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Speaker 1: Welcome to text Stuff, a production from I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland dum an, executive producer with I Heart Radio

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Speaker 1: and I love all things tech, and today it is

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Speaker 1: time for another tech stuff classic. Hey, today's topic it

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Speaker 1: comes all the way from June tenth, two thousand thirteen. Wow,

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Speaker 1: I was doing this all the way back then. This

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Speaker 1: episode is called get your Podcast to Mars, a classic

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Speaker 1: Arnold Schwarzenegger reference. I hope you guys enjoy this classic episode.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of an interesting approach to this, this question

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Speaker 1: of when are we going to actually set up a

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Speaker 1: colony somewhere other than on Earth, like like on Mars,

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Speaker 1: and and proposing the fact that it can be not

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Speaker 1: only commercial but um but but driven specifically by public interest. Really,

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Speaker 1: I mean because because here's the thing is that we

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Speaker 1: know that the government officials that are behind things like

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Speaker 1: like the space industry in the United States anyway, are

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Speaker 1: facing increasingly difficult battles in in funding. Right. It's it's

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Speaker 1: getting harder and harder to get a working budget. And

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Speaker 1: some of that is due to problems that the various

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Speaker 1: space industries have had, like specifically what NASA has undergone.

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Speaker 1: Where NASA has had a few projects more than a few,

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Speaker 1: maybe that some would argue we're improperly governed so that

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Speaker 1: they ballooned out of control as far as budget and

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Speaker 1: timeline is considered. And part partially this was also due

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Speaker 1: to just uh, everyone at the outset and not understanding

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Speaker 1: exactly what kinds of issues we're going to crop up

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Speaker 1: along the way and what kinds of problems would need

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Speaker 1: to be solved right, And sometimes it was because you know,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't necessarily mismanaged meant, but it might be that

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Speaker 1: you know, you have very limited uh people you can

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Speaker 1: go to when you need something like an enormous rocket,

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Speaker 1: and if the only company that provides the enormous rockets

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Speaker 1: that you need says, you know, I know that originally

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Speaker 1: we were going to say that this was going to

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Speaker 1: be you know, twenty million dollars per rocket, but in reality,

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Speaker 1: it looks like it's gonna be closer to sixty five.

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Speaker 1: You don't have a lot of options left. So it's

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Speaker 1: I don't mean to suggest that NASA was really bad

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Speaker 1: at managing this stuff. It's just that a lot of

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Speaker 1: a several high profile projects uh, ended up getting bogged

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Speaker 1: down in lots of problems, which and when you're and

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Speaker 1: when you're publicly funded, it's a lot more difficult to

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Speaker 1: handle that This this private funding could hypothetically, you know,

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Speaker 1: eat around some of those problems. You can sell more

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Speaker 1: advertising space or something like that. Right, I mean that

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Speaker 1: that's the whole idea behind the privatization of space exploration, right,

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Speaker 1: is that they aren't uh, they aren't tied down to

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Speaker 1: things like tax income. They don't have to go and

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Speaker 1: petition they have to answer to the taxpayers. That's right,

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Speaker 1: that's right, But they do have to raise those funds

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Speaker 1: some other way because it's not like they just magically

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Speaker 1: have access to those giant rockets. Uh. The supposed funds

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Speaker 1: that MARS one will require to to establish the settlement

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Speaker 1: is six billion dollars. That sounds so low, phenomenally low

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Speaker 1: to me low, but but it's it's starting with just

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Speaker 1: four settlers UM to to expand hypothetically by teams of

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Speaker 1: Is the is the current proposed date, which is sen

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Speaker 1: years away. Yeah, I mean this isn't that. This is

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Speaker 1: already blowing my mind and we haven't even gotten into

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Speaker 1: what the actual challenges are yet. But just the challenge

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Speaker 1: of getting the materials together, testing your your various acecraft,

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Speaker 1: because obviously you're going to have to design special spacecraft

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Speaker 1: for these teams to go up in. And they're they're

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Speaker 1: talking right now to Elon Musk and the other kids

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Speaker 1: are at SpaceX using their their stuff, which would be important.

