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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Fantasy Footballer's Dynasty Podcast with Borg Bets

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Speaker 1: and a baller.

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Speaker 2: You. Welcome in. It's Wednesday, July tenth. We're back Fantasy

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Speaker 2: Footballer's Dynasty Podcast. I'm your host, Kyle Worganoni and I

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Speaker 2: am joined by Matthew Betts and Mike Wright.

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Speaker 3: Welcome in. How you boys doing.

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Speaker 4: Doing all right? How was the fourth for everybody? Oh?

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Speaker 3: Patriotic?

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Speaker 4: Is ever? I mean? Marca?

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Speaker 3: Am I right? That was fun?

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 3: We were at my in law's lake house a little

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Speaker 3: time on the on the boat, got the girls out

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Speaker 3: in the water for a bit, played some golf, played horribly,

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Speaker 3: but you know, flipped some burgers on the grill. It

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Speaker 3: was pretty much your all American weekend.

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Speaker 4: Nice. I was at my pool house, which is just

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Speaker 4: my house because I have a pool. He's just over

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Speaker 4: He's like I was a lake he's all fancy, Like, uh,

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Speaker 4: I stayed home and I grill.

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Speaker 2: Well, when you were talking, it's like I've been your house, Mike, Like,

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Speaker 2: I was like, man, a pool house. Mike must have

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Speaker 2: added on this really cool pool house in the back

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Speaker 2: of bed. He never showed anyone.

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Speaker 3: It's a bedroom.

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Speaker 2: I did have a funny moment talking to my kids,

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Speaker 2: I was like, Hey, do you guys know why we

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Speaker 2: do the fourth And I was like, oh, did they

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Speaker 2: want a history lesson? It's like they had no clue,

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Speaker 2: no clue. My kids are young, but it's like they

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Speaker 2: were just like, uh, well we just get together because

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Speaker 2: of American And I was like, well that's good enough

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Speaker 2: for me.

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Speaker 3: Basically, what I what I did really appreciate Kyle about

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Speaker 3: year fourth of July weekend and you know, imagine never

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Speaker 3: logging off Twitter. It literally couldn't be me. So I'm

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Speaker 3: always logged on and I see at kyle underscore work

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Speaker 3: post far too many minutes of Will Levis playing quarterback

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Speaker 3: in the NFL. On the Sunday at fourth of July weekend, Kyle,

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Speaker 3: I am begging you, brother, go outside, please see some sunlight.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if you're doing that on like a Wednesday,

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Speaker 3: you know, during normal work hours, that's fine, But on

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Speaker 3: fourth of July weekend, I mean that is just next level.

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Speaker 3: So that is the amount of attention Kyle gives. This

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Speaker 3: show gives, you know, the listeners, the audience, his content

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Speaker 3: because I know you need it. But Kyle, brother, please

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Speaker 3: see some sun.

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Speaker 2: Thirty six minutes. Will Levis didn't do anything.

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Speaker 4: For you, I mean too much. I watched some of

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Speaker 4: it and was like, woof these are I mean you

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Speaker 4: could you could put on the Benny Hill music during

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Speaker 4: that thing and it would be just fine.

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Speaker 2: It was a roller coaster Ryan because a lot of

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Speaker 2: times it was back to back place where it was like,

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Speaker 2: oh my gosh, this is a forty yard deep play

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Speaker 2: where like Chris Moore had a ton of plays in there,

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Speaker 2: and then the next play is like sack fumble. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the other team has the ball and they're totally screwed.

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Speaker 2: But I in my defense, both my boys ended up

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Speaker 2: being sick for the July weekend after so I was

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Speaker 2: at home and just you know me Will Levis.

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Speaker 4: The play I had forgotten was the like I think

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Speaker 4: was it might have been a fumble fumble for war Pick.

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Speaker 4: I can't remember, but it was a turnover and then

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Speaker 4: Will Levis runs out and like gets the ball back almost.

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Speaker 4: I think it was all called back on a penalty.

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Speaker 2: It was against the Colts. He tried to he tried

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Speaker 2: to do all this funny stuff. I mean, I I

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Speaker 2: it was comedic.

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Speaker 4: I liked the hustle. He's like, oh, this was my fall.

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Speaker 4: I better go fix the problem because I'm a mullion.

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Speaker 2: This wasn't supposed to be a Will Levis show. But

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Speaker 2: I think the question is we're asking, like can it work?

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Speaker 2: Maybe and maybe it probably won't.

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Speaker 4: He was extremely bad.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk about that. We'll talk about but we're going

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Speaker 3: to talk through some of these Titans wide receivers and

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Speaker 3: all right.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we'll save that there on this show. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: be doing part two of our Dynasty wide Receiver Tiers.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about some of the rankings of players past

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Speaker 2: the top twenty four and I think for a lot

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Speaker 2: of people, there's some movement of where these players are

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Speaker 2: Speaking of Titans, do they even consider him a Titan

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Speaker 4: I don't know that they do.

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Speaker 2: They have not been kind no at all, like just

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Speaker 2: very blunt, like oh yeah no, like he'll do some

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Speaker 3: It's like falling out.

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Speaker 4: So I mean like factor in the emotion part. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I guess we have a new regime now, but it's

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Speaker 4: one replacement of Aj Brown. Like that is what happened.

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Speaker 4: And we all look, we do it as fantasy football players,

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Speaker 4: like you love a guy, you're confident in him, you

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Speaker 4: draft him high. It's a disaster, and now like your love,

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Speaker 4: the equality side or the equal side of the love

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Speaker 4: has now flipped to that equal of hatred. I think

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Speaker 4: that's what happened to the Titans.

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Speaker 2: The Titans are a dynasty team that just said, hey,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna keep going with this formula. We're gonna see

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Speaker 2: if it works. We're gonna trade, you know, our wide

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Speaker 2: a one could be anything, It could even be Aj Brown.

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Speaker 2: And then it came crashing down. I mean, the regimes

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Speaker 2: over I I looked at it. Rabol came in twenty

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Speaker 2: They were a one seed one year. I don't know

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Speaker 2: if you guys remember that, like they were awesome and

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Speaker 2: then just crumb crashing down. So before we get into this,

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Speaker 2: I did want to mention some of the stuff that

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Speaker 2: we've been updating in the Ultimate Draftkit, Ultimate Draftkit dot Com,

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Speaker 2: the Dynasty Pass. We're adding in a couple of new things,

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Speaker 2: like I have a Dynasty Tiers article for the wide

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Speaker 2: receivers that's exclusive just to that. We'll go through this

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Speaker 2: giant list, so we're not going to mention every single

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Speaker 2: guy that's in there. Bets, you're working on a monster

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Speaker 2: article right now for training camp preview that goes through

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Speaker 2: every single team, and we'll talk about that. But the

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Speaker 2: Draft Analyzer is out right now. If you want to

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Speaker 2: analyze your Dynasty team, Mike, I know you just want

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Speaker 2: a championship, but does do you like your own team

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Speaker 2: according to your projections and rankings?

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Speaker 4: I do. That's a good feeling that might surprise you

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Speaker 4: that I love my good players.

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Speaker 2: So you can get in that Ultimate Draftkit dot Com

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Speaker 2: and we're going to continue to add resources all throughout

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Speaker 2: the offseason, guys, a month a month really until we

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Speaker 2: start seeing some preseason action. So speaking of action, Bets,

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Speaker 2: you're writing this article about training camp battle, and that's

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Speaker 2: my quick question for us, which training camp battle are

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Speaker 2: you most interested? And for Dynasty this is shifting their

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Speaker 2: running back two, running back three, some of these wide

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Speaker 2: receiver battles, So, Bets, why don't you start off first?

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Speaker 2: Which battle are you looking at right now? For training camp?

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Speaker 3: Zach Moss is like, I'm losing sleep at night. Boys.

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Speaker 2: You guys are sick, because like you're sick, Bets, you're sick.

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Speaker 3: Okay, everything in this player's you know, from what he

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Speaker 3: entered the NFL till now says this is a bad bet, right,

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Speaker 3: like just running backs that are thrust into RB one

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Speaker 3: opportunities that have never really been talented or the main

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Speaker 4: Me with it?

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Speaker 3: Do you have it up in front of you?

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Speaker 4: I do that. So I went back from twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 4: So running backs drafted twenty fourteen. Moving forward, we have

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Speaker 4: seventy one players who have finished inside the top twenty

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Speaker 4: four at least one time, and guys who hit their

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Speaker 4: Of those of those seventy one players, it was three

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Speaker 4: and two of those players were undrafted free agents, and

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Speaker 4: the other one was James White. Like the arc type

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Speaker 4: of the player who in year five is ready for

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Speaker 4: a breakout is uh, there's three, so it's it was

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Speaker 4: four point two percent of the seventy one in my

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Speaker 4: sample size. So and I'm with you. I don't want

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Speaker 4: to steal your thunder for the argument, but I am

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Speaker 4: I am also losing sleep on Zach Moss.

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, just that stat that you just shared

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Speaker 3: says like this shouldn't work and it probably won't work,

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Speaker 3: but maybe maybe it'll work for us. But then I

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Speaker 3: was going back in you know this monster article, which

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Speaker 3: is it's gonna be like ten thousand words, so you're

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Speaker 3: gonna need some time off of work to actually read it.

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Speaker 3: Basically is looking at like some of the advanced numbers

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Speaker 3: and like how could this work? And who's gonna take

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Speaker 3: the job. And it's like, man in this offense, Like

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Speaker 3: Joe Mixon's a pretty good NFL running back. He's not elite,

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Speaker 3: but he gets the job done. He does what he's asked.

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Speaker 3: And Chase Brown, I'm not sure is going to do that.

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Speaker 3: He was asked to pass block on eight total snaps

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Speaker 3: last year. He played the most in a single week

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Speaker 3: last year thirty percent of the snaps, Like they never

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Speaker 3: really gave him a workload, and so at worst, to me,

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Speaker 3: this is a fifty to fifty split with in theory,

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Speaker 3: Chase Brown getting quote unquote passing work and Zach Moss

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Speaker 3: getting the early down work and certainly the goal line work.

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Speaker 3: Joe Mixon was top five in the NFL and carries

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Speaker 3: inside the ten year old line last year, and we

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Speaker 3: know that this team is going to run out of shotgun.

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Speaker 3: That's what Zach Moss did very very well a year ago.

