WEBVTT - The Butcher Gets a Pardon: John Factor

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Saren Elizabeth, Saren Elizabeth, what's up? How are you doing? Good?

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<v Speaker 3>Good listen? You know what's ridiculous?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, I'm so glad you asked. I've been

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<v Speaker 2>waiting to tell you. Game of Thrones. Yeah, that's pretty right. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>you know the Knights watch you know nothing, John Snow, No,

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<v Speaker 2>you know the show? Right? Okay, there's a show called Throne.

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<v Speaker 3>I've not seen it.

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<v Speaker 2>You've never seen.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I you know, I joke say.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't watch TV.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I watch a hell of a lot of TV,

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<v Speaker 3>but I've actually I don't watch You've.

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<v Speaker 2>Never seen Game of Thrones, not even a single minute. No,

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen like a minute or okay, we are you

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<v Speaker 2>familiar that there are guys on the show who are

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<v Speaker 2>wearing big furry black jackets. You've seen them. Sure, they're

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<v Speaker 2>called the Knight's Watch. Okay, right now, those big dope

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<v Speaker 2>black shag that they're wearing. It turns out that those

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<v Speaker 2>were made from they look like their enormous bear skin

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<v Speaker 2>rug like some kind of like what wear yak, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>exactly like saber to wear yak. Anyway, So those are

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<v Speaker 2>actually a Kia rug get out. They were like shaggy

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<v Speaker 2>white Ikea floor rugs that they then died black and

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<v Speaker 2>then they like tailored into coat. So the next time

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<v Speaker 2>you watch the Night's watch those are Ikea rug very clever.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry to spoil that show, but it's spoiled itself.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, from what I've heard. Yeah, no, that's very cool.

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<v Speaker 2>That ridiculous. That is ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm going to be doing that, ma, getting all

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<v Speaker 2>my clothing at Ikea floor shows.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, this sounds good, I'll drive you do you know

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<v Speaker 3>what else is ridiculous? No, that's why I'm here holding

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<v Speaker 3>out on legs, Diamond. No, this is ridiculous crime a

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<v Speaker 3>podcast about absurd and outrageous capers. Heis and cons It's

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<v Speaker 3>always ninety nine percent murder free, one percent ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>You damn right. Welcome back.

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<v Speaker 3>Once upon a time there were two boys, Maximilian and

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<v Speaker 3>Yako Okay, half brothers, fifteen years apart in age. The

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<v Speaker 3>family lived in Poland at like the turn of the

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<v Speaker 3>twentieth century. They were hard workers, but terribly poor. Maximilian,

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<v Speaker 3>he had been working since the age of eight. When

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<v Speaker 3>he was nine, he got a job as an apprentice

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<v Speaker 3>for a wig maker. Had work. Yeah, a nine year

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<v Speaker 3>old in a wig.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there's that, I'm sure from there had some chemicals

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<v Speaker 2>that are not good for sure, his skins turning blue.

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<v Speaker 3>He got a job at a cosmetics and hairstyling company

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<v Speaker 3>in Berlin, and then by the time he was fourteen,

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<v Speaker 3>he was working at a wig maker and cosmetician in Moscow. Wow,

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<v Speaker 3>dolling up the Imperial Russian Grand Opera thirteen years old.

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<v Speaker 2>Whoa, I forget the child labor laws. I'm impressed with his.

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<v Speaker 3>Talents and the time, the speed is Yeah. So he's

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<v Speaker 3>served in the Imperial Army in Russia for a spell,

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<v Speaker 3>and then he opened a shop and he sold handmade makeup,

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<v Speaker 3>perfume and wigs and yeah, this nice thing. All of

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<v Speaker 3>the theater folks loved and used his products.

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<v Speaker 2>They were so into it. He's innovative too.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well he was, and he was eventually chosen as

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<v Speaker 3>the official cosmetics expert for the Russian royal family and

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<v Speaker 3>as well as the opera.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you do for a living? I am the

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<v Speaker 2>cosmetics expert for the royal family.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah that sounds good. It drew a lot of attention

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<v Speaker 3>to him and his young family. But not all of

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<v Speaker 3>it good because I've mentioned in other episodes that there

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<v Speaker 3>was incredible anti Semitism in Eastern Europe at the time.

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<v Speaker 3>Ah yes, not just discriminatory but violence.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, not real life. Yeah bad so.

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<v Speaker 3>In nineteen oh four, at the age of twenty seven,

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<v Speaker 3>Maximilian and his family went to America. Good call, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a common story. Once there, they met up with

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<v Speaker 3>his older brother in Saint Louis. Meet me in Saint Louis.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, They said, sure, and I'll be there.

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<v Speaker 3>But what of Yakka?

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<v Speaker 2>What of Yakika? I've been wondering about old Yaka.

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<v Speaker 3>He and the rest of the family met up with

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<v Speaker 3>Maximilian two years later, in nineteen oh six.

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<v Speaker 2>Ye Echo was twelve. Is I like Jacob Jacob?

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<v Speaker 3>Ye so Maximilian And that's m A K S Y

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<v Speaker 3>M I L I A N whoa.

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<v Speaker 2>I love this totally.

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<v Speaker 3>He was taking the world by storm, folks. Maximilian Factrowitz

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<v Speaker 3>was a hit.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wait a minute, I'm hearing it now, you don't.

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<v Speaker 3>He had the opportunity to sell his cosmetics at the

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen oh four World Fare U huh. He changed his

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<v Speaker 3>name to something easier for Anglo Americans to pronounce something

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<v Speaker 3>punchy memorable.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Unfortunately, his business partner made off with all of the

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<v Speaker 3>stock in the profits.

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<v Speaker 2>He changed his name to Maybell Maybelene.

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<v Speaker 3>Go On Loriel. So Maximilian was crushed. Absolutely. His family

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<v Speaker 3>was there for him though. They helped him open a

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<v Speaker 3>barber shop in Saint Louis.

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<v Speaker 2>How about I know you've been.

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<v Speaker 3>High flying and doing how we want to cut hair

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<v Speaker 3>at a barbershop?

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<v Speaker 2>How about shaven haircut too?

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<v Speaker 3>But was the sweet hair?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 3>Not me no, So it would be a good business

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<v Speaker 3>for him though as he got back on his.

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<v Speaker 2>Feet, people need to do hair all the time, totally.

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<v Speaker 3>People have hair, they need hair.

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<v Speaker 2>They need to cut all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>People like to gather up the hair at the barber

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<v Speaker 3>shop and like save it.

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<v Speaker 2>Like Elvis for dinner, save it and bring it over

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<v Speaker 2>as a treat delectables. So anyway, let's discuss.

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<v Speaker 3>But he didn't give up on his dream though. A

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<v Speaker 3>few years later shop is doing really great business and

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<v Speaker 3>he even brought his half brother Yako into the mix.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I said, Maximilian wanted more. He headed to Los

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<v Speaker 3>Angeles and he opened a shop selling hair care products,

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<v Speaker 3>and he positioned himself to be like the makeup guy

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<v Speaker 3>in the new filming.

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<v Speaker 2>Ow under his new name sl Right.

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<v Speaker 3>So then soon all of the starlets they wanted his

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<v Speaker 3>his you know what his name was, what and wild?

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<v Speaker 3>All of the starlets want it his service. Uh, everyone

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to slett me say one more time. All the

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<v Speaker 3>starlets wanted to service.

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<v Speaker 2>They wanted services.

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<v Speaker 3>Glorious Wanson, Mary Pickford.

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<v Speaker 2>Need services, Jean Harlowe loved.

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<v Speaker 3>The services for the services, Beddie Davis service, Queen Lucille

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<v Speaker 3>Ball and friend of the show Judy Garland. Yeah, he

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<v Speaker 3>had all the luminaries. He invented Clara Bo's heart shaped liplow.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that was the that's huge.

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<v Speaker 3>He also pretty much invented like pancake makeup foundation.

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<v Speaker 2>Clara Bo was the first girl. She was the first

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<v Speaker 2>time we had like, oh, this is the coolest person

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<v Speaker 2>is because of him. Yeah, I'm saying that's he created

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<v Speaker 2>the look that everybody wanted under.

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<v Speaker 3>He did this all under a new name that he'd

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<v Speaker 3>given himself and eventual cosmetics Empire Max Factor.

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<v Speaker 2>Down. I was so certain it was.

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<v Speaker 3>No affect Horowitz. So while Max Factor was making the

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<v Speaker 3>beauty he's in Hollywood even more beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>What of Young?

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<v Speaker 3>Let yo?

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<v Speaker 2>What of Young?

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<v Speaker 3>Asked that, we asked that all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>He found.

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<v Speaker 3>He changed his name to Eve Saint Laurel. No, he

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<v Speaker 3>was still in Saint Louis, still cutting hand.

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<v Speaker 2>He's now known as Rudolph Valentino.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, he changed his name too, though, and he kind

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<v Speaker 3>of shortened it like Max did. He became John Factor.

