WEBVTT - What's the What with Fish Fraud? 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.120 Make your business official with Google in Squarespace. When you 0:00:03.200 --> 0:00:06.160 create a custom domain and a beautiful business website with 0:00:06.200 --> 0:00:09.320 squares Space, you'll receive a free year of business email 0:00:09.360 --> 0:00:12.360 and professional tools from Google. It's the simplest way to 0:00:12.400 --> 0:00:16.560 look professional online. Visit squarespace dot com slash Google to 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:19.439 start your free trial. Use the offer code works for 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:23.320 ten percent off your first purchase Google in Squarespace, Make 0:00:23.320 --> 0:00:27.760 it professional, make it beautiful. Welcome to you Stuff you 0:00:27.800 --> 0:00:36.559 should know from House Stuff Works dot com. Hey, and 0:00:36.640 --> 0:00:40.000 welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, and there's Charles W. 0:00:40.280 --> 0:00:45.480 Chuck Bryant. Jerry's to my right, different things rolling, feeling easy. 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:49.240 So this is stuff you should know. Is that really Jerry? 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:57.000 Is it just Jerry the tooth pitch? Perhaps we've been 0:00:57.040 --> 0:01:00.200 fooled this entire time. Yeah, I mean we'd have to 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:05.360 do a DNA test. Yeah, Jerry, I just made air quotes. Everybody. 0:01:05.400 --> 0:01:08.440 Can we swab your mouth? I don't think we need to. 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:13.120 Her spittle is all over this room. She spits on 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:15.640 our microphones when we leave every day. I'm sure she does. 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:19.800 I'm I'm I've never been more convinced of anything. Some 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:24.319 days more than others. Uh, well that was just a 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:30.080 little um play acting what I was all in. Jerry's 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:32.800 a real human, She's not a toothfish. Oh yeah, but 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:36.760 you know it is a toothfish. Yeah, Chilean sea baths. 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:40.960 That's right, dude, We've just said that before. I feel 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:44.039 like it was in our in the TV show, so 0:01:44.160 --> 0:01:48.840 like eight people at least heard it there. Let's see 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:53.760 my wife your wife. Uh yeah, we for sure mentioned 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:55.240 it on the TV show, and I feel like we've 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:58.560 mentioned it before. Everyone knows by now, right, because that's 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:01.080 one of those facts that people love to drop at 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:05.040 a dinner party, like, you know, what you're eating filth. Yeah, 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:08.120 it's delicious. Toothfish is what it is, right, you know. Yeah. 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:10.760 But I mean if you like, if a fish is 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:16.959 called a Patagonian toothfish, but it tastes delicious, then yeah, 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:20.760 there's really nothing wrong with just changing the name. Correct. 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:24.880 The problem comes when people get ripped off for paying 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:29.680 more money for something they think it is and it's not. 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:33.760 That is actually a surprisingly enormous problem. It turns out 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:37.360 it's called fish fraud or seafood fraud, and there's some 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:42.000 sheriff's on the case they're called Oceana. Yeah, they did it. 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:46.200 They're a great organization, by the way, they're fantastic. They 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:50.000 did this big study led by a woman named Kimberly 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:55.040 Warner in two thousand twelve because they knew everyone knew. 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:59.440 This was no surprise that fish are purposefully mislabeled a 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:04.200 lot of time by well, it kind of depends. I mean, 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:08.799 it could be the fisher person, could be the the 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:11.560 company they worked for. It could be the people that 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:14.520 they sell to at the docks. The wholesalers could be distributors, 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:18.280 could be the restaurant tour or the grocer you're buying 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:22.400 from who goes in the back and like stifles a 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:26.440 chuckle because you just paid seven times what that fish 0:03:26.480 --> 0:03:28.880 is actually worth. I'm sure because you thought it was 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:31.760 something else. It does happen, and so, like you said, 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:35.000 everybody knows that this happened. But the Oceanic study was 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:39.880 it revealed just how widespread