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Speaker 1: All right, Third hour, Clay and Buck kicks off. Now,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. We've got some breaking

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Speaker 1: news for you. Not unexpected, but still breaking news. A

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Speaker 1: federal judge, John Cogan Hour. That's a tough one. I

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Speaker 1: don't know how to say that one to Clay. John

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Speaker 1: c Coogan Hour has let me see, sided with the states.

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Speaker 1: Basically here, the Trump executive order on birthright citizenship has

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Speaker 1: now been hit by a judge who says it is unconstant,

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Speaker 1: blatantly unconstitutional. You've also had twenty two states, along with

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Speaker 1: activist groups, filing lawsuits to halt the so called order.

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Speaker 1: They say it violates the Fourteenth Amendment. This is US

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Speaker 1: District Court for the Western District of Washington State. This

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Speaker 1: this has been blocked, so temporarily blocked. This was to

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Speaker 1: be expected. And here here's where this is going to go.

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Speaker 1: It's going to go to the Supreme Court. I think

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Speaker 1: we all know that that's the plan. Just to be clear,

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Speaker 1: there's no surprise here. This is actually the process. You know,

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Speaker 1: this is what they were hoping the response would be,

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. Clay, It's it's going to be interesting.

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Speaker 1: I think that a lot of people who disagree with

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Speaker 1: Court and that this is all it's all so clear.

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Speaker 2: Well, here's the problem.

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Speaker 1: The amendment in question, when you look at it, has

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Speaker 1: what is effectively a redundancy with the subject to the

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Speaker 1: to explain why they would add the subject. Because if

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Speaker 1: it's just you're born here, you're good, why do you

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Speaker 1: because you're all right. If you're on us soil, of

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Speaker 1: course you're subject to US jurisdiction at some level. That

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Speaker 1: I think becomes very much more complicated and a closer

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Speaker 3: So quick synopsis of where we are. Trump says birthright

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Speaker 3: citizenship is not in the Constitution. This judge, without reading

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Speaker 3: And the reason that language is in there is because

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Speaker 3: when Abraham Lincoln ended slavery with the Emancipation Proclamation, slaves

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Speaker 3: And I don't know how this is going to play out.

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Speaker 3: I'm fascinated by it. Let me give you a hypothetical, Buck,

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Speaker 1: And keep in mind that this is where this becomes

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Speaker 1: Remember that there are thou and thousands of birth tourism

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Speaker 1: Yes, And a big part of this is, you know,

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Speaker 1: Today welcome back into Clay and Buck. As we know,

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Speaker 1: the breaking news from this hour is that a federal

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Speaker 1: on birthright citizenship. Very important issue. Going to take a

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Speaker 1: We've got a lot of calls lighting us up. Also

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Speaker 1: your calls now, Mike in Augusta, Georgia, you have an

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I was in the Navy station in Athens, Greece.

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Speaker 7: American and British. I don't know if the British one

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Speaker 3: So now your wife is British, right, so that would

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Speaker 1: Well, this is what I was gonna say, is that

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Speaker 1: You know, people can have dual citizenship. We know this,

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Speaker 1: so that to me it has there. So does your

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Speaker 3: I assume so, Yeah, certainly, certainly they could get an

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so yeah, Mike, that all makes sense. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Cool. We wanted to hear about the experience. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much, Susan in Ohio.

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Speaker 2: This is interesting. Go ahead, Susan.

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Speaker 1: Hello, Yes, you were you were a PI and you

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Speaker 7: Go for it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I've been licenses here in Ohile for over thirty years.

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Speaker 1: That's another part of it that's very important that I

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Speaker 1: tourism thing is so worthwhile. I said, you know, yeah,

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Speaker 2: You then it's kind of the the wow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this is this is the the ways

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Speaker 5: Susan, Well, yeah, I did. I get over eighty cases.

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Speaker 5: And with the insurance company in China was really upset

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Speaker 3: because it goes to when I say they're going to

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Speaker 3: you couldn't just decide when you were, as the caller

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Speaker 2: This is what I meant about the planes.

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Speaker 1: You can't you can't get here eight and a half

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Speaker 3: The idea of intentionally coming for a short period of

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Speaker 3: was not technologically feasible when the fourteenth Amendment was passed.