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Speaker 1: It just seems it seems really ambitious. That's not to

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Speaker 1: I think being ambitious is fantastic. It's just one of

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Speaker 1: those things where, having seen how difficult it is to

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Speaker 1: about what this whole project is. So, yeah, the first

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Speaker 1: they are planning a space launch rather than an Earth

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Speaker 1: launch of the actual crew module. Interesting, I did not

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Speaker 1: read that part, So you'll have to tell me more

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Speaker 1: about that if if you get a chance. Sure. But

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Speaker 1: but let's let's let's back all of this back up

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Speaker 1: the So, So, the Mars one project is run by

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Speaker 1: the Bye Bye Bye two parts. It's a there's a

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Speaker 1: company called Interplanetary Media Group, which makes me laugh so hard.

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Speaker 1: That they are interplanetary serving all your needs, whether you

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Speaker 1: wonder whether whether the nice people who founded it are

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Speaker 1: on Earth or somewhere else. There is a fair, fair request.

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Speaker 1: Are you from here? This? This is these but both

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Speaker 1: And uh Landstorp says that he got the idea when

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Speaker 1: there's money there, There's there's money in in televising these

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Speaker 1: epic human events. And you also uncovered that that Interplanetary

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Speaker 1: Media Group the you know, they're they're different organizations that

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Speaker 1: The Mars One Foundation owns almost of the shares in

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Speaker 1: Interplanetary Media Group. The nonprofit arm of mars One owns

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Speaker 1: nine of the for profit arm of the project. It's

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Speaker 1: it's also the sole supervisor of the for profit sectors

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Speaker 1: arm of this. Now, now this is just it raises

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Speaker 1: So you've got this interesting approach to trying to UH

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Speaker 1: that's that's a that's a huge number. And the application

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Speaker 1: it is not good right right, This is it starts

429
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Speaker 1: to form chemicals that can be very harmful and lead

430
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 1: us to a not living situation, right right. Another another

431
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 1: thing in there is gypsum um, which is a self

432
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 1: fate mineral that forms again in the presence of water.

433
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 1: This one isn't actually toxic the way that the silicates are,

434
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,640
Speaker 1: but on the level of coal dust, it is an eye,

435
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: skin and respiratory irritant. So obviously we would have to

436
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 1: take precautions against getting dust into any habitable area in

437
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,199
Speaker 1: the Mars one colony, right, and again because of the

438
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 1: atmosphere situation, you're not going to have people running around

439
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: barefoot in Mars dust. However, it's a very sticky substance really,

440
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 1: and especially due to um. Just like static electricity, it's

441
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 1: going to wind up getting on all the equipment, and

442
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,640
Speaker 1: you know, even if you get it out through through

443
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 1: air filters in some kind of airlock, it's going to

444
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: get into the system. Yeah, it's it's one of those

445
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 1: things where you really have to design like a clean

446
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,439
Speaker 1: room type environment, the same kind of environments that we

447
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 1: think of for creating a microprocessor, where even a single

448
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 1: mode of dust can ruin a sheet of silicon wafers

449
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: when you're trying to design a microprocessor, because you're designing

450
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: things on such a tiny scale, we would need that

451
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 1: level of precision to to ensure the health of anyone

452
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 1: who's living on one of these colonies. Not to say

453
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 1: that it can't be done, but when you are doing

454
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: this on another planet that's already essentially trying to kill you,

455
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 1: it's a really really tough challenge. The way the way

456
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: I've seen it described is that it's it's not so

457
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: much that at a certain point you're never going to

458
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: get the dirt completely separated from your living quarters, and

459
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: so it's almost more of a of a what can

460
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 1: we do to combat the issues that this dirt is

461
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,919
Speaker 1: going to cause some sort of chemical scrubbing process that

462
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,479
Speaker 1: could make this inert, or or some kind of medical

463
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 1: process that we can act upon the poor human people

464
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 1: that are out there, because it's gonna it's gonna affect

465
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: them right right. So to to even think that we

466
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 1: could create a system that would negate all of this

467
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: is probably being a little too Yeah, you definitely can't

468
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: just assume that, because as soon as you do, then

469
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: tragedy can strike. Well, there are there are other challenges

470
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: as well, not just the the dirt. Uh, there's also

471
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 1: radiation before you even get to the planet. Yeah, because

472
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: a journey to Mars is going to take months. Uh,

473
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: And that's because the way that Mars and Earth line up,

474
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: you have to figure out the right trajectory to launch

475
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: to get from Earth or even Earth's orbit uh to

476
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,479
Speaker 1: Mars in the most efficient way possible. So when the

477
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 1: Curiosity Rover launched, you know, if you were to look

478
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,439
Speaker 1: at the closest point between well, when Earth and Mars

479
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 1: were closest together, if you were somehow able to maintain

480
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 1: that distance and go from Earth to Mars, it might

481
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,360
Speaker 1: take you a few months to get there. It took

482
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: Curiosity Rover more than I think, like eight months to

483
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: get there. You might say, well, why is that so, Well,

484
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: it's because we can't get those plants to stop moving.