it was. Yeah, they reported 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:45.040 that thirty three of the fish it tested in restaurants 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:48.840 and markets were not the fish that the fish said 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:52.560 they were. It gets worse. That's everything they tested that 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:55.080 was the average, right, So fully a third of all 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:59.360 the samples, and they took like forty seven samples six 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:02.360 hundred and many five restaurants in twenty one states across 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:07.960 the US. They found that in sushi restaurants in particular, 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:14.920 of the food samples were mislabeled. And if so, you say, well, 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:20.440 seventy of sushi restaurants do that, no of samples of 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:25.120 the sushi restaurants sold mislabeled fish. Yeah, like this isn't mackerel, 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:30.760 it's ground beef. And a hundred percent d percent of 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:34.880 the hammachi, the yellowtail was mislabeled. None of it was 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:40.479 actual yellowtail. Yeah. And and just at the sushi restaurants 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:44.839 of Hamachi. Yeah, there's a new place in Atlanta that 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:48.240 I went to recently called Brush that I already mentioned this. 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:53.440 It's the best sushi I've ever had, probably really and 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:56.839 it's the most expensive shi I've ever had. It's called Brush. Yeah, 0:04:57.120 --> 0:05:01.240 where is it? It's Indicator and it's Um. I mean 0:05:01.279 --> 0:05:04.200 it's really pricey. Have you been to Umi? No, stuff, 0:05:04.240 --> 0:05:07.000 haven't been there, but like i'd be interested in compared 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:09.560 to a single piece piece of sushi, is like twelve 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:14.400 bucks shushi for twelve sushi sandwich, you know, yeah, that's 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:17.719 pretty expensive sushi. Yeah, I mean we dropped for a 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:21.360 regular meal, way too much money. But do you do 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:24.200 when you walked out of there? This is the key. 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:26.360 When you walked out of there, did you feel like 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:30.120 you've gotten your money's worth? Or were you slightly irritated? No? 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:34.039 It was It was the most delicious sushi I've ever had. Cool. 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:36.000 But here's the deal. They just give you. I thought 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:38.760 we talked about this. Maybe not. Um, you're confusing me 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:42.800 with you know how their podcast. I love to over 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:46.440 soy my sushi. That's how I like it. But they 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:48.599 don't let you do that. They don't give you soy 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:51.080 sauce at all. And then if you ask for it, 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:55.960 that good. You know my views on untaste, Yeah, do 0:05:56.040 --> 0:05:59.720 it the way I say it. But if you request it, 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:03.120 they of you a little spray bottle. Yeah, well they're 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:05.480 serious about this tiny little spray bottle that you can 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:07.279 spray on your things. So did you like get a 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:10.839 cramp spraying soy sauce on your sushi? Now? I unscrewed it, 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:15.080 and that's awesome. If I'm gonna pay two meal, sure 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:16.560 you should be able to eat it. How you want 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:19.600 to agree exactly. That's like, I don't know, come to 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:21.600 a hot dog place, You're like, you really don't think 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:23.479 you should put catchup on there, So we're not going 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:26.240 to have that for you, you know, or they give 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:32.000 you a spray bottle cap, it won't work, that's right. Okay, 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:34.799 Well there's some good free buzz marketing for brush. Frankly, 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:37.279 I think you owe us both the gift card. Yeah, 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:40.400 but my point was you would think, I mean, there 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:43.680 was sabby was real. You would think that they that 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:45.640 everything was as advertised when you go to a place 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:49.080 at night. The problem is man like they they may 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:51.400 believe that, and the people that they