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Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of Thinking Sideways the podcast. I

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Speaker 1: Am Devin, joined as usual by Steve and known as

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Speaker 1: April Fool's episode to hear the backstory behind that lots

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Speaker 1: of truffle. Yeah, anyway, today we are going to talk

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Speaker 1: to be an episode about the Bohemian Club, or the

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Speaker 1: Skull and Bones or the New World Order, just the

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Speaker 1: Annual Retreat with a brief exception for purposes of explanation.

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Speaker 1: Not just about the Annual Retreat. It's about the actual

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, wrong story, long story, wrong story. Yeah, the

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Speaker 1: annual retreat at the Bohemian Grove of the Bohemian Club.

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Speaker 1: The general mystery here is that since eighteen seventy eight,

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Speaker 1: the stuff. Yeah No. The big thing here is that

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Speaker 1: little tiny tendril rumors coming out of the rumor mill,

423
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Speaker 1: out of which is really interesting. I had never actually

424
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 1: thought about the fact that Reagan may have actually been

425
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 1: politically was politically active when Nixon got elected. And could

426
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,360
Speaker 1: you imagine what the world was if it had been

427
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 1: Reagan running and one during the time that we now

428
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 1: know as the Nixon presidency. That that's a weird thing

429
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,959
Speaker 1: to think of. I don't know, Yeah, I don't remember

430
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 1: exactly when Reagan was governor of California. Was I don't

431
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 1: know he already out of it by by the time,

432
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,919
Speaker 1: by nine, but I think he was. I think he

433
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 1: was still governor, but he resigned to run. Yeah, So

434
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 1: that's it's just weird thing is that you know these

435
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: timelines and then there's conversations of them deal making at

436
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 1: this event and saying, no, I won't I won't interfere

437
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: you run, I won't stand in your way. But if

438
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 1: Ronnie had got godhead and said he could have been

439
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 1: it could have been kind of even young enough, he

440
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: kind of been Kennedy esque. Yeah, and so that is

441
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: something that I will say if if true, you know,

442
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: there is probably a problem with that. You know, listen,

443
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: that horse trading happens everywhere, but you can't regulate that

444
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: because it actually happened, it can't happen in the airport bathroom.

445
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: Well it could if it was like d I A.

446
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 1: But anyway, like we said, we don't actually know really

447
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 1: what happens because the security quote I'm making air quotes here,

448
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: but the security is so good. But really it's just

449
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 1: because you know, the attendees, are they honor the promise

450
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 1: that they made and it's they said we're going to

451
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 1: come Vegas man. Yeah, and that makes sense to me,

452
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 1: you know, especially if what we know goes on goes yeah,

453
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: exactly the stuff that people say is going yeah. Yeah.

454
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: As of two thousand and seven, there were a hundred

455
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:17,719
Speaker 1: and eighteen sub camps that we that the general public

456
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,959
Speaker 1: knew about happening at Bohemian Grove to just give you

457
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 1: a larger sense of kind of what is going on there,

458
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: and we kind of talked about this, but the most

459
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: prominent one is called Mandalay, which is touted as a

460
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 1: secret club within a secret club that most members aren't

461
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 1: even allowed to approach. By the way, the camp just

462
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: for if we said it before and you didn't get it,

463
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: it's basically it's where people are sleeping their bunkhouse. If

464
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: you ever went to camp as a kid, it's your camp,

465
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: or these these SubCamps are you know, the the Weasel

466
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: Camp or the Bunny camp or whatever. It's just your building.

467
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: Well it's not just or not even building. Some of

468
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,959
Speaker 1: them are just like basically like platform center built up

469
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: the hillside and you can pict your tent on this

470
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: wooden It's actually kind of a rugged area. It's not

471
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: that much level ground. But I just want to people

472
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: to understand what these are making subs, what that means.

