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Speaker 2: That's funny, Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 3: But they also had a talent team.

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Speaker 1: And when I was in junior high, my friends, my

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I get that. How many bands are there that Texas?

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Speaker 1: You know, I mean there's a lot. So we go

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Speaker 2: What do you play?

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. We were doing like one of our

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Speaker 3: We won.

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Speaker 1: and it's all the delegates is the committee. It's all

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Speaker 2: That's why you wear the dress.

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Speaker 1: Yea. So it was all malled delegation of you know,

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Speaker 1: But from there I went on to this other band.

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Speaker 2: I ask about you playing young, Yeah, where your dad's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was part of it for sure. What was it?

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Speaker 1: And I was, like I said, I looked up to

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Speaker 2: Did he teach you? Do you sit with you and

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Speaker 1: Oh? He did. He was reluctantly teaching me. And my

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Speaker 1: He was very serious, which probably made him a really good,

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Speaker 1: from those Taylor, Texas days, learning to read and write

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Speaker 1: here it is. You know. I remember my ninth birthday

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Speaker 1: the movie camera with him playing that little guitar from Mexico,

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00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:24,840
Speaker 1: you know, and my guitar shaped cake. You know. That

439
00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,119
Speaker 1: started the journey for me. From that moment on, I

440
00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:32,280
Speaker 1: was determined I had a lot more want to Probably

441
00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:34,920
Speaker 1: obviously the talent back then you don't know what you're doing.

442
00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,000
Speaker 1: But I really kind of picked it up. I did

443
00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:41,480
Speaker 1: like it, and then something happened. You know. My dad

444
00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:43,159
Speaker 1: he was gone a lot, Like you said, he was

445
00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,840
Speaker 1: a professional touring guy West Coast. We might not see

446
00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,320
Speaker 1: him for three months sometimes, you know, so I missed

447
00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:51,040
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. I lived next door to my grandparents,

448
00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:53,080
Speaker 1: which helped a lot. They really helped raise me. My

449
00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:56,399
Speaker 1: parents divorced in junior high and they really just kind

450
00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:58,760
Speaker 1: of watched over me. From that point on. I had

451
00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:02,800
Speaker 1: my own home, Bobby, from a freshman year on, I

452
00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:03,399
Speaker 1: had a house.

453
00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:05,200
Speaker 2: Did you just go bananas?

454
00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:11,680
Speaker 1: Bananas? Yeah, the band rehearsed there. We'd have parties, but

455
00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,000
Speaker 1: it didn't ever. I really had a lot of respect

456
00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,280
Speaker 1: for my grandparents. I didn't want to go so far

457
00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:19,160
Speaker 1: that I ended up in jail or something.

458
00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,680
Speaker 2: But I mean, like, we might not clean because you're my.

459
00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,480
Speaker 3: Dad was still living there, you know, but he come home.

460
00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:26,120
Speaker 3: We come home.

461
00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,320
Speaker 1: We had a couple of water fights that went bad.

462
00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,520
Speaker 1: One time, you know, we had to pull the furniture

463
00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:32,840
Speaker 1: out in the front yard to dry it out. It

464
00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,920
Speaker 1: wasn't a good scene, and my grandparents, you know, very concerned.

465
00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:38,480
Speaker 1: They were also full of guilt. My parents were just divorced.

466
00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:40,280
Speaker 1: They were trying to really kind of baby me a

467
00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:41,919
Speaker 1: little bit. They didn't want to rock the boat, you know.

468
00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,439
Speaker 1: But my dad, my granddad, we would have these crazy parties.

469
00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,119
Speaker 1: You know, we're in high school, you know, lots of

470
00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:50,200
Speaker 1: girls over there and having fun. I remember my granddaddy

471
00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,639
Speaker 1: would come down the trail, you know, a little lane

472
00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,520
Speaker 1: from his house, in his boxer shorts and like a

473
00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:58,679
Speaker 1: wife beater and a flashlight. Well, Grandpa, we got girls

474
00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:00,520
Speaker 1: down here. Click, the flashlight would go off, and we'd

475
00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,200
Speaker 1: never seen him again. He thought he was going to

476
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,200
Speaker 1: do something, but he didn't do anything. They did call

477
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,360
Speaker 1: the cops on us one time. I was getting out

478
00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,919
Speaker 1: of control. We were practicing late. There's no neighbor to

479
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:13,960
Speaker 1: the end of the dead end road we lived on

480
00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,960
Speaker 1: my grandparents next door and then cattle across the street.

481
00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,320
Speaker 1: There's nobody we're bothering. But I think they were trying

482
00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:21,720
Speaker 1: to teach me. So in the middle of the rehearsal,

483
00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:23,520
Speaker 1: we hear a knock on the door. We went hate

484
00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,159
Speaker 1: everybody quiet, you know, pounding on the door, and we

485
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,760
Speaker 1: said hello, and the voice on the other side said,

486
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:29,720
Speaker 1: it's the heat.

487
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,000
Speaker 2: I've never heard him a part of themselves as the heat.

488
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,840
Speaker 1: He referred to himself as the heat. And we opened

489
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,360
Speaker 1: the door and we knew the police officer, a guy

490
00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,359
Speaker 1: that we hired. I have to have security when we

491
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,280
Speaker 1: had these dances, you know. But that was about the

492
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,960
Speaker 1: extent of nobody ever got hurt. Nobody really got in

493
00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,199
Speaker 1: trouble bad. We walked a pretty fine line there and

494
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:50,240
Speaker 1: balanced that out somehow.

495
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:50,840
Speaker 3: I don't know how.

496
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:52,960
Speaker 1: I wasn't a big drinker in high school, so I

497
00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,400
Speaker 1: kind of kept in no drugs. I had never seen

498
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 1: anything like that in high school. That passes pretty taboo

499
00:21:58,800 --> 00:21:59,560
Speaker 1: back then.

500
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Speaker 5: Still hang tight, The Bobby cast will be right back. Wow,

501
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,720
Speaker 5: and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

502
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,640
Speaker 2: When did you move here? And even before that, when

503
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:18,919
Speaker 2: did you decide that this was the career for you,

504
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 2: not just something you love to do, because there's a

505
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,240
Speaker 2: different dedication for career. The end a day's a passion.

506
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:28,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, good point, for sure, it was. It was. It

507
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,679
Speaker 1: was a lot of struggling. Those Austin days were my

508
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:32,160
Speaker 1: starving musician days.

509
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:33,880
Speaker 2: Do you have all the jobs I did.

510
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,760
Speaker 1: I was not very often. I had those Texas jobs

511
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:39,920
Speaker 1: early on hauling hay, which made me go back.

512
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:41,880
Speaker 2: It's the Arkansas job too, I to do that crap too. Oh.

513
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 1: I went back and practiced really hard after that. That

514
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:46,679
Speaker 1: made me go back and realize not for me, it

515
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,880
Speaker 1: was so brutal Texas summers. I didn't have a lot.

516
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,399
Speaker 1: I was playing two three different bands. I did a

517
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:56,119
Speaker 1: lot of that kind of thing, juggling, filling in, but

518
00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 1: I was also riding, you know. And then later this

519
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 1: few things started happening. This guy, Reese Winan, who is

520
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 1: an amazing piano player. He was playing with Delbert Mclinton

521
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 1: at the time, and he was coming over to my

522
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 1: dad's studio and we were hiring him as musicians. We

523
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,919
Speaker 1: had these world class players coming to this little studio

524
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 1: in lamp Passes. Ernie Durrawa, the drummer for the Texas Tornadoes,

525
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 1: became my dad's friend. Tom Bramley, the steel player for

526
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 1: the Buckaroos, lived he moved back to Marble Falls. He

527
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 1: was playing on a lot of those sessions, and I

528
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,640
Speaker 1: was playing with him, with Leroy Parnell and Rosie Flores.

