1 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, welcome, welcome, welcome, Thank you for tuning in. We 2 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:30,479 Speaker 1: would like to begin today's show with an acknowledgement of 3 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: something that may have befuddled some of you, our fellow 4 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: ridiculous historians. Hi, I'm Ben. Hey, No, what are you 5 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: talking about? Ben? I'm talking Noel about the fact that 6 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: we double Oregon. Yeah, that's true. On our quest to 7 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:47,639 Speaker 1: do one episode for every state in the US. It's 8 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: almost like we haven't been really thinking this through. It's 9 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: almost as if we were winging that one. It's true. Well, 10 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: we we thought both stories regarding Oregon were interesting and important, 11 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: so much show that we didn't really decide which one 12 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: was our official Oregon episode. So we have to should 13 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: we address right up front? Are double mispronunciation of the 14 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:13,680 Speaker 1: Mallie or wild Wildlife reservation? Casey, Apparently you really ped 15 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: the bed on that one. Man. Well, I'm unclear on 16 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 1: this because the comment Okay, so there's the way they 17 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: say it there, which is the American way of saying it, 18 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: which is quote unquote wrong if you're going by the 19 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: French standard. I don't know if people are saying my 20 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: French pronunciation was also, Oh no, I don't know. I 21 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: don't think they're saying that at all. And I'm giving 22 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 1: you a hard time casey so, but yes, by by 23 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,960 Speaker 1: sort of saying that's how French people would say it, 24 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: then you guys started seeing it that way. And of 25 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: course that's never how it works out when an American 26 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: city is named for some other countries. So how what's 27 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 1: the what's the real way? What's what's the real Oregonian way? 28 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: It's like mau here or something. I think the h 29 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: is silent, right, Mallie. I don't know, you know, I 30 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: withdraw from this discussion entirely. Those folks can pronounce it, 31 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: how are they? Like? Okay, well, just to verify we 32 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: did find it, well, do you want to give it 33 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: a shot? Yeah, hang on here mal here, that's doesn't 34 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: that isn't that that's just that's yeah mal here. Well, 35 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: it's just it's just a different way of approaching it. 36 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 1: And as we know, with proper nouns, pronunciation can be, 37 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: you know, very much on a case by case basis, 38 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 1: and obey the rules of grammar and phonetics in absolutely 39 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: no shape fashion reform. See four of us says it's mallard. 40 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: See three different ways, three different ways, So I don't 41 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 1: know not to get a b in our bonnet right 42 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: up at the top of the show. Don't let it 43 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: get to you. I'm not gonna let it get to you. 44 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,119 Speaker 1: But this, this episode today is about a state that's 45 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: not Oregon. That's sort of the whole point of this 46 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: right right, right right. Also, I we would be criminally 47 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: remiss if we didn't do one of my favorite things 48 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: to do on this show, Friends and Neighbors. Super producer 49 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 1: Casey Pegram. I just love the sound cute. I love 50 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: it too, But I've noticed we've drifted into a thing 51 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 1: where Casey will be on Mike and it's not necessarily 52 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: Casey on the case. So it doesn't have to be. 53 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: It's a brave new world. It's a brave new world. 54 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: It's just like English is a living language that continually evolves. 55 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: This show and the country in which we recorded are 56 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 1: continually evolving as well. I see where you're going because 57 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: today our journey takes us to Kansas in the nineteen twenties, 58 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: and we want to warn everybody this is not a 59 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,959 Speaker 1: super happy, fun, feel good story. No, no, it's really 60 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: not really. Nothing good comes of this um other than 61 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: the fact that it stopped happening eventually, right, That is 62 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: the happy ending. The it in question ben, The in 63 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: questionable is the imprisonment of thousands of innocent people. Well, 64 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: they were innocent by what we would consider criminal standards today, 65 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: but morally they were considered quite guilty. But not just people, 66 00:03:56,280 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: ben women specifically, and and poor women. So what's the scoop? 