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Speaker 3: So I kind of find myselves on both sides of

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Speaker 3: it where I'm like, this archetype doesn't work, and then

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Speaker 3: I like dig into the numbers and the football scheme

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Speaker 3: and the offense with with Joe Burrow before being injured

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Speaker 3: we like. Vegas is projecting a ton of points, their

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Speaker 3: top ten in points projected scored this year. I think

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Speaker 3: he could just be like fine from a talent standpoint,

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Speaker 3: but literally falling the end zone eleven times and you're like,

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Speaker 3: there's the RB fifteen this year.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: It's like I see both sides of it, where like

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Speaker 3: in Dynasty, I might be using this little opportunity to

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Speaker 3: be like, you know what, I may never get a

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Speaker 3: chance to trade away Zach Moss ever again. But at

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Speaker 3: the same time, in redraft circles like I kind of

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Speaker 3: get it and I'm kind of in on Zach Moss, do.

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Speaker 2: You so let me put this to the test. So

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Speaker 2: you're a running back needy team, you see Zach Moss

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Speaker 2: out there, You're you're like, hey, i'd love to get

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Speaker 2: an RB two this year. What's the price? Is it

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Speaker 2: the second round pick?

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Speaker 3: It's the second and that's me a second.

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Speaker 2: It's fair, and it's you just don't want to be Madison, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you do not want that. That's the worst case scenario

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Speaker 2: in this is you're trading for a player who's never

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Speaker 3: If we're using biceps size as the indicator here, I

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Speaker 2: It makes sense. I mean, just from a team, which

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Speaker 4: But the dynasty as of Moss, like Zamir, Damir is young.

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Speaker 4: Like you know in Dynasty, you usually want to bet

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Speaker 2: All right, Mike, So you have another backfield that Bets

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Speaker 3: Oh it's very low, right, it's fifty thousand dollars.

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Speaker 4: Recently, undrafted free agents are getting more than that. J.

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Speaker 3: So I don't even know if he makes the team.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And so the answer it's the Chargers running backs

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Speaker 4: because this is nothing should work, Absolutely nothing should work.

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Speaker 4: If you're just looking at a profile of of Gus Edwards,

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Speaker 4: more exciting a third day draft pick in Kamandi Vidal

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that right now, if you guess this correctly,

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Speaker 2: I can't think of him other than Vandala soon.

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Speaker 4: This is Jason's fault.

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Speaker 2: Jason's good at what he does. Yeah, I think I

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Speaker 2: That's the only one though, that like if we take

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Speaker 3: I think so too. I think just look at the money, right,

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Speaker 3: there's this is crazy man, like this backfield with how

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Speaker 3: it just doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't make sense. And this year are like redraft.

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Speaker 4: late that I don't blame people for loading up on

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you could win with, you know, and we talked

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Speaker 2: then I hear Nick Underhill, who's the most plugged in

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Speaker 2: wait a, no, I hadn't heard that, I know, I

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Speaker 2: are they even gonna run enough eleven personnel? For a

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Speaker 2: while it was like, is it at Perry, is it

434
00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,800
Speaker 2: Cedric Wilson, is it Rookie bubb Means which is just

435
00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:15,840
Speaker 2: always fun to say his name. And at the end

436
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:17,119
Speaker 2: of the day, they might just be running a lot

437
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,159
Speaker 2: more tight ends. They gotta get Juwan Johnson healthy. It

438
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,080
Speaker 2: is a gross team because we've mentioned they were the

439
00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,560
Speaker 2: least creative team when it comes to pre snet motion

440
00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,480
Speaker 2: in the entire NFL, and now you're going to a

441
00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,800
Speaker 2: scheme that's maybe the most creative outside of like Mike McDaniel.

442
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,040
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of variables here. And then at

443
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Speaker 2: the core of this, I have to ask this question,

444
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,600
Speaker 2: is Derek Cargan even like make any of this work?

445
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:45,040
Speaker 2: Like does it even matter at all? If he's just stinks?

446
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,400
Speaker 2: I mean he gaverage? Come on, buddy, you can.

447
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,280
Speaker 4: I think I think he is a league gaverage Like

448
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,520
Speaker 4: thirty eight hundred almost thirty nine hundred passing yards, twenty

449
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:59,280
Speaker 4: five touchdowns, Like you give me that yardage, you bump

450
00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:00,399
Speaker 4: those touchdown.

451
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 2: Up to the high league and grimaces.

452
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean he needs to leave our boy

453
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,920
Speaker 4: Crystal Lovey alone. Yeah. I think it's your fault. Derk Car,

454
00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:09,920
Speaker 4: everything's your fault.

455
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,920
Speaker 3: I think Carr is the absolute Like if you could

456
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:15,600
Speaker 3: pick the starting quarterbacks in the league to be like

457
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 3: you get no prest motion, figure it out, like car

458
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 3: would be on your short list of like that dude

459
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 3: is not gonna make this work. Mahomes Alan, those guys

460
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,119
Speaker 3: will make it work. So like, in theory, this is

461
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,680
Speaker 3: obviously very good for his efficiency. Like keep the defense,

462
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 3: you know, on their heels, Like, get guys moving before

463
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,720
Speaker 3: the snap, please get Rashichahi moving before the snap, and

464
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,200
Speaker 3: just let this dude burst up field. Like that stuff

465
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,919
Speaker 3: will all I think help the offense. But we know

466
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 3: what Derek Carr is at this point, right, so like

467
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 3: I'm not expecting a huge jump, but I think he'll

468
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 3: be more efficient than he was a year ago when

469
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,920
Speaker 3: literally every snap was like you know what, Whereasavin Kamoraw

470
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:53,400
Speaker 3: two years down the field works for me. Here you go, Alvin, be.

471
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Speaker 2: On the lookout for that article bets going through all

472
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 2: thirty two teams, their biggest training can't be out battles,

473
00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 2: so that you can basically be ready for August and

474
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,960
Speaker 2: be ready for everything coming out. So let's take a

475
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:13,440
Speaker 2: quick break and we'll be right back, all right, before

476
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Speaker 2: we talk about these wide receiver tiers. I went back

477
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 2: because I'm a sick, sick person and I love our showdocs. Guys.

478
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 2: I mean, there's so much information that I can pull

479
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 2: from from twenty sixteen seventeen. I mean, we got a

480
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,120
Speaker 2: lot of stuff. But I went back to last year

481
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,959
Speaker 2: in this exact episode, and after we had gone through

482
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Speaker 2: the main wide receivers, we had a question where we

483
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,399
Speaker 2: talked about which wide receiver past wide receiver fifty do

484
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Speaker 2: you want to bring up to that?

485
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 4: I don't know.

486
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 2: Maybe could take a jump, And Bets, I need to

487
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,200
Speaker 2: give you some props because you brought up Nico Collins.

488
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 2: Maybe you just did it like I don't know who

489
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,880
Speaker 2: to put down, but last year he was wide receiver

490
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 2: sixty four in Dynasty rankings, and I bring his name

491
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 2: up because a lot of these wide receivers we're going

492
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,640
Speaker 2: to talk about today. You might be like, I can't

493
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,879
Speaker 2: really see it. This is just where they are. But

494
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,439
Speaker 2: there is room for growth of so many play we

495
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 2: talked about last week. Pooka Nakua wasn't in my top

496
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 2: two tiers in my rankings last year. Mike, I don't

497
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,439
Speaker 2: know if you had him there beginning there, but no,

498
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 2: I did not. I didn't even rank I mean we

499
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 2: didn't even have him ranked like no one did. So

500
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 2: there is room for growth. But BET's like, how does

501
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 2: it feel you totally forgot you said that?

502
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 4: Right?

503
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 3: No, I remember that vividly because you all laughed. You

504
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 3: all laughed at me, Kyle, and it was awesome. I

505
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,160
Speaker 3: sent not in every league, but in a couple leagues.

506
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,360
Speaker 3: I got him for like a late second last year

507
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 3: of like what the heck? You know, he had played

508
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,719
Speaker 3: with Davis Mills, Kyle Allen, Tyro Taylor and we were

509
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 3: all Stroud fans, and I was like, what if Stroud's

510
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 3: just good, I'll throw a late second and hope for

511
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 3: the best. So that worked out. That's one of those

512
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,120
Speaker 3: things that happens in dynasty like once every like four years,

513
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 3: where you make a trade that's sweet, but it does

514
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 3: feel quite nice.

515
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Speaker 2: I have a rebuilding team that I had him on

516
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,399
Speaker 2: the roster and he was probably like my wide receiver

517
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 2: five or six. And then fast forward a year later,

518
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 2: I had the pick, so I got Marvin a doonsday

519
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,679
Speaker 2: and then I've had Collins Pitty City and I'm like,

520
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 2: restock my wide receiver room. Where a year later I'm like, wow,

521
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,919
Speaker 2: I have a bunch of studs that I didn't even realize.

522
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,439
Speaker 2: And that's like one of the beauties of year to

523
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,400
Speaker 2: year things can change. So I want to talk about

524
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 2: these tiers and talk about where we rank these.

525
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 1: Players Dynasty rankings.

526
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Speaker 2: So we're talking about the guys that I'm calling Tier five,

527
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 2: and like I said, there'll be an article out on

528
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 2: all of this if you want to get all of

529
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Speaker 2: our rankings. They're in the Dynasty pass. But I'm calling

530
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 2: it at the crossroads because when you put players in tiers,

531
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Speaker 2: they can't all be at the same exact age, same

532
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 2: exact spot. But a lot of these guys are young.

533
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 2: And then Deebo Samuel's in here too because that's why

534
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 2: I've ranked. But I'll list some of the guys Zay Flowers,

535
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Speaker 2: Lad McConkie, Jordan Addison, Rashid Rice, Brian Thomas, Junior, Jaysen, Deebo,

536
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 2: George Pickens, and Jaden Reid. These guys are at different

537
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 2: points of their career. But there's a lot of guys

538
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 2: that are super young that we think can elevate themselves

539
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 2: or at least, like hey, they could be a top

540
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 2: fifteen wide receiver. We just don't have them ranked there

541
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,719
Speaker 2: right now. I wanted to bring up Jordan Adison first

542
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 2: because I have him in a league and I you know,

543
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 2: if you had have told me, hey, by the way,

544
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 2: Jordan Addison's gonna have ten touchdowns as a rookie, you'd

545
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,199
Speaker 2: be like, sweet, he I mean, he killed it. This

546
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 2: is what I wanted. He delivered on the value he

547
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 2: finishes wide receiver twenty one, and yet it feels like

548
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 2: a year later he's dropped in value. I don't know

549
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,439
Speaker 2: if there's like the stench. And I know Kirk Cousins

550
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 2: is the big reason why he's gone, but like we're

551
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 2: almost penalizing him because Jefferson was off the field and

552
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 2: we're penalizing because it's a you know, a new quarterback.

