Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heart Radio podcast.
Speaker 2: This week's Thursday Therapy, We've got Randy Spelling on. So
Speaker 2: he's an American life coach and former actor. He's the
Speaker 2: brother of Tory Spelling, the son of Candy and Aaron Spelling.
Speaker 2: When he was seventeen, he started acting in Malibu Shores.
Speaker 2: He also did a stint on Beverly Hills, Nano two
Speaker 2: and Oh. But now he's got a Randy Spelling coaching program.
Speaker 2: So let's get him on and talk all things life coaching.
Speaker 1: Hi, good to see you.
Speaker 2: How are you good to see you too?
Speaker 3: You do them?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm doing well. Thanks. How about you?
Speaker 3: Oh, you know, just another day. It's a great day.
Speaker 3: It's a great day.
Speaker 2: I'm very excited to talk to you about your coaching
Speaker 2: program because I feel like there's so many different options
Speaker 2: out there, and I want to know what for you
Speaker 2: is the thing that sets you aside from the other
Speaker 2: coaching programs out there that someone's like I want him
Speaker 2: as my coach. I mean for me, it's like you know,
Speaker 2: you know the few and it's something I've always wanted
Speaker 2: to do, but I have like this it stops me
Speaker 2: and I don't know why, but I also want to
Speaker 2: get into that too. So, okay, what is for you
Speaker 2: the thing that kind of sets you apart from the
Speaker 2: other life coaches out there?
Speaker 1: I think something.
Speaker 3: We're going right into.
Speaker 2: It, by the way, too, just writ we want to
Speaker 2: you because we have a lot of questions.
Speaker 3: We want to do everything.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, let's speed date. I love it. So I
Speaker 1: think what sets me apart, like what sets anyone else apart,
Speaker 1: is their fingerprint, their footprint, the way that they walk
Speaker 1: in the world, and what they have experienced. And while
Speaker 1: I think we go through so many similar experiences as
Speaker 1: human beings, it's one of the things that I think
Speaker 1: unites all of us. I started in Hollywood, growing up
Speaker 1: with everything basically and realize that everything doesn't mean everything,
Speaker 1: so reverse engineering it going. Okay, wait, everyone looks at
Speaker 1: me thinking that I have everything, and yet I feel
Speaker 1: empty inside. I don't know what my purpose is. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to find my way. I see this world outside
Speaker 1: of me and everyone is looking up to the people
Speaker 1: around me, and yet people aren't happy. What makes people tick?
Speaker 1: What drives people? So from early on it was very
Speaker 1: empathic feeling everyone else's emotions and it was super sensitive.
Speaker 1: As a child, that was really confusing. It was like
Speaker 1: walking around like an exposed nerve and I didn't know
Speaker 1: how to manage all the information that I was receiving.
Speaker 1: So I feel like my lifelong journey has been finding
Speaker 1: what matters from the inside out, constructing that and having
Speaker 1: a way to shortcut people so they may not have
Speaker 1: to do the twenty years of going through the same
Speaker 1: patterning over and over and over, and how to link
Speaker 1: intuition and use intuition to guide you.
Speaker 3: I feel like I've found you about fifteen years too late.
Speaker 3: Like I'm like, I could have really cut it some thing. So,
Speaker 3: I mean there's a lot of Copey under my belt
Speaker 3: over here. Tell me about high Vibe because I feel
Speaker 3: like if if I'm like, I don't know why, but
Speaker 3: I feel drawn to what you have to say. I
Speaker 3: think it is a lot because you grew up in
Speaker 3: completely opposite circumstances like fundamentally as I did. That I'm
Speaker 3: it feels enlightening to me that you would be involved
Speaker 3: and like your parents are your parents, and your sister's
Speaker 3: your sister and who they are that you would be
Speaker 3: in this like deeper dive and an introspective kind of
Speaker 3: career path. So I want to be a high viber,
Speaker 3: I think, but what does that even entail? Like are
Speaker 3: you going to come in and what are you telling
Speaker 3: me things? Are you sending me links? What are you doing? Randy?
Speaker 1: Tell me what am I doing? So I'm actually not
Speaker 1: doing all that much you are. So in terms of
Speaker 1: High Vibe, it's my monthly membership and it's really just
Speaker 1: a community, a way for people to come in hang out.
