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Speaker 1: Welcome back, all the Smoke, All Star Indiana were back
Speaker 1: in your back in your old stumping ground. They still
Speaker 1: got love for you out here. They got a lot
Speaker 1: of love from before we get started. I'm gonna crack
Speaker 1: over this Core Coops.
Speaker 3: Light hey, because it's made the chill.
Speaker 1: It's early, but it's made the chill.
Speaker 3: Hey, and you know it's made the chill because the
Speaker 3: mountains on their turn blue Jack.
Speaker 1: You know it's eight o'clock in California. Hey, it's never
Speaker 1: too early to start.
Speaker 3: It's happy hour somewhere. We got a good one today, Joe.
Speaker 1: I got a chance to sit down with this young
Speaker 1: man right before he came in the league. Jeolani had
Speaker 1: plugged it, and I was just fascinated off the rip
Speaker 1: about his i Q and the way he approached the game.
Speaker 1: And obviously his father had a nice run in the league.
Speaker 1: But Son came through and crushed the buildings. Let's welcome
Speaker 1: to the show, Jayson Brunson, Yes, sir, all Star, Yes sir.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't even like to say underdog because I don't
Speaker 1: really feel like you've been. But I think at times overlooked.
Speaker 1: Is that safe to say that people kind of overlooked you?
Speaker 1: And and I really think you're making your mark now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, i'd say, no matter what stage of my my
Speaker 4: carib in the high school college league, always in somewhat
Speaker 4: overlooked at some point. But I don't really I use that.
Speaker 4: I mean, I guess I used this feel a little bit,
Speaker 4: but like it is what it is. I know that guy.
Speaker 4: I start at the bottom of the total polly every
Speaker 4: time I get to a new place, and it's got
Speaker 4: to work my way back up.
Speaker 1: So career numbers, congratulations on your first All Star appearance.
Speaker 1: You got twenty seven points and six assists a game.
Speaker 1: What has been kind of the secret to your breakout season?
Speaker 4: Really, it's it's a lot of the credit goes so
Speaker 4: obviously my teammates just being a dog, you just do
Speaker 4: that too, that too, Yeah, Uh, my teammates obviously the
Speaker 4: next organization for just believing in me and all that.
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously you can say that the work you
Speaker 4: put in and all that stuff, that's just that's just
Speaker 4: what I do. But uh, I got to give thanks
Speaker 4: to the people that really believed in me when I
Speaker 4: sometimes don't. And so my whole thing is I always
Speaker 4: try to keep my confidence, but it's always really beneficial
Speaker 4: when I have people on the side of me who's like,
Speaker 4: this is what you do, believe in yourself, and that
Speaker 4: gives me an extra boost.
Speaker 1: A ton of accolades, but most notably two time n
Speaker 1: C Double A CHAMPI at Villanova. Somehow you still slide
Speaker 1: to the second round. But now you're really the darling
Speaker 1: of the NBA with with with all due respect, on
Speaker 1: the biggest stage. You know, they called Master's Garden the Mecca.
Speaker 3: What is it like the.
Speaker 1: Energy and and and and the atmosphere back in New
Speaker 1: York Now that you guys are playing well, now.
Speaker 4: It's it's rocking every single night. It's it's crazy and
Speaker 4: going to the garden. And now when you're when you're
Speaker 4: sitting in traffic, now you're getting ready to go into
Speaker 4: the garden, you start to you start to feel the
Speaker 4: energy now before anyone's even in there. You know, when
Speaker 4: you're shooting on the court before the game and no
Speaker 4: one's really in the stands, yet you still feel the energy.
Speaker 4: So New York man, it's now when the next are good.
Speaker 1: Things are rocking in the NBA. Is better when the
Speaker 1: knicks are good?
Speaker 3: Question?
Speaker 1: A recent It ain't been often, but yeah, a recent
Speaker 1: stupid a recent video surface and I loved it because
Speaker 1: I'm in a similar stage with my twin boys. Of
Speaker 1: your pops working you out and just how he was
Speaker 1: on you and and and talk to us about that
Speaker 1: dynamic of having a dad that played in the league.
Speaker 1: You obviously wanted to follow in his footsteps, but just
Speaker 1: that journey to get there.
Speaker 3: And before you start.
Speaker 5: For us, like for me and JULYI like you like
Speaker 5: our son because we came up with your dad, you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, So we know him very well.
Speaker 5: So to see you shining even more, you know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying, coming coming out better than him and shining
Speaker 5: more than him, Like, it's extra gratifying to us to
Speaker 5: see you so she So you got people like me
Speaker 5: and July and the guys that came up with your dad
Speaker 5: that's getting so much joy from seeing you shine.
Speaker 1: You're talking about you older, all.
Speaker 3: The old motherfuckers like us came in with your dad
Speaker 3: to see you shining. Bro, We're super proud of you.
Speaker 4: Though I appreciate that, I think it's like going back
Speaker 4: to when he used to train me when we were younger.
Speaker 4: I think, obviously, I'm not like six ' eight now,
Speaker 4: I'm not jump over people. I'm not super fast.
Speaker 3: He wasn't.
Speaker 4: He definitely wasn't. Yeah, he definitely wasn't. He young when
Speaker 4: I was younger. It really you can obviously teach so much.
Speaker 4: It was like more mental than anything like my dad
Speaker 4: at the time. When that video surfaced. Uh, he was
Speaker 4: coaching at University of Virginia, so they just had a
Speaker 4: brand new facility, brand new arena, brand new practice gym.
Speaker 4: It's a c beautiful in there, but in the hot summer,
Speaker 4: and he had me working outside at the high school
Speaker 4: gym on the high school blacktops, and so I'm thinking, like,
Speaker 4: why are we not just going to the AC going
Speaker 4: to the ACGM, like we can still get the same
Speaker 4: work and whatever. The court's actually bigger in there, lines
Speaker 4: are probably perfect and everything, but uh, it was all
Speaker 4: mental and he was just trying to see where I
Speaker 4: was mentally, and and he pushed me and pushed me,
Speaker 4: and he was like, if you make a shot here,
Speaker 4: you can make sure anywhere. So I think as I
Speaker 4: grew older, obviously more skill based workouts were implemented to
Speaker 4: what I was doing. But now that mental part of
Speaker 4: it was huge, huge for me because I didn't really
Speaker 4: think about it until I got older. I was like,
Speaker 4: half the stuff I'm doing now is easy.