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<v Speaker 3>John he's got the John factors max factor, max factor

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<v Speaker 3>that sings. That sounds like you're in a spaceship. We've

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<v Speaker 3>hit Max Factor.

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<v Speaker 2>No, John Factor, non factor sounds like something that's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>he's the new host of the show. I don't watch

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<v Speaker 2>John Factor.

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<v Speaker 3>Because of this job that he had cutting her, he

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<v Speaker 3>would later earn a nickname that he hated.

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<v Speaker 2>I bet Jake the barber that is not a.

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<v Speaker 3>Good called him Jake the Barber. So John moved on

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<v Speaker 3>from the family business and he got a job as

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<v Speaker 3>a barber at the uber Lux Morrison Hotel.

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<v Speaker 2>And everyone knows it's Jake the snake, Brutus the barber.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it goes it might be the only one.

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<v Speaker 2>They mixed it up. Okay, we'll go on. So he's

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<v Speaker 2>working on literation people. He's working at the Morrison Hotel

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<v Speaker 2>in Chicago.

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<v Speaker 3>And just like Max Over on the West Coast, John

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<v Speaker 3>cater to the rich and famous and sometimes the infamous.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh he's the bad brother.

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<v Speaker 3>He's the bad brother.

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<v Speaker 2>He's on this show right now. It's just a story

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<v Speaker 2>of two guys.

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<v Speaker 3>Setting hair make up this wholesome America. And you know what,

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<v Speaker 3>the crime was a crime of fashion. Okay, so cutting

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<v Speaker 3>hair wasn't enough. He had a little bit of the

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<v Speaker 3>con man in him. Resists a lot, Yeah, couldn't resist it.

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<v Speaker 3>Nineteen nineteen, he's indicted on a federal warrant for stock fraud. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>so he did a big jump.

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<v Speaker 2>In nineteen nineteen. Yeah, it's like ten years before everyone

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<v Speaker 2>else was getting busted stock fraud exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>So he agreed to give back all the money that

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<v Speaker 3>he collected on phony stocks and the case was dismissed.

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<v Speaker 3>Ok So, remember Addison and Wilson Meisner and the Florida

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<v Speaker 3>land boom in the twenties. We talked about them. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going to take you right back there, please. Who would

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<v Speaker 3>show up but John Factor, John Factor, he too got

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<v Speaker 3>into the land swindles down there. Of course, so he's

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<v Speaker 3>right next to him, Addison magnet for.

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<v Speaker 2>Con artists and and sham up people.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it's right for the picking Addison meister. He went bankrupt.

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<v Speaker 3>Wilson just got all the way out of town. Factor

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't so lucky. He was indicted for land fraud.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, he got caught on the swamp, caught and.

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<v Speaker 3>He likely he was likely selling plots that didn't even exist.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, he wasn't even selling bad swamp.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like, oh, you can build on this swamp.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, there's no land there.

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<v Speaker 3>Go to this address. They're like that that numbers not

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<v Speaker 3>on the street.

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<v Speaker 2>In the world. And he's like, yeah, in Biscayne Bay.

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<v Speaker 3>So he collected even more indictments over the next few years,

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<v Speaker 3>this time for larceny mail fraud. He had a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of irons in the fire, but he didn't seem to

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<v Speaker 3>be too good at keeping them hot because he keeps

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<v Speaker 3>getting indicted. So then he got into the gold mines

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<v Speaker 3>stock scam game. Remember the diamond hoaks.

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<v Speaker 2>I once told you the field was littered with gems.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, refer to your notes. The government didn't catch him

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<v Speaker 3>on this one, but it was like similar, and he

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<v Speaker 3>became a very wealthy man.

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<v Speaker 2>From it.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh really yeah, selling all these fake minds.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And then he goes back to Chicago. So he's got

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<v Speaker 3>all this money, he buys a fourteen room apartment on

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<v Speaker 3>the Gold Coast.

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<v Speaker 2>Smart.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah swank, Hillary Swank was there. He was a long

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<v Speaker 3>way from sweeping up here in Saint Louis, very far.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, or worrying about a safety in Poland. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>long way.

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<v Speaker 3>Safety it's going concern, especially in nineteen twenty three and

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<v Speaker 3>especially in the circles in which John Factor ran.

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<v Speaker 2>Is he kind of getting mobbed up at this point?

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<v Speaker 3>Well?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, is he in the Capone gang? Almost? Kind of?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he is.

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<v Speaker 2>He gets there.

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<v Speaker 3>So he had an idea. He you know, he had

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<v Speaker 3>done the stock scams before, kind of screwed up, got indicted.

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<v Speaker 3>He has another idea. He's like, how about this time

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<v Speaker 3>we'll do it in Europe?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, good call.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't they even have police, they don't.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, they don't know how to read, they don't know

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<v Speaker 3>how to write.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, come on the old world.

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<v Speaker 3>So he had it all worked out and he was

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<v Speaker 3>sure that he could make a ton of money on this. Okay,

0:10:57.120 --> 0:10:58.600
<v Speaker 3>he needed an investor.

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<v Speaker 2>Though, always always going to need a money.

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<v Speaker 3>He needs someone with money and no morals.

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<v Speaker 4>Ah.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm always looking for that myself.

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<v Speaker 3>He knew just the guy, your guy. In late nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>twenty three, he made his move. He went to none

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<v Speaker 3>other than your guy, Arnold the brain Rock, and I

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<v Speaker 3>guess this.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't want to ruin the timing of you what

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<v Speaker 2>you were had to say, but I was like, who's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be the investor. It's got to be the brain,

0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:21.720
<v Speaker 2>the brain, the brain.

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<v Speaker 3>So, as you've mentioned, this is the criminal mastermind from

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<v Speaker 3>New York who rigged the nineteen nineteen.

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<v Speaker 2>It's this point. Yeah, he's four years off of his

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<v Speaker 2>greatest like poll.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah. Factor asks him for fifty thousand dollars as

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<v Speaker 3>an initial cash investment for what he explained was a

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<v Speaker 3>fool proof stock scam, and Rostein heard him out and

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<v Speaker 3>bought it. She would He's like, okay, this sounds yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So early nineteen twenty four, Factor heads to London. Once there,

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<v Speaker 3>he starts selling these like worthless penny stocks to chumps

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<v Speaker 3>and he promised these fools seven to twelve percent return

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<v Speaker 3>on their investments, and most places, you know, pay out

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<v Speaker 3>one to two percent.

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<v Speaker 2>That's going to beat your five year lipper average.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly exactly in the motor Trend car of the year Ward.

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<v Speaker 3>So Factor he paid people out. At first, it was

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<v Speaker 3>like any good Ponzi ski and the happy Yeah. They

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<v Speaker 3>start telling their friends, They're like, get a load of

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<v Speaker 3>may it's amazing. So Factor he starts working this. He

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<v Speaker 3>pulls in one point five million dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>In that money in that money.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, And then that was his cue to pull up stakes. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I got him out of here. He leaves town. He

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<v Speaker 3>was sure that he wouldn't be arrested, though, because his

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<v Speaker 3>clients were super rich, and some of them were even

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<v Speaker 3>in the royal family, so they didn't want to make

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<v Speaker 3>their idiocy public and be better saying thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So he's right that no one went to the cops.

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<v Speaker 2>He come across this often with a very very wealthy yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>like all the other people know, I'm a mark.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a Mark. It'll be embarrassing. I'll just write it

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<v Speaker 3>off and will act like nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>I lost pocket change.

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<v Speaker 3>And no one went to the cops. He got away

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<v Speaker 3>with it. So he heads back to the States and

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<v Speaker 3>he cuts Rothstein.

0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:02.000
<v Speaker 2>And I've got to start fleecing the ultra wealthy. Elizabeth,

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<v Speaker 2>what is this whole telling stories there. I don't know,

0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:07.079
<v Speaker 2>should take the skills we've learned from this show.

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<v Speaker 3>Make me more than the lotto tickets?

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<v Speaker 2>I thought so.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, he cuts Rothstein in It's like, here's your share.

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<v Speaker 3>The brain very happy.

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<v Speaker 2>That was easy. You got to pay off the brain.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So the brain is so happy that he funds

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<v Speaker 3>another round of phony stocks.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's rare. He doesn't usually like to be increasing

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<v Speaker 2>your risk every time exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>So Factor headed over. He set up shop in this

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<v Speaker 3>very expensive, very impressive joint on Grosner Square, and he.

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<v Speaker 2>Started very legit.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, it's a fancy office. He starts a stock

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<v Speaker 3>brokerage firm called Tyler Wilson.

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<v Speaker 2>In company sounds completely legit, totally.

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<v Speaker 3>He tells his clients, I have a great opportunity for you.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a stock called Triplex, which sounds like something now

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<v Speaker 3>that someone would say, like anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds made up. Yeah, if you're and even now.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah and so, But it was a real stock and

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<v Speaker 3>it was trading at about, you know, American dollars four

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<v Speaker 3>dollars a share.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow.