Speaker 1: The thing about high vibe, and you hear this a lot,
Speaker 1: like in the spiritual community, it got kind of trendy
Speaker 1: like high vibe, high vibe. The thing about high vibe
Speaker 1: is you have to deal with all of the things
Speaker 1: that are keeping you low vibe. You have to deal
Speaker 1: with all the things that you go through on a
Speaker 1: daily basis. So in order to have your energy up here,
Speaker 1: it's the healthy habits, It's the way that you think,
Speaker 1: it's the way that you show up in the world,
Speaker 1: your way of being. And so the way that I
Speaker 1: work with people, I try at least, is always the
Speaker 1: deepest that I possibly can because I just don't do
Speaker 1: surface very well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's always very hard for me too, especially I'm like,
Speaker 2: I don't want to go to a party, and just like, oh, look,
Speaker 2: I the small talk is my least favorite thing. It works,
Speaker 2: It's it's at the absolute worst, Like I want to
Speaker 2: I want to know every part of you, the insides out.
Speaker 2: It's like the good, the bad. What have you struggled
Speaker 2: with and you know or what have you know? What
Speaker 2: if what's the biggest lesson you've learned? And that is
Speaker 2: like those kind of conversations are what excite me. And
Speaker 2: that's it's hard. When someone invites me to go somewhe
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't want to go. I just I can't.
Speaker 2: I can't do the small talk.
Speaker 1: I know it's so hard, and I mean you've been
Speaker 1: through it. I've been listening to a lot of what
Speaker 1: you share, and I mean you have had quite a
Speaker 1: healing journey and introspection journey and sharing all of that.
Speaker 1: So I would imagine, you know, you seem very passionate
Speaker 1: about it. So I would imagine that just making small
Speaker 1: talk and talking about weather and different things after a
Speaker 1: while can feel kind of draining.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's it actually takes I think it
Speaker 2: takes more effort to have small talk then it is
Speaker 2: the other way around, Like for me at least, I agree, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's more draining.
Speaker 3: I think that's also like what this podcast has done best. Right,
Speaker 3: we just are kind of like we are who you know,
Speaker 3: like it's a vulnerability space.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: So when I was kind of reading the notes a
Speaker 2: little bit, and I don't know if this was your words,
Speaker 2: but you said as a kid, you always felt like
Speaker 2: you weren't enough. And I feel like a lot of times,
Speaker 2: you know we is that true? We're not sure? Did
Speaker 2: I did I make that up?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: That's true? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Where where was it for you, like your first indication
Speaker 2: of when you felt that? Because I know when I
Speaker 2: go back and I've done you know, therapy work, I
Speaker 2: can go, okay, this is where you know I've That's
Speaker 2: where I can pinpoint it back to you know, my
Speaker 2: now raising children. I'm like, I'm so mindful of like
Speaker 2: the words that I say and the things that I
Speaker 2: want to make sure for my kids. But I know
Speaker 2: that we all suffer with not feeling enough. So when
Speaker 2: was that moment for you? And then like, how through
Speaker 2: the years have you been able to find that comfort
Speaker 2: of knowing that you're enough?
Speaker 1: So early on I started to draw conclusions. And this
Speaker 1: is not to blame anyone else, but my parents were busy,
Speaker 1: so I may have extrapolated that fact and gone, well,
Speaker 1: I'm not as important as a function or something else,
Speaker 1: which isn't true. But kids don't know how to make
Speaker 1: sense of things, so for me, I turned inward, Oh,
Speaker 1: well it must be me my sister, who's five and
Speaker 1: a half years older. You know, I wanted to watch cartoons,
Speaker 1: she wanted to watch the news, and we would end
Speaker 1: up fighting, or she didn't want me in her room
Speaker 1: and she didn't want to play with me. Understandably at times, right,
Speaker 1: I could be the annoying little brother. But then I
Speaker 1: took that and I was like, oh, yep, I'm not enough.
Speaker 1: And I started to bring these conclusions in and that
Speaker 1: became my modus OPERENDI. That's how I viewed myself, so
Speaker 1: that anytime something would happen, my brain would scan and go, yep,
Speaker 1: I know what that is. Oh I'm asking for something
Speaker 1: and you're rejecting me. I'm not enough. My third grade
Speaker 1: girlfriend who I was in love with for two days
Speaker 1: and was sobbing because she broke up with me, I'm
Speaker 1: not enough. So years of doing that led to some
Speaker 1: really really deep ravines of not enoughness.
