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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 3: Buda Baker, What Heart?

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Speaker 3: This guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: He said, a ten half of fives.

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Speaker 1: It again some more hurry magic Wow.

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Speaker 1: So, I think a well deserved day off on Wednesday,

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Speaker 3: Don't think there needs to be any apologies to those guys.

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Speaker 3: With the NFL Top one hundred, you just checked in

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Speaker 4: I personally think it's too low, But I'm also, you know,

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Speaker 1: We forget because of the season that Trey did have

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's never gonna be about one player. It's the collective,

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Speaker 3: And I think with Elijah Higgins, we also forget because

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Speaker 4: I'm excited to see more consistency.

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Speaker 4: I don't have like a you know, I wouldn't be

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Speaker 1: There's a belief amongst some of the fan base that

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Speaker 4: catching tight end, because remember the tight end is also

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00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:02,720
Speaker 4: an extension of the run game, so you have two

438
00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:04,920
Speaker 4: out of the three. Right. So I think with Marvin,

439
00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,560
Speaker 4: part of it is like, Okay, let's not put him

440
00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:09,800
Speaker 4: in the box of saying you have to be a

441
00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:14,560
Speaker 4: prototypical nineteen ninety five X receiver. You have to compliment

442
00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,280
Speaker 4: this offense in a way that accentuates the offense. You

443
00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:21,000
Speaker 4: don't necessarily have to be you know, Randy Moss or

444
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,600
Speaker 4: your dad or anything like that. Right, this is a

445
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,879
Speaker 4: part to whole offense and that's how it functions at

446
00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,120
Speaker 4: its best, and I think one of the most important

447
00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,440
Speaker 4: things He's starting to kind of see it workshopped a

448
00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,000
Speaker 4: little bit here in just my couple days here is

449
00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:37,320
Speaker 4: getting the second receiver a partner with Marvin Harrison, getting

450
00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,280
Speaker 4: him a partner, a running mate that is really balanced

451
00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:43,160
Speaker 4: and complimentary, so that you can stay in twelve personnel,

452
00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,400
Speaker 4: you can keep both tight ends on the field, whichever

453
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Speaker 4: one you want to run, whether it's Elijah Tip with

454
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Speaker 4: Trey McBride, and you can also get Marvin a really

455
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,560
Speaker 4: good compliment, so he's not just you know, pushed out

456
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Speaker 4: wide on the perimeter and that's what he has to

457
00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,360
Speaker 4: always do, and that's a very low probability target share

458
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 4: if you've already got a guy who can work the

459
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,119
Speaker 4: middle of the field. So I just think balance is

460
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,520
Speaker 4: the key word for this Cardinals team, because they've got

461
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 4: everything you could want there. But balance is the major

462
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:11,359
Speaker 4: factor here.

463
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Speaker 3: To kind of expand on that with the run game,

464
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Speaker 3: because we're mentioning, you know, Trey McBride over one thousand

465
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,359
Speaker 3: yards Marvin Harrison Junior eight hundred and eighty five. But

466
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 3: if he connects on some of those passes, it's not

467
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Speaker 3: even that the volume needs the changes that if the

468
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 3: connection is just made, Marvin's in another one thousand yard

469
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,639
Speaker 3: receiver and you also have an one thousand yard rusher

470
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Speaker 3: in James Connor. But we talk a lot about the

471
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Speaker 3: twelve personnel the thirteen personnel with James Connor. As further

472
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Speaker 3: along as he gets in his career, he's becoming better.

473
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Speaker 3: How much do you think with the Cardinals playing as

474
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Speaker 3: often as they do in twelve personnel and thirteen personnel

475
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Speaker 3: has allowed him to continue to truly have a career

476
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Speaker 3: season in back to back years.

477
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Speaker 4: He just seems like born for this type of offense,

478
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,560
Speaker 4: Like he feels born for this type of blocking structure,

479
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 4: Like it's heavy, it's tenacious. There are really cool like

480
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,359
Speaker 4: math and like geometric layers that unfold, like after that

481
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 4: first block, after that first level and layer of blocking,

482
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 4: and the different things that they can do with the

483
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 4: tight ends to disguise some of that gap scheme that

484
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 4: they want to run using the screen game again with

485
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 4: the tight ends as an extension of if they ever

486
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 4: want to do wide zone, using the screen game as

487
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 4: more of that wide zone versus a pure wide zone.