529
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 1: I was getting to meet these people. But Reese really

530
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,160
Speaker 1: took me in and said, after a couple sessions met,

531
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,120
Speaker 1: I've got this gig he might be interested in. It's

532
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 1: a cocktail gig at the Hyatt Hotel downtown Austin.

533
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:38,640
Speaker 3: You know it right on Town Lake.

534
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,640
Speaker 1: He goes, it's fifty dollars a night and we play five,

535
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 1: six nights a week. You'd be perfect for it. So

536
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 1: I was making the drive one hundred and twenty miles

537
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 1: a night, five nights a week, and we were eating

538
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 1: the employees cafeteria, me and Reese. Reese went on to

539
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,919
Speaker 1: be the Double Trouble with Stevie ray Vaughan. Now he

540
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 1: plays with Joe Bona Massa, but he was one of

541
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 1: those first people that said, let me introduce you to

542
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,880
Speaker 1: some people you know, and he did. He just took

543
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 1: it upon himself. He even created this band called the

544
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 1: c Notes. I was the lead singer, and that really

545
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: elevated my playing. But it also made me start to

546
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 1: think about I could maybe do this. I was kind

547
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 1: of a singing bass player prior to that.

548
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,199
Speaker 2: You know, why did they singing like that? Were you

549
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 2: not known? No as a dynamic singer?

550
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,199
Speaker 1: No, not at all. No, I was a guy that

551
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,360
Speaker 1: could fill in and cover harmony parts. I could sing

552
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 1: a few songs. I've been doing it with my dad.

553
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 1: He would we do two three sets. We'd go out

554
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 1: and do four hours, sometimes without my dad as a band.

555
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 3: You know. So I was doing learning and building.

556
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 2: And you know, did you think you were a good singer?

557
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 3: Probably not.

558
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 2: Did you learn later or you were a really good singer?

559
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 3: No?

560
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,880
Speaker 1: I never never thought that was my strongest. I thought

561
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 1: it was a badass bass player.

562
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 2: You know.

563
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 1: It's got me nowhere really other than some gigs, you know.

564
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 1: But through those gigs, I ended up auditioning for Delbert

565
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 1: Mclinton because we were going out in opening shows with

566
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,679
Speaker 1: his band called the Senoes. Threese and Delbert we hit

567
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 1: it off right away. I auditioned in his living room,

568
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 1: and two days later I was in Miami. We were

569
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: opening for John Fogerty. And life just took a whole

570
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:12,160
Speaker 1: different path after that.

571
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 2: So you went from that Texas struggle life and then

572
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 2: you're on the road and you're playing these major cities.

573
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: Oh for Fogerty, Huey Lewis nineteen eighty six, the Big

574
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 1: Four Tour. We did that with Tower of Power.

575
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 2: That's the first time you like saw I don't see

576
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 2: the world, but even domestically, the first time you like

577
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 2: saw other parts of the country or your dad, like

578
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 2: I guess, I don't know his touring.

579
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:33,919
Speaker 3: I saw that with my dad. He took us to

580
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 3: the West coast, so.

581
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 2: You go all the way, you go to east coast,

582
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 2: west coast.

583
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: Mainly the West coast. My dad took us to Jackson,

584
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 1: Hawaiioming he loved. He would play there for a month

585
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 1: at a time. So I saw some parts of the country,

586
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 1: but not until like Delbert, New York City, San Francisco, Miami, Miami,

587
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 1: in these great tours. You know, Huey Lewis was on

588
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 1: top of the world back then, and we were opening.

589
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,479
Speaker 1: I think we did probably thirty dates with him, you know,

590
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 1: and same with John Fogerty and Delbert always did cool,

591
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 1: cool gigs. So it exposed me to a wonderful life

592
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 1: of here's what it's like. Of course, we're in a

593
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty eight tour bus, eleven of us packed into

594
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,880
Speaker 1: this little tiny bus. Of course, I was the youngest guy.

595
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 1: I was just it was nothing but what I always

596
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 1: wanted to do, you know. But even Bobby as good

597
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 1: as that gig was. As much as I loved to

598
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 1: Delbert and still do, I just didn't want to end

599
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 1: up being a bass player for somebody. I was writing

600
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 1: these songs, so I started making these trips to Nashville,

601
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 1: you know, and saving up a little money trying to

602
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: get up here.

603
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 4: Before Why Nashville though, Well, I'd been here with my dad,

604
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 4: and I thought about la I thought about New York,

605
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,919
Speaker 4: and maybe I could go and audition for something, you know,

606
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:37,679
Speaker 4: on Broadway.

607
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 1: You know, I can sing, I can play. I had

608
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: no idea what I was doing other than I knew

609
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 1: I had some skills. Where could I best be placed.

610
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 3: Somewhere do something?

611
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: You know? But it was songwriting that started slowly bringing

612
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 1: it into the fact that maybe possibly I could, I

613
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: could do this on my own. I could create music maybe,

614
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 1: and that would be a lane for me to really chase.

615
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 1: You know.

616
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 2: Did you share any of the music with the guys

617
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 2: you were working with?

618
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: Not much?

619
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 2: No, Did they know you were also doing this and writing?

620
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: Not a lot. Now. I was a closet kind of

621
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 1: in my room, making these horrible little home demos on

622
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 1: that fos Tex cassette four track thing that everybody wanted

623
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: back in the day.

624
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 3: And another point in my life that changed everything.

625
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: I left Delbert, I got sober, I was spiraling kind

626
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: of out of control, and I really wanted to focus

627
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: on writing. So this guy named Bill Carter, he was

628
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: finishing up a record. He and his wife, Ruth Ellsworth.

629
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:40,199
Speaker 1: They had written The Crossfire for Stevie Rayvaughn, Willie the

630
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,919
Speaker 1: Wimp and his cadillact Coffin the Fabulous Thunderbirds were recording

631
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: some of their songs. They were like a dynamic duo

632
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: songwriting team in Austin, Texas, and he was putting a

633
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 1: band together. I went an audition, I got the gig,

634
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: and then while we were out there on that tour

635
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 1: opening for Stevie Rayvaughn, we went from Austin to the

636
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: bottom Line, New York City and back, played lots of

637
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 1: places in between. I shared my home demos with Bill

638
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 1: and Ruth and it was really not even like me,

639
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: but they liked it. They liked they were country, classic

640
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: country country stuff, and they went, Man, we get off

641
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: this tour, let's focus on writing some country songs with you.

642
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,439
Speaker 1: You know, I said, that'd be great. It was my

643
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: first co write with anybody, and so I went over

644
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: their home. We hit it off. They were really good writers.

645
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: I just felt so intimidated. I had these ideas. I

646
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: had some cool titles and pieces and parts, and then

647
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: we started demoing these songs. Then we sent them up

648
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 1: here to a guy named Jody Williams, who I had

649
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: never met, who was working at BMI, and they said, hey,

650
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: we want to come to Nashville. And I've been coming

651
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: up here and pitching my songs, you know, getting nowhere,

652
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: meeting a lot of bottom feeder type of people, you

653
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: know that weren't doing anything, and it was a little odd,

654
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: but with them, Jody Williams said, men, these demos are great,

655
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: and they said, we said, we want to George Strait cut.

656
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: That's really our goal. You know, we're from Texas and

657
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: that would be the that would be where we want

658
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: to set the bar, you know. And Jody said, man,

659
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. Whoever singing these demos, he needs

660
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: a record deal.

661
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 2: And so Bill didn't know with you.

662
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: He didn't know. I've never met him. I'd never met him.

