1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the best of the Odd Couple podcasts. 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: Be sure to check us out live every weekday from 3 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: four to seven pm Pacific seven to ten pm Eastern 4 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio. Find your local station for The 5 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: Odd Couple on Fox Sports Radio dot com, or stream 6 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,639 Speaker 1: us every day on the iHeartRadio by searching FSR. 7 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 2: You're listening to the best of the Odd Couple. 8 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 3: Let's go, rob G. 9 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 4: You know my panties won a bunch early early this 10 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,480 Speaker 4: morning about a particular college basketball coach. 11 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 5: Can you clue us in? 12 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 6: Yes, Sir, Robert was really really upset about something that 13 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 6: Bruce Pearl said on Saturday. 14 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 5: I was worked up, rob G. 15 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 7: Yeah, you texted me why the middle of a shoot. 16 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:47,319 Speaker 6: So what we're gonna do is we're gonna play what 17 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 6: Bruce Pearl said that got you upset, and then we're 18 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 6: gonna update the story and let you know what we're 19 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 6: talking about today. 20 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 5: Here's Bruce Pearl on Saturday talking. 21 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 6: About the undefeated Miami of Ohio RedHawks twenty nine and 22 00:00:58,080 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 6: zer on whether or not they deserve to be in the tournament. 23 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 7: Miami, Ohiwe here's the deal. 24 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 8: Are we gonna select the sixty eight most deserving teams, 25 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 8: or we're gonna select the sixty eight best teams. Selecting 26 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 8: the sixty eight best teams, then Mina Moole's gonna have 27 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 8: to win their tournament to qualify as a champion, because 28 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 8: as in at large, they are not one of the 29 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 8: best teams in the country, and that's gonna be a 30 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 8: difficult choice for the committee to make. 31 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 6: Yikes Miikes is right because he got barbecue by a 32 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,479 Speaker 6: lot of people of college people love set basketball. I'm 33 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 6: sure we'll get to with Aaron Torres in hour three. 34 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 6: But one person who was particularly perturbed was Miami Ohio 35 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 6: athletic director David Saylor, who put out a series of 36 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 6: tweets like he was rage tweeting shout out Kevin Durant. 37 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 6: Here's one of the things he said about Bruce Pearl quote, 38 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 6: you are flat out wrong about Miami Ohio basketball when 39 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 6: you say we would finish it last in the Big East. 40 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 5: The disrespect is awful. 41 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 6: You should not be near a TV studio cover in 42 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 6: this sport when you show your true color. 43 00:01:57,960 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 5: Here's the worst part. He even sleeped in. 44 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 6: We went talking about Auburn. Nice work, right, And here's 45 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 6: the thing. This is what got me worked up about this? 46 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:10,239 Speaker 1: Tell me what had Joe Pennies in a bunch that 47 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 1: you kept texting us? 48 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 9: Right? 49 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 4: Yes, First of all, Bruce Pearl, he's got a lot 50 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 4: of baggage he's carrying around. 51 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 5: A lot of people in college basketball don't like that, dude. 52 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 4: Okay, so he's got a lot of people in that 53 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 4: situation he's rubbed the wrong way. But I'm just saying, Kelvin, 54 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 4: what NCAA tournament with sixty eight. 55 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 5: Schools in it. 56 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 4: Is gonna say that a team that's twenty nine to 57 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 4: zero doesn't deserve to be I'm like and then said, well, 58 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 4: it's a schedule. 59 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 3: Twenty nine and zero. 60 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 4: You mean to tell me there's no place the only 61 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 4: way they can make it in the tournament is by 62 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 4: winning their conference? Really like, like, that's the AD's right. 63 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:56,679 Speaker 4: It's totally disrespectful. It makes absolutely no sense. This is 64 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 4: supposedly coming from a basketball coach who knows how hard 65 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 4: it is Kelvin to. 66 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 3: Go twenty nine and oh, I don't care what league you're. 67 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 7: Playing, It doesn't matter what it could be. My daughter's 68 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 7: why I'm. 69 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 4: Right, twenty nine and zero, right, And number two, I 70 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 4: did get to his son's and the coach right took 71 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 4: over for him at Auburn. Right, I got this census. 72 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 4: His son is what fifteen and fourteen, robb g something 73 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 4: like that. He's like under five hundred. This was like 74 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 4: sending out a message without naming his son and the 75 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 4: kids in that school that Auburn being fifteen and fourteen 76 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 4: is better than Miami of Ohio. Do you know what 77 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 4: I mean? Because of the competition. So let me plant 78 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 4: that seed so that my son and Auburn can get 79 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 4: a look over this fraudulent despite being a Division I 80 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 4: program that's that has access to getting into the tournament. Like, 81 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 4: I've never heard anything like that in my love, have you? 82 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 7: No? 83 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: Clearly, this is absolutely a I quit on the team 84 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: right before the season started. 