485
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: They keep going around the Sun, which continues moving through

486
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: space itself. So what you're talking about is trying to

487
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: create a trajectory that's the most efficient pathway between Earth

488
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: and Mars, and it's not. It's not a straight line

489
00:28:58,360 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: because you can't do that. You know, you would end

490
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: up being where Mars was as opposed to where it is.

491
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: So you have to actually aim for where Mars will be.

492
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: So uh, that means that your journey through space is

493
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: going to take some time. If if you did it

494
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: at the speed of light, it would be fourteen minutes.

495
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: We cannot go at the speed of flames, right, so

496
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: it's going to take months to get there. And the

497
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: downside of that is that space has got some nasty

498
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: radiation out there that can kill you. UM. So if

499
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: the vacuum is not bad enough, the radiation is worse.

500
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: So on Earth we are very well protected. In fact,

501
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why we have life as we

502
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: know it here on our planet is because our plan

503
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: has two things really helping us out. One is the

504
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: atmosphere we have, which helps uh reduce the energy of

505
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: any incoming radiation radiation particles coming into the atmosphere slow

506
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: stuff down. Um. And then also we have a magnetosphere,

507
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: this magnetic field that surrounds the Earth that repels a

508
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: lot of the part icles that otherwise we bombard. Our planet,

509
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: Mars has a very thin atmosphere, so it's not as protective,

510
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: and there is no magnetosphere around Mars, so there's not

511
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: that magnetic you know, you can think of it almost

512
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: like a force field. There's not that magnetic field that

513
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: can repel UH charged particles as they come blasting through space.

514
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: And what's blasting them, you might ask, the Sun? Yeah, yep,

515
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: the same thing that allows life to happen here on

516
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: Earth in almost every case. I mean, there's some some

517
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 1: life out there that that relies on chemicals that are

518
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: produced geothermically, but but most of it is through some

519
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: kind of root of photosynthesis and then eating things that

520
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: are synthesized exactly. So, so the Sun is responsible for

521
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: most of the life on Earth. It's also blasting out

522
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: stuff that would kill you. Now you might think, well,

523
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: what about people who are aboard the space station. How

524
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: do they managed to stay up there so long? It's

525
00:30:56,040 --> 00:31:00,719
Speaker 1: a lot of shielding still inside the magnetic field of Earth, correct,

526
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: And they're really only supposed to stay there for a

527
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: few months at a time. One of one of the

528
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: many reasons why they try to bring people back pretty right, Yeah,

529
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: Another one being things like bone loss, which you can

530
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: suffer if you're out in space for a very long time.

531
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: So if you are going out from Earth to Mars,

532
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: you will eventually get to a point where you leave

533
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: Earth's magnetic field while you're in space, and once you

534
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: leave that magnetic field, the only protection you have from

535
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: this kind of radiation, this cosmic radiation, and and it's

536
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: radiation in a different form than you know it's not

537
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: energy beams coming at you like you would think in

538
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: a in a nineteen fifties science fiction film, Cosmic radiation

539
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: or cosmic rays are not made up of light energy.

540
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: They're actually, uh, the nuclei of adams like hydrogen and

541
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: helium and iron that are traveling at hundreds of thousands

542
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: of kilometers per second through space that have been ejected

543
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: by the Sun. And that the in fact, the University

544
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: of Rochester Medical Center published study not that long ago

545
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: that suggested that long exposure to this kind of radiation

546
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: could increase the risk of developing diseases like Alzheimer's. So uh,

547
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: you know, exposure to this stuff is dangerous. So you

548
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: would have to build some form of shielding within your

549
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: spacecraft so that if there were a period of cosmic radiation,

550
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: the soun's not constantly blasting this stuff out. It comes

551
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: in these little short bursts. But if you were to

552
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: detect such a burst coming at the spacecraft, you would

553
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: have to be able to go into a specially shielded

554
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: compartment and waited out and it usually lasts a few hours.