bought it from 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:54.279 me believe it. But I was reading the Sociana study 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:59.200 and they said that I think even more than of 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:02.240 the seafood imported in the US, and that's most of 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:04.400 the seafoo in the US we impored, almost all of 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:08.919 it is processed at sea. And I was like, what 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:11.680 does that mean? And I went and searched like fish 0:07:11.680 --> 0:07:14.720 processing at sea and I found this little twelve minute 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:19.800 like Yankee documentary about I think like Norwegian or some 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:25.000 sort of Scandinavian fisher trawler where they start with the 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:29.320 catch had this huge net of I'm not quite sure 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:31.640 what kind of fish it was, but it was generally 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:35.360 the same fish that they Um, what you didn't know 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:37.400 what kind of fishing right right, Well, yeah, I'm getting 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:39.520 to that. Then they dump them into like the fish 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:43.480 sorting things, right, and then um they start processing. They 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:47.480 have a whole processing plant in the on the boat 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:50.320 and so by the time these guys get to shore, 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:54.560 these things are already frozen salid in blocks, packaged in boxes. 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:59.040 So the people who are buying it have to be like, okay, 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:01.160 it says on the box this, I'm gonna trust you 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:04.320 and give me, you know, half a million or a 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:07.480 million pounds of that stuff because I'm a distributor. And 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:10.960 if they're not truthful, the fisher people aren't truth truthful, 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:14.720 then the whole supply line is infected and it's very 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:18.000 tough to verify it is. Oceania has a map, by 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:20.080 the way, if you go to their website and just 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:23.040 google fish fraud, Oceania will go right there and they 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:26.000 have a handy map where you can click on It's 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:29.400 all over the world. It's not a US problem, um, 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:31.880 and you can click on like Atlanta, Georgia. If that's 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:34.560 where you live. And UM, what it will do is 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:38.280 linked to UH. If they don't have a study from 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:40.880 the restaurants, they will link to other source studies that 0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:43.360 they've compiled. And there was one that was a link 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:46.800 to UH. A j c our newspaper or had an 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:49.640 article about local restaurants. You know, when they do that, 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:53.280 the expose a thing. We visited eight local restaurants and 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:55.160 they called them out by name. And of course these 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:58.080 people are like, well, I didn't know, right, So and 0:08:58.160 --> 0:08:59.920 I think a lot of times they probably don't know. 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:03.680 I would guess probably most of the time they don't know. Yeah, 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:06.600 you know. I mean if you're if you're dealing directly 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:09.839 with the end consumer, you're you're probably going to be 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:14.600 less likely to engage in fraud, you know. Um. And 0:09:14.640 --> 0:09:16.719 if this sounds like a not big deal, it's a 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:24.080 billion dollar fraud and dollars annually in fraud in America alone, Yeah, 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:27.520 just the United States, that's right. So yeah. And the 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:30.679 reason why it's billion dollars worth of frauds because we 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:34.080 spend a lot of money on seafood. Um it's good 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:37.480 for you, right, And the number one driver of UM 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:43.880 seafood fraud is misrepresenting something like as an expensive fish 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:46.640 in replacing it with the fish that's much less expensive. 