85 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 7: Let me throw my son in there. 86 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: Oops, they're almost five hundred, they're fifteen and fourteen, as 87 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: you mentioned, and all of a sudden, and when you 88 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: look at what they are, they're not great. They're it's 89 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: six and ten in the conference, so like they're gonna 90 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:16,679 Speaker 1: have a shot. 91 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 7: Really, they're out there on the bubble. This isn't. 92 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: Let me throw an OLU to my son to a 93 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 1: school that I coached at to a school that obviously 94 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: I have ties to and still have love for. 95 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 7: That's absolutely what he did. 96 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: And when in the process of doing that he bashed 97 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: another coach whose team has done what they're supposed to 98 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: do and have played very well to the tuite of 99 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 1: not losing in twenty nine to zero. You would think 100 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 1: as a coach he would respect them. 101 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 7: Think as a. 102 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 1: Coach he would go, you know what, I got to 103 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: show some love for him. I know they don't play 104 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: in Big Ten. I know they're not in the Big East, 105 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 1: but they get there playing some great basketball. They're beating 106 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: whoever lines up in front of them, and they're getting 107 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 1: it done. And might have that to you, Rob that 108 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: not everybody who's even in bigger conferences has great records, 109 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: but can make him get in the turn to do something. 110 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 7: Let's go back to the nineteen. 111 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: Ninety seven Arizona Wildcats who had nine losses and they 112 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: only and then it became the only team to beat 113 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: three number one seeds in the single tournament, meaning a 114 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: team that wasn't that great they going to run. Let's 115 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: talk about twenty eleven VCU Rams. Remember them first four. 116 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: They are the first four team that ended up reaching. 117 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 7: The final four. So you don't worry about me. 118 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: If I'm saying by the other coach, let my team 119 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: get in, let us do what we could get blown 120 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: out by sixty me we might win three games. The 121 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,359 Speaker 1: point is we've double what we're supposed to do and 122 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: have a chance to get into this tournament. And by 123 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: the way, there's only really what six to ten teams 124 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:40,919 Speaker 1: that really got a chance to win it. So the 125 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 1: idea that if there's sixty eight teams, every team is 126 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: so deserving. Every team's record has been phenomenal, every team 127 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 1: has had an amazing schedule. 128 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 7: That is that's not true. 129 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 3: It's never been the case that we've never been c 130 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 3: eight teams. 131 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 4: The idea that he could pooh pooh Miami of Ohio. 132 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 5: You know what, I get it. 133 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 4: But if their schedules terrible and it doesn't matter what 134 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 4: they do, then they shouldn't qualify. 135 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 3: They never should have been able to qualify. 136 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:06,239 Speaker 5: For the tournament. 137 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 1: Talking about two thousand and six, I very much remember 138 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: this team, that George Mason team that was that got 139 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: in or and they you know, barely got in. They 140 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: got in there, this eleventh seed, and they ended up 141 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: making it to the final four. So my point is, 142 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: if I'm Miami, Ohio, don't worry about what I'm doing, 143 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: don't worry about our record. We got a shot, we 144 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: got a chance to make some noise. We've taken care 145 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: of our business. How about you your son take care 146 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: of theirs. 147 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 9: Now. 148 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 4: If you think my panties were in a bunch, I 149 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 4: think Dicky V's panties were in a bunch in the 150 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 4: front and the back. 151 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 5: Because he came out with a tweet. He shout out 152 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 5: to Dicky V. 153 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 6: Dicky V is at that age now where he's just 154 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 6: gonna say what he wants. They can't do, can't Yes, 155 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 6: He's like, man, I know be catching seventeen times exactly 156 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:52,039 Speaker 6: you didn't do to me. 157 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 5: But that I'm already dealing with. 158 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 6: But Dicky V, obviously you mentioned everybody has an opinion 159 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 6: on this thing, because it's it's unusual to hear someone 160 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 6: say and undefeated twenty nine OHO teams, you're not being 161 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 6: the tournament. Dicky VE said this on Twitter. Here it 162 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 6: is quote, shouldn't even be a debate about twenty nine 163 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 6: in oh Miami, Ohio as the weather or they shot 164 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 6: part of March Madness. 165 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 5: If they do not win. 166 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 6: The mac Turney metrics used to define who should qualify 167 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 6: as at large teams as one sided favors mediocrity all 168 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 6: cash from power conferences over excellent all caps by the 169 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 6: mid majors. 