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Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heeart Radio podcast.

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Speaker 2: Is it me or is it freezing in here?

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Speaker 3: Freezing?

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Speaker 1: So walked in here and I was like, whoa, I

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Speaker 1: wore this shirt because it's you. And then I was like,

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Speaker 1: oh man, it's always so hot in here. And then

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Speaker 1: I walked down.

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Speaker 4: I was like, it's freezing. So that your house is

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Speaker 4: never like this. No, I don't understand what my house

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Speaker 4: messing with.

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Speaker 1: My someone someone's.

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Speaker 2: Touching my dials.

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Speaker 4: Hi guys, Hi, Hey, I had one of those moments

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Speaker 4: today where I got into the car. So my sweet

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Speaker 4: little builder, his son is like dreams of being a director.

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Speaker 4: And so my really good director friend is in town

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Speaker 4: right now filming a movie. And so when we bought

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Speaker 4: the house or whatever, the builder guy was like listen,

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Speaker 4: he's like because at the very end and everyone gives

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Speaker 4: like the builder a gift or something, and so I

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Speaker 4: was I didn't know that. I mean usually click what

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Speaker 4: it is house, but that's yeah, well we did the

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Speaker 4: last one, like we gave them like some like liquor

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Speaker 4: bottle or whatever. And so I was like, hey, you

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Speaker 4: know what do you you know? What are you and

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Speaker 4: your wife like? And you know and he's like, I

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Speaker 4: don't want anything. I just want one favor. Like my

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Speaker 4: son wants to be a director, and it's like his

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Speaker 4: whole life's passion. He sent me like this thing. He

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Speaker 4: didn't because he's in high school. He's a cute little junior,

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Speaker 4: and he's like he wants to, you know, direct, and

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Speaker 4: he just wants to see what it's like on like

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Speaker 4: the real deal. So he's like, if you could ever

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Speaker 4: make that work, like would owe you forever. And so

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Speaker 4: first I was going to have him come to West Virginia,

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Speaker 4: but I'm like it's just too heavy of a set,

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Speaker 4: Like I can't be like managing like you know, people

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Speaker 4: on set when I'm like getting like choked and stuff

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Speaker 4: like that. It's a very emotional movie. Like I just

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Speaker 4: like I can't like do that. So I knew that

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Speaker 4: my buddy Brian, who have done a few movies with

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Speaker 4: he's in He's been filming a movie here with Alexa Penevega,

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Speaker 4: who I love so much. She's just an absolute doll

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Speaker 4: and so sad she just had a still birth, Like

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Speaker 4: it's just heartbreaking, I know, but she's her and her

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Speaker 4: husband are acting in this movie together and it's just precious.

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Speaker 4: So anyways, so I'm like perfect, but Brian, not being

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Speaker 4: from Nashville, He's like, yeah, we're filming in Franklin. It

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Speaker 4: was all the way in where like old producer lived.

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Speaker 4: So I'm like forty five minutes later. But when I'm

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Speaker 4: in the car, it was one of those where I

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Speaker 4: was like, I forgot to wear deodorant.

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Speaker 2: I was like, no sweating in the car.

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Speaker 4: And I'm like, oh, I know, that's just the most

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Speaker 4: random moment ever. But anyways, but it was really cute

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Speaker 4: and he's like on set and I was like, anyways,

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Speaker 4: I have to podcast. Like I was like, so I

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Speaker 4: literally just dropped this little, sweet.

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Speaker 2: Little shoe I did.

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Speaker 4: I was like, and then I'm like high stacy, hi guys.

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Speaker 4: Because the people that I've worked with before, like on

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Speaker 4: set or whatever. And so I'm like, okay, here's here.

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Speaker 4: He is like, here's a hot set. This is the world, Brian,

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Speaker 4: this is you know, Like he's just okay now and

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Speaker 4: go action, Like I gotta go, Hi, Alexa take your

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Speaker 4: build her son to work day? Yeah okay, And like

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Speaker 4: he's like are you coming back? And I'm like it's

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Speaker 4: forty minutes.