488
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 4: It all helps the running back, right, it all helps

489
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 4: James Connor sort of accelerate into his gifts that he has.

490
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Speaker 4: It's so fun for me watching them out there because

491
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 4: it's like these massive humans, right, It's like all the

492
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 4: offensive linemen and tight ends and the running back all

493
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,879
Speaker 4: are the same. They are the same build, they're the

494
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 4: same stature. It's like this monolithic wall moving at you

495
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:49,879
Speaker 4: of skill players and of offensive linemen, and then you

496
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 4: have like the point guard who's kind of like dishing

497
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 4: everything out behind that behemoth of just like a front,

498
00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 4: including the skill players, including James Connor. And I think

499
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,399
Speaker 4: with James, it's just it's a perfect fit because it

500
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Speaker 4: I think takes a little bit when you're running back

501
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,920
Speaker 4: and you like contact and you like to run through contact.

502
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,439
Speaker 4: The more you get and the more you can feel

503
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,640
Speaker 4: your teammates absorbing things around you but then also paving

504
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 4: for you, it's almost like this mutualistic, like adrenaline rush,

505
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 4: like everything feeds off everything else. And I think that's

506
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,400
Speaker 4: another reason why you see a lot of these teams

507
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 4: shifting towards these gap schemes is because it feels good.

508
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 4: It feels good to push somebody off the line of

509
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 4: scrimmage and punch your running back through.

510
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Speaker 3: And I will say too, Craig. I posted a clip

511
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 3: on my Twitter account Zach Easy Cards. They have Elijah

512
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 3: Higgins and Tip Ryman blocking for trade Benson and it

513
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 3: obviously we're not in pads yet, but the block looks

514
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 3: so nice and they created such a good gap that

515
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 3: Justin Fried, John at again and James Connor all ran

516
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,399
Speaker 3: on the field and we're pretty pumped up about it.

517
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 3: So even this early on, you're able to start to

518
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 3: see where this running game is going.

519
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Speaker 1: And I think the good news we talk about all

520
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 1: these players, whether it's Trey, Marvin, James Connor, they've all

521
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 1: bought into what JG keeps preaching team over me, team

522
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 1: over you, to where maybe some places Marvin gets upset

523
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 1: because he's not targeted one hundred plus times. Bottom line

524
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 1: is if you're wanting on Sunday, that takes care of

525
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 1: everything else. So there's enough, there's enough bodies, there's enough

526
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 1: weapons within this offense to where all right, you stop

527
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 1: one thing, Okay, now we'll attack you with this other

528
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 1: aspect of Drew.

529
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Speaker 4: Petsing's yeah, And I want to take that point and

530
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,439
Speaker 4: kind of put it into the front office too, in

531
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 4: the scouting department, because that has to be something that

532
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 4: they identify in players as they're scouting them that whole like, Okay,

533
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 4: this is what our team identity is going to be

534
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 4: now and entering year three for this staff collectively, it

535
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 4: takes time to rebuild an identity of Okay, this is

536
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 4: also how we're going to change our scouting language to

537
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 4: find people that fit as a part to whole within

538
00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 4: this very multiple system that's going to accentuate the gifts

539
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 4: of a volume one player, not necessarily a number one receiver,

540
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 4: but a volume one target. And so that takes a

541
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 4: lot of understanding of you know, young people as they

542
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 4: grow up, young football players as they grow up. It

543
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 4: takes a lot of expressing and communicating that identity in

544
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 4: your search for the right players to bring into your roster.

545
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 4: And then those guys have to come in and do it.

