WEBVTT - Cannibal Lecture with Dru Hammer 0:00:01.960 --> 0:00:05.400 Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heeart Radio podcast. 0:00:06.680 --> 0:00:08.479 Is it me or is it freezing in here? 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:08.879 Freezing? 0:00:09.000 --> 0:00:11.479 So walked in here and I was like, whoa, I 0:00:11.520 --> 0:00:14.000 wore this shirt because it's you. And then I was like, 0:00:14.000 --> 0:00:15.440 oh man, it's always so hot in here. And then 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:15.880 I walked down. 0:00:15.880 --> 0:00:21.320 I was like, it's freezing. So that your house is 0:00:21.360 --> 0:00:23.919 never like this. No, I don't understand what my house 0:00:23.960 --> 0:00:24.440 messing with. 0:00:24.400 --> 0:00:27.720 My someone someone's. 0:00:26.800 --> 0:00:27.440 Touching my dials. 0:00:27.480 --> 0:00:31.600 Hi guys, Hi, Hey, I had one of those moments 0:00:31.640 --> 0:00:34.760 today where I got into the car. So my sweet 0:00:34.840 --> 0:00:40.839 little builder, his son is like dreams of being a director. 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:43.959 And so my really good director friend is in town 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:47.720 right now filming a movie. And so when we bought 0:00:47.720 --> 0:00:50.160 the house or whatever, the builder guy was like listen, 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:52.760 he's like because at the very end and everyone gives 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:55.240 like the builder a gift or something, and so I 0:00:55.320 --> 0:00:59.040 was I didn't know that. I mean usually click what 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:01.680 it is house, but that's yeah, well we did the 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:04.000 last one, like we gave them like some like liquor 0:01:04.000 --> 0:01:07.360 bottle or whatever. And so I was like, hey, you 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:08.800 know what do you you know? What are you and 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:11.440 your wife like? And you know and he's like, I 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:13.920 don't want anything. I just want one favor. Like my 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:16.520 son wants to be a director, and it's like his 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:18.920 whole life's passion. He sent me like this thing. He 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:21.920 didn't because he's in high school. He's a cute little junior, 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:25.759 and he's like he wants to, you know, direct, and 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:28.600 he just wants to see what it's like on like 0:01:28.720 --> 0:01:30.520 the real deal. So he's like, if you could ever 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:34.440 make that work, like would owe you forever. And so 0:01:35.880 --> 0:01:38.480 first I was going to have him come to West Virginia, 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:39.959 but I'm like it's just too heavy of a set, 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:42.760 Like I can't be like managing like you know, people 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:46.959 on set when I'm like getting like choked and stuff 0:01:47.000 --> 0:01:49.720 like that. It's a very emotional movie. Like I just 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:52.280 like I can't like do that. So I knew that 0:01:52.320 --> 0:01:53.960 my buddy Brian, who have done a few movies with 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:57.240 he's in He's been filming a movie here with Alexa Penevega, 0:01:57.280 --> 0:01:59.880 who I love so much. She's just an absolute doll 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:02.240 and so sad she just had a still birth, Like 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:05.080 it's just heartbreaking, I know, but she's her and her 0:02:05.120 --> 0:02:07.760 husband are acting in this movie together and it's just precious. 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:13.239 So anyways, so I'm like perfect, but Brian, not being 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:15.240 from Nashville, He's like, yeah, we're filming in Franklin. It 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:19.320 was all the way in where like old producer lived. 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:22.320 So I'm like forty five minutes later. But when I'm 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:23.680 in the car, it was one of those where I 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:25.200 was like, I forgot to wear deodorant. 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:27.760 I was like, no sweating in the car. 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:30.320 And I'm like, oh, I know, that's just the most 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:32.600 random moment ever. But anyways, but it was really cute 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:34.120 and he's like on set and I was like, anyways, 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:36.040 I have to podcast. Like I was like, so I 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:37.840 literally just dropped this little, sweet. 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:38.760 Little shoe I did. 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:40.560 I was like, and then I'm like high stacy, hi guys. 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:42.480 Because the people that I've worked with before, like on 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:45.480 set or whatever. And so I'm like, okay, here's here. 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:48.840 He is like, here's a hot set. This is the world, Brian, 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:51.200 this is you know, Like he's just okay now and 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:53.840 go action, Like I gotta go, Hi, Alexa take your 0:02:53.840 --> 0:02:56.160 build her son to work day? Yeah okay, And like 0:02:56.200 --> 0:02:57.840 he's like are you coming back? And I'm like it's 0:02:58.040 --> 0:02:59.360 forty minutes. 0:02:59.480 --> 0:03:01.840 Do you ever ride home. Well, no, he drove like 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:03.679 he followed me there. So I picked him up in 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:06.200 the model down the street. He followed me. My kids 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:08.960 stuck it in his Mercedes, and I'm like, my. 