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<v Speaker 3>The Factor said that he would turn around and buy

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<v Speaker 3>back the stock at six dollars a share, So they're

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<v Speaker 3>going to make a fifty percent profit.

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<v Speaker 2>Buy it for I'll buy it back from you at six.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't get it.

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<v Speaker 2>People didn't ask why do you need this mediary?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. So the dupes are hooked though.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure I love stock, profit, not free money. Take it.

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<v Speaker 3>So he waits a bit and then he offer. He

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<v Speaker 3>offers another stock, Edison Bell, at three dollars a share.

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<v Speaker 3>As soon as he sells them to him, he's like,

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<v Speaker 3>turn around, I want to buy him back.

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<v Speaker 2>At six the original stock.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, the three dollars Edison Bell stock. He's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>buy it back at six. I still, how do none

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<v Speaker 3>of them think this is suspicious? This sounds fantastic. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>here's the thing. He was buying them back in word only,

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<v Speaker 3>and he was selling them in word only. He never

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<v Speaker 3>filed any paperwork, so they paid for the stocks that

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<v Speaker 3>they never got and they're waiting for payments that are

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<v Speaker 3>never processed. So he's like, give me, you know, give

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<v Speaker 3>me three dollars. I'll buy you a share, and then

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<v Speaker 3>here and I'll sell you. Here's the paper to show

0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:04.800
<v Speaker 3>that I sold you back. But all he's doing is

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<v Speaker 3>collecting the three dollars never buying the stock. So factor

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<v Speaker 3>he puts out the word that he has a line

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<v Speaker 3>on two pretty much worthless stocks, Vulcan Mines and Rhodesian

0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:19.680
<v Speaker 3>Border Minerals, both supposedly South African gold mining companies. So

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<v Speaker 3>he like dances around the fact that the companies are

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<v Speaker 3>about to blow up. He's like, I don't know, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>just hearing these things. I don't want to say too much.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, huge profits might be on the way. So

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<v Speaker 3>his caginess about it made the investors drool. They wanted

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<v Speaker 3>in on it. And the stocks are going to like

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<v Speaker 3>nothing like twenty pence. There's nothing stocks, So the investors

0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:41.040
<v Speaker 3>come pouring in. Everyone is desperate to get a piece

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<v Speaker 3>of this, and they're thrilled when they get paid out

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<v Speaker 3>at two point fifty a share two dollars to fifty

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<v Speaker 3>cents a share. But they get paid in land. You mean, well,

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<v Speaker 3>they're getting deeds to plots of supposed.

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<v Speaker 2>Land on another Africa.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, yeah, and there's Stokes. They're like, oh, look

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<v Speaker 3>at me, I've got three acres in in Africa.

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<v Speaker 2>What tre Africa. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Meanwhile, back at home, there was trouble for Rothstein. The

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<v Speaker 3>most serious kind of trouble.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh he was murdered.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, like that's why that point five percent.

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<v Speaker 2>That's rough. Yeah, so that'll make a bad day for it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a big trouble right there.

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<v Speaker 3>So he gets killed over debts that he owed from

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<v Speaker 3>a three day high stakes poker game. Oh right, he

0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:22.880
<v Speaker 3>owed three hundred and twenty thousand dollars, which is almost

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<v Speaker 3>six million today, but he wouldn't pay it because he

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<v Speaker 3>said the game was fixed.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So he was shot at Park Central Hotel died

0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:33.280
<v Speaker 3>two days later in the hospital. As he's laying there dying,

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<v Speaker 3>Rostein refuses to identify his killer. When the cops asked.

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<v Speaker 3>He would only say, you stick to your trade. I'll

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<v Speaker 3>stick to mine.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, won't say a thing. I'm sorry, that's ball.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so that's my point five percent here.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>So one of Rothstein's right hand men was a guy

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<v Speaker 3>named Jack Legs Diamond. Oh, yes, Legs Diamond. When I

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<v Speaker 3>was growing up, if my brother and I would be

0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:55.920
<v Speaker 3>like dancing around, my grandma would say like, oh, look

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<v Speaker 3>at you, Legs Diamond. I always thought leg Simon was

0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:01.600
<v Speaker 3>a dancer and then I found out. Anyway, So Legs

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<v Speaker 3>Diamond he had a lot to gain in the passing

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<v Speaker 3>of Rothstein. It was hinted that, like he might have

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<v Speaker 3>been involved in this.

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<v Speaker 2>You also have to wonder how does a man get

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<v Speaker 2>the nickname Legs at that time as a mobster. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>like he's probably super tall. I know, but Legs.

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<v Speaker 3>Everyone's like, I can't help but look at the stick exactly.

0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:25.679
<v Speaker 2>It's like gams hot gams. I would suspect that he

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<v Speaker 2>may have known about it before so much.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So either way, Legs figured that he was picking

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<v Speaker 3>up a lot of Rothstein's revenue streams. You know, Rostein's

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<v Speaker 3>gone here, I'll take them.

0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:37.159
<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>One of those was factors the same game, new name, Right,

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<v Speaker 3>He's got factors London stock scam. So who's going to

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<v Speaker 3>take that? Factor though, thought that since Rothstein was now dead,

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<v Speaker 3>the whole operation was his because you know, like the

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<v Speaker 3>rest of Rostein's crew really wasn't involved and the suff Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>so Legs reaches out to Factor and he tells him

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<v Speaker 3>to pay yup.

0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:01.399
<v Speaker 2>He's like, look, I'm the new man.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm the big boss. Now you pay me Legs diamonds. See,

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<v Speaker 3>but Factor is like call me. Factor doesn't answer, Hey,

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<v Speaker 3>call me doesn't doesn't call him, So Legs sets sail

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<v Speaker 3>to England on a luxury liner to talk to Factor

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<v Speaker 3>face to face. Factor won't meet with him, Yeah, won't

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<v Speaker 3>meet with Legs Diamond. Instead, he closes up shop and

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<v Speaker 3>runs off with eight million dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, buddy, eight million back then.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh huh, eight million back then. When we come back,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll Russia. I'll tell you how that goes for Jacob.

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<v Speaker 2>I bet it didn't go well. Hello Zaren, Hello Elizabeth.

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<v Speaker 3>When I left off, when I left you hanging Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>Jake the barber on Factor. He was on the run

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<v Speaker 3>from Leg's Diamond with eight million dollars burning a hole

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<v Speaker 3>in his pocket.

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<v Speaker 2>And Legs, I mean he's tall, he's got, he's just.

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<v Speaker 3>It takes like three strides and he's walked like a

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<v Speaker 3>city block. Factor. He left England and went somewhere logical, India,

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<v Speaker 3>Monte Carlo. And he didn't just lilo there amongst the

0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:26.159
<v Speaker 3>rest of the wealthy. He had to keep his head

0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:29.159
<v Speaker 3>in the game, so he rigged the casino tables and

0:19:29.200 --> 0:19:32.879
<v Speaker 3>he broke the casino bank. Well done you, Yeah, So

0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:35.760
<v Speaker 3>he had to that heat. So in December of nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>thirty he went down Mexico away.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, yeah, to Mexico.

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<v Speaker 3>The sole purpose was to get to see a Dad

0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:44.600
<v Speaker 3>Juarez and cross the border at El Paso.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh. He wasn't doing like the Trotsky to go see

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<v Speaker 2>Mexico City.

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<v Speaker 3>He was like, I gotta get back home.

0:19:49.359 --> 0:19:51.400
<v Speaker 2>I got to get back. How do I sneak into America? Yeah?

0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:55.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So he crosses the border and he writes out

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<v Speaker 3>a sworn statement that he was born in England in Hull.

0:19:58.840 --> 0:20:01.280
<v Speaker 3>To be exact, that was actually true. He was born

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<v Speaker 3>had been born in England to a Polish family who

0:20:04.040 --> 0:20:06.359
<v Speaker 3>later moved back to Poland. Right, Okay, so you know

0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:08.600
<v Speaker 3>he's trying to avoid all this detection, but he's got

0:20:08.600 --> 0:20:09.920
<v Speaker 3>to swear something when he comes in.

0:20:10.000 --> 0:20:11.600
<v Speaker 2>Now. Quick question. I'm not sure if you know this.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're born in England, does that make you an

0:20:13.240 --> 0:20:16.480
<v Speaker 2>English subject? I believe so, okay, I'm just wondering. I

0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:18.159
<v Speaker 2>don't know how that law goes. Yeah, I don't know

0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:21.359
<v Speaker 2>if we were a citizenship is a birthright? Clitaizenship is common?

0:20:21.520 --> 0:20:22.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't know.

0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:23.720
<v Speaker 2>I know it's not common in a lot of places

0:20:23.720 --> 0:20:25.800
<v Speaker 2>in Europe. I thought maybe England, who knows.

