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Speaker 2: Money Christmas. This is Inside Football with former Colts and

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Speaker 2: is back. Welcome to NFL Draft Week, and welcome to

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Speaker 2: this pre draft edition of Inside Football with Rick vent

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Speaker 2: Turrey and his nearly thirty years of NFL coaching experience.

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Speaker 2: In twenty twenty five, NFL Draft unfold starting this Thursday,

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Speaker 2: coming up with round number one, and today we're getting

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Speaker 2: you up to speed with Rick thoughts from him, of course,

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Speaker 2: on the Colts offseason to this point and how the

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Speaker 2: of right now. Rick, always good to talk to you.

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Speaker 2: I hope you've been well. I know you've been really

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Speaker 2: with all of those years of NFL coaching background under

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Speaker 2: of Hall of Famer Rick Vin Turrey. The Peoria, Illinois

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Speaker 2: Athletics newest member of their Hall of Fame, the class

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Speaker 2: of twenty twenty five. You had the banquet over the winner.

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Speaker 2: You got up there, you hammered it home. It's a

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Speaker 2: well deserved honor, my friend. Congratulations on all of that.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, thank you very much. It was a fun

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Speaker 1: with that. So we're on, and you're right about your

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Speaker 1: the process of evaluating players. It goes back to my

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Speaker 2: Mm hm, you have. They always crop up on the

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Speaker 2: All right, we got a very busy agenda here as

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Speaker 1: Well, I'd use two words I think, you know, it

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Speaker 2: How do you view that part of it?

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Speaker 1: Well, I think, you know, I think I think Jones's

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Speaker 1: So you know, put some heat on him. Put some

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Speaker 2: And if you go back to last year in training camp,

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Speaker 2: No question about it. That's good food for thought as

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Speaker 2: obviously the biggest storyline is going to be just that,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't think you're gonna get any statistical analysis

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Speaker 2: Rick based on what the Colts have on their roster

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Speaker 1: Well, as I look at it, I would say that

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Speaker 2: Well, when the mock draft season starts really in earnest

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Speaker 1: Well, I think dynamic is the key, you know, I

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I think really what it always comes

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Speaker 2: All right, let's go offensive line. The Colts lost two

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Speaker 2: and free agency comes over from the Rams, but after him,

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Speaker 2: like you mentioned earlier in the podcast, the Colts are

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Speaker 2: still very much in need of depth quality players to

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Speaker 2: spell those two guys. You know, we know the Colts

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Speaker 2: probably need to spend close to a premium pick on

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Speaker 2: a defensive tackle in this draft, you know, rounds one

436
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Speaker 2: through three. How important is the defensive tackle position overall

437
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Speaker 2: in this lou Anarroumo defense as he takes over the

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Speaker 2: reins on that side of the ball here in Indianapolis,

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Speaker 2: as the Colts try to get more pressure on the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Where I think it's really important, and here's where I

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Speaker 1: think we really failed a year ago, is that it

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Speaker 1: isn't as much just rushing the passer because you can

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Speaker 1: get in different looks. You can move guys around like

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Speaker 1: Lewis on third down, second and long, you know, kind

445
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Speaker 1: of like Odangbo did a year ago. You can kind

446
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Speaker 1: of do that with Lewis, kick him inside to get

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Speaker 1: your rush. But where we really failed, and people just

448
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Speaker 1: don't realize it is we couldn't stop the run because

449
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Speaker 1: we have Olympians, but we don't have run stuffers, and

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Speaker 1: that really told its tale. And you know, it's in

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Speaker 1: modern day football, and I don't understand it totally, but

452
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Speaker 1: I see it is that you can't play Buckner and

453
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Speaker 1: Stewart a whole game. So you're going to play series

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Speaker 1: without those guys. So you need somebody that is going

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Speaker 1: to come in there at least for one of them

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Speaker 1: and really be able to stop the run number one

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Speaker 1: and then develop as a pass rusher, because if you don't,

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Speaker 1: if you don't stop the run when those guys are

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Speaker 1: out of there, you're sitting second and five all day

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Speaker 1: without the other team being under stress. And then you know,

461
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Speaker 1: like I always to tell my guys, you have to

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Speaker 1: stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer,

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Speaker 1: you know, And that's kind of an old cliche, but

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Speaker 1: there's a lot to it. And so you know, I

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Speaker 1: just think, you know, we thought we had it with

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Speaker 1: Raekwon Davis. We didn't. Environment has never given us that

467
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Speaker 1: kind of run stuffer and so that, to me, that

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Speaker 1: is a huge priority and it will be for Low

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Speaker 1: as well.