553
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 2: But this team throws, like this team is going to

554
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 2: continue to throw the ball. Last year second in neutral

555
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 2: pass rate, first in passing when they were leading by

556
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 2: seven points, second and second half pass rate, first in

557
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 2: pass right inside the twenty. They throw a ton and

558
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 2: they're gonna continue to throw even if they have McCarthy

559
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 2: in there eventually. So what is y'all's feeling on Addison

560
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 2: after year one? And is this appropriate or is it like, Okay,

561
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 2: well that's all we're ever gonna see. That was his

562
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 2: best season ever.

563
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 3: Go ahead, and I think there's room for improvement. Obviously,

564
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 3: anytime a wide receiver flashes that much as a rookie,

565
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 3: you have to open your eyes and say, like, that's

566
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 3: what we wanted to see, and he probably will take

567
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 3: a step forward in year two. The issue for me is,

568
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 3: you know, when you look at the touchdown total, that's tough, right,

569
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 3: Like a lot of that production is probably going to

570
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 3: come down this year, specifically when you think about either

571
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 3: Sam Darnold and or a rookie quarterback. I mean, we've

572
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 3: talked about it on the main show. You guys bring

573
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 3: it up all the time. It's just rookie quarterback touchdown

574
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 3: rates just historically have not been a winning bet in fantasy.

575
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 3: So I see a guy who overperformed in the touchdown

576
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 3: department relative to his usage. Add in a potential rookie quarterback,

577
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,439
Speaker 3: and I just see a player that I think it

578
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 3: will all kind of balance out a little bit this

579
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,199
Speaker 3: year where I don't really see Addison being able to

580
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 3: take a step forward in dynas value because of those factors.

581
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 3: And oh, by the way, Justin Jefferson still here, massive contract,

582
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 3: you know, and a lot of his production last year

583
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 3: kame with Justin Jefferson off the field. So I feel

584
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,719
Speaker 3: kind of lukewarm on Addison, which I think is how

585
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 3: a lot of people feel a fine like wide receiver

586
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 3: three type for dynasty on my team, wide receiver two

587
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 3: that I want to have, but I'm not like going

588
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 3: out of my way to trade for him this offseason.

589
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,959
Speaker 4: I think I would say, you know, part of the

590
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 4: how do you phrase it, They're just like the disappointment

591
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 4: of when Jefferson was off the field, it just it

592
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 4: wasn't like a huge or at least I didn't feel like

593
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 4: a huge optic in actual production. You know, the target

594
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 4: share it certainly went up, and that makes complete sense,

595
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 4: but like his yards per route run, it was the

596
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 4: exact same as when Jefferson was on the field. That's

597
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,959
Speaker 4: not what you're hoping for for a first rounder. You

598
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 4: want someone who when an opportunity presents itself, this guy

599
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 4: just takes over the way like justin Jefferson did. So

600
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 4: I think that's what's baked in. And then I would say,

601
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 4: just what Betts said just said about Stroud. If we

602
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 4: like Stroud like a lot in last year's offseason, and

603
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 4: I don't think we all feel the same about JJ McCarthy,

604
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 4: but I think McCarthy's I think he is good. I

605
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 4: think that he will be a good quarterback in the NFL.

606
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 4: And if this is, if they really keep the same

607
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 4: pass heavy, pass heavy approach and JJ McCarthy ends up

608
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 4: being good, then this would be the floor for Jordan Addison.

609
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's been the Kemn O'Connell approach. Is They've been

610
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 2: bottom five in RUSS attempts each of his first two years,

611
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 2: so I think they're going to continue to press on

612
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 2: the gas. I mean last year, if it was Mullins,

613
00:29:55,400 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 2: Jaren Hall, Josh Dobbs, whoever, he actually was targeted more

614
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 2: more frequently when Cousins was off the field. So it's like,

615
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 2: I don't think the quarterback is really the issue me

616
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 2: for Addison, it's more of what is his ceiling? Knowing

617
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 2: that Jefferson's here, So my question to kind of land

618
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 2: the plane here is why can't he be This is

619
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 2: my number eighty five to ninety percent of DeVonta Smith,

620
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 2: same like kind of wiery player who is the wide

621
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 2: receiver two on an offense that could be good Like

622
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 2: that's kind of what I'm hoping he is, and it

623
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 2: still caps him. But I mean it's a good player,

624
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 2: Like you said, a wide receiver three for your squad

625
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 2: who's really young, and you saw him like he wasn't

626
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 2: just getting little, you know, dings and dunks, like he

627
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 2: was getting downfield intermediate targets that really matter. So that's

628
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 2: what are your thoughts on that comparison.

629
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Speaker 4: I think that's a good interesting comparison because I think

630
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 4: just narratively speaking to me, it would make sense that

631
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 4: if it look this all hinges on JJ McCarthy, of course,

632
00:30:55,320 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 4: that you have someone who's actually competent, but like there's

633
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 4: if that's what happens, then to me, there's no reason

634
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 4: why Jordan Addison can't surpass DeVonta Smith in terms of

635
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 4: fantasy value. Where Smith is he will be the number two.

636
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 4: He is a handsomely paid number two, but he's the

637
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 4: number two guy on a team that is a low

638
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 4: passing volume and unless something drastically changes here for you know,

639
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 4: Jalen Hurts like Jalen Hurts isn't is. He is who

640
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 4: he is, and it's gonna be a heavy rush system

641
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 4: for the Philadelphia Eagles, where if Minnesota keeps everything and

642
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 4: then McCarthy actually ends up good on a high volume

643
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 4: passing offense, you can actually sustain to high level fantasy

644
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 4: wide receivers, So I don't I'm talking myself into Jordan

645
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 4: Adison a little bit more than I had been. I

646
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 4: don't know if I would be aggressive out and going

647
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 4: to get him because thinking just in terms of the

648
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 4: dynasty market, like play out this year of it will

649
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 4: be probably a good chunk of it's gonna be Sam

650
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 4: Darnold and cause I think that's the good NFL approach

651
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 4: for the Vikings. Their bye week is I think week six,

652
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 4: week six or seven, if I'm remembering it correctly off

653
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 4: the top of my head, where it's like, okay, that's

654
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 4: usually a pretty good transition point for get the rookie,

655
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 4: put them in, and then at that point you're not

656
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 4: going to feel like you had enough of the season

657
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 4: to really evaluate. Is jj McCarthy good? Meaning that to me,

658
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 4: unless there's catastrophic failure by McCarthy Jordan Adison, his value

659
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 4: will remain kind of flat and then maybe you can

660
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 4: reassess and take a bet next year. Yeah.

661
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 3: I like that call quite a bit because I think

662
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 3: we all kind of share, like some team level concerns

663
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 3: about just production and points this year from the team

664
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 3: and Mike hat tip, it is week six that they

665
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 3: are on by, So that's kind of the perfect timeline

666
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 3: for that. I will just say I don't think Kevin

667
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 3: O'Connell cares like Nick Mullens was chucking it on the

668
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 3: stretch last year and you know they bringing Aaron Jones,

669
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 3: right he's I mean, he was still awesome down the stretch,

670
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 3: especially in the playoffs as a runner. But when you

671
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 3: think about Aaron Jones, whereas he's so so good, it's

672
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 3: as a pass catcher, right, Ty Chandler, same thing, Like

673
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 3: he's not really a bruiser. He's kind of a finesse

674
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 3: back in space who can catch the ball. I think

675
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 3: that's what Kevin O'Connell wants to do, and the personnel

676
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 3: says that that's the case. So yeah, I think we

677
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 3: could see more volume than maybe we think initially, but

678
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 3: it might take some time for JJ to kind of

679
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 3: develop over the course of the season.

680
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 2: All right, So we got some other wide receivers in

681
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 2: this tier that I think we're at a crossroads. Like

682
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 2: I've talked a lot of JSN and I've kind of

683
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 2: dug a little deeper, but it's like, hey, I want

684
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 2: to see something year two. We've talked about George Pickens

685
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 2: a ton, I mean, and he might be one of

686
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 2: our most talked about players on all of our Footballers podcasts. Mike,

687
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 2: you ever shee Rice on here? Yeah, for many reasons

688
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 2: of like why he's at the crossroads, but what is

689
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 2: your thoughts on him?

690
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 4: It's just the the crossroad. So this is a one

691
00:33:54,240 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 4: of the worst things about fantasy football is and just

692
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 4: in the NFL, it's off the field stuff that sucks. Look,

693
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 4: there's humans and humans make mistakes and Rahi Rice clearly

694
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 4: made a massive mistake that he will, like there will

695
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 4: be a penalty for him. We still don't know what

696
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 4: it is. And like trying to factor in that that risk,

697
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 4: like off the field risk of for us as we

698
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 4: sit at home in our parents' basements, trying to judge

699
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 4: the character of these guys, Like it's that's a it's

700
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 4: an impossible game, but like but we have to accept,

701
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 4: Like think about think about where we had the excitement

702
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 4: for Rashid Rice before any of that of the stuff

703
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 4: in Dallas happened, Like that dude was on a rocket

704
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 4: ship to being one of people's favorite Dynasty wide receivers,

705
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 4: a player who actually came through for Patrick Mahomes and

706
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 4: the Chiefs and look, it's like their number one wide

707
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 4: receiver moving forward. Even though he has limitations as a player,

708
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 4: like he's really he's more of a yards after contact.