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Speaker 2: Do you ever ride home. Well, no, he drove like

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Speaker 2: he followed me there. So I picked him up in

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Speaker 2: the model down the street. He followed me. My kids

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Speaker 2: stuck it in his Mercedes, and I'm like, my.

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Speaker 3: Lord, I'm like, oh.

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Speaker 2: I had to buy my car. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: It was like so cute anyways, but yeah, so that

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Speaker 4: was that and then I like that's why I was

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Speaker 2: But now I'm still stinky.

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Speaker 4: So if I stay, well, my bag's still somewhere overseas US.

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Speaker 2: I can't believe that, is it?

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Speaker 5: Ever?

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Speaker 2: Does that mean you haven't gotten theodor?

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Speaker 5: You know?

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Speaker 4: So I bought, like I bought like one of those

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Speaker 4: like cheap o' ones from the walmart, like those travel

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Speaker 4: ones or whatever, and usually I have one in my purse.

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Speaker 4: I've got one here I got there and like I

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Speaker 4: just got like the one random and like so I

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Speaker 4: but I've got like this like little like underre stuff.

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Speaker 2: Do you so you never get it back?

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Speaker 4: We don't know Alan Alan's back came, but mine. They're

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Speaker 4: like we don't.

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Speaker 1: Know, wait, is it just one of yours or like several?

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Speaker 1: So because there was a lot of suitcases, my only.

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Speaker 4: Real big bag, so like my my the other ones

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Speaker 4: we came with, but like the one that has my

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Speaker 4: makeup in my like all my clothes, all my toilet trees,

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Speaker 4: all my like everything, my diamond earrings in there, My

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Speaker 4: Jimmy Choo's like like.

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Speaker 2: Great jewelry here.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's They're like, we don't know because.

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Speaker 2: Somebody at the airline is like, and check me out.

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Speaker 2: I only have one pair.

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Speaker 4: I know everything else is Amazon, but I'm like, all

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Speaker 4: my nice stuff wasn't that bad? Well, now we know

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Speaker 4: about eggs and baskets. We don't do that ever again. No,

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Speaker 4: so it was like I have like one pair of

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Speaker 4: diamond earrings. They were in there. It's like I know

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Speaker 4: your homegirls an Amazon girl, but all good stuff was

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Speaker 4: it goes, not the Jimmy Choo's.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: It's like I it's and it has like my altheine

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Speaker 4: in there has all my like I had to reorder

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Speaker 4: all my supplements, which you know is not.

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Speaker 2: The easy feet. It's not cheap. It ain't cheap.

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Speaker 4: I know. That's when you were saying, like to the

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Speaker 4: blooming thing, I was like, well, my blooming things in there.

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Speaker 4: So I was like, you know, like it was just

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Speaker 4: the charger thing. I had to go get a different charger.

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Speaker 4: Like no, so do you do they know what's in

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Speaker 4: it before it's replaced, because I'm going that's a pretty

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Speaker 4: great suitcase to accidentally lose if you're a dishonest person.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I should never do that.

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Speaker 1: No, I couldn't like them. We're saying someone could have

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Speaker 1: like if they opened it up.

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Speaker 3: Oh, but how does they have any work?

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Speaker 4: Like when you lose a bag, like would I get

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Speaker 4: like do I defile insurance claim?

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Speaker 2: Like how does that? How does that work? I think

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Speaker 4: And then like I think you have a list out item,

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Speaker 4: like there's a rolex in there.

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Speaker 2: Well, you got plenty of things.

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Speaker 4: I was like, hmm, share ways, there's got to be

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Speaker 4: like a there's something like or no, there has to

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Speaker 4: be like a limit to though, Like I'm sure they

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Speaker 1: That's why you have like homeowners insurance and stuff or

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Speaker 1: like you know, insurance to cover those things or the

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Speaker 1: shoes on the policy, but the policy your diamonds and

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Speaker 1: like all that stuff, right, well.

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Speaker 4: Depending what I don't. Ever, I don't put those on

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Speaker 4: the policy. No, we know we put them on the policy.

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Speaker 4: You put your shoes on a policy.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't have Jimmy shoes. I owned James diamonds.