170 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 4: One hundred per spot on, spot On and again, Bruce Pearl, 171 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 4: this is him throwing his program, former program, and his son. 172 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 4: Let me put this out there in the atmosphere, Kelvin, 173 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 4: with a chance that some of the voters and the 174 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 4: people on the you know what I mean, on the committee, 175 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 4: he'll be like, oh, yeah, well Auburn still played a 176 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 4: tougher schedule. 177 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 5: Who you know, who did Miami of Ohio? They don't 178 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 5: even know what state they're in, Miami, you know what 179 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 5: I mean? 180 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 7: And not to mention too. 181 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: It's not like this is the college football Playoff where okay, 182 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: we got twelve teams, right then it got sixty sixty 183 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: eighteen bro about forty eight of those teams maybe even more. 184 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 7: I don't know who they are, who they wanted to be. 185 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 7: They're in the tournament. We all enjoy. 186 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: We eat some chips and we watched ten games at 187 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: once and we have a good time. 188 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 7: Stop acting like they're all this world beaters. 189 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: This is non college football playoff where I can understand 190 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: if you have a team, you know that that's not 191 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: from one of the big conferences, and you're like, ooh, 192 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:26,119 Speaker 1: a two loss, you know, Penn State or two loss 193 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: Alabama or something. Maybe they should have a shot over this, 194 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: you know, Miami Ohio football. 195 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 7: I get that. 196 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: That's completely different than the sixty eighteen tournament in basketball. 197 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:38,319 Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 198 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 2: the nation. 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All right, let's get it. 219 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: Let's get into some conversations around the NBA right now. 220 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 1: I want to start with uh and I'm slightly biased 221 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 1: here the Pistons slight now, just just slight, like. 222 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 4: Like he's he's a Pistons homer, So go ahead, so but. 223 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:50,199 Speaker 9: But you're here. 224 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 7: It is. 225 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,199 Speaker 1: But I'll say this, even as a homer and even 226 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: as being someone who's biased, I will say, when looking 227 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: at the postseason with this team, I'm wondering about, Okay, 228 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: Kate Cunningham, does he have to be spectacular night in, 229 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: night out? 230 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 7: Is there enough there? 231 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 1: Tobias Hair is going to be enough for Weaponars Duran 232 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: finally grown enough? When you look at this team and 233 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: what they can be in the postseason, how high is 234 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: their ceiling? 235 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 9: Their seiling is very high. Listen. They certainly have a 236 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 9: chance to go to the finals. What they've done and 237 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 9: how they've built this team is essentially it's been a 238 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 9: trade off. So they've brought in some players who are 239 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 9: excellent individual defenders at the expense of shooting quite Frankly, 240 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 9: they don't have a lot of perimeter shooting. And by 241 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 9: the same token, they can roll seven guys out there 242 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 9: that are all above average NBA defenders. So they're gonna 243 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 9: make it into a grind. They're gonna play a physical 244 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 9: brand of basketball. Kate Cunningham is gonna have to be Superman. 245 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 9: That's certainly going to be a part of it. But 246 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 9: by the way, one of the great and really good 247 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 9: individual defenders they have is Kate Cunningham reguards a tough 248 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 9: player on the other team night in night out. The 249 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 9: question for them is like, listen, naked hide a guy 250 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:00,959 Speaker 9: like Duncan Robinson, but he's got to hit shot, and 251 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 9: that's the thing. He becomes a key guy here with 252 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 9: the way they struggle to shoot the basketball. So if 253 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 9: they're not getting some consistent three point shooting from Duncan 254 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 9: Robinson or a Kris Lavert, that's going to make it 255 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 9: a little tougher for them in the playoffs. Now, listen, 256 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 9: Robinson's track record is one of a guy that you 257 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 9: know can shoot up to forty percent from three, if 258 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 9: not more, So he becomes a very interesting guy for them. 259 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 9: With all that said, they're certainly going to be able 260 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 9: to keep the ball out of their own BASKETBA very well. 261 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 9: And one of the things that's impressed me the most 262 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 9: this year about them is how they've physically dominated the Knicks, 263 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 9: And I don't think you can sleep on that or 264 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 9: take that lightly. The Knicks are a big, physical team, 265 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 9: and Detroit pushes him around like the rag Dolls and 266 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 9: most teams. I don't know there's a team in the 267 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 9: league that can do that to the Knicks in the 268 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 9: way that the Pistons do it. So listen, and in 269 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,959 Speaker 9: a wide open Eastern Conference, they've been much better than everybody. 