663
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: I've never had any affiliation with bm IRA run into him,

664
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: got him, didn't know him at all. Complete they they

665
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: had a relationship with him a little bit because of

666
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: their success, you know, so he said, man, who ever

667
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: sing these demos? And so he single handedly took it

668
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: upon himself to get us a meeting with all these

669
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 1: major players in town. Just opened the door. And the

670
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: last visit, the last day was with Tony Brown at

671
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: MCA and I was back at the shown he's in,

672
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: and Bill and Ruth were like, they're representing me. We

673
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: don't know what we're doing. They're trying to walk in

674
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: there like they're my managers and we've got this whole plan.

675
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 3: We didn't know what they're all.

676
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 2: They're all tatted up.

677
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: He was nineteen eighty something, eighty eight eighty nine. You know,

678
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: Bruce got her pink high top kids on. They're they're

679
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: an interesting couple. So and then we were everybody was

680
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: digging the songs, but Tony Brown just flipped and they

681
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: came back to Shonies that day and I remember and

682
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: they opened the door and said, well, we got your

683
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: record deal.

684
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 2: And I went, what, that's that's how you were told.

685
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: That's how I was told.

686
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 2: Having a little sausage, Yeah, yeahet, Hey.

687
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 3: We got your record deal.

688
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: And they said, man, Tony wants to fly to Austin

689
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: and he wants to meet you. He couldn't meet that day.

690
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: He was going on to something else, but he said,

691
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: if you're the real deal, he's going to sign you know. I.

692
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: Oh God, I hope I'm the real deal, whatever that is,

693
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 1: you know. So he flew to Austin and he said

694
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: he was in the ah room and he saw me

695
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,479
Speaker 1: walk in the lobby. I had my cowhide cowboy boots

696
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: on like Stevie ray Vaughan had. He had a pair.

697
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: I had to have a pair and my sunglasses. And

698
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: he went, man, that that must be the guy, you know.

699
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: And then we hit it off and he signed me

700
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: to MCA. That was like eighty nine. But then he

701
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: invited my wife and I to San Antonio to a

702
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: George Strait New Year's Eve show of Patty Loveless and

703
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: Vince Gill. And he took me the dress room and said,

704
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: here's the deal, man. I love your songs. I love

705
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: what you're doing, but we need a band for the label.

706
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: We have the Desert Rose band that's coming to an end.

707
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: How do you feel when he's saying that, Oh, it's disappointed.

708
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 2: That's how I feel too like you're a solo artist

709
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 2: or you're in a band but you're not the lead singer,

710
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 2: and you're trying to be a solo artist, right.

711
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah I was. And my dreams I was

712
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: going to be the next George Strait whatever is gonna happen.

713
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: I'm I'm at MCA. I'm on the same label even,

714
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: you know. And Tony Brown was the one guy I

715
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: really wanted to work with because he had just done

716
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: that first low Love It record, those Steve Earl records

717
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: that I was pretty obsessed with, you know, all the loveless,

718
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: cool Patty Records, Steve Warner, just a lot of songs

719
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: I loved. He was the producer on all those songs.

720
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: So I thought, man, I'm with my guy. This is

721
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: the guy.

722
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 2: You know, what does he say when he says being

723
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 2: a band?

724
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: Is it like, oh, he's like some people he did.

725
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: He's like, man, you're a band guy, goes you, Delbert,

726
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: I saw you with Rosie.

727
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 3: You're a band guy.

728
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: I went, yeah, I'm a band guy, he said, And

729
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: I've got some guys in mind. You know. He knew

730
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: Ray Herndon, our guitar player, because Ray played on all

731
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: the I Love It Records, and then he knew Billy

732
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: Thomas because Billy was singing on these new Vince Gil

733
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: tracks that Tony was cutting, and Billy was the drummer

734
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: for Emmy Lou Harris and Steve Fisher was also one

735
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: of the original members. He was the still guitar player

736
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: for Emmy Lou Harris. But he but Bobby I had

737
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: to go, do I bulk up here and go, you know, hey, listen,

738
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: I love you. I want to work with you, but

739
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: I don't want to be in a band, or do

740
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,719
Speaker 1: I go, hey, I'm willing. And I just went, whatever

741
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: you think, you know, I mean, I've got a shot here.

742
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: But he built it up like we're going to build

743
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: a band around you and your songs.

744
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 3: You're going to be the songwriter. I thought, it's a

745
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 3: great opportunity.

746
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: What am I thinking? You know? I mean, it's Tony

747
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: Brown and I got to see how it plays out,

748
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: you know.

749
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 2: Completely agree, completely understand. I just know that if you're

750
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 2: fighting to be a solo artist and they sign you

751
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 2: and you're thinking you're a solo artist, yeah, and it's

752
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 2: so exciting. Now it's like and you're a band. Yeah,

753
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 2: Now I do listen, you're in a band, but it

754
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 2: almost feels like Tom Petty and the Heartbreaker. Well that's it,

755
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 2: I mean, was that that's something that you said, like,

756
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 2: you want make sure to have your identity in the

757
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 2: project whatever it is.

758
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: Well they did, but in the beginning they were willing

759
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: to do whatever. I mean. In the beginning, the band

760
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: was called wild Horses. That was going to be the

761
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: band name, you know, featuring whoever what isn't going to

762
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: be my name? And wild Horses was already taken by

763
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: a band in like Cleveland or something.

764
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 2: God, yeah, we couldn't get it.

765
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: So then Tony and the label had more meetings like

766
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: will happen, you know, and they said we want to

767
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: use somehow, we want to use your name in the band.

768
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: But I was already rehearsing and getting to know these guys.

769
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: I didn't want to just completely push them out either.

770
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 3: Hey, it's the Cherry McBride show.

771
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 2: In a couple of days, they told though they were

772
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 2: they each like signing to be a solo artist too,

773
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 2: and all the different rooms.

774
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: You're a band. No, but he was going to give

775
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: Ray a song on the album to sing because he

776
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: was a singer. Billy was. It was all built up,

777
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: as you're going to get to work with Tony Brown,

778
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:00,719
Speaker 1: We're going to sign you the MC. You're gonna get

779
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: a chance to be a band and step out and

780
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: do your own thing.

781
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 2: That's what they told them.

782
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: That's what they told them.

783
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 2: And did I don't want to They're gonna be a

784
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 2: lead singer.

785
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: Uh? Ray Ray really wanted to be a lead singer. Yeah,

786
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 1: it was hard on him.

787
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 2: The dynamic that you have to yeah, like accept.

788
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: How really hard on him. And what we didn't know, Bobby,

789
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: we got. We were brought together thinking we're gonna be

790
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: the next Alabama. You know, we're all bad ass, we're

791
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 1: great players. We'd spent years touring and traveling and recording,

792
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: you know. But what happened for us was Ray's a

793
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 1: baritone singer, Billy's an extremely high harmony tenor guy, and

794
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: my voice is right in the middle. So we had

795
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 1: this harmony blend that we didn't even know it was

796
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: part of the band until we started rehearsing.

797
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 5: You know.

798
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: Then it started taking a different turn. We realized, man,

799
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: we've got something here. You know. They started just was

800
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: a revolving door of people coming to our rehearsals after that, managers, agents,

801
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: you know, lawyers, whatever. We didn't know what we were

802
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: doing other than just continuing to play these songs in

803
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: front of people. And it started taking off. And then

804
00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: they said, we got to have a band name.

805
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 3: And we'd like use your name. They're telling me, you know,

806
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 3: so I.

807
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: Started thinking about Huey Lewis and the News, Bruce Hornsby

808
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: and the Range right, and then I thought McBride and

809
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: the Ride. You know, that could be cool at Rhyme's

810
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: what could be better than that? And we took that

811
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: idea back to him. They said, sounds too good to

812
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: be true. You know, we're gonna check it out and

813
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: see if we can have it. Nobody had that name,

814
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: so that's that's how we got the name. And then

815
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 1: we were off and running.