Speaker 5: Because it's Have you ever had anybody tell you that
Speaker 5: your IQ is through the charts your basketball a qu Yeah?
Speaker 4: Sometimes yeah, yeah, I think they also say that. I
Speaker 4: feel like, give me a compliment, but also say there's
Speaker 4: nothing else to my game. I heard that a lot,
Speaker 4: like coming up in the draft and stuff and people
Speaker 4: saying like, oh, he's good and he's great. Smart, but
Speaker 4: but right, yeah, so I mean, I know I'm smart.
Speaker 4: I know I'm smart, but like I know, I.
Speaker 5: Also a lot of other shit to me. Yeah, there's
Speaker 5: so many good players that dumb. You know, they can
Speaker 5: jump and all that, but up here they have no
Speaker 5: clue what's going on in the court.
Speaker 3: I got a question.
Speaker 1: I want to take it back to father's son, because
Speaker 1: again I'm in that situation. Now, what was that line
Speaker 1: of because I'm to the to the thought of my
Speaker 1: boys are fifteen now they just finished their freshman year,
Speaker 1: first season of varsity, of you wanting it, but your
Speaker 1: dad pushing you. How was that dynamic when you were younger?
Speaker 1: Was it, hey, let's go get this work, or you
Speaker 1: were someone that's dad, let's go get this work.
Speaker 3: How did that work? A little bit of both?
Speaker 4: Okay, I would say definitely there will be days where
Speaker 4: it was unspoken, like we knew that. Like I got
Speaker 4: to the point where I was like in freshman my
Speaker 4: freshman year was like all I gotta get my schoolwork done.
Speaker 4: They gotta go to the gym, and then I can
Speaker 4: do what I want. Like, it wasn't like, oh, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna go hang on my first friends with a little
Speaker 4: bit them to meet you at the gym later. It
Speaker 4: was like, no, yeah, you got to prioritize. My parents said,
Speaker 4: I got their school, there's basketball, and there's your social life.
Speaker 4: You gotta pick two of the three. And then obviously
Speaker 4: I picked basketball in school and the social life, Uh,
Speaker 4: it will always be there. Like my best friends still
Speaker 4: my best friends to this date, because they helped me.
Speaker 4: They knew. I was like, Yo, that's Jay's gonna do
Speaker 4: that and it's gonna meet up with us later. And
Speaker 4: so they gave me some choices. It was never like
Speaker 4: this is what you gotta do. They always hear the
Speaker 4: pros and cons do with it as you please, support
Speaker 4: you wherever. They'll support me. But like when I'm when
Speaker 4: I complaining about me not playing well or me not
Speaker 4: doing something well in school, They're like, oh, it's your fault.
Speaker 5: I like that born in Jersey, you moved seven times
Speaker 5: because of your dad's job.
Speaker 3: What was that like?
Speaker 4: Honestly, hell? Hell? But it helped. I would say hell,
Speaker 4: because obviously you're moving, like I said seven times before school,
Speaker 4: before college, like you're moving to different schools. You gotta
Speaker 4: meet meet new friends, gotta find new teams wherever you're
Speaker 4: going to. It got to the point where I kind
Speaker 4: of quit every other sport, like I played football, baseball, soccer,
Speaker 4: and basically I just like, you know, let me just
Speaker 4: play basketball around it's the easiest thing to do. I
Speaker 4: think it helped me because I had to adapt to
Speaker 4: every situation I was in. And so when I got
Speaker 4: to school like high school, college, like the kid the
Speaker 4: kids like my older teammates, I was young. I was
Speaker 4: a freshman playing varsity, So help me adapt to that,
Speaker 4: help me adapt to college and the league. So like
Speaker 4: moving all those times sucked, but it helped.
Speaker 1: Well, that's tough too as a young kid because friends
Speaker 1: are everything, like when you're little, like your friends are
Speaker 1: everything to you. So to be bouncing around to different
Speaker 1: schools and different states, like I said, I can see
Speaker 1: how it can build character and toughness. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, as a child, you're like, damn, like I'm
Speaker 1: leaving my friends again.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was, it was. It was not fun. I'm
Speaker 4: not gonna lie to you, but it made me tough. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I man, I had to go through it. It wasn't
Speaker 4: like I had a choice either.
Speaker 5: Right around that time, you want to understanding it was
Speaker 5: your dad's journey, like what he was where he was
Speaker 5: trying to go. As a kid, you don't understand that.
Speaker 5: You're just bouncing around leaving your friends just frustrated. But
Speaker 5: now as being an NBA player that's been on a
Speaker 5: different team, you know what I'm saying. You kind of
Speaker 5: understand that now. But as a kid growing up in
Speaker 5: the NBA, any funny stories are good stories you remember
Speaker 5: from being around different teams.
Speaker 4: I remember obviously with like the don't really remember, but
Speaker 4: when I was at the Knicks, when my dad was
Speaker 4: with the Knicks, I used to I forget what game
Speaker 4: it was. I think it was the heat when Alan
Speaker 4: Houston caught the wall top of the key did all
Speaker 4: those jab steps to the cut shot at the top
Speaker 4: of the key. So I used to always do that
Speaker 4: jab step like in the locker room and then they
Speaker 4: all laugh and stuff like that. I used to run
Speaker 4: around do like the LJ sign. Yeah, yeah that's something
Speaker 4: I did. I did fould last week and we talked
Speaker 4: about the Jordan story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what I saw the headline? What is that story?
Speaker 1: I didn't hear the story.