270 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 9: Six games clear of the field. At this stage of 271 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 9: the game, they got as good a chance as anyone 272 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:57,959 Speaker 9: to be able to go to the finals. 273 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 4: It is my problem, Brian, a couple of things you 274 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 4: just said about the Pistons. Number One, they're the bottom 275 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 4: ten of three point shooting like that is a real 276 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 4: buggaboo going into the postseason, because somebody you gotta be 277 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 4: able to make some shots. That's what worries me about them. 278 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 4: Last year they dominated the Knicks. I think they were 279 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 4: three to zero in the regular season and wind up 280 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:22,199 Speaker 4: losing the postseason without even winning the game at home. 281 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 5: They are much better. This is the second year of 282 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 5: going in. 283 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 4: I'm not discounting them, but there's some things that scare 284 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:30,719 Speaker 4: me about them. 285 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 5: And the other thing is, you say they got a 286 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 5: chance to go to the finals. You're gonna go from two. 287 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 4: Playoff wins in the last seventeen years to the NBA Finals. 288 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 5: It just seems like a big jump for me. 289 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,439 Speaker 9: It is. But by the same Tolkien, if you look 290 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 9: up and down the conference, you can make the case. 291 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 9: If not them, then who everybody's bout? 292 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:53,439 Speaker 4: Well, I could say Cleveland, I could say the Knicks. 293 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 4: I mean the Knicks didn't go I could say that. 294 00:12:58,240 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 3: Last year. 295 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 5: Last year, they year. 296 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 4: They beat the Knicks during the regular season and then 297 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 4: they couldn't win a game at home in the postseason. 298 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 4: The Knicks made shots in that's in those games in 299 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 4: Detroit to beat them. That's all I'm saying is that 300 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 4: I saw this movie last They also. 301 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 9: Got They also got screwed with a bad fall. You know, 302 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 9: Josh bout Tim Hardaway laking that game, and that adult 303 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 9: could have gone the other way. It was a very 304 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 9: close series. Here here's my point, and I hear what 305 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 9: you're saying, but The fact is it's going to be 306 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 9: based a lot upon matchups and when you take a 307 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,599 Speaker 9: look at the physicality and the Pistons, listen to the 308 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 9: Knicks push around the Cavaliers. They do the Cavaliers. The 309 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 9: Cavaliers struggled very badly with the next and last year 310 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 9: in the conference there was Listen, Indiana ended up going 311 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 9: to the finals, but Boston was the powerhouse. The Knicks 312 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,079 Speaker 9: were able to beat. The Knicks matchup well with them. 313 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 9: There is no powerhouse in the conference this year. And 314 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 9: that's why I say they have as good a chance 315 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:53,679 Speaker 9: at everybody. Cleveland. I don't know that. 316 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 10: Cleveland's tough enough. I still don't think Cleveland. 317 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 9: Guards on the perimeter as well as they need to 318 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,839 Speaker 9: the Knicks. Listen Nich another team. You know, their two 319 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:04,199 Speaker 9: best offensive players really can't. 320 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 10: Be on the court at the same time Layton. 321 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,679 Speaker 9: Playoff games because they're both shids defensive leagues. It's an 322 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 9: enormous problem for them. Boston needs Jason Tatum back and 323 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 9: playing at a pretty high level. I'm not sure that's 324 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 9: going to happen if they. 325 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 10: Want to even have a chance. 326 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 9: You know, take a look even Philly, Philly's counting on 327 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 9: a healthy Joel indeed and Paul George coming back healthy 328 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 9: from suspension. That everybody has got works in that conference. 329 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 9: And that's kind of my point. So Detroit can be 330 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 9: an imperfect team, and they are an imperfect team, and 331 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 9: they can find their way into the NBA finals if 332 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 9: all the matchups fall right. The point that you make 333 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 9: is a very strong point. Of strongest point you made. 334 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 9: There's only two playoff wins last year. Generally we rarely 335 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 9: see in the NBA a team ascend right to the 336 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 9: final just one playoff appearance of being done. You have 337 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 9: to normally take your lumps. I mean, the two thousand 338 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 9: and eight Celtics are absolutely an exception to that rule, 339 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 9: and it's twenty nineteen Raptors as well. But even the 340 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 9: Raptors before they got Kawhi Leonard got knocked around in 341 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 9: the playoffs. Normally you normally have to go through that. 342 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 9: But I would tell you this is one of those 343 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 9: years in this conference with this scene that the Pistons 344 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 9: have a chance to defy that. 345 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 7: All right, man, I didn't know y'all want to be 346 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 7: so fun. I thought I was the Pistons fan. You 347 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 7: guys want to talk about the. 348 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 3: No, no, I mean. 349 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 5: The best record, so we should break it down. 350 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 9: Let me talking about it. 351 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 7: Absolutely. 