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Speaker 2: I do James Jimmy Yeah if I own them, sure, yeah.

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Speaker 4: I don't own them, don't own them, But I do

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Speaker 4: all the diamonds, one pair, all the diamonds.

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Speaker 2: A few shoes though that I would definitely put on there.

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Speaker 4: Like what I have, Like, okay, I have one pair

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Speaker 4: of Curshial Lutons that are ten years old now.

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Speaker 2: They're vintage definitely, but they don't even.

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Speaker 4: Say they're just sitting there because they're only my only red.

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Speaker 4: But like like what else everything else? I don't have

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Speaker 4: one new pair of a Sam Edelman one hundred dollars sneaker,

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Speaker 4: Like I don't.

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Speaker 2: Have any of some sneakers that are not that are

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Speaker 2: my ten.

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Speaker 3: Year old geese years old seven.

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Speaker 2: But still but they're still were expensive.

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Speaker 4: And we're like fifty dollars now they're not I've looked

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Speaker 4: them up or not.

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Speaker 2: Listen, I'm just saying, like, really, really have that really

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Well, ilading in the ocean. I think you're going

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Speaker 4: to get it back. It's fine. I think you're going

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Speaker 4: to get a backstressing about it. Yeah, let's say, yeah,

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Speaker 4: weren't broken makeup in my supplements back then?

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Speaker 1: Jimmy choos, whoever has my bag, I just feel just

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Speaker 1: shipped me my supplements.

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Speaker 4: I would like my my my face stuff back because

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Speaker 4: that stuff's expensive.

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Speaker 2: Frames are like two hundred dollars.

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Speaker 2: Mine is definitely not. Yeah, you definitely need that has.

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Speaker 4: Retinal in it. Yeah, but they don't all cost him.

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Speaker 4: But it doesn't matter at all. Adds up fast. I mean, shoot,

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Speaker 4: my cheap stuff adds up fast.

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Speaker 2: Correct.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So anyways, that's that's why I stink. That's why I'm late.

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Speaker 4: So I'm freezing.

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Speaker 2: I feel like you tho.

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Speaker 1: I know, God, Catherine, No, you don't stink, But I

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Speaker 1: feel like you might have to buy a razor, might

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Speaker 1: have to think that the bag's not coming back and

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Speaker 1: get a few of those things.

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Speaker 2: Guys. I have a new Birkenstocks in there that I

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Speaker 2: just got.

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Speaker 4: We can not worried about there, worried about the Birkenstocksky,

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Speaker 4: Welcome to my life, though, when like I don't care

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Speaker 4: about the real designer druff. That's it's all the stuff

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Speaker 4: you use most often. Absolutely what I do have a

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Speaker 4: my love with han person there. Oh my god, this

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Speaker 4: bag just keeps getting more. It's a jackpot if you're

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Speaker 4: a dishonest jackpot jackpot. I would like to know if

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Speaker 4: you see the Jana Kramer Dalless actress tag on the bag,

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Speaker 4: that's what. Anyways, you're going to get it back. Guys,

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Speaker 4: we have a very exciting guest today. Armie Hammer's mom

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Speaker 4: is coming on and to refresh your memory, we did

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Speaker 4: we had was it his aunt?

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Speaker 2: His aunt? Yes, comely had.

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Speaker 3: Because she they did the documentary.

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Speaker 2: She did the documentary.

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Speaker 4: So we're going to get her on because she has

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Speaker 4: a book called hand I like the little plan.

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Speaker 2: Well done.

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Speaker 4: Interested to Hammer, but let's get her on and see

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Speaker 4: what she has to say.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Hi, how are you?

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Speaker 5: I'm great? Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 4: Of course, thank you for coming on. I yeah, we

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Speaker 4: got you know, we got the word that you were

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Speaker 4: coming on. We have been hearing all about your your

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Speaker 4: book which is available now called Hammered. And I recently

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Speaker 4: saw something in the news too, because you know, I

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Speaker 4: was doing a little research and uh, there was an

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Speaker 5: So you know, what are you going to do? Right?

