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Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of Thinking Sideways the podcast. I
Speaker 1: Am Devin, joined as usual by Steve and known as
Speaker 1: Wolf No, I'm murder, Hug. Stay tuned for next year's
Speaker 1: April Fool's episode to hear the backstory behind that lots
Speaker 1: of truffle. Yeah, anyway, today we are going to talk
Speaker 1: about the Bohemian Grove. An important note here, I will
Speaker 1: I promise I will tell you guys the overview of
Speaker 1: this story. But an important note here for those of
Speaker 1: you who are screaming and excited, this is not going
Speaker 1: to be an episode about the Bohemian Club, or the
Speaker 1: Skull and Bones or the New World Order, just the
Speaker 1: Annual Retreat with a brief exception for purposes of explanation.
Speaker 1: Not just about the Annual Retreat. It's about the actual
Speaker 1: Bohemian Grove itself, which is, you know, like supposedly got
Speaker 1: a huge underground complex underneath it. And some nuclear missile
Speaker 1: silos and stuff like that. That was the Denver Airport.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, wrong story, long story, wrong story. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: whole Denver thing is a red herring. Yeah this is
Speaker 1: the real. No, we're not. We're just talking about the
Speaker 1: annual retreat at the Bohemian Grove of the Bohemian Club.
Speaker 1: Sorry for all those you you who are already lost,
Speaker 1: a promise, bear with me for like ten more minutes
Speaker 1: and we'll get you there. Man. If it takes ten minutes,
Speaker 1: I'm just you know, buffer, just in case. I also
Speaker 1: just want to thank t J, who suggested this case
Speaker 1: a long time ago. Well, thank you. So here we go.
Speaker 1: The general mystery here is that since eighteen seventy eight,
Speaker 1: a group of high powered men have gathered once a
Speaker 1: year in the forest for two weeks. That's it. Credits
Speaker 1: the stuff. Yeah No. The big thing here is that
Speaker 1: it's uh, super secretive, and there are rumors of occultism,
Speaker 1: deviancy scheming as mentioned, not about the Bohemian Club, but
Speaker 1: I do want to give you some context. The club
Speaker 1: was founded in eighteen seventy two by some journalists from
Speaker 1: San Francisco. San Francisco actually um can Joe, can you
Speaker 1: read this little bit here? I it's a it's an
Speaker 1: excerpt from an article at from nineteen fifteen that I
Speaker 1: think summarized used my San Francisco voice. Okay, I was
Speaker 1: gonna use my groovy voice, just a okay. The Hemian
Speaker 1: Club was organized in the Chronicle office by Tommy Newcomb, Sutherland,
Speaker 1: Dan O'Connell, Harry Damn, Jay Lyman, and others who were
Speaker 1: members of the staff. The boys wanted a place where
Speaker 1: they could get together after work, and they took a
Speaker 1: room on Sacramento Street below Kearney. That was the start
Speaker 1: of the Bohemian Club. And it was not an unmixed
Speaker 1: blessing for the Chronicle because the boys would go there
Speaker 1: sometimes one they should have reported at the office. Very often,
Speaker 1: when Dan O'Connell sat down to a good dinner there,
Speaker 1: he would forget that he had a pocket full of
Speaker 1: notes for an important story. So that's yeah, that's what.
Speaker 1: It's a drinking club. Yeah, yeah, pretty much. It was
Speaker 1: a it's a fraternal club, but also yeah, it also
Speaker 1: has a you know bar, yeah, as all fraternal organizations
Speaker 1: tend to. Yeah. And while it was originally a fraternal
Speaker 1: order for artists, and journalists like you'd expect from a
Speaker 1: club called the Bohemian Club. You know, they were bohemians
Speaker 1: like artists. You guys know, I don't need to explain
Speaker 1: what a bohemian is do I but do you need
Speaker 1: to explain? I'm not going to do that. It doesn't matter,
Speaker 1: it's not relevant. Eventually, this club did start to let
Speaker 1: businessmen in, then politicians, and now the membership is almost
Speaker 1: exclusively very rich, very powerful men. Many of them are
Speaker 1: still in a media business by the way, men men
Speaker 1: men only. Yeah, the current membership logs are secret, but
Speaker 1: past membership logs are available. Pretty much everyone who has
Speaker 1: been a Republican president has been on this list at
Speaker 1: some point, at least since at least since eighteen seventy Yeah. Sorry,
Speaker 1: yeah that that oh that detail. Yeah, but yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It's a so fraternal means boys only. People don't always
Speaker 1: get that anyhow. In eighteen seventy eight, the club members
Speaker 1: decided to start an annual retreat where they could cut
Speaker 1: loose because apparently the club wasn't enough of a cut
Speaker 1: loose for them. They procured some land in the red
Speaker 1: Woods near San Francisco, again, where their clubhouse is located
Speaker 1: still to this day is located their clubhouse and made
Speaker 1: it a place called the Bohemian Grove. This is where
Speaker 1: the name of the retreat comes from, although when it
Speaker 1: was first started they did call it the Midsummer's High Jinks,
Speaker 1: which again should give you some framework onto hijinks screwing
Speaker 1: around games, which is a weird twist on that name.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, low jinks and high jinks. But but
Speaker 1: that was the whole The theme of the Summer Retreat
Speaker 1: was just you know, hi jinks. It's you know, boys
Speaker 1: will be boys. I kind of actually kind of wishing
Speaker 1: we weren't doing this story quite yet, because I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be going down there in about two weeks for a wedding,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be like ten miles from this place.
Speaker 1: So you think you're going to be able to get
Speaker 1: to the Bohemian girl, I'm thinking about down you're going
Speaker 1: to Alex Jones. I don't think you need to sneak in, man,
Speaker 1: it sounds like you just drive right in. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: pretty close. And we'll talk about that in just one second.
Speaker 1: That's okay, that's okay. The retreat is sixteen days long,
Speaker 1: so two full weeks so that is weekend, weekend and weekend. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's the way it runs. And it's an opening weekend,
Speaker 1: a middle weekend in a closing weekend. That's why it's
Speaker 1: sixteen and not four. Yeah, exactly. Yep. On average annually,
Speaker 1: two thousand, five hundred men attend. The camp is almost
Speaker 1: a hundred and sixty acres large in the Redwoods. Beautiful, huge. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and as we mentioned, no girls allowed for women, except
Speaker 1: for there was a lawsuit in the eighties, um, because
Speaker 1: they were actually not even hiring women. And then in
Speaker 1: the eighties some people brought a lawsuit against them and said,
Speaker 1: actually you do have to hire women, and the court said, yeah,
Speaker 1: actually you do have to hire some women. So they've
Speaker 1: hired women to do really specific jobs like park cars
Speaker 1: or cook but in really specific areas of the camp,
Speaker 1: so they're not exposed to any of the hygiene, whatever
Speaker 1: the goings ons are, and that remains a little bit
Speaker 1: to be seen. And the guys, actually, the guys want
Speaker 1: to be a guys, so they're like public a lot
Speaker 1: of public her nation going on and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Actually that that may be true. The biggest reason they
Speaker 1: don't want women, you know. Yeah, well, we'll get into
Speaker 1: that a little bit. And actually it's probably worth mentioning
Speaker 1: also that there have been a few honorary female members
Speaker 1: of the Bohemian Grow or the Bohemian Club, four of
Speaker 1: them and none recently. Yeah, they are, but that was something.