816
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 2: After that, what is off and running mean?

817
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 1: Well, we finished up our rehearsals, set a recording date.

818
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: Next you guys, you've got your songs. They had songs

819
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 1: they really liked. I wrote most of that album, almost

820
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: everything on the first album except for the.

821
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 3: One song Ray sang.

822
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: I think he sang one song on that album. And

823
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: that was the next step. We passed the rehearsal phase.

824
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: Now we're going to go into the studio, and we

825
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: sort of let Steve Fisher go. He was starting to

826
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: produce some things and he got down to just the

827
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: three of us instead of a four piece band, it

828
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: was the three voices of the band. And then we

829
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: let Steve co produce the first record with Tony Brown,

830
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 1: and that was a nice seguway for him to kind

831
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: of exit the band and the best way we could

832
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: do it. And then we started releasing singles. You know,

833
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: it was.

834
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 2: Playing any shows here if you aren't touring, No, we weren't.

835
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 3: We weren't doing much.

836
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: Next step for us was we got to get a manager,

837
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: you know, and we had Ken Levitton and this guy

838
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 1: Ken Stilts who was managing the Judge at the time.

839
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: We had several people really interested and Ken just kind

840
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,439
Speaker 1: of won us over and very powerful guy. At the time,

841
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: the Judgs were on top of the world, and he goes,

842
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: here's what I'm gonna do for you.

843
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 3: I'm gonna put you out on tour.

844
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 1: We had this guy named Bill Carter who was managing

845
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: Rodney Crow, a secret service guy, very interesting guy, loved him,

846
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: but it fell apart. He had a really bumped heads

847
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: with the label. Give us an ultimatum, you stay with

848
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,720
Speaker 1: us or you go with MCA. Oh my god, I thought,

849
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: I love you, but I gotta go with Tony. It

850
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 1: was hard decision to make, and we're just getting started.

851
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: I'm already, you know, getting these things thrown at us,

852
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: like I hope we're doing the right thing. So we

853
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: went with Tony and went with Ken Stills, and he

854
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: immediately put us on tour with the Juds of nineteen ninety,

855
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: you know, before the Farewell tour, right before that. What's

856
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: that like? Oh?

857
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:10,720
Speaker 3: It was mind blowing because they're doing those shids.

858
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: You know, they're they're one of the biggest acts in

859
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: the country, and they were great to us. They just

860
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 1: welcomed us in. You're part of the family now you

861
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: know you're being managed. And I would go out and

862
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: ride horses out at the farm with them, and why

863
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 1: don't it really took me in loan me your motorcycle

864
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: and I had a bike coming and they were just

865
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: couldn't have been better to me and Naomi the same thing,

866
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: cooking food for us and doing all kinds of stuff.

867
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 2: What about the group, how are you guys getting along

868
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 2: at this time.

869
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: We're getting along good. But I could tell there's a

870
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,280
Speaker 1: little something with Ray. He was a little hesitant.

871
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 2: He's in a range marriage, you know. I mean, yeah,

872
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 2: it's not even in that situation obviously. Even if you

873
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 2: guys have been together since fourteen, Yeah, you've at least

874
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 2: learned how to have disagreements, right, And when you're stuck

875
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 2: together as adults, you don't have the history with each

876
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 2: other to know how to get in and out of

877
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 2: uncomfortable things. You're just kind of like where adults were

878
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,720
Speaker 2: crammed together. Figure, that's really hard regardless of the situation.

879
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: Oh, that's a good point and valid for sure. You're

880
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: exactly right. I mean, I don't even know these guys

881
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: well yet, and we're trying to got a brotherhood. We're

882
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: starting here. I hope this goes well, you know, But

883
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: you're right. We had some struggles along the way. But

884
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: what really happened to what really killed it for us

885
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: early on the band's McBride and the Ride. You know,

886
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: these guys are a big part of that band, but

887
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 1: when we walked into an interview like this, the focus

888
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: and the questions went to me, and those guys are

889
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: sitting there it was killing me at times. I'd try

890
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: to bring him in. You know, Billy just played on

891
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: Hill Billy Rock Marty Stewart's new album, Killed It. You know,

892
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: he's singing harmony on Little E Liza Jane. You know

893
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: Ray just played on the Lie Love It record. You know,

894
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 1: I was trying to anything I could do, and then

895
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,439
Speaker 1: they would say things like, wow, Terry, you're writing these songs.

896
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: You must be making a killing. The money you might

897
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: must be making right now, you're killing it. You know,

898
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: of course we're on a salary. They're on a salary.

899
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: They're not making a killing. I've got my publishing deals

900
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 1: already set before the band and came together, and that

901
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: was a big issue down the road.

902
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 2: You know, it feels like fair resentment.

903
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

904
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 2: Honestly, I mean I would be reful to, but not

905
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 2: because you did anything that I found to be unfair

906
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 2: or lack of integrity.

907
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: That's I could absolutely see it, and I could feel

908
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: it from them like and I liked them personally, still

909
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: do all these years later.

910
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 3: We still like each other and still have fun.

911
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,399
Speaker 1: But with all that being said, Bobby, on the road,

912
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:25,959
Speaker 1: we had the best time.

913
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 3: We laughed and cut up.

914
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: We had so many things in common, you know, and

915
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: the love of what we were doing was the biggest one.

916
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 2: Of course, how were the shows.

917
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:34,479
Speaker 1: They were great.

918
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 3: We were just killing it.

919
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 1: We came out of the box with two singles that

920
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: completely tanked, you know, in typical fashion, they tested the

921
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 1: entire album. The one song that tested the least became

922
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: the hit. This song's never going to make us two

923
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,760
Speaker 1: countries too slow, never going to happen. A little country

924
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: song called can I count on You?

925
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 2: Pay little bit play litve I. Here's a little bit

926
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 2: of a can I count on You? So that's the one.

927
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 2: They thought, what.

928
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 1: That's never gonna make it on a list of one

929
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: to ten. That was ten on the bottom, at the

930
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:13,240
Speaker 1: very bottom.

931
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 3: And what happened.

932
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: Tony Brown said, men, I signed you because of that song,

933
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 1: and we're gon we're gonna go ahead and shoot a

934
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: video on it. We went down to Bill Young. I

935
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: don't know if you've ever heard of Bill Young. He

936
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: was a voiceover guy, paced concerts. He did all those voices,

937
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 1: and he also had a production company was doing those

938
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: Clint Black videos, all those first Clint Black videos. So

939
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,280
Speaker 1: he went down there and he just created this little

940
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 1: heartfelt video. And at the time country videos were exploding.

941
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: They were just kind of coming in to vogue. It

942
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,439
Speaker 1: was so popular and cool and new. We were way

943
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: behind MTV, of course, you know, but they had you know, TNN,

944
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: the Nationale Network had a video thing. CMT was coming

945
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 1: around and the video took off. It was a major,

946
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: major video hit.

947
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 4: It actually felt like the video the song oh most

948
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 4: definitely back then you could call in, you could write in,

949
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 4: you know, and it became the most played video of

950
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:09,280
Speaker 4: that year.

951
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 1: In heavy rotation. It starts off real simple with the

952
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: little cowboy coming out of the shoote steer wrestling and

953
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,439
Speaker 1: he hits the ground on the end of the kid

954
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: cowboy or like maybe a high school guy, a guy

955
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,959
Speaker 1: young guy, and then he hits the ground. This little

956
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: cowgirl and her little cowgirl jeans comes over and he's

957
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 1: dusting himself off. She goes, are you okay? You know

958
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: real country boys and the song stars and then it's

959
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: the struggles of can I count on you as we

960
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: go through life together? And it was just touching, touching,

961
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: and the song is almost like a wedding song too so,

962
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 1: but it connected Bobby in a way as you well know,

963
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: when songs do, there's no stopping it. And so even

964
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: without a lot of hope for us, it saved us,

965
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,439
Speaker 1: sold us some records, it got us on the charts.