0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:30.120
<v Speaker 3>Who knows quite frankly, who cares. So here's the problem. Though,

0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:33.280
<v Speaker 3>there was already a statement on file from nineteen oh

0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:36.160
<v Speaker 3>five that his parents had signed when they immigrated over

0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:39.200
<v Speaker 3>They said that he was a Russian national born in Poland.

0:20:39.440 --> 0:20:41.040
<v Speaker 2>They lied.

0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:44.159
<v Speaker 3>This opened a file on him and it didn't give

0:20:44.240 --> 0:20:46.120
<v Speaker 3>him trouble right then, but it would in the future.

0:20:46.560 --> 0:20:50.040
<v Speaker 3>So anyway, Factor knew that Legs was trying to like,

0:20:50.080 --> 0:20:51.639
<v Speaker 3>he is going to try and keep finding him. He

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't going to give up. He's he's leg Simon. So

0:20:54.240 --> 0:20:56.560
<v Speaker 3>Factor goes to Chicago and he looks for help from

0:20:56.600 --> 0:20:57.360
<v Speaker 3>the outfit.

0:20:57.680 --> 0:21:00.879
<v Speaker 2>Oh man, that's probably the best Icago. Yeah, go to

0:21:00.920 --> 0:21:02.520
<v Speaker 2>the sum at the top and go, hey, can you

0:21:02.600 --> 0:21:03.399
<v Speaker 2>ask protect me?

0:21:03.480 --> 0:21:07.720
<v Speaker 3>As it's called, so Murray the camel Humphries took him

0:21:07.760 --> 0:21:10.000
<v Speaker 3>in in exchange for a cut of all the cash

0:21:10.040 --> 0:21:13.000
<v Speaker 3>that Factor was carrying, and a couple of years later,

0:21:13.080 --> 0:21:16.800
<v Speaker 3>Legs Diamond is killed and Factor considered his debt to

0:21:16.880 --> 0:21:17.800
<v Speaker 3>Legs erased.

0:21:18.480 --> 0:21:20.480
<v Speaker 2>Of course, that's it's one to.

0:21:20.400 --> 0:21:22.879
<v Speaker 3>Collect it and whoever comes after Legs is like, I

0:21:22.880 --> 0:21:24.320
<v Speaker 3>don't know about all these other things, you know.

0:21:24.440 --> 0:21:27.120
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, So it's like in Hollywood where like the when

0:21:27.160 --> 0:21:29.320
<v Speaker 2>an executive leaves all those projects die with them.

0:21:29.480 --> 0:21:32.560
<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, yes, so factor he comes out of hiding.

0:21:32.680 --> 0:21:36.680
<v Speaker 3>It's finally safe. But he was immediately arrested and because

0:21:36.720 --> 0:21:39.640
<v Speaker 3>the Brits had put out a warrant for receiving property

0:21:39.680 --> 0:21:43.000
<v Speaker 3>that was fraudulently obtained. He was released on a fifty

0:21:43.040 --> 0:21:46.080
<v Speaker 3>thousand dollars bond, but a judge ruled that he should

0:21:46.119 --> 0:21:49.480
<v Speaker 3>be extradited to England. Why because the English are coming

0:21:49.520 --> 0:21:53.600
<v Speaker 3>after him, Like, you know, it's the British warrant. Here's

0:21:53.600 --> 0:21:55.240
<v Speaker 3>the thing, Like, in the time that he was on

0:21:55.240 --> 0:21:58.280
<v Speaker 3>the run, he had already been tried and convicted in absentia.

0:21:58.280 --> 0:21:59.879
<v Speaker 2>There, okay, then that changes.

0:22:00.000 --> 0:22:03.000
<v Speaker 3>He sentenced to twenty four years in prison, hard labor definite.

0:22:03.560 --> 0:22:04.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah.

0:22:04.320 --> 0:22:06.800
<v Speaker 3>So his lawyers said that he hadn't conned anyone at all,

0:22:06.880 --> 0:22:09.680
<v Speaker 3>that there was no fraud. They said that the clients

0:22:09.720 --> 0:22:11.600
<v Speaker 3>had in fact been given a little bit of land

0:22:11.640 --> 0:22:14.840
<v Speaker 3>in South Africa's payment, and a federal judge agreed with

0:22:14.880 --> 0:22:16.840
<v Speaker 3>this and overruled the extradition.

0:22:17.560 --> 0:22:18.240
<v Speaker 2>Oh there you go.

0:22:18.320 --> 0:22:21.639
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So the Justice Department appealed this decision and it

0:22:21.680 --> 0:22:22.879
<v Speaker 3>went to the Supreme Court.

0:22:23.000 --> 0:22:24.040
<v Speaker 2>What all the way up?

0:22:24.400 --> 0:22:27.359
<v Speaker 3>He and his lawyers used every delay tactic in the book,

0:22:27.720 --> 0:22:33.120
<v Speaker 3>and something major happened. Zarin, Yes, closure out. I want

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<v Speaker 3>you to picture it. It's midday on April eighteenth, nineteen

0:22:37.200 --> 0:22:40.880
<v Speaker 3>thirty three, and you're a student at Northwestern University in Chicago.

0:22:41.600 --> 0:22:43.920
<v Speaker 3>You've made lots of pals, and you love your studies,

0:22:44.119 --> 0:22:47.400
<v Speaker 3>the books and paper and pencils and all that. You're

0:22:47.400 --> 0:22:50.120
<v Speaker 3>standing outside the arch at the corner of Sheridan Road

0:22:50.160 --> 0:22:53.280
<v Speaker 3>and Chicago Avenue. The wind is whipping, so you pull

0:22:53.320 --> 0:22:56.520
<v Speaker 3>your scarf tighter around your neck and face. You're supposed

0:22:56.560 --> 0:22:58.760
<v Speaker 3>to meet your friend Jerome here and then head out

0:22:58.760 --> 0:23:01.359
<v Speaker 3>to get a bite to eat. Cars rubble passed, and

0:23:01.400 --> 0:23:03.840
<v Speaker 3>you adjust the strap on your book bag. You wish

0:23:03.920 --> 0:23:07.000
<v Speaker 3>you'd warn a thicker sweater. Two students laugh and chat

0:23:07.000 --> 0:23:10.480
<v Speaker 3>as they walk by. Otherwise the sidewalks are empty. You

0:23:10.600 --> 0:23:13.639
<v Speaker 3>keep your eyes open for Jerome and his small round glasses.

0:23:14.040 --> 0:23:16.480
<v Speaker 3>You spot him coming down the path from University Hall,

0:23:16.520 --> 0:23:19.119
<v Speaker 3>a sweet grin on his face. As he approaches you

0:23:19.160 --> 0:23:21.480
<v Speaker 3>at the curb, a car comes screaming around the corner

0:23:21.480 --> 0:23:23.280
<v Speaker 3>and peels to a stock right in front of you.

0:23:23.880 --> 0:23:25.960
<v Speaker 3>Two thugs right out of the comics burst out of

0:23:25.960 --> 0:23:28.639
<v Speaker 3>the back seat and grab Jerome on either side. His

0:23:28.720 --> 0:23:31.480
<v Speaker 3>little looks fall to the ground. They shove a rag

0:23:31.520 --> 0:23:33.800
<v Speaker 3>in his mouth and shuffle him toward the car. The

0:23:33.880 --> 0:23:36.840
<v Speaker 3>driver stares at you and shakes his head. You weekly

0:23:36.880 --> 0:23:39.280
<v Speaker 3>call out, you shouldn't do that. Do you know who

0:23:39.359 --> 0:23:42.840
<v Speaker 3>his pop is? The car races off and too sits horn.

0:23:43.480 --> 0:23:45.960
<v Speaker 3>You're left alone on the sidewalk wondering if you should

0:23:45.960 --> 0:23:50.520
<v Speaker 3>call the police or John Factor, Jerome's dad. Oh, Nat,

0:23:50.800 --> 0:23:54.560
<v Speaker 3>Jerome Factor has just been kidnapped. There's a ransom five

0:23:54.600 --> 0:23:57.760
<v Speaker 3>thousand dollars, which is one hundred and seventeen thousand dollars today.

0:23:58.320 --> 0:24:00.359
<v Speaker 3>Two days after that, on what would have been the

0:24:00.400 --> 0:24:03.199
<v Speaker 3>opening day of his hearing at the Supreme Court, another

0:24:03.280 --> 0:24:06.800
<v Speaker 3>ransom note arrived, this one for fifty thousand, which is

0:24:06.880 --> 0:24:10.359
<v Speaker 3>one point two million today. The kidnappers said that they

0:24:10.359 --> 0:24:14.080
<v Speaker 3>would send Jerome home in quote pieces if the ransom

0:24:14.200 --> 0:24:16.760
<v Speaker 3>wasn't paid. And a couple of days after that, another

0:24:16.880 --> 0:24:19.960
<v Speaker 3>ransom letter comes, this one for one hundred thousand, which

0:24:20.000 --> 0:24:22.359
<v Speaker 3>is two point three million dollars. Wow, do they just

0:24:22.440 --> 0:24:24.040
<v Speaker 3>keep amber better?