Speaker 1: Actually there was a there was actual during that lawsuit
Speaker 1: they said, not only do you have to hire women
Speaker 1: at the Bohemian Grove, but you have to let them
Speaker 1: into your fraternal order. And the court said, actually, okay,
Speaker 1: you do have to hire them, but you don't have
Speaker 1: to let them into your club, I guess, especially because
Speaker 1: they do have some events, not at the Grove, at
Speaker 1: this retreat, but they do have some events where they
Speaker 1: can bring wives or partners if they want. So there
Speaker 1: there is one other there are other ladies in attendance
Speaker 1: at this event. Okay, So just to keep this brief,
Speaker 1: there are there are claims that there's motels and establishments
Speaker 1: such as that near the Grove that are frequented by
Speaker 1: the men over the course of their too possible up
Speaker 1: to two weeks stay. They don't bring them onto the premises, right,
Speaker 1: but these ladies what you're brought up for for as
Speaker 1: sex worker. I'm going to use a term, don't freak
Speaker 1: out on me, anybody to quote unquote service these gentlemen.
Speaker 1: They are brought to that hotel. Yeah, and then but
Speaker 1: they are technically technically still no girls allowed in the ground, right,
Speaker 1: But I mean they are the equal opportunity involved. So
Speaker 1: that's that's one of the funny gray areas to me. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I find a bit of irony in that. I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess I totally get it. Maybe as a woman
Speaker 1: I don't as much, just because that makes sense to
Speaker 1: me the guy that there would be this big, powerful
Speaker 1: fraternal order where they would also be like no girls
Speaker 1: a loud oh, except except for this one thing. You
Speaker 1: guys can come for this one thing. But even then
Speaker 1: I don't think they actually let them onto the premise.
Speaker 1: I don't think they do. But but I will say,
Speaker 1: there are other camps. This is the big retreat, but
Speaker 1: there are other A member of the club can rent
Speaker 1: out part or all of the facility. I don't know
Speaker 1: why you would run out all the silly but you
Speaker 1: can't rent out part of the facility during different times
Speaker 1: of the year during this event, and you can and
Speaker 1: you can have daughters and wives and female family members
Speaker 1: except they have to be off campus by nine. They
Speaker 1: can't spend the night there. Oh, you're right, you're right,
Speaker 1: which is like, then, why I guess you would. It's
Speaker 1: like renting a park to host a picnick or memorial.
Speaker 1: And the security might be good, might not be good.
Speaker 1: H But it's pretty secluded and I think it has
Speaker 1: a lot of amenities that a lot of other places
Speaker 1: in the middle of the Redwoods don't. And I bet
Speaker 1: you get a pretty good deal being part of the
Speaker 1: club on the facility itself. The price that it cost
Speaker 1: to be a member, and do you have that number
Speaker 1: in your brain? Well, I do, actually bucks initiation an
Speaker 1: older Well that's that's that's from your initiative, which is
Speaker 1: probably low with inflation. But I also remember in the
Speaker 1: eighties it was an average continual annual membership fee of
Speaker 1: about two or twenty five hundred dollars a year. So
Speaker 1: if we upscale that like we did with the membership fee,
Speaker 1: you're paying five ten grand a year just to stay
Speaker 1: a member. Ye. Well, and it's not group and invitation
Speaker 1: only and either no, and the waiting list is really
Speaker 1: really long. And actually it turns out most of the
Speaker 1: people who become new members are just like sons of
Speaker 1: people of men who are already members. Again, uh, it is,
Speaker 1: it is. But as I said, really rich, really powerful
Speaker 1: men are part of this club and go to this retreat. Okay,
Speaker 1: back to the what happens at the camp after all
Speaker 1: the money talk, Yeah, a lot actually goes on, and
Speaker 1: and actually most of it, we don't really know what
Speaker 1: goes on group. It's a secret. It's a secret club,
Speaker 1: and it's the retreat is also intended to be secret.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's more secret than Vegas, right, It's
Speaker 1: just it's literally what happens up bohemian groves, stays of
Speaker 1: bohemian grow It seems like enough journalists and such a
Speaker 1: snuck in and with cameras or just tape records or whatever.
Speaker 1: They I sort of feel like I have a pretty
Speaker 1: good idea what goes on. I feel like that as well.
Speaker 1: But for the sake of this story, for right now,
Speaker 1: let's just say we don't really well we you know,
Speaker 1: I feel like you have a sense in fairness, we
Speaker 1: don't know, right, there's no official we don't really know.
Speaker 1: One thing that people find the most weird. We do
Speaker 1: have some footage of it exists on the Internet. And
Speaker 1: the reason that we have this footage is because of
Speaker 1: a guy named Alex Jones. You probably know this guy
Speaker 1: if you don't do yourself a favor and do not
Speaker 1: bother to look him up. He founded info Wars and
Speaker 1: UM has a lot to say about a lot of
Speaker 1: things show host since to do it all he has. Yeah,
Speaker 1: info Wars I think started UH two thousands, six, two
Speaker 1: thousand three, early two thousand's in two thousand after a
Speaker 1: lot of speculation. So there's since this this thing has
Speaker 1: been going on a bohemian growth for so so long,
Speaker 1: and it's been pretty secret, but the people who attend
Speaker 1: are so high profile. There's been a lot of speculation
Speaker 1: about what happened, what's going on. And in the nineteen eighties,
Speaker 1: UH magazine called Spy Magazine did write an article. One
Speaker 1: of their journalists wrote an article because he had managed
Speaker 1: to sneak in like six days or something. I think
Speaker 1: he was sneaking in and out and so his I
Speaker 1: actually like what he has to say about it much more.
Speaker 1: But that's okay because we do have this actual footage, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he do. We do have this actual footage from Alex Jones.
Speaker 1: So he and a cameraman knock into Bohemian Grove where
Speaker 1: quote unquote so many others had failed. It was like
Speaker 1: it was surprisingly easy for him to sneak in here.
Speaker 1: Everybody that's got in has said that. Yeah, well, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, it's one thing. You can see footage like
Speaker 1: a b there's a ABC footage where they drive right
Speaker 1: up to the main gate and there's a security guard
Speaker 1: there and they say, Hi, we're here with ABC News
Speaker 1: on camera and the guy goes, no, get back, get
Speaker 1: back there, You're not allowed in here. Get back right,
Speaker 1: And so I think a lot of people were like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, it's impossible to get in. I don't
Speaker 1: think that's true. You just have to have a little
Speaker 1: bit of knowledge, for God's sake, exactly. You can. You
Speaker 1: can absolutely walk in. So that's what they did. They
Speaker 1: walked in and found this little transit there, because since
Speaker 1: it's so large, there's busses that take you everywhere, and
Speaker 1: they want to get on a bus, and the person
Speaker 1: who was driving the bus said, oh, what order are
Speaker 1: you a part of? Because there's a bunch of different SubCamps,
Speaker 1: which we'll talk about in a second. It reminds me
Speaker 1: a lot of burning Man, because Burning Man the established
Speaker 1: camps they usually are in the center of the Black
Speaker 1: Rock city and their name like that. All. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: he knew that the Texas group was called the Hillbillies.