67 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: So the nineteen twenties in the US sees the influx 68 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: of many international influences because of people returning from World 69 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: War One, which started in July of nineteen fourteen and 70 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 1: went to November of nineteen eighteen. And not to cast 71 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: aspersion on these returning soldiers, but a lot of them 72 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: didn't just bring in appreciation for foreign food or new 73 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: sorts of architecture music back home with them. They also 74 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: brought some diseases, that's right, because they couldn't keep their 75 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: days in their peace right where a family show. Uh 76 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 1: So what ended up happening is they returned home to 77 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: their significant others, and they met people in the States 78 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: and they transmitted some of these diseases they had picked up, 79 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 1: things like syphilis, gonerihea, things that genuinely posed um not 80 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 1: only a national health risk, but also a national security risk. 81 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: I read this the idea of it potentially preventing soldiers 82 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: from being effect dive in battle. Some of these diseases 83 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 1: are no joke. They debilitate you, like severely, especially as 84 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: they progress, things like syphilis right. And then you know, 85 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: as we mentioned, there are a couple of other diseases 86 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: in the mixed clamydia the clap as well. And when 87 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: this spike happened, it was noticeable. It was an outbreak. 88 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: It wasn't just like two people in a town all 89 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: of a sudden showed symptoms of gnaria when they were tested, 90 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: and states started to panic. And usually, unfortunately, when human 91 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:42,359 Speaker 1: community's panic, we often tend to target the people with 92 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,359 Speaker 1: the least agency or the least power in a community 93 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: or or that. And when we panic, we we tend 94 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: to screw up and overshoot the mark a little bit, right. So, 95 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 1: in an effort to quash these potential outbreaks um in 96 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: Kansas in particular, it was in nineteen seventeen that there 97 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: was a law pass called Chapter two oh five known 98 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: as the State of Kansas Quarantine Law. And what this 99 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: essentially meant was any one suspected of having a sexually 100 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: transmitted disease. It basically gave public health officials um an 101 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 1: insane amount of leeway in terms of, Hey, you, you there, Ben, 102 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: you you're looking a little peaked today. I think you 103 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: probably have gone a rhea into the cells with you. 104 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: So before we go any further, let's clarify here. Uh 105 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: STDs transmit across the entirety of the gender spectrum. Right, 106 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:41,039 Speaker 1: So this means that if Kansas and other states are 107 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: so very concerned about the threat posed by s t 108 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: d s, they should be locking up everyone who has one, right, Yeah, 109 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 1: that's right. Except we were just desperate for able bodied 110 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 1: men to fight in this you know, horrific conflict. So 111 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: it would be kind of counterproductive to lock up every 112 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:00,919 Speaker 1: man suspected of having one of these diseases, especially since 113 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 1: the testing at the time very inaccurate. The testing was 114 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: nowhere near sophisticated as testing methods today. Additionally, there was 115 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: this huge sexual double standard, you know what I mean, 116 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: talk about victim blaming this. We should also say a 117 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: lot of this information is coming from Nicole Perry, a 118 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: University of Kansas researcher who dug into the story behind 119 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: chapter two oh five so we've established the gist right, 120 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:34,119 Speaker 1: the general way in which this occurred. But we should 121 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: probably also mention that when they were taking women to 122 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: court for these situations, they would find excuses to intervene 123 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: in and then find out that they had STDs and 124 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: then punish them like they would they would use charges 125 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: like vagrancy. That's right, no, for sure. Um. And the 126 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: thing about this too is these women didn't go to 127 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: the state penitentiary because, uh, the idea was that they 128 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: would be abused by the male inmates. So nearby there 129 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: was actually another facility called the Kansas State Industrial Farm, 130 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: which was in fact a farm, but actual working farm, 131 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: but it's officially listed as a prison. That's right, exactly. 132 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: And Um, the notion was that social reformers, as is 133 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: discussed in this article from k C you Are the 134 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: Faces of Long Gone Women, tell a new story of 135 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: the Kansas State Prison. Um, social reformers believed that women 136 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: that went there had the potential to be rehabilitated. But 137 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: here's the thing. In this article, there's a woman named 138 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: Jennifer Moyer who got a grant from the state to 139 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 1: set up a exhibit at the Lansing Historical Museum which 140 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: is this very small place in a former train depot, 141 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 1: all on the actual prison grounds. And she got ahold 142 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 1: of all these amazing intake photographs of inmates when they 143 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: you know, when they were admitted, I guess, and they're 144 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: female when incarcerated book exactly. And she noticed that um 145 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: following the opening of this separate women's prison in the 146 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: spring of nineteen seventeen, it only had about seventeen inmates total, uh, 147 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: And that was pretty common in Kansas. But when Chapter 148 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: two of five kicked in, it rose significantly to almost 149 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: four hundred women and by the end of that year, 150 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 1: at the end of that year, and that continued to 151 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: grow because you see, after the war ended, this statute 152 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: stayed on the books and they kept using it to 153 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 1: persecute women. Right. And in her research, Jennifer Meyer finds 154 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: short write ups of interviews that the inmates, that the 155 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: inmates had with the authorities, And this is how she 156 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,679 Speaker 1: learned that several things were happening as a result of 157 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:55,319 Speaker 1: this moral panic, one of those being that women were 158 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 1: being rounded up in raids, and then some had been 159 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: turned in by jilted lovers, right and and and just 160 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: in general, they were profiled because, like we said earlier, 161 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: because those tests for these diseases were so inaccurate. Sometimes 162 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 1: you might have a public health official who says, oh, 163 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: you're sexually active, therefore you must have an STD. Therefore 164 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 1: to the prison farm with you. And then also this 165 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: magnifies the tragedy. Some women turned themselves in of their 166 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: own accord because they had been exposed to an STD, 167 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: and treatment at the time was very expensive, not to 168 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: mention often not safe. Yeah, I think I have The 169 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: term toxic came up a few times. What are we 170 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 1: talking here, Well, we have to remember this is the 171 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: age before the widespread use of penicillin, right, So there 172 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: are treatments of things like uh sulfanillamide on gon arhea, 173 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:57,199 Speaker 1: and these things could work, but they could also be dangerous. 174 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 1: You know, you're poisoning your body in some cases. Yeah. 175 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: I saw another one too, for pre penicillin treatment of ganeria. 176 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: That was something called cubebs, which is an Indonesian pepper 177 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: um that was turned into a powder and applied to 178 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: the affected area. And if you can imagine rubbing a 179 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: hot pepper on your genitals, that's not a fun sounding 180 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: experience at all. I mean, to each their own but yeah, 181 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: I would say in general, that's that's not for me 182 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: at least. So these people, if they were not well 183 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: off financially, had no place to go to get treatment. 184 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: Not to mention the shame that could spread around town, right, 185 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: your reputation being key, especially in a small town, and 186 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: the state of Kansas itself did not invest in free 187 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 1: public health clinics at this time, So the closest many 188 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 1: people could get to a free public health clinic is 189 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,319 Speaker 1: the farm, that's right. Yeah, No, I mean, it really 190 00:11:56,400 --> 00:12:01,439 Speaker 1: is pretty dire situation when you have someone in genuine 191 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: need who has done nothing wrong and potentially, you know what, 192 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: had intercourse with someone who may have even known they 193 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:11,959 Speaker 1: had the disease and decided to keep that from the partner. 194 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: You know, this happens all the time, right, So you're 195 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: literally victimizing people who are already victims exactly exactly, and 196 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: not only victimizing them in this legal sense, but also 197 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: in this again this moral sense that you are a 198 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: woman of ill repute and so on. And as you said, 199 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: and I think this is important point, they were not 200 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 1: held there for the rest of their lives. They were 201 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: typically in for a matter of several months, right two 202 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: or three months. We don't know what happens to a 203 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: lot of them after they leave, because there's no there's 204 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: just no paper trail, right except for in a few 205 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: very isolated cases. And these are young kids to like 206 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: sixteen to twenty two, I think. Yeah. And if you 207 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: want to see some of these women, um, you know, 208 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 1: and you're in the area, I highly recommend that you 209 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 1: check out this exhibit at the Lancing Historical Museum because 210 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: these images are incredibly stark. They're captured using very high 211 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: quality glass plate negatives, which I believe is still like 212 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: a fine art photography method that's used today, and they 213 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: yield these very stark black and white images. And in 214 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:27,559 Speaker 1: the article, the curator of this museum exhibit talks about 215 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: how surprising it is that these images are so old, um, 216 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: and that it's very easy to look at these faces 217 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: and kind of identify and see yourself in them, because 218 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 1: they really, you know, other than the dress, these are 219 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: humans and it's very striking to kind of see them 220 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: because they I'm looking at this one of a woman 221 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,839 Speaker 1: and she's in her profile shot. She's kind of like 222 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: looks a little timid and looking away a bit in 223 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: her head on shot. She almost has like kind of 224 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 1: a grin on her face, and you know, and and 225 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: really some of these the clothes aren't even that dated looking, 226 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: other than just the little you know, what do you 227 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: call it, the prison number and the you know, a 228 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 1: little tag that you hold up looked very much like 229 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: a mug shot you might see today, only black and white. 