352 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 4: I do want to ask you though, And you know, 353 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 4: I think JJ Reddick should be fired, I really do. 354 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 4: I just I know he was supposed to be Pat 355 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 4: Rowley because he had slick hair and he talked great 356 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 4: on the podcast or whatever it is. They don't play 357 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 4: for him, and I don't expect Lebron and and Luca 358 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 4: to be these all world defenders. But my god, like 359 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 4: it's the same thing over and over. I don't know 360 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 4: what do you do? You just is it okay? It's 361 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 4: only Rob Polenka because everybody last year when they went 362 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 4: to the playoffs, Brian, all I heard was, don't sleep 363 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 4: all Lebron and Luca together. 364 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 5: Who in the West gonna stop those two? That's all 365 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 5: I heard? 366 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 4: And then they got knocked out in the first round. 367 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 4: Where are you on the Lakers and what you've seen? 368 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 9: The Lakers could screw up a one car funeral procession 369 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 9: find ways to screw stuff up. First of all, let's 370 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 9: start back in the offseason with Lebron James on your team, 371 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 9: did you really need to do this whole offseason song 372 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 9: and dance? Declaring it Luca Doncicic's team. It would have 373 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 9: gotten there. It would have gotten there on its own organically. 374 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 9: And you know what, the guy that needed to declare 375 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 9: it Lucas team was not Rob Polinkin, not JJ Reddick. 376 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 9: The guy that needed to declare it Lucas team was 377 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 9: Lebron James. And he would have gotten there, but you 378 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 9: just have to kind of give him the chance to 379 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 9: get there. So they started it. 380 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 2: Then. 381 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 9: Listen, Reddick made as the biggest rookie coaching mistake you'll 382 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 9: ever see in a playoff game last year where he 383 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 9: didn't sub for an entire you remember that all thing, 384 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 9: and have exhausted players down the stretch. He's in a 385 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 9: situation now where it's almost no it's almost no win 386 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 9: for JJ. It's because he's got star players that don't 387 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 9: mess at all. Lebron doesn't want to. 388 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:08,439 Speaker 10: Be there anymore. 389 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 9: They don't want Lebron there anymore. Luca has got a 390 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 9: total attitude with everything. And listen, you're seeing a little 391 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 9: bit why Dallas got turned off with Lucas. Lucas cuffs 392 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 9: the coach. He's not easy. He doesn't play off the 393 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 9: ball all that well. He'll defend when he feels like defending. 394 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 9: So you have all those things. Here's the thing. If 395 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 9: you want JJ Redick fire from the Lakers, you're probably 396 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 9: going to get your wish because Mark Walter just brought 397 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 9: this team. They are completely overturning how this team gets run. 398 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 9: Very quietly. Last week, they hired Tony Bennett, former head 399 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 9: coach at University of Virginia, as a draft consultant. They 400 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 9: pretty much put JJ's replacement in the building. And that's 401 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 9: not going to work well. Andrew Friedan from the Dodgers 402 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 9: is there, okay? 403 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 5: Now? 404 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 9: Magic? Keep in mind Magic Johnson's a minority partner with 405 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 9: Mark Walter. He's partners with Walter on the Dodgers as well. 406 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 9: You think that he's involved with an ownership stake with 407 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 9: the Lakers, and he's not going to have something to say. 408 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 9: And by the way, I'm going to tell you someone 409 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 9: and if he doesn't really like working with all that much, 410 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 9: that's Rob Blinka. This whole thing is getting over turned 411 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 9: for the Lakers. You're going to see new management, You're 412 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 9: going to see a new coach. Mark Wolf's going to 413 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,400 Speaker 9: come in and he's going to put his stamp on 414 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 9: this whole thing and do it his way. They're starting 415 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 9: to do it already. I think they're one and done 416 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,360 Speaker 9: this year in the playoffs. Yet somehow, some way, they 417 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 9: keep hanging around. 418 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 10: And they're sitting here, very very tied. 419 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 9: In the loss column for the five seeds. So as 420 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 9: bad as it looks, they continue to win enough games 421 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 9: to keep their heads above water. The problem is this, 422 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 9: they don't have enough good defensive personnel. I just wax poetic, 423 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 9: guys about how good the towards defensive personnel is. The 424 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 9: Lakers on the defensive end of the four for a 425 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 9: personnel standpoint, are the exact opposite. And you just you 426 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 9: can't turn around in that situation and turn lemons into lemonade. 427 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 9: You just can't. So the Lakers are in trouble here, 428 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 9: and I do think you're going to see an entirely 429 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 9: different group of people running the show as we start 430 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 9: next season. 431 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 7: All right, man, we'll leave it there. 