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Speaker 1: And I can tell you from my time at the

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Speaker 1: border and with border patrol, with this asylum, with these

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Speaker 1: so called they're fake asylum cases by those people are

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Speaker 1: eighty ninety percent of them or total scams on the

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Speaker 1: asylum system. But a lot of pregnant, eight months pregnant

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Speaker 1: women showing up at the US Mexico border from all

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Speaker 1: over the world for obvious reasons.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And look, the other thing here to say is

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Speaker 3: we create the incentive. You can't get upset at people

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Speaker 3: for taking advantage of the incentive that you created. It

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Speaker 3: is acting as a magnet. We say this, but it's important.

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Speaker 3: There are two reasons why people come here. One is

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Speaker 3: our economy is better than any in the world because

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Speaker 3: of its historical embrace of capitalism, and whatever salary you

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Speaker 3: make here is way more than the average person could

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Speaker 3: make in Venezuela. So the poor person here is living

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Speaker 3: far better than the poor person in almost any country

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Speaker 3: in the world. So economic incentive is real. And I've

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Speaker 3: always said this, Buck, a lot of you out there

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Speaker 3: listening to us right now. If you could make ten

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Speaker 3: x your salary, if you went to Mexico, a lot

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Speaker 3: of you would go to Mexico. And if you could

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Speaker 3: make ten x your salary, if you went to Canada,

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Speaker 3: a lot of you would go to Canada. Economics, a

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Speaker 3: lot of you will change states if you can make

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Speaker 3: more money, If you can make twenty percent more money. Right,

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Speaker 3: economic concentives are real.

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Speaker 1: But part of this, also, Clay, is that. And I

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Speaker 1: think there's been an awakening among the American people, and

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Speaker 1: particularly even on the right, about this. What makes America Americas,

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Speaker 1: the American people, It's not just this piece of land,

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Speaker 1: It's not just an economic zone. It is we, the

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Speaker 1: culch people. There is something about americanness, how we do things,

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Speaker 1: what our culture is, the way that we operate, our history,

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Speaker 1: are ties to each other and to this country. All

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Speaker 1: of that, I mean, it is an incredibly complicated and

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Speaker 1: incredibly powerful thing. And to cheapen it by just saying,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's a free for all. Anyone could show up.

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Speaker 1: Everyone who gets here is the same everyone. You know,

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Speaker 1: obey our laws, don't obey our laws. Have a kid

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Speaker 1: here for a week, and then go back to China

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Speaker 1: and then come back later with the whole family and

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Speaker 1: say you're Americans too. People are tired of this, and

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Speaker 1: they also recognize that if it continues, this will not

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Speaker 1: be America, this will be another country. Some smaller European

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Speaker 1: countries have figured this out the hard way. You know,

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Speaker 1: is Sweden really Sweden if it imports a million refugees

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Speaker 1: and a half a million Syrian refugees and they don't

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Speaker 1: learn the language, they don't share the culture. That well,

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Speaker 1: Sweden's only got ten million people. And the refugees are

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Speaker 1: having a much larger, faster, you know, much faster family

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Speaker 1: growth than the natives are. Guess what, your country starts

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Speaker 1: to be a different place. And people feel that here

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Speaker 1: in America and they're tired of it.

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Speaker 3: Correct, And that is one is the draw economically. The

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Speaker 3: second one is the one that you can control. Now

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Speaker 3: you can put more security at the border and try

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Speaker 3: to restrict in gressigress all those things which we're doing.

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Speaker 3: Second one, though, is birthright citizenship, and it needs to be,

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Speaker 3: in my opinion, removed. Now we'll see what the Supreme

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Speaker 3: Court is going to say. I know a lot of

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Speaker 3: federal district courts are going to disagree with me, some

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Speaker 3: circuit courts are going to agree, some are going to disagree.

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Speaker 3: But ultimately it's going to come down to the nine

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Speaker 3: men and women sitting on the Supreme Court. Here's the

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Speaker 3: question my wife asked, which is a good one? Your

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Speaker 3: point is, I think a very solid one, Buck, because

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Speaker 3: what it ultimately leads to is, if what you argued

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Speaker 3: isn't true, why do countries have borders at all? Why

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Speaker 3: do we have countries? I mean, why not just one

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Speaker 3: big map and people can just go anywhere they want

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Speaker 3: in the world. What is the significance of a border?