440
00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:27,040
Speaker 6: The bottom line is is that God is faithful and

441
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 6: God restores and he takes full responsibility for you know,

442
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,440
Speaker 6: having the upper hand and maybe taken advantage of these

443
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:41,080
Speaker 6: young women. But there was nothing criminal there. But you know,

444
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,159
Speaker 6: that's such a small part of my book. My book

445
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:48,200
Speaker 6: is really about everyone in life has been hammered, and

446
00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,399
Speaker 6: when your heart's been hammered, there is always a God

447
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,960
Speaker 6: who is there waiting for us. Jesus died on the

448
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,920
Speaker 6: cross for us. He took the sins upon the world

449
00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,200
Speaker 6: for us. And that's really what my book is about,

450
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,679
Speaker 6: is it's about redemption. And now you know, both my

451
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 6: kids were very close and we're on the right path

452
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 6: and we're serving the Lord again. And I believe God

453
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,560
Speaker 6: restores all I really do. And that's what my book

454
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 6: is about, that even when you hit rock bottom, every

455
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 6: heart has been hammered. But God is faithful, He restores

456
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,679
Speaker 6: the broken heart. And it's all about forgiveness. If we

457
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,920
Speaker 6: don't forgive, then we can't move forward because then we

458
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 6: are eaten up with bitterness. I meet women all the

459
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 6: time who have been through divorce and there's still better

460
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 6: ten twenty years after the divorce, and I say to them,

461
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,160
Speaker 6: I know it's hard, and it's you know, I've been

462
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,880
Speaker 6: through it. But if you don't forgive, it doesn't hurt

463
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 6: the other person, it hurts you. So I have many

464
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 6: platforms that I really pray that God will give me,

465
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 6: you know, the ability to be able to share with

466
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Speaker 6: women because I've been through a lot.

467
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Speaker 5: We all have. You know, it's a tough tough life.

468
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Speaker 1: Speaking of forgiveness, and redemption with him being essentially canceled

469
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Speaker 1: like you speak of cancel culture. Do you think that

470
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Speaker 1: he has the ability to be forgiven by the masses.

471
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Speaker 1: Do you think he has the ability to come back

472
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Speaker 1: as an actor or do you think he's forever labeled

473
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Speaker 1: this way and it is what it is, what it is,

474
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Speaker 1: and he won't get any more jobs.

475
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Speaker 6: No, he Actually, here's what I respect about the whole

476
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 6: situation is, for four years, Army never came out and

477
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 6: said a word. And because of that, you can imagine,

478
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 6: I had vanity fair, I had everyone coming to me.

479
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 6: Everybody wants to know what the mother has to say

480
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 6: about it, and it's not my story to tell. Now

481
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,879
Speaker 6: I can tell it because he's come out. But since

482
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 6: he's come out, he has already had many people contact

483
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 6: him wanting to do projects with him. So I think

484
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 6: he absolutely will come back because that's his love and

485
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:14,160
Speaker 6: that's what he loves. And again, there was nothing criminal

486
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 6: everything that he was accused of, nothing was criminal that

487
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:18,120
Speaker 6: he did.

488
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 5: He was morally wrong. That's how I say it.

489
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Speaker 4: Do you I know you spoke that like so you've

490
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 4: always been a woman of faith and you raise the

491
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Speaker 4: boys that way, and then you mentioned the army had

492
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 4: to fall away because obviously there's this disconnect with him

493
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,439
Speaker 4: with how can someone in a church and someone of

494
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 4: godly standing do something to him at you know, fourteen?

495
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,919
Speaker 4: How is his relationship now with God in the same like,

496
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 4: is this a family felt like overall? Are you all

497
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 4: feeling like we believe in the Lord, we're walking with

498
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,119
Speaker 4: the Lord? Or is this is he still had that

499
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 4: disconnect because of what happened to him.

