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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George

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Speaker 1: Dory with you what doctor Raymond Moody. His new book

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Speaker 1: is called God Is Bigger Than the Bible, which we're

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Speaker 1: going to get into in a big way. But he

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Speaker 1: was telling us a story at years ago how he

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Speaker 1: was a little despondent and Raymond, I'll let you pick

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Speaker 1: it up from there. What happened? Yeah, well, basically that

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Speaker 1: was kind of midlife. I think I was forty five

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Speaker 1: was living in a new house, and I was just

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Speaker 1: really really despondent. Maybe you know, when you're in a

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Speaker 1: state like that, you're not exactly sure what though picture

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Speaker 1: of is. But I was, you know, I was just

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Speaker 1: so despondent and hopeless, and yet had learned from my

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Speaker 1: people with near death experiences who would attempted suicide, but

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Speaker 1: that's not the way, you know, It's that's not gonna work.

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Speaker 1: So there I was just not knowing what to do.

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Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, Georgia, I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: people with these mystical experiences and so on, and encounters

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Speaker 1: with God. They will They'll tell you, no matter how

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Speaker 1: articulate they are, as you know, they say, I just

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Speaker 1: can't describe it to you. Well that's the wall I'm

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Speaker 1: up against. But all of a sudden, it was like

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Speaker 1: something from above descended on me and the most compassion

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Speaker 1: that you cannot even begin to describe, even if I mean,

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Speaker 1: just just beyond words of complete compassion and understanding. Nothing

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Speaker 1: like the judgmental God that you know, some of the

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Speaker 1: fun the mentalist and all want to portray to us,

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Speaker 1: but just complete understanding. And and you know, I used

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Speaker 1: to kind of I heard when religious people would talk

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Speaker 1: a you know, how ridiculous to me? It worked? It worked, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's right. It would you know that that it would

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Speaker 1: somehow flatter God or you know, trying to get on

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Speaker 1: God's good signed by by kneeling to flatter him or whatever.

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Speaker 1: But I realized what that was all about is you

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Speaker 1: can't stand up. I mean I was sitting in a

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Speaker 1: It's kind of like George Richie once told me said,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of like he said, like you're being fiercely hypnotized.

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Speaker 1: And so it was just and yet there was a

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Speaker 1: in the positive sense, was that even though it was

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Speaker 1: a somebody who knew everything about me, every detail, and

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Speaker 1: yet still there's a mysteriousness to it, the impenetrability. But

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Speaker 1: what you see makes you realize that you it's a

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Speaker 1: kind of experience where you would happily be in that

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Speaker 1: state forever and the presence of God. But the kind

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Speaker 1: of idea came was I had had this vision of

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Speaker 1: injured ina a a blonde mop of you know that

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Speaker 1: I saw this woman's blonde mop of hair from behind

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Speaker 1: there's always troubles in life. That and I just the

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Speaker 1: So that sort of shaped me up and I got

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Speaker 1: months later, in September of nineteen ninety two, I was

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Speaker 1: in Florida, in Saint Petersburg, and I was given a

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Speaker 1: though she were declaiming to a throng of a thousand.

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Speaker 1: She said, well, I've been divorced for two years. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if anybody's going to be sexually interested in

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Speaker 1: me again. And you know, I mean immediately picked up

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Speaker 1: was just this bond and with Cheryl, whom you've met,

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Speaker 1: so that was you know, that was my experience with God.

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Speaker 1: And you know, and subsequently have felt the presence of

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Speaker 1: God on a number of times. And and God brought

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Speaker 1: us too wonderful kids who we adopted at birth. Carter

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Speaker 1: namely ours. You know, the blessing in an adoption always

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Speaker 1: comes from you know, we are so blessed to have

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Speaker 1: those two kids. Yeah, good for you. Well, there's something there.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I've I've concluded that there's too much order

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Speaker 1: in this universe, whatever this is. And you know, we

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Speaker 1: we call God under Divine Creator, intelligent design. We we

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Speaker 1: we created that name God to explain something we really

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Speaker 1: can't explain. But there's something to it. There's no question.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely. You know, if somebody asked me, George, do

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Speaker 1: you believe that God is this? I say no, absolutely not,

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Speaker 1: Because number one, I, Raymond Moody, am a limited human being.

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Speaker 1: Any belief that I could formulate about God would be

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Speaker 1: bound to be off base in one direction or another. Plus,

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Speaker 1: if you think of that sentence, do you believe that

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Speaker 1: God exists? The emphasis of the sentence falls on the

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Speaker 1: word exist, not on God. Well, I was a professor

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Speaker 1: of logic, as you know, and it would take me

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Speaker 1: what the concept of existence means, and even show you

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Speaker 1: how to form you'd like to symbolize it. But when

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Speaker 1: it comes to God, you know that breaks out of

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Speaker 1: you know, God through relationships. What I say is I

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Speaker 1: the way, please, folks listening to this, I am not

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Speaker 1: religious and I'm not trying to convert you to anything.

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Speaker 1: But you're spiritually I guess. But I would say you're

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Speaker 1: And I just part of the reason I wrote this

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Speaker 1: flak from people with who are fundamentalists and think they

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Speaker 1: know and that they have a monopoly on God. Well,

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Speaker 1: what I want to say in this book is that

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Speaker 1: what confuses me. Though. The God of the Bible was

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Speaker 1: But you know, it's like that kind of vindictiveness you

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Speaker 1: believer's religious ideology, right, the one the people they always

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Speaker 1: assigned to hell are always the people who don't, all

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Speaker 1: along with their particular religious preachings. So but you know,

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Speaker 1: And that's what I've sort of come to see in

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Speaker 1: with near death experiences. That's what they say. Well, add

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Speaker 1: There is so much incredible wonderment. I mean, the body

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Speaker 1: in reincarnation or not, Raymond, I'll get into that in

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Speaker 1: the second with you. But but you know, there's this

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Speaker 1: and we've got this creator. I mean, the whole plan

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Speaker 1: I've known some of the experts like Ian Stevenson, and

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Speaker 1: like my little Native American daughter, George. Back in nineteen

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Speaker 1: So I had so I had this daydream. I mean

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Speaker 1: and Carol said. Carolyn said, yeah, you know, when you die,

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Speaker 1: think that? And she pointed inwardly, like behind her eyes,

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