709
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 4: Maybe he could turn into like a Deebo Samuel type

710
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 4: because he's just his route tree. It's it's not refined

711
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 4: as it should be for an NFL, a number one

712
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 4: NFL wide receiver. But yet after the bye week he

713
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 4: was like, there was a game of thirteen percent. I'm

714
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 4: going to remove that. So week twelve through seventeen twenty

715
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 4: seven percent of the targets and then in the in

716
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 4: the playoff run eight targets, nine, four, twelve, like he

717
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 4: was really involved. And it's are taking the human part

718
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 4: out because like, if you don't want these though, if

719
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 4: you don't want players who are doing that crap on

720
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 4: your team, I totally get it. But just production wise,

721
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 4: Let's say he gets a six or eight game suspension,

722
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 4: but that's it and then the rest of his career,

723
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 4: Rashid Rice is like he turns it around, he looks

724
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 4: at his mistake, he goes, I'm not going to do

725
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 4: that crap again, and then he's just he's the player

726
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 4: who he was before that and then starts getting better

727
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 4: and he actually is the number one wide receiver for

728
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes. Like, I think that is those outcomes aren't

729
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 4: being looked at as much as they used to, you know,

730
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 4: cause the first friend draft pick of Xavier Wary, that's

731
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 4: really exciting. He's a burner. What if it's just Rice

732
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 4: and Rice pays his penalty and you could get a huge,

733
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 4: massive discount on him right now and he's at the

734
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 4: crossroads and he figures it out, That's what I'm saying.

735
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 4: I don't know that he will, but I'm just throwing

736
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 4: it out like that. We need to think of that

737
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 4: as an option.

738
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 2: Yes, And I'm looking at this tier and when you

739
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 2: have everybody ranked for twenty twenty four, it feels all

740
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 2: clean and neat because, like Mike's mentioned, we're not mentioning

741
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 2: all the variables of where things could change. But like,

742
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 2: I don't think he'll be here next year. It's either

743
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 2: up or down. But I don't think it's just gonna

744
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 2: stay status quote for him. So a year from now,

745
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 2: if he remains a wide receiver one, like I think

746
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 2: he tears up in a group where you're like, Okay,

747
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 2: you've established yourself two years with Patrick Mahomes as you're

748
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 2: the guy and Kelsey's getting older. Where you know, with Worthy,

749
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 2: there is a fear that he becomes a gadget player

750
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 2: for a team that hasn't excelled in downfield stuff. Like

751
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes had one touchdown of twenty plus ear yards

752
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 2: last year, So if you don't get that, it might

753
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 2: be different.

754
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 4: But there's fair concern that Rashid Rice will only be

755
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 4: a gadget player too. I think, yeah, yeah, that's a

756
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 4: fair thing to say. But and A it's not just

757
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 4: it's it's not exactly the same. But if you've played

758
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 4: if you've played dynasty fantasy football for whatever five years,

759
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 4: I can't remember exactly when it was. Tyreek Hill had

760
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 4: an offseason where he had some really bad off the

761
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 4: field stuff and the fantasy football community was because I

762
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 4: think the consensus just NFL fans is like he will

763
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 4: never play football again. He's done. It is absolute toast.

764
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 4: Like this guy was in the double digit rounds of

765
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 4: startup drafts. I mean from a where he was, you know,

766
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 4: whis a top fifteen guy, absolutely plummets. People are sending

767
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 4: out fire sale trade offers. You're rejecting it. Because you're

768
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 4: you're sending me a player who's never going to play

769
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 4: another snap in the NFL again, And now Tyreek Shill

770
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 4: is the number one guy or number two guy going

771
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 4: in the next year I leave for redraft speaking just so,

772
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 4: I'm not saying Rice is on that career path, but

773
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 4: just there these are factors of what the value of

774
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 4: a player is. And it's emotionally tough.

775
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's a good point to bring that up,

776
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:45,399
Speaker 3: just because it does invite a buying opportunity, Like if

777
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 3: you want to take on that risk, now is the time, right, Like,

778
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 3: I don't know what would a fair offer be at

779
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 3: this point with the off the field concerns and all

780
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 3: that stuff, like an early second maybe a late fight

781
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 3: that might get it done, and man, it may get

782
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 3: it pick usually doesn't work out anyway. And we already

783
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 3: know Rashie Rice is good, right, Like the pro route

784
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 3: numbers were off the charts. That's Pat Mahomes Like, I'm

785
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 3: kind of talking myself into to make it the trade

786
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 3: offers for Rashie Rice with that, oh, at the crossroads

787
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 3: of the career. The other thing for me that I

788
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 3: think about with the offense and kind of how it

789
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 3: sets up just from a taking off the field stuff,

790
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 3: you know, off off the conversation for a minute. It's

791
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,720
Speaker 3: like you have Exavier Worthy, you have Hollywood Brown in theory,

792
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 3: those guys can really open up the offense and underneath.

793
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 3: Last year we saw Kelsey eat and Rashie Rice eat,

794
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 3: and I think about Kelsey's rolling the offense and I've

795
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 3: already talked about it, like he's probably going to play

796
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 3: fewer snaps during the regular season and we want to

797
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 3: keep him safe for the playoffs and healthy. And it's

798
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 3: like the less that Kelsey plays, the more opportunity for

799
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 3: Rashi Rice to just be a target hog, which he

800
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 3: was at times last year underneath in an intermediate area

801
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 3: of the field where he is so good. It just

802
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 3: matches up perfectly with the personnel and how it fits.

803
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 3: And I guess I'm in on Rashi Rice is to

804
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 3: take coming here.

805
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 4: Oh no, well, could go wrong. I'm not trying to

806
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 4: talk everyone into it. I just want people like it's

807
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 4: a good it's a good just exercise. Don't just be like, hey,

808
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 4: Xavier Worthy first round pick, he's now their number one

809
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 4: wide receiver. Yeah, a reminder that they have missed on

810
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 4: a lot of players besides, I mean Rice is like

811
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 4: the biggest success as of late.

812
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 2: I think that that's a good theme for this episode

813
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 2: so far, is looking at players that we had an

814
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 2: opinion or at least you know, we're on the fence

815
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 2: and at least be able to give the other side.

816
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 2: Like I wanted to look at Jordan Adison because the

817
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 2: feeling I got was like do I really want this player?

818
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,479
Speaker 2: And going a little deeper, like here's how it could work.

819
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 2: This next tier I'm calling the old guard because all

820
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 2: of these dudes last year, if you would have traded

821
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 2: them away, you would have gotten a lot more, and

822
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 2: then they've sunk in dynasty value just from being old.

823
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 2: So a lot of guys that are old in this

824
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 2: tier right now. I have them wide receivers thirty four

825
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 2: through forty six, So Davante Adams, Mike Evans, Stefan Diggs,

826
00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 2: Mark Cooper, Cooper Cup, Christian Kirk, Terry McLaurin, Keenan Allen

827
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 2: Pour one Out, Calvin Ridley, Deontay Johnson. And then in

828
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 2: the middle of that group is a bunch of rookies

829
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 2: that were like I don't really know where to stick them,

830
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 2: Like what is Xabrie La get Ricky Pearsall, who is he?

831
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 2: How did he even get drafted in the first round?

832
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,879
Speaker 2: And then add an I Mitchell. So it's like all

833
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 2: of these guys, the old guys, and then we don't

834
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 2: know what to do with these wide receivers. So the

835
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 2: old guys is what I want to focus on, because

836
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 2: is there still something left in the tank that you

837
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 2: can trade for? And so the player that I dug

838
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 2: deep on Istefon Diggs, because my sentiment has been he's done,

839
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 2: he's out, they moved on, and so I'm going to

840
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,439
Speaker 2: give the case or at least the thought of how

841
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 2: could it work in Houston because what's been y'all's opinion

842
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 2: so far of him moving there and the off season.

843
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 4: I think there's the overall of for our shield for

844
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 4: the fantasy footballers has been far more negative than the

845
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 4: than like his ADP and the consensus, so it's been bad.

846
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mostly feel the same, just kind of in general.

847
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 3: I think, I mean, Diggs is still a very very

848
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 3: good target earner in my opinion, but it's just not

849
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 3: the same player he was, So like, how does he

850
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 3: mesh with the offense and does he line up in

851
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 3: the slot mostly at this stage of his career, and

852
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 3: do they run through wide receiver sets a ton. You'd

853
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 3: think to get these guys on the field altogether because

854
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 3: they're your best players. Like, it all makes sense to me,

855
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 3: But I just think so highly of Nico and Tank,

856
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 3: like I think those guys are both legit superstars that

857
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 3: it's tough to see how it works for all three guys.

858
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 3: In my opinion.

859
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,280
Speaker 2: It's also hard to see players that Like I remember

860
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 2: when Diggs was a rookie and fifth round pick coming

861
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 2: out of Maryland, was like, this is a fun player,

862
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 2: and in Dynasty he felt like you got somebody just

863
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 2: off the waiver wire late in your draft. And then

864
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 2: over time he just sends in this alpha You're like,

865
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 2: that is a fun Dynasty player. Now you're at the

866
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,800
Speaker 2: part of his career, it's like, oh, that was nice.

867
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 2: He's done, and you're looking at all these other younger,

868
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 2: sexier options. So I think you mentioned it bets, like

869
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 2: is he the slot wide receiver. That's kind of the

870
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 2: question that I have because Tank, you would think he

871
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 2: is smaller dude, but most of his routes were outside.

872
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:14,760
Speaker 2: He only saw one target behind the line of scrimmage.

873
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 2: So at the end of the day, I think it's

874
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:20,280
Speaker 2: Nico outside. I think and Diggs can be interchangeable. But also,

875
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 2: this team runs a ton a ton of stupid twenty

876
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 2: one personnel where they get full back on the field.

877
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 2: Andrew Beck like, it's kind of annoying. If you're playing

878
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 2: fantasy and you really watch it, you're like, why is

879
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 2: this team trying to do Kyle Yuschek over and over

880
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:36,879
Speaker 2: and over again and have a ton of snaps.

881
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:37,800
Speaker 4: Where the wide receiver?

882
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 2: Apparently I don't because it blows my mind. But also

883
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 2: it works in the NFL. So Diggs has been way

884
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 2: better when it's just two wide receivers on the field

885
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 2: because there's less competition. So this will be his biggest test.

886
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 2: So if he is the slot wide receiver and this

887
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 2: team just says, all right, we're gonna throw out some

888
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 2: of that twenty one stuff and just go for it,

889
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 2: that's fine. This is year nine for him, thirty years old.

890
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 2: But he did earn the same targets down the stretch,

891
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,439
Speaker 2: they just weren't as valuable targets. Like, he's not he's

892
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 2: not a deep threat anymore. He's not what he used

893
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 2: to be. He can get the intermediate area where he

894
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 2: was actually tied for the league lead and receiving touchdowns

895
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 2: in the eleven to nineteen areas. So he's still viable.