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:50.520 That's kind of the nuts and bolts of it. The 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:55.240 FDA does have laws, UM, but the problem is one 0:09:55.240 --> 0:09:58.520 of the problem UH problems is less than one percent 0:09:58.600 --> 0:10:01.000 of all the fish that are in ordered, less than 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:06.040 one percent is inspected. So one percent of all the 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:11.319 fish and seafood eaten in the United States is inspective 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:14.280 for fraud. Yeah, and the and the ten percent. I mean, 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:16.320 one of the tips that will give you later I'll 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:19.720 go ahead and say now is if you buy local 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:23.520 fish or fish from the United States, you're far less 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:29.000 likely to be UH frauded defrauded. Yeah, defrauded, which doesn't 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:32.600 make any sense. It's like inflammable. Yeah. But um, apparently 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:36.000 the US internally does a pretty good job keeping it 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:39.080 above board, but like you said, comes from elsewhere. So 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:41.560 that's the issue and one of the reasons why it's 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:45.280 um that the f D a UM or the United 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:48.360 States I should say, the federal government has so much 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:54.000 trouble inspecting imported fish because there's apparently like ninety agents 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:58.120 tasked with inspecting all of the fish that's imported into 0:10:58.160 --> 0:11:02.040 the United States. Yeah, inty people. Yeah, and that's the 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:06.120 National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration in o a A. Noah 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:10.120 is who's doing this. Um, And they're doing the best 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:14.160 they can. But ninety people. It's like I didn't get 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:18.120 numbers on how much of our imported fishes, but I 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:21.960 mean it's got to be like foounds maybe maybe even 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:24.400 up to a thousand, so there's no way they can 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:28.479 test all these fish. Um. What's funny in the Sociana 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:32.319 UM study, and I should say this is from two twelve. 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:35.920 I think this made the news several years ago and 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:40.240 we're bringing it back. Um, they're they're the worst offenders 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:43.880 as far as seafood frog go. We're Thailand and Vietnam. 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:49.319 But Canada was mentioned in there. What Yeah, oh Canada. 0:11:49.400 --> 0:11:52.640 I know that's what I say to Yeah, they apparently 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:56.600 don't have nearly as stringent aquaculture laws as we do 0:11:56.640 --> 0:11:59.839 in the US. I know that's what I said too. 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:01.680 There are such nice people, though I would have thought 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:04.480 would be the opposite, you know, Yeah, maybe that's what 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:06.960 it is. Maybe they're like, we don't need laws. Of course, 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:09.520 we're not going to defraud. You were Canadians and maybe 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:11.920 it's just a mistake. They're like looks like a god 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:15.800 to me, a you know, like they're not intentionally defrauding people, 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:21.199 because Canadians don't do that. Uh. All right, well let's 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:23.480 take a break and we're gonna talk about, um kind 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:50.120 of how this is done right after this. All right, 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:52.760 So I promised to tell you how this is done. Um. 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:56.920 One of the big ways and reasons this can happen 0:12:57.240 --> 0:13:02.359 is that a lot of the time him these fake fish, 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:07.760 they're real fish, fraudulent fish, unless it's that fake crab stuff, right, 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:09.920 which is still fish. Oh yeah it is, isn't it. 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:13.160 It's like white fish in it. Um, it's like string 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:15.600 cheese crab. It's still delicious. I love it. Do you 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:17.400 like it? I'm not big on it, yeah, I mean, 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:19.400 of course I always prefer the real thing. I had 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:21.599 too much when I was a kid. I think. Yeah, 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:24.360 I do a pretty good uh kind of red nicky 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:27.480 crab dip with it. Oh yeah, it's just delicious, just 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:31.520 like mayonnaise and what's the shirt and stuff? It is good. Uh. 