Speaker 1: So he and he's from Texas. He's Texan. He's a
Speaker 1: pretty thick Texas accent. Yeah, Alex Jones, sorry, and he says,
Speaker 1: we're We're with the Hillbillies. And the guy says, okay,
Speaker 1: you can get on the bus and they ride around
Speaker 1: a little bit and there's all this footage. It's really great.
Speaker 1: You know, it's from the two thousand. It's from two thousand,
Speaker 1: so it's grainy already, and there's weird cropping issues. And
Speaker 1: it was a hidden camera. I find really funny is
Speaker 1: he says my cameraman and I Well, it wasn't as
Speaker 1: if he had the giant on the shoulder camera. They
Speaker 1: had a little at BT video camera, crappy digital cameras
Speaker 1: hidden in like a box. Probably was hitting Equality of
Speaker 1: or two thousand. I mean, I think probably had six
Speaker 1: eighty eighty six. It was. It was the most hokey
Speaker 1: what was the TV show back in the sixties show
Speaker 1: with the guy who had the shoe for a phone? Oh, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and they had those those silly little I'm gonna pull
Speaker 1: out my belt buckle camera like it. It's that kind
Speaker 1: of goofy cracks when they say his his cameraman, it's
Speaker 1: really not. It's his buddy, yeah company. I mean it
Speaker 1: could it could very well have been his actual cameraman
Speaker 1: front because he made a full documentary about this, right,
Speaker 1: for some reason, it had to be him. Um, But
Speaker 1: it has a lot of footage from this. There's a
Speaker 1: full two hour documentary that Alex Jones produced about I
Speaker 1: did not watch the entire thing I watched. I would
Speaker 1: say I watched about eight hours worth of Alex Jones
Speaker 1: things over the course of this. I don't know how
Speaker 1: she's alive. Yeah, So anyway, let's get back to this.
Speaker 1: He like I said, there's a lot of footage that's
Speaker 1: kind of whatever. But the one thing that he did
Speaker 1: manage to catch is this opening ceremony thing they do
Speaker 1: called the Cremation of Care, and this seems to be
Speaker 1: pretty much the number one thing that people point to
Speaker 1: one saying that what's going on at Bohemian Grove is
Speaker 1: like really creepy. It's not the best quality, but I
Speaker 1: do want to play you guys, just a really brief
Speaker 1: brief clip from the Cremation of Care, just to give
Speaker 1: you a sense of what it sounds like. Crap is
Speaker 1: what it sounds like. Yes, but all right, we'll play
Speaker 1: it now. They don't care playing once that summer sets
Speaker 1: us free. Welcome back. This is. You enjoy this is
Speaker 1: and I would encourage you, if you are interested in
Speaker 1: the story, to go watch the video. Um, I'll we'll
Speaker 1: put a link on the website of a good quality
Speaker 1: one with subtitles, because it is such a weird quality
Speaker 1: and and if you google it you're going to find
Speaker 1: ones that are really, really long and awful. But this
Speaker 1: is the bulk of what Alex Jones got on tape,
Speaker 1: except for the additional bunch of hours of him just
Speaker 1: writing around and then sitting in a little like forested aream.
Speaker 1: He's made a lot of noise about the nefarious things
Speaker 1: that are going on, but he was there for four
Speaker 1: hours and it's just boring most of the stuff that
Speaker 1: he got. But the cremation Care is a big part
Speaker 1: of the creepy factor here. It's like the opening ceremony. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's popular ceremony with the members. Let's just describe the
Speaker 1: ceremony for those of our listeners who are who are listening, yeah,
Speaker 1: not watching. The ceremony is basically this an effigy of
Speaker 1: what's called dull Care d u l l Care is
Speaker 1: brought across a small lake by hooded figures to nope,
Speaker 1: hooded figures, to a stage where other hooded figures are
Speaker 1: waiting for it, in front of a giant cement owl.
Speaker 1: It's not an eagle owl. The owl is the symbol
Speaker 1: of the Bohemian Club. It's it's forty ft tall, and
Speaker 1: it is hollow. It's actually a steel frame with a
Speaker 1: cement coverage. And then yeah, I mean, but it's made
Speaker 1: to look like it's naturally occurring. Actually, it's pretty convincing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it looks pretty good. It's kind of cool. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: it turns out if you make a concrete statue and
Speaker 1: you leave it in the woods for forty years and yeah. Yeah. Anyhow,
Speaker 1: the effigy is brought before the crowd of pretty much
Speaker 1: all two thousand, five hundred people who were attending, or
Speaker 1: at least everybody that's attending that day that day. But
Speaker 1: I think that is one of the things that most
Speaker 1: people come to because it's a it's a big thing.
Speaker 1: There's uh oh so sorry. It's placed on an altar,
Speaker 1: and at the end of the ceremony it's set on fire.
Speaker 1: There's a voice over play happening, which I think sounds
Speaker 1: like it's a recording from like fifty years ago. It's
Speaker 1: hard to tell um for a while. The voiceover was
Speaker 1: actually Walter Cronkite, who was a member. The effigy, like
Speaker 1: we said, is brought. It's actually a steel frame. It's
Speaker 1: like literally just re the effigy. Yeah, it's actually like
Speaker 1: rebar welded together in the very most basic frame of
Speaker 1: a stick figure human and then it's wrapped in cloth
Speaker 1: and that cloth is set on fire and it's meant
Speaker 1: to be dull care as in worries, dull your cares. Well, no,
Speaker 1: it's dull care like dull worries, like mundane worries. Of
Speaker 1: I took it the other way, but okay now, yeah,
Speaker 1: So basically they are cremating their worries in order to
Speaker 1: enjoy their retreat. Everyone cheers as you can kind of
Speaker 1: hear in the very tail end of that clip that
Speaker 1: we played. And apparently there's reports of beers being passed
Speaker 1: around and and everything. After the cremation happens, there's a
Speaker 1: huge pyrotechnics. It's an insane which in the woods, Yeah,
Speaker 1: except for they own the woods, so they don't really care. No, seriously,
Speaker 1: they do. This is actually something interesting, but well, this
Speaker 1: is interesting thing. They own a huge chunk of woods
Speaker 1: and you can't log in the red Woods, but they
Speaker 1: can log on that property and they do so frequently.
Speaker 1: They're trying to. They try to a hell of a
Speaker 1: lot more than they got blocked. They're pretty constrained, but
Speaker 1: they do to the fullest extent that they are allowed.