966
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: We followed it up with one more single from that album,

967
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: Same Old Star, which wrote with Bill and Ruth and

968
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: Gary Nicholson, who ended up writing a lot of songs

969
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: with over the years. And then that sort of teed

970
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 1: us up for the second album, which was Sacred Grim,

971
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 1: which was a big hit for us, and then we

972
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,760
Speaker 1: had some top five singles off of that that followed

973
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: and another album, and then we were kind of on

974
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: our way. You know. We were far as touring, very popular,

975
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 1: you know, getting lots of opportunities. As everybody was in

976
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 1: the nineties, we were having success.

977
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 5: You know, the Bobby Cast will be right back, Welcome

978
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 5: back to the Bobby Cast.

979
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 2: How was the dynamic at this point?

980
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: It was good, but I could see even as our

981
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: success was growing, Ray was still struggling with it, you know.

982
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, and then.

983
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,919
Speaker 1: As we got further into it, there became even more

984
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: focus on me. They were wanting to, you know, we've

985
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,959
Speaker 1: got to really do something. Maybe Terry McBride and the Ride.

986
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: Now you know, and he just felt like this wasn't

987
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: going to be a place for him anymore. They're going

988
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: to push him out of his own band, you know.

989
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: And he and Billy kind of got to get other

990
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: and then we all got together and talked, and we

991
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: had already had some struggles. I remember I was in

992
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City and they we came in one day and

993
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 1: they said, Man, here's the deal moving forward. We're gonna

994
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: start sharing all the publishing on everything you write. You know.

995
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: I said, well, I get it. I hear where you're

996
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: coming from. But already have a publishing deal. You know.

997
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: If I split that piece with your pieces, ilive up

998
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: with more than I I will, it's going to be

999
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: it's not gonna win nobody. So fortunately Tony Brown, the manager,

1000
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: set us all down, said, listen, Terry writes all the time.

1001
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 1: You guys, you.

1002
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 3: Want to write, start writing.

1003
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: If that's what you want to do, bring in some

1004
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,879
Speaker 1: songs like Terry does you know. They they ended up

1005
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: saying a lot of stuff that I didn't have to

1006
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: say and didn't have to.

1007
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 3: Get involved in it, really, but that's where we left it.

1008
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 1: Still didn't make it perfect, still didn't mend everything that

1009
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: was hurting at the time obviously, and then then the

1010
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 1: band broke up. That was it?

1011
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 2: What was the last And I want to say, Straw,

1012
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 2: it was just an unfair situation to put all year

1013
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 2: at the beginning. Honestly, it's so hard for that to

1014
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 2: be healthy. Oh, it wasn't started in a healthy way.

1015
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: If we were a band growing up, like you said,

1016
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: if we'd established a tool, here's what we need to do.

1017
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 3: We're gonna write these songs together.

1018
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: Now that's what we're doing, of course, So I'm going

1019
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: to I'm making the extra mile of whatever I need

1020
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: to do to include them in everything we do, because

1021
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: there's still moments where you know, we'll go to these

1022
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 1: shows Ladies and Gentle with Terry McBride and the Ride.

1023
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: You know it's not Terry McBride and the Ride, but

1024
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: you know they have to deal with it all the

1025
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 1: time still. But we're so much older now that stuff

1026
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: doesn't sting like it did back then. When you want

1027
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 1: to be a part of something and you know you

1028
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: are a part of something.

1029
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 2: What was the plan for everybody went? Because okay, the

1030
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 2: band's breaking up, then what does everybody have a plan?

1031
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 3: No, there's no plan.

1032
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: There's me moving forward with a whole new band of

1033
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 1: that I didn't want to do. I wanted to do

1034
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 1: a solo record, you know, I said, let me do

1035
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 1: solo record. No, there's value in the band, the name,

1036
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: the brand, you know. And so I did one more record,

1037
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: and I was just burnt. I wasn't writing a lot.

1038
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: I wrote one song about my dad he had passed

1039
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: away at fifty five years old, and one kind of

1040
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: heartfelt tune. But I just wasn't doing what I needed

1041
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 1: to do to keep my career going.

1042
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 2: You know, your dad I fifty five.

1043
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, he died. He got a rare form of brain cancer. Shocking.

1044
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 1: You know.

1045
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 3: My great grandmother was one hundred and two.

1046
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 1: We thought, oh, we're going to live forever, you know, genetically,

1047
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 1: genetically we got a shot here. You know, she's living

1048
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: at a time when people don't make it that long.

1049
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: And my grandparents were both olderly and but my dad

1050
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: just suddenly had this sort of a not a seizure,

1051
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: but a paralysis while he was mowing the yard one day.

1052
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,439
Speaker 2: And they credit that day maybe the words do they

1053
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 2: blame that? Yeah, anything, and his lifestyle.

1054
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 3: It's so rare form that he had.

1055
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: Bobby there was just all we had was a million

1056
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: questions and no answers to it at all. They tried

1057
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 1: experimental whatever, and in the beginning it was so small

1058
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: it wasn't even able to detect it with X ray

1059
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: and all that they had to go through. But it

1060
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: started growing so quickly that it affected everything, his speech,

1061
00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: his ability to play.

1062
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 2: Everything, get to see ub sic that's just.

1063
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: The very beginnings of it. He was really in a

1064
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: bad way. But I played Austin and there was a

1065
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: place called Dance across Texas if you remember that or not,

1066
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: Massive honky Tonk, and I remember the guys from George

1067
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 1: Straight Banding called me Ben and MacArthur at that day

1068
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 1: and he goes, Terry, I just drove by. You got

1069
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: a line all the way around the building. Man, it's

1070
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: going to be killer, you know. And I thought, oh,

1071
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: it's great. So my dad came that night and really

1072
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,919
Speaker 1: got to see that crowd just you know, frenzy, great

1073
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:29,919
Speaker 1: screaming crowd. You know, it was so much fun.

1074
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 2: But he was really understand me. Oh yeah, so he

1075
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 2: could see the early part of your success.

1076
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:37,479
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. He's like, I'm gonna get on the bus.

1077
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 2: That's all going to do.

1078
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,919
Speaker 1: Some things together. I thought, yeah, we will, it'll be great,

1079
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,919
Speaker 1: you know, And and all along my career is taken

1080
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: off and there he is. He's dying, you know, and

1081
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: only good the only good thing about and there's really

1082
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: nothing good about it. But the only thing we salvaged

1083
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 1: from it was before I moved, I was taking him

1084
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: to all of his treatments, you know, I would take

1085
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: into Scott and White Hospital over and Temple and uh,

1086
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 1: you know, experimental radiation, experimental chemo, and but we'd have

1087
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: some talks that you just normally wouldn't have had, you know.

1088
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: So I was getting it all out there. Whatever I

1089
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: wanted to tell him, and whatever I wanted to know

1090
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: about him. You know, he was, he was. He was

1091
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,720
Speaker 1: explaining it to me and not and not hiding anything.

1092
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: At that point.

1093
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 2: Was he able to talk to you a little more

1094
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 2: as a peer, because again he had done all your dad,

1095
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 2: But but now you're in, you're committed, you've been grinding too.

1096
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:26,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1097
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 2: Was there a level of peer to peer somewhat musically

1098
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 2: at that point or was it just he was sick

1099
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 2: and he knew it and you guys were just bonding.

1100
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was so sick and it's like, man, don't

1101
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: lose you lose your health, you lose everything.

1102
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 3: I remember having those talks with me.