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:12.560 Lord, I'm like, oh. 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:13.480 I had to buy my car. Yeah. 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:20.800 It was like so cute anyways, but yeah, so that 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:22.800 was that and then I like that's why I was 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:24.200 late there. 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:26.160 But now I'm still stinky. 0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:29.600 So if I stay, well, my bag's still somewhere overseas US. 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:31.560 I can't believe that, is it? 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:31.760 Ever? 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:33.880 Does that mean you haven't gotten theodor? 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:34.560 You know? 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:36.040 So I bought, like I bought like one of those 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:38.280 like cheap o' ones from the walmart, like those travel 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:39.920 ones or whatever, and usually I have one in my purse. 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:41.680 I've got one here I got there and like I 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:43.440 just got like the one random and like so I 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:46.720 just forget to like put it on. I've got no makeup, 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:51.400 but I've got like this like little like underre stuff. 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:53.280 Do you so you never get it back? 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:56.760 We don't know Alan Alan's back came, but mine. They're 0:03:56.800 --> 0:03:57.640 like we don't. 0:03:57.400 --> 0:04:00.000 Know, wait, is it just one of yours or like several? 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:02.800 So because there was a lot of suitcases, my only. 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:05.800 Real big bag, so like my my the other ones 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:08.240 we came with, but like the one that has my 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:11.160 makeup in my like all my clothes, all my toilet trees, 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:14.600 all my like everything, my diamond earrings in there, My 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:18.200 Jimmy Choo's like like. 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:17.880 Great jewelry here. 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:21.680 Yeah, it's They're like, we don't know because. 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:27.800 Somebody at the airline is like, and check me out. 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:29.279 I only have one pair. 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:32.320 I know everything else is Amazon, but I'm like, all 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:34.719 my nice stuff wasn't that bad? Well, now we know 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:37.400 about eggs and baskets. We don't do that ever again. No, 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:39.520 so it was like I have like one pair of 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:42.919 diamond earrings. They were in there. It's like I know 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:45.760 your homegirls an Amazon girl, but all good stuff was 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:48.080 in there. I know, it's all put in the stuff 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:49.919 it goes, not the Jimmy Choo's. 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:51.559 That's what I'm saying. 0:04:51.600 --> 0:04:55.800 It's like I it's and it has like my altheine 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:57.479 in there has all my like I had to reorder 0:04:57.520 --> 0:05:00.000 all my supplements, which you know is not. 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:03.200 The easy feet. It's not cheap. It ain't cheap. 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:04.719 I know. That's when you were saying, like to the 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:06.760 blooming thing, I was like, well, my blooming things in there. 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:08.560 So I was like, you know, like it was just 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:10.520 the charger thing. I had to go get a different charger. 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:14.400 Like no, so do you do they know what's in 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:17.800 it before it's replaced, because I'm going that's a pretty 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:21.360 great suitcase to accidentally lose if you're a dishonest person. 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:23.680 Yeah, I should never do that. 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:27.760 No, I couldn't like them. We're saying someone could have 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:29.320 like if they opened it up. 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:32.000 Oh, but how does they have any work? 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:33.680 Like when you lose a bag, like would I get 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:35.320 like do I defile insurance claim? 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:36.840 Like how does that? How does that work? I think 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:38.039 you have to do? I just use it? 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:40.279 And then like I think you have a list out item, 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:42.880 like there's a rolex in there. 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:45.960 Well, you got plenty of things. 