230 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: So yeah, the slate. There's a there's a very emotionally 231 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: charged human element to this. And it's tough too. It's 232 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: tough to overestimate the importance of these photographs in history, 233 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: right Because I don't know about you, NOL, but I'm 234 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: pretty sure neither of us knew about this practice before 235 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: we started examining it for this episode. No, absolutely not, 236 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: And we ment we mentioned to the top of the show. 237 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: And I think it goes without saying because of the 238 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: military situation, but meyer Um was asked how many men 239 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: she found that had been incarcerated because of Chapter two, 240 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: O five, and she says she couldn't find any. So 241 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: I think that kind of goes without saying that that 242 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: men were kind of able to just get away with murder. Um. 243 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: There's even a story about you know, oh, I got 244 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: a disease from my husband and he reported me just 245 00:14:57,520 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: to like get rid of me. It's this, this kind 246 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: of WITCHHND is kind of s situation. And the question 247 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 1: that many of us are probably wondering at this point 248 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: is how far did this go? How many people did 249 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: Chapter two oh five effect? Well, we can say that 250 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: number of people the penitentiary rose from seventeen to four 251 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: hundred in the space of the year. Eventually it led 252 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: to around five thousand women being imprisoned at the farm 253 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: while the law was on the books between nineteen seventeen 254 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: and insane. Yeah, that's wild because, as you know, if 255 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: it was designed to or at least intended to, um, 256 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: you know, help with this war situation, it's interesting that 257 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: it stayed on the books for so long after as 258 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: as a means of kind of rounding up what might 259 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: be considered as sinful women in the eyes of like 260 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: a possibly puritanical rule of law. And you can read 261 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: some great articles about this, particularly on the University of 262 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: Kansas website. There's a great article titled Researcher Documents Gender 263 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: US Bias in Quarantine law measures. And one thing that 264 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: was pretty important to us in our research and with 265 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: our research team looking at this was to note that 266 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: the US does have a history of quarantining, detaining, or 267 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: interning citizens on its own soil. Exactly. The Justice Department 268 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: actually oversaw the internment of more than what has it 269 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:32,239 Speaker 1: been thirty thirty thousand, more than thirty thousand American civilians 270 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: during World War Two. Yeah, and this included more than 271 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: eleven thousand people of German descents just just because of 272 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: their ancestry, the three thousand due to their Italian ancestry. 273 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: And then of course there were the U. S citizens 274 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: who were in Japanese internment camps as well. And not 275 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: to mention the fact that in the eighties and nineties, 276 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: during the HIV AIDS epidemic, or when it first kind 277 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: of came into the public consciousness, there was actually suggect 278 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: question consideration of rounding up those affected by that into 279 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: some kind of quarantine situation. And we know that ultimately 280 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: that did not occur. But the scary number for that 281 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: is in thirty four percent of the US public supported 282 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 1: the idea of quarantining people who had HIV. It's a 283 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 1: similar situation too, you know, with the STV panic that 284 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: we're talking about in the twenties where it is seen 285 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: as a it's something new that they haven't experienced before, 286 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:37,719 Speaker 1: and it's seen as a potential public health crisis. So, 287 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 1: you know, people do stupid stuff when they panic. But 288 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 1: we do have a I guess a little bit of 289 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 1: let's say, light at the end of the tunnel of 290 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: moral panic here, because that stat we just mentioned changes 291 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,640 Speaker 1: over time. And these stats are from a report from 292 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 1: the Psychology Department of U. C. Davis. Um, there was 293 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: another stat from ninety one saying that as many as 294 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: of the population believe that names should be named, so 295 