Speaker 1: They they do. Yeah, but the club motto is and
Speaker 1: the club and camp model both is weaving. Spiders come
Speaker 1: not here, which people think is creepy too. But there's
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that you will read online that
Speaker 1: says care is a child. This comes from one specific
Speaker 1: place that we'll talk about a minute, and that the
Speaker 1: owl is actually Moloch, which is a Cannonite Cannanite god
Speaker 1: associated with child sacrificing, who's actually a bull but whatever,
Speaker 1: like a human body. The bulls Yeah, doesn't look anything
Speaker 1: like an owl, but whatever. There's also a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff that you will see if you go to do
Speaker 1: your own research on this where people say that the
Speaker 1: effigy could be a real human who knows? Again, more
Speaker 1: on this lady, Yeah why not? Yeah, I mean really
Speaker 1: why not? You know, actually you're going to burn something,
Speaker 1: might as well burn real person. Yeah, I might as well. No,
Speaker 1: back to the grove after the ceremony. The activities of
Speaker 1: the weeks that follow are pretty much a mixed bag.
Speaker 1: They produced two plays. One that's the High Jinks and
Speaker 1: one that's the Low Jinks. So one is kind of
Speaker 1: a serious, really high production level play, and then the
Speaker 1: Low Jinks is um Oftentimes they'll do it in drag
Speaker 1: or it's just supposed to be like an everywhere. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's you know, low lowbrow humor but maybe not
Speaker 1: a subtle but but yeah, not not as funny probably
Speaker 1: even actually yeah, like exactly, like what if you told
Speaker 1: a group of boy scouts, twelve year old boys in
Speaker 1: the woods to make a play, what they would generate into?
Speaker 1: Whatd Yes? Exactly, there was a there was a really
Speaker 1: funny thing like Henry Kissinger had a little part in
Speaker 1: one of these. Yeah, yeah, I won't tell. Yeah, there
Speaker 1: have been a lot of but again that's one of
Speaker 1: those things, right, There's actually been stories about what happens
Speaker 1: in these plays, and they there's a series of lakeside
Speaker 1: chats that go on. Usually they're hosted, yeah, I'm but
Speaker 1: usually they're hosted by the more powerful and no actually powerful.
Speaker 1: I mean so like usually if a president or ex
Speaker 1: president is an attendance, they get to do one of
Speaker 1: the lakeside chats. So there was there's some pictures of
Speaker 1: George W. And George H. W. Bush, Thank you, I
Speaker 1: had a brain part doing a lakeside chat together between
Speaker 1: their presidencies. It's it's yeah, it is the Ted Talks.
Speaker 1: It's the more yeah, senior powerful, whatever you wanna call it. People.
Speaker 1: There's rumors that the those lakeside talks at Bohemian Grove
Speaker 1: did produce things like the Adam bomb in the thirties.
Speaker 1: There's ties that would have been the forties, but thirties
Speaker 1: would have been the initiation project. Yeah maybe, and that
Speaker 1: you know, that was where Nixon and Reagan got to
Speaker 1: decide who ran when. Yeah, you know, lots of just
Speaker 1: little tiny tendril rumors coming out of the rumor mill,
Speaker 1: out of which is really interesting. I had never actually
Speaker 1: thought about the fact that Reagan may have actually been
Speaker 1: politically was politically active when Nixon got elected. And could
Speaker 1: you imagine what the world was if it had been
Speaker 1: Reagan running and one during the time that we now
Speaker 1: know as the Nixon presidency. That that's a weird thing
Speaker 1: to think of. I don't know, Yeah, I don't remember
Speaker 1: exactly when Reagan was governor of California. Was I don't
Speaker 1: know he already out of it by by the time,
Speaker 1: by nine, but I think he was. I think he
Speaker 1: was still governor, but he resigned to run. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: that's it's just weird thing is that you know these
Speaker 1: timelines and then there's conversations of them deal making at
Speaker 1: this event and saying, no, I won't I won't interfere
Speaker 1: you run, I won't stand in your way. But if
Speaker 1: Ronnie had got godhead and said he could have been
Speaker 1: it could have been kind of even young enough, he
Speaker 1: kind of been Kennedy esque. Yeah, and so that is
Speaker 1: something that I will say if if true, you know,
Speaker 1: there is probably a problem with that. You know, listen,
Speaker 1: that horse trading happens everywhere, but you can't regulate that
Speaker 1: because it actually happened, it can't happen in the airport bathroom.
Speaker 1: Well it could if it was like d I A.
Speaker 1: But anyway, like we said, we don't actually know really
Speaker 1: what happens because the security quote I'm making air quotes here,
Speaker 1: but the security is so good. But really it's just
Speaker 1: because you know, the attendees, are they honor the promise
Speaker 1: that they made and it's they said we're going to
Speaker 1: come Vegas man. Yeah, and that makes sense to me,
Speaker 1: you know, especially if what we know goes on goes yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly the stuff that people say is going yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: As of two thousand and seven, there were a hundred
Speaker 1: and eighteen sub camps that we that the general public
Speaker 1: knew about happening at Bohemian Grove to just give you
Speaker 1: a larger sense of kind of what is going on there,
Speaker 1: and we kind of talked about this, but the most
Speaker 1: prominent one is called Mandalay, which is touted as a
Speaker 1: secret club within a secret club that most members aren't
Speaker 1: even allowed to approach. By the way, the camp just
Speaker 1: for if we said it before and you didn't get it,
Speaker 1: it's basically it's where people are sleeping their bunkhouse. If
Speaker 1: you ever went to camp as a kid, it's your camp,
Speaker 1: or these these SubCamps are you know, the the Weasel
Speaker 1: Camp or the Bunny camp or whatever. It's just your building.
Speaker 1: Well it's not just or not even building. Some of
Speaker 1: them are just like basically like platform center built up
Speaker 1: the hillside and you can pict your tent on this
Speaker 1: wooden It's actually kind of a rugged area. It's not
Speaker 1: that much level ground. But I just want to people
Speaker 1: to understand what these are making subs, what that means.
Speaker 1: It's it's like your little camp area where and you're
Speaker 1: part of these sub clubs. Basically, um So Mandalay, I
Speaker 1: do believe is an actual bunk house like that. It's
Speaker 1: it's super swanky, but yeah, it's touted as this sort
Speaker 1: of even the people who attend, they're the most rich
Speaker 1: and powerful, all of the rich and powerful, and you know,
Speaker 1: security is super tight, which again kind of makes sense
Speaker 1: to me because it's where like really really really rich,
Speaker 1: high powered people are, so they're probably a little you know,
Speaker 1: it's like two thousand, five hundred people are there, right,
Speaker 1: It's not as though it's just a hundred of your
Speaker 1: closest friends. It's that's a large group of people. So
Speaker 1: you do still probably have to be careful about your
Speaker 1: own security for the course of two weeks. They're not
Speaker 1: all there the entire time. But even if everybody's there,
Speaker 1: even if they are camps, that's still my math suddenly
Speaker 1: just blew. It's okay because they're different sizes. All the
Speaker 1: camps are different sizes. All I'm all I'm trying to
Speaker 1: get at is that just because you're at the super
Speaker 1: secret camp, which a lot with a lot of other
Speaker 1: high powered rich men, doesn't mean that you don't still
Speaker 1: need to be aware of your own security understanding, depending
Speaker 1: on which how high empowered or what your profile is
Speaker 1: a m That's okay. Some other camps are as we said,
Speaker 1: the Hillbillies, which is the Texas based chapter of the Bushes,
Speaker 1: are members of that one. Their mascot is a quote
Speaker 1: satanic goat creature. WHOA, you'd be much nicer. The derogatory
Speaker 1: way to talk about chop is not. I'd be kind
Speaker 1: of a cheap. Yeah, it might be reference though it's
Speaker 1: a what's the what's the thing that plays the pan pipes?