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:51.159 I was like, hmm, share ways, there's got to be 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:53.919 like a there's something like or no, there has to 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:55.640 be like a limit to though, Like I'm sure they 0:05:55.680 --> 0:05:56.680 wouldn't be like yeah, here's. 0:05:57.240 --> 0:05:59.800 That's why you have like homeowners insurance and stuff or 0:05:59.839 --> 0:06:02.479 like you know, insurance to cover those things or the 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:06.720 shoes on the policy, but the policy your diamonds and 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:07.880 like all that stuff, right, well. 0:06:07.720 --> 0:06:10.240 Depending what I don't. Ever, I don't put those on 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:12.840 the policy. No, we know we put them on the policy. 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:14.120 You put your shoes on a policy. 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:17.679 Well, I don't have Jimmy shoes. I owned James diamonds. 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:22.159 I do James Jimmy Yeah if I own them, sure, yeah. 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:23.560 I don't own them, don't own them, But I do 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:26.880 all the diamonds, one pair, all the diamonds. 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:30.640 A few shoes though that I would definitely put on there. 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:33.000 Like what I have, Like, okay, I have one pair 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:35.480 of Curshial Lutons that are ten years old now. 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:37.679 They're vintage definitely, but they don't even. 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:39.760 Say they're just sitting there because they're only my only red. 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:41.840 But like like what else everything else? I don't have 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:44.960 one new pair of a Sam Edelman one hundred dollars sneaker, 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:45.599 Like I don't. 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:47.280 Have any of some sneakers that are not that are 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:48.720 my ten. 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:52.440 Year old geese years old seven. 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:55.480 But still but they're still were expensive. 0:06:55.040 --> 0:06:59.360 And we're like fifty dollars now they're not I've looked 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:00.279 them up or not. 0:07:01.920 --> 0:07:06.119 Listen, I'm just saying, like, really, really have that really 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:07.880 diamonds for sure? 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:13.720 Yeah? Well, ilading in the ocean. I think you're going 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:16.000 to get it back. It's fine. I think you're going 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:18.720 to get a backstressing about it. Yeah, let's say, yeah, 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:21.000 weren't broken makeup in my supplements back then? 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:25.600 Jimmy choos, whoever has my bag, I just feel just 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:26.960 shipped me my supplements. 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:31.000 I would like my my my face stuff back because 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:32.120 that stuff's expensive. 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:35.040 Frames are like two hundred dollars. 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:34.880 So. 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:39.280 Mine is definitely not. Yeah, you definitely need that has. 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:43.000 Retinal in it. Yeah, but they don't all cost him. 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:46.120 But it doesn't matter at all. Adds up fast. I mean, shoot, 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:47.520 my cheap stuff adds up fast. 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:48.040 Correct. 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:48.440 Yeah. 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:50.520 So anyways, that's that's why I stink. That's why I'm late. 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:51.160 So I'm freezing. 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:53.840 I feel like you tho. 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:56.720 I know, God, Catherine, No, you don't stink, But I 0:07:56.720 --> 0:07:59.760 feel like you might have to buy a razor, might 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:01.680 have to think that the bag's not coming back and 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:02.800 get a few of those things. 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:05.400 Guys. I have a new Birkenstocks in there that I 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:05.840 just got. 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:10.200 We can not worried about there, worried about the Birkenstocksky, 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:12.000 Welcome to my life, though, when like I don't care 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:14.600 about the real designer druff. That's it's all the stuff 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:18.240 you use most often. Absolutely what I do have a 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:20.440 my love with han person there. Oh my god, this 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:24.440 bag just keeps getting more. It's a jackpot if you're 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:29.000 a dishonest jackpot jackpot. I would like to know if 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:32.160 you see the Jana Kramer Dalless actress tag on the bag, 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:37.199 that's what. Anyways, you're going to get it back. Guys, 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:40.600 we have a very exciting guest today. Armie Hammer's mom 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:45.240 is coming on and to refresh your memory, we did 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:47.120 we had was it his aunt? 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:49.600 His aunt? Yes, comely had. 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:53.400 Because she they did the documentary. 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:54.760 She did the documentary. 0:08:56.320 --> 0:08:59.040 So we're going to get her on because she has 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:03.040 a book called hand I like the little plan. 