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 1: talk about a witch hunt, right for for those suffering 296 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 1: from AIDS, and they should be made public. But um, 297 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: in the Spanish just a handful of years, by ninety seven, 298 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:15,199 Speaker 1: only one in six endorsed these kinds of policies, and 299 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: fewer than one in five supported doxing these people, for 300 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: lack of a better expression, putting out these names. So 301 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: you know, and certainly the stigma surrounding STDs has similarly 302 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: changed in this country from the way it may have 303 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:34,120 Speaker 1: been in World War One. Yeah, one would hope that 304 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: we are making progress not just as a society but 305 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: as a species today. As we said, This law is 306 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 1: no longer on the books in Kansas, but it is 307 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 1: important to remember that things like this, crazy as they sound, 308 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: really did occur. It's true. And and if we're doing 309 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:54,679 Speaker 1: a few stats I think we should wrap with with 310 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 1: a pretty interesting one today. According to the American Sexual 311 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: Health Association, one into sex, really active people will contract 312 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 1: st D or s t I infection by the age 313 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: of twenty five of some sort of some sort exactly, 314 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:13,120 Speaker 1: and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimate that 315 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: in someone in the neighborhood of twenty million, new instances 316 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:21,120 Speaker 1: of STDs occur every single year. The good news is, however, 317 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: that there are multitudes of resources that can help you. 318 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 1: If you have any concerns, you can go get free 319 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 1: test right and in a city near you to steal 320 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 1: a line from that men's warehouse guy. I guarantee it, 321 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: and of course you hear it all the time. Just 322 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: practice safe sex and just be smart about it. There's 323 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: all kinds of resources, like Ben said, and there's all 324 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: kinds of ways to protect yourself from getting one of 325 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 1: these things. So you know, there you go. You know, 326 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: it occurs to me that we have completed our Kansas episode. 327 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,640 Speaker 1: But there's so many other interesting stories about Kansas. Are 328 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 1: we going to end up doing a thing where we 329 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 1: have like four episodes about one state and one episode 330 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: for other states? Well, I mean don't want we don't 331 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: want to hurt anybody's feelings. But you know, some states 332 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 1: are greater than others in terms of the stories, but 333 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 1: we're trying to dig for all of them. Man, we're not. 334 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: We're not gonna discriminate right against the states upfront, but 335 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: Scrimmace state. Yeah, that's good man, that's not that's not 336 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: I liked it. I liked it. It It was worth it, 337 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: as you would say. And so we need your help. 338 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 1: Let us know about the strange, little known historical oddities 339 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: you have discovered researching a particular state in the US. 340 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: You can tell us about it on Instagram, you can 341 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: tell us about it on Twitter. We would love if 342 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 1: you tell us, along with your fellow ridiculous historians, about 343 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: your research on our community page Ridiculous Historians. And before 344 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: we go, you know what, No, we've been on a 345 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,159 Speaker 1: kick about this lately. I say we double down and 346 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: do some more listener mail because it because the episodes 347 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: have been running short it's because this episode is shorter. Yeah, 348 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: that's true, but it's a good one. You know, it's 349 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,360 Speaker 1: absolutely worth, very important, and it certainly was a darker 350 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: time in this country. But you know, less history repeat 351 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: itself always a good idea to kind of keep on 352 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:17,120 Speaker 1: top of the trends of the past. Yeah, and now, 353 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: without further delay, Casey, could you set us up for 354 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:26,400 Speaker 1: listener mail. So this is not our usual listener mail 355 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,959 Speaker 1: kind of thing, but I thought this was hilarious and 356 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,479 Speaker 1: if you haven't seen it on Ridiculous Historians, we wanted 357 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: to share this with you. First, welcome to Nicole p Uh. Nicole. 358 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 1: You are a new member on the group, and you 359 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: recently said, does anyone hate these Starbucks ads as much 360 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:48,959 Speaker 1: as I do? I feel like they're on every podcast 361 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: and they make me want to flip over tables and 362 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 1: burn down a Starbucks. Well, the joke's on you, because 363 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 1: the tables at Starbucks are bolted down. My friend, they 364 00:21:56,200 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: thought about it, and just reading the descriptions of this opprobrium, 365 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: it's so amazing. Melissa f responds, not just you, I 366 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: hate them with the fiery passion of a thousand sons. 367 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:11,880 Speaker 1: Here's the thing, folks, we don't always have control over 368 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: which ads get in our show, especially when they're ones 369 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: we don't ourselves read or endorsed. But you know what, 370 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: they keep the lights on, and they keep our mouths 371 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: talking into these here microphone than just one war though 372 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 1: this is I'm reading these because I you know, as 373 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: a lover of language, I really respect a good turner phrase. 