555
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: So actually Mars one is fairly cavalier and saying like

556
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be a very comfortable, uh situation. You'd be

557
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: kind of in cramped quarters for about you know, three

558
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: or four hours, but you know after it's over you

559
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: can come out. It sounds to me like you would

560
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: be essentially need to knee with the rather astronauts waiting

561
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: for waiting for this to finish well, but you're clearly

562
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: best friends with them, after going through six years of

563
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: extensive training on a desert base on Earth, hoping no

564
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: one TV cameras in your face because no one has

565
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: cracks under that kind of pressure, right, and hoping that

566
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: no one had the chili uh space meal just before

567
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: space Chili be bad boy. Chris would have appreciated that

568
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: joke like crazy. Well, anyway, that's something you would really

569
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: have to deal with on that whole trip from Earth

570
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: to Mars. Once you get the Mars, the thin atmosphere

571
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: does provide some protection. Uh. In fact, I saw one

572
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: report that suggested that, uh, information from the Curiosity Rover

573
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: may show that it's non lethal levels of radiation. Now

574
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: that does not mean that there, Yeah, you might it

575
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: might still increase your chances of developing certain diseases, but

576
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: they it wouldn't outright kill you like there there are

577
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: radiation levels that are so high as to give you

578
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: radiation poisoning, which can be lethal. But the point that

579
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: he was making was that, Uh, they aren't that intense

580
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: on Mars. Now we're recording this, uh, just a day

581
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: before NASA releases more information about the radiation on Mars.

582
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: So um, by the time you hear this, we'll know

583
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 1: more about it. But Lauren and I don't because we

584
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: can't see into the future. So how does Mars one

585
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: expect to deal with the radiation problem on Mars? Well,

586
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 1: even with it being non lethal, obviously, you don't want

587
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: to have prolonged exposure to radiation if you can help it.

588
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: So they are proposing that they will have the habitat

589
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: part of Mars one, the place where the astronauts actually look,

590
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 1: or the colonists if you prefer, where they actually live

591
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: and do most of their work, will be underground, so

592
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: somehow using rovers, They're gonna launch rovers up before they launch,

593
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,399
Speaker 1: launching the ast along with some supplies and stuff like that.

594
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: In fact, I think the first the first scheduled landing

595
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 1: would be just supplies and then the second round would

596
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: have the first rover landing. The rovers are going to

597
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: be these robotic rovers just kind of similar to the

598
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: Curiosity rover, but with a lot of construction ability, like

599
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: they'd obviously have to be able to dig out and

600
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 1: put up structures for the incoming colonists, the idea being

601
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: that the colonists would arrive in mostly everything would already

602
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: be together, right right, Yeah, the I've got a little

603
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: bit about the timeline. Do you want me to do? Well, yeah, sure,

604
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: we can talk a little bit about that and then

605
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: jump back to to this. But well, let me just

606
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 1: say this. The whole idea about putting it underground is

607
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: that by being under the soil, which we've already established

608
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 1: is dangerous stuff all on its own, the soil would

609
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:47,240
Speaker 1: protect against radiation, and that, according to mars One's frequently

610
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: asked question section five meters of soil, which is about

611
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 1: sixteen point four feet of soil, would be equivalent to

612
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: being protected by Earth's atmosphere and magnetosphere. So they would

613
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: dig down five meters and put the habitats that far down,

614
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: so almost two stories if you're thinking of of of

615
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: a building, so you would imagine that you would arrive

616
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: on Mars and then go down two flights of stairs

617
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: and be two flights of stairs underground and that's where

618
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 1: you live, right. The The idea is to UM UH

619
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: launch supply mission starting in UM, rover launch in UM.

620
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: Also starting at that point a live video stream from

621
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 1: from the rover which features heavily and their their stated

622
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: timelines on their website, which cracks me up just a

623
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: little bit. And I understand that this is how they're

624
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: making money, but it's you know, they're very like scientific

625
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: advancement live on video and I don't know, it's yeah,

626
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,479
Speaker 1: it tickles me, UM, but we're in that post real

627
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: world world. I guess, yeah, it's it's it's true, UM,

628
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: but so so yeah, so and then would be when

629
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,919
Speaker 1: UM the settlement come opponents would launch, including two living

630
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: units to life support units, more supplies, and a second

631
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: rover along with the second video stream UM. And then

632
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 1: yeah and then again, like we said, two, would be

633
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: when the astronauts would launch and would be when they

634
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 1: would land along with UM five other cargo missions that year. Yeah,

635
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: and the rover's job would be to actually collect those uh,

636
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: those bits that landed and and to put them together

637
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: and to assemble them. And that blows my mind. The

638
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: idea of a rover capable of of maneuvering, lifting, carrying,

639
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: and positioning these various modular components so that it can

640
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 1: make a living space for the astronauts by the time

641
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: they land. That's a really sophisticated job for a robot

642
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: to do, and and robotics is advancing continually. But they're

643
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: talking about launching this critter in that's five years off, right,

644
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: which means that they have to start building it right now.