Speaker 4: Long story short, we lived in Jersey for most of
Speaker 4: my dad's career in Jersey, so we go to all
Speaker 4: the East coast cities wherever it's drivable for us. And
Speaker 4: so he came to d C. Jordan's the Wizards, and
Speaker 4: so every way Arena, I got like that home team's jersey,
Speaker 4: just something that me and my mom did, and had
Speaker 4: Jordan's jersey on. So after the game, I got to
Speaker 4: go see my dad in the locker room, went to
Speaker 4: the other locker room with one of their coaches, and
Speaker 4: I met Michael and you want me to sell your jersey?
Speaker 4: I said, now, you mess it up. I was serious.
Speaker 3: I was. He was like two o three, so probably
Speaker 3: six or seven.
Speaker 4: I'm growing like I'm growing up in the NBA and
Speaker 4: I'm seeing all these players like all the time. So
Speaker 4: I'm like, it's I'm taking it for granted, Like I'm like,
Speaker 4: it is what it is. I was like I had
Speaker 4: no signatures, like nothing, Wow, my dad I used to
Speaker 4: collect stuff. I was like, I don't really, I don't
Speaker 4: need signatures. I'm good.
Speaker 5: I was like yeah, don't mess my jersey it up.
Speaker 5: That's crazy. How good was Jabari Parker in high school?
Speaker 4: Throw back? Man? Yo, We played him my sophomore year
Speaker 4: high school in the state championship. So I think our
Speaker 4: tallest due my sophomore was about six or five, and
Speaker 4: so we ran off like nineteen straight wins. All of
Speaker 4: a sudden, we were just we got hot. We went
Speaker 4: down state and playing Jabari, they just won three out
Speaker 4: of It was a senior year, so they won the
Speaker 4: last three state championships. So I'm like, yeah, we got
Speaker 4: all the conference in the world and we have a
Speaker 4: huge high school. We had like forty five hundred kids,
Speaker 4: so like our student section was packed, it was loud.
Speaker 4: Jabari just made it look too easy. Man killed just
Speaker 4: killed us. It was like the most effortless twenty points,
Speaker 4: like effortless, like and every bucket was just like man,
Speaker 4: Jabari was different. Definitely got hurt bro because he was nice.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, yeah he was. He was different and
Speaker 4: he was a good dude. Now he worked hard, didn't
Speaker 4: really say anything on the court never, but like I
Speaker 4: was just man, he was different.
Speaker 1: I feel like he has some mellow in him, like
Speaker 1: a strong, versatile dog that all dunk on you, big
Speaker 1: body with but he was athletic, fly get up to
Speaker 1: was nice.
Speaker 4: He's just one of those dudes that like it's like
Speaker 4: a nice guy. He doesn't say too much on the court.
Speaker 4: You're just like, who is this, Like it's a whole
Speaker 4: different person. He's he's just animal. Jal another one another
Speaker 4: another one my junior year. The next year, we played
Speaker 4: Jeale in the state state semifinals, stay semifinals, and so
Speaker 4: I had I think I had fifty six of like
Speaker 4: the sixty eight points.
Speaker 3: Damn.
Speaker 4: It's yeah. My friends they always give me shipped for
Speaker 4: not passing ball that game. Whatever I was I was
Speaker 4: doing ever could win. But Jelil just he was like
Speaker 4: thirteen of fifteen, just like just dunk and everything. Whatever.
Speaker 4: I'm just like, I just can't catch u break. That's
Speaker 4: two years ago. Were playing court number one recruits and
Speaker 4: these dudes are just killing us. But uh, there's another
Speaker 4: one who's just dominant, dominant?
Speaker 3: How lit were you right here?
Speaker 4: Oh man? For you right here? So I'll say this,
Speaker 4: this is this is that that game against Joel against
Speaker 4: Jeli game against its downstate. We're fighting. It's like a
Speaker 4: close game. It was like a two possession game at
Speaker 4: the time. We were down. We're down four with like
Speaker 4: thirty seconds left. So I come down, I get foult
Speaker 4: and I shoot it three and I make it. So
Speaker 4: I turned her around. I started putting my hands in
Speaker 4: the air saying count it, count it, and the refs
Speaker 4: like waving it off, like no, no, no. So I
Speaker 4: just turned around and I screamed. I was like, what
Speaker 4: the fuck? I screamed it, like I have my hands
Speaker 4: in the air and everything like. But the crazy part
Speaker 4: is that everyone sees that. But like I kind of
Speaker 4: face the other student section. I faced like the other
Speaker 4: it was Whitney young face like they're coaching their bench
Speaker 4: or whatever. Like no one said anything, didn't get a
Speaker 4: tech nothing. I didn't even realize that happened. I was
Speaker 4: just like the moment. I was the moment. So after
Speaker 4: the game, that picture like resurfaces or surfaces, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: that has to be photoshopped. I don't remember that I
Speaker 4: didn't do that. It has to be photoshopped. So then
Speaker 4: like our ad from the school knocks on my door,
Speaker 4: So yo, you're suspended for the third place game next tomorrow.
Speaker 3: Oh really?
Speaker 4: So I was like said, I swear I didn't do it,
Speaker 4: like I like, I had no idea that was like
Speaker 4: that was even the thing I had had to be
Speaker 4: doctored because the dude who took the picture didn't post
Speaker 4: it with people whatever, no no, no, with the with this
Speaker 4: company or his newspaper. He posted on his personal on
Speaker 4: his personal Twitter. So I'm like, well, why wouldn't he
Speaker 4: post it regularly if it was a real picture. So
Speaker 4: there was a whole thing and my team was going
Speaker 4: to sit out at the whole third place game because
Speaker 4: they thought like the picture was like doctor and everything,
Speaker 4: which I still to this day like I didn't do that.
Speaker 4: In my mind, I was like, there's no way, I
Speaker 4: don't remember that.
Speaker 1: You can see the ref blowing up, blowing and they're
Speaker 1: no shock. So they did they didn't care.
Speaker 4: So when that picture, so when the people from the MAVs,
Speaker 4: like the trains that found that picture, they like they
Speaker 4: got like little like fat had stickers of it and
Speaker 4: put it everywhere in the practice facility.