Speaker 1: Ye kind of thing? And then they're in Narnia too,
Speaker 1: but it's one of those things whatever Mr Tumnuses, I
Speaker 1: can't remember. I'm sorry anyway, there's a there's also a
Speaker 1: group called the Lost Angels. Again, this kind of allows
Speaker 1: everybody to just interpret stuff going on um as they will,
Speaker 1: because you know, when you you name your camps things
Speaker 1: like that, it begs for a little scrutiny. But it's
Speaker 1: also a hundred and eighteen camps. So at some point
Speaker 1: you're gonna stop coming up with really cool names. They're
Speaker 1: gonna be a little weird some of them. I think
Speaker 1: we could come up the three of Us team, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean at the same time. And actually, you know what,
Speaker 1: if we were though, the Hillbillies would probably be one
Speaker 1: of them. A stay all right anyway, Yeah, three d episodes,
Speaker 1: a hundred of which we haven't recorded. Yeah, definitely get
Speaker 1: it right, Yeah, okay, okay, well all I guess that's
Speaker 1: all I have to say about the story. And then
Speaker 1: we'll talk theories here. Yeah, there's theories theories about what's
Speaker 1: going on here, and we'll probably add a little additional
Speaker 1: information as we talk about theories, like we are wont
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Speaker 1: and we're back. So yeah, let's talk about him. So
Speaker 1: the first theory are there by the way to Okay,
Speaker 1: the first theory Steve is already mad about is uh.
Speaker 1: I forgot that face. I can't help it. I smell
Speaker 1: something bad. Face, I know. I'm sorry. I also forgot
Speaker 1: that I made a joke title for this so that
Speaker 1: I can't read on the show, so I have to
Speaker 1: rename it on the fly. We're gonna call this one
Speaker 1: the Satanic New World Order. Stuff things so things so things,
Speaker 1: planning and stuff. Yeah. Basically, this theory would stipulate that
Speaker 1: the ritual is like super pagan sacrifice is real, it's
Speaker 1: a child sacrifice to Moloch, not an owl. And this
Speaker 1: group of men are actually planning the New World Order,
Speaker 1: which is kind of of some sort of pagan, satanic
Speaker 1: new world or currently, Yeah, that seems to be the thing. Again,
Speaker 1: as I mentioned, I'm not going to go too far
Speaker 1: into this because it's not We're not doing an episode
Speaker 1: on the New World Order. But that does always seem
Speaker 1: to be the thing with the New World Orders everything.
Speaker 1: It's always really satanic and a CULTI And it's kind
Speaker 1: of like, well but why but why oh? Because that
Speaker 1: scares people a lot. Okay, got it? Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: about it is is and I'm not I'm not claiming
Speaker 1: the New World Order conspiracy does not exist. But George W.
Speaker 1: Bush must have caught a lot of grief from his
Speaker 1: fellow club members for letting it slip because he did well,
Speaker 1: he's going to the term the New World Order. No,
Speaker 1: he didn't coin the term. He just let it lip
Speaker 1: in the speech. Okay, now, I mean, or another way
Speaker 1: of looking at it, He just coined the term because
Speaker 1: essentially the Soviet unity just collapsed. But he but he
Speaker 1: accidentally let it slip by using a phrase, you know,
Speaker 1: in the real world, yes, But another way of looking
Speaker 1: at it is, yeah, he just coined the term in
Speaker 1: a speech because the Sylviet unity collapsed and we were
Speaker 1: looking at a new international order. So you could look
Speaker 1: at it that way. But you know, only a fool
Speaker 1: believe that, right, Yeah, it's a new world order. Yeah
Speaker 1: and yeah. Anyway, so the Bohemian Club is primarily made
Speaker 1: up of white conservative Christian men. There are reports, okay,
Speaker 1: and the only place that I've actually seen this report
Speaker 1: is I think from Alex Jones, I believe. I don't
Speaker 1: think I saw in any of the Spy magazine or
Speaker 1: anything like that. But the Spy magazine article he did
Speaker 1: mention a little bit of love. They didn't say any actually,
Speaker 1: like yeah, so yeah, it's like actually a thing that
Speaker 1: fraternity you guys actually do you know? They blow each
Speaker 1: other kisses in the shower. But it's all just that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. So Alex Jones makes claims of actual
Speaker 1: homosexual orgies happening at the club, although he was only there.
Speaker 1: But also he was only there for four hours and
Speaker 1: it was the very first day he stayed for the
Speaker 1: cremation of care and then left. I don't know how
Speaker 1: he has a proof of these homosexual orgies. But he
Speaker 1: hid in the woods for part of the day. And
Speaker 1: the reason he did that is because he said that
Speaker 1: he was being cat called so pervasively that he was
Speaker 1: really uncomfortable, so he decided to go hide with his
Speaker 1: cameraman in the woods. He's a pretty hunky guy, I
Speaker 1: can understand. Well, so so okay, wait, wait, so here's
Speaker 1: what I love to think. There's there's one of two
Speaker 1: ways that I see that that became an issue. One,
Speaker 1: he is so insecure that a couple of dudes making
Speaker 1: frat jokes and hey, sweet cheeks kind of jokes totally
Speaker 1: just dudes being dudes and screwed with either made him
Speaker 1: super uncomfortable or he had been doing what he does
Speaker 1: for a couple of years at that point, and somebody
Speaker 1: might have said, wait, that's Alex Jones. That a hole
Speaker 1: is in here, guys, we have to mess with him.
Speaker 1: Don't kick him out. We're gonna screw with him and
Speaker 1: then we'll get him out of here. And they went
Speaker 1: after him. That's what I was to make him just
Speaker 1: hate life. Well, here's another thing I didn't see or
Speaker 1: hear any proof. As mentioned, I did not watch all
Speaker 1: of the every single bit of the footage you didn't hear.
Speaker 1: I did not know. I really didn't. And so actually
Speaker 1: a lot of me thinks that it's possible that he
Speaker 1: just like kind of got scared, like just got nervous, yeah,
Speaker 1: and was like all right, I mean, you know, he
Speaker 1: was just camping. Like when you play a shooter video
Speaker 1: game and you got the one dude who's like camp
Speaker 1: snipering and he's just sitting there and the way that
Speaker 1: he wins the game is because he didn't die. I
Speaker 1: mean that seems to me kind of he just was like, wow, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're just gonna go sit in the woods and that'll
Speaker 1: be safe, and then we'll do this cremation of care
Speaker 1: thing and then we'll get out of here as fast
Speaker 1: as humanly possible and then literally skulking around camp. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that seemed to be what was going on. It makes sense.