546
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 4: And then that's your coaching staff that's building everybody up

547
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 4: to make sure that that identity never gets lost. That

548
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 4: even when games are lost, and even when people are

549
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,360
Speaker 4: not getting the targets that they necessarily want, even when

550
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 4: things are not feeling as easy as they always are

551
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 4: during training camp, that that machine keeps rolling like they're

552
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 4: showing you what they want to be. That's my theory

553
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 4: about the Cardinals. They're showing you exactly what they want

554
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,120
Speaker 4: to be. It's exactly what I just said, they want

555
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,439
Speaker 4: to be this monolithic thing that overwhelms you, right and

556
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 4: does it in a variety of different ways, all out

557
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 4: of the same look or same two looks. But unless

558
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 4: you have everybody buying it on that from the very

559
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 4: very first times you have conversations with these guys in

560
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 4: the pre draft process to the first day they get

561
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 4: on the field, and your coaching staff being on one

562
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 4: accord and develop being them in that mindset, then it's

563
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,679
Speaker 4: kind of like when you're punching, and not that I

564
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 4: punch a lot, but when you're punching and one finger

565
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,679
Speaker 4: sticking out, then that finger breaks. Everything has to be

566
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 4: one fist, right, So that's how they have to approach

567
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 4: this identity.

568
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: I like that. Bam bam. That was good.

569
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 4: I feel like I saw Zach get a little scared,

570
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 4: you know. I held up my fist and he's.

571
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 3: Like, whoa. I actually felt pretty right at home back

572
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 3: in the East Coast, you know where. That's how we

573
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 3: say we love you to each other.

574
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Speaker 1: While we've got you here, Jordan, big picture of the

575
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 1: NFC West, Yeah, you're certainly know about the Rams. Yeah,

576
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 1: but the forty nine ers, the Seahawks and the Cardinals. Overall,

577
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: it does seem again, sometimes we're too Zach and I

578
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: kind of get too close to the situation, but it

579
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 1: does seem that you can make you can make an

580
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 1: honest case for each of the four teams within the

581
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 1: division say they're gonna win it in twenty twenty five.

582
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Speaker 4: I agree, And that's what's so fun. We're back to

583
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 4: the crazy days of the NFC West. I think, where

584
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 4: everybody's good and they sort of, you know, it's down

585
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 4: the stretch, especially with these matchups that somehow like get

586
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,919
Speaker 4: bookended on each other, like right at the end of

587
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 4: the season. This NFC West, it just cannibalizes itself all

588
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 4: the time. And I just remember, that's the most fun

589
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 4: version of the NFC West. It's not so fun when

590
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 4: one team is on a down year rams twenty twenty

591
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 4: two forty nine Ers last season. My hot take is

592
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 4: that this will actually be a truly defensive year for

593
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 4: every single team in the NFC West. I cannot find

594
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 4: and I know there are questions about the forty nine Ers.

595
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 4: I posit that they're actually going to be a lot

596
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 4: better on defense than people think they are. Having Robert

597
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 4: solid back in that building and really reigniting that ecosystem

598
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 4: the way that he did with Kyle Shanahan and the

599
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 4: glory days of that team, of that defense. Like, I

600
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 4: just feel like this is going to be such a cool,

601
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,479
Speaker 4: fun defensive year for the NFC West overall. You know,

602
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 4: offense is always fun. We're talking a lot of offense today,

603
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 4: but this defense is like having a moment right now,

604
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 4: and I think the NFC West as a whole collective

605
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 4: is kind of ready to meet that moment.

606
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 3: Well, I mean when we look at the defensive side

607
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 3: of the ball, got a major face left over here

608
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 3: with the Cardinals, So to look at it, to bring

609
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 3: it back to Arizona, what is your impressions of Nick Ralis?

610
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 3: Because he's one of those type of defensive coordinators that

611
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 3: uses so many different types of disguises and schemes, and

612
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 3: now with that new defensive line, he has a lot

613
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 3: of weapons at his disposal.

614
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting. So I actually have a fun Nick

615
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 4: Rowlis story that I have not shared, so exclusive.

616
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: Well this is good exclusive.