473
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: It's it's like your little camp area where and you're

474
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: part of these sub clubs. Basically, um So Mandalay, I

475
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: do believe is an actual bunk house like that. It's

476
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: it's super swanky, but yeah, it's touted as this sort

477
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: of even the people who attend, they're the most rich

478
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: and powerful, all of the rich and powerful, and you know,

479
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: security is super tight, which again kind of makes sense

480
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: to me because it's where like really really really rich,

481
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: high powered people are, so they're probably a little you know,

482
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: it's like two thousand, five hundred people are there, right,

483
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,479
Speaker 1: It's not as though it's just a hundred of your

484
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: closest friends. It's that's a large group of people. So

485
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: you do still probably have to be careful about your

486
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: own security for the course of two weeks. They're not

487
00:29:54,320 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: all there the entire time. But even if everybody's there,

488
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: even if they are camps, that's still my math suddenly

489
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: just blew. It's okay because they're different sizes. All the

490
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: camps are different sizes. All I'm all I'm trying to

491
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: get at is that just because you're at the super

492
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: secret camp, which a lot with a lot of other

493
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: high powered rich men, doesn't mean that you don't still

494
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: need to be aware of your own security understanding, depending

495
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: on which how high empowered or what your profile is

496
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: a m That's okay. Some other camps are as we said,

497
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: the Hillbillies, which is the Texas based chapter of the Bushes,

498
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: are members of that one. Their mascot is a quote

499
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: satanic goat creature. WHOA, you'd be much nicer. The derogatory

500
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: way to talk about chop is not. I'd be kind

501
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: of a cheap. Yeah, it might be reference though it's

502
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: a what's the what's the thing that plays the pan pipes?

503
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: Ye kind of thing? And then they're in Narnia too,

504
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: but it's one of those things whatever Mr Tumnuses, I

505
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: can't remember. I'm sorry anyway, there's a there's also a

506
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: group called the Lost Angels. Again, this kind of allows

507
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: everybody to just interpret stuff going on um as they will,

508
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: because you know, when you you name your camps things

509
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: like that, it begs for a little scrutiny. But it's

510
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: also a hundred and eighteen camps. So at some point

511
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: you're gonna stop coming up with really cool names. They're

512
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: gonna be a little weird some of them. I think

513
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: we could come up the three of Us team, but yeah,

514
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: I mean at the same time. And actually, you know what,

515
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: if we were though, the Hillbillies would probably be one

516
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: of them. A stay all right anyway, Yeah, three d episodes,

517
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: a hundred of which we haven't recorded. Yeah, definitely get

518
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: it right, Yeah, okay, okay, well all I guess that's

519
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: all I have to say about the story. And then

520
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: we'll talk theories here. Yeah, there's theories theories about what's

521
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: going on here, and we'll probably add a little additional

522
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: information as we talk about theories, like we are wont

523
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: to do. But first let's take a break, so we'll

524
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Speaker 1: and we're back. So yeah, let's talk about him. So

534
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: the first theory are there by the way to Okay,

535
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: the first theory Steve is already mad about is uh.

536
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: I forgot that face. I can't help it. I smell

537
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: something bad. Face, I know. I'm sorry. I also forgot

538
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: that I made a joke title for this so that

539
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: I can't read on the show, so I have to

540
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: rename it on the fly. We're gonna call this one

541
00:33:53,160 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: the Satanic New World Order. Stuff things so things so things,

542
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: planning and stuff. Yeah. Basically, this theory would stipulate that

543
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: the ritual is like super pagan sacrifice is real, it's

544
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: a child sacrifice to Moloch, not an owl. And this

545
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,760
Speaker 1: group of men are actually planning the New World Order,

546
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 1: which is kind of of some sort of pagan, satanic

547
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 1: new world or currently, Yeah, that seems to be the thing. Again,

548
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: as I mentioned, I'm not going to go too far

549
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: into this because it's not We're not doing an episode

550
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: on the New World Order. But that does always seem

551
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: to be the thing with the New World Orders everything.

552
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: It's always really satanic and a CULTI And it's kind

553
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: of like, well but why but why oh? Because that

554
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: scares people a lot. Okay, got it? Yeah, I think

555
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,280
Speaker 1: about it is is and I'm not I'm not claiming

556
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: the New World Order conspiracy does not exist. But George W.