896
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 2: He's not toast, and I think the system can work.

897
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 2: But right now, like you don't want to trade for

898
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 2: Stefan Diggs, and if you have him, it's like, do

899
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 2: I want to get a second for Diggs? No, like

900
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 2: I want to see if I still have somebody who

901
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 2: can be top fifteen or whatever. So I'm still holding

902
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 2: on as a Diggs Dynasty manager, hoping that he's a lot.

903
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 3: Sigh confidence, just so confident. Kyle, I love it. Do

904
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 3: you still have him on your team? And Dinah Junior?

905
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:45,439
Speaker 4: Yeah?

906
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 2: I got that. Josh Allen Digs Stack year.

907
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 3: Love it.

908
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 4: Oh man.

909
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 2: I did remember us talking about Adams and Digs and

910
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 2: Cup last year and saying, like, okay, they still time.

911
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 2: I mean Cooper Cup in redraft, what was a top

912
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,919
Speaker 2: five pick, like he was going as like a wide

913
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 2: receiver two.

914
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 4: Or three early, but before the ankle injury, the training

915
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 4: camp injury.

916
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 2: We didn't know Pooka even existed. So there was a

917
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 2: point with these guys in Dynasty where you could have

918
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 2: gotten a haul and a year later it's like you're

919
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 2: not getting that for Adams, You're not getting that for

920
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 2: cup or Digs. So that's kind of my biggest lesson

921
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,720
Speaker 2: in this tier is you'd rather be a year early.

922
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 2: I think with Mike Evans, we feel good about him

923
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 2: getting the bag and securing a couple more years. But

924
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 2: Calvin Ridley, speaking of bags, he's twenty nine. He feels

925
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 2: like he should still be twenty five or twenty six.

926
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 2: So Betts talked to me about if that could even

927
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 2: work and with the Titans and is he even their

928
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 2: best wide receiver.

929
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 3: I'm not sure, man, I don't know. I mean, if

930
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,720
Speaker 3: you look at the numbers from last year, basically everything

931
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 3: is going to tell you that DeAndre Hopkins, who you

932
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 3: know was thirty two years old, so he's older, is

933
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 3: just producing at a higher level on a per rout

934
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,720
Speaker 3: basis than Calvin Ridley. And you looked a lot about

935
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 3: what levis at the top of the show and watching

936
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 3: some of his tape. It's a wild ride, and really

937
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 3: the numbers like support it was truly awful. Like among

938
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 3: forty eight quarterbacks with the one hundred plus dropbacks last year,

939
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 3: thirty first, and EPA thirtieth, and past rating forty second

940
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 3: and catchable target rate. So like we're asking a lot

941
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 3: for Calvin Ridley to, you know, change teams at the

942
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 3: stage of his career, go compete with Jonder Hopkins for

943
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 3: targets and have a quarterback take a huge step forward

944
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 3: who was really really not good last year. So I

945
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 3: get the contract is great. You know, it's nice to

946
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 3: have that financial security on your roster. I think when

947
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 3: we look back in the offseason after this year and

948
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 3: we're talking about the Titans and we're talking about that

949
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 3: contract that gave to Calvin Ridley, I really see it

950
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 3: as a situation where we're like, dude, what was that deal?

951
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 3: And now we're talking about a player who's declining entering

952
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 3: his age thirty season. He turns thirty in December, and

953
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 3: you know, he had that one year with the Falcons

954
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 3: where he was unbelievable. I'll give him that, right, two

955
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,760
Speaker 3: point four to four yards through out run off the charts.

956
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 3: But in his career, I mean he's only played five

957
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 3: seasons and one of them was shortened, so it's like

958
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 3: four and a half, but one point five seven yards

959
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 3: through round a year ago it's fine one point four

960
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 3: to three of the year before, it's fine one point six,

961
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 3: nine point seven to seven. In his other seasons, he's

962
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 3: had one really good year, and I just think the

963
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 3: name value carries so much that I'm kind of out

964
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 3: at this point. I see his value declining. I'm not

965
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 3: really in redraft leagues, I'm not really in in dynasty.

966
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 3: I just don't see it as a perfect fit. And

967
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 3: I think it's a player that, like I said, we're

968
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 3: hanging on to the name value a little bit here

969
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 3: when truthfully hasn't been that good on a per oup basis.

970
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 2: You have to do this weird dance where you're blending

971
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 2: Calvin Ridley from the Jaguars. So we're not you know,

972
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 2: like you said with the Falcons, it was cool, it

973
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 2: was fun, great rookie year, great couple of years there.

974
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 2: But you're blending here from the Jaguars. You're taking Will

975
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 2: Levis who played in an offense that was Derrick Henry right,

976
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 2: like it was just not fit for him. And then

977
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 2: you're bringing it all together with Brian Callahan who brings

978
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 2: the Cincinnati offense, so you're really taking three offenses and

979
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 2: asking can it work and what you're gonna see is

980
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 2: a ton of shotgun, which is great. I think Levis

981
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 2: is better in that, and just let him sling it,

982
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 2: just go for it. And you saw Hopkins come up

983
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 2: with a ton of awesome highlight reel catches. The problem

984
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 2: is Will Levison shotgun last year, guys, I hate to

985
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 2: tell you this. It wasn't great, Like that's the system

986
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 2: we're gonna get. But he was twenty eighth out of

987
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 2: thirty four quarterbacks and fancy points per drop back and

988
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 2: then here's the worst. He was dead last than off

989
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:33,240
Speaker 2: target rate. So it's like a lot of targets didn't

990
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:37,879
Speaker 2: really matter. So I worry about Ridley. I think he'll

991
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 2: be fine in terms of staying in this tier at

992
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 2: least one more year. But I think it's really hard.

993
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 2: I mean last year, what he had five games. We

994
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 2: can look at his game logs, but I think it

995
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 2: was like five good games and the rest killed your team,

996
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 2: especially because week one was a tease.

997
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 3: Yep, a huge We went right from training camp. This

998
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 3: guy looks incredible in camp. We've never seen anybody around

999
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 3: drills this this way, which she was running them next

1000
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 3: to a Jones, So it's not shocking that he looked.

1001
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 2: Why Isay Jones got to catch?

1002
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 3: So sorry, says dude, hat tip to say, right, his

1003
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 3: career was off the rails. He came back, he's been productive,

1004
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 3: so hat tips today. But and then he had raiders

1005
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 3: right in training camp he was incredible, and then the

1006
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 3: truth kind of came out of course down the stretch.

1007
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't know, man, I just I think

1008
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 3: his value is going to sink. Like we're talking about

1009
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,399
Speaker 3: a player next year that we're The conversation is, well,

1010
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 3: he's thirty, who's the quarterback? He's going to be thirty

1011
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 3: one in December. I just think it's a good time

1012
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 3: to get out.

1013
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 2: All right, let's take one more break and we'll get

1014
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:47,280
Speaker 2: to some more tears. We are moving on. I'm calling

1015
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 2: it Tier seven Young and hung gray because there's a

1016
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 2: bunch of young dudes here that were drafted a little

1017
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 2: bit later. A couple of names in here we were like, okay,

1018
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 2: still young, don't know what to do with Jameson Williams,

1019
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 2: Christian Watson and how but Jermaine Burton, Roman Wilson, Troy Franklin,

1020
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 2: who I think just slowly but surely has just been

1021
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:13,280
Speaker 2: dying in best ball drafts, just like off a cliff uh.

1022
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 2: And then Jolin Polk is an interesting name to put

1023
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 2: in this list too. I've heard both.

1024
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 4: No, no, we don't, we don't. Look, we don't. Just

1025
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 4: just move on from those things.

1026
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,280
Speaker 2: What is this Jo Polk or Jalen Polk?

1027
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 4: I've never heard it. John, Like there's there's a controversy.

1028
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 2: Here, I'm going to create one. Now, did you just

1029
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 2: take this?

1030
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 4: I want to get it right. I want to get

1031
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 4: it right.

1032
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 2: Here's so many things I don't know what's right anymore.

1033
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,359
Speaker 2: I'm bound to mess up, mess it up. But let's

1034
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 2: go with Jollin right now.

1035
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 4: I think, okay, drop your bit, Kyle, what how do

1036
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 4: I don't know? All right?

1037
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 2: J j'all rule Polk?

1038
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 4: No you can't. That name is taken. That was a coach, all.

1039
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 2: Right, So young dudes in here. And then we talked

1040
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 2: James Williams a lot. So I don't know if we

1041
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 2: need to do that. I think we've had like two

1042
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 2: or three episodes where we cover jameson Williams.

1043
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 4: Well, I can give you just a quick go for it.

1044
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,839
Speaker 4: So what I've done with the running backs, I'm also

1045
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:21,359
Speaker 4: starting to do that now with the wide receivers. And

1046
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 4: so since twenty fourteen, we have fifty three in the

1047
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 4: sample size who have hit a top twenty four season.

1048
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 4: The amount of the fifty three that their first time

1049
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 4: doing it was in year three. That's what we're in

1050
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 4: for Jamison Williams right now. Is that correct year three?

1051
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 4: It's twelve of the fifty three, and four of those

1052
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 4: would have been first round picks. Which so I mean

1053
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:51,320
Speaker 4: like you had Jerry, Judy Brandon, I Yuk, Hollywood Brown,

1054
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 4: and Nelson Agalore. The goat was snuck and all three

1055
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 4: of them, by the way, they well, I Yuk was okay,

1056
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 4: but the other one is just they barely snuck in.

1057
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 4: So just saying historically it's it's not looking good.

1058
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, famous last words, I'm betting against it.

1059
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 4: We talked about it a lot against him, or you're

1060
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 4: betting against the history and you're going to be in

1061
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 4: on Jamison.

1062
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 2: I'm betting against Williams.

1063
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,879
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, I think he is, and we talked about

1064
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 3: him a ton on the show. I just I think

1065
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 3: he is perfect for this offense. Fills a need, is

1066
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 3: going to stretch the field, It's going to have some

1067
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 3: splash plays.

1068
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 2: It's a fifth target on this offense.