1103
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 1: But he also, you know, here's my dad kind of

1104
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 1: in a nutshell. He's just very realistic about things because

1105
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: he struggled, you know a lot. And so when I

1106
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: got the record deal, they sent me the contract. You know,

1107
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, there it is, you know. And prior

1108
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: to this, my closest brush with fame being in a

1109
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 1: label was it was Tone Brown passing on me with

1110
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: the MCA rainbow letterhead. I was, I've almost made it.

1111
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 3: That was the biggest day I've had.

1112
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: Bobby, I went the log I still have it, Bobby,

1113
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,240
Speaker 1: I still have it with my rejection. It's a basic

1114
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 1: form letter with Tony's signature on at the bottom. I went,

1115
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: oh my god, Tony Brown has just passed on me.

1116
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's going to get any better

1117
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: than that. You know, the guy that I adore the most.

1118
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 1: You know, it's just passed on me. And I'll be

1119
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 1: darning if he didn't end up signing me. Almost years later.

1120
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: But when I did sign that contract, I remember my

1121
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: dad going, son, you know, it's a contract. It's a

1122
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: major label, but it doesn't guarantee a dang thing, you know,

1123
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 1: and you know, not exactly the response I was hoping for,

1124
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: but I got it. I understood where he was coming from,

1125
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: you know, and he was pulling for me. My dad

1126
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: was that kind of guy where I'd ruin to people

1127
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: later after you pass and people would say you're dead.

1128
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 1: He was so proud of you, you know. It was like,

1129
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 1: I appreciate you saying that. You know, I wish I'd

1130
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:57,959
Speaker 1: seen a little bit more of that. It just wasn't

1131
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 1: any like I said, He's very stoic kind of individual.

1132
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: He wasn't gonna pat you on the back a lot.

1133
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 1: My early experience was in the band. He'd go Terry,

1134
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: he'd go the band's dragging Terry. You know, he let

1135
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: me know things weren't happening the way they should.

1136
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 2: Be really proud of you, but he was.

1137
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 1: I heard it from so many people, you know, that

1138
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 1: were close to him over especially as he was slowly

1139
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: passing away, you know, struggling with his disease. But yeah,

1140
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: it was. It was a tough time, man, because I

1141
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 1: just moved here. I just left my home, my family uprooted,

1142
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:35,479
Speaker 1: my daughter and my wife and things were going, things

1143
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 1: were going well, except for that. In the back of

1144
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: my mind constantly, you know, worried about my dad, you know,

1145
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: but he quickly went to a nursing home. He's just

1146
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: as sad as it can get. You know. He's fifty

1147
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 1: five year old guy.

1148
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:45,879
Speaker 2: That's what's crazy. He's fifty five.

1149
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 1: I'm sixty four. It's shocking. When I was fifty five,

1150
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: I went, boy, this isn't fair, you know, but what is?

1151
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: At times I felt the same.

1152
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 2: My mom died in her forties from drugs and alcohol.

1153
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 2: And I don't know a kid, because she had me

1154
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 2: at sixteen. She just turned sixteen, and so I remember thinking,

1155
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 2: and I guess she was like my age low, Like

1156
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 2: that's so old. That's good. And now I'm here and

1157
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, that is not there.

1158
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 3: No, Like that sucks.

1159
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't know about your mom. But

1160
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: my dad was always a fairly healthy guy. He wasn't

1161
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: a smoker, he wasn't a drinker at all. It's really

1162
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 1: more religious. He eventually became born again. That took him

1163
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: down a path where he stopped doing a lot of

1164
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 1: music and things he was doing. He was trying to

1165
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 1: do some you know, country Christian music and things. It

1166
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: just wasn't working and it wasn't going well. Then he

1167
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: started selling storage buildings and mobile homes. He tried to

1168
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: do other things that he really wasn't qualified or experienced

1169
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 1: in doing either. He was just trying stuff, you know,

1170
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 1: and still playing on the weekends and doing stuff. But

1171
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,399
Speaker 1: it's just like not not like he used to and then.

1172
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 1: But you know, the good thing is I've been here

1173
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 1: to all that those guitars that I grew up with, Oh,

1174
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 1: I have them all.

1175
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 2: Oh you bet they still play.

1176
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: Oh man, Robbie, I've got a sixty seven epiphone casino

1177
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 1: my dad bought new. And it's just I mean, I

1178
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 1: had Chris Stableton over one day, and Chris likes to

1179
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: play whatever you have. You know, he worked the whole room,

1180
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 1: you know, but I let him play that guitar because

1181
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: I just kind of gotten it out of storage and

1182
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:15,439
Speaker 1: put some strings on it.

1183
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 3: It needed a little work.

1184
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: But he played it that day and said, Terry, this

1185
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 1: might be the best guitar I've ever played. You know,

1186
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: I thought I knew it was something special, just the

1187
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:27,280
Speaker 1: feel of it, wonderful, small neck oo, you know, incredible action,

1188
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 1: so I use that guitar a lot. I like to

1189
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: bring into guys who play well because they love it,

1190
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 1: you know. And a nineteen sixty baseman that he bought new,

1191
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 1: a little reverb head that goes with it, a D

1192
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: eighteen from that same year of sixty seven, and then

1193
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 1: a three thirty five it was his. I have all that.

1194
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 2: Do you take any of that on the road?

1195
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: The epiphone, I have a lot. I do like a

1196
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: solo show, all right. I like to bring a couple

1197
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 1: different guitars or three to mix it up a little bit,

1198
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 1: try to make a show out of it, you know.

1199
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: And I'll play, like, play something country and I'll do

1200
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 1: the lick and try to rock out on that and

1201
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 1: it's great for that that particular song. And then I

1202
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: bring a little classical. I do a little Willie Nelson

1203
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,839
Speaker 1: a segment where I, you know, pay my respects and

1204
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 1: how much will he meant to me? And but yeah,

1205
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: I love things like that. I love stuff that you

1206
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: can use as well.

1207
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 2: You know.

1208
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 3: Having it is is.

1209
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: Great, but using it is really the payoff for sure,

1210
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: the big, the big reason for still keeping it. I

1211
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 1: can't imagine ere parting with other kids will get all

1212
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: that stuff someday.

1213
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 5: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor.

1214
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 2: This is the Bobby Cast. Are you excited to be

1215
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 2: on the road with the guys again?

1216
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,800
Speaker 1: Well, we're having fun and we're not It's not glamorous

1217
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 1: by any means. I mean, you know, the buses have

1218
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: priced themselves out of our our range, and we're doing okay.

1219
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: And still it's just ridiculous, you know. We just we

1220
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,720
Speaker 1: can't tour like that anymore. So we say the box truck,

1221
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 1: we fly a lot of dates and then we get

1222
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 1: a suburban. They're only four of us, you know. And

1223
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: we also have Bruce Bouton, who's an eighteen session guy forever.

1224
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: He played on Sacred Ground back in ninety two, and uh,

1225
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 1: we're fortunate to have him in the band. And and

1226
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 1: it's fun, man. We the guys still play great. Billy's

1227
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,839
Speaker 1: in the Time Jumpers with you know, they play every

1228
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: Monday night a third And Lindsley Ray still plays on

1229
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: all the While records, and he has a club out

1230
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: in Scottsdale his family's owned for fifty years that he

1231
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 1: now owns and they have live music there four ninths

1232
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:32,800
Speaker 1: a week. He plays in that band. So these guys,

1233
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 1: we've all been playing and singing, so it's not like

1234
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: we all had to, you know, convince somebody to get

1235
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: back to playing, and it's everybody's still doing it. Billy

1236
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 1: still does sessions, and everybody's still very active, you know,

1237
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 1: so it helps when we get together. I had to

1238
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: learn all these songs again, you know, sing them and

1239
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 1: remember them. And I play bass in the band and

1240
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,280
Speaker 1: sing leads. So it's a little different animal.