Speaker 1: You know, you get in there, you minimize the chot
Speaker 1: and the chance to getting caught to your campra camera confiscated,
Speaker 1: and you know, losing your footage and stuff, which is fine,
Speaker 1: you know, but overall, so it seems like, correct me
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. The whole we're worshiping Satan and burning
Speaker 1: children and barbecuing them for the final dinner. That seems
Speaker 1: to have a lot of that has spawned out since
Speaker 1: these his videos. I actually do think that his video
Speaker 1: is the only the very first point. It's the origin
Speaker 1: of that theory. Yes, there, I mean again, there have
Speaker 1: been people who have said, um, well, in the eighties
Speaker 1: there were people who were saying that they were doing
Speaker 1: stuff and we needed to watch them. But it was
Speaker 1: because they were powerful and political and apparently planning the
Speaker 1: atomic box. But some of those people also were so
Speaker 1: fanatical I could see where they might be starting circulating
Speaker 1: some more lurid rumors too well. And they had been,
Speaker 1: they had admitted that they were in the eighties. I
Speaker 1: cannot remember the name of the lady who had the
Speaker 1: Watchdog group. Yeah, and she was. She seemed to allude
Speaker 1: to that they were they were pulling up stuff and
Speaker 1: more of and more of it seemed to be that
Speaker 1: they were smoking what they were growing. And maybe it
Speaker 1: wasn't all founded in reality. Yeah, man is after a man. Yeah. Also,
Speaker 1: there's this chatter just to get back sorry, there's this
Speaker 1: chatter of the of the creation of care or care
Speaker 1: being a child sacrifice and the reason for this is
Speaker 1: there are basically like programs handed out at the beginning
Speaker 1: of UM the cremation of care, and also programs for
Speaker 1: the entire weekend. I mean, it's there's a lot of programming.
Speaker 1: You gotta, you know, decide what you want to go
Speaker 1: to an organizational totally. But they do hand out a
Speaker 1: program at the creation of care, so everybody knows, you know,
Speaker 1: what's going on all along, and they have different images
Speaker 1: on them every year. But one year they had a
Speaker 1: little drawing of a skeleton burning and I honestly, honestly,
Speaker 1: when I first saw this drawing, I didn't even recognize
Speaker 1: it as a as a human skeleton because it's bad.
Speaker 1: Um it's well, yeah, Alex Jones says that he had
Speaker 1: it examined by doctors and they the drawing to be clear,
Speaker 1: had the drawing examined by doctors, and they said that
Speaker 1: the ratio of the head to the body was that
Speaker 1: of a child, and that the arms, which I don't
Speaker 1: even recognize as arms, they're like little like lobster claws,
Speaker 1: are are Also they just say that the purport. He
Speaker 1: says that they say that the proportions are of a child,
Speaker 1: therefore proving that it's care is actually a child science
Speaker 1: sacrifice or either Or it could be a tree, or
Speaker 1: it could be bad drawing, could be very it's a
Speaker 1: tree on fire, it's in front of a flame, it's
Speaker 1: a giant flame, it's treat Or it could be like
Speaker 1: a subtle endorsement of euthanasia. Yeah, yeah, because it's obviously
Speaker 1: the form child it's going to be like, you know,
Speaker 1: disposed of. Yeah, so interpretations that, can I just say
Speaker 1: one thing? Yeah? Oh yeah, okay, So I know YouTube
Speaker 1: were worried about us getting sued for slanders. So if
Speaker 1: Alex Jones comes after this, this is this is all
Speaker 1: on me. If this is what he believes, he's an idiot. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean the drawing thing. Here's what I will say drawing,
Speaker 1: because I've seen it and it's Here's what I will
Speaker 1: say about Alex Jones is that he has made a
Speaker 1: really successful, lucrative career for himself on conspiracy theories and
Speaker 1: this and this was pretty much the first big one
Speaker 1: for him. I mean, like I said, he got popular
Speaker 1: pretty much right after this stuff came out. He founded
Speaker 1: Info Wars not to too much later than that. This
Speaker 1: has continued to be a thing that he talks about
Speaker 1: and points back to the footage from two thousand and um,
Speaker 1: as we're going to talk about in just one moment
Speaker 1: um some additional footage that came out in two thousand five.
Speaker 1: And you know, God love him. I mean honestly, like,
Speaker 1: if you can just make a career out of screaming
Speaker 1: into a microphone, like that's what we're doing right now.
Speaker 1: We really have been doing it wrong. We need to screaming.
Speaker 1: We should be screaming more. Yeah, next time, on thinking sideways,
Speaker 1: just an hour of screaming. We're just gonna sit in
Speaker 1: the room and scream into the microphone. Pay for it.
Speaker 1: We are next April fools. It'll go over better. Yeah,
Speaker 1: people will not be confused, they want that's true. Well
Speaker 1: they might be actually, but that's true anyway. So this
Speaker 1: is just going to go into our next theory because
Speaker 1: I have no organizational skills whatsoever and just wanted to
Speaker 1: talk about this story. Um. The next theory is that
Speaker 1: actually this is a boy's camp for a bunch of
Speaker 1: dudes who don't really know how to unwind and need
Speaker 1: to keep their own winding a secret. M h. I
Speaker 1: mean yeah, so well, and and so here's here's all
Speaker 1: I will say is that just honestly take a step
Speaker 1: back from it and say, if you remove the cremation
Speaker 1: of care, pantomime, opening ceremonies, what do we have nothing
Speaker 1: but you guys hanging out and drinking some some uh
Speaker 1: some singing, playing bagpipe, swimming, hiking, drink, lots of eating. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and ultimately and we can say, you know, okay,
Speaker 1: maybe some of the lectures are about the feasibility of
Speaker 1: the atomic bomb. Maybe they are ures, they are, But realistically,
Speaker 1: what does that come down to is powerful men who
Speaker 1: are knowledgeable about topics talking about the topics they are
Speaker 1: knowledgeable on, and deal making and talking about like interesting
Speaker 1: things to them. Yes, the deal making thing, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: very happy to say is a problem. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: maybe it is, maybe it is there. I wouldn't call
Speaker 1: that a problem because I'm sorry, but powerful people get
Speaker 1: together where they all can congregate and be with their
Speaker 1: like kind. I'm sorry us poor people we get together
Speaker 1: in poor people bars. Rich people they get together in
Speaker 1: rich country clubs like there. You you should think with
Speaker 1: the people that are like you and you talk and listen.
Speaker 1: We can make a deal. But our deal is worth
Speaker 1: ten dollars, because we don't have but ten dollars between us.
Speaker 1: When you've got a billion, it's a billion dollar deal.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing about this that I find lessons sinister,
Speaker 1: is that is that, Yeah, these are people like especially
Speaker 1: like heads of state and you know, heads of big
Speaker 1: corporations and stuff, who have to every other day of
Speaker 1: the year watch their selves themselves really super closely because
Speaker 1: everything followed by the press, especially if you're a politician,
Speaker 1: everywhere you go. This is one place where you can
Speaker 1: go and no reporters allowed, and nobody talks about you know,
Speaker 1: you got drunk and got naked and put a lamp
Speaker 1: shade over your head. Nobody talks about that. So you
Speaker 1: can totally make a fool of yourself and a good time.