0:24:24.080 --> 0:24:24.439
<v Speaker 2>Answer?

0:24:24.640 --> 0:24:28.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Detectives grabbed the guy who delivered the notes. He

0:24:28.280 --> 0:24:30.360
<v Speaker 3>was questioned for less than an hour and then released.

0:24:30.720 --> 0:24:34.119
<v Speaker 3>When he exited the station, reporters are everywhere. All the

0:24:34.119 --> 0:24:36.399
<v Speaker 3>delivery man said to them was I can't talk to

0:24:36.440 --> 0:24:38.960
<v Speaker 3>you guys. Murray Humphries told me to keep my mouth shut.

0:24:40.280 --> 0:24:43.920
<v Speaker 3>So Factor assembled a crack team to find his son.

0:24:44.760 --> 0:24:48.000
<v Speaker 3>So he's got Murray Humphries, you know, putting the kibosh

0:24:48.080 --> 0:24:52.120
<v Speaker 3>on everything. The cops are running their investigation, and Factor

0:24:52.160 --> 0:24:57.320
<v Speaker 3>calls in men from the outfits. They set up shop

0:24:57.320 --> 0:25:01.879
<v Speaker 3>in a suite at the Congress Hotel. And this is

0:25:02.359 --> 0:25:03.160
<v Speaker 3>thirty three.

0:25:03.040 --> 0:25:05.000
<v Speaker 2>So Frank Nitty still alive. He's pretty much running it

0:25:05.000 --> 0:25:05.680
<v Speaker 2>at this point.

0:25:05.480 --> 0:25:09.040
<v Speaker 3>Pretty much. And so they get this beautiful suite at

0:25:09.040 --> 0:25:11.600
<v Speaker 3>the Congress Hotel in Chicago. The press we're calling it

0:25:11.680 --> 0:25:16.280
<v Speaker 3>the Hoodlum Detective Agency, and the cops didn't trust this operation,

0:25:16.920 --> 0:25:20.040
<v Speaker 3>so they raided it and they arrested the outfit guys,

0:25:20.119 --> 0:25:25.159
<v Speaker 3>Murray Humphries, machine Gun, Jack mcgern, Wow, Sam golf bag Hunt,

0:25:26.000 --> 0:25:32.600
<v Speaker 3>Tony Acardo, Oh wow, yeah, Frankie, Rio, Phil Deandria, and

0:25:32.680 --> 0:25:33.600
<v Speaker 3>Rocco de Grazia.

0:25:33.640 --> 0:25:36.560
<v Speaker 2>Dude Anthony Orcardo would later do murder ink he comes.

0:25:36.320 --> 0:25:40.000
<v Speaker 3>He comes up, So all of them tell the same story.

0:25:40.280 --> 0:25:42.920
<v Speaker 3>We're just working to get Jerome back. The cops didn't

0:25:42.920 --> 0:25:45.560
<v Speaker 3>really have anything, so they booked them on vagrancy charges.

0:25:45.800 --> 0:25:48.960
<v Speaker 3>You're just lounging about in the hotel room. Don't worry

0:25:49.000 --> 0:25:52.159
<v Speaker 3>about it. Factor immediately posts their bail good. So, almost

0:25:52.200 --> 0:25:54.280
<v Speaker 3>a week after the kidnapping, there's a break in the case.

0:25:54.600 --> 0:25:57.200
<v Speaker 3>Jerome gets dropped off on the streets of Chicago.

0:25:57.720 --> 0:26:01.320
<v Speaker 2>Whoa, yeah, just like Frankie Junior to get out here

0:26:01.320 --> 0:26:01.680
<v Speaker 2>you go.

0:26:01.760 --> 0:26:06.240
<v Speaker 3>Exactly, But no abalony divers. So six men were eventually

0:26:06.359 --> 0:26:09.359
<v Speaker 3>arrested for Jerome's kidnapping, and three of them had ties

0:26:09.440 --> 0:26:15.800
<v Speaker 3>to a kidnapping ring in Iowa, Iowa, Iowa kidnapping. Wowah, yeah, okay.

0:26:16.160 --> 0:26:18.760
<v Speaker 3>So Jerome's mother identified two of the men. She said

0:26:18.800 --> 0:26:21.000
<v Speaker 3>she'd seen them driving around the house like a few

0:26:21.040 --> 0:26:24.119
<v Speaker 3>days before all this went down. Factor then told the

0:26:24.160 --> 0:26:27.479
<v Speaker 3>press his story. Oh and this is popa Factor, not Jerome.

0:26:28.359 --> 0:26:31.960
<v Speaker 3>John says, he's like, he worked really hard on this

0:26:32.080 --> 0:26:35.280
<v Speaker 3>to create dissension in the ranks of the kidnappers. So

0:26:35.400 --> 0:26:38.560
<v Speaker 3>he pretended to receive the fifty thousand dollars ransom note

0:26:38.560 --> 0:26:42.240
<v Speaker 3>they never sent it. In truth, he created it to

0:26:42.280 --> 0:26:44.320
<v Speaker 3>make the kidnappers think someone else was going to try

0:26:44.359 --> 0:26:46.919
<v Speaker 3>and take credit for their work, and that you know,

0:26:47.040 --> 0:26:49.160
<v Speaker 3>maybe one or two kidnappers in the gang were trying

0:26:49.160 --> 0:26:51.640
<v Speaker 3>to score the money out from under the rest of them.

0:26:51.680 --> 0:26:53.720
<v Speaker 3>So the lead kidnappers to be like, well, wait, we

0:26:53.760 --> 0:26:55.360
<v Speaker 3>didn't send that note. Now he's going to pay someone

0:26:55.480 --> 0:26:58.960
<v Speaker 3>fifty thousand dollars for this. So then he said he

0:26:59.040 --> 0:27:02.639
<v Speaker 3>hired the Capone men and let them get busted so

0:27:02.720 --> 0:27:04.560
<v Speaker 3>that the kidnappers would see it in the papers and

0:27:04.560 --> 0:27:07.119
<v Speaker 3>get freaked out that the outfit was coming after them.

0:27:07.240 --> 0:27:10.520
<v Speaker 3>They're not even really looking. They just put them on parade.

0:27:10.920 --> 0:27:13.600
<v Speaker 3>And he also put out false word that the fifty

0:27:13.640 --> 0:27:16.000
<v Speaker 3>thousand dollars on the streets. He puts out word that

0:27:16.040 --> 0:27:19.040
<v Speaker 3>it had been paid, and then the boy gets released.

0:27:19.080 --> 0:27:20.080
<v Speaker 2>This is brilliant.

0:27:20.160 --> 0:27:24.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so factors case again. He works it, but and

0:27:24.160 --> 0:27:26.880
<v Speaker 3>it delays into delays, But finally the case is back

0:27:26.920 --> 0:27:29.000
<v Speaker 3>on at the Supreme Court. They're like, they set a

0:27:29.040 --> 0:27:29.440
<v Speaker 3>new date.

0:27:30.720 --> 0:27:32.640
<v Speaker 2>God of Supreme Well, he's doing it to kind of stop.

0:27:32.680 --> 0:27:35.200
<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean, this just happens. So all this happens

0:27:35.240 --> 0:27:38.359
<v Speaker 3>right before the Supreme Court case, and then they reschedule sure,

0:27:38.520 --> 0:27:42.760
<v Speaker 3>and it's coming up Jerome's Home, Safe and Sound Council

0:27:42.840 --> 0:27:45.720
<v Speaker 3>for the British Crown, though they accused Factor of staging

0:27:45.760 --> 0:27:48.359
<v Speaker 3>the kidnapping in order to avoid extradition to England.

0:27:48.560 --> 0:27:50.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, oh no though.

0:27:51.200 --> 0:27:54.000
<v Speaker 3>June thirtieth, nineteen thirty three, kidnappers struck again.

0:27:54.560 --> 0:27:55.480
<v Speaker 2>Did they get this time?

0:27:55.840 --> 0:27:59.720
<v Speaker 3>Well, they're supposed kidnappers, and this time it was Factor himself.

0:27:59.440 --> 0:28:02.199
<v Speaker 2>Who got got to get the cheese. So Factor is.

0:28:02.240 --> 0:28:06.040
<v Speaker 3>Quote released twelve days after he goes missing. He walked

0:28:06.080 --> 0:28:08.680
<v Speaker 3>up to two cops and he told them, I'm John Factor,

0:28:09.240 --> 0:28:15.520
<v Speaker 3>Like okay, yeah, he said. He paid his abductors fifty

0:28:15.560 --> 0:28:18.040
<v Speaker 3>thousand dollars in ransom money for his release. They just

0:28:18.080 --> 0:28:20.320
<v Speaker 3>throw this fifty k around like that was like a million.

0:28:21.720 --> 0:28:23.840
<v Speaker 3>And according to him, he paid it all in five

0:28:23.880 --> 0:28:25.520
<v Speaker 3>and ten dollars bills, so.