645
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: They can't. You know, these things take a lot of

646
00:37:58,200 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: time because they have to build it, they have to

647
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: test it, make sure that's going to withstand the pressures

648
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 1: that needs to that can actually fulfill the functions of

649
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: the mission before they even try and launch one. And

650
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: of course it's also all assumes that all these launches

651
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: are successful, and I mean, we certainly hope they are,

652
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: but there's never a guarantee, you know, you can never

653
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: be completely certain. Hey, guys, I just gotta visit from

654
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 1: this dude named Marvin from Mars. He tells me that

655
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: it's time for us to take another quick break. Going

656
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: back to the Mars. One fact about the radiation, they

657
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 1: also had this helpful section which I found, uh again

658
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: a little scary as described in an f A. A

659
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: And University study from two thousand five, a journey to

660
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: Mars and back. In the case of the study, toting

661
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 1: five thirty six days in space would mean the chance

662
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: of contracting cancer for twenty to thirty four year olds

663
00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: is around ten for men and seventeen for women. But

664
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Speaker 1: let's compare it to people who do not go to

665
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 1: Mars in their lifetimes. Men have a twelve percent chance

666
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: of contracting prostate cancer and women have twelve point five

667
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: percent chance of developing breast cancer. Or let's compare it

668
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: to people who smoke. Smoking more than five cigarettes a

669
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 1: day leads to a twenty four point six percent chance

670
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: of developing lung cancer for men in their lifetimes and

671
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: eighteen point five percent for women. And finally, our restaurants

672
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 1: will spend only two d to two hundred twenty days

673
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: in space compared to five dred thirty six days the

674
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 1: study mentioned above. Staying in Mars will result in much

675
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: lower doses even if astronauts stay for a long time.

676
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 1: These these numbers, um, I didn't actually you would put

677
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: them in our notes and I and I kind of

678
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: glanced over them, and I was just noticing that that's

679
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: not necessarily those numbers don't all align because we're talking

680
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: about very specific different types of cancer caused by very

681
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 1: specific carcinogens. Not to mention different time frames. They talk

682
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 1: about how the lifetime versus over a lifetime, over groups,

683
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 1: and exactly a lifetime versus a trip. This is this

684
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 1: is a tiny bit misleading and us shockingly unscientific for

685
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: a group of people who are looking to go to Mars. Right. Yeah,

686
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 1: when you say a tiny bit misleading, you are understating

687
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: it drastically. I think I think you're giving them too

688
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: much credit because uh, and I mean I want us

689
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: to have colonies on the Moon and on Mars. Trust me,

690
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: I think that that would be amazing and a phenomenal

691
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 1: human achievement. But I don't think we get there by

692
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: downplaying some of the very real, uh challenges we face

693
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: and and the way that this is worded. I agree

694
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 1: with you, Lauren, this is not a very realistic like

695
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 1: It's it's like smoke and mirrors, right because you're you're saying, hey, look,

696
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: you might have if you were in going on the space,

697
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:54,320
Speaker 1: you might have a increase in developing cancer, but throughout

698
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: your life you could have this much. Yeah, but we're

699
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: not talking about throughout my life. I'm talking about like

700
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: on a road trip. Especially when you're when you're recruiting

701
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: essentially civilians to to get into this project. It's it's

702
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: so hazardously misleading to put those kind of numbers in

703
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: someone's head without without That's that's irresponsible, is what that is.

704
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: When you're encouraging eighteen year olds to hop on YouTube

705
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: and apply for your program, and you're and you're basically

706
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: lying to them with statistics, right, if you're not lying,

707
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: I just went off a little bit. You should you

708
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: should know. That's why I included that. Actually what Jonathan does,

709
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: That's why I included those bullets because when I read that,

710
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,280
Speaker 1: I had that same reaction that you did. But I also,

711
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: you know, took a bed drole before I came in here,

712
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: so I'm a little calmer. I wasn't doing it to

713
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 1: calm myself down. I was doing it because you know,

714
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 1: spring has sprung. So then let's talk about life support systems. Now.