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Speaker 2: All Right, lastly, Rick, we have some fun here. We

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Speaker 2: kind of kick this around internally in the office last week.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to give you four positions, kind of under

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Speaker 2: the radar positions for the Colts. Maybe they're big needs,

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Speaker 2: maybe they're not. But you rank them in order based

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Speaker 2: on need for the Colts going into the draft. And

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Speaker 2: these are not the top ones we talked about. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: rank these in order in terms of how you see

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Speaker 2: them being needs for the Colts in this draft. All right, Safety, quarterback,

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Speaker 2: running back, and kicker for the Colts. And obviously you

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Speaker 2: throw that in because of the release of Matt Gay

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Speaker 2: and his inconsistencies over fifty yards last year, and the

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Speaker 2: Colts coming out and saying, hey, we believe in in

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Speaker 2: Spencer Strader, but they're not just going to hand them

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Speaker 2: the job.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: He was a rookie last year, only made five field

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Speaker 2: goals over the course of work with three different teams.

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Speaker 2: So rank those in order, running back, safety, quarterback, and

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Speaker 2: kicker for the Colts.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll probably get some pushback on this, but I

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Speaker 1: think number one is kicker.

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Speaker 2: Damn you know, I said the exact same thing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you know, every place else. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we have enough guys to play a game and play

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Speaker 1: at a high level in my opinion, you know, unless

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Speaker 1: we get banged up to hell. But I mean, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I like Strader as a kid, but I don't know

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Speaker 1: what he's gonna be over seventeen Sundays, So no doubt. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and that's so important. You know, you never think about

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Speaker 1: it until they missed one. It costs you a game,

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Speaker 1: you know, And you know, and I think Gay just suffered.

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Speaker 1: You know, he got that big contract. The expectancy just

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Speaker 1: overwhelmed him and he never was able to live up

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Speaker 1: to that. And they've moved on. But I just I'm

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Speaker 1: very nervous about not going into the season with really

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Speaker 1: a tested and top flight kicker, no doubt about that.

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Speaker 1: I probably, even though we signed Ward, I would probably

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Speaker 1: say number two. And this is me because you could

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Speaker 1: argue the next three. You could argue him back and forth,

510
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Speaker 1: depending on what color chevies you like. I would say

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Speaker 1: corner because I just don't think you can have enough

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Speaker 1: of him. You get an injury to a guy we

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Speaker 1: can't count on brunts. I mean, we don't even know

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Speaker 1: who he is. You know. Ward was a terrific. I

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Speaker 1: thought Lomac played pretty good till he didn't. Jones has

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Speaker 1: given us pretty good football. Kenny's top inside, you know,

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Speaker 1: but I still think, you know, you cannot have enough

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Speaker 1: corners in this modern day, you know, And I think

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Speaker 1: there's gonna be some pretty good corners. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if they'll be there in the third day, but definitely

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Speaker 1: in a second day. You know. I'll tell you in

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Speaker 1: terms of let's see, would you ask me, oh safety,

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Speaker 1: you know, I you know, I mean, honestly, you have

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Speaker 1: Thomas as the swing guy you got now buying him

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00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 1: and Cross, which is going to give you two real starters.

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Speaker 1: Thomas is a guy and you could probably put safety second,

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Speaker 1: you know. Now you know, you know, I don't see

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Speaker 1: premier safeties, but I see a bunch of solid guys

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Speaker 1: that you could get as you as you keep going on.

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Speaker 1: And then the other position that I think is great,

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Speaker 1: as I said, as I said, other than offensive line

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Speaker 1: as a running back. And you know, you got your

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Speaker 1: top four that are going to go pretty high, you know,

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Speaker 1: in Jant and Hampton and Henderson and Judkins, the too

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Speaker 1: Ohio State eight guys, those are those are premiere backs.

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Speaker 1: But then there's there's several guys you know that that

537
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 1: are are there right, that are that are going to

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00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: be around as you keep going. I mean it's really, uh,

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00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: it's really a really good group. You know. You got uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, you got all kinds of guys in that

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Speaker 1: on those next tiers. So I think you're going to

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Speaker 1: be able to get a running back in that situation.