0:28:25.440 --> 0:28:27.680
<v Speaker 2>It's just like duffel back stack of cash.

0:28:27.960 --> 0:28:31.080
<v Speaker 3>Newspaper wire reports said that Factor was returned quote in

0:28:31.160 --> 0:28:36.439
<v Speaker 3>a serious condition, suffering from a nervous breakdown. So he

0:28:36.520 --> 0:28:39.120
<v Speaker 3>said in a statement to police, quote they never harmed me,

0:28:39.280 --> 0:28:41.080
<v Speaker 3>but they were pretty tough in their threats.

0:28:41.560 --> 0:28:44.760
<v Speaker 2>Once they put they looked.

0:28:44.560 --> 0:28:47.280
<v Speaker 3>A funny once they put machine guns against me, one

0:28:47.320 --> 0:28:48.920
<v Speaker 3>and back, and another in front, and they said they

0:28:48.920 --> 0:28:51.720
<v Speaker 3>were going to kill me. Another held a big pair

0:28:51.720 --> 0:28:54.160
<v Speaker 3>of shears close to my face and let me feel them.

0:28:54.680 --> 0:28:56.800
<v Speaker 3>They said they were going to cut my ears off,

0:28:57.840 --> 0:29:01.080
<v Speaker 3>just like drags the scissors down. This cutting a little

0:29:01.080 --> 0:29:04.120
<v Speaker 3>girl's neck is like cutting warm butter. I'm quoting Commando.

0:29:04.200 --> 0:29:07.880
<v Speaker 3>That's not what anyway. So the truth is that he

0:29:07.960 --> 0:29:10.440
<v Speaker 3>and his lawyers had figured out that a kidnapping was

0:29:10.480 --> 0:29:11.880
<v Speaker 3>a really good way to stall a trial.

0:29:12.000 --> 0:29:12.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah apparently.

0:29:12.920 --> 0:29:16.280
<v Speaker 3>So there are conflicting reports as to whether Jerome's kidnapping

0:29:16.320 --> 0:29:20.600
<v Speaker 3>was even real, but there's original, the original, but there's

0:29:20.640 --> 0:29:23.600
<v Speaker 3>no doubt that his was staged. He and his lawyers

0:29:23.680 --> 0:29:26.160
<v Speaker 3>knew that if they delayed the trial long enough with

0:29:26.200 --> 0:29:29.680
<v Speaker 3>these various kidnappings, the statute of limitations would run out

0:29:29.680 --> 0:29:33.120
<v Speaker 3>and the charges would be dropped. They just needed now, okay,

0:29:33.120 --> 0:29:35.080
<v Speaker 3>so now they got to go back. Okay, Now we

0:29:35.160 --> 0:29:35.400
<v Speaker 3>got to.

0:29:35.400 --> 0:29:38.520
<v Speaker 2>Frame something that you can keep going through parts of appeals.

0:29:40.760 --> 0:29:42.800
<v Speaker 3>No, but you know, I don't know who he's I'm.

0:29:42.680 --> 0:29:44.880
<v Speaker 2>Sorry, I'm not a simple though.

0:29:44.920 --> 0:29:48.160
<v Speaker 3>They need to They need to cause more confusion and delay.

0:29:48.400 --> 0:29:50.000
<v Speaker 3>So instead of just saying well, we don't know who

0:29:50.000 --> 0:29:52.520
<v Speaker 3>the kidnappers are that sucked. They're like, we know who

0:29:52.560 --> 0:29:54.040
<v Speaker 3>it was, now we need a whole trial and I'm

0:29:54.040 --> 0:29:56.360
<v Speaker 3>going to have to be a witness. So they need

0:29:56.360 --> 0:30:02.080
<v Speaker 3>to frame someone for it. Murray Humphries. Uh, Rank Nitty Needy.

0:30:02.280 --> 0:30:06.000
<v Speaker 2>Frank Nitty, not a great guy, but a great mobster.

0:30:06.120 --> 0:30:10.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's the acting boss that now that Paul the

0:30:10.640 --> 0:30:13.360
<v Speaker 3>Waiter Rica and another Chicago.

0:30:13.640 --> 0:30:14.440
<v Speaker 2>He's another legend.

0:30:14.480 --> 0:30:16.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah he's he's Yeah, he's a crime boss. They all

0:30:16.320 --> 0:30:19.240
<v Speaker 3>get together and they picked a stooge for the crime.

0:30:19.960 --> 0:30:22.040
<v Speaker 3>They would pin it on Roger the Terrible too.

0:30:22.080 --> 0:30:24.200
<v Speaker 2>He oh, I don't know Roger the Terrible two.

0:30:24.400 --> 0:30:25.560
<v Speaker 3>Irish American mobster.

0:30:26.640 --> 0:30:26.840
<v Speaker 2>Two.

0:30:26.880 --> 0:30:30.040
<v Speaker 3>He had been a thorn in Capone's side. You know

0:30:30.080 --> 0:30:33.440
<v Speaker 3>that he he ran all these liquor rackets and Capone

0:30:33.480 --> 0:30:35.280
<v Speaker 3>wanted a piece of it, and and.

0:30:35.240 --> 0:30:37.240
<v Speaker 2>Like and he's a Chicago guy, not a Detroit guy.

0:30:37.480 --> 0:30:39.840
<v Speaker 3>Terrible to he he would yeah, he's a Chicago guy.

0:30:40.080 --> 0:30:41.760
<v Speaker 3>He would kind of blow it up like he had

0:30:41.840 --> 0:30:45.680
<v Speaker 3>all of these these associates and this huge operation. He

0:30:45.720 --> 0:30:47.720
<v Speaker 3>would pretend to be on the phone with people like yeah,

0:30:47.720 --> 0:30:49.720
<v Speaker 3>go ahead and kill him. And then when he was

0:30:49.720 --> 0:30:52.640
<v Speaker 3>talking to Capone's guys, and these guys are naive. Oh

0:30:52.680 --> 0:30:55.360
<v Speaker 3>my god, Like he's got like PHI, he's got like

0:30:55.400 --> 0:30:58.480
<v Speaker 3>a kill squad out there. He's just talking to the

0:30:58.520 --> 0:30:59.040
<v Speaker 3>dial tone.

0:30:59.120 --> 0:31:00.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah he's doing that's a DJ.

0:31:00.440 --> 0:31:04.880
<v Speaker 3>Move and totally exactly. So Capone's side like the outfit.

0:31:04.880 --> 0:31:07.280
<v Speaker 3>They want him gone. He's a big problem and this

0:31:07.320 --> 0:31:10.080
<v Speaker 3>is a clean way to do it. So December fourth,

0:31:10.160 --> 0:31:14.800
<v Speaker 3>nineteen thirty three, Factor lost his extradition case. The US

0:31:14.840 --> 0:31:17.120
<v Speaker 3>Supreme Court held that he should be turned over to

0:31:17.120 --> 0:31:19.840
<v Speaker 3>the British and he was taken into custody on April seventeenth,

0:31:19.920 --> 0:31:24.000
<v Speaker 3>nineteen thirty four. His wife begged a federal district court

0:31:24.040 --> 0:31:27.040
<v Speaker 3>to dismiss the extradition because he had been held for

0:31:27.120 --> 0:31:31.200
<v Speaker 3>longer than the two months permitted under US law. Everyone's

0:31:31.240 --> 0:31:35.000
<v Speaker 3>looking for loopholes. The Secretary of State intervened and he

0:31:35.080 --> 0:31:37.760
<v Speaker 3>asked the court to release Factor because he might be

0:31:37.800 --> 0:31:40.280
<v Speaker 3>needed as a witness in the case against Tuohey.

0:31:40.680 --> 0:31:43.680
<v Speaker 2>Wow, he's dirty. He's Secretary's stayed dirty.

0:31:43.760 --> 0:31:46.440
<v Speaker 3>So the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals this is, I.

0:31:46.440 --> 0:31:48.840
<v Speaker 2>Guess what FDR's Secretary of State thirty three?

0:31:49.480 --> 0:31:55.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he orders Factor released and extradition proceedings ended. There

0:31:55.400 --> 0:31:58.280
<v Speaker 3>It is February twenty third, nineteen thirty four, two Hey

0:31:58.480 --> 0:32:02.160
<v Speaker 3>and two gang members found guilty of kidnapping John Factor.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't, is it t o u h Y?

0:32:05.480 --> 0:32:07.960
<v Speaker 2>I imagine too. I don't know. It's an Irish name,

0:32:07.960 --> 0:32:08.760
<v Speaker 2>so I could be totally wrong.

0:32:08.880 --> 0:32:10.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah too, who knows.

0:32:10.400 --> 0:32:10.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry.