1069
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 3: But is probably the at best fourth right, Like, if

1070
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:37,839
Speaker 3: Gibbs takes a step forward as a pass catcher, I'm

1071
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 3: if the port is healthy. I just don't see how

1072
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 3: it works. So I'm out.

1073
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 2: It's a good thing that Jared Goff throws it deep

1074
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 2: a ton, you know, the lowest percentage in the league.

1075
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 2: So it's like the targets we want, he's not throwing them.

1076
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 2: So then it's like, Okay, I wanted to get open,

1077
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 2: it gets zone and intermediate, It's like, doesn't it just

1078
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 2: doesn't go there. The ball hasn't gone there, and that's

1079
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 2: where they were successful last year. Could it be different, Yes,

1080
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,359
Speaker 2: they could change, they can morph, But I think he's

1081
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 2: going to be one of those players you're like, Okay,

1082
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 2: he kind of touchdown this week, Okay, two weeks from now,

1083
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 2: he ruined my team. And he's still holding value though,

1084
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 2: Like I think people view him higher than where we

1085
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 2: have him ranked right now. We haven't met wide receiver

1086
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,800
Speaker 2: fifty in Dynasty. We can check where the pulse is,

1087
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 2: but I feel like it's a little higher.

1088
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's wild the people holding on to

1089
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 4: Jamison's because that's what you're doing At this point, you're

1090
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 4: holding onto your evaluation of him before he was an

1091
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 4: NFL player, And again he has the traits like it

1092
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 4: can work. But that's the Jamison Williams Truthers. It's it's

1093
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 4: tough right now, it's tough in the streets.

1094
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 2: I'll compare him to a player that I'd rather have

1095
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 2: in Dynasty same year in the league, Christian Watson.

1096
00:53:58,160 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 4: I'd rather have Watson.

1097
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:01,320
Speaker 2: I'd rather have Watson at least take the chance, because

1098
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 2: one I think the offense can actually use him. He

1099
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 2: was the one if you look at just when he

1100
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 2: was on the field, Yeah, from a target share. Now,

1101
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 2: I don't have a medical degree, but I do have

1102
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:14,439
Speaker 2: a list of every single injury that he's ever had,

1103
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 2: going back a really long way. So bets you tell me,

1104
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 2: I'm not going to read the list, but like, is

1105
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 2: he finally healthy? I need to know, like personally.

1106
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 3: So he's interesting, right, and my comp for him and

1107
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 3: just how he's viewed in fantasy football world's not necessarily

1108
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 3: the same injuries, well to some degree it is, but

1109
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 3: not necessarily the same complete injury history. But just most recently,

1110
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 3: do you guys remember the two or three years where

1111
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 3: we got burned over and over and over again by

1112
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 3: will Fuller, and then it got to a point where

1113
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 3: everyone was like, oh, yeah, I'm out. Oh I'm not

1114
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:49,399
Speaker 3: doing this no matter what the price is, i am

1115
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 3: just out. And it's like, well, hold on, he's going

1116
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 3: in the eighth round or the ninth round. The risk

1117
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 3: is already baked in. A Deshaun Watson was good at

1118
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 3: that point. Why why don't we just dip our toes

1119
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 3: back in and see what happens. And to me, that

1120
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 3: feels like the exact same thing with Christian Watson where

1121
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 3: he's produced, right, he's produced on an NFL field. Yes,

1122
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 3: he's struggled with injury. But this is one of my

1123
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 3: things I'm looking at in my article is like this

1124
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:15,800
Speaker 3: guy in redraft league is going in the ninth round

1125
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 3: currently over on sleeper, and it's like man in a

1126
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:21,240
Speaker 3: redraft league, like there's no downside, like just just jump

1127
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 3: in and if it doesn't work, like you know, you

1128
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 3: move on. So it's a different conversation for Dynasty, But

1129
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 3: I do think I've come around to the idea of like,

1130
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 3: I think the risk is baked in not only in

1131
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 3: redraft ADP but dynasty trade markets. Everyone was so hype

1132
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 3: for Watson last year and now everyone's like, I don't know,

1133
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 3: man on Tavian Wicks is the hotness like Davian Wicks

1134
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 3: or Jayden Reid who like.

1135
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 4: The hotness because he's the lowest value y.

1136
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 3: Yeah for sure. But and I think just to take

1137
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 3: a step back from like the injury standpoint too, Like

1138
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 3: if the Packers are a little bit concerned about his

1139
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 3: injury profile and his history, they do have everything in

1140
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 3: place to make it work. Like maybe he's not a

1141
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:00,399
Speaker 3: ninety percent snap guy, right, Like they can rote guys,

1142
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,760
Speaker 3: they can get other guys in and make it all work.

1143
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:04,760
Speaker 3: But I just think it's out of point now where

1144
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 3: I'm willing to buy back in because I think the

1145
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 3: risk is already baked in enough to his ADP.

1146
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, through two years, his targets per out run is

1147
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 2: twenty two percent, so it's very very good. Yards per

1148
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 2: out run is one point nine to one, so he's

1149
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 2: hitting above the thresholds I care about. Through two years now,

1150
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 2: a lot of the targets have been deep downfield stuff.

1151
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 2: Twelve touchdowns on just sixty nine receptions. It's really hard

1152
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 2: to look at other players and use that type of rate,

1153
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 2: But I think that's the kind of player we're getting, right,

1154
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 2: It's this big play guy. I did look up his

1155
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 2: catchable deep targets last year. It was eighth worse, so

1156
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 2: that the deep targets he got only forty seven percent

1157
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,760
Speaker 2: of them were catchable. Romeo Dobbs, same offense, same everything,

1158
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 2: seventy five percent of them were catchable. That was the

1159
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:48,319
Speaker 2: fourth best. So that's some weird variance. I think year

1160
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 2: to know that changes. And then my biggest question is

1161
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 2: two wide sets? Is he on the field there? Because

1162
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 2: Jaden Reid I looked this up. He ran two routes

1163
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 2: last year with two wide receivers on the field too.

1164
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 4: That's wild, Yeah, that is wild.

1165
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 2: And yet Jane Reed was targeted and down the stretch

1166
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 2: was like their debo, right, their debo light of just

1167
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 2: all over the field. So I can't argue against Jane

1168
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 2: Reed not being when he's on the field. He's awesome

1169
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 2: on a per route basis. But Christian Watson is the

1170
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 2: deep tar guy. I just think you can make a

1171
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 2: case for Watson, for Reed, for Dobbs, for Wicks and

1172
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 2: even the butterman Bo Melton, like you could really make

1173
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 2: a case for all of these dudes, But I think

1174
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 2: I just like Watson a lot. I think he's too cheap,

1175
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 2: and would you rather have Watson.

1176
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 3: Or a second Watson?

1177
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 4: Watson?

1178
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 2: Okay, I think that's the price what you can get. Like,

1179
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 2: nobody's gonna ask you for a first for Christian Watson

1180
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 2: right now, so I think you can kind of make

1181
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 2: that trade and ask yourself, like the guys that are

1182
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 2: in this tier that I mentioned were guys you've took

1183
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 2: in your second round of your rookie draft, Roman Wilson, would

1184
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 2: you rather have Roman Wilson or Christian Watson Watson E Watson, Yeah, okay,

1185
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 2: Troy Franklin, I think we'd all say Christian Watson over him.

1186
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah.

1187
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 2: What about Jermaine Burton, I think.

1188
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 4: Watson, oh man, that one is.

1189
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 2: A year from now. We could have a different conversation before.

1190
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that and that's that's everything to me on

1191
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 4: Jermaine Burton is next year. Like just going through a

1192
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 4: scenario of this year. Many scenarios we live in the multiverse,

1193
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 4: but in the scenario where Joe Burrow is back and

1194
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow puts up the numbers that he had put

1195
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 4: up the two years where he had the you know,

1196
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 4: huge seasons, he puts those up and t Higgins is gone,

1197
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 4: Like it doesn't matter. It literally doesn't matter what Jermaine

1198
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 4: Burton had done to that point because his value will

1199
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 4: just skyrocket. So that's why I'm it's I'm hesitant of.

1200
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 4: And look, there's a there to me. Honestly, there still

1201
00:58:54,160 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 4: is that small percentage chance that the Bengals all sing

1202
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 4: Kumbaya together and they figure it out and they figured

1203
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 4: out how to get te Higgins' money. Like, I'm not

1204
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 4: completely ruling that out, even though that seems like the

1205
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 4: high probability of things. The high highest probability taking place

1206
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 4: is Higgins leaves and then Burton's value skyrockets. So again

1207
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 4: that's a that's a huge word salad of saying Burton

1208
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 4: versus Christian Watson, I think is an extremely difficult decision

1209
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 4: because if just play it out, Okay, let's play it

1210
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 4: out that way. T Higgins is gone, Joe Burrow was

1211
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 4: super good this year. Next year, how do you envision

1212
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 4: you you feel like you're gonna have Burton ranked higher

1213
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 4: than Christian Watson, because I think I would.

1214
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 2: I think you're still you still might be looking at

1215
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 2: potential for him, like where you're still like baking him,

1216
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 2: like I think this is what he can become.

1217
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 4: So you're a hater. I'm gonna go to bets on

1218
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 4: this question because he was team.

1219
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 2: But the problem is is that you know deep targets

1220
00:59:57,520 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 2: and Joe Burrow isn't even their best quarterback like that.

1221
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, God, Kyle got me.

1222
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 3: Stop it, Mike. I don't know if you've heard, but

1223
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 3: Kyle's come around to Jermaine Burton as a best ball

1224
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 3: pick this year, which makes me very happy to hear.

1225
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 2: He's he's funny board.

1226
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 3: But I'm with you, like I I do think that

1227
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 3: there's a world where like that all happens and we're

1228
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 3: like Burton could be the two. But then you're gonna

1229
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 3: be sweating the NFL draft, like if they Losey Higgins

1230
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 3: and Burton is like fine but not great for sure.

1231
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 3: If he's just a situational deep threat and can't really

1232
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 3: earn his way on the field as like a legit

1233
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 3: starting NFL player, then you have a situation of like

1234
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 3: what is his role in the offense? You know, So

1235
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 3: that kind of creates it. So I have no idea

1236
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 3: where his value he's going to go. I think we

1237
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 3: all agree on that. With with Jermaine Burton, I was

1238
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 3: so in on him in Dynasty rookie season because his

1239
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 3: price was so cheap. But just talking about these two players,

1240
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 3: usually all side with the guy that's like showing it

1241
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 3: on the field and produced. So that's why Leen Watson.