617
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 4: So I used to go to these I still try

618
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 4: to get to them because they're so interesting. But I

619
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 4: used to go to these like incubators between head coaches,

620
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 4: and defensive coaches, So offensive mining coaches and defensive mining coaches,

621
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 4: quarterbacks coaches, they would come work out a lot of

622
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 4: prospects quarterbacks from around the country back collective and they

623
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 4: would meet and sort of have these sessions after the

624
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 4: workouts were done where they would just talk football with

625
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 4: each other. This was where I first learned about how

626
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 4: brilliant and strange Mike McDaniel is. This is where Brandon

627
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 4: Staley first came on my radar. This is where the

628
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 4: next wave of the Kubik system that Drew Pettsing is running,

629
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 4: I think in a very cool way, in a very

630
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 4: modern way, came on my radar. And guess who was

631
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 4: sitting in all of the offensive meetings to try to

632
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 4: learn as a young assistant linebackers whatever doesn't exist position

633
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 4: with the Minnesota Vikings. But Nick Rallis was sitting in

634
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 4: all of the offensive meeting rooms trying to figure out

635
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 4: and trying to learn what offenses were about to do

636
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 4: next so that he could continue to build up his

637
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 4: own ideas for when the moment came that he could

638
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 4: go out on a field and experiment when things and

639
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 4: try things. And I think that's what Jonathan Gannon really

640
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 4: saw on him early on. This is a guy who's

641
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 4: not afraid to try stuff, and he has this wealth

642
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 4: of knowledge that also comes from the other side of

643
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 4: the ball and all of his studies of those very

644
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 4: very progressive, brilliant offensive coaches all in the rooms together

645
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 4: every off season. And I think that you're seeing that

646
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 4: on the field because this defense to me, and I

647
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 4: know I'm sounding like a Cardinal's homer right now, I

648
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 4: promise you, guys.

649
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 3: I am not, but okay, platform for I know, I'm like.

650
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 4: I'm looking at logos. Yeah, I'm I'm like, I love

651
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 4: this defense because you could see how when the roster

652
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 4: was more depleted, there was a talent dearth a couple

653
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 4: of years ago. You could really see Jonathan Gannon nikralis

654
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Speaker 4: like experimenting and trying to just Okay, let's see if

655
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Speaker 4: this works. Nobody's really watching us right now, so like,

656
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 4: let's see if this works. It doesn't work, Okay, we'll

657
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 4: try it this way, or let's try this covered structure

658
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 4: and see how this works. Or let's try a version

659
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 4: of what Jonathan Gannon did in Philadelphia. We don't have

660
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 4: the players for it, so let's try to adjust it

661
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 4: to be this version and all of that has sort

662
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 4: of evolved and developed into what we're seeing now. And

663
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 4: I think especially this defense finishing as strong as it

664
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 4: did last year and bodes well because defense vacillates every

665
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 4: single year. You can't always predict what they're going to do,

666
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 4: but especially finishing strong and then only adding to the

667
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 4: personnel versus losing a ton of talent, and then also

668
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 4: the ideas are there that to me speaks very well

669
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 4: for what this defense could become. And I think it

670
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 4: is a very modern answer for a lot of the

671
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 4: ways we see offenses try to attack defenses in terms

672
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 4: of they're also doing things that looks very similar that

673
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 4: makes the quarterback have to guess and then you only

674
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 4: really see what the actual coverages are going to be

675
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 4: post snap. That's a very very twenty twenty five version

676
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 4: of what we first started seeing in twenty twenty.

677
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: The problem, and it's a good problem, is if this

678
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: defense does what we all anticipate or expect or project

679
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: it to be, then nig Graalis becomes a name that

680
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: other teams will want to interview for potential head coaching

681
00:32:55,360 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: up opportunities. Again, good problem to have, but going back

682
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: to when you saw Nick in those meeting rooms. I mean,

683
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: I think that's the step by step process that every

684
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: position coach wants to eventually get to, is to be

685
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Speaker 1: that head coach. And you hate to see good people leave,

686
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: but it's for if it's bigger and better things, then

687
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: by all means, I would certainly think Nick Rowlis would

688
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: be in that mix next offseason.