0:32:11.040 --> 0:32:13.040
<v Speaker 3>If that's your name and I'm saying it wrong, Twey

0:32:13.360 --> 0:32:16.000
<v Speaker 3>will say it is. He fought tirelessly to have his

0:32:16.080 --> 0:32:19.520
<v Speaker 3>case reopened, but it was always denied. And even though

0:32:19.560 --> 0:32:22.520
<v Speaker 3>there's more and more evidence that he's in his Yeah,

0:32:22.600 --> 0:32:25.880
<v Speaker 3>just keep stacking. Oh, he totally did. Gen O'Connor was

0:32:25.920 --> 0:32:29.280
<v Speaker 3>in prison with Tuey and served a life sentence for

0:32:29.320 --> 0:32:31.280
<v Speaker 3>the He was serving a life sentence for the robbery

0:32:31.280 --> 0:32:35.120
<v Speaker 3>and murder of a Chicago cop. He thought that his

0:32:35.240 --> 0:32:37.840
<v Speaker 3>only option was to make a break for it, to escape,

0:32:38.080 --> 0:32:42.960
<v Speaker 3>and he convinces Touey that his fate is the same way. Wait,

0:32:43.280 --> 0:32:44.720
<v Speaker 3>only way you're gonna get out of it. You gotta

0:32:44.760 --> 0:32:45.800
<v Speaker 3>we gotta make a run for it.

0:32:45.920 --> 0:32:47.320
<v Speaker 2>Um so two.

0:32:47.360 --> 0:32:50.320
<v Speaker 3>He later said, I stayed awake until dawn and myself

0:32:50.360 --> 0:32:53.680
<v Speaker 3>thinking I was without hope. I was buried alive in prison,

0:32:53.680 --> 0:32:55.920
<v Speaker 3>and I would die there. I couldn't see a light

0:32:55.960 --> 0:33:00.440
<v Speaker 3>ahead anywhere, nothing but darkness, loneliness, desperation. The world had

0:33:00.480 --> 0:33:03.560
<v Speaker 3>forgotten me. After eight years, I was a nothing. Well,

0:33:03.720 --> 0:33:05.959
<v Speaker 3>there was only one way I could focus public attention

0:33:06.040 --> 0:33:06.720
<v Speaker 3>on my misery.

0:33:07.160 --> 0:33:07.959
<v Speaker 2>I could escape.

0:33:08.480 --> 0:33:11.200
<v Speaker 3>I would be caught, of course, but the break would

0:33:11.200 --> 0:33:14.480
<v Speaker 3>show my terrible situation. What cock eyed thinking that was

0:33:14.560 --> 0:33:17.360
<v Speaker 3>my mental attitude was a mess? I later came to realize,

0:33:17.560 --> 0:33:20.760
<v Speaker 3>I'd yeah, I think so. He gets caught after a

0:33:20.760 --> 0:33:23.160
<v Speaker 3>month on the run, and the stunt earned him an

0:33:23.160 --> 0:33:26.120
<v Speaker 3>additional one hundred and ninety nine years on his sentence.

0:33:26.320 --> 0:33:28.160
<v Speaker 2>Oh god, yeah, that backfired.

0:33:28.840 --> 0:33:31.120
<v Speaker 3>But in nineteen fifty nine he writes a book about

0:33:31.120 --> 0:33:32.040
<v Speaker 3>his false imprisonment.

0:33:32.320 --> 0:33:37.280
<v Speaker 2>You know how it goes, his stolen years, Okay.

0:33:37.320 --> 0:33:39.960
<v Speaker 3>And later that year he's exonerated and released from prison.

0:33:40.080 --> 0:33:41.120
<v Speaker 2>What's for the book? You say?

0:33:41.200 --> 0:33:42.680
<v Speaker 3>So good?

0:33:43.360 --> 0:33:44.440
<v Speaker 2>You got a book tour today, bro?

0:33:45.160 --> 0:33:48.840
<v Speaker 3>What was factor up to while? You know, jimmy bookmaker

0:33:48.880 --> 0:33:50.480
<v Speaker 3>over here was writing books in prison.

0:33:50.320 --> 0:33:52.400
<v Speaker 2>Playing golf of Franknity. No hangout.

0:33:52.440 --> 0:33:54.360
<v Speaker 3>I hang out during these ads, and I'll tell you

0:33:54.440 --> 0:33:55.040
<v Speaker 3>when we get back.

0:33:55.120 --> 0:34:17.680
<v Speaker 4>Nice zaren Yes, Elizabeth, did you finish your test?

0:34:18.120 --> 0:34:18.319
<v Speaker 3>Uh?

0:34:18.440 --> 0:34:22.480
<v Speaker 2>No, you beat me. You went again. You're first one, He.

0:34:22.520 --> 0:34:23.880
<v Speaker 3>Spun like spelling quizzes.

0:34:24.040 --> 0:34:26.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, during the break and you want problems?

0:34:26.920 --> 0:34:30.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeah anyway, Roger Toohey, he's doing time for a crime

0:34:30.280 --> 0:34:34.600
<v Speaker 3>he didn't commit. John Factor, free from his extradition out

0:34:34.640 --> 0:34:37.440
<v Speaker 3>on the town, never won to stray far from his

0:34:37.480 --> 0:34:40.400
<v Speaker 3>criminal roots. He got involved in a large scale effort

0:34:40.520 --> 0:34:44.320
<v Speaker 3>later known as the million dollar whiskey warehouse receipts scam.

0:34:44.960 --> 0:34:46.640
<v Speaker 2>That's sound probly helpful.

0:34:47.080 --> 0:34:51.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Factor, He's started this Delaware corporation.

0:34:51.000 --> 0:34:54.680
<v Speaker 2>Called hasn't started corporation among us.

0:34:55.040 --> 0:34:57.200
<v Speaker 3>It's called United Bottling and Distributing.

0:34:57.239 --> 0:34:58.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm not even lying. I have started a.

0:35:00.400 --> 0:35:06.840
<v Speaker 3>Good for you whiskey receipts. So United Bottling and Distributing whisky.

0:35:06.840 --> 0:35:08.520
<v Speaker 3>Do you know what whiskey warehouse receipts are?

0:35:09.160 --> 0:35:10.160
<v Speaker 2>No, go, please explain it.

0:35:10.239 --> 0:35:13.439
<v Speaker 3>I shall tell you. Whiskey warehouse receipts are a way

0:35:13.440 --> 0:35:17.480
<v Speaker 3>to finance the liquor as it ages. So it's basically

0:35:17.480 --> 0:35:20.120
<v Speaker 3>a marker stating that you have a product that will

0:35:20.120 --> 0:35:23.960
<v Speaker 3>be worth something in X number of years. He convinced

0:35:24.040 --> 0:35:28.239
<v Speaker 3>John Factor convinced owners of whiskey warehouse receipts to exchange

0:35:28.280 --> 0:35:31.200
<v Speaker 3>them for bottling contracts, where United Bottling would hold the

0:35:31.200 --> 0:35:34.799
<v Speaker 3>whiskey until it was properly aged, get it bottled and distributed,

0:35:34.920 --> 0:35:37.640
<v Speaker 3>and then send the profits minus a service fee of course,

0:35:38.040 --> 0:35:40.840
<v Speaker 3>back to them. So the thing is there's no bottling

0:35:40.840 --> 0:35:44.960
<v Speaker 3>plant and there's no distribution. It's all on paper. And

0:35:45.040 --> 0:35:47.279
<v Speaker 3>as soon as they got the receipts they would turn

0:35:47.320 --> 0:35:50.160
<v Speaker 3>around and sell them.

0:35:49.160 --> 0:35:52.359
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So like as a small market, people would hear

0:35:52.360 --> 0:35:54.200
<v Speaker 2>about this really quickly. So it's like a.

0:35:55.920 --> 0:35:59.640
<v Speaker 3>Day you don't know whiskey receipt community. Most of the

0:35:59.680 --> 0:36:02.319
<v Speaker 3>receipts holders lived in Iowa, oddly.

0:36:02.080 --> 0:36:05.000
<v Speaker 2>Enough, always with the Iowa it's interesting. Not just in

0:36:05.040 --> 0:36:05.680
<v Speaker 2>cold Blood. No.

0:36:06.160 --> 0:36:09.440
<v Speaker 3>So when the Feds came calling, they indicted Factor and

0:36:09.480 --> 0:36:12.840
<v Speaker 3>his minions in Cedar Rapids. Yes, and in nineteen forty

0:36:12.840 --> 0:36:15.640
<v Speaker 3>two he was convicted for mail fraud and sentenced to

0:36:15.719 --> 0:36:19.560
<v Speaker 3>ten years, got out in six. After that he moved

0:36:19.560 --> 0:36:20.440
<v Speaker 3>to Los Angeles.

0:36:20.560 --> 0:36:22.759
<v Speaker 2>Good place for a con the big windy angel Baby.

0:36:22.840 --> 0:36:27.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he set himself up well. He borrowed five thousand

0:36:27.160 --> 0:36:29.960
<v Speaker 3>dollars and he started investing in real estate, which is

0:36:30.000 --> 0:36:30.759
<v Speaker 3>a great.