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:05.680 Well done. 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:08.760 Interested to Hammer, but let's get her on and see 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:09.960 what she has to say. 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:24.840 Hi, Hi, how are you? 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:27.360 I'm great? Thank you for having me. 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:31.040 Of course, thank you for coming on. I yeah, we 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:32.760 got you know, we got the word that you were 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:36.600 coming on. We have been hearing all about your your 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:40.360 book which is available now called Hammered. And I recently 0:09:40.440 --> 0:09:43.560 saw something in the news too, because you know, I 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:46.320 was doing a little research and uh, there was an 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:49.199 article that came up about how you were you had 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:54.680 to forgive Army's ex wife. I mean, there's just there's 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:56.480 just a lot of a lot of questions. I don't 0:09:56.480 --> 0:10:00.440 even know where exactly to start, but I guess the 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:04.000 first one is, there's a lot, there's a lot unpacked. 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:07.160 Did you watch the documentary, I guess is my first question. 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:12.640 My answer to that would be I watched a little 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:17.000 bit of the documentary, but there were so many untruths 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:20.920 in it. And the person who made the documentary is 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:25.800 Army's aunt, who hadn't seen since he was seven, so 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:29.040 she didn't even really know our family. So it was 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:32.080 really hard for me to watch. And look, I say 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:36.400 everywhere I go, Army was criminally wrong. He was no 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:39.240 excuse me, he was not boy that was a fauxbot. 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:42.560 He was not criminally criminally wrong. 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:43.959 He was morally wrong. 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:48.640 So you know, a lot happened that a mother has 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:52.360 no control over. But what I will say is Army 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:55.880 is in such a good place now. He went to rehab. 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:59.080 He actually got sober four months before he went to 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:02.760 rehab and has been sober for almost four years, and 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:07.360 he is an incredible father to his children. He picks 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:09.839 them up whenever he's in you know, every time he's 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:12.720 in town, he picks them up. Every single morning, he 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:15.360 picks them up from school. He spends the whole day 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:18.840 with them, he's there on the weekend. It's really changed 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:21.440 his life. And sometimes you have to lose everything to 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:23.320 realize what's really important in life. 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:26.240 M you know, I feel like that's got to be 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:29.000 hard as as a mom, because, like you said, like 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:32.480 he's not criminally you know, you said, he's not criminally wrong, 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:34.920 it's just morally wrong. And I think it's you know, 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:38.080 I remember my ex husband had multiple affairs on me 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:41.280 and you know his you know, I'd have conversations with 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:44.000 his mom and it's like they're not proud of his 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:47.520 son's actions, but they're their mom like they're still going 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:50.280 to love their son. And I think that's you know, 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:54.960 when I would get that frustration. It's like, no matter what, 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:56.920 now that you know, I have kids too, it's like 0:11:57.400 --> 0:12:00.600 our kids might misstep and do things that are wrong, 0:12:00.640 --> 0:12:02.840 but no matter what, we'll always love them. And so 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:05.560 we can we can be disappointed in them, and we 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:09.240 could be we cannot understand it, but we will always 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:11.800 love them. And I think that's the piece where you know, 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:17.360 that's the mother's love, that is the unbreakable peace and 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:17.800 all that. 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:21.360 You know one hundred percent, And I will say this. 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:24.160 You know he was in a very dark time in 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:29.680 his life. There was alcohol, there were drugs. You know, 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:32.960 there's no excuse. And I love my daughter in Loot 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:35.559 and I get to be a part of my grandkid's life. 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:37.960 So it really has ended up, believe it or not. 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:41.840 You don't grow in good times. You grow in tough times. 