Speaker 5: For me to see, now that I look at it
Speaker 5: looked like the left fingers doctored a little bit a
Speaker 5: little bit, it looked like it a little bit.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmmm, college freshman, you get a chance to start
Speaker 1: and win a national championship. We were talking about before
Speaker 1: we got started. I mean, obviously the league is the ultimate,
Speaker 1: going the prize, but I had a blast in college.
Speaker 1: You talked to us about.
Speaker 3: Where'd you go to college? Yet?
Speaker 1: Uh you the dr No backyard university. The streets are hard.
Speaker 1: Not as a freshman starting get a chance to win
Speaker 1: a national championship at Villanova. Talked to us about that experience.
Speaker 4: It was that year was fun. And I say it
Speaker 4: was fun because it was it was up ups and downs.
Speaker 4: Like as a freshman, I was all American and so like,
Speaker 4: I'm thinking, like I'm gonna go like I'm gonna do
Speaker 4: my thing, and like I know, obviously when I got
Speaker 4: to Villanova, it was like it was team oriented. Those
Speaker 4: dudes were He had a bunch of older dudes. But
Speaker 4: I knew I had a chance to come in and compete,
Speaker 4: to start and everything. So coach tried didn't give me anything.
Speaker 4: I knew I was gonna have to compete for everything.
Speaker 4: But coach writes another one who like everything was mental,
Speaker 4: like your mental approaches everything and so like he would
Speaker 4: come into practice some days and try and break you
Speaker 4: and see where you were. And that was his goal
Speaker 4: to see where we were as a team. And with me,
Speaker 4: I just could not let that happen in my three years.
Speaker 4: I was like, this man would never be able to
Speaker 4: do that, do that. But and we fought, man, we
Speaker 4: fought like hell. We had like little things going on
Speaker 4: throughout the season. But the one thing I realized that
Speaker 4: our practices were way harder than our games were way harder.
Speaker 4: So we got the game time, We're thinking, these these
Speaker 4: dudes aren't playing as hard as I was like, they
Speaker 4: may be more talented, but they're not going to outdog us.
Speaker 4: That's how I mean. We obviously had different terminology and
Speaker 4: stuff like that, but that was basically what we did.
Speaker 4: And so Coach Wright had that mentality for us, and
Speaker 4: it was it was fun because we just knew the
Speaker 4: other dudes weren't going to just do the little things
Speaker 4: that we were going to do. So if we made shots,
Speaker 4: we were winning. But if things weren't going well for us,
Speaker 4: but Artist's kind of kind of tough en up, and
Speaker 4: he he implemented implemented that into our minds and obviously
Speaker 4: every by the.
Speaker 5: Way, is it ironic school like I know he's married,
Speaker 5: but he's the ladies man. Like the ladies love him
Speaker 5: like you know love coach right Ellen them. Oh that
Speaker 5: she bro.
Speaker 3: She called me and asked me, do I know him really?
Speaker 5: I'm like, nah, I don't know. I'm just looking at
Speaker 5: a picture of him, like but she's not. But she's
Speaker 5: not the first one. I've had other older ladies from
Speaker 5: when I'm working somewhere talk about him so like ladies
Speaker 5: man or something.
Speaker 4: GQJ GQJ. Everyone everyone sees nothing like this. Everyone sees
Speaker 4: that Jay Wright when he walks into practice sometimes and
Speaker 4: he's like, hair's a little messed up, and he got
Speaker 4: that scowl on his face. His first name is Gerald,
Speaker 4: Gerald jailed right, so he was all right. Everyone else
Speaker 4: sees Jay right, but we see Gerald right. You know
Speaker 4: you don't want to see cheryld.
Speaker 1: Right, Jerald's on some ship. How did you learn how
Speaker 1: to play off two feet with? As a Villanova that
Speaker 1: come earlier, very skilled off two feet?
Speaker 4: I learned a little. I learned it with obviously work
Speaker 4: with my dad, but I think at Villanova it was
Speaker 4: like polished, polished it because everyone did it. It was
Speaker 4: something we did every single day. Like kids, you not.
Speaker 4: That's how we started practice. That's how we ended practice
Speaker 4: like that, We started just doing our footwork stuff. And
Speaker 4: so Coach Wright was like, I want you guys to
Speaker 4: have this in your repertoire, knowing that you guys can
Speaker 4: play the other way, but you will always have this
Speaker 4: style of basketball and then it works. It works. And
Speaker 4: then when we won that my freshman year, coach said
Speaker 4: his line with us, He's like, now that I know
Speaker 4: this ship works and it's going to be healthy guys
Speaker 4: next year. Yeah, all right, so we really gotta but
Speaker 4: he really implemented that so us because you knew that
Speaker 4: sometimes people are going to be athletic, more athletic than
Speaker 4: we are. But like, so about how smart we are
Speaker 4: having in our footwork and all themself. So he yeah,
Speaker 4: he every day.
Speaker 3: How many pross on that team for.
Speaker 4: Twenty sixteen, Yeah me, Michael Ryan Archidiac. You know Josh Hart,
Speaker 4: our big man, Daniel Cheffi played in the league for
Speaker 4: a little bit. Who red shirted that year is Dante
Speaker 4: Even James Eric Pascal red shirt that year because he's transferred.
Speaker 1: So six seven, Yeah, that's you guys get a chance
Speaker 1: to win another one. Twenty eighteen so two time champ,
Speaker 1: also National Player of the Year, you knew it was
Speaker 1: time to go after that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had no choice. Also, the best part about
Speaker 4: it my mama like this, I graduated that year too.
Speaker 3: So I finished.
Speaker 4: I finished three years finishing damn finishing out. But yeah,
Speaker 4: it was that was the plan. Like I be thought
Speaker 4: about it my sophomore year. But that's that's mom, that's
Speaker 4: work man.
Speaker 1: I love.
Speaker 4: I can't give that dad said. Dad wanted me to
Speaker 4: do it, but Mom was like, nine.
Speaker 1: On, you make sure you did it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was I went How hard did have to
Speaker 3: graduate three years? Yeah? It took me for and I
Speaker 3: still didn't forty five and I even thought about it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that he crushing by.