557
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 1: Bush must have caught a lot of grief from his

558
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: fellow club members for letting it slip because he did well,

559
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 1: he's going to the term the New World Order. No,

560
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: he didn't coin the term. He just let it lip

561
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: in the speech. Okay, now, I mean, or another way

562
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: of looking at it, He just coined the term because

563
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: essentially the Soviet unity just collapsed. But he but he

564
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: accidentally let it slip by using a phrase, you know,

565
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: in the real world, yes, But another way of looking

566
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: at it is, yeah, he just coined the term in

567
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 1: a speech because the Sylviet unity collapsed and we were

568
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 1: looking at a new international order. So you could look

569
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: at it that way. But you know, only a fool

570
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: believe that, right, Yeah, it's a new world order. Yeah

571
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: and yeah. Anyway, so the Bohemian Club is primarily made

572
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: up of white conservative Christian men. There are reports, okay,

573
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: and the only place that I've actually seen this report

574
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,479
Speaker 1: is I think from Alex Jones, I believe. I don't

575
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 1: think I saw in any of the Spy magazine or

576
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: anything like that. But the Spy magazine article he did

577
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: mention a little bit of love. They didn't say any actually,

578
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: like yeah, so yeah, it's like actually a thing that

579
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: fraternity you guys actually do you know? They blow each

580
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: other kisses in the shower. But it's all just that

581
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. So Alex Jones makes claims of actual

582
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: homosexual orgies happening at the club, although he was only there.

583
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: But also he was only there for four hours and

584
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: it was the very first day he stayed for the

585
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 1: cremation of care and then left. I don't know how

586
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 1: he has a proof of these homosexual orgies. But he

587
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: hid in the woods for part of the day. And

588
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: the reason he did that is because he said that

589
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: he was being cat called so pervasively that he was

590
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: really uncomfortable, so he decided to go hide with his

591
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: cameraman in the woods. He's a pretty hunky guy, I

592
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 1: can understand. Well, so so okay, wait, wait, so here's

593
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: what I love to think. There's there's one of two

594
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 1: ways that I see that that became an issue. One,

595
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 1: he is so insecure that a couple of dudes making

596
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: frat jokes and hey, sweet cheeks kind of jokes totally

597
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:03,439
Speaker 1: just dudes being dudes and screwed with either made him

598
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: super uncomfortable or he had been doing what he does

599
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: for a couple of years at that point, and somebody

600
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 1: might have said, wait, that's Alex Jones. That a hole

601
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: is in here, guys, we have to mess with him.

602
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 1: Don't kick him out. We're gonna screw with him and

603
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,439
Speaker 1: then we'll get him out of here. And they went

604
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: after him. That's what I was to make him just

605
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: hate life. Well, here's another thing I didn't see or

606
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: hear any proof. As mentioned, I did not watch all

607
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: of the every single bit of the footage you didn't hear.

608
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 1: I did not know. I really didn't. And so actually

609
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: a lot of me thinks that it's possible that he

610
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 1: just like kind of got scared, like just got nervous, yeah,

611
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: and was like all right, I mean, you know, he

612
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: was just camping. Like when you play a shooter video

613
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: game and you got the one dude who's like camp

614
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: snipering and he's just sitting there and the way that

615
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: he wins the game is because he didn't die. I

616
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: mean that seems to me kind of he just was like, wow, Okay,

617
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:04,959
Speaker 1: we're just gonna go sit in the woods and that'll

618
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 1: be safe, and then we'll do this cremation of care

619
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: thing and then we'll get out of here as fast

620
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 1: as humanly possible and then literally skulking around camp. Yeah,

621
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 1: that seemed to be what was going on. It makes sense.

622
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: You know, you get in there, you minimize the chot

623
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: and the chance to getting caught to your campra camera confiscated,

624
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: and you know, losing your footage and stuff, which is fine,

625
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 1: you know, but overall, so it seems like, correct me

626
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. The whole we're worshiping Satan and burning

627
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: children and barbecuing them for the final dinner. That seems

628
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: to have a lot of that has spawned out since

629
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: these his videos. I actually do think that his video

630
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: is the only the very first point. It's the origin

631
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 1: of that theory. Yes, there, I mean again, there have

632
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: been people who have said, um, well, in the eighties

633
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: there were people who were saying that they were doing

634
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: stuff and we needed to watch them. But it was

635
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 1: because they were powerful and political and apparently planning the

636
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: atomic box. But some of those people also were so

637
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,760
Speaker 1: fanatical I could see where they might be starting circulating

638
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 1: some more lurid rumors too well. And they had been,

639
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: they had admitted that they were in the eighties. I

640
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,399
Speaker 1: cannot remember the name of the lady who had the

641
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 1: Watchdog group. Yeah, and she was. She seemed to allude

642
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: to that they were they were pulling up stuff and

643
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: more of and more of it seemed to be that

644
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: they were smoking what they were growing. And maybe it

645
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: wasn't all founded in reality. Yeah, man is after a man. Yeah. Also,

646
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: there's this chatter just to get back sorry, there's this

647
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,919
Speaker 1: chatter of the of the creation of care or care

648
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: being a child sacrifice and the reason for this is

649
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:03,760
Speaker 1: there are basically like programs handed out at the beginning

650
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: of UM the cremation of care, and also programs for

651
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: the entire weekend. I mean, it's there's a lot of programming.