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:34.040 I will say this is like as red nicky as 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:37.240 it is when I have it at places like parties, 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:41.080 People like it's like crack. Even high society types, Yep, 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:43.520 they can't get enough of it. They're like, what's in this? 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:50.000 And I go Duke's mayonnaise and fake crab what? Alright? 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:52.800 So what was pop out they do? Oh? Yeah. The 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:55.000 reason why this happens is a lot of these fraudulent 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:58.480 fish are they come to you as filet's. They don't 0:13:58.520 --> 0:14:00.840 have the head in the tail and the skin and 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:02.960 all those things, and you can't or maybe the skin, 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:06.280 but people don't know this. Really. This goes to that 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:10.600 um processing, right, So, like these guys just dumped a 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:13.960 net full of fish down these shoots, and the first 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:19.320 thing they did was the things went um perpendicular down 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:22.360 a conveyor belt, right, So rather than facing the direction 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:25.080 that the conveyor conveyor belt was going, they were perpendicular 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:28.360 in that direction. And it just so happened that along 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:31.480 that conveyor belt was a big circular saw that was 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:33.840 exactly where their head was placed. So it just cuts 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:36.680 their heads right off, right, You can identify that fish 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:40.440 very easily. Then it goes into the body splitter and gutter, 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:44.760 then the fil ayer and seriously, I was watching this, 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:46.880 I'm like, that is that the same kind of fish, 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:49.960 and yet they were ending up in the same like 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:53.400 batch of fish that was being sold in package together. 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:57.680 So I was looking around to see, like, who's keeping 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:01.920 up with this? And again at sea, nobody's keeping up 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:04.840 with it. Of course not right. So like in the 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:08.400 United States and in other countries, there are people who, um, 0:15:08.480 --> 0:15:12.800 who are overseeing this stuff, and sorting fish is a 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:15.600 it's a big deal, but it's also a pain, right, 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:18.840 because if you get what's called bycatch in your in 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:22.040 your in your catch, yeah, in your nets, like you 0:15:22.040 --> 0:15:24.720 don't if you're if you're shopping for tuna, you don't 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:27.280 want dolphin, you know, if you're fishing for tuna and 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:30.800 you and you hauling a big net, like you're gonna 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:33.000 have all kinds of stuff in there. Yeah. And apparently 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:35.640 we read this little Mother Jones article two. Did you 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:41.840 read that? So? Um, Apparently this is a fairly recent 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:45.920 phenomenon by catch, right, because in like the sixties or seventies, 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:49.360 they started using much longer line, so they were catching 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:52.840 much deeper fish, and they were also by catching fish 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:57.720 that they didn't normally catch before, including the Patagonian toothfish. 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:00.240 So these guys are bringing up so much bycatch, and 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:03.200 it's such a pain to just sort this stuff and 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:07.040 then basically throw it away. They're like, we should rename 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:09.680 this thing and like create a market for it. So 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:14.040 they did. So they renamed Patagonian toothfish Chilean sea bass, 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:16.680 and all of a sudden, there's a big market for it. 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:20.840 The irony is now they're over fishing Chilean sea baths 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:28.160 Patagonian toothfish. They need to change the name back again. 