Speaker 1: What was your I mean, obviously graduation, National Player of
Speaker 1: the Year, two time NCAA champ. What was your draft process? Like,
Speaker 1: did you have to do a bunch of workouts?
Speaker 3: You do a few?
Speaker 4: I did nine. I did nine workouts draft processes. It
Speaker 4: wasn't too bad, obviously, like nine workouts is a lot
Speaker 4: like that with the travel and everything. But a lot
Speaker 4: of people did more, so I couldn't make complain. Some
Speaker 4: people were doing like twenty twenty five, so I think
Speaker 4: I did a decent amount.
Speaker 1: Any member of the ones, like guys you went up
Speaker 1: against in the draft that were supposed to be higher
Speaker 1: or whatever it. Maybe sometimes you hear those draft stories.
Speaker 4: I think I think the one draft story that always
Speaker 4: comes to minds at the Utah and the Grayson Allen
Speaker 4: is there. Grayson Allen got drafted off workout. Really, yes,
Speaker 4: the drafted the Utah off that workout. He dominated. Really
Speaker 4: couldn't be mad at it because I wasn't playing terrible.
Speaker 4: I think I think I was on his team too,
Speaker 4: the three on three team. Man, he was cooking. He
Speaker 4: got drafted off that workout a lot, like they knew
Speaker 4: it right away.
Speaker 1: So he was their type of player too, kind of
Speaker 1: Matt Harpring type.
Speaker 3: Matt Harpin was.
Speaker 5: A problem because when I talk about Utah, aboud say,
Speaker 5: I'm out of this conversation. You get drafted with Luca
Speaker 5: gotta beat the U. I wouldn't say the best draft ever,
Speaker 5: but close to it. Which what you think about the draft.
Speaker 5: Plass my draft because I'm I'm just Dylan. But this
Speaker 5: guy Dylan back here, he goes he's a big time
Speaker 5: basketball head, so he goes overboard with some of the
Speaker 5: things he says some times the best draft ever.
Speaker 4: But I won't say I won't say ever. I would
Speaker 4: say if it's the best draft class ever, because that
Speaker 4: dude's a Hall of Famer, I'll say that that dude.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 4: It's funny because I remember first medium, that language very
Speaker 4: was hilarious, hilarious. Can he can speak way better English now?
Speaker 4: But he came in right away and he just like
Speaker 4: it looks so effortless, like my style. I gotta come
Speaker 4: in every day, I gotta do this, I do that,
Speaker 4: I do this just to make sure that like they
Speaker 4: just see this man just come in the gym, they
Speaker 4: do his work, and when he play pick up, it
Speaker 4: just looked like he's doing that slow motion but he's
Speaker 4: doing whatever he wants. And I'm thinking, I play like
Speaker 4: my own page, like I control the game whatever whatever.
Speaker 4: I do it a little differently, but his is on
Speaker 4: another level. So from day one, I was like, this
Speaker 4: dude is good. This dude's good. But like also I'm thinking, like,
Speaker 4: like damn, this dude is good.
Speaker 3: Do I belong?
Speaker 4: That's what that's all like the type of doubt that
Speaker 4: put in my mind, Like this dude he was he
Speaker 4: was that good? I came in. You can ask any
Speaker 4: vet on that team. It was like DeAndre Jordan's, Wes Matthews,
Speaker 4: Harrison Barnes, j J Brea, Devin Harris, they all say
Speaker 4: the same thing. The dude just came in and everyone
Speaker 4: was just like wow and just we see it started.
Speaker 3: I didn't who got drafted in bronze class him? Mellow right.
Speaker 3: I just wanted to throw that out, the.
Speaker 4: MAVs personally getting him and Luca in the same draft.
Speaker 3: Okay, you didn't say that on this ship. He didn't
Speaker 3: write it on there though.
Speaker 5: Who is Luca off the court? The kid kid like
Speaker 5: all of us? Yeah, big kid he was. He's a
Speaker 5: cool dude.
Speaker 4: Uh. He realized to just relax and kind of be
Speaker 4: out of the spotlight, which I like about him. He's
Speaker 4: not like he doesn't like the attention on the earth chill,
Speaker 4: just wants to hang out and all that stuff. He's
Speaker 4: really low key.
Speaker 1: He's like, what's one of your favorite stories that you
Speaker 1: could tell about you and him or something happened or
Speaker 1: practice games, travel, any any funny stories with you two ones.
Speaker 4: I've been in a couple of times, for sure, Oh
Speaker 4: for sure. And there's there's evidence too, there's video evidence too,
Speaker 4: So I just had to throw that out there. Some
Speaker 4: stories on me and Luca, I would say like the
Speaker 4: longer I was able to be on the court, on
Speaker 4: the court with him, BE gained much more respect. So
Speaker 4: our friendship grew like that. Of course, obviously I wasn't
Speaker 4: playing as much until I obviously it got better and
Speaker 4: better each year. And so, man, we used to we
Speaker 4: used to gamble on the plane. Man, you sed to
Speaker 4: gamble on the plane, played tom I didn't playing right,
Speaker 4: I didn't play. I'm cool cool. We used to play,
Speaker 4: used to play tonk a little bit. So I'm obviously
Speaker 4: the lowest uh paid player at the table and so
Speaker 4: but uh, the only thing about Luca never pays his
Speaker 4: bets right away.
Speaker 1: Some people still some people was DJ the dealer because
Speaker 1: DJ cheeks dj J didn't play.
Speaker 4: I didn't play. I played like freshman, didn't playing a
Speaker 4: rooie year. I played like closer to my theater. See,
Speaker 4: we didn't do that.
Speaker 3: I got to pay up.
Speaker 5: You get off the playing that was writing checks.
Speaker 4: Also like it's from the MAVs. I remember you know
Speaker 4: how you get like pretty n Yeah, we got it
Speaker 4: on a debit card, so we never got.
Speaker 5: Cash right there. That's that's dope. How was Dirk being
Speaker 5: around dirt amazing? Nunbelievable.