Speaker 3: Was there a specific, like pinpointed moment that you knew like, okay, this,
Speaker 3: from this moment forward, I've got to start doing some
Speaker 3: rewiring or some changing or identifying. Was there like a
Speaker 3: pivotal moment or was it kind of just like a
Speaker 3: compound interest of collected minutes going like ugh, you know,
Speaker 3: like I think it's time to rewid because rewiring as
Speaker 3: an adult is really hard work.
Speaker 1: It is. It is. Yep, Listen, I help people change
Speaker 1: for a living, and it is not easy. So I'm
Speaker 1: just going to say that, and I think this is
Speaker 1: good for people to know it doesn't always have to
Speaker 1: be the hardest thing in the world. But you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes someone will do something and they'll write a gratitude
Speaker 1: list and they do it for four days. They try
Speaker 1: and change something and after a week they get frustrated.
Speaker 1: It's because change takes time. It's hard. So for me,
Speaker 1: I'd been in therapy since I was about twenty two,
Speaker 1: but I think my one catalyst moment there was a
Speaker 1: culmination of a few, but my catalyst moment was my
Speaker 1: father had passed away in two thousand and six. There
Speaker 1: is a lot of family drama and media stuff going
Speaker 1: on at the time, and I was deep, deep in addiction,
Speaker 1: living my most in offuthentic life possible, and my friends
Speaker 1: thought I was going to die. I mean, it was really,
Speaker 1: really bad. And I remember this one night, three in
Speaker 1: the morning. I'd been up for a couple days, and
Speaker 1: you know, I had all these relics in my apartment
Speaker 1: I had. I had Buddhist statues and crystals, and it
Speaker 1: was very zen. And I looked at all this and
Speaker 1: I just thought, none of this matters. I have all
Speaker 1: this around me, and I feel completely empty. And I
Speaker 1: remember I was searching for things to fill me up,
Speaker 1: and I had nothing else in my apartment. And I
Speaker 1: fell to my knees and I called my dad, Pops
Speaker 1: at the end of his life, and I said, Pops, God, Universe.
Speaker 1: I mean, I called in all the heavy hitters. I said,
Speaker 1: I deeply feel that I'm here for more. I know it,
Speaker 1: I feel it. I've experienced real connection before. I want
Speaker 1: to make a difference. I want to make an impact
Speaker 1: in this world, whatever that looks like. If I'm not
Speaker 1: meant to, if I'm not here for more than please
Speaker 1: take me out. I don't want to experience this anymore.
Speaker 1: And I didn't know what that was going to look like.
Speaker 1: But a few weeks after everything started snowballing and changing,
Speaker 1: and once I got clean, what became very apparent was
Speaker 1: this acth of helping people, and I felt more purposeful
Speaker 1: than ever. But I had to ask some really hard questions.
Speaker 1: Who am I? Who do I want to be? What
Speaker 1: changes do I need to make? And I changed almost
Speaker 1: everything in my life?
Speaker 2: How do you handle knowing what you know, the things
Speaker 2: that you've gone through, what people could say then, but
Speaker 2: who you are now? Like, how do you deal with
Speaker 2: the people that might not be on board with the
Speaker 2: new version?
Speaker 1: I don't think there are many who might not be
Speaker 1: on board.
Speaker 2: I guess you wouldn't care about the ones that if
Speaker 2: either way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But to what you're saying, it's the same thing
Speaker 1: of when someone decides to cut out bread, right, they're
Speaker 1: trying a new way of eating, and they go to
Speaker 1: their family or friends and they get such a hard
Speaker 1: time for eating this. What do you mean you're not
Speaker 1: eating bread? But people have broken bread since the beginning
Speaker 1: of time? What's wrong with you? And I think people
Speaker 1: can feel very threatened by someone improving themselves. And you know,
Speaker 1: I had a client the other day who was saying, this,
Speaker 1: my husband isn't really on board. A couple people that
Speaker 1: I was telling that I was doing this aren't really
Speaker 1: on board. But they start to see the changes, and
Speaker 1: through that threat is an insecurity that what if you
Speaker 1: change so much and I'm left behind? That might look
Speaker 1: really good on you. What does that mean for me?