689
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Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's interesting, like the catch twenty two on

690
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 4: that is like owners are hesitant at times to hire

691
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 4: defensive coaches because they don't want to get the defensive

692
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 4: coaches network, which then brings in the offensive wonder kid

693
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:38,959
Speaker 4: who then they lose and they'll have to compete against

694
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 4: two years later. Right, So that's where these owners are

695
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 4: now thinking in very interesting ways. I'm like, Okay, so

696
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 4: I really want this guy, but is it the right

697
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 4: thing to hire this guy and then oh no, his

698
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 4: entire talented staff that he brings up with them, I

699
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 4: can't keep any of them because I've already got the

700
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,239
Speaker 4: head coach. I can't promote anybody. So you've seen this

701
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,959
Speaker 4: in years past with a couple of these defensive hires.

702
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 4: It is a good problem because I think both coordinators

703
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 4: I put them both on the Athletics fifty hundred forty

704
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 4: list this past offseason, because I think they're both indicative

705
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 4: of the president in the future of this league, how

706
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 4: they're taking in Knick's case, taking what really became popularized

707
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 4: out of that Fangio system and under Gannon and moved forward.

708
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Speaker 4: That he's really indicative of that what this looks like

709
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty five. Now with Drew, I think he's

710
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,240
Speaker 4: very very much symbolic of taking that Kubiak Shanahan blend

711
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 4: inverting it in some ways the way that Kyle did

712
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 4: back when he first got to San Francisco, running a

713
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 4: lot of heavy personnel and now modernizing it, especially when

714
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 4: he has the really talented players to do that with.

715
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 4: And so both of these guys should be commodities. That's

716
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 4: a problem for Jonathan Gannon, right, but it's a good problem,

717
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 4: and I'm curious to know from you guys' perspective, there

718
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 4: has to be people that they're also training, right, because

719
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 4: this has to be something that's in the back of

720
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Speaker 4: everyone's mind. What happens if we lose these guys.

721
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Speaker 1: You've got Drew Terrell passing game coordinator. You got Israel

722
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,399
Speaker 1: Wolfork quarterbacks coach. So there's certain there's two names right

723
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: there on the offensive side that have been here and

724
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: all of a sudden could get elevated.

725
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Speaker 3: And I think you could also see me Clayton Adams

726
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 3: goes from being the offensive line coach to being the

727
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 3: offensive coordinator to the Dallas Cowboys. It shows that Jonathan

728
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,439
Speaker 3: Gannon is already starting to develop people that are able

729
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 3: to make that next step that are not the defensive

730
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 3: and offensive coordinator, but they're starting to get that recognition.

731
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Speaker 3: Sam Sefgez, the linebackers coach, became the defensive coordinator at

732
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Speaker 3: Virginia Tech, So there are definitely people you know in

733
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 3: the win that are coming up right now. Christian Garcia,

734
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 3: the inside linebackers coach, received some praise from Jonathan again

735
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 3: and Matt Feeney the defensive line coach. Winston d Ladi

736
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Speaker 3: Bodeera the third coach, Deebo. He has earned a lot

737
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 3: of praise so far and he's still a young guy.

738
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Speaker 3: He's only twenty seven to twenty eight. So the future

739
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 3: at least, they have a lot of young coaches that

740
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 3: are starting to rise up in the ranks out here.

741
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Speaker 1: Jordan kept you longer than we said we would. But

742
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Speaker 1: I know you've got a number stops along your training

743
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: camp tour, but this will be your favorite stop. Correct.

744
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 4: I feel like I have to say yes, you know,

745
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 4: and that answer is correct. I'm surrounded by Cardinals' logos.

746
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: I mean, this is kind of where it all begins,

747
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 1: right on the state of.

748
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 4: Areas, full circle like listeners. I know Craig and I've

749
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 4: talked about this on cards cover two before, but I

750
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 4: used to run quotes to all the real reporters when

751
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 4: I was interning for game days here because I went

752
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 4: to Arizona State. So I used to run quotes to

753
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 4: all the real reporters. And it took Darren Urban a

754
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 4: couple of years of me actually being in the NFL

755
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 4: as a beat reporter to say hello to me. So

756
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Speaker 4: you guys can sort of use that against him later.