Speaker 4: It was crazy because he's another dude is just a
Speaker 4: big kid. Like he's a big kid. But I remember
Speaker 4: seeing him like just like fighting to like get back
Speaker 4: on the court because he had I think he had
Speaker 4: then ankle procedure right before my rookieyear, so he was
Speaker 4: just fine to get back. And I'm seeing how hardest
Speaker 4: Due is working at year twenty one, knowing that this
Speaker 4: probably is last year, So made me think about like
Speaker 4: maybe just like five or six years ago, like what
Speaker 4: he was doing to like get himself ready to go.
Speaker 3: And so.
Speaker 4: That dude's work. I think in his mind a year
Speaker 4: twenty one was off the charts, so obviously he couldn't
Speaker 4: do the things he used to do.
Speaker 1: But mine's still sharp as ever.
Speaker 5: Yeah, for me, he's probably the smartest coach and probably
Speaker 5: the first coach to well besides Pop, but the first
Speaker 5: coach to actually believing me to be a star on
Speaker 5: the team. What did Rick Carlile do for you and
Speaker 5: what type of coach was he to you?
Speaker 4: Rick is different? I love Rick, Yes, he's different. Different.
Speaker 4: When I say different, man, he's just he's hilarious. Like
Speaker 4: from from the way he calls timeouts to everything he does.
Speaker 4: This is a quirky dude. But when it comes to basketball, man,
Speaker 4: he's just like genius, genius, genius.
Speaker 5: He was.
Speaker 4: He was a great, great dude. When I played, he
Speaker 4: let me go. When I go, he let me go.
Speaker 4: And so when I used to talk to AI about
Speaker 4: the things I had to do whatever, Like I was like, coach,
Speaker 4: like what I gotta doyada? He just basically just go play, man,
Speaker 4: Let's go play. Be yourself. He told me to limit
Speaker 4: my mid ranges. But I was thinking, I make him
Speaker 4: be good, making me good.
Speaker 5: But he's it's a mythod behind everything he say though
Speaker 5: he everything is calculating.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's calculating, calculated. Everything is calculating. He was a
Speaker 4: great He was a great dude to play for. I
Speaker 4: loved it.
Speaker 5: He's the only coach man that I played from fourteen
Speaker 5: years that begin the season he bring each player, the
Speaker 5: starting five. He bring each player in before the season
Speaker 5: and tell them what he wants them to do, so
Speaker 5: you know your role, so it's not you're not going
Speaker 5: out to step on nobody toes up. You're doing much
Speaker 5: best for the team. And when the coach does that,
Speaker 5: it's simplified. He simplifies it for players where the can
Speaker 5: understand what he need him to do. He's the only
Speaker 5: coach to do ever done it, and I think all
Speaker 5: coaches should do that with players.
Speaker 4: He's he's definitely straightforward, which I love. Whether it was
Speaker 4: whether you liked it or not, Yep, there it is.
Speaker 1: It ain't no guess work Knicks free agency. Was there
Speaker 1: a chance in Dallas? The bright lights in New York
Speaker 1: will call your name, talk to us about your free agency.
Speaker 4: There's a chance, Okay, there's a chance. I really did
Speaker 4: want to stay in Dallas. I think before the season,
Speaker 4: before my fourth season in Dallas, the last season in Dallas,
Speaker 4: we try to extend our contract whatever he can get.
Speaker 4: The most we can get was like four years and
Speaker 4: fifty five million, and so obviously want to do that.
Speaker 4: I wanted to stay there. I thought I'd be there
Speaker 4: for a long time, and I liked my role there.
Speaker 4: It's funny because my agent was like, I mean, you
Speaker 4: can do so much, you can do you can get more,
Speaker 4: you can get more. I'm saying, like, well, like I
Speaker 4: just want to be safe. I'm not trying to gamble
Speaker 4: right now. This is not something you really gamble with
Speaker 4: if it's out there, right, and so, but they were like,
Speaker 4: we want to see where we're at, and like twenty
Speaker 4: twenty five games into the season, but we were like,
Speaker 4: all right, well, if we're not going to do it,
Speaker 4: I kind of don't want to do it until after
Speaker 4: the season. I'm not trying to think about.
Speaker 1: This during the season, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So there's a period where Luca went out and
Speaker 4: I started to start, and I was playing really well.
Speaker 4: I think it was averaging like twenty and like six
Speaker 4: maybe whatever, And so it was about that twenty twenty
Speaker 4: five mark, and so we went back. We're like, hey, like,
Speaker 4: if the deal's there, we're thinking about it, like I'll
Speaker 4: do it like right now. Still it was no like
Speaker 4: it was It wasn't hard, No, it was just like
Speaker 4: we want to see, we want to see something.
Speaker 1: Like this was Dallas.
Speaker 4: This is Dallas, doubt because I originally I wanted to
Speaker 4: stay there, and so trade deadline comes, I'm like thinking, like,
Speaker 4: if I'm not getting extended, I'm probably gonna get traded. Probably.
Speaker 4: I think the way I've been playing like there's just
Speaker 4: like I'm playing somewhat decent, and so that didn't happen.
Speaker 4: And then yeah, so the deal came on the table
Speaker 4: after the trade deadline. I was like, I no, I
Speaker 4: think I think I've outgrown that. Now personally, that's what
Speaker 4: I thought. I was, I think I've outgrown that. Obviously
Speaker 4: going to playoffs, Luke gets hurt like second to last game,
Speaker 4: in the last game of the season, and so where he's
Speaker 4: out for the first three games, and I obviously did
Speaker 4: what I did, and looking back and looking back and
Speaker 4: so that all happens. I'm trying, I'm trying to think
Speaker 4: of my timeline so I don't mess up. So they
Speaker 4: we losing the Western Conference Finals, and I remember seeing
Speaker 4: something on Twitter after the game and it was like
Speaker 4: Mark saying, hey, like we can pay him the most money,
Speaker 4: and so he says that on Twitter, he says that
Speaker 4: in an interview like whatever whatever, like reterally right after
Speaker 4: the game. And so I'm thinking, like, all right, I'm okay.