652
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: You gotta, you know, decide what you want to go

653
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: to an organizational totally. But they do hand out a

654
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 1: program at the creation of care, so everybody knows, you know,

655
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: what's going on all along, and they have different images

656
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 1: on them every year. But one year they had a

657
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 1: little drawing of a skeleton burning and I honestly, honestly,

658
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: when I first saw this drawing, I didn't even recognize

659
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: it as a as a human skeleton because it's bad.

660
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 1: Um it's well, yeah, Alex Jones says that he had

661
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:52,720
Speaker 1: it examined by doctors and they the drawing to be clear,

662
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: had the drawing examined by doctors, and they said that

663
00:40:56,080 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: the ratio of the head to the body was that

664
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 1: of a child, and that the arms, which I don't

665
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: even recognize as arms, they're like little like lobster claws,

666
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: are are Also they just say that the purport. He

667
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 1: says that they say that the proportions are of a child,

668
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: therefore proving that it's care is actually a child science

669
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: sacrifice or either Or it could be a tree, or

670
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: it could be bad drawing, could be very it's a

671
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,399
Speaker 1: tree on fire, it's in front of a flame, it's

672
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 1: a giant flame, it's treat Or it could be like

673
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: a subtle endorsement of euthanasia. Yeah, yeah, because it's obviously

674
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 1: the form child it's going to be like, you know,

675
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: disposed of. Yeah, so interpretations that, can I just say

676
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: one thing? Yeah? Oh yeah, okay, So I know YouTube

677
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: were worried about us getting sued for slanders. So if

678
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: Alex Jones comes after this, this is this is all

679
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: on me. If this is what he believes, he's an idiot. Well,

680
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: I mean the drawing thing. Here's what I will say drawing,

681
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 1: because I've seen it and it's Here's what I will

682
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 1: say about Alex Jones is that he has made a

683
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: really successful, lucrative career for himself on conspiracy theories and

684
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: this and this was pretty much the first big one

685
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: for him. I mean, like I said, he got popular

686
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: pretty much right after this stuff came out. He founded

687
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: Info Wars not to too much later than that. This

688
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: has continued to be a thing that he talks about

689
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: and points back to the footage from two thousand and um,

690
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: as we're going to talk about in just one moment

691
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: um some additional footage that came out in two thousand five.

692
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: And you know, God love him. I mean honestly, like,

693
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 1: if you can just make a career out of screaming

694
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: into a microphone, like that's what we're doing right now.

695
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: We really have been doing it wrong. We need to screaming.

696
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: We should be screaming more. Yeah, next time, on thinking sideways,

697
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 1: just an hour of screaming. We're just gonna sit in

698
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: the room and scream into the microphone. Pay for it.

699
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: We are next April fools. It'll go over better. Yeah,

700
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: people will not be confused, they want that's true. Well

701
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: they might be actually, but that's true anyway. So this

702
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: is just going to go into our next theory because

703
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: I have no organizational skills whatsoever and just wanted to

704
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: talk about this story. Um. The next theory is that

705
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: actually this is a boy's camp for a bunch of

706
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,399
Speaker 1: dudes who don't really know how to unwind and need

707
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: to keep their own winding a secret. M h. I

708
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: mean yeah, so well, and and so here's here's all

709
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: I will say is that just honestly take a step

710
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 1: back from it and say, if you remove the cremation

711
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: of care, pantomime, opening ceremonies, what do we have nothing

712
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,959
Speaker 1: but you guys hanging out and drinking some some uh

713
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: some singing, playing bagpipe, swimming, hiking, drink, lots of eating. Yeah,

714
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: and and ultimately and we can say, you know, okay,

715
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: maybe some of the lectures are about the feasibility of

