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Speaker 1: From Mediators World News Headquarters in Bozeman, Montana.

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Speaker 2: This is Cal's We Can Review with Ryan cal Callahan.

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Speaker 1: Now Here's Cal. A black bear is believed to have

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Speaker 1: pulled a crash victim from his car after he smashed

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Speaker 1: through a guardrail in Massachusetts last week. That headline might

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Speaker 1: sound like a feel good story, but the truth is

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Speaker 1: more Nature is Metal than Walt Disney. Thanks to listener

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Chang for sending us this story. Officials say thirty

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Speaker 1: one year old Daniel Ducharme was killed in the crash

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Speaker 1: after being either fully or partially ejected from his twenty

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Speaker 1: sixteen Honda Civic. Police arrived at the scene sometime later

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Speaker 1: and found the victim's body outside his car and noticed

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Speaker 1: a bear in the woods nearby. The bruin was likely

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Speaker 1: motivated by more than just curiosity. Officials haven't offered many details,

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Speaker 1: but they say there is evidence that quote the bear

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Speaker 1: at some point had made contact with the victim's body.

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Speaker 1: That evidence, whatever it was, was enough to motivate environmental

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Speaker 1: police to euthanize the bear out of an abundance of caution.

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Speaker 1: End quote. Bears in Massachusetts emerged from hibernation back in March,

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Speaker 1: but they're still trying to put on as many calories

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Speaker 1: as they can. While it's unusual for a bear to

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Speaker 1: feast on a dead human, there is reason to believe

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Speaker 1: that they'd do it more often if they had the chance.

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Speaker 1: In January of last year, a sun bear in Malaysia

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Speaker 1: reportedly broke into a graveyard, dug up a freshly buried body,

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Speaker 1: and ate part of it. Back in twenty twelve, a

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Speaker 1: bear ate and stashed the body of a car crash

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Speaker 1: victim in southern British Columbia. Authorities found pop prints around

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Speaker 1: the driver's side window and then discovered a partially eaten

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Speaker 1: corpse about one hundred and thirty yards from where the

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Speaker 1: car had crashed. Bears may not be scavengers like vultures

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Speaker 1: or buzzards, which specialize in eating dead things, but like us,

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Speaker 1: they're omnivores an opportunists. They'll eat any kind of plant

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Speaker 1: or animal that tastes good and won't make them sick.

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Speaker 1: That's good news for bears, but bad news for any

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Speaker 1: human corpse that happens to be lying around the woods

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Speaker 1: in the springtime. On a slightly lighter but macob note,

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Speaker 1: rest in peace, Honda Civic twenty sixteen. Honda Civic. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if this guy not crashed, that car would have run forever.

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Speaker 1: What about an ad that says, Honda Civic, It'll run

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Speaker 1: as long as you can bear to drive it.

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Speaker 2: Oh bother, this guy stinks.

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Speaker 1: Anyway. This week we've got the fishing report, legislation, wildlife crime,

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Speaker 1: and so much more. But first I'm going to tell

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Speaker 1: you about my week, and there's so much to talk about.

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Speaker 1: We finally got out in the old Black series camper,

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Speaker 1: which took a little bit of wrenching for Turkey season. Embarrassingly,

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Speaker 1: this is just the start of my spring hunting, but

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Speaker 1: as you all know, we got to keep that job.

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Speaker 1: Found birds right away, nowhere near the numbers I was

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Speaker 1: hunting in the same area last year, but super Fun

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Speaker 1: definitely had been hunted very Cagey. Had a couple of

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Speaker 1: close calls, one of which ended up being on the

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Speaker 1: private public property boundary, and after successfully ticking off the

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Speaker 1: yelping hens, they finally came to check us out. By

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Speaker 1: doing so, they drugged two toms with them, and even

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Speaker 1: though they were at thirty yards, I just could not

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Speaker 1: barb wire or not, so I didn't shoot, and that,

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Speaker 1: my friends, is just a great reason not to hunt

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Speaker 1: property boundaries. But as you all know, despite best of intentions,

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Speaker 1: that just happened sometimes. Other cool thing from this recent

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Speaker 1: the stealthy predator that is seldom seen is all of

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Speaker 1: I'd personally love to see the lion hunting season overlap

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Speaker 1: like they do with hound hunting in the fall. If

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Speaker 1: meat eater tour bus. One last thing, I finally drew

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Speaker 1: a Wyoming elk tag, just a plain old general season

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Speaker 1: elk after five years of applying. So that's exciting. Love Wyoming.