0:12:42.360 --> 0:12:45.880 And I think everybody grew and we've all come full circle. 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:48.960 You have to be very patient because God's timing is 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:52.559 not our timing. And I prayed for twenty three years 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:56.240 because I raised both my sons in a Christian home. 0:12:56.440 --> 0:13:00.000 No home is perfect, but we did teach him about 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:03.120 the love of God. And you just have to pray 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:06.959 and know that God is steadfast and he answers prayers. 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:10.520 It just may not happen in your time frame, right. 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:14.400 We know a lot about that on this couch over here. Yes, 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:17.400 I do have a question too, and this is mostly 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:20.280 because you know, I think everyone on this side of 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:25.360 the podcasts has little boys, and it's a different in 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:28.560 my experience. You know, raising girls so far from me, 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:32.400 and they're all young, but it's very intuitive feeling because 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:35.600 I am a woman, so that feels like pretty and right. 0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:37.560 And I'm learning. 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:42.000 Very quickly that out of the gate boys in our 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:43.720 home are just so different. 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:48.440 So in Army's younger years, was there ever any indication? 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:51.400 Is there if you can go back in your most honest, 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:55.600 objective brain, do you recognize times now, knowing what you 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:59.040 know about him, that you saw certain things in his character? 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:01.960 Or wait, is he played or things he said? Or 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:04.400 as he got older? Was there ever this like red 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:07.640 flag moment that maybe you coded with the mother grace 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:09.800 because we all are just their biggest fans no matter what. 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:13.360 But now looking back, do you go, I see a 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:15.920 lot of where this could have started or how this started? 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:17.840 Has that ever been? Oh? 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:21.280 I know exactly, Yes, I know exactly when it started, 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:23.960 and I would not talk about it if Army had 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:24.880 not talked about it. 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:25.320 But I know. 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:29.360 On here's Morgan and you know several things he's done 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:32.560 recently in an article in Airmail where he talks about 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:36.520 what happened to him at fourteen, he was molested by 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:40.920 his youth pastor and when it happens in a church, 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:43.880 a child can tend to blame God, like why did 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:47.160 you let this happen to me? But I really pray 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:51.760 that I have a platform in this area, because you know, 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:57.240 children at that age, they're young, they blame themselves, they 0:14:57.280 --> 0:15:00.960 have shame, thinking it's their fault. And he told us 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:03.640 that he was not comfortable to go anymore to the 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:08.320 youth group. But he said, nothing really happened, It's just 0:15:08.480 --> 0:15:13.360 he was inappropriate because again he was ashamed. So unfortunately, 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:17.560 we took that at face value, because of course you 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:21.640 always want to trust your son, but also these predators, 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:26.000 if you will, they groomed themselves, they groom you, They 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:30.160 groomed the child. He would travel with us, he would 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:33.360 come to our house for dinner. He was, you know, 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:35.960 one of our best friends, we thought, and he was 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:38.520 doing such an amazing thing with the youth group at 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:42.200 our church. So we took that at face value. 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:43.240 So I was not. 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:47.720 As proactive getting Army the help he needed to deal 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:50.040 with that. And he said to me later in life, 0:15:50.040 --> 0:15:52.920 he goes, but mom, even if I said nothing happened, 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:56.080 If a youth pastor even attempts something like that, it 0:15:56.200 --> 0:15:59.000 messes a child up. I said, you're absolutely right, and 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:02.440 I was totally miss from seeing that. And we found 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:05.560 out later that he had done that with several of 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:07.960 the other of the young boys in the group, and 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:10.560 we had him kicked out of the country. But Army goes, mom, 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:14.160 I was the whistleblower. You know, nothing happened, So I 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:17.440 think that was the downfall. Is an excuse for his 0:16:17.560 --> 0:16:22.320 behavior years later? Absolutely not. I'm not making excuses. But 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:27.160 what I am saying is that God has truly brought 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:30.320 this full circle. And I said, Army, I really believe 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:33.560 that you could have a platform to help other people 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:36.280 who have been through this, because it's the most devastating 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:37.960 thing in the world when this happens. 