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Speaker 3: What is the significance of a cultural choice of a

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Speaker 3: country we have?

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Speaker 1: And this gets to some This gets to some some

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Speaker 1: deep uh foundational issues of patriotism along with nationality. You know,

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Speaker 1: this came up recently with the and it was on

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Speaker 1: the right that this debate was happening with h one

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Speaker 1: B visas and how it is largely now abused and

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Speaker 1: a scam, and some people didn't seem to know that,

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Speaker 1: and they got very mouthy about H one B visas

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Speaker 1: publicly without understanding what was really going on. But you know,

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Speaker 1: when you look at core issues of patriotism, if if

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Speaker 1: this country was invaded by a foreign doesn't matter what

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Speaker 1: the country is. If this country, if someone you know

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Speaker 1: landed on the shores of New Jersey or California, all

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Speaker 1: of us listening, the guys who were listening were military

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Speaker 1: age and gay gals who were listening. If they wanted to,

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Speaker 1: we would. We would be called upon to fight, to

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Speaker 1: possibly die for this place.

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Speaker 2: That's something that.

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Speaker 1: I don't think people take can do account enough on

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Speaker 1: some of this illegal immigration stuff like oh, just show up,

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Speaker 1: get your stuff, don't learn the language. You can kind

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Speaker 1: of do whatever you want, come and go as you please.

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Speaker 1: We talking about the birth poorism scam. The people who

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Speaker 1: are here love this place and would die for it.

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Speaker 1: That's not something that should just be cast aside as

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Speaker 1: some kind of a joke because people want to feel

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Speaker 1: good about themselves, because they want to pretend that the

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Speaker 1: whole world could come here and it's still America.

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Speaker 3: I would love to and just also ask the question

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Speaker 3: of people who are making this argument, in addition to

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Speaker 3: why do we have borders in the first place, what

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Speaker 3: number would be too many? They're seven billion people in

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Speaker 3: the world, I've making for years because there's never to them.

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Speaker 1: Clay, we take a million legal legal, and.

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Speaker 2: Quite honestly, I think that number is probably too high.

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Speaker 2: That's a whole other conversation.

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Speaker 1: Now for for Biden, we've been paying, we've been and

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Speaker 1: by the way, that's not you know, people go home,

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Speaker 1: but don't you Yeah, lots of immigrant friends.

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Speaker 2: That's not the point.

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Speaker 1: The point is we're setting policies for the future to

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Speaker 1: def find what our future is a country will be,

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Speaker 1: and we have to have lines. We've got, you know,

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Speaker 1: the same reason to have a country, You've gotta draw

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Speaker 1: lines on a map.

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Speaker 2: There's something arbitrary about all of this.

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Speaker 1: But if we don't hold it together and believe in it,

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Speaker 1: then it all falls apart.

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Speaker 3: And there are seven billion people in the world. How

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Speaker 3: many of those people wish they were American? Four billion,

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Speaker 3: five billion?

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Speaker 1: You see here, here's how many of them wish they

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Speaker 1: could be in America and get the benefits of being here, Bill,

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Speaker 1: you know, a couple billion. I mean, you would many

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Speaker 1: of them really want How many of them want to

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Speaker 1: believe in the Constitution? How many of them want to

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Speaker 1: learn our language? By the way, I think Trump should

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Speaker 1: push for the national language to be English. I don't

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Speaker 1: know why this isn't higher on the radar. And this

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Speaker 1: is something I'm sensitive to in South Florida. By the way,

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Speaker 1: everybody who's here should be able to speak English. There

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Speaker 1: should not be ballots in New York City in fifteen

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Speaker 1: different languages or twenty different languages.

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Speaker 2: Coreact, I mean what I would vote in New York.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't even know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: There's there's like Sanskrit, there's tie. I mean, there's stuff

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Speaker 1: that you're like, well, what is this that the national

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Speaker 1: language should be English? You know, we we are a

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Speaker 1: country that is held together by ideals and ideals and

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Speaker 1: our laws and our history. That shouldn't be something that

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Speaker 1: we're shy about, uh and and promoting for the next generation.