715
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 1: I was very curious to hear how they were going

716
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: to provide life support on Mars. We've already ascertained the

717
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:58,760
Speaker 1: soil is dangerous the atmosphere is not breathable, so how

718
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: do you know? And and getting supplies from Earth while

719
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 1: that will continue to be a thing, obviously that's not

720
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: going to be steady and constant. You're going to get

721
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 1: them in in bursts of deliveries, and that you have

722
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: to have some sort of self sustaining element or else.

723
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 1: You know what happens when it's trail. Yeah, eventually everyone

724
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 1: gets dysentery, I mean exact space dysentery. Well, what happened? Well,

725
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 1: my my question is if let's say that, let's say

726
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: that you don't have that self sustaining element there, what

727
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: happens when the television show gets canceled? Right? That's that's

728
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: a sobering thought. I mean, the main way that they're

729
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: going to be able to to keep people alive on

730
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: another planet is through television. If people stop watching television,

731
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: people die, right, I mean that's that's what the story is.

732
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: So you have to have some sort of self sustaining

733
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:57,720
Speaker 1: element to it or else you're you are consigning people

734
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: to potential Nielsen raying actual death. Yeah, like your show died,

735
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,240
Speaker 1: so did your astronauts. I mean that's terrible. But anyway,

736
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: so so they have addressed that, and this is how

737
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: they plan on providing life support. So what are the

738
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: things they're gonna need. They're gonna need water. Well, they're

739
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: saying what they're going to do is they're going to

740
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: extract water from the soil of Mars, this incredibly toxic stuff.

741
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,959
Speaker 1: What but but we know that Mars has some ice

742
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 1: on it. So the plan is to dig up huge

743
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: amounts of dirt and put them through what are called extractors,

744
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 1: and the extractors will heat up the soil which will

745
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: melt the ice and turn it into water vapor. It

746
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: will then condense and filter that water vapor to turn

747
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,760
Speaker 1: it back into water, and then that water will become

748
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: the drinking water and also the water for the food

749
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: supply aboard the colony, aboard at the colony. And uh,

750
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,479
Speaker 1: the idea would that be the each life support unit

751
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 1: on Mars would have about fifteen hundred liters of reserve

752
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: water as well as the water that's actually providing to

753
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 1: the colony on a daily basis. So that way, by

754
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: the way, they're getting power through solar panels, that's the

755
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 1: ideas they used. They use solar panel arrays to generate

756
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 1: the electricity they need to run the colony. But in

757
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 1: the case of something like a dust storm where you

758
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: don't get that solar power, you have to be able

759
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,280
Speaker 1: to still have access to the things that keep us alive,

760
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: or you've just again killed the entire colony. Um. So

761
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 1: that that's how they're answering water. So what about oxygen, Well, oxygen,

762
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: they're also looking at the water. Some of that water

763
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 1: that they will be gathering from the soil, they expect

764
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: to pour some energy into it to break those molecular bonds.

765
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: And we know that the two elements that make up

766
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: water are hydrogen and oxygen. So you release hydrogen and

767
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: you release oxygen. The oxygen you then mixed with nitrogen,

768
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: which you can get from Mars's atmosphere, and make it

769
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: into an a breathable mix, because pure oxygen would not

770
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: be a good idea. You want to mix that. You know,

771
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: here on Earth, the most abundant element in our atmosphere

772
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 1: is nitrogen. You know some people don't know that, but

773
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,879
Speaker 1: that's in fact what their oxygen will mostly get you high, yeah,

774
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: and then dead, and then you can be quickly. You

775
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 1: can't have you can have pure oxygen um for long anyway,

776
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: so you would mix that together to make the habitats

777
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: air supply, not the band. And then finally, where are

778
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 1: they getting the food? And some of the foods coming

779
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 1: from earth, they will be supplied, but that's supposed to

780
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: be the kind of like emergency rations. The plan is

781
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 1: to use hydroponic farms. Hydroponic farms don't require soil to

782
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 1: grow plants and to use special L e d s

783
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: to provide the specific wavelengths of light that those plants

784
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: will need to grow. So these L e d s

785
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,720
Speaker 1: will because their l eds they draw a very little power,

786
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: so you don't have to worry about running a whole

787
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: lot of power to them. They will then give that

788
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 1: that specific wavelength that will give the plants the best