374 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 1: Uh so. Jerry m agrees and says yes, annoying and 375 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: somehow some inappropriate, to which Nicole p says, right, it's 376 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 1: like being told to have to pee by someone trying 377 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 1: to seduce me. Oh wow, oh my good gracious, that's 378 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: that's the closest we can get as a family show. 379 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 1: But I really hope Starbucks and listening to say, I 380 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 1: hope they make an out about it. Hey, you know what, 381 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 1: it's fun. We we love Starbucks. Actually, I go, I go, 382 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 1: I get my Starbucks. I get my Bucks on on 383 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,719 Speaker 1: the rag And your point, your point by ads is right. 384 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: We just we want to thank everyone listening for being 385 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 1: so supportive of our show and also being so consistently hilarious. Agreed. Okay, 386 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: the next one is, uh, I don't know, I'm not 387 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: walking it back, but it's a little mia culpa from me. 388 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,159 Speaker 1: We've got one from Cameron. A. Hi, my name is Cameron. 389 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: Let me just say I love your show. I wait 390 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: every episode you guys put out. Um, if I use 391 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:24,919 Speaker 1: social media, I would join your groups, but I'm too 392 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: busy for social media at the moment. However, regarding your 393 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,679 Speaker 1: latest episode at the time, this was the British soccer 394 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: game where the Brits gave the Nazi salute. I was 395 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 1: a little sad to hear you guys compare the United 396 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 1: States to Nazi Germany. I do respect that you first 397 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 1: began with not to get political, but it still made 398 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,880 Speaker 1: me feel a bit unwelcome as a listener to the podcast. 399 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,680 Speaker 1: Not a huge Trump fan, a conservative libertarian, but um, 400 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: he is still our commander in chief and I wish 401 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,880 Speaker 1: him the best I can in his term as president. 402 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: So I just want to say that my uh my 403 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: statement there and our statement, I mean it was I'm 404 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 1: the one who said it and been backed me up. 405 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: It was mainly just the idea of watching history repeat 406 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 1: itself in terms of appeasement. I was not comparing America 407 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: to Nazi Germany. I was more saying the the pieces 408 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,640 Speaker 1: that were laid that led to something like the Nazis 409 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: being able to take power are strangely similar to what 410 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,640 Speaker 1: we're seeing with our administration right now in terms of 411 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,360 Speaker 1: letting things slide. That there's like sort of an escalating 412 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,919 Speaker 1: effect that that you can kind of get a sense 413 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 1: of and maybe compare the two historical circumstances. I am 414 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: in no way implying that Donald Trump is one to 415 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: one with Adolf Hitler at all, and we are not 416 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 1: a political show, but it was a parallel that I 417 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: could not help but notice and felt compelled to comment on. 418 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: I see also also this This was interesting to me. First, Cameron, 419 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:48,439 Speaker 1: thank you for well worded and pretty respectful email. But 420 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,199 Speaker 1: this reminded me of Godwin's law. Do you know what 421 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:55,919 Speaker 1: that is? Gladwin's law, No Godwin, no relationships, go O 422 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 1: d w Y. And it's a weird thing that you 423 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: may have heard of you're familiar with the internet. Godwin's law, 424 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: also called Godwin's rule of Hitler analogies, is this Internet 425 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,479 Speaker 1: adage that says, as an online discussion grows longer, the 426 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: probability of a comparison evolving Hitler approaches one, which this 427 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: guy's argument is no matter who you talk about, no 428 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: matter what you talk about, if it's online, you talk 429 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: about it long enough, at some point Nazis are gonna 430 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,360 Speaker 1: come up. Have you Have you seen this Teddy Ruxpan, 431 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 1: this new online Teddy Ruxpen. It's just like Nazi Germany. 