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Speaker 1: But you know, like I said, kicker number one. You know,

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Speaker 1: maybe maybe safety should be number two, you know, the

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Speaker 1: more you talk about it, but you know, that's all

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Speaker 1: that's at least we have guys and we even have

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Speaker 1: a swing guy in each position because at running back

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Speaker 1: we went out and got Herbert, you know. So I

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00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: mean it's but kicker, yeah, that is a question mark.

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Speaker 2: No doubt about. I completely agree right there with that

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Speaker 2: order outstanding job as always, Rick Ventury, that's his breakdown.

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Speaker 2: I love this annual chat that we have here every year,

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Speaker 2: especially before the draft, considering everything thing that could be

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Speaker 2: in play for the Indianapolis Colts. And these chats are

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Speaker 2: going to continue here in the coming days. Rick Venturrey

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Speaker 2: is going to be in for instant reaction on Thursday

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Speaker 2: night and Friday night of the draft, recapping the Colts

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Speaker 2: picks right away. Those are going to appear on YouTube

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Speaker 2: with Casey Valier and Bill Brooks. They're also going to

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Speaker 2: be audio form on the Colts Audio Network as well,

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Speaker 2: So look forward to those and we will do it

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Speaker 2: again next week. Rick, you and I recapping the draft

563
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Speaker 2: on our post draft edition of Inside Football Here. So busy,

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Speaker 2: busy time, but I know you love it. I know

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Speaker 2: you enjoy it, and hopefully we'll see this football team

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Speaker 2: get better with some premium picks heading in the next

567
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Speaker 2: season as the Colts try to make the playoffs for

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Speaker 2: the first time in four years. Rick, it's a really

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Speaker 2: important week here, you.

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Speaker 1: Know it is, and you and I did some I

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Speaker 1: think some very.

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Speaker 2: Very good I was just getting ready to do that.

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Speaker 1: On evaluations guys that you know, we kind of talked

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Speaker 1: in general. But there's going to be some good videos

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Speaker 1: on the website, you know, guys that we name and

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Speaker 1: show and really go in depth on and I think

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00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: fans would love that Before Thursday.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, check those out. Myself and Rick did do those,

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Speaker 2: and we hit the four major areas of need for

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Speaker 2: this team going into the draft. We kind of hit

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Speaker 2: on those on this podcast. But we went more in

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Speaker 2: depth with the top players available at each position within

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Speaker 2: those areas of need tight end, secondary offensive line, and

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Speaker 2: interior defensive line. So check those out of course in

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Speaker 2: the coming days to wet your whistle before Draft night,

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Speaker 2: first round on Thursday, So really really important stuff. And

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Speaker 2: one final reminder too, as we're hitting everything that we

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Speaker 2: need to going into Draft night, check out the Colts

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Speaker 2: official Draft party Thursday night at Lucas Oil Stadium that's

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Speaker 2: presented by bud Light, where fans can come watch the

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Speaker 2: first round of the NFL Draft and also have access

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Speaker 2: to the field and autographs from current players and Colts legends.

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Speaker 2: I or Franklin's gonna be there, Alec Pierce, Laatsu Latsu

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Speaker 2: along with Pro Football Hall of Famer Drin James signing

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Speaker 2: autographs too. So the party is for fans twenty one

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Speaker 2: and older and tickets can be picked up at Colts

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Speaker 2: dot com slash Draft ten dollars to the general public,

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00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 2: five dollars for Colt season ticket members. So again check

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Speaker 2: that out Lucas Oil Stadium on Thursday night. Cannot wait

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Speaker 2: for it. Rick A lots of process there but Thursday night,

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Speaker 2: Round number one and we will see you later this

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Speaker 2: week and Thursday night, Bright lights in Green Bay.

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Speaker 1: Can't wait, man, Gail, wait all right.

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Speaker 2: Rick Ventury taking the caffeine pills. It's gonna be a

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Speaker 2: couple of late nights for everybody involved, but it's always

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Speaker 2: a fun time of year. Rick Venturrey, I'm Matt Taylor,

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Speaker 2: and that will do it for this pre draft edition

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Speaker 2: of Inside Football here in the Coltsaudio Network. And again

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Speaker 2: we will do it next week recapping the Colts Draft

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Speaker 2: Hall right here on the Coltsaudio Network. Again for Rick,

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Speaker 2: I'm Matt. Thanks for listening to Inside Football. A still

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