789
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,919
Speaker 1: chance to really grow in that environment. And since since

790
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 1: are doing this all of us underground, you don't have

791
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 1: the cheery Martian sunshine to fuel year right exactly, So

792
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: so you've got you're you're doing it all inside. That

793
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: will also mean that uh, it will use the carbon

794
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 1: dioxide generated not just by people breathing, but they'll they'll

795
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: also harvest CEO two from the Martian atmosphere as well,

796
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: and so that that's how they answer the water, oxygen,

797
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: and food problems. Uh. That sounds like an oversimplification to

798
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 1: me too. Again, this is talking about systems that we

799
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: have not we've proven that they can work on Earth,

800
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: but you know, to expect that all of these are

801
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: going to work on Mars is Uh? I mean, I

802
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: would hope they would, but it seems very optimistic, especially

803
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: within the timeline that they have granted, because we haven't

804
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: run those kind of tests to make sure that we

805
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: could do this kind of thing. Um. And I would

806
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 1: kind of want us to have a pretty confident, a

807
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: pretty high confidence level that would work before one of

808
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: the astronauts especially, I would want that thing. And they're talking,

809
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: they're talking about the habitats and the rooms that they're

810
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 1: in being in these inflated uh essentially kind of like

811
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 1: inflated tents in a way, which makes me wonder how

812
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: they design it so it can withstand the fact that

813
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:16,760
Speaker 1: there are nearly seventeen feet of soil on top of them.

814
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: All the all the all the artistic drawings of the

815
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: plans that I've seen have have been these these kind

816
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,479
Speaker 1: of bubbly little capsules above ground, So I'm not sure.

817
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: And those are supposed to be the other like the

818
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: life support units and stuff, the habitats, the places where

819
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: people live are supposed to be undergrad Like if you

820
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 1: look at some of those pictures, you'll see like there

821
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: there seems to be something that looks like a tunnel

822
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: that's built up a dome of Earth. But yeah, I

823
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: don't don't. I mean, you know, and it's I think

824
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: it's fair to to kind of put this stuff out there,

825
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 1: and especially since they're doing this essentially for profit, um

826
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: and it's all proprietary, keeping everything a little bit close

827
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: to the chest, I could, I could Devil's advocate being

828
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: part of their strategy. Well. And also there's there's an

829
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: argument that you can make saying that, uh, we're working

830
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: on the initial stuff now, we have the plan to

831
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: launch by and between now and then, we may have

832
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: developed the technology necessary to meet those challenges. I guess

833
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:25,320
Speaker 1: this is the same sort of thing questions, right, Yeah,

834
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 1: and it's you know, it's it's my My biggest question honestly,

835
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 1: is is why we're looking at Mars and not say

836
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 1: the Moon. I have that same question. I think, well,

837
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: I mean, you've got some other problems with the Moon.

838
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: We have a one six the Earth's gravity, for example,

839
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: which again raises the question of things like bone loss,

840
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: and the Moon is actually more toxic than Mars from

841
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 1: what I understand, um, in terms of the particulate, but

842
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 1: it's also much closer, very much closer. If things go wrong,

843
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:54,280
Speaker 1: it's a lot easier to correct. Right, Yeah, you're talking,

844
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:58,240
Speaker 1: and we've already got the the experience of sending people

845
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: there and coming back, you know, unless you believe the

846
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: whole uh television studio thing. Right, Uh, but but that

847
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: did go to the Moon in nineteen but the nine

848
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: one was on a movie studio, was on general ben

849
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: that that aside. I mean, it's my just just the

850
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,959
Speaker 1: ethical questions that this raises of whether or not it's

851
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: it's okay too to a send people to Mars on

852
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 1: one way ticket at all, and and be to do

853
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: it under the restrictions of reality TV. I mean, I

854
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: think that anyone who's watched any amount of reality TV

855
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 1: has seen that group breakdown that inevitably happens and is

856
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: and is partially, um I think, fabricated for the enjoyment

857
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 1: or or at least schadenfreud of the viewers, wherein the

858
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 1: group just hates each other and and someone gets kind

859
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: of Lord of the Flies out, and I just don't don't.