Speaker 4: I just after that, it was like crickets from my
Speaker 4: point of view, I can't speak to anyone else on
Speaker 4: myag From my point of view, it was crickets and so,
Speaker 4: and obviously I saw like New York making moves and
Speaker 4: saw that stuff.
Speaker 3: I was like home.
Speaker 4: Coase to home two hours away from where I was,
Speaker 4: or an hour away from when I was born. Parents
Speaker 4: over on the East Coast. Whole family is on the
Speaker 4: East Coast. So I started thinking like, Okay, this could
Speaker 4: be a real thing. And so then here we are.
Speaker 3: Be'st move you made?
Speaker 4: That's moves.
Speaker 1: What's the experience been like with TIBs? Old school, tough, those.
Speaker 4: TIBs, I would say, me and Tibbs, his relationship is
Speaker 4: different because here's the backstory. My dad went to Salem
Speaker 4: High School in Salem, Massachusetts. Tibbs went to Salem State,
Speaker 4: so that's how they met when my dad was in
Speaker 4: high school, So that relationship started there. And so they
Speaker 4: played pick up and all that stuff. They knew each
Speaker 4: other from just being in the area, so that relationship
Speaker 4: started there. And then my dad was with the Knicks
Speaker 4: when Tims's assistant coach when they went to the finals,
Speaker 4: and so obviously the relationships continued to grow and never
Speaker 4: and then my dad also coached with Tibbs and the Bulls.
Speaker 4: So that's why I moved to Chicago and then he
Speaker 4: was with the Timberwls with TIBs. So I've known Tibbs
Speaker 4: pretty much since I can yeah, my whole life. So
Speaker 4: when I got to here, this dude pushes me the
Speaker 4: same way I saw him push any other player. Doesn't
Speaker 4: really give me special treatment. Who's still who yell at me?
Speaker 4: Who yelled at me like I could have a Wideman
Speaker 4: shot in the corner. He's gonna yell at me for something,
Speaker 4: so like, ain't it Ain't like it's no like pres
Speaker 4: roll or special treatment at all. He just he pushed
Speaker 4: me every single day. He wants me the best practic
Speaker 4: every single day. And people say that he doesn't. He
Speaker 4: lives it. This man was in the gym, is in
Speaker 4: the facility yesterday after our last game, now giving me
Speaker 4: a call at ten am, Like it's like talking about basketball.
Speaker 4: What I thought about the game last night as a coach.
Speaker 4: I haven't watched it. I'm getting, I'm packing, I'm going
Speaker 4: to All Star. This is why I think he's always
Speaker 4: pushing me that way. So, I mean, our relationship is
Speaker 4: different just because I know him for so long, But
Speaker 4: I mean I love that man.
Speaker 3: What was your Team USA experience like and losing At
Speaker 3: the same time.
Speaker 4: I'll say this, my Team USA experience was great for
Speaker 4: me and all the team, the guys going to all
Speaker 4: these special places Spain, I would AaB be the Philippines.
Speaker 4: As soon as we lost, right and we were done,
Speaker 4: I forgot about everything that just happened. So it went
Speaker 4: like it was that whole tip just didn't happened. That's
Speaker 4: what it felt in my mind. I was like, you
Speaker 4: didn't win. We didn't win. So everyone's like, oh my,
Speaker 4: how was your trip? When I got back, I'm like, sucked, right,
Speaker 4: we lost, Like he said, Oh, but you went to
Speaker 4: like Spain do all this stuff like that doesn't matter.
Speaker 4: Like I wasn't on vacation. I wasn't on vacation or
Speaker 4: nothing like. I was just like the whole trip was
Speaker 4: ruined for me as soon as we lost.
Speaker 3: Oh school, this is that's cilic.
Speaker 4: It's just real.
Speaker 5: I think you're gonna get in an NBA title because
Speaker 5: one way, I think he's just one of those guys
Speaker 5: like me that just wins everywhere.
Speaker 1: It's going to get it.
Speaker 3: I think he's one of those people.
Speaker 5: I hope, Yeah, are you hoping to be on the
Speaker 5: next Olympic team? Twenty four men.
Speaker 4: I couldn't say no unless obviously it was something was
Speaker 4: to happen or whatever special circumstance. I'm always open to it.
Speaker 4: I'm always over to it. That's just opportunity that doesn't
Speaker 4: come too often.
Speaker 5: Right, Congratulations on the pod Man Mad waiting for a
Speaker 5: invite the Roommate. The Roommate showed you and Josh Hart
Speaker 5: talk about the pod that come about the.
Speaker 4: Pods, fun the pods. On the best part about the
Speaker 4: power right now, not the best part, the worst part
Speaker 4: about the power right now? Uh So we the first
Speaker 4: two shows that aired, we did before our last lose,
Speaker 4: Our Lousion Streaks. Everyone's like, oh, oh, once is the
Speaker 4: pot started. Yeah, we haven't recorded since in a minute,
Speaker 4: but I love it because obviously everyone sees the players
Speaker 4: on the court, and obviously in the interviews and asking
Speaker 4: like basketball questions or whatever. Yeah, me and Josh wanna
Speaker 4: talking about basketball, but like we're talking about our relationship
Speaker 4: and how we met and stuff, all the old stuff
Speaker 4: to get us where we are.
Speaker 1: Just the conversation.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like we just want to talk. Like people don't
Speaker 4: see NBA players talk about what's going on when they're
Speaker 4: playing in the n B a in real time, in
Speaker 4: real time, and so I mean, obviously it's like it's
Speaker 4: a second fiddle to what we're doing. We're hooping. We
Speaker 4: were hooping right now. But man, it's fine. I'm excited.
Speaker 4: And for sure, Yo, we'll set that up therapeutic too.
Speaker 3: It's therapeutic.
Speaker 1: We're definitely down to come to How did your partnership
Speaker 1: with Bose come about?
Speaker 4: They came to me, Man, they came to me. I'm
Speaker 4: not gonna lie. I think bows surprised me because I
Speaker 4: was I was an Apple kid my entire life. Everyone's
Speaker 4: like Apple, Apple, and and Bose came to me. I
Speaker 4: put them on and noise cancelationship is real. No, No,
Speaker 4: I like it is real. Like you put the ear
Speaker 4: box their earbuds in and on the plane on her
Speaker 4: nothing nothing, man, I love it.