Speaker 1: So people start questioning themselves, and I would say this,
Speaker 1: you're the only person who you go to bed with
Speaker 1: a night, Truly, I don't care if you're cuddling all night.
Speaker 1: You're in your own head, You're in your own heart.
Speaker 1: You're the one who you wake up with every morning.
Speaker 1: You spend the most time with yourself. If you're not happy,
Speaker 1: if you're not happy with the changes that you make,
Speaker 1: regardless of how anyone else feels, that's time for you
Speaker 1: to make a difference.
Speaker 3: Do you feel who is your Do you have like
Speaker 3: a mentor someone that you lean into? I mean, these
Speaker 3: are huge transformational seasons of life, and like we can
Speaker 3: always you know, like obviously we're both very like we're
Speaker 3: Christian Jesus lover, so for us that we can all
Speaker 3: lean into God but like sometimes you need like a
Speaker 3: like the human form, like a heartbeat, you know, So
Speaker 3: who is that for you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've had a few over the years, and I'm
Speaker 1: just going to say this, there was a period where
Speaker 1: I may have been a little egotistical in thought, I've
Speaker 1: got this, I know this. I've done so much self work,
Speaker 1: so many forms of healing. I work with people all
Speaker 1: day long, and I was quickly humbled realizing that, oh, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I need someone else who can see my blind spots. So,
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes I will talk to a therapist. I
Speaker 1: have a couple guides, as I call them, who are
Speaker 1: more spiritual. They're in human form, but I can talk
Speaker 1: to them, and I definitely lean into that when there's
Speaker 1: something where I'm a little bit shaken by or I
Speaker 1: can't quite see clearly, then I will always lean into them.
Speaker 3: In our speed dating, I have another question before I'm
Speaker 3: rapid fire over here.
Speaker 1: Sorry, before let's do let's do rapid fire. What's your like?
Speaker 3: What's your morning routine look like? Is it the same
Speaker 3: every morning?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: What do you what's your gratitude crowd? You seem just
Speaker 3: like as such a ground and calm energy.
Speaker 2: It's like I came in very anxious podcast and you're
Speaker 2: just very yeah. Like I'm just like, yeah, Randy, tell
Speaker 2: us Randy. So, like when you wake up in the morning,
Speaker 2: what do you do first? Think first? Say first? Is
Speaker 2: it the same every day? Do you do the menu
Speaker 2: of options? Tell us about Randy in the morning.
Speaker 1: Yep. So my morning routine is not perfect. I am
Speaker 1: not the five am, cold plunger, two hour morning routine.
Speaker 1: I have a twelve year old and an eleven year old.
Speaker 1: I'm on morning breakfast duty. Have been their whole lives.
Speaker 1: So when I had kids, I loved I lit up
Speaker 1: when my kids what At first I would go into
Speaker 1: their room when they were in cribs, and then they
Speaker 1: would come into our room, and I loved it. But
Speaker 1: what I realized was, I'm a better me. I'm a
Speaker 1: better father if I have ten to fifteen minutes of
Speaker 1: me time, whether that's a form of movement, whether that's gratitude,
Speaker 1: whether it's breathing, whether it's and I'm not kidding, twelve seconds.
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of micro moment, where twelve seconds
Speaker 1: of just putting your hand on your heart, a feeling
Speaker 1: yourself of you know, having a connection to a higher power,
Speaker 1: whatever that is for you, and just saying thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you for actually being alive and getting a chance
Speaker 1: to experience today. And again, I'm not perfect. I don't
Speaker 1: do this every single day without fail. But most of
Speaker 1: the time I wake up and I realize this actually
Speaker 1: is a privilege and there are things that I'm going
Speaker 1: to be challenged with during the day, but I'm here
Speaker 1: and I get to experience, and the switch from have
Speaker 1: to to get to is big for me.
Speaker 3: Are you a workout guy?
Speaker 1: I am a workout guy?
Speaker 3: Okay, Like, what's your workout? Are you like withp in tires?
Speaker 3: CrossFit style? Are you yoga dude? Are you all the things?