860
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: I don't want to watch that. I I don't. I mean,

861
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like, of course I want to watch

862
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: people go to Mars. That's terrific and fascinating, agast science

863
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,399
Speaker 1: and you know, human exploration. But at the same time,

864
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: I don't. I almost don't. Thinking about it makes me

865
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: nervous for those poor people. And and you know it

866
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 1: very well. Maybe that the popular approach that they're taking this,

867
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: this kind of you know, pop culture approach almost to

868
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: the whole project, uh is is really not indicative of

869
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,800
Speaker 1: how serious they are. So a lot of the judgments

870
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: that we're making a lot of the conclusions we are drawing,

871
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:32,240
Speaker 1: it's all based off of the approach we have seen.

872
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 1: So maybe a lot of our concerns that we've raised

873
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: are already well in hand. We you know, I'll go

874
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 1: ahead and say that might be the case. Uh And

875
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 1: it very well could be. That's just our ignorance of

876
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: the project that leads us to the skepticism. But anytime

877
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: you're talking about people's lives, I think critical thought and

878
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 1: skepticism need to be employed. Uh. Fully so that you

879
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: can make sure that these people know what they're doing.

880
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 1: They are very serious about it actually succeeding. They're going

881
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,720
Speaker 1: to take every precaution they can to protect the people's

882
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: lives who are involved, that the mental and physical health

883
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: of these people, and and to to if all of

884
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: that pans out, then the potential scientific information we can

885
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: get from this experiment would be amazing and the phenomenal.

886
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: So I want it to work. I really do, and

887
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 1: and like, like, like we say a lot here and

888
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 1: also on our other podcasts, forward thinking, even if it

889
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: doesn't work out, even just trying could lead to terrific

890
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 1: scientific advancement, right anyway. I mean, the space industry alone

891
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: has created so many different advancements in technology and just

892
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:41,839
Speaker 1: things that we rely on on a daily basis now

893
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,800
Speaker 1: that that could very well be the case. So I

894
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 1: really do hope that that all of this is completely

895
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 1: on the up and up, and that uh, that we

896
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: see some real results from this. I just you know,

897
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 1: it's just enough warning flags for me to be really

898
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,359
Speaker 1: cautious about it. But the same time, like, if there's

899
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: no risk, there's no reward, right, And I know that

900
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 1: there are a lot of astronauts out there who have

901
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 1: done some phenomenal things that a lot of us would

902
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 1: consider crazy. I mean it was just people from from

903
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: the test pilots who are first testing the the spacecraft

904
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 1: before it ever left the Earth's atmosphere, to the people

905
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: who have gone up to the Moon or the International

906
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 1: Space Station. These are phenomenal feats and they require a

907
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 1: great deal of courage and determination, more than I possess, frankly,

908
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:36,879
Speaker 1: and I think it would be a shame to not

909
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 1: encourage that. I definitely want to see that kind of

910
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: indomitable spirit continue. I just want to make sure that

911
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: it's the right the right project. And uh, and so

912
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 1: far I'm not fully convinced with Mars one. That's not

913
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,359
Speaker 1: to say that maybe in the year maybe I'm I'll

914
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 1: be I'll say, oh, they've met every single one of

915
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 1: my concerns with lying colors, and now I'm totally on board.

916
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 1: It could happen, but but we'll have to We'll have

917
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,359
Speaker 1: to see what what develops. Yeah, what would it take

918
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,839
Speaker 1: for you to go to Mars, Lauren? I would not

919
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 1: go to Mars. I mean I just nope, especially under restraints.

920
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: I mean, to be fair, I also would not appear

921
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 1: on a reality TV show, period, So that attitude news

922
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,720
Speaker 1: for you, Lauren. There are cameras everywhere I've been doing

923
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: the House Stuff Works reality TV show we launch any

924
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: minute now. It's mostly us sitting at our desks with

925
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 1: headphones on, not paying attention to each other. It's not

926
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 1: terribly exciting, I'll admit, but you know, I've got high hopes.

927
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: Occasionally see things like Josh talks to Chuck, I expected

928
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 1: to drive a lot of views. I also would not

929
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: go to Mars unless there was a return ticket, in

930
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 1: which case maybe, but but with no return ticket, not

931
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: all my stuff is here. So that alone makes it

932
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: really hard for me to say goodbye. Yeah, that's that.

933
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 1: I'm a materialist. But come on, you know my Xbox

934
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: is over here. I worked hard on that gamer score.

935
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,760
Speaker 1: And that does it for that classic episode of tech Stuff.

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Speaker 1: Hope you guys enjoyed it. If you have any suggestions

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Speaker 1: for topics for future episodes of tech Stuff, reach out

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