1241
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 2: So you're basing now, but when you're doing shows, when

1242
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 2: you were playing, But do you ever play bass at all? Yeah,

1243
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:02,479
Speaker 2: he like normally without the band.

1244
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 1: No.

1245
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:04,320
Speaker 2: Oh, that's what I was going to say, Like, you're back,

1246
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 2: I'm to the bass.

1247
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, something I've done off and on my whole life.

1248
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 1: I mean, it's an instrument that when I was thirteen,

1249
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 1: maybe twelve, my dad said, here's the deal, son, you

1250
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:17,959
Speaker 1: want to grow up and be in my band, here's

1251
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 1: what's going to happen. I'm the guitar player. I need

1252
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 1: a bass player. I can't find a good bass player,

1253
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:24,959
Speaker 1: you know. And so he took me to a pawn

1254
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: shop over in Coppers Cove, Texas, and we found this

1255
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 1: litt lesson g copy brought it home and man, I

1256
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 1: loved it. It was four strings. It was really simple.

1257
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 1: It was like guitar simplified, you know, no chords, finding

1258
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:41,720
Speaker 1: the key you're in and working around it and keeping

1259
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:43,919
Speaker 1: it simple, which my dad really that's all he wanted

1260
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: from a bass player. But my dad had these massive

1261
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: chord charts, and so early on I could sit in

1262
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 1: with the band and play anything because I could. He

1263
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: taught me to read these chord charts very simple. Just

1264
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: follow the chords and then check the ending, either for

1265
00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 1: one or two endings and a coda. You had to

1266
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: look for the coda, which would take you back to

1267
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: the top. But once you figured that out, it was

1268
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 1: relatively easy, you know, and after you do it a while,

1269
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: it becomes even easier, you know. So I was out

1270
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,479
Speaker 1: doing that my summer year. In my eighth grade summer year,

1271
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: I played all summer with my dad. His bass player

1272
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:15,280
Speaker 1: got thrown in jail.

1273
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,360
Speaker 2: I mean that that's school right there. I mean, now

1274
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 2: the jail part are you having to play?

1275
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: Oh, Bobby? My experienced part of that was my dad

1276
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 1: would bring me up as a young child and he

1277
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: I want to be in the show, so bad that

1278
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 1: somehow around my dad, I ended up slapping my face,

1279
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: my cheeks and making sounds. You know, I could move

1280
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 1: my mouth, I could open it or close it and

1281
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 1: tone and make different you know notes. Is what I

1282
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 1: was doing, just for fun. And my dad took that

1283
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 1: idea and created a segment in the show where I

1284
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:51,319
Speaker 1: would come out of the crowd as a ten year

1285
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 1: old kid and I would play the William Teil overture

1286
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 1: on my face.

1287
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 2: What do you say it was?

1288
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 1: You?

1289
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 2: Oh?

1290
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 1: Yes, I want to get my son to come up

1291
00:55:58,840 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 1: here and do a little something.

1292
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 2: That's what you do it, Okay, Now he's gonna do

1293
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:01,439
Speaker 2: a little before.

1294
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 3: Now I's gonna do a little something for you.

1295
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 2: Come up here, Come up here, Terry.

1296
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 1: So I come up here, and I would, and then

1297
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 1: I'd even milk the ending. I'd ended with a little,

1298
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 1: you know, cool little thing for the crowd. Of course,

1299
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 1: you know, I'm ten years old, look like I'm six,

1300
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 1: and the crowd would go wild. You know. Now fast forward,

1301
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 1: I'm in my teens and my dad still likes for

1302
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 1: me to do this thing. You know, I'm dating, and

1303
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:26,240
Speaker 1: I'm you know, it's not so much fun for me anymore.

1304
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: You know, even while I'm been playing bass in my

1305
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 1: dad's band. Now Terry Come. And then finally I had

1306
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 1: to talk with him. You know, Dad, love you love

1307
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 1: being the band. But I don't want to do that anymore.

1308
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:39,800
Speaker 1: You know, I'm eighteen, I would exactly, I'm thirty seven.

1309
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 1: I don't want you know, no, I wasn't. But I

1310
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 1: finally got him to back off of the wood util overture.

1311
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 1: But but but I would go out in the summers.

1312
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 1: I'd take my little base, you know, and my dad

1313
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 1: would let me sit in. The guys in the band

1314
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 1: were cool. I knew everybody, and I knew him and

1315
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 1: on the road with him. But one night down in Texas,

1316
00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 1: this young bass player had been overserved and also had

1317
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: something with my dad that he didn't like.

1318
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 3: You know, there was something going on.

1319
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 1: When you're young, you don't know what the heck is

1320
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 1: going on like that. But he wanted to fight my

1321
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 1: dad after the show, and he did. He tried to

1322
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 1: pick a fight with my dad. And what he did

1323
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 1: he picked up a chair in the lobby of the

1324
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 1: hotel and threw it at my dad. My dad ducked

1325
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 1: and it went through the front window of the lobby.

1326
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: Of the hotel shattered the whole window out, and so

1327
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 1: the cops came. Yeah, yeah, and so I'm shocked.

1328
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 3: I'm I'm frightened.

1329
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: I mean, seeing somebody want to fight your dad is

1330
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: pretty scary, you know. And I think my dad could

1331
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 1: have handled himself. He's six foot tall, healthy guy, but

1332
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 1: instead the cops came took this young guy to jail.

1333
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 3: The next morning, my dad got me.

1334
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 1: We went to his room, packed up all of his clothes,

1335
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 1: put in his suitcase, and we went down to jail.

1336
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 1: And when I got there, you know, I'm I'm young,

1337
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 1: I'm thirteen. I've never been in jail yet, you know.

1338
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 1: So so I go in jail and there's the bass

1339
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 1: player and I can see him in the bag. He's

1340
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 1: peering out through the bars and he's been crying all night.

1341
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: You can tell his hair is all missed up. He

1342
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 1: looks horrible, and he's waiting. I think his mom is

1343
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 1: coming to get him. You know, they've got him in jail.

1344
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 1: So we left his luggage. I went back that night.

1345
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 1: I plugged into his amp and I had the gig

1346
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 1: for the whole summer. I played all the way up

1347
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 1: until my freshman year started.

1348
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was thank God for that chair.

1349
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 1: Huh.

1350
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

1351
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 1: If I didn't have the bug, which of course already did,

1352
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 1: I was. I thought I was in the band. I

1353
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 1: didn't want to go to high school. I tried to

1354
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 1: tell my dad, listen, I'm in the band, I'm doing

1355
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 1: a good job, and the guys seem okay with it,

1356
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 1: and I'm your guy, you know, but he was not

1357
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 1: going to have it.

1358
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 2: I want to play a little bit of Marlborough's and Avon,

1359
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 2: which is cool from McBride and The Ride, which, by

1360
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 2: the way, you have to put out a full like

1361
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:50,439
Speaker 2: EP in July.

1362
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 1: You bet? Is that right? That's coming? You bet?

1363
00:58:52,200 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 2: Here you go, Mike, the Smell, Marbles and Navel. You

1364
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 2: like putting on new music again under under McBrien The Ride.

1365
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 1: You bet? Yeah, it's fun to hear those songs kind

1366
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 1: of come together with the guys. We're playing everything and

1367
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 1: singing everything like we did back in the day, and

1368
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 1: it's an outlet for us that we probably need, you know.

1369
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 1: I didn't know whatever happened. Again, We didn't leave on

1370
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 1: bad terms, but it was not great. It was a

1371
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:25,919
Speaker 1: lot of emotional stuff going on there at the time.

1372
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 1: You know, and I had to buy the name from

1373
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 1: the guys. It was a lot of that stuff, you know,

1374
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 1: and they figured it would probably never happen. But I

1375
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 1: went out to scott Still about three or four years ago.