716
00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: the atomic bomb. Maybe they are ures, they are, But realistically,

717
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,399
Speaker 1: what does that come down to is powerful men who

718
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 1: are knowledgeable about topics talking about the topics they are

719
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: knowledgeable on, and deal making and talking about like interesting

720
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: things to them. Yes, the deal making thing, I'm I'm

721
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: very happy to say is a problem. I mean, it's

722
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: maybe it is, maybe it is there. I wouldn't call

723
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: that a problem because I'm sorry, but powerful people get

724
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: together where they all can congregate and be with their

725
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 1: like kind. I'm sorry us poor people we get together

726
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: in poor people bars. Rich people they get together in

727
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 1: rich country clubs like there. You you should think with

728
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: the people that are like you and you talk and listen.

729
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: We can make a deal. But our deal is worth

730
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: ten dollars, because we don't have but ten dollars between us.

731
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: When you've got a billion, it's a billion dollar deal.

732
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: And that's the thing about this that I find lessons sinister,

733
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:02,240
Speaker 1: is that is that, Yeah, these are people like especially

734
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: like heads of state and you know, heads of big

735
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: corporations and stuff, who have to every other day of

736
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 1: the year watch their selves themselves really super closely because

737
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: everything followed by the press, especially if you're a politician,

738
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: everywhere you go. This is one place where you can

739
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: go and no reporters allowed, and nobody talks about you know,

740
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: you got drunk and got naked and put a lamp

741
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: shade over your head. Nobody talks about that. So you

742
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: can totally make a fool of yourself and a good time.

743
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 1: I what these guys would like that. That's how I

744
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 1: feel as well. And then so let's add back in

745
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,959
Speaker 1: the whole cremation of care thing, and let's talk about

746
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: that for a second. Some additional footage was released in

747
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: two thousand five, as I mentioned, just a couple of

748
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: minutes ago, and from somebody who was reporting to be

749
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 1: an employee of the grove. Most of it was equally

750
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: mundane as the Alex Jones footage. But one thing that

751
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 1: was cool is the person was able to gain access

752
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 1: to see the effigies that were used in this cremation

753
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: ceremony pre using this pre use in the ceremony. Yeah,

754
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: and actually I thought that was really interesting and it

755
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: was actually confirmed. There are four different effigies. One is

756
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: just in a horse drawn carriage, like an old tiny

757
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: hearse with the horse drawn carriage hearse kind of thing.

758
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: One is used on the boat. One is kept behind

759
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: some curtains for the people running the ceremony, which is

760
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: admittedly odd. I don't really know why. I think it's

761
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: a backup too, but I will also the very least

762
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: I want to say, Okay, it is a little weird.

763
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: If the Bernie one doesn't catch on fire, you can

764
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 1: grab the backup one and literally fling it off the stage.

765
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: And yeah, look yeah, I mean again, I'm willing to

766
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: at least seed to the really hardcore conspiracy theorists out

767
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: there that one could be odd. Probably not, but about

768
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: the backups. But the other possibility is that if it's members,

769
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: we have to put this thing on, then they have

770
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: to have their own ceremony afterwards. What they can they

771
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: can stay their cares because obviously during the ceremony they

772
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,959
Speaker 1: be all serious and focused. Well I don't know, maybe

773
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 1: they have a second maybe that's true. Yeah, And then

774
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: the final one is the one they set on fire,

775
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: and you can actually see the fire one in the video.

776
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: It is that that rebar literally stick figure pretty much

777
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 1: that is got to basically like Paul like like a

778
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: pall bearer, like on a casket kind of things, um

779
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:34,280
Speaker 1: welded to either side of it. And it is adult size,

780
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,919
Speaker 1: so not not a baby, not a child. Actually don't

781
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: like a pretty large adult actually size, So that seems

782
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: to debunk the child part at least. You know what,

783
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: I just realized I really shouldn't have been so concerned

784
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: about these guys lighting a fireworks. You know why, because

785
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: the entire area it's a god yeah. No, it's also

786
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: on a lake, I mean, and they bring in actual

787
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,280
Speaker 1: pyrotechnic text and all of that stuff. They might actually

788
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: get at the fire hoses and wet the trees down.