500
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Speaker 6: No, I think he has stepped through that process and

501
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 6: I think he is definitely coming back to God. We

502
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 6: pray together, now, we talk about the Lord together. He's

503
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 6: truly come full circle. And again he had to die

504
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 6: to self, his career had to die, his relationships had

505
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 6: to die, and now he's restoring them and it's really

506
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 6: beautiful to watch. Even he and his wife have this

507
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:27,400
Speaker 6: amazing co parenting relationship and they get along beautifully and

508
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 6: they love their children and they're there for them. So

509
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 6: it's wonderful.

510
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 5: Yeah.

511
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Speaker 3: I mean it's important.

512
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Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's what you know. There's no part of

513
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 4: you know again, people, I don't necessarily it's not necessarily

514
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 4: I don't agree with what my ex did and the

515
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 4: things that you know happened, but we share kids together,

516
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 4: and so yes, it's yes, you know, I don't want

517
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 4: to be the bitter, angry ex wife because it serves

518
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 4: no purpose to my kids. But also myself, like, that's

519
00:25:58,080 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 4: that's always a piece that I go back to. I'm like,

520
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 4: it's that actually a lot. Yes, easier being his friend

521
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 4: and I don't respect the things he did, but I

522
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 4: can respect that he's still the father of my children.

523
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 4: And yes, have a new relationship is kind of what

524
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 4: I always say, right.

525
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 6: And that's what it's all about when it's too big

526
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 6: for us, because I went through the same thing as

527
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 6: you know, I talk about it in my book, and

528
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 6: my former husband and I became great friends, and we

529
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 6: shared holidays together with our sons and our grandchildren, and

530
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,640
Speaker 6: when he died in the hospital, I would climb go

531
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Speaker 6: and be with him and climb in bed with him

532
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 6: and put my arms around him and say, you know

533
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 6: how much I love you, and I exonerate you as

534
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 6: being a wonderful father to my sons, to our sons,

535
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 6: and forgiveness is a beautiful thing, it really is.

536
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, So what do you want then?

537
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Speaker 4: I mean, obviously you say a lot about forgiveness and

538
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 4: you know, God being there to to you know, to

539
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,160
Speaker 4: heal all the broken pieces. What is the biggest takeaway

540
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 4: from your book that you want people to take.

541
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 6: I would say, you know, I titled it Hammered, and

542
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 6: you know, I thought, well, maybe someone will walk by

543
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 6: and go, oh great, someone wrote a book when they

544
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 6: were hammered. This might be funny, anything to get him

545
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,199
Speaker 6: to pick it up, right, But really it's about every

546
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 6: heart has been hammered. But I believe that people will

547
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 6: fail us, but God will never fail us. And when

548
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 6: people fail us, that's when we want to turn to God.

549
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 6: Trust him, help him if it's hard to forgive, because

550
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 6: forgiveness is a process too. It may not happen overnight.

551
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 6: It's a tough thing, especially when you've been betrayed by

552
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 6: the very person that you thought was your soulmate, the

553
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 6: love of your life, the father to your children. But

554
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 6: like you said, I appreciate what you said because I

555
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 6: feel exactly the same way that if you don't forgive,

556
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 6: it's only hurting yourself. So he may have hurt your past,

557
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 6: but why let someone have the power over you to

558
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 6: hurt your future. And that's where God comes in because

559
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 6: he can help us forgive when it's too difficult for us.

560
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 6: And you know, I've been through the best of life,

561
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:13,959
Speaker 6: and I've been through the worst. And if you are

562
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 6: going to write a book, you've got to talk about

563
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 6: the good, the bad, and the ugly. And that's why

564
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 6: it took me ten years. I've kept putting it down

565
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 6: because I was like, I don't want to put myself

566
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 6: out there. But now I believe God held it up

567
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 6: until we've all come full circle, as I talk about

568
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,719
Speaker 6: in chapter eighteen, how God has restored our family and

569
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 6: brought everything back around, and you know, we've we've just

570
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 6: all really been healed by the Lord. I believe that.

571
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 4: Did you have to ask for Armies permission to write

572
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 4: the book? Like did you tell him like, hey, I'm

573
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 4: writing this book. And I know you said it's been

574
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 4: ten years, so that was before everything happened. But obviously

575
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 4: I'm sure you've added in certain details of that situation,

576
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 4: I assume, So did you have to say, like, Hey,

577
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 4: is this okay?