Speaker 1: I what these guys would like that. That's how I
Speaker 1: feel as well. And then so let's add back in
Speaker 1: the whole cremation of care thing, and let's talk about
Speaker 1: that for a second. Some additional footage was released in
Speaker 1: two thousand five, as I mentioned, just a couple of
Speaker 1: minutes ago, and from somebody who was reporting to be
Speaker 1: an employee of the grove. Most of it was equally
Speaker 1: mundane as the Alex Jones footage. But one thing that
Speaker 1: was cool is the person was able to gain access
Speaker 1: to see the effigies that were used in this cremation
Speaker 1: ceremony pre using this pre use in the ceremony. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and actually I thought that was really interesting and it
Speaker 1: was actually confirmed. There are four different effigies. One is
Speaker 1: just in a horse drawn carriage, like an old tiny
Speaker 1: hearse with the horse drawn carriage hearse kind of thing.
Speaker 1: One is used on the boat. One is kept behind
Speaker 1: some curtains for the people running the ceremony, which is
Speaker 1: admittedly odd. I don't really know why. I think it's
Speaker 1: a backup too, but I will also the very least
Speaker 1: I want to say, Okay, it is a little weird.
Speaker 1: If the Bernie one doesn't catch on fire, you can
Speaker 1: grab the backup one and literally fling it off the stage.
Speaker 1: And yeah, look yeah, I mean again, I'm willing to
Speaker 1: at least seed to the really hardcore conspiracy theorists out
Speaker 1: there that one could be odd. Probably not, but about
Speaker 1: the backups. But the other possibility is that if it's members,
Speaker 1: we have to put this thing on, then they have
Speaker 1: to have their own ceremony afterwards. What they can they
Speaker 1: can stay their cares because obviously during the ceremony they
Speaker 1: be all serious and focused. Well I don't know, maybe
Speaker 1: they have a second maybe that's true. Yeah, And then
Speaker 1: the final one is the one they set on fire,
Speaker 1: and you can actually see the fire one in the video.
Speaker 1: It is that that rebar literally stick figure pretty much
Speaker 1: that is got to basically like Paul like like a
Speaker 1: pall bearer, like on a casket kind of things, um
Speaker 1: welded to either side of it. And it is adult size,
Speaker 1: so not not a baby, not a child. Actually don't
Speaker 1: like a pretty large adult actually size, So that seems
Speaker 1: to debunk the child part at least. You know what,
Speaker 1: I just realized I really shouldn't have been so concerned
Speaker 1: about these guys lighting a fireworks. You know why, because
Speaker 1: the entire area it's a god yeah. No, it's also
Speaker 1: on a lake, I mean, and they bring in actual
Speaker 1: pyrotechnic text and all of that stuff. They might actually
Speaker 1: get at the fire hoses and wet the trees down.
Speaker 1: Plus actually was a joke, okay, but also redwoods are
Speaker 1: actually kind of fire resistant. No, I just mean the
Speaker 1: ground just covered. But that's okay. The other thing I
Speaker 1: just want to mention. Again, you may or may not
Speaker 1: have noticed that. I keep calling it the cremation of care,
Speaker 1: because that's what it's called. It's called the cremation of ca.
Speaker 1: You're cremating, do you know what? You cremate a dead body.
Speaker 1: You don't kill somebody with cremation, that's not how it works.
Speaker 1: Then then it's incineration or a moment in relation, sorry,
Speaker 1: burning somebody. I mean, yeah, it's the cremation, because they
Speaker 1: have as they've walked in. It's my understanding at least,
Speaker 1: And there have been accounts of people who are members
Speaker 1: who have said this about this actual seramy, and they say, yeah,
Speaker 1: you come in, you know, it's a it's at the
Speaker 1: evening of that first night. So you come in and
Speaker 1: you're supposed to have already tried to get rid of
Speaker 1: most of your dull cares, you're supposed to kill them,
Speaker 1: most of your worldly worries, and then at this ceremony,
Speaker 1: it's basically just it's like a Christmas pageant almost. You know,
Speaker 1: it's it's the it's the it's the it's the cremation
Speaker 1: of your already dead dull cares. That will and if
Speaker 1: you watch it, you will see there's a bit of
Speaker 1: a thing with dull care saying like, you try to
Speaker 1: burn me and they say and they say, yeah, you
Speaker 1: you're gonna we know word you know, no, it doesn't
Speaker 1: say that, but they say, yeah, we're burning you now,
Speaker 1: and we know that at the end of this Midsummer's
Speaker 1: retreat you will come back. And that's just how the
Speaker 1: world works, which again whatever, but it is. It's like
Speaker 1: a Christmas pageant, right, I mean, think about how if
Speaker 1: you had zero context for a Christmas pageant and you
Speaker 1: just saw it, how weird and kind of creepy it
Speaker 1: could seem. Just think about that, right, That's just something
Speaker 1: that I just keep thinking about with me. But you know,
Speaker 1: I was going to say though that you know, having
Speaker 1: seen having seen this it, it actually is no creepier,
Speaker 1: maybe less creepyer than just the big burning of the
Speaker 1: man at Burning Man, Yeah, which is equally you know,
Speaker 1: if you if you were looking at that as an outsider,
Speaker 1: and believe me, it's a huge ceremony and it's big,
Speaker 1: and then this huge thing gets burned and the whole
Speaker 1: thing and you know, in a certain sense it is
Speaker 1: kind of just like what's the word for it, like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like being on another planet and there's
Speaker 1: this weird, scary, really and thing going on in front
Speaker 1: of you. There's uh, there's one of the videos that
Speaker 1: I posted for you guys is a guy from Ireland
Speaker 1: talking about a festival that they do in his town
Speaker 1: where they have an actual stuff dummy that they burn.
Speaker 1: It's supposed to be actually like burning a man in
Speaker 1: effigy here every year, and that, I mean that is
Speaker 1: explicitly pretending to be burning an actual human. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is not even its Alina. Well, in the verbiage that
Speaker 1: these guys use in the what is obviously Pat wrote speech,
Speaker 1: and I think, well, yeah, but well, what I mean,
Speaker 1: what I'm getting at though, is that I've you know,
Speaker 1: and I was a high school and then early college.
Speaker 1: I was involved in different organizations, and you know, the
Speaker 1: owl is very traditional from organizations that are eighteen or
Speaker 1: nineteenth century is forward because it was always the wise figure.
Speaker 1: And the wording that they use is very very similar
Speaker 1: to it's yeah, it's it's it's dated for us, and
Speaker 1: they use it, but it becomes wrote and pat and
Speaker 1: so people who don't know what the hell it is,
Speaker 1: that's weird. You talk like that in the late eighteen
Speaker 1: hundreds who wrote it considered it to be wise and astute.