432 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 5: I appreciate it, my pleasant guys. 433 00:18:58,200 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 9: Any time, would love. 434 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 2: To do it. Anytime Sports Radio has the best sports 435 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 2: talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows 436 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 2: at Foxsports Radio dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. 437 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,160 Speaker 2: Search FSR to listen live. 438 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:13,919 Speaker 5: Rob g we had another. 439 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 4: We thought we were done with these PD suspension in 440 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,719 Speaker 4: Major League Baseball. The rules have been set. They're pretty steep. 441 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 4: One time you get a strike in eighty games, another 442 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 4: time you get eight one hundred and sixty two games 443 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 4: and narratives. 444 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 5: We have another. 445 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,919 Speaker 4: Person in the in the Major League Baseball being suspended. 446 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 6: That's right tough scene for Braves d h jerks in. Profar, 447 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,919 Speaker 6: who at one point was considered the new hotness. 448 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 5: In Major League baseb. 449 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 6: He was, I mean, for real, he was going to 450 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 6: be the guy, the next phenom, the next Twan Soto, 451 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:52,640 Speaker 6: the next I mean speaking another. 452 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 5: Guy who has popped for PDS. Your guy in San Diego, 453 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:58,120 Speaker 5: Rob Fernando d'tis Junior, who was the face of baseball. 454 00:19:58,200 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 3: I mean like he. 455 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 5: Profar was good to be one of those ones. 456 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 4: You weren't here, Calvin, But that was they said, I 457 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:08,880 Speaker 4: had to judge Judge Tatis. 458 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 6: Profar, who already last year was suspended eighty games for 459 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:19,919 Speaker 6: testing positive for a PED, tested positive again for another 460 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 6: PEG right less than a year, which means he is 461 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 6: now subject to a one hundred and sixty two games 462 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 6: suspension by Major League Baseball. He will forfeit the entirety 463 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,439 Speaker 6: of his fifteen million dollars salary. He'll be ineligible for 464 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 6: the postseason. He'll also be ineligible for the upcoming World 465 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 6: Baseball Classic. All bad, all the time for Profar. But guys, 466 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 6: it got me thinking. We just mentioned two guys who 467 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 6: were both up and coming in Major Baseball. Profar Tatis 468 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 6: Junior got pop for PDS and in the case of 469 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 6: Profar is basically gonna derail his entire career, like that's 470 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 6: gonna be his calling card now forever. Tatis Junior was 471 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 6: on a trajectory to be one of those ones, and 472 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 6: now he's kind of an afterthought, partly because he does 473 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 6: a positive PDS and now there's always gonna be a 474 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 6: little asterisk next to his name. And as good as 475 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 6: he's been since he came back, nobody views him in 476 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 6: the same way. 477 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:13,479 Speaker 5: They don't view him the same way. He doesn't get 478 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 5: the juice. 479 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 7: He just got the juice. 480 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 5: Juice? 481 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 7: What you mean? 482 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 5: He I mean? 483 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 6: So, guys, let me ask you this question, pd use 484 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,880 Speaker 6: even though it's been less prevalent now because number one, 485 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 6: you know, guys are smarter, and number two, they they're 486 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 6: the science is ahead of the testing at this point 487 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 6: like that you can get a lot of things without 488 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 6: getting caught, and that's been the way for a while. 489 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 6: But one thing we've noticed is if you play baseball 490 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 6: and you get popped, it hangs over your head forever. Hell, 491 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 6: if you don't even get popped, you're just alleged to 492 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 6: using because we've got guys who all you forever. However, 493 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 6: you play NBA, shout out, Paul George. You play in 494 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 6: the NFL. Nobody seems to really care too much. Why 495 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 6: is that, Rob Barker, that's a great question. I think 496 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 6: baseball's held to a higher standard. It really is, and 497 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:10,120 Speaker 6: I think a lot of it has to. 498 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 4: Do with the numbers, like that, when the home run 499 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 4: record was broken, that was a sacred number. There aren't 500 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:19,880 Speaker 4: that many sacred numbers in football or basketball, right. 501 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 5: There really aren't, like not a number. 502 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 4: You could be like Lebron has the all time scored 503 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 4: the most points, but there's no number. Hank Aaron seven 504 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 4: hundred and fifty five home runs meant something to people, right, 505 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 4: And I think that that's where the numbers in baseball 506 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 4: matter so much that people were like, oh my god, 507 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 4: they ruined what I used to know as you know 508 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 4: that home run number and now it's tanked it and 509 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 4: the guy who has the all time home run record 510 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 4: shouldn't be looked at at sideways. And I think that's 511 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 4: part of it. Do I think it's fair? No, I 512 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:58,199 Speaker 4: don't think it's fair because just like Rob g mentioned 513 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 4: Kelvin Paul George, it's fresh off of it, and in 514 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 4: Philadelphia they're just waiting for him to get back, like, okay, 515 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 4: nobody's gonna look at him crazy or say, do we 516 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,880 Speaker 4: really want him on the team? You know what I mean, 517 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,199 Speaker 4: the Sixers, Should we really count if they make a 518 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 4: playoff run? 519 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 5: Because he was on. 520 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 4: None of that conversation happens at all with Paul George. 