1376
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 1: I played this beautiful musical instrument Museum theater and I

1377
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 1: invited Ray out because we've always stayed in touch, Billy

1378
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 1: and Ray, and I said, come out, man, I'm just

1379
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 1: doing this solo show. And then I got him up.

1380
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 1: We sang Sacred Ground the Boy. The next day I

1381
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 1: lit a fire under him. You know, He's like, man,

1382
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 1: we're still We're still at the age of we could

1383
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 1: be doing this, we should be doing it. We called Billy,

1384
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: got together, visited, got together and sang.

1385
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 3: It was really good. Everybody still sings well.

1386
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 1: And we thought the nineties is popular, you know, we

1387
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 1: we had some hits. Let's see if there's some opportunities

1388
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 1: out there, you know, and and fortunately they were. There

1389
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 1: were some people really interested. And you know, I tell

1390
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 1: people like, how's it going. It's like, well, we're sixty

1391
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 1: year old guys singing thirty year old songs and people

1392
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 1: showing up to hear it, you know, and it's it's

1393
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 1: pretty fun. It's not all all great. I mean, we're

1394
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 1: playing this dnim Fest this week and we're the baby act,

1395
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 1: the oldest baby act for the weekend. You know, but

1396
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 1: we'll it's an opportunity, you.

1397
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 2: Know, that's fun though.

1398
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 1: We'll get up and kick ass like we do every night,

1399
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: and and something good will come from it. I have

1400
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 1: no doubt of that.

1401
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 2: You know, if you weren't still good, it'd be different.

1402
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're struggling and wheeling. Somebody out there maybe, Yeah,

1403
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 1: I've seen that side you. I mean, I went on

1404
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 1: the country music cruise and I called my friend. I said, man,

1405
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 1: there are more walkers and scooters and rascal abouts out here,

1406
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 1: and I said, that's just the artist.

1407
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 2: You know.

1408
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 1: It was shocking what it could you know, as we

1409
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 1: continue to go down this road. But while we're while

1410
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 1: we're all steal in good shape, why not, you know,

1411
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 1: it's fun. We like the rock. We were always a

1412
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 1: very energetic band. We had a lot of hits for

1413
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 1: there were ballads, so when people came to see us,

1414
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 1: they were kind of surprised. But we're very uh, you know,

1415
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 1: an accomplished players raised. Just a tremendous guitar player that

1416
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 1: you have to have and he has this little thin

1417
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 1: Gibson chet on a stand. He walks up and plays

1418
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:28,959
Speaker 1: acoustic and he has electric and our lap our steel

1419
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 1: player plays lap and you know, we're all singing. It's

1420
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 1: a lot for a four piece band. It's way bigger

1421
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 1: than what you think it is when you see us

1422
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 1: take the stage, you know, but we can hold our

1423
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 1: own out there, and it's it's it's fun.

1424
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 3: It's really been good.

1425
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 1: Not every show is, you know, packed houses and things

1426
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 1: like that, but it's really picked up since we first

1427
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:50,439
Speaker 1: got started doing this just a couple of years ago.

1428
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 2: Well, I go to Terry McBride music at Terry McBride

1429
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 2: music on Instagram. Where can they go? The dates up

1430
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 2: there for the shows, But I would think they would

1431
01:01:58,440 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 2: be Yeah, and I didn't look out before.

1432
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 3: We came bride TheRide dot com.

1433
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 1: Everything that's easier, everything about us and what we're doing,

1434
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 1: especially tour dates are on there for sure.

1435
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 2: Man, congratulations, super cools. I mean, that's super cool that

1436
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 2: you guys are doing it again.

1437
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's been fun. You have to come

1438
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 1: see you sometime. We get in town. We played third

1439
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 1: and Linsley.

1440
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 2: A cop I'm not going to get like it's motion sickness.

1441
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 1: Well, that's probably my last. It's just not my thing.

1442
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 1: I did the second one by myself. I did Delbert's

1443
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 1: Clue Cruise one year. It was fun, the roughest sea, Bobby.

1444
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 1: It was shocking, my first cruise ever, and the ocean

1445
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 1: was just violent at times, couldn't even have events outside.

1446
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 1: I walked down that twilight zone hallway and the ship

1447
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 1: was just rising and falling. I thought I would. I

1448
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 1: had my sea band on, I had my dramamine. I

1449
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 1: did everything I possibly could, but I had to go

1450
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:52,040
Speaker 1: back to my room and I watched my curtains go

1451
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 1: back and forth, had.

1452
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 2: A pin and hearing this was visualizing it. I'm getting emotions.

1453
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 1: I had a pin on my table and I watched

1454
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:02,840
Speaker 1: it roll back, and I mean this in those ships

1455
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 1: were like Norwegian, They're not big, They're not the Carnival Cruise.

1456
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 1: They're small, so it gets tossed around in a way

1457
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 1: that those big ships sometimes don't. But it's just not

1458
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:16,320
Speaker 1: my my thing. Being there for a week, you're you know,

1459
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 1: just I met a lot of great people.

1460
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 2: That part of it was justified to me.

1461
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 1: No, No, I have a little bit of that feeling too.

1462
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 1: I've got seasick when I was young in the Gulf

1463
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 1: of Mexico and that was in the back of my mind,

1464
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 1: and that's a horrible feeling, one of the worst experiences

1465
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 1: I've ever had.

1466
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 2: Well, I like that as a positive note. Seis you

1467
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 2: guys follow at Terry McBride music on Instagram, same thing

1468
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 2: on TikTok go watch McBride and the Ride and the

1469
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 2: whole ep comes out in July Marlborough and Avon now

1470
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 2: and it's been awesome. We've done a hour, have we really, Mike,

1471
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 2: wait an hour?

1472
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 1: I want to tell you before we get off of here.

1473
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I've I've been following you kind of since

1474
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:58,919
Speaker 1: you literally I'm stalking you. I know the codes now,

1475
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 1: so you'll be seeing more of me, Bobby. But I've

1476
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't know you were doing the podcast,

1477
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 1: you know, until I got the invite, So I started

1478
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 1: doing a little little searching, started listening, and dang it, man,

1479
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 1: you've you've hooked me.

1480
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 3: Now, I've I'm into at least.

1481
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 1: Several of them, and I've really enjoyed learning things I

1482
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 1: didn't know, like Bailey Zimmerman.

1483
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 3: You know, that's it.

1484
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 1: If there was a modern day success story that kid's

1485
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 1: got it, you know, but it's but not there. The

1486
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 1: the one that I just finished up was the one

1487
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 1: with was it Patrick Hicks? Yeah?

1488
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 3: I had no idea who that person.

1489
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 2: Was, but the guy on TikTok who I didn't either.

1490
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

1491
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:39,200
Speaker 3: Once I got into it, then I.

1492
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 2: Was so good. Yeah, he's I really love music. I mean,

1493
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 2: that's why this time for me to sit with you.

1494
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 2: We get an hour, right, it's not a six minute

1495
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 2: radio hit. Yeah, it's not okay five six the standard

1496
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 2: questions you get over and over again.

1497
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1498
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 2: We get to talk about things like your dad. Yeah,

1499
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 2: I get to talk about things like the good parts

1500
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 2: the bad. So I just really appreciate it.

1501
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 1: Well likewise, man, I I enjoy it. It was I

1502
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:02,560
Speaker 1: didn't realize how long we had gone.

1503
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 2: But that's the right amount. He's apologizing. I'm sorry, I

1504
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 2: was so good for an hour. No, that's how this works, Terry, my.

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Speaker 1: Good looking out of there, no editing?

1506
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Speaker 2: All right, cool, Terry McBride music, Go follow him.

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Speaker 5: Terry, thank you, Thank you man, thanks for listening to

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Speaker 5: a Bobby Cast production