757
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Speaker 1: Darren's kind of like that, you got to get on

758
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 1: to his level before he acknowledges you. But certainly appreciate it.

759
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: Outstanding information. Can't wait for the article on the Athletic

760
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: and always a pleasure to see you, and congratulations again

761
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Speaker 1: and best of luck.

762
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Speaker 4: Thank you so much, guys.

763
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Speaker 3: It was my pleasure to.

764
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Speaker 1: Be honest, berg Gang, we could have gone a lot

765
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: longer with Jordan because her knowledge of the game, her insights,

766
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 1: I think our top notch, especially when she's talking specifically

767
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: about the tight end position, and we know Zach just

768
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 1: how well how much that tight end position is used

769
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: within this Drew Petson led offense and it's not going

770
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: to change. And I mean it's a run first offense

771
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: with a tight end base. And those are your top

772
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: two options James Connor in the run game, Tray McBride

773
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: in the past game, and then everything else kind of

774
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: flows out.

775
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 3: Of that, and most teams Marvin Harrison Junior would be

776
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 3: your clear number one option. Well, right now, he's in

777
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 3: a mix of three different players with himself, James Connor,

778
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 3: and Trey McBride. Look, Trey McBride is playing at a

779
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Speaker 3: pro bowl level, ranked number sixty five in the NFL's

780
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 3: top one hundred. Jordan said that she believes that he

781
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 3: could get even higher than that. He should be higher

782
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 3: than that, and that's something I totally agree with her on.

783
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 3: Over you know, one thousand yards last season, he is

784
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 3: still just becoming figuring out what his identity is on

785
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 3: the field. We talked about how he's still warning the

786
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:08,439
Speaker 3: position and he's finally now getting his opportunities. He's going

787
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 3: into this offseason in this training camp being the number

788
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Speaker 3: one featured guy that in that case with Marvin, with James.

789
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 3: But when it comes to the passing attack, you look

790
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 3: to see where number eighty five is. This isn't an

791
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 3: offense that chucks it down the field and has those

792
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 3: big time explosive plays. But if you could find Trey

793
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 3: McBride on a fifteen to twenty yard deep crossing route,

794
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 3: Kyler Murray's gonna take that every single time. Because we

795
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,399
Speaker 3: also know and it's not something we discussed heavily with Jordan.

796
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 3: Trey McBride's yards after catchability is ridiculous, whether it's with

797
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 3: the hurdling or just shedding off different tacklers. Trey McBride

798
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 3: when he gets when he gets his hand on the ball,

799
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 3: automatically start to add five yards because that's what you're

800
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Speaker 3: getting from him.

801
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: Look forward to the article on the athletic from Jordan

802
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 1: should be posted now or soon. As far as her

803
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 1: conversations with petsing with McBride, she did talking about Jordan,

804
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 1: you can follow her at Jordan rod Riggs. There were

805
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: a series of posts about her visit here to Cards

806
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 1: camp and we talk about twelve personnel, thirteen personnel, and

807
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: in her posts quote that identity won't change behind Trade McBride,

808
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 1: Elijah Higgins and Tip Ryman. She added she expects the offense,

809
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,280
Speaker 1: as I mentioned earlier, to quote roll through its tight

810
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: ends because right now it's working. Now, can it be

811
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Speaker 1: a little bit more efficient as far as offense meaning

812
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 1: total points scored? Absolutely? More efficient in the red zone, absolutely,

813
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: But the base of this offense is the run game

814
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 1: and the tight end game, and then you kind of

815
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: feed everything else off of that.

816
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 3: In the red zone drills we've seen so far during

817
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 3: training camp, and once again you take you with the

818
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 3: grain of salt because it is still training camp. Kyler

819
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 3: Murray has targeted Tray McBride a lot in the end

820
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 3: zone and in the red zone once they get within

821
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,240
Speaker 3: that twenty yards. So it's something that is a focus.

822
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Speaker 3: We spent so much of last year wondering when Trey

823
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 3: McBride is going to get in the end zone for

824
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 3: a receiving touchdown, and that did not come until Week

825
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Speaker 3: seventeen against the Los Angeles rams On Saturday night football.