578
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 2: And are you know what can I kind of put

579
00:28:59,640 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 2: in it?

580
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 6: Yes, I send it out to everyone that I even

581
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 6: mentioned their name in and I only mentioned first names,

582
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 6: but of course I would give my family the respect.

583
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 6: So I sent the book to my sons and I said,

584
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 6: you know, make sure you read chapter eighteen and if

585
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 6: there's anything that you need or want taken out, of

586
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 6: course I would do that.

587
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 5: It's your story. You know.

588
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 6: Yes, I'm your mother, but what I'm talking about is

589
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 6: your story as your mother.

590
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 5: So if there's anything you want to change or take out,

591
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 5: let me know.

592
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 6: And both sons called, and there were a couple legal

593
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 6: things because my younger son is in a legal battle

594
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 6: with that's a whole other story kind of touches on

595
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 6: it in the book, but you know, Armie said, Mom,

596
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 6: I'm so proud of you and I would not change

597
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 6: one thing that you said in there. So I would

598
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 6: have never done it if they didn't approve, because you know,

599
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 6: you always you love your family, but you want to

600
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 6: respect them as well as I did with everyone in

601
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 6: the book.

602
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,719
Speaker 5: Yeah I did. I sure did well.

603
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 4: And what's one thing that you want people to know

604
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 4: about your son, Army, Well, any of.

605
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 2: Two sons, h I have two cents.

606
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 4: What do you want your biggest takeaway for people to

607
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 4: have with Army to I know you say today like

608
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 4: he's a different person, but like what would you want

609
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 4: the imprint of Army in people's brain to be now?

610
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 6: Well, I would like to say he's not a different

611
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 6: person because in his childhood he was the sweet Army

612
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 6: that he is today. And I love every set that

613
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 6: I went on when he was acting. Every single set,

614
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 6: I would say, people would come up to me and say,

615
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 6: your son is the nicest person I've ever met in

616
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 6: my life. He remembers everybody's name. He treats everybody with respect.

617
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 6: I've heard that for the twenty years that he's been

618
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 6: doing this. Maybe not twenty, I don't know how many

619
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 6: years it is, but so I think he's come back

620
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 6: to the person he used to be. He's not medicating,

621
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 6: you know, he has dealt with the situation. At fourteen,

622
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 6: he went to rehab for five months. You know, you

623
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 6: don't do that for Alic. Then it was, oh, it

624
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 6: was a publicity stunt. You know that he went to rehab.

625
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 6: They all go to rehab for a publicity stunt. No,

626
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 6: he got sober before he went, and then he dug

627
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 6: deep and he said, I'm not leaving until I really

628
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 6: get restored and I go back and make amends with

629
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 6: everyone in my life. So I would say, he's back

630
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 6: to the same person. And then my other son, Victor

631
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 6: is seriously the kindest, sweetest person you'll ever meet in

632
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 6: your life. I don't even remember disciplining him as a child.

633
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 6: He was just this pretty much a perfect child. It's amazing.

634
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 6: So I'm just proud of both of my boys. And

635
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 6: we had to hit rock bottom and I say in

636
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 6: my intro that we had to crash and burn like

637
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 6: marshmallows on a fire, but we're back.

638
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 2: I love that. Well, thank you so much for coming on.

639
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 5: Thank you for your time. I really appreciate it.

640
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 6: Okay, thank you golf, Okay, thanks by bye.

641
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 4: Oh.

642
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 2: I love a mom's heart.

643
00:31:58,200 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 4: I think that's like the biggest takeaway is like the

644
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 4: Alma's heart, you know, which I didn't really get until

645
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 4: I became a mom.

646
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 2: I don't know that you yet. I don't think you

647
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 2: fully can.

648
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I don't think of most anything you can

649
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 4: really fully understand until you walk at yourself in life

650
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 4: in general.

651
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: Well even if you think about even being a mom.

652
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: Let's say, because I thought about this some manytimes, like

653
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: if you have a child that like murders someone or

654
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: that does something, how hard that would be. I mean,

655
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: I can't even imagine that as a mom, how you

656
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: still love but you know, you'll still love your child.