Speaker 1: I'm not a yoga guy at all. I should probably
Speaker 1: do more yoga. So working out for me has become
Speaker 1: really personal because I've always worked out on and off
Speaker 1: my whole life. But I remember right around COVID we
Speaker 1: had just moved into our house and I was doing
Speaker 1: about five minutes of movement like the bare Bear minimum,
Speaker 1: and I realized that wasn't enough, and so I started
Speaker 1: doing a home workout that was longer. And the day
Speaker 1: that I did a thirty forty minute workout and I
Speaker 1: pushed myself. My heart was beating fast. I was pushing
Speaker 1: against the ground and doing different resistance training. My nervous
Speaker 1: system completely regulated and went from here to here, and
Speaker 1: I thought, wow, that is powerful. And I've done a
Speaker 1: lot of research around this. I've suggested this to many clients,
Speaker 1: many hardworking professionals. If you only have two minutes, even
Speaker 1: if you're in between meetings, go to a wall and
Speaker 1: push against the wall. If you don't want to get
Speaker 1: down on the ground, lift something heavy. When you do
Speaker 1: that and your body starts to shake, it's your nervous
Speaker 1: system regulating itself. And a lot of times, I don't
Speaker 1: know if you both find this. When you're feeling anxious,
Speaker 1: A lot of times we try and go, okay, calm down,
Speaker 1: but you're revving inside. So something that I find that
Speaker 1: works really well is meet the rev with the rev.
Speaker 1: Go run down the street, go jump up and down vigorously.
Speaker 1: Because when you meet the same energy, it's like homeopathy.
Speaker 1: They give you coffee, the essence of coffee to treat
Speaker 1: nervous so it cancels each they're out. So meet where
Speaker 1: you're at with the same energy, and then once you
Speaker 1: do that, then when you go to take some deep
Speaker 1: breaths and come back to center. It's much easier.
Speaker 3: I like that. That's literally been my workout program. We're
Speaker 3: both postpartum, so we both have pretty new babies. Mine's
Speaker 3: not as new anymore. She's eleven months. Okay, still new.
Speaker 1: Well that's still new. So yeah, what's your routine? What
Speaker 1: do you like to do?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 3: It's interesting because I grew up I was always a runner.
Speaker 3: I'm not very coordinated, so it just like it was
Speaker 3: a very simple, good choice for me, and didn't you know?
Speaker 3: And then in this it's been a really deep lesson.
Speaker 3: Had a tailbone injury during labor, and so I haven't
Speaker 3: been able to do what I always have done, and
Speaker 3: so I've had to kind of like relearn my body,
Speaker 3: relearn how to gain strength. It's been so much slower,
Speaker 3: which I think is not lost on me. It's a
Speaker 3: lesson for sure, but it's been more pilates like movements
Speaker 3: like the strength of toning the like deeper breaths, and
Speaker 3: more pelvic floor restoration. But I just had posted the
Speaker 3: other d I was out walking and I said something
Speaker 3: similar to what you said. And I don't know why,
Speaker 3: but I felt led to like share it, and I
Speaker 3: went out, I said, I just who wants to walk
Speaker 3: with me tomorrow? Tag me and I'll retag you. And
Speaker 3: it's become this like thing. And I made a printable
Speaker 3: calendar for everyone. I was like, here's your three things
Speaker 3: in a day. Water, walk in the morning, still and
Speaker 3: just check check check. And it's been really moving to watch,
Speaker 3: just like the community of that right like it's saying
Speaker 3: what you're saying, like just getting out. I'm like, I've
Speaker 3: always I'm a very anxious person. I just run a
Speaker 3: little nervous system was kind of developed in fight or flight.
Speaker 3: So the rewiring for me right now is just going
Speaker 3: like I don't have to be so catastrophically anxious about
Speaker 3: like the simplest things. But moving my body and matching
Speaker 3: my body with where my heart rate already is has
Speaker 3: been so therapeutic. And then you just get to kind
Speaker 3: of soak in like the sounds of birds and your
Speaker 3: own footsteps, and it's just yeah, I'm going to need
Speaker 3: to try that. I like that. It's really been so good.
Speaker 3: Like it's almost like I want to like put a
Speaker 3: guarantee on it, Like if you walk for ten minutes,
Speaker 3: you just can't be as sad as you were. I
Speaker 3: think it is actually like a thing, right.