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:31.720 Uh all right, well, here's here's a list, and we're 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:35.200 gonna get to that other. I know, if you tease 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:39.440 someone with something like exlex fish, it's always good to 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:42.040 come back to that. But we will list out a 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:46.200 few of the things that are most often substituted. Um 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:50.160 Pacific cod or Alaskan cod. Um. A lot of times 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:53.400 you're gonna be getting Asian catfish, or maybe a thread 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:57.680 fan slickhead, or maybe even silapia thread finn slickheads or 0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:02.000 a diamond dozen. Uh, Pacific alibu, you might get Atlantic alibu, 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:07.560 Atlantic cod, you might get Pacific cod. Yeah. Groupers a 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:11.800 big one. Yeah. Groupers apparently the most swapped out fish, 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:14.760 the most fraudulent fish of all I think because the 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:18.280 markup is so great. The markup is great, but also 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:22.040 because the FDA is doing some weird stuff. So the 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:27.120 FDA determines what's food in America, and there's like species 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:32.160 of fish that qualify as food that marketable food. Right, grouper. 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:38.359 There's something like sixties six species and twelve different geni 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:41.800 um of fish that can be sold as just grouper 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:46.320 in America. So not only is it expensive, but it's 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:49.760 also um. There's a lot of confusion, so most most 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:53.639 restaurateurs won't be like, well, that's that's not grouper, that's 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:57.239 um um Asian catfish. Yeah. They'd be like, well that's 0:17:57.240 --> 0:18:01.200 the type of grouper, Okay, but it's not in that case. Yeah, 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:04.080 but yeah, you're right, it's it's it's there are that 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:06.400 many kinds of one fish. It's probably hard to regulate, 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:08.880 harder to regulate, and I think the market they said 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:13.119 it's like four times if you are if you're selling 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:16.800 Asian catfish, it's gonna be a four times markup for grouper. Right, 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:25.040 So if you're impoverished fisher person, you'll say, yeah, maybe 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:29.439 this ship man grouper, red snapper, Right, you want to 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:32.280 see if you see like a box with grouper and 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:36.400 a question markt be wary of that one red snapper. 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:40.760 Be aware you might be eating crimson snapper instead. That's 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:45.760 a big, big problem. Or tilapia. Yeah, and then salmon, 0:18:45.840 --> 0:18:49.240 of course there there's a wide range of salmon and 0:18:49.280 --> 0:18:52.199 a wide range of prices according to what kind of 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:56.000 salmon it is. And it's all farmed Atlantic salmon, well 0:18:56.080 --> 0:18:59.360 it could be for apparently that's ah, that's what they 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:01.640 switch all of them out with. Like, if you think 0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:06.680 you're getting a Copper River salmon, it's probably Copper River 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:09.520 salmon because that's here in the US. Sure, But if 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:13.400 you think, oh, look at that that ski over there, 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:18.719 it's beautiful, don't don't see his face, but it's probably 0:19:19.640 --> 0:19:22.960 Atlantic salmon. Yeah. And at first I was like, I 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:26.240 don't understand how they could swap out salmon because it's 0:19:26.280 --> 0:19:29.280 so just distinctive. But now I get it, because you 0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:32.240 think it's like a wild caught Alaskan salmon, and it's 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:35.800 it was, you know, farmed in some guy's backyard in Louisiana, 0:19:35.880 --> 0:19:38.119 you know. And I was looking to see what the 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:44.879 difference is between wild caught and farmed fish Apparently for 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:48.199 every pro on one side, there's a con as well, 0:19:48.600 --> 0:19:50.640 And if you kind of go down the list, they 0:19:50.960 --> 0:19:54.720 pretty much even out one another. Um. A lot of 0:19:54.720 --> 0:19:59.440 the old unsustainable practices like get this, so to feed fish, 0:19:59.720 --> 0:20:03.920 they will go out and catch smaller fish and then 0:20:03.920 --> 0:20:07.040 feed the smaller fish to the bigger fish, which is 0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:10.120 stupid because you're going and getting all of the babies 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:14.480 from fish nurseries that and they won't grow up any longer. 