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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Maybe this is a little bit of a basic question.

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Speaker 2: And this is coming from, by the way, my history

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Speaker 2: as I grew up very Catholic, so all this is

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Speaker 2: very the dark side the light side, very very real

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Speaker 2: to me. This isn't just like talking about ghost to me.

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Speaker 2: This has really tappened into something that I think once

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Speaker 2: you commit to some sort of faith, you get tested

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Speaker 2: a lot, and you can see the darkness in the light.

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Speaker 2: It is not it is not philosophical. It is palpable.

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Speaker 2: It is real. You can tell. And I'm wondering though

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Speaker 2: for you when it comes to I don't know, people

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Speaker 2: are houses. How do you know if it's something more

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Speaker 2: than black mold or a mental disorder with the person,

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Speaker 2: and that there is something what crosses it over into

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Speaker 2: the demonic for you?

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's a great question, actually, because I do I

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Speaker 3: do depend on someone to do an investigation or when

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Speaker 3: I have, you know, more time, you know, locally, I

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Speaker 3: would do the investigation myself. But usually when after they've

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Speaker 3: when they've called me, many of them have already had

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Speaker 3: an investigating team and they've said, you know, call father,

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Speaker 3: Bob uh So. Uh, yeah, so they would kind of see.

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Speaker 3: I've had cases where it's been mold, it's been you know,

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Speaker 3: some of from faulty wiring or whatever. It gives people

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Speaker 3: like the sensation of being watched and stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: And now I've heard that. I've heard that about phone

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Speaker 2: lines and electric lines near houses too, where when they

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Speaker 2: do investigations of things like Poultergeist, that a lot of

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Speaker 2: it can be traced to the fact that living that

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Speaker 2: close to major, big sub station electrical power can really

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Speaker 2: mess with people's minds.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm. Absolutely. And the thing is, when you go

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Speaker 3: into an invest to investigate, you know, you're going in

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Speaker 3: to try and see if there's a rational explanation first.

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Speaker 3: So that's what you want to You want to go

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Speaker 3: in with an objective mind and not already saying Okay,

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Speaker 3: there's something definitely here. You want to kind of rule

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Speaker 3: out other things first.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: And and that's why we ask a lot of questions

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Speaker 3: of the clients that we have from uh, questions like

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Speaker 3: their utilities and things that.

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Speaker 1: Maybe old may be.

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Speaker 3: Faulty, also to medical issues, psychological issues, uh, family issues,

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Speaker 3: all those can just send in different directions. A case

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Speaker 3: you know. Now when this activity where there's you know,

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Speaker 3: people are seeing shadow figures, or you know, things are

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Speaker 3: making noise that's out of the ordinary, or people are

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Speaker 3: seeing uh, you know whatever, or things you know fly

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Speaker 3: off the shelf, off the table and things like that,

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Speaker 3: then that's what they Then.

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Speaker 2: There's uh, it's more than electrical Listen. I don't want

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Speaker 2: this to sound funny, but I almost think people are

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Speaker 2: misusing you in a way. If I knew that you

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Speaker 2: had this sort of service before ever bought a house,

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Speaker 2: I think I want you to check it out and

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Speaker 2: say this one's this is clear of like Indian burial

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Speaker 2: ground energy. You've got a nice new construction here, not

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Speaker 2: near power lines. You're you don't have any mold. That's

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Speaker 2: what I would use you for on the and then

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Speaker 2: get the blessing on the house of sage that thing

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Speaker 2: before before it ever goes up. Now, I always hear

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Speaker 2: about that too, burning stage. Does that work to get

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Speaker 2: rid of spirits? Does that? Is that an actual thing?

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Speaker 3: No, it does not not at all. Uh. And this

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Speaker 3: is not a slam on stage at all. But those

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Speaker 3: Native Americans, they did not. They use sage as a

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Speaker 3: positive kind of thing to create a positive.

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Speaker 2: They did not use that conductor right warfare. They use

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Speaker 2: it as a conductor for energy, not to ward off things.