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Speaker 1: Looking forward to having the excuse to go check out

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Speaker 1: more of it. Moving on to the suburban fishing desk.

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Speaker 1: Last week I told you about a Florida ha president

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Speaker 1: In another incident reported just a few days later, a

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Speaker 1: the Starkey Ranch subdivision with their fishing poles. One of

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Speaker 1: which tells you how fast they were being chased. Cardio

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Speaker 1: covered this courtesy of Jordan Siller's on the Meat Eater podcast.

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Speaker 1: So take a listen over there, and you know, you

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Speaker 1: It's fishing. These kids are fishing. We're not talking about drugs,

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Speaker 1: not talking about trash. We're talking about fishing, not a game.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about phishing. Tell you what HOA, Presidents, there's

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Speaker 1: always things to be done around at HOA. How about

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Speaker 1: the next article that we review here on the weekend

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Speaker 1: review is HOA president approaches kids who are illegally fishing,

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Speaker 1: gives them summer job in exchange for fishing rights. That's

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Speaker 1: kind of a world we could live in. It's just

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Speaker 1: a choice, jackasses. Moving on to the legislation desk, quick

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Speaker 1: update for you on the Oklahoma CWD bill we've been following.

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Speaker 1: As I mentioned last week, Oklahoma Governor Kevin Stitt signed

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Speaker 1: the bill, which makes the Sooner state the first in

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Speaker 1: seventy three. Here's another update. It looks like a controversial

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Speaker 1: a political appointee, and we know how it usually goes

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Speaker 1: Fish and Wildlife Commissioner. Well done, everyone, and keep up

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Speaker 1: the good work. Your voice matters. You just got to

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Speaker 1: get to the table. Moving on, the Pennsylvania legislature is

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Speaker 1: considering a bill that would give the Game Commission full

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Speaker 1: authority to make rules about hunting on Sundays. Right now,

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Speaker 1: state statute says that hunting on Sundays is prohibited in

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Speaker 1: the Commonwealth, except on three Sundays during deer rifle deer archery,

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Speaker 1: rules beyond that. Senate Bill sixty seven would legalize Sunday

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Speaker 1: but it hasn't gone beyond that so far. The twenty

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Speaker 1: quote knowledgeable in wildlife conservation and restoration. This new seat, however,

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Speaker 1: This might not sound like such a bad thing, but

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Speaker 1: listener Ryan Smith wrote in with some concerns. Specifically, he

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Speaker 1: pointed me to a legislative testimony from BHA Chapter Chair

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Speaker 1: Adam Eckley. Eckley told the Game in Fisheries Committee that

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Speaker 1: to members of the commission having a background in agriculture,

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Speaker 2: While the intent of House Built twenty one oh eight

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Speaker 2: Passage of such a bill, creating what is essentially an

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Speaker 2: assigned seat on the board of Commissioners sets a precedent

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Speaker 2: that opens the door to nefarious organizations who wish to

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Speaker 1: If you want my opinion on this gang, it's pretty

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Speaker 1: darn simple. The purpose of a commission or a committee

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Speaker 1: so for a wildlife commission, those common goals are to

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Speaker 1: ensure that wildlife is being managed in a sustainable way.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes that means growing populations. Sometimes that means taking measures

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Speaker 1: without a doubt, agriculture is represented on the majority of

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Speaker 1: slippery slope argument, which unfortunately can be true, could be that, well,

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Speaker 1: if agriculture gets a seat, what about outdoor recreation, what

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Speaker 1: about bird watchers? What about you know? And here we

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Speaker 1: go and here we go. I think if you can

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Speaker 1: all you need are ed wasn't too long winded anyway.

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Speaker 1: From the state to the national level, a new bill

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Speaker 1: in the US Congress would restore hunting access to the

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Speaker 1: Castle Mountains National Monument In California. Hunting is prohibited on

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Speaker 1: authorized by Congress. When the Castle Mountains National Monument was designated,

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Speaker 1: and hunting opportunities were lost. The Mojave National Preserve Boundary

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Speaker 1: Adjustment Act S. Four one three two would transfer over

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Speaker 1: twenty thousand acres of the Castle Mountains Monument to the

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Speaker 1: adjacent Mojave National Preserve. This would restore public hunting access

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Speaker 1: so on and so on and so on. I apologize

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Speaker 1: for writing in. I'll dig it up and we'll properly

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Speaker 1: honor you on next week's episode. So the Nuanced Points Gang,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna keep working on that stuff. It's more work,

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Speaker 1: So also, hey, tune in mediator YouTube channel. Old Brad

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Speaker 1: no no turkeys in the freezer. We got to fix that.

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