826
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Speaker 3: So with that being said, he is gonna still be

827
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Speaker 3: a focus. But something I like about what Jordan is

828
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Speaker 3: talking about with just how much they could do, how

829
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 3: multiple they could be even out of twelve and thirteen personnel,

830
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Speaker 3: because you do have a workhorse running back with James

831
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Speaker 3: Connor who was able to go off seven hundred and

832
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Speaker 3: seven of his one thoy ninety four rushing guards from

833
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 3: this past season came solely out of twelve and thirteen personnel.

834
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Speaker 3: So he's going to be somebody that's going to continue

835
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Speaker 3: to ramp it up. And especially with Tip Rieman becoming

836
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 3: a better blocker, Elijah Higgins starting to find his own

837
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 3: in the running game, and Trey McBride hoping to become

838
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 3: a complete, complete, complete tight end. I only see the

839
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 3: flour continuing to rise for James Connor.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be a lot of fun to watch. We've

841
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: got to wait a little while until Week one, but

842
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: we'll get a chance red and white practice on Saturday

843
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: kind of see just what will be on display. And

844
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: of course, the first preseason game against the Kansas City

845
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: Chiefs a week from Saturday.

846
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 3: I'm excited for that. We know that the Kansas City

847
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 3: Chiefs play their starters. So it's gonna be exciting to

848
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 3: see Patrick Mahomes out there, Travis Kelsey out there, assuming

849
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 3: that everything goes as planned. For Andy Reid, which I

850
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:18,800
Speaker 3: assume it is because that's kind of been in his nature,

851
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 3: is to play the starters for at least a little

852
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 3: portion of time. I think it's gonna be a really

853
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 3: good test. It's the preseason. There's not much that you

854
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 3: should take out of this, but there are gonna be

855
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 3: guys that are gonna be fighting for active roster spots.

856
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 3: How does the Xavier Weaver look out there? How is

857
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 3: the Jones separating himself for that wide receiver three battle.

858
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 3: These are all gonna be things that I know Jonathan

859
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 3: Gannon when he has on his call sheet, he's gonna

860
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 3: call things specifically for certain players. It's gonna be important

861
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 3: once they come back to Tempi and go and then

862
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 3: before they head over for the joint practice against the Broncos.

863
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,240
Speaker 1: Should we pick this up again on Thursday?

864
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 3: We should? Okay, we should. Why wouldn't we?

865
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Speaker 1: After the players day off, they're back on the field Thursday.

866
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be out with them doing doing work in

867
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 3: the community. So we'll see.

868
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Speaker 1: All right, well, good teas forward, we'll discuss that a

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Speaker 1: little bit. Hope we come back when we all reconvene

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Speaker 1: in twenty four hours.

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Speaker 3: See back together. Weekend was last weekend. Now it's just

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Speaker 3: back together. He's not upset, Yeah, because the weekend's fun.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, well, the weekends is almost here.

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Speaker 3: The weekend is almost here.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't feel like it noday if the day is

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Speaker 1: just kind of it doesn't. There are no days in

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Speaker 1: training camp.

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Speaker 3: It's so I woke up and I have to stare

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Speaker 3: at my phone where it says like the date, and

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Speaker 3: I was like, wait a minute, what's the date today? So, yeah,

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Speaker 3: we're we're going through it right now. But the lights

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Speaker 3: at the end of the tunnel. Training camp is on

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Speaker 3: its way out the door, and the regular season is

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Speaker 3: about a slam right through.

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Speaker 1: It got one more week left of open practices here

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Speaker 1: at State Farm Stadium again. All the details for the

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Speaker 1: schedule and how to attend and open practice go to

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Speaker 1: Azycardinals dot com. And on that note, we will put

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Speaker 1: a lit on this edition of Cardinals Cover two presented

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Speaker 1: by Yundai, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals. As always,

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Speaker 1: special thanks to our executive producer Jim Mama Hundre, our

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Speaker 1: associate producer Cody Fincher. For Zach Kershman, I'm Craig Real Lou.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next time here on Cardinals Cover two.