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Speaker 3: I will both conducted. I'm not sure, but it was

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Speaker 3: not meant to be in spiritual warfare itself. It was

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Speaker 3: meant to create something positive. And I've talked to real

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Speaker 3: shaman and they've concurred with that that that's not what

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Speaker 3: But people today they don't know that, you know, uh,

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Speaker 3: and so they they hear about stage, so they bring

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Speaker 3: that in and and and that's fine for whatever aromatherapy

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Speaker 3: or creating something positive in there. But when I go

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Speaker 3: use Franken Sense and Mrror because if there is something

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Speaker 3: them because their biblical sense, you know, from the three Magi,

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Speaker 3: and then I've had shaman go in like if there's

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Speaker 3: and then they would do something positive, you know, with

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Speaker 3: the sage and all of that. But that's only after

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Speaker 3: the warfare, you know, during the spiritual warfare in the.

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Speaker 2: House, give me how real this is? So I guess

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Speaker 2: it's my understanding that that most priests probably go through

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Speaker 2: a whole forty to fifty sixty year career and do

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Speaker 2: not see a demonic case. Why do you think you

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Speaker 2: were drawn to this work? And are demons real?

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Speaker 1: Demons?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely?

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Speaker 2: Are?

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Speaker 3: You know, our our faith believes that. I mean, if

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Speaker 3: you believe in God, then then the opposite is true too,

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Speaker 3: And we do believe that they are demonic forces. How

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Speaker 3: they manifest in different ways. It can go anything from

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Speaker 3: simple temptation that everybody you know that we've you know,

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Speaker 3: brought up with, you know, to be strong in time

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Speaker 3: with temptation, to the rare demonic possession or subjugation. And

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Speaker 3: so I think that what I did feel a calling

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Speaker 3: with the spiritual warfare because it was something that was

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Speaker 3: taught to me at a young age. This cousin was

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Speaker 3: a priest and every Tuesday he would come to my grandparents'

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Speaker 3: house next door, and we were twelve four hours. And

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Speaker 3: that's really what gave me the impetus and the desire

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Speaker 3: to follow a calling to the priesthood. But I also

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Speaker 3: believed very heavily in the supernatural, so visions apparitions, miracles,

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Speaker 3: those are all paranormal. They're about the normal. So it

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Speaker 3: wasn't a leap of faith to believe that houses could

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Speaker 3: have a haunting spirit in there. So, but I didn't

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Speaker 3: do anything with it growing up until I became a

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Speaker 3: pastor and I started working actually with Ryan Muell on

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Speaker 3: paranormal state that I get actually more busy with doing

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Speaker 3: that that because of the exposure. Now my name was

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Speaker 3: out there. People were calling from around the state and

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Speaker 3: in Massachusetts for help, and so I started a group.

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Speaker 2: To help with that.

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Speaker 3: So there was an investigative part of the group, and

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Speaker 3: then there was myself and my assistant that went in

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Speaker 3: and did the warfare and the cleansing of the house.

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Speaker 2: You're saying warfare, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It's fighting. It's what you do is if there is

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Speaker 3: something malevolent in there, then what I do is with

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Speaker 3: religious provocation and tried to drive it out using what

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Speaker 3: we have in you know, in our Catholic Christian tradition, incense,

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Speaker 3: holy water, relics, the ritual, the prayers, using scripture.

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Speaker 2: And how much of your faith is reliant on those

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Speaker 2: things like the scripture, the words, Because this is what

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking. So while you're talking, I'm getting I'm getting

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Speaker 2: the chills, I'm getting a little nervous, and I'm thinking, yes,

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Speaker 2: I have my faith, but boy, can something that feels

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Speaker 2: dark make it a little shaky at times? Which I mean,

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Speaker 2: I'm just being honest. Yeah, I don't know that. It's

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Speaker 2: like you're walking into a You're walking into a very

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Speaker 2: dark place. How do you know that you are cloaked

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Speaker 2: with the armor that you need from God?