789
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: Plus actually was a joke, okay, but also redwoods are

790
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 1: actually kind of fire resistant. No, I just mean the

791
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: ground just covered. But that's okay. The other thing I

792
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: just want to mention. Again, you may or may not

793
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: have noticed that. I keep calling it the cremation of care,

794
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: because that's what it's called. It's called the cremation of ca.

795
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 1: You're cremating, do you know what? You cremate a dead body.

796
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 1: You don't kill somebody with cremation, that's not how it works.

797
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,760
Speaker 1: Then then it's incineration or a moment in relation, sorry,

798
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: burning somebody. I mean, yeah, it's the cremation, because they

799
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 1: have as they've walked in. It's my understanding at least,

800
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,760
Speaker 1: And there have been accounts of people who are members

801
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: who have said this about this actual seramy, and they say, yeah,

802
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: you come in, you know, it's a it's at the

803
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: evening of that first night. So you come in and

804
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 1: you're supposed to have already tried to get rid of

805
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 1: most of your dull cares, you're supposed to kill them,

806
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: most of your worldly worries, and then at this ceremony,

807
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: it's basically just it's like a Christmas pageant almost. You know,

808
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: it's it's the it's the it's the it's the cremation

809
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: of your already dead dull cares. That will and if

810
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: you watch it, you will see there's a bit of

811
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 1: a thing with dull care saying like, you try to

812
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: burn me and they say and they say, yeah, you

813
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 1: you're gonna we know word you know, no, it doesn't

814
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: say that, but they say, yeah, we're burning you now,

815
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: and we know that at the end of this Midsummer's

816
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 1: retreat you will come back. And that's just how the

817
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 1: world works, which again whatever, but it is. It's like

818
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 1: a Christmas pageant, right, I mean, think about how if

819
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: you had zero context for a Christmas pageant and you

820
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 1: just saw it, how weird and kind of creepy it

821
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,280
Speaker 1: could seem. Just think about that, right, That's just something

822
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: that I just keep thinking about with me. But you know,

823
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 1: I was going to say though that you know, having

824
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,240
Speaker 1: seen having seen this it, it actually is no creepier,

825
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 1: maybe less creepyer than just the big burning of the

826
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: man at Burning Man, Yeah, which is equally you know,

827
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: if you if you were looking at that as an outsider,

828
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,760
Speaker 1: and believe me, it's a huge ceremony and it's big,

829
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: and then this huge thing gets burned and the whole

830
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 1: thing and you know, in a certain sense it is

831
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: kind of just like what's the word for it, like,

832
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 1: you know, it's like being on another planet and there's

833
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: this weird, scary, really and thing going on in front

834
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: of you. There's uh, there's one of the videos that

835
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,760
Speaker 1: I posted for you guys is a guy from Ireland

836
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: talking about a festival that they do in his town

837
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: where they have an actual stuff dummy that they burn.

838
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 1: It's supposed to be actually like burning a man in

839
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: effigy here every year, and that, I mean that is

840
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: explicitly pretending to be burning an actual human. Yeah, this

841
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 1: is not even its Alina. Well, in the verbiage that

842
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 1: these guys use in the what is obviously Pat wrote speech,

843
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: and I think, well, yeah, but well, what I mean,

844
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 1: what I'm getting at though, is that I've you know,

845
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 1: and I was a high school and then early college.

846
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: I was involved in different organizations, and you know, the

847
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 1: owl is very traditional from organizations that are eighteen or

848
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: nineteenth century is forward because it was always the wise figure.

849
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: And the wording that they use is very very similar

850
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 1: to it's yeah, it's it's it's dated for us, and

851
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: they use it, but it becomes wrote and pat and

852
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: so people who don't know what the hell it is,

853
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: that's weird. You talk like that in the late eighteen

854
00:51:56,239 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: hundreds who wrote it considered it to be wise and astute.

855
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: And that's the reason I will say that originally when

856
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 1: they were doing the cremation of care, the people who

857
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: were participating in it, it was much smaller. It was

858
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: not people um and the people who were participating were

859
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 1: encouraged to write their own scripts. And then eventually, like

860
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: we said, Walter Cronkite was the voice of it, and

861
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:25,879
Speaker 1: it was, uh, it's just become an actual passion. They

862
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: literally I really think they do. And I you know,

863
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 1: you can't tell from the video, but it sounds like

864
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: to me they literally just priss play on some voice

865
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: acting from the fifties and then just kind of go

866
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 1: through the motions and pretend like they're doing it and

867
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: then that's it. Yeah, that's all of this to say,

868
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: somebody holps George hw didn't put the magnet next to

869
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 1: the actual cassette because that was a dub buckle. Yeah,

870
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 1: that's why actor George Jr. Was terrible in that role.