521 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 1: Here's a couple of reasons why baseball allowed steroids to 522 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: run rampant and enjoyed the success of it. So to me, 523 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: what they did was they paired themselves with it. Rob, 524 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: they intertwined themselves with it. 525 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 5: You mean like he ain't gambling, Okay, go ahead, I'm. 526 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 7: Sorry, And that could become a thing eventually. 527 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: But right now, with the steroids, when you looked at baseball, 528 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 1: we saw the resurgence of the popularity. 529 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,120 Speaker 7: We know, the summer of ninety eight, the home run chase. 530 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: Fast forward a couple of years later, you got two 531 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 1: or three years of Barry Bonds. Everybody knows what's going on. 532 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,439 Speaker 1: We're trying to turn a blind eye, but act like 533 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: we don't know. And so to me, when baseball Biden 534 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,199 Speaker 1: not nicking Nixon in in the butt, you know, stopping it, 535 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 1: what they allowed to do was to get intertwined, wrapped 536 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: up together. So now you think steroids, you think baseball, 537 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: you think home runs going out of the park. Right, 538 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: Barry Bond's is hitting them just in it. I know 539 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: he's never been caught yuilt whatever, positive never suspended, but 540 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: we're seeing him hitting him in the in the cove regularly, 541 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: Like that's just not normal the rate he was doing it. Right, 542 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: And then you see, we already know Sammy so so, 543 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: we already know Mark uh uh, Markguire, so on and 544 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 1: so forth. 545 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 7: Jose can Sego came out. I was like, man, everybody 546 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 7: was stabbing each other in the butt. 547 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 1: So I think baseball again became the poster child for it. 548 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 1: When we we just again it was interwoven with the 549 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 1: with steroids, home runs, baseball, you see it kind of 550 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,360 Speaker 1: they go hand in hand. I don't have a correlation 551 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:51,679 Speaker 1: with NBA. Like, if Paul George was doing steroids, I 552 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 1: don't know what. 553 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 7: It made it better. 554 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 5: You know what, I don't. 555 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 3: I don't have it. 556 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 1: I don't know what it did, and I'm not saying 557 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: it doesn't. We don't have something we naturally correlated to. 558 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 1: So it's like, hey, Steph, Curt's the steroids is like, 559 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: I don't know the themagam shoot better. 560 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 7: I don't know, Paul. I'm just making I'm just saying that. 561 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 7: People just use that as example. 562 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: So when Paul George gets busted for there's nothing identifiable 563 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 1: that made him better. And I think that's why we 564 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: don't look at it the same football. I think there's 565 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: just an inherent you just figure these dudes are the 566 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:24,159 Speaker 1: most tough neanderthal running into each other body slamming. If 567 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 1: they found out there on stories, you kind of go, well, 568 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: that makes sense. You're slamming two hundred and fifty pound 569 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,120 Speaker 1: three hundred pound men slamming into each other for three 570 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: and a half hours. 571 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 7: That makes sense. 572 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: And then finally, I think the only other sports we 573 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 1: we do do the same with baseball, I would say 574 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:43,159 Speaker 1: cycling and I would say track. I think those two sports. 575 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: We do the same with baseball, like what we kind 576 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: of expect it. But I will say again, we don't 577 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 1: care because it's for our entertainment purpose. 578 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 5: But here, but here's the thing. 579 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 4: Even in the NFL, Antonio Gates is in the Hall 580 00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 4: of Fame, right, bust it. 581 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 5: It didn't make people not want to vote for him. 582 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 7: Because logically it makes sense. 583 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: We go, well, I mean, it's hard, it's what people 584 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 1: get suspended for, so it doesn't make sense. 585 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 7: With you the legislation of it. But logically we go. 586 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 4: Julian Edamman with the Patriots, right, I don't look at 587 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 4: him and think of the juice. But he got busted. 588 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 4: People are talking about this. He deserved to get in 589 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 4: the Hall of Fame. Uh, Patrick Peterson, DeAndre Hopkins. Even 590 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 4: our guys, two guys who were going, Patrick Peterson and 591 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 4: DeAndrea going in. 592 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,400 Speaker 5: Uh Sean Merriman. 