1242
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 3: But I could see a world where Burton's value is

1243
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 3: much higher next year.

1244
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's that world. And you can envision a world

1245
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 4: for the Green Bay Packers where we're all I mean,

1246
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 4: we have debated every single wide receiver on their roster,

1247
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 4: like there's a world where it's just hey, all the

1248
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 4: green Bay Packers wide receivers are usable for fantasy football,

1249
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:19,959
Speaker 4: but there is no true number one.

1250
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 2: I'm gonna move to the final tier here of our

1251
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 2: top sixty wide receivers in Dynasty, and I'm calling it

1252
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 2: who knows in twenty twenty five because there's a bunch

1253
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 2: of dudes that I have no idea, but I want

1254
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:34,960
Speaker 2: to list their name and I want to see if

1255
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 2: her on the same page because there's really only one

1256
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 2: name on here. I can see like move up a

1257
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 2: couple tiers and and I could be way wrong, but

1258
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 2: down here we have Hollywood Brown, Josh Downs, Johan Dotson,

1259
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 2: Courtland Sutton, DeAndre Hopkins, Gabe Davis, rest in peace, and

1260
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 2: Romeo Dobbs.

1261
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 4: So he's filthy rich.

1262
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 3: Now three years, I'm thirty mil for Gabe. Okay, see

1263
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 3: you watch yourself, Kyle.

1264
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 2: He's gonna be a fun player like he like the

1265
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:07,479
Speaker 2: thing about Gabe Davis, especially in Fantasy World, He's gonna

1266
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 2: be a thing like five years from now, you guys

1267
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 2: remember Gabe Davis and we're gonna have fun with it,

1268
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 2: Like he's a fun player.

1269
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:15,000
Speaker 4: Where is he going in basketball? Because I feel like

1270
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 4: the sentiment around Gabe Davis.

1271
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:20,080
Speaker 2: It's bad, it's it's it's pushways somewhere on there.

1272
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 4: The the way we're playing this is that they just

1273
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 4: threw all that money in the garbage, Like the team

1274
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 4: has absolutely no idea what they're doing and they gave

1275
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:35,240
Speaker 4: that because because they signed a rookie in the first

1276
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:40,240
Speaker 4: round of the draft. It's and I'm not look, I'm

1277
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 4: not caping here for Gabe Davis, just pointing out that

1278
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 4: that's that usually seems like a discrepancy that we need

1279
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 4: to examine.

1280
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 3: What's wild with the Calvin Eardley thing. No one expected

1281
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 3: him to leave, right, Like I think Jacksonville is like

1282
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 3: we're getting him back, like we'll sign him two or

1283
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 3: three year whatever. But like I think in heinstt they're like,

1284
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 3: we shouldn't Gabe all that money, like we could have

1285
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 3: used that for con And I truthfully think Gabe is

1286
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 3: going to be on the first team All Partier this year.

1287
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 3: Just win sprints left and right down the field.

1288
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. The problem with Davis and Brian Thomas is they

1289
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 2: just never earn targets. I know you're comparing college stuff,

1290
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 2: but like they don't earn targets the way that Christian

1291
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 2: Kirk and Evan Ingram do. So I just worry about

1292
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 2: how the offense is gonna function. Where you do have

1293
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 2: a lot of nine routes from Gabe Davis and he

1294
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 2: knows how to do it though. That's the best part.

1295
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 2: This dude knows how to run straight down the field

1296
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 2: and have a four touchdown game.

1297
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 1: Though.

1298
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's legendary stuff. Bets that changed your

1299
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 2: life with DFS.

1300
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 3: That was a pretty pretty sweet moment in the fantas

1301
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 3: football world. For Gabe Davis. That was his his high

1302
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 3: and I don't think we'll ever get close to anything

1303
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:49,080
Speaker 3: back to that. But hey, everyone has their day, Kyle.

1304
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 2: All right, So the wide receivers are listed, Is there

1305
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 2: one in here? Because I have one that could jump

1306
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 2: a tier two after this year?

1307
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 3: I mean, you're gonna talk John Dotson, are you?

1308
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:07,440
Speaker 2: He's the only one I can see? Oh no, if Yle, No,

1309
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 2: if I had to pick one, if that's the exercise,

1310
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 2: you have to pick one.

1311
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 4: Oh no.

1312
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 3: I mean if I had to pick one, and I

1313
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 3: don't really think this is how I feel, But if

1314
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 3: I was, like, you're forcing me to pick one of

1315
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 3: these guys, I do see a world where it works

1316
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 3: for Hollywood and he gets a bag of mine next year.

1317
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 3: I'm not on that side, but I see that it exists, right,

1318
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 3: Like it's like, oh, this guy's playing with Patrick Mahomes.

1319
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:31,440
Speaker 3: He just played with Josh Obbs last year. No wonder

1320
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 3: his numbers were better. I see the simplest case for it.

1321
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 3: But you and I and you know, we talked a

1322
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:37,480
Speaker 3: lot Kyle about his numbers against zone and how he's

1323
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:39,480
Speaker 3: not really fitting today's NFL and that sort of thing.

1324
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:42,240
Speaker 3: So I'm not on that side, but I see that path.

1325
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 3: So if I was going to pick one, he'd be

1326
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 3: the one for me.

1327
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 2: Mike.

1328
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 4: Oh man, if I have to pick one that's going

1329
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 4: to take it to your jump, come on, come on,

1330
01:04:56,840 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 4: it's probably it's probably Daubs. I'm just I'm just, I'm

1331
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 4: I'm infatuated. I'm infatuated with with the Packers wide receivers.

1332
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 4: Of again, I'm trying to lay out all the different cases,

1333
01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:16,920
Speaker 4: but like part of I think the allure of the

1334
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:21,160
Speaker 4: Packers wide receivers is that other than Jayden Reied, they're

1335
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 4: all so cheap in terms of their value, like and

1336
01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 4: there there is a world where one of them really

1337
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:31,040
Speaker 4: takes off and becomes the true guy for Jordan Love.

1338
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 4: So if I got to pick anyone out of this one, like,

1339
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 4: I feel like we should at least talk about Josh Downs.

1340
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 1: Like.

1341
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 4: He's he feels like he was just completely left for

1342
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 4: no one. No one ever talks about Josh Downs.

1343
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 2: Okay, So it's so funny. I don't know if you

1344
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 2: remember our rookie show last year, Jason.

1345
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:54,240
Speaker 4: Hated Oh yeah, he hated Josh Downs.

1346
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 2: He hated Josh Downs to the point of, like, you know,

1347
01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 2: just taking it way too far. I mean, it hurt

1348
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 2: me because he's George Boy, and I liked him for

1349
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 2: that reason. You and see guy and I was in

1350
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:07,840
Speaker 2: on him. Now I've flipped where Jason I think has

1351
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 2: liked him more and all.

1352
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 4: That's hilarious.

1353
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 2: So anti downs this whole offseason. We've talked about him

1354
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:13,439
Speaker 2: in Best Ball.

1355
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 4: I will say for Josh Doawns look to me. You

1356
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 4: can look at you can go glass half full or

1357
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 4: half empty. You can look at what he did last

1358
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 4: year where he had like a month run where wide

1359
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 4: receiver eighteen twenty nine, three thirty five, Like that's a

1360
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 4: good run in a rookie year. But that was in

1361
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 4: the middle and it ended very poorly. So for you

1362
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:43,920
Speaker 4: to put that on the field and then nothing changes

1363
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:46,960
Speaker 4: in the positive for you as a player, actually goes

1364
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 4: really really bad at the end. And I know he was.

1365
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:52,240
Speaker 4: He was banged up. You know we had that Week nine.

1366
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 4: Let's see what he hurt his knee. I don't know

1367
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 4: if that was the reason, but yeah, I mean, I

1368
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:00,520
Speaker 4: mean I just wanted to talk. Yeah, I don't know

1369
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 4: that we've talked about it. I figured it out. I'm out.

1370
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:05,840
Speaker 3: I do think that knee injury was more serious than

1371
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 3: people let on. There was like reports about it of

1372
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 3: like he's managing it for like months, So I think

1373
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 3: at least in part you can explain that I'm back in.

1374
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 3: So I'm back in.

1375
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 2: But his knee is really weak. It's really weak.

1376
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:18,320
Speaker 4: Back out.

1377
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 3: Oh, come on, Kyle. I think he's a talented player,

1378
01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 3: Like we saw flashes of it as a rookie and

1379
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:27,400
Speaker 3: you're like, okay, your two player. That's generally what we

1380
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:30,600
Speaker 3: look for. The tough part for me is like this team,

1381
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:33,600
Speaker 3: as Jonathan Taylor finally now healthy and contract in the

1382
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 3: in the rearview mirror, Anthon Richds is gonna run a

1383
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:38,440
Speaker 3: ton and Michael Pittman is the RPO guy. So it's like,

1384
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:42,640
Speaker 3: where is their volume for both Adie Mitchell and him

1385
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:45,960
Speaker 3: to actually succeed for fantasy assuming Pittman is healthy. So

1386
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 3: I kind of feel like he's like a fine PPR

1387
01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 3: bench wide receiver to have that I'd be happy to have,

1388
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 3: but I don't really see him being a true breakout

1389
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:54,960
Speaker 3: guy this year.

1390
01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the Colts offense, which is basically just

1391
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:02,400
Speaker 2: the Eagles offense that's where Shane Steggen's from, It never

1392
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:05,240
Speaker 2: really is funneled through the slot. And what if I

1393
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 2: told you, Mike, this is the whay you're right here.

1394
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:09,480
Speaker 2: What if I told you he ran eight total routes

1395
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:14,560
Speaker 2: last year with two wide receivers in the field downs? Yeah, yeah,

1396
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:16,760
Speaker 2: that's I mean, that's just the question is like how

1397
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:18,040
Speaker 2: much is gonna be on the field, how much is

1398
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:20,639
Speaker 2: gonna get peppered? When it was Gardner a lot of times,

1399
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:22,280
Speaker 2: So that's kind of my question. And then in this

1400
01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:25,760
Speaker 2: with Dotson, I don't know, but at least there's some

1401
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:28,720
Speaker 2: varials with jayde Daniels and that's what I like. It's

1402
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:31,880
Speaker 2: better than Sam Howell. I think we'd all agree that.