657
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Speaker 1: There's no way to not love your child no matter

658
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Speaker 1: what they've done.

659
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 2: Right, you might be to the was it.

660
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Speaker 1: And the letter in is the M degree M degree

661
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: because in the thing it's into in it's a degree I.

662
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Speaker 4: Think with the I think into the nth degree. Let's

663
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 4: just go with that. You're still gonna love. Yeah, you're

664
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Speaker 4: your child no matter how horrendous it is.

665
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, But but that that's I mean, and that's

666
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 2: why it's such a tough one though.

667
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Speaker 4: But also like again, like I just remember, like I'll

668
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 4: never forget calling my exes. Sorry I mean to cut

669
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 4: you off, but my ex's parents when everything went down

670
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 4: in Orlando, like just their whole world spinning and being

671
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 4: like what, No, that's not our son because it's like

672
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Speaker 4: you you almost can't imagine that your kids could do.

673
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Speaker 3: Something like that because I believe it's not.

674
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Speaker 5: You know.

675
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Speaker 4: And then so it's like I can't imagine being in

676
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 4: this situation where you're like you want to eat people,

677
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like you you taste the blood,

678
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 4: like it's like there's just like it's like a what right,

679
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 4: I'm so confused.

680
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Speaker 1: Well, and it's like even having her on, it's like

681
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Speaker 1: you want to like argue those things, right, but also

682
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: like it is.

683
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Speaker 2: Hers do you argue with the mom? Literally like me?

684
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Speaker 4: But he says he wanted and I appreciated what you

685
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 4: were you kind of went well, it's not subjective. He

686
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 4: did text saying like he wanted to eat her her

687
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 4: ribs and like break your bones, so like, but also

688
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 4: I understand someone being sick, you know what I mean,

689
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Speaker 4: and like I can relate it to like though it's different,

690
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 4: it was still you know, a sexual thing of sickness,

691
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Speaker 4: you know.

692
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Speaker 2: But she's always going to with the mom. I guess

693
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Speaker 2: like she's going to.

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Speaker 1: I think she's argue word like she doesn't and I

695
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 1: think she did a beautiful job of he was morally

696
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: wrong obviously, okay. And that he's been healed, who knows

697
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: to we'll say they've been healed all the time, who knows.

698
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: And that's not for us to even to decide if

699
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Speaker 1: he's healed or not. That's between him and God, not

700
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: even my you know, my thing. But I'm like, you

701
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: could go back and forth all day long. But but

702
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: but and then she could go back and so forth

703
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 1: and said, well he said this, he didn't really mean

704
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: it like that, but like that doesn't.

705
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, but anybody gets pressed ready, they know exactly what

706
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 4: they need to say. He's not criminally wrong, he's morally

707
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 4: like they have to get buttoned up, right. And I

708
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,280
Speaker 4: also I get she's a mom. She's going to defend,

709
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 4: but she's also not coming in with a on her shoulder, either, right,

710
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 4: which I think why you don't even need to argue, right,

711
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 4: But I also don't want to take away any of

712
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 4: like the victims exactly. I just want to say that

713
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 4: because one hundred percent from watching those things, that is

714
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 4: their stories, that is their you know that it was

715
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 4: their life, and you know, I think maybe he wasn't. Again,

716
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 4: we don't know the ins and outs of it. I

717
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 4: know he wasn't criminally charged, but that victim might have

718
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 4: been let down in that criminal system as well, so

719
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 4: like things that went on. So I just don't want

720
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 4: to take away from like their emotions, feelings and what

721
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 4: they went through because I can't imagine being subjected to

722
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 4: some of that stuff. That's why I was like, it's

723
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Speaker 4: actually not pulled out of nowhere because it's factual information,

724
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 4: right that he has said those things, So maybe that's

725
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,399
Speaker 4: not criminal, but that doesn't make it okay, right, right, And.

726
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: I think it's really important, and it's really important. I

727
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: wish I knew the stats because I was thinking about

728
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: this when she was talking about it. People that commit

729
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 1: I guess he did not commit sexual crimes, but who

730
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: dream about them, who think about them, who commit them.