871
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:59,280
Speaker 1: That's why. Yeah, that's why Walter Cronkite doesn't do it anymore.

872
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 1: Have to tell you it's the tape nips and you know,

873
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: all this to say this, This doesn't necessarily mean that, Like,

874
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 1: I don't believe in conspiracies. I don't believe that. You know,

875
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,359
Speaker 1: sometimes a lot of high powered people come together and

876
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: maybe do say like well, you know, Nixon, you run

877
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 1: this year in Reagan, and that's that's that is some

878
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 1: kind of organizing and conspiring for the world. But it

879
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 1: happens everywhere. You can't stop people from doing that. And

880
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: I also think this, like Joe was saying, is like

881
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: the kind of lives that these people lead well in

882
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: the time, but it's the only time that you that

883
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 1: they have to actually unwind because the rest of their

884
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 1: lives are literally under scrutiny all the time. And that's

885
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 1: just all it seems like to me, is that it's

886
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,280
Speaker 1: just like a bunch of frat boys who never really

887
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 1: grew out of that but suddenly have to try to

888
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: do better in public society. And yeah, that could be that,

889
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 1: or it could be much deeper and more sinister, you know, Yeah,

890
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 1: those are the two for example. Well enough, for example,

891
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: it's even more sinister me like, for example, that articles

892
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: inspired that was from my teenage written by a guy

893
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:12,320
Speaker 1: named Philip Weiss who winfiltrated the camp over and over again.

894
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 1: And yeah, and he reported seeing a lot of a

895
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,959
Speaker 1: lot of public irrination, a lot of drunkenness, had conversations

896
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 1: with many many people, including that I had a short

897
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,879
Speaker 1: brief conversation with Ronald Reagan himself. And it may well

898
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 1: be that they were up to some serious business there.

899
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 1: But what they did is like they tagged him right away.

900
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: They surrounded him with a clot of drunken Republicans who

901
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: went with him and surrounded him everywhere he did. Actually,

902
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: there was there was part of me that was kind

903
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 1: of like, well, it does seem a little suspicious, Alex,

904
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 1: that you were allowed to go in with this tape

905
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: and get it out and publish it and have continued

906
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 1: to be allowed to publish it. I mean, it's all

907
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 1: over and you know, if this, if this whole New

908
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 1: World Order blah blah blah blah blah, either they're like

909
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 1: totally allowing him to do this because everyone's like, well

910
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:10,399
Speaker 1: he's crazy, or it's spreading false propaganda because if if

911
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:12,839
Speaker 1: it's this, if it really is this New World Order thing,

912
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 1: don't you think they could have had YouTube take that

913
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 1: video down. The best way to spread misinformation is to

914
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 1: have your enemy spread it is true. Yeah, totally. And

915
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 1: so yeah, no I love that idea that that that's

916
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: what's going on. I really don't think it. And by

917
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 1: the way, just as a clarification so that we don't

918
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:35,800
Speaker 1: get any angry emails when we say frat boys drinking

919
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 1: and we're talking about these high powered people stereotype, this

920
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 1: is the stereotype. We're not saying that your frat delta

921
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: delta delta, which I, by the way, don't freak out.

922
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 1: I know it's not a frat that's a story. It's

923
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 1: a joke, but it's just we're playing the stereotype. So

924
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:56,280
Speaker 1: calm down, boys. Yeah, but let's beer down. But Marguerite

925
00:55:56,360 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 1: is down, your apple teena is okay, let's continue on. Yeah,

926
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 1: I don't have anywhere to continue just because I need

927
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 1: has something. Yeah, no, I'll just say that, you know,

928
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: this stuff has been around with us is kind of

929
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 1: behavior for a long time. If you if you buy

930
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 1: in all this series, because it often is the case

931
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 1: in America and other places too, that if the guys

932
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 1: that you don't like win the election and suddenly all

933
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 1: the paranoia starts, it sets in big and if you

934
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 1: buy it and if you you know, and at the