Speaker 1: And that's the reason I will say that originally when
Speaker 1: they were doing the cremation of care, the people who
Speaker 1: were participating in it, it was much smaller. It was
Speaker 1: not people um and the people who were participating were
Speaker 1: encouraged to write their own scripts. And then eventually, like
Speaker 1: we said, Walter Cronkite was the voice of it, and
Speaker 1: it was, uh, it's just become an actual passion. They
Speaker 1: literally I really think they do. And I you know,
Speaker 1: you can't tell from the video, but it sounds like
Speaker 1: to me they literally just priss play on some voice
Speaker 1: acting from the fifties and then just kind of go
Speaker 1: through the motions and pretend like they're doing it and
Speaker 1: then that's it. Yeah, that's all of this to say,
Speaker 1: somebody holps George hw didn't put the magnet next to
Speaker 1: the actual cassette because that was a dub buckle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why actor George Jr. Was terrible in that role.
Speaker 1: That's why. Yeah, that's why Walter Cronkite doesn't do it anymore.
Speaker 1: Have to tell you it's the tape nips and you know,
Speaker 1: all this to say this, This doesn't necessarily mean that, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't believe in conspiracies. I don't believe that. You know,
Speaker 1: sometimes a lot of high powered people come together and
Speaker 1: maybe do say like well, you know, Nixon, you run
Speaker 1: this year in Reagan, and that's that's that is some
Speaker 1: kind of organizing and conspiring for the world. But it
Speaker 1: happens everywhere. You can't stop people from doing that. And
Speaker 1: I also think this, like Joe was saying, is like
Speaker 1: the kind of lives that these people lead well in
Speaker 1: the time, but it's the only time that you that
Speaker 1: they have to actually unwind because the rest of their
Speaker 1: lives are literally under scrutiny all the time. And that's
Speaker 1: just all it seems like to me, is that it's
Speaker 1: just like a bunch of frat boys who never really
Speaker 1: grew out of that but suddenly have to try to
Speaker 1: do better in public society. And yeah, that could be that,
Speaker 1: or it could be much deeper and more sinister, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: those are the two for example. Well enough, for example,
Speaker 1: it's even more sinister me like, for example, that articles
Speaker 1: inspired that was from my teenage written by a guy
Speaker 1: named Philip Weiss who winfiltrated the camp over and over again.
Speaker 1: And yeah, and he reported seeing a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of public irrination, a lot of drunkenness, had conversations
Speaker 1: with many many people, including that I had a short
Speaker 1: brief conversation with Ronald Reagan himself. And it may well
Speaker 1: be that they were up to some serious business there.
Speaker 1: But what they did is like they tagged him right away.
Speaker 1: They surrounded him with a clot of drunken Republicans who
Speaker 1: went with him and surrounded him everywhere he did. Actually,
Speaker 1: there was there was part of me that was kind
Speaker 1: of like, well, it does seem a little suspicious, Alex,
Speaker 1: that you were allowed to go in with this tape
Speaker 1: and get it out and publish it and have continued
Speaker 1: to be allowed to publish it. I mean, it's all
Speaker 1: over and you know, if this, if this whole New
Speaker 1: World Order blah blah blah blah blah, either they're like
Speaker 1: totally allowing him to do this because everyone's like, well
Speaker 1: he's crazy, or it's spreading false propaganda because if if
Speaker 1: it's this, if it really is this New World Order thing,
Speaker 1: don't you think they could have had YouTube take that
Speaker 1: video down. The best way to spread misinformation is to
Speaker 1: have your enemy spread it is true. Yeah, totally. And
Speaker 1: so yeah, no I love that idea that that that's
Speaker 1: what's going on. I really don't think it. And by
Speaker 1: the way, just as a clarification so that we don't
Speaker 1: get any angry emails when we say frat boys drinking
Speaker 1: and we're talking about these high powered people stereotype, this
Speaker 1: is the stereotype. We're not saying that your frat delta
Speaker 1: delta delta, which I, by the way, don't freak out.
Speaker 1: I know it's not a frat that's a story. It's
Speaker 1: a joke, but it's just we're playing the stereotype. So
Speaker 1: calm down, boys. Yeah, but let's beer down. But Marguerite
Speaker 1: is down, your apple teena is okay, let's continue on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't have anywhere to continue just because I need
Speaker 1: has something. Yeah, no, I'll just say that, you know,
Speaker 1: this stuff has been around with us is kind of
Speaker 1: behavior for a long time. If you if you buy
Speaker 1: in all this series, because it often is the case
Speaker 1: in America and other places too, that if the guys
Speaker 1: that you don't like win the election and suddenly all
Speaker 1: the paranoia starts, it sets in big and if you
Speaker 1: buy it and if you you know, and at the
Speaker 1: end of the world it's Hitley, you know, it's you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is just like Nazi Germany. And if
Speaker 1: you buy into that, and you buy into this kind
Speaker 1: of stuff, you're just a tool. You know. You might
Speaker 1: think you're smart and everything else and you're the good
Speaker 1: one and they're the evil ones, but really you're just
Speaker 1: a tool. I mean, you know that's for somebody else's game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not in the derogatory term of ye public of a
Speaker 1: private part, but yeah, that's that's where most of the
Speaker 1: stuff is coming from. Yeah, you like, but but you know,
Speaker 1: on the other end, I could be wrong and maybe
Speaker 1: there is like a secret on ground complex and all
Speaker 1: sorts of stuff going on, because those those trees are
Speaker 1: actually not live anymore. They've been hollowed out, short up.
Speaker 1: You paint them all year long. It's why they don't
Speaker 1: log them. And they're actually ground complex. The buttons to
Speaker 1: operate it are in that stone owl. Yeah, probably that's true. Yeah, well, okay,
Speaker 1: do you guys have anything more to add to that?
Speaker 1: The lake opens up and that's where the health conters
Speaker 1: coming out. Yeah, I just want to say I do
Speaker 1: want to go there and check it out. I wish
Speaker 1: they would invite me. I mean, I mean, we're pretty
Speaker 1: freaking high powered here. Yeah. So hey, if you are
Speaker 1: a member of the Bohemian Grove and you want to
Speaker 1: take I guess these guys not me because I'm a lady.
Speaker 1: The security is not all that tight. I I get
Speaker 1: your eyeliner. We can paint a mustache on your curly
Speaker 1: one to boot being multiple round curls perfect. I'll let you. Okay,
Speaker 1: tuck your hair up under your cap. Nobody will. She's
Speaker 1: like Brad Pitt, she's an she's man growing hair out
Speaker 1: that with a man bun and everything. Yeah see that will.
Speaker 1: I'm sure that all of the really old, rich, right
Speaker 1: Republican Christian men are going to be like, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: one of ours. That guy thinks in it's true. Yeah. Anyway, um,
Speaker 1: all of I guess. All of this having been said,
Speaker 1: it's time for us to give you some additional information.
Speaker 1: Like I said, we will post a video like our
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Speaker 1: I think we're just gonna go ahead and get out
Speaker 1: of here and hopefully not being murdered by the New
Speaker 1: World Order on my way home. Too late for that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm going to water a tree by Smoky. Alright. Well,
Speaker 1: when I say bye, I mean bye forever everybody. Bye, guys,