593 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 4: At one point, I remember that year he got popped 594 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,400 Speaker 4: and then he was up for Defensive Player of the Year. 595 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,719 Speaker 5: Do you remember that? Remember that? 596 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 4: Like it was yeah, after he got off, you know, 597 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 4: off of suspension. And it's just weird because there were 598 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 4: other guys who have gotten busted in the NBA. I 599 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 4: think it's more prevalent than people want to admit. And 600 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 4: you can't really I would agree speculate, I do. I 601 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 4: think there are people who else? Was there somebody else? 602 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:02,439 Speaker 5: Rob G? 603 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,120 Speaker 6: There was a guy, was it with Sean Lewis from 604 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 6: the Mage? We have current guys who have been possible. 605 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 6: Paul George this season, Bobby Port his last season, Tristan 606 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 6: Thompson washed out of the league after he tested positive, 607 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 6: John Collins currently with the Clippers, and DeAndre Ayden. 608 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,400 Speaker 5: It was a diarmitic it wasn't. 609 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: So can I so let me tell you. Let me 610 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:28,399 Speaker 1: tell you why rob When you look at that list 611 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 1: that Rob G is lame name? Was there an All 612 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: Star on there? 613 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 4: I mean, MG is a bigger name right now. 614 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 7: What I mean aside from Paul Jordan. 615 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: What I mean is like, that's the difference when you 616 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 1: talk baseball. If someone says, again, Barry Bonds, we know 617 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,640 Speaker 1: he didn't test. Roger Clemens. You're talking about maybe top 618 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: three picture marks, one of the best hitters. Barry Bonds 619 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 1: arguably in the category best player ever. Alex Rodriguez argument 620 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: the best player category of the last thirty years. So 621 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 1: you're naming great and that's why it became bigger. If 622 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:09,640 Speaker 1: you started rotting off Steph. 623 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 7: Currys Lebron, Joki something I just said. If you're throwing 624 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:15,400 Speaker 7: out some. 625 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: Guys Jokie, you know Kawhi, Leonard and and and and 626 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: you know Chris Paul, then you might be like, oh shoot, 627 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: because you got you can see the results. Rogers name 628 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,880 Speaker 1: the bust of guys we actually are mad at because. 629 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 7: We want more from so you know what I mean. 630 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: The other aiden gives you know that can at least 631 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 1: be click capella. 632 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 7: They're not. 633 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 5: They're not the household names. 634 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 6: But he'll you mentioned for Charle Lewis, Darius almost Hemu. 635 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 5: Is a key player in the finals, even a man. 636 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 4: Don't you remember when they beat up but they stopped 637 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 4: his name, stopped the stopped the Kobe le Lebron final. 638 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 5: That was he He dude, Kirkalu and what a tunker 639 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 5: glue man. I'm here here's one. 640 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 6: This wasn't a ped but they said it was a band. 641 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 6: Shout out to Chris Weber, see could see. 642 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 5: Well, I don't know. I think you might have been 643 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 5: the weed on that time. But like the weed, there 644 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 5: have been guys. 645 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 7: Furthering my voice. 646 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: He was a perfectly fine, good role player, like he 647 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 1: could play on my team. 648 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 5: He was good. 649 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 7: I liked him. 650 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 3: He ain't many bonds. 651 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: Roger Clemments, Alexabrodriguez, David Big Poppy, who I mean, come on, 652 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 1: are you kidding me? Like, look at the list of people, 653 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: Manny Ramirez, like, come on, bro Andy Pettit, come on, 654 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 1: and these of the guys. 655 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 5: Just so that's that's all that matters. 656 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 4: But if to me, it would be like those guys 657 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 4: were already good before they got on the juice as well. 658 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: So what I'm saying those are names and and and 659 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: again I can associate it. 660 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 7: People will go, well, Roger Clemens, he must have threw 661 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 7: it harder. 662 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 1: They'll go, clearly, Mark, Mark McGuire and Sammy Zer blasting 663 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 1: it out the park. You know, I don't know what 664 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: that did for he knew Turkulu. I don't know what 665 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: that did for DeAndre Ayton. Whatever it is, don't do 666 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: the opposite. Never do steroids. You might be better. So 667 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: that's my point. You there's a correlation with baseball where 668 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: I can go, oh, he did. 669 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 5: That, so she did name recognition in their status. 670 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: And yeah, in a correlation. Correlation to me, he did that. 671 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 1: He hit a bunch of home runs. David Big Poppy 672 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: hit a bunch before, but he ain't hit it like 673 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 1: that once, you know, once we started to see it. 674 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: Mannys was always good, but man, he started to hit harder. 675 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 7: Roger Clemens was heck of a pitcher. Boy, He's throwing 676 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:37,719 Speaker 7: it harder. 677 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: So I think the correlation along with the numbers, I 678 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: do agree the numbers is huge, right, you're you're chasing 679 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 1: these historical numbers. 680 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 5: I do believe the numbers has