432 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: It's pretty the pieces are there. Uh. So okay, if 433 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 1: you're cool with it, maybe we end with uh with 434 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: a funny email. Yeah, I think that's smart. Smart We 435 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: go funny, heavy, funny. Yeah, like MPR, which is true, 436 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: that's their formula. We are also big MPR fame, that's true. 437 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 1: So this email, everybody, get your ears ready for this. 438 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: This email is called how could you do It? That 439 00:25:54,840 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: should be a segment from from Noel l namesake in 440 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: O E L L E whatever. I'm sure you'll be 441 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: famous friends. So Noel, you wrote in to say, I 442 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 1: want to know how you could do a show on 443 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: the epic song Louie Louis and speak of its supposed 444 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: to battery and impact on America's youth, and not even 445 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,360 Speaker 1: mentioned one of the greatest covers of it, John Blushi 446 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 1: an Animal House that one scene to find everything that 447 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: the mothers and fathers were worried the song was encouraging. Guys, 448 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 1: it was a great show. But I kept waiting for 449 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 1: you to at least mentioned this piece of American film 450 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 1: history and connection with the song. You blew it, guys, 451 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: Double Secret Probation for you, Noel L I don't get 452 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: the reference. I haven't seen Animal House. Animal House is 453 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: a great Casey, have you seen Animal House? Now? I haven't, 454 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,120 Speaker 1: but I do know the double Secret Probation thing because 455 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: that was also like on the special edition when it 456 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:55,399 Speaker 1: came out, it was the Double Secret Probation Edition. So 457 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,880 Speaker 1: so I've got to I've got to get you, guys. 458 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 1: We've got to have a pizza party and watch adimal Hell. 459 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 1: I've never seen The Blues Brothers either, so I've got 460 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 1: some real holes in my comedy film history. You know. 461 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: I watched The Blues Brothers when I was a kid 462 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: with um I guess some relatives, and I think I 463 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 1: just didn't get it, you know what I mean. I 464 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 1: think a lot of it went over my head. But 465 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:22,120 Speaker 1: thank you so much for writing in. Noel and everyone else. 466 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 1: Let us know if if I've got to take Casey 467 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: and Nol to a movie night sometime soon, should we 468 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 1: go for Animal House or should we go for Blues Brothers? 469 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,679 Speaker 1: What about Blues Brothers two thousand? I saw that one 470 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: in the theater yea, And yeah, you guys don't need 471 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 1: to catch up on the cool It's actually an episode 472 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: of How Did This Get Made? About it? Um if 473 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,120 Speaker 1: you want to check that show out with Paul Sheer 474 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: and June, Diane Raphael and Jason manzocas Paul Sheer, who 475 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 1: has actually been a guest on our sister brother Pierre 476 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:55,959 Speaker 1: Pierre podcast movie Crush yep, and uh, Blues Brothers two 477 00:27:56,040 --> 00:28:01,159 Speaker 1: thousand is ridiculously cameo heavy. So so I guess it 478 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: depends on how you feel about cameos. But or what 479 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 1: about the band Cameo Wired app Yeah, the band Cameo themselves. 480 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: They don't get enough mentions and that's why you tune 481 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 1: into Ridiculous History so you can hear Cameo get the 482 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 1: passing mentioned they deserve. Okay, I know we're in Tangent 483 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 1: City right now. I need to wrap this up, but 484 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 1: I have to say this because I was standing down 485 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,880 Speaker 1: to the airport, was listening to comedy Bang Bang, which 486 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 1: I love, and there is a character, you know the show. 487 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: They have different improv actors playing characters coming on the 488 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 1: show talking to Scott Ackerman, and one of them was 489 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: his character was it's the guy from Cameo and every 490 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: he just speaks like Hello Scott, Hello band Wired app 491 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 1: and it's like that's how he speaks, and I'm like, 492 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: I recognize that voice. And it was Carl Tart, who 493 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: used to be one of the co hosts of our 494 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: other cohort podcast, Culture Kings. He's the guy that got 495 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 1: away a comedy Bang Bang, He's He's He also plays 496 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: the chief on Comedy Bank Bank, the Carmen Sandy character. 497 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: I had no idea. Yeah, pretty awesome ventillations, Carl. Maybe 498 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: we can have him come on our show at some point. 499 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: I mean, we are pretty friendly with each other and 500 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: we do seem to be. Check Out the recent episode 501 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 1: with Robert Evans. I actually listened to it myself in 502 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 1: the wild. Um. That was a fun little discussion about 503 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 1: the racist origins of Oregon. Yeah, Robert Evans, the mastermind 504 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 1: behind the new podcast Behind the Bastards True. Check it out. 505 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 1: Check it out and let us know what you think, 506 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: and tune in for our next episode when we explore 507 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: Oscar Wilde the morals of Victorian England, uh, the incredibly 508 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: complicated fashion required of the time, and an infamous pair 509 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 1: of cross dressers who set the hoity toity world of 510 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: late Victorian England ablaze. Thanks to our super producer, Casey Pegram, 511 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: thanks to Christopher Hasciotis, our research assistant, Thanks to Alex 512 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 1: Williams who composed our theme, and most importantly, thanks to 513 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 1: you for putting up with us two knuckleheads and digging 514 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: the show. We'll see you next time. M