Speaker 1: You know, you know what a really fun thing to
Speaker 1: do is. This came to me one day while I
Speaker 1: was walking down the street. I was in a bad
Speaker 1: mood and I heard just skip and I was like what, No,
Speaker 1: I'm not no, I'm not skipping, like just skip, and
Speaker 1: I started skipping, and I kid you not. It was
Speaker 1: like a movie in slow motion. I was going up
Speaker 1: and down and I started to go from frown to
Speaker 1: laughing and just like, put your eyebrows up right now,
Speaker 1: try it.
Speaker 3: I can try, but I have a lot of otoxic
Speaker 3: go ahead.
Speaker 1: And even that motion changes the brain chemistry of raising
Speaker 1: your eyebrows, so skipping will do that as well. So
Speaker 1: I started laughing, and I have. I've tried this with many,
Speaker 1: many different people. And the act of skipping, because adults
Speaker 1: don't really skip, is in an instant child like thing
Speaker 1: that gets you into play very quickly. And funny enough,
Speaker 1: talking about anxiety, I was doing a core for a
Speaker 1: while around anxiety, and I did a year of research,
Speaker 1: like deep dive research other than just anecdotal and what
Speaker 1: I've known, and I kept coming across the same thing
Speaker 1: that exercise and certain types of exercise. Fifty one percent?
Speaker 1: What was it? They kept saying, fifty one percent effective
Speaker 1: in various mental disorders, and then they were saying it's
Speaker 1: as effective, if not more, than therapy and medication. And
Speaker 1: I just kept seeing that over and over as effective,
Speaker 1: if not more, in different trials. That's something to pay
Speaker 1: attention to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, movement.
Speaker 2: Where can our listeners either do you have a course?
Speaker 2: Is there where where can our listeners kind of find
Speaker 2: you and then your whole program?
Speaker 1: Sure, I'm on Instagram. I'm big on there, interacting with
Speaker 1: people at Randy Spelling or Randy Spelling dot com. I
Speaker 1: have the high vibe monthly membership. I'm just coming out
Speaker 1: with something that I'm super excited about called Introducing You
Speaker 1: two point zero And it's like, love that years of
Speaker 1: work that I've done into a fourteen day experience. It's
Speaker 1: bite size, it's digestible, it's creative, it's fun, and you
Speaker 1: get to do it from your own home and I
Speaker 1: get to walk you through it in fourteen days.
Speaker 2: Love that and like just to leave us with one
Speaker 2: piece of Randy's spelling wisdom, what's one thing that you
Speaker 2: would tell us as a life coach is the most
Speaker 2: important thing we can be doing. Obviously working out for sure,
Speaker 2: but like, what's something kind of like what's your what's
Speaker 2: your quote, what's your mantra, what's your what's your thing
Speaker 2: that can motivate us to get to that you know,
Speaker 2: next level or next step or that that happiness.
Speaker 1: There's so many, but I would say the one that's
Speaker 1: been a guiding light for me is a line with yourself.
Speaker 1: And if that sounds like I don't know what that means,
Speaker 1: it's start listening to yourself and start small. Ask questions
Speaker 1: and see if you can listen and receive the answer.
Speaker 1: Whether you write a question and you let yourself translate
Speaker 1: what you think the answer would be. You know, you
Speaker 1: said something about we're going to laser this, we're going
Speaker 1: to speed date. I think there's a way of asking
Speaker 1: a question and letting something come and if you can
Speaker 1: get into the habit of doing this, of really listening
Speaker 1: to yourself, even if you don't know all the steps,
Speaker 1: if you just get a yes, I should change this relationship.
Speaker 1: Yes I want to do this, but I'm really scared.
Speaker 1: That's beautiful. At least you have one step forward to
Speaker 1: then go to the next step. And a writer once
Speaker 1: told me this, and it always stayed with me. I
Speaker 1: looked at him and I said, how do you write
Speaker 1: a book. I'm writing my book and I'm just meeting
Speaker 1: my self every step of the way and all these limitations.
Speaker 1: And he said, writing is like driving through fog. With
Speaker 1: fog lights, you can only see about, you know, three
Speaker 1: feet in front of you. But if you just keep going,
Speaker 1: little by little, you're gonna get there. And I think
Speaker 1: listening to yourself over and over and over again will
Speaker 1: be so powerful.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 2: Brandy, thank you so much for coming on. Really appreciate you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 3: Appreciate you very much.
Speaker 1: Appreciate you. Yeah. Thanks.
Speaker 3: Bye,