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:17.919 They figured out that you can feed them a combination 0:20:18.040 --> 0:20:21.880 of worms and algae and that has basically the same 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:24.600 amount of nutrients, but it's what more too expensive or 0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:28.000 not as easy or something, I don't know, I don't know. 0:20:28.280 --> 0:20:31.360 But similarly, right um, they're like, well, you know, there's 0:20:31.359 --> 0:20:33.720 a lot of runoff and farms and stuff that that 0:20:34.000 --> 0:20:37.919 can pollute the fishery. Um, but the same thing can 0:20:37.960 --> 0:20:41.880 be true for like actual like wild coots fish as well. 0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:44.119 So there's like this weird give and take, and they 0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:47.399 seem to totally equal out. Yeah, So as far as 0:20:47.480 --> 0:20:52.960 the most mislabeled in the oceanic study, at least of 0:20:53.040 --> 0:20:57.240 snapper samples that they found were mislabeled, and that was 0:20:57.320 --> 0:20:59.760 the number one mislabeled fish. In their study that year, 0:21:00.400 --> 0:21:04.840 tuna was number two. It's fifty nine. That's that's like 0:21:05.040 --> 0:21:08.840 close to the tuna almost there. Yeah, and white tuna 0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:12.359 is is a big reason why. Um, we've all probably 0:21:12.400 --> 0:21:17.840 had albacore delicious albacore. Um. And white tuna is not 0:21:17.920 --> 0:21:21.480 even a fish. So if you go to anywhere but 0:21:21.520 --> 0:21:25.760 a sushi place, it says white tuna. UM, say like, 0:21:25.960 --> 0:21:28.159 well that's not a fish. What is this would be like, 0:21:28.240 --> 0:21:31.239 it's white tuna. Stop asking questions. Yeah, they'll take your 0:21:31.280 --> 0:21:35.320 soy sauce away, give you mustard instead of a sabi 0:21:35.480 --> 0:21:38.280 in a bottle. Um. But yeah, it's not even a 0:21:38.280 --> 0:21:43.280 real fish. So um uh esclar is the fish that 0:21:43.320 --> 0:21:46.720 we've been teasing this whole time, the ex lax fish. Yes, 0:21:46.920 --> 0:21:49.800 and I love this fish. I do too. I didn't 0:21:49.840 --> 0:21:53.320 realize it was that I've eaten it his butterfish many 0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:58.280 a time. Yeah. What are the other names for it? Butterfish, um, 0:21:58.720 --> 0:22:03.440 white tuna, Hawaiian wallo. Yeah, that's it. That's very misleading. 0:22:03.560 --> 0:22:07.760 Rudder fish. Rudder fish sounds inedible itself. You know, sure, 0:22:07.760 --> 0:22:09.600 I wouldn't need a rudder fish. I'd be like get 0:22:09.600 --> 0:22:14.480 this off the menu. I think Escolar sounds like very fancy. Yeah, 0:22:14.720 --> 0:22:16.720 like it makes your pinky go up when you say it, 0:22:16.760 --> 0:22:20.160 you know, yeah, like Escalar, Yeah, because it sounds like Escobar. 0:22:20.400 --> 0:22:23.520 And he was the best drug king pin of all time. Sure, yeah, 0:22:23.520 --> 0:22:26.520 he was the fancy drug king But I guess Escalar. 0:22:26.600 --> 0:22:30.439 People know it's a dirty little secret, which is that 0:22:30.520 --> 0:22:35.400 there is an oil, uh this wax esther that makes 0:22:35.400 --> 0:22:39.440 it taste delicious and it's not digestible by us. So 0:22:40.000 --> 0:22:43.359 if you eat more like in little tiny sushi portions, 0:22:43.080 --> 0:22:45.680 it's it's okay, but if you get enough of it, 0:22:45.920 --> 0:22:48.840 you're gonna have the poopy pants by enough of it, 0:22:49.080 --> 0:22:53.399 like a filet can do it supply? Probably? Yeah, Like 0:22:53.560 --> 0:22:59.680 anal seepage apparently is the result of eating this stuff. Yeah, 0:23:00.320 --> 0:23:04.480 say I didn't he didn't know. I did. People need 0:23:04.480 --> 0:23:08.760 to be informed. Uh Yeah. So what happened was, um 0:23:08.920 --> 0:23:12.920 people started blue fin tuna, as everyone knows, is very 0:23:12.920 --> 0:23:15.680 expensive now because there's not as much of it. So 0:23:16.400 --> 0:23:19.520 vy blue fin tuna was about fourteen cents a pound 0:23:19.560 --> 0:23:23.720 on the wholesale market, and UM it varies now. In 0:23:23.760 --> 0:23:26.720 two thousand and fifteen it was eight to twelve bucks 0:23:26.760 --> 0:23:29.520 a pound, and in two thousand and fourteen it was 0:23:29.520 --> 0:23:31.840 actually higher, it was ten to fifteen dollars a pound. 0:23:32.280 --> 0:23:36.080 That's why you see these crazy reports like a fisherman 0:23:36.160 --> 0:23:39.320 catches a tuna worth like ten thousand dollars or more, 0:23:39.640 --> 0:23:41.600 you know, because it's like hundreds and hundreds of pounds. 0:23:42.240 --> 0:23:45.760 Uh if you get a big one. And um, so, 0:23:45.920 --> 0:23:48.120 like you said, they started going deeper and that's when 0:23:48.119 --> 0:23:52.240 they started getting this bycatch. And apparently esclar dwell on 0:23:52.280 --> 0:23:56.399 the bottom because they're poopy fish. They're called a snake mackerel. 0:23:58.359 --> 0:24:00.480 That's a good name. I need a snake mackerel. Would 0:24:00.480 --> 0:24:04.880 you sure that made you poop your pants? That gave 0:24:04.960 --> 0:24:07.320 you anal seepage? Well, it doesn't say that on the menu, 0:24:08.640 --> 0:24:13.000 although since I mentioned that, Uh. In two thousand four 0:24:13.119 --> 0:24:16.719 the state of Washington, Uh, they issued a bulletin on it, 0:24:16.840 --> 0:24:20.199 and they have I think some restaurants at least in 0:24:20.240 --> 0:24:24.600 the European Union like say on the packaging it can 0:24:24.680 --> 0:24:27.399 cause poopy pants. Right, there's a picture of a guy 0:24:27.560 --> 0:24:31.159 holding the seat of his pants in alarm with the 0:24:31.520 --> 0:24:36.240 universal symbol snake mackerel coming out of his butt, smoking 0:24:36.240 --> 0:24:40.359 a cigar. Oh boy, it is outright banded in Japan 0:24:40.400 --> 0:24:42.959 and Italy, so I love it. In Japan, you know, 0:24:43.560 --> 0:24:47.280 they're they're like, no, don't mess with our sushi. But 0:24:47.400 --> 0:24:51.280