935
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: end of the world it's Hitley, you know, it's you know,

936
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 1: I mean, this is just like Nazi Germany. And if

937
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 1: you buy into that, and you buy into this kind

938
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 1: of stuff, you're just a tool. You know. You might

939
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 1: think you're smart and everything else and you're the good

940
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 1: one and they're the evil ones, but really you're just

941
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 1: a tool. I mean, you know that's for somebody else's game. Yeah,

942
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 1: not in the derogatory term of ye public of a

943
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 1: private part, but yeah, that's that's where most of the

944
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 1: stuff is coming from. Yeah, you like, but but you know,

945
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:58,760
Speaker 1: on the other end, I could be wrong and maybe

946
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: there is like a secret on ground complex and all

947
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:03,799
Speaker 1: sorts of stuff going on, because those those trees are

948
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 1: actually not live anymore. They've been hollowed out, short up.

949
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 1: You paint them all year long. It's why they don't

950
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 1: log them. And they're actually ground complex. The buttons to

951
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 1: operate it are in that stone owl. Yeah, probably that's true. Yeah, well, okay,

952
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 1: do you guys have anything more to add to that?

953
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: The lake opens up and that's where the health conters

954
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: coming out. Yeah, I just want to say I do

955
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: want to go there and check it out. I wish

956
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 1: they would invite me. I mean, I mean, we're pretty

957
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 1: freaking high powered here. Yeah. So hey, if you are

958
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 1: a member of the Bohemian Grove and you want to

959
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 1: take I guess these guys not me because I'm a lady.

960
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 1: The security is not all that tight. I I get

961
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: your eyeliner. We can paint a mustache on your curly

962
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: one to boot being multiple round curls perfect. I'll let you. Okay,

963
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 1: tuck your hair up under your cap. Nobody will. She's

964
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: like Brad Pitt, she's an she's man growing hair out

965
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 1: that with a man bun and everything. Yeah see that will.

966
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: I'm sure that all of the really old, rich, right

967
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 1: Republican Christian men are going to be like, yeah, that's

968
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 1: one of ours. That guy thinks in it's true. Yeah. Anyway, um,

969
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 1: all of I guess. All of this having been said,

970
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 1: it's time for us to give you some additional information.

971
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 1: Like I said, we will post a video like our

972
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 1: choice video of the cremation of care ceremony, so you

973
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 1: can see it, as well as some other research links

974
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 1: on our website. That website is Thinking Sideways podcast dot com.

975
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: You can also find links to merch old episodes. I

976
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: don't really know what else. I'm sorry. You just go

977
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 1: there and find out for yourself. It'll be a mystery

978
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 1: for you. Yeah. Um, you can connect with us on

979
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 1: social media about this case or any other or just

980
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 1: to like talk to us because you like us. We

981
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 1: are on Twitter where we're Thinking Sideways. We are on Facebook.

982
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: We've got a page and a group. Like the page,

983
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 1: join the group, answer the questions. The answers are yes

984
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 1: and Thursday. You can find us on Reddit. We have

985
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 1: our own subreddit that is thinking Sideways. You can also

986
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 1: find us on Instagram, where I guess we're posting some things.

987
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 1: I don't really, I don't know. It's Thinking Sideways a

988
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 1: podcast on Instagram. You know where you're streaming us? You

989
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 1: can be you know, the website. Maybe could be iTunes

990
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 1: probably iTunes, could be Stitcher premium. Could that's the right one, Um,

991
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: could be who knows what. But if you are streaming

992
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:41,959
Speaker 1: from one of those places and you have not yet

993
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 1: taken the time to give us a review and a rating,

994
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 1: please do so. That's how other people find us. And

995
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 1: really you should be on Stitcher Premium because you get

996
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:54,440
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997
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998
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:00,400
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999
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1000
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 1: last but not least, if you want to send us

1001
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 1: an email, you can do that. We have an email address.

1002
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 1: It is Thinking Sideways podcast at gmail dot com. Uh. Yeah,

1003
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 1: I think we're just gonna go ahead and get out

1004
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: of here and hopefully not being murdered by the New

1005
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 1: World Order on my way home. Too late for that. Yeah,

1006
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 1: I'm going to water a tree by Smoky. Alright. Well,

1007
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 1: when I say bye, I mean bye forever everybody. Bye, guys,