Speaker 1: Shout out too, because they lay stuff with some stuff.
Speaker 3: For our bags.
Speaker 1: Yes, they did appreciate it here about those, but we
Speaker 1: appreciate that. I wondered real quick before and we're heading
Speaker 1: in the U the quick hitters to finish out the show.
Speaker 1: But I just want to know real quick, what has
Speaker 1: it been like playing with your college teammates in New
Speaker 1: York of all places. Obviously Dante's been playing really well.
Speaker 1: You're doing your thing, Josh got paid. Like what is
Speaker 1: that like to kind of obviously have the college experience
Speaker 1: but then have it like this on the biggest stage
Speaker 1: in New York.
Speaker 4: Man, it's fun, man, it's fun. New York is The
Speaker 4: Garden is a special place, so we used to play there.
Speaker 4: I probably played in the Garden in college about sixteen times. Yeah,
Speaker 4: the biggest tournament. Whenever you played Saint John's, we played
Speaker 4: them at the Garden. We had a couple like neutral
Speaker 4: site games at the Garden, so I was like fifteen
Speaker 4: and one at the Garden. I was like fifteen and one.
Speaker 4: Is something that we lost one game. It was to
Speaker 4: see in all a freshman y and the biggest championship.
Speaker 4: I remember that. We'll never forget that. But playing with
Speaker 4: those three, like especially in the place that we used
Speaker 4: to play in a lot and it's awesome. You don't
Speaker 4: like people talk about like you get these opportunities like
Speaker 4: this and something you should really like cherish man, like
Speaker 4: pretty much your boys used to like go at it
Speaker 4: with every single day and practice. Like I said, practices
Speaker 4: were hard in the games in college, so we used
Speaker 4: to like ballot for me and Josh gott into a
Speaker 4: couple of altercations. John Tay and Dosh got to way
Speaker 4: more stuff because they used to guard each other and
Speaker 4: like go at it. But to see where we are now,
Speaker 4: like how we've all like matured, like not just with basketball,
Speaker 4: with life, and it's it's crazy, man, it's unbelievable.
Speaker 3: Blessed man. Enjoy it.
Speaker 1: Enjoy it all right, Uh, quick hitters, first team to
Speaker 1: come to mind. Give us your thoughts. Top five point
Speaker 1: guards in NBA history.
Speaker 4: Magic. I'm not going to order magic. Steph Steve Nash,
Speaker 4: he killed me if I didn't say it. Jason kidd Uh,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go with my guy to cp C.
Speaker 3: That's my dog. Did you have a childhood crush? Who's
Speaker 3: your child crush?
Speaker 4: Beyonce?
Speaker 1: Beyonce easy call. Most underrated food spot in New York underrated.
Speaker 4: I always do the overrated places, underrated.
Speaker 1: Or maybe maybe one of your favorite low key spots.
Speaker 4: It's a little it's a little Italian spot underground. It's
Speaker 4: called Scalontonella Skeleton Ellen Scallon Tanilla. That's right close enough.
Speaker 4: Real talent. I'm talking about authentic, authentic Italians.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, it's your guilty pleasure. It's crazy.
Speaker 4: Whenever I can't keep him in the house, oreos regular.
Speaker 1: Double stuff to get.
Speaker 4: Keep him in the house. One time my wife brought
Speaker 4: him into the house and she tried to hide them
Speaker 4: from me. I was looking for something else and I
Speaker 4: saw them. I closed the doorback. I was like, damn, man,
Speaker 4: I know where these are. Now I could have sleep
Speaker 4: in the middle of the night. I'm like, I need
Speaker 4: a snack.
Speaker 1: With or without milk?
Speaker 5: Uh either or it doesn't matter. Have you experienced the
Speaker 5: Delta Bisco offs Delta? Never heard of them? My goodness,
Speaker 5: you got Delta just for the cookies.
Speaker 1: That's the reason.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: One thing you wish you were better at?
Speaker 3: Golf? Oh? I like that.
Speaker 4: Golf and video games?
Speaker 3: What video game you play?
Speaker 4: Play call? Do they play Fortnite? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I would say n A four is when to come
Speaker 3: out of college football. I can't for that for that.
Speaker 4: I'll say that because I'll say video games because my
Speaker 4: boys be calling me. Man, I'm always on the one
Speaker 4: first one dying whatever whatever. Every days like I'll be
Speaker 4: playing well too, and I die. Here we go again.
Speaker 4: I'm like, bro, I'm playing well today, you're the weakest link.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm always the weakest tripping I do it in
Speaker 5: real life. One guess you would like to see on
Speaker 5: all the smoke, But but you have to help us
Speaker 5: get your answer on the show.
Speaker 1: Close with yeah something you are cool rolodex of yours.
Speaker 4: Josh would be the easy answer. So I'm not gonna
Speaker 4: say that.
Speaker 5: I want to I got I just want to talk
Speaker 5: to him though, because he's seemed funny as hell.
Speaker 4: He has no filter. I know he's I can tell
Speaker 4: sometimes on our show he starts talking to him like this, dude,
Speaker 4: just just Josh just torn it down a little bit. No, no, no,
Speaker 4: I gotta I gotta do it. I'm like, all right,
Speaker 4: but uh, it's very cool, dude, I see you gotta
Speaker 4: be him, man, he's unhinged. Yeah, you don't care.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this would be a great place for a little
Speaker 3: bit of me and him exactly.
Speaker 1: Well, Jacon, man, we appreciate you stopping by your best
Speaker 1: of luck in the three point contests, enjoy yourself in
Speaker 1: the All Star Game, and then continue to push it.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, I feel like you guys
Speaker 1: have something special out there. Continue to build on that
Speaker 1: and best of luck on your run to the playoffs.
Speaker 4: Thank you man, I appreciate it. Thank yousing.
Speaker 1: That's a rap man. Jason Brunson All Star twenty twenty
Speaker 1: four Indiana. We'll see y'all next week.