731
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Speaker 1: There's a huge stat of those who have been molested

732
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Speaker 1: as a child. I don't know what that is, but

733
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Speaker 1: that's a huge number, and I think that's a very

734
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 1: important talking point.

735
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 2: That goes un.

736
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: Treated so many times, and that turns into so many

737
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: bad things in the future. And I just think that

738
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Speaker 1: that's I don't know what the answer to that is.

739
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 1: I don't know what could have changed that situation. Would

740
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Speaker 1: it have changed had his parents known and got him

741
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 1: into therapy, or would he still have had those issues?

742
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 2: I don't know.

743
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,919
Speaker 1: And that's such a fear as a mother, because it's

744
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: like one act like that that is out of your

745
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 1: control can change the trajectory of that person's life.

746
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 2: For the rest of their life.

747
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: And that's just something that when she said that, I'm like, man,

748
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: that's heavy, and that's scary, and I wanted to ask her,

749
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: but I don't know that she knows the answer more

750
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: than getting him help right away. What is the answer

751
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: to that when that happens to someone else at fourteen,

752
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,879
Speaker 1: so it doesn't turn into some thing that he that

753
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: person is dealing with when they're an adult.

754
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Speaker 4: Well, I think again too, I don't know the statistics

755
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 4: of it, but most of the times you don't know

756
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 4: about it until years and years and years after. So

757
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 4: like I'm sure I would think that she wouldn't have

758
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 4: known it, you know, right, But because if something like

759
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 4: that happened just now, knowing everything like in life today,

760
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,439
Speaker 4: like if if if because I think they're they feel

761
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 4: ashamed or they think here's their falter, which is why

762
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:29,320
Speaker 4: a lot of those survivors and victims don't talk about

763
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 4: it because they feel the shame a piece of it.

764
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Speaker 4: So I think, if you know, if someone was to

765
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Speaker 4: come to us and that happened, then I'd be like,

766
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 4: we're going into therapy, you know what I mean. But

767
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 4: even then you still don't know their repercussions, like what happens, right,

768
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 4: So it's scary and a lot of times they're groomed

769
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 4: to not say a word like it's it's for me

770
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 4: to feel like you wanted this.

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Speaker 1: She liked this.

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Speaker 3: It's ezy, right, yeah.

773
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Speaker 4: I mean even I was watching with the Olympics and stuff,

774
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 4: and I was watching the Simone Bios. Always watched that

775
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 4: on Netflix.

776
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Speaker 2: I haven't yet. I want to.

777
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just it's a two episode or it's good.

778
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 4: And you know, she was just saying again like with

779
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 4: the Larry that Larry now, yeah, how it was like

780
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,240
Speaker 4: they didn't really know that it was wrong, but it

781
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 4: was wrong, you know, so then you and so you

782
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 4: don't talk about it because you just think it's normal.

783
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 1: Well, some of it's not as obvious, right, I know

784
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: that seems like ridiculous because it's all wrong to say,

785
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 1: but I just think it's not all just so obvious,

786
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,399
Speaker 1: like an actual sexual rape, you know. I mean it's

787
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: not always the case. A lot of times it's not.

788
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: And I think those girls were like, okay, so his

789
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: hand was there, but like he has me in like

790
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: a medical situation. Right, it's hard. I can see that

791
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: one of a lot of them. I can see where

792
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:45,879
Speaker 1: they were questioning. I truly can.

793
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 2: And they were in each other if they said it

794
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 2: at all, they leaned into each other, and none. I

795
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 2: see how that one happened the way that it did.

796
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: I truly do so messed up. I know it's so

797
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 1: messed up. But anyway, everyone go get her book.

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00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 2: Hammered.

799
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Speaker 4: Yeah, because I do like the underlying message of it too,

800
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:07,399
Speaker 4: you know, I think redemption and forgiveness is a beautiful thing,

801
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 4: and so yeah, absolutely available.

802
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 2: Now see you guys next week.

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Speaker 3: See you by