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Speaker 1: But Clay showing up here and getting welfare and talking

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Speaker 1: about how like racist or Baptist country is all the time?

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Speaker 2: Is that is that a I mean, even.

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Speaker 1: Coming here illegally. That makes you an American. Now now

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Speaker 1: you're an American. That also, I don't I don't sign

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Speaker 1: on to that.

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Speaker 3: My argument is that for legal immigration, we should be

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Speaker 3: benefiting off of the people that we're bringing in. That is,

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Speaker 3: we bring in highly skilled legal immigrants who have a

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Speaker 3: lot of assets that they can provide to the country.

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Speaker 3: You know, the analogy I've used is like, you know,

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Speaker 3: these should be the lottery picks, the NBA draft lottery

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Speaker 3: picks of the rest of the world. That's nice, should be.

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Speaker 1: Less than I don't know, I mean, I could get

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Speaker 1: the real that the reality is that and I agree

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Speaker 1: with you on that sentiment. That's less than ten percent

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Speaker 1: of the legal migrants we're taking in. It's almost all

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Speaker 1: chain migration via people who are we're just talking about

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Speaker 1: they sponsor the rest of the family. And you know,

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Speaker 1: Canada has done this thing for the last ten years

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Speaker 1: of oh we're going to have a points based system.

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Speaker 1: Everything has gotten worse economically in Canada while that's been

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Speaker 1: going on.

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Speaker 2: Everything has gotten worse.

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Speaker 3: Also, they just didn't justin. Trudeau just announced like three

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Speaker 3: weeks ago that they were ending all immigration.

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Speaker 1: After cutting back the immigration dramatically because it's a massive

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Speaker 1: failure because the points system, you know, it doesn't work

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Speaker 1: the way they have it set up, it doesn't work.

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Speaker 3: But I would just love I mean, I would love

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Speaker 3: to hear somebody say, what's the right number? Should we

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Speaker 3: have four hundred million new Americans? Like, what is the number?

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Speaker 3: Where Elizabeth Warren would say, oh, no, no, no, that's

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Speaker 3: too many. Well why what is the why that you're

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Speaker 2: Too much?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's too much the American at least. But I

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Speaker 3: this going forward. Let's get a couple of these. Well,

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Speaker 3: we wanted to play a funny audio clip for you,

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Speaker 3: and this is from the protesters. These are the people

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Speaker 3: we saw.

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Speaker 1: We saw, we saw we were walking past this protest.

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Speaker 1: It's very sad protest in DC.

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Speaker 2: Here in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 4: At the People's March. We're here with everyone in America

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Speaker 4: who thinks Joe Scarborough and Nika Prazinski still have good

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Speaker 4: on screen chemistry. This diverse crowd covers a full spectrum

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Speaker 4: of literally every stage of depression.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Look at you guys. You guys are mobilized.

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Speaker 2: Yeah you don't energize. Yeah you're three months too late.

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Speaker 4: Thik.

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Speaker 8: If you could just say your name and all your

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Speaker 8: genders from the camera, please, Oh, I'll turn.

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Speaker 3: Let's face it.

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Speaker 8: No one here is going to smash any windows at

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Speaker 8: the Capitol that would require upper body strain. But you know,

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Speaker 8: eight years ago in fairness, there were like millions of

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Speaker 8: people here. Do you think the numbers of women participating

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Speaker 8: in this march have dropped off because they don't see

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Speaker 8: themselves represented by the Democrats or because you kept talking

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Speaker 8: to them about Deadpool? Seriously, looking around here, I've never

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Speaker 8: seen so many people worried about losing the right to

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Speaker 8: contraceptives for purely hypothetical reasons.

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Speaker 3: I mean, let's triumph the insert insult comic dog and

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Speaker 3: the buck. The fact that they're now making fun of

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Speaker 3: left wingers is just another sign of the culture shift.

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Speaker 3: Do you remember people walking around in mainstream media ripping

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Speaker 3: eight years.

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Speaker 2: Ago, Let's make comedians funny again.

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