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Speaker 3: Because I spend time beforehand, even days, to prepare spiritually

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Speaker 3: for that just in case. And I think that anybody

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Speaker 3: who does any kind of investigation, paranormal investigation, I've tried

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Speaker 3: to teach people that in workshops in the past. You know,

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Speaker 3: when you're going into a place, you don't know what

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Speaker 3: you're walking into, so you needed you need to be

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Speaker 3: guarded and you need to be uh protected with a

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Speaker 3: wilderness and we don't know what we're walking into. You know,

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Speaker 3: it might seem people are saying it's spirit activity, but

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Speaker 3: it could be something malevolent rather than something you know

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Speaker 3: of a soul. You know that's that's.

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Speaker 2: There, the spirit, So this is not at all symbolic

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Speaker 2: this is real.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean, but everything is safe. Like like

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Speaker 3: what my bishop asked me, the former bishop that I

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Speaker 3: first approached with all of this, He said, an't you afraid?

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Speaker 3: And I said, oddly enough, no, why not? Real real

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Speaker 3: people scare me more than these things, These things I know.

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Speaker 2: How to get rid of. Well, then I get hang

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Speaker 2: out at a Walmart on at the beginning of a

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Speaker 2: Black Friday sale. That's pretty scary. Oh yeah, those are

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Speaker 2: possessed people.

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Speaker 1: You see.

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Speaker 2: These people fight for Stanley cups. There's something wrong with them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah. But but if faith is an important

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Speaker 3: even if I didn't have the other things, the Holy

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Speaker 3: water and the crucifix and all of that, if I

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Speaker 3: to conquer that, you know, and face that. That's what

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Speaker 3: in with that assuredness that number one that you're going

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Speaker 3: there on a mission from God. Really, you know, you're

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Speaker 3: going there as ministry and the faith that I profess

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Speaker 3: him when I offer Holy masks every day, you know,

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Speaker 3: I take that with me and so and I know

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Speaker 3: it's weird. I don't know, I don't know why it

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Speaker 3: doesn't scare me to go in to places like that.

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Speaker 3: But I don't take that for granted. Like I don't

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Speaker 3: go looking for problems. I wouldn't go into a place

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Speaker 3: just because, you know, supposedly gonna an evil spirit in there.

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Speaker 3: If I wasn't asked to go in to help. And

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Speaker 3: you know, I don't take chances like that, I wouldn't

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Speaker 3: go to Annabelle and start taunting her.

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Speaker 2: Even though yeah, yeah, we got to talk about that.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna get into that in the next half hour.

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Speaker 2: I was thinking, as you were talking, could you talk

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Speaker 2: about haunted places, places that that that have that thing?

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Speaker 2: Does that stick to a person or the haunted place

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Speaker 2: or is the place just its own thing and people

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Speaker 2: experience the haunting.

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Speaker 3: It could be It could be several different things. It

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Speaker 3: could either be that there's something there connected to the land,

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Speaker 3: was brought in somehow by somebody.

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Speaker 2: Like an antique or something well that's that.

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Speaker 3: Could be like that, or or if someone just you know,

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Speaker 3: and things like that and different conjuring things they could

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Speaker 3: have brought something in that was that negative. Well, people

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Speaker 3: can have bad you know, like even if you ever

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Speaker 3: run into someone who's so means so bad, it's like

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Speaker 3: something they've got something attached to them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I talk about this a lot from

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Speaker 2: playing in a band. Uh Yeah, when when you're out

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Speaker 2: at night and you meet people towards the beginning of

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Speaker 2: the night, they're okay, but then once the alcohol starts flowing,

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Speaker 2: there's a certain part of the night where I don't

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Speaker 2: even want to play pass like midnight anymore because just

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Speaker 2: bad things start happening. That's probably why they call alcohol spirits.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe where you see that just the other that

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Speaker 2: like the darkness, you're like, whoa that flipped a switch.

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