1403
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,640
Speaker 2: Jane Daniels, I mean, that's that's a huge revelation, I know,

1404
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 2: for all of us, might be better than Sam Howell.

1405
01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe you guys.

1406
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 2: Don't even like my that's a great point. It's a

1407
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:46,439
Speaker 2: really thought out, deep point. Had wide receiver.

1408
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 4: It's really hard to hear you talk about Dotson and

1409
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:50,799
Speaker 4: take things seriously.

1410
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:52,760
Speaker 3: Didn't you tell us he was a good trade for it?

1411
01:08:55,280 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 2: All right? Next segment, take it or leave it? All right,

1412
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:05,080
Speaker 2: let's just finish out with a couple of quick takes

1413
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:07,840
Speaker 2: that won't be about Johan Dotson, but of all the

1414
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:10,320
Speaker 2: players we talked about today, who are you most afraid

1415
01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:13,080
Speaker 2: of dropping in value and who will gain the most values?

1416
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:15,760
Speaker 2: So a couple of quick hitters here, bets, just just

1417
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 2: go for it.

1418
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:18,120
Speaker 3: You didn't even see the show doc. You just said

1419
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 3: we're not gonna talk about Deshaun Dotson. But I was

1420
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:22,120
Speaker 3: ready for you to come on and be like, this

1421
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:23,559
Speaker 3: is the time to bouy value.

1422
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 2: He's already left for dead.

1423
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:29,599
Speaker 3: Here's the thing with Yeah, Okay, last year was terrible,

1424
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:31,120
Speaker 3: no one, you don't need us to tell you that. Like,

1425
01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:33,640
Speaker 3: obviously it was bad, but like zero point eight two

1426
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 3: yards thro out run. He earned a target on just

1427
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:38,120
Speaker 3: over twelve percent of his routes. That is backup numbers

1428
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 3: in terms of how I performed. Now he will start

1429
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:41,439
Speaker 3: for this team. I'm not saying that, but just like

1430
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:43,280
Speaker 3: as a talent on the field last year, that's how

1431
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 3: bad it was. And then I took a step back

1432
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:47,599
Speaker 3: and I was like, okay, as a rookie, like were

1433
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:49,760
Speaker 3: we just fooled? Like did we actually get fooled as

1434
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 3: a rookie? Because most of his production was propped up

1435
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:55,120
Speaker 3: by touchdowns just over five hundred yards seven touchdowns on

1436
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 3: like thirty five catches not sustainable, and then we saw

1437
01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:00,439
Speaker 3: a huge aggression last year. But like peel back to

1438
01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:02,639
Speaker 3: curtain one point three nine yards out run as a rookie,

1439
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:06,759
Speaker 3: fourteen fourteen nine percent targets throughout run as a rookie.

1440
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 3: I'm a big fan of ESPN's open score, looking at

1441
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:13,000
Speaker 3: just you know, just does the player create separation? Are

1442
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 3: they getting in a position for their quarterback to succeed?

1443
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:18,639
Speaker 3: He's been right next to Gabe Davis the last two years,

1444
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:21,720
Speaker 3: so yeah, I'm just like, I get that he was

1445
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:23,640
Speaker 3: a first round talent and I did like him as

1446
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:25,120
Speaker 3: a rookie, but I'm just kind of taking a step

1447
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:28,160
Speaker 3: back and being like, are we just ignoring last year

1448
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:30,800
Speaker 3: and like trying to move on past it? Because there

1449
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:33,640
Speaker 3: was numbers from his rookie year that say maybe he

1450
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:35,920
Speaker 3: was valued too highly, and I'm starting to think that's

1451
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 3: the key. So if it doesn't go well this year,

1452
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:42,439
Speaker 3: his value is done. It's gone.

1453
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:46,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm done, Mike, You got any names you want

1454
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:47,080
Speaker 2: to mention?

1455
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:50,720
Speaker 4: Just the one I'm terrified of losing value because that's

1456
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:53,719
Speaker 4: how the question was phrased to me, and it's Garrett

1457
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 4: Wilson of if we have if if something goes wrong.

1458
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 2: This year, I've been bringing up the down case. Bets

1459
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:03,360
Speaker 2: has been the other side.

1460
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 4: Because like both are I think worth talking about of.

1461
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:15,160
Speaker 4: Garrett Wilson is a great player. He's a great wide receiver.

1462
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:18,040
Speaker 4: He can get open, he can make very difficult catches.

1463
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:21,679
Speaker 4: So if everything goes honky Dora with Aaron Rodgers here,

1464
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:25,800
Speaker 4: he will return value. He'll come through. But as we saw,

1465
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:32,479
Speaker 4: there's like it can go really bad, and I just

1466
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:37,280
Speaker 4: it is scary to look at that that of what

1467
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:39,880
Speaker 4: could happen with his career and what his value is

1468
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:42,599
Speaker 4: in dynasty of thinking you have a locked in top

1469
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:46,800
Speaker 4: ten guy for multiple years and not actually getting it

1470
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:48,320
Speaker 4: would be terrible.

1471
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:51,240
Speaker 2: Would it help you to know that I'm in the

1472
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 2: middle of the Garrett Wilson every single target that he's

1473
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:55,120
Speaker 2: had in the NFL.

1474
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:57,680
Speaker 4: Thread, I'm happy to hear about it.

1475
01:11:58,120 --> 01:12:00,840
Speaker 2: Man. It's it's rough, Like a couple time Zach Wilson

1476
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 2: throws the ball one hundred miles an hour at him

1477
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:06,160
Speaker 2: and it is nowhere close to him, but he throws

1478
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:07,480
Speaker 2: it really hard.

1479
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:08,880
Speaker 4: Right, But I'm saying, like when you're watching it or

1480
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:13,519
Speaker 4: you're like that a better pass and that's an easy reception.

1481
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 2: I think what my takeaway so far has been, he

1482
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:20,200
Speaker 2: moves differently like Garrett Wilson, just moves differently, and that's

1483
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:23,519
Speaker 2: something overall that is an alpha trade. I think that's

1484
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:24,479
Speaker 2: what you're saying, Bets.

1485
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:27,160
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I mean he's he's just that good, right,

1486
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:29,680
Speaker 3: Like there's no question, no one's denying that. It's just

1487
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:33,120
Speaker 3: the systemic risks with the Jets that I think, Like

1488
01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:36,599
Speaker 3: last year, people were like, this is gonna work. And yes,

1489
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:39,120
Speaker 3: of course no one saw Aaron Rodgers tearing his achilles

1490
01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:42,240
Speaker 3: in Week one. But we're having the same exact conversation

1491
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:43,800
Speaker 3: this year. We're like, this is gonna work. Like it's

1492
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:44,840
Speaker 3: it's fine, it's gonna work.

1493
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, and there's a quarterbacking question is on a repaired achilles.

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01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:54,479
Speaker 3: And in Egypt, and so who knows, right. I see

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01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:56,400
Speaker 3: where it goes so well for the Jets and they

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01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:59,559
Speaker 3: compete for the division. I also see a scenario where

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01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:02,520
Speaker 3: like they want seven games again, you know, so I

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01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 3: I see both sides.

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Speaker 2: I'm just gonna quickly mention Cooper cup I'm scared that

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01:13:08,280 --> 01:13:10,760
Speaker 2: a year from now, not only is he gonna lose value,

1501
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 2: but like he's like, eh, I'm good. I don't have

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01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:15,200
Speaker 2: to do the NFL anymore. And Sean McVay does the

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01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 2: same thing, So that's that's a fear. Love Cooper Cup.

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01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:21,000
Speaker 4: And then he's trying to take over our jobs. Guys.

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01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:22,479
Speaker 4: He's doing podcasting now.

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01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 2: And he started a coffee company. I mean, props to him.

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01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:27,360
Speaker 2: I mean he's he's a fan of us, right.

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01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:30,439
Speaker 4: Hey, cash in bro got it. Yeah, we love Cooper Cup.

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01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:33,439
Speaker 2: And then, uh, I just want to mention Jason because

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01:13:33,479 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 2: I've been doing some digger loser.

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01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:36,840
Speaker 4: You have him in gain you.

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01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:38,559
Speaker 2: Like he's going to gain value, Like I think he's

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01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:42,880
Speaker 2: going to be good. That's that's how we're looking at it.

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01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:47,240
Speaker 4: Right, Jason is like the worst player to talk about

1515
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 4: because they're like, there's nothing, there's it's just literally nothing.

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01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:56,439
Speaker 4: This of last year was brutal, and you're like, but

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01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:59,439
Speaker 4: he's a I believe him, and as a prospect, maybe

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01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:01,439
Speaker 4: the team is a little bit better. Tyler Lockett's a

1519
01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:07,200
Speaker 4: year older, like talking into existence, the path forward is

1520
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:10,600
Speaker 4: such this tiny, little narrow beam mode you stay on

1521
01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:15,680
Speaker 4: the field, and yet he seemed like he should be

1522
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:19,040
Speaker 4: one of the next big things in the NFL and

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01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:21,639
Speaker 4: betting on that field is bad right now.

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01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:24,160
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm not saying you need to go trade for him.

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01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:26,559
Speaker 2: I'm saying if you have him, don't sell home.

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01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:28,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you have Jason, I'm holding Oh.

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01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 2: I got we got so many offers down with that ship.

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01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:34,759
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, No, like he's gonna be on the field

1529
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:37,160
Speaker 2: three wide receiver sets. I mean, you ran fourteen routes

1530
01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 2: with two wide receivers on the field. That's what I've

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01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:40,800
Speaker 2: been looking at all day, is like, Okay, are they

1532
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:43,240
Speaker 2: even on the field. He wasn't, So hopefully this new

1533
01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:44,920
Speaker 2: system he's a little bit better. But he's being poop

1534
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:48,280
Speaker 2: pooed on. People don't like him. Yeah, I agree, And

1535
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:49,720
Speaker 2: when he's on your team, you got to stick up

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01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:53,919
Speaker 2: for your guys. So that's gonna do it. For this episode,

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Speaker 2: make sure you check out the Ultimate Draft Kit, and

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Speaker 2: we'll be back talking dynasty running backs next week.

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Speaker 4: Goodbye.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the Fantasy Footballers Dynasty Podcast. If

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