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:40.920 And up until fourteen, you never it wasn't like you 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:43.080 don't know, I guess what I'm asking mostly like, is 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:45.280 that like a chemical thing from birth? You're like, huh, 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:47.280 you know, like there are kids at young ages trying 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:49.960 to hurt animals or do things like that. But up 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:53.400 until fourteen, okay, yeah, I always wonder. 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:55.280 No, I didn't see any of that. 0:16:55.880 --> 0:16:59.600 I just noticed that he started questioning God, questioning the 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:02.640 Bible from that point on, so I just knew that 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:05.480 you know, something was going on. 0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:06.440 And I didn't. 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:10.760 I didn't understand what was fully his devastation because he 0:17:10.920 --> 0:17:14.159 wasn't totally open about it rightfully. So I understand that 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:18.080 too now. So no, I didn't see anything like that, 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:21.199 but we didn't deal with it like we should have. 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:24.680 Well, everything right is hindsight too, like you wish, like, Oh, 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:26.359 there's so many things that I wish I would have 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:27.800 dealt with when I was younger. 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:30.439 You know, you see things like but you know, and 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:30.840 we're in a. 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:33.320 Different world now, Like we're in a very I feel 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:35.639 like and not this is no excuse, but just truth. 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:37.600 Like we're in a very open world. We talk about 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:40.640 mental health and things like this so much more openly 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:44.800 and with more understanding and with more awareness because we've 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:48.480 learned so much over the years. Yeah, And I've followed 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:50.679 along with Army. I did a movie with him years 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:53.240 and years and years ago. Oh you're cute, Yeah he 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:56.240 was lovely, and yeah, I mean it was so many 0:17:56.320 --> 0:17:58.879 years ago, and so I've kind of always followed along. 0:17:58.920 --> 0:18:02.280 And obviously he built and an incredible career for himself. 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:05.000 And so when I saw that he was back on 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:08.080 Pierce's show, I did watch most of the interview, and 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:11.720 you know, he brought up and Pierce obviously brought up 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:14.520 the cannibalism stuff. Was that really hard for you to 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:18.920 let that label on your son be out there in 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:20.439 the media. 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:23.720 Well, I mean, you know, the saying being mothers, you 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:27.919 understand this is a mother is as happy as her 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:31.680 least happy child. And you know, it's one thing when 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:34.760 you deal with things in your family, but when it's 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:37.840 all over the world, it was kind of the perfect 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:40.920 how should I say this, It was like the perfect storm. 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:44.680 It was cancel culture. It was the me too movement, 0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:47.119 and there is a place for me too movement, of 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:50.800 course there is, and I support that, but it's also 0:18:50.920 --> 0:18:55.760 been taken so far that these women can accuse men 0:18:55.800 --> 0:18:59.880 of things that never happened, Like the rape accusation has 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:04.360 been dropped. You know, the very young woman who accused 0:19:04.440 --> 0:19:09.160 him of this, she stopped him after that and sent 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:12.399 him tons of texts and would show up on movie sets. 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:15.840 So that's not really a rape victim, if you will. 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:20.560 And you know, we even Army has emails of her saying, yes, 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:23.960 it was consensual type of deal. But she got caught 0:19:24.040 --> 0:19:26.520 up in the cancel culture. And the whole thing. And 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:30.080 then it became the perfect storm because Army was everyone 0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:33.320 was stuck in their homes and locked in their apartments 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:36.560