0:36:30.440 --> 0:36:32.600
<v Speaker 2>Thing to do. Then, yeah, there's always the movie.

0:36:32.680 --> 0:36:35.200
<v Speaker 3>And then and then an old pal came calling. Oh no,

0:36:35.520 --> 0:36:37.799
<v Speaker 3>you ever heard of Big Tuna? And I'm not talking

0:36:37.800 --> 0:36:39.640
<v Speaker 3>about Andy's nickname for Jim on the office.

0:36:39.760 --> 0:36:43.680
<v Speaker 5>Oh okay, then Joe Batters. No, I don't think Bill

0:36:43.719 --> 0:36:48.120
<v Speaker 5>Parcells aka Bill Parcells. Yes I do, thank you, producer, Dave.

0:36:48.520 --> 0:36:49.960
<v Speaker 5>That is the only two Big Tuna I know.

0:36:50.120 --> 0:36:50.839
<v Speaker 3>Tonycardo.

0:36:51.320 --> 0:36:54.200
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's his nickname, is big Tuna. I've never heard

0:36:54.239 --> 0:36:57.000
<v Speaker 2>that Big Tona. Yea, I've always heard as Anthony Accardo.

0:36:57.120 --> 0:36:59.399
<v Speaker 2>I mean, like Andrew here. I heard people call him Tona.

0:36:59.520 --> 0:37:00.480
<v Speaker 2>It's Anthony.

0:37:00.600 --> 0:37:02.839
<v Speaker 3>His friend called them Joey Batter's Big toun.

0:37:03.239 --> 0:37:04.040
<v Speaker 2>Joey Batters.

0:37:05.320 --> 0:37:09.160
<v Speaker 3>So Chicago mobster, part of the outfit. He rose through

0:37:09.200 --> 0:37:11.680
<v Speaker 3>the ranks. He went from common street hood to day

0:37:11.680 --> 0:37:13.960
<v Speaker 3>to day boss to.

0:37:13.520 --> 0:37:16.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, top dog like runner of the Summit.

0:37:16.560 --> 0:37:19.600
<v Speaker 3>Yes, in the fifties he was big into slot machines,

0:37:19.840 --> 0:37:23.480
<v Speaker 3>vending machines, counterfeit liquor, and ran vegas.

0:37:23.480 --> 0:37:24.680
<v Speaker 2>They're the one whom they make.

0:37:24.680 --> 0:37:27.400
<v Speaker 3>Vegas right, that's the Chicago and get into that. Sorry,

0:37:27.440 --> 0:37:30.719
<v Speaker 3>calm down, narcotic smuggling. I did that too, and so

0:37:30.760 --> 0:37:32.960
<v Speaker 3>they got like you said, they go from Chicago to Vegas.

0:37:33.480 --> 0:37:35.640
<v Speaker 3>They tried to muscle out the five families from New

0:37:35.719 --> 0:37:38.479
<v Speaker 3>York who were in trying to establish in Vegas. They're

0:37:38.520 --> 0:37:40.880
<v Speaker 3>making a ton of cash and so like, while the

0:37:40.920 --> 0:37:42.960
<v Speaker 3>slot machines were bringing in dough, it would have been

0:37:42.960 --> 0:37:46.080
<v Speaker 3>more if they had a whole casino. And casinos are

0:37:46.120 --> 0:37:48.840
<v Speaker 3>popping up on the strip. Mom wants in, Big Tuna

0:37:48.880 --> 0:37:54.680
<v Speaker 3>wants in. Johnny Yes, bootlegger Tony Carnero aka Tony the

0:37:54.719 --> 0:37:57.600
<v Speaker 3>Hat he also wanted in. He wanted to open his

0:37:57.600 --> 0:38:00.560
<v Speaker 3>own casino in Las Vegas, the Star Dust, he'd call it.

0:38:01.320 --> 0:38:02.000
<v Speaker 2>The problem was.

0:38:01.920 --> 0:38:02.880
<v Speaker 3>The gaming license.

0:38:02.960 --> 0:38:03.560
<v Speaker 2>That's a tough one.

0:38:03.760 --> 0:38:06.719
<v Speaker 3>It is tough one. I hear. The Nevada Gaming Commission

0:38:06.760 --> 0:38:07.120
<v Speaker 3>is tough.

0:38:07.239 --> 0:38:11.959
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The cowboys are a little skeptical of outsiders.

0:38:12.320 --> 0:38:14.759
<v Speaker 3>So you can't get a gaming license if you have

0:38:14.840 --> 0:38:17.360
<v Speaker 3>prior convictions or association criminal association.

0:38:17.440 --> 0:38:18.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's the big one for the mom.

0:38:18.800 --> 0:38:21.720
<v Speaker 3>Right. So Tony Cornero he couldn't get the gaming license,

0:38:21.920 --> 0:38:24.960
<v Speaker 3>so he leased the casino to a small group of investors.

0:38:25.600 --> 0:38:28.280
<v Speaker 3>The Gaming Commission wouldn't issue the license without a list

0:38:28.360 --> 0:38:32.240
<v Speaker 3>of those investors. He didn't provide it. Construction gets stalled.

0:38:32.600 --> 0:38:35.720
<v Speaker 3>The lease is eventually approved, but deals kept falling apart,

0:38:35.719 --> 0:38:38.160
<v Speaker 3>and the place wasn't even open at this point, And

0:38:38.239 --> 0:38:41.960
<v Speaker 3>eventually it winds up in receivership, and so buyers stepped up.

0:38:42.320 --> 0:38:44.600
<v Speaker 3>They wanted to buy it. They're super eager to grab

0:38:44.640 --> 0:38:47.600
<v Speaker 3>this hot property in Vegas. It's about to be completed.

0:38:48.160 --> 0:38:50.640
<v Speaker 3>The winning bid was put forward by none other than

0:38:50.760 --> 0:38:55.680
<v Speaker 3>Relea Factor, wife of John whoa she helped. So she

0:38:56.040 --> 0:38:59.720
<v Speaker 3>goes up there, she bids who helped pay the price

0:38:59.760 --> 0:39:02.319
<v Speaker 3>tag of four point three million dollars, which is like

0:39:02.680 --> 0:39:05.359
<v Speaker 3>forty six and a half million dollars today. Oh god, yeah,

0:39:05.520 --> 0:39:08.960
<v Speaker 3>she's like, here's my bid, who helped her? Big tuna,

0:39:09.520 --> 0:39:13.319
<v Speaker 3>Big tuna. So there's John Factor running a casino with

0:39:13.520 --> 0:39:14.040
<v Speaker 3>the mob.

0:39:14.040 --> 0:39:16.319
<v Speaker 2>With Ado, with Anthony acarda like.

0:39:18.160 --> 0:39:20.880
<v Speaker 3>So the Factors, though, they're becoming a fixture, not in

0:39:20.960 --> 0:39:24.000
<v Speaker 3>Vegas but in La. They lived at eleven eighty five

0:39:24.080 --> 0:39:27.520
<v Speaker 3>Loma Linda Drive in Beverly Hills, which area a property

0:39:27.560 --> 0:39:30.240
<v Speaker 3>that is actually currently for rent as of this recording.

0:39:31.360 --> 0:39:34.360
<v Speaker 3>Of course I did. It's thirty two thousand dollars a

0:39:34.400 --> 0:39:38.080
<v Speaker 3>month to rent this place. It's a lot more. It's okay.

0:39:38.120 --> 0:39:41.440
<v Speaker 3>It's on a little more than half acre, looks out

0:39:41.480 --> 0:39:44.279
<v Speaker 3>over the city of Angels in the ocean beyond. So

0:39:44.320 --> 0:39:46.759
<v Speaker 3>the Factors were living large. If you want to go

0:39:46.800 --> 0:39:50.439
<v Speaker 3>look on Zillo, you can tour the home rabbit Hole.

0:39:50.719 --> 0:39:54.160
<v Speaker 3>So at the John Factor he's still owning and running

0:39:54.200 --> 0:39:56.680
<v Speaker 3>the casino and giving a taste or a very big

0:39:56.680 --> 0:40:01.239
<v Speaker 3>bite to Acardo. But they were very generous in their philanthropy,

0:40:01.800 --> 0:40:05.400
<v Speaker 3>John and his wife. In nineteen sixty John Factor was

0:40:05.440 --> 0:40:09.200
<v Speaker 3>the largest individual donor to John F. Kennedy's presidential campaign

0:40:09.640 --> 0:40:12.839
<v Speaker 3>with twenty thousand dollars. That's like two hundred thousand dollars today.

0:40:12.920 --> 0:40:15.280
<v Speaker 2>The Chicago outfit got John Kennedy.

0:40:15.320 --> 0:40:17.440
<v Speaker 3>So it's always good to buy.

0:40:17.239 --> 0:40:19.719
<v Speaker 2>In, Yes, exactly, get in on the ground floor of

0:40:19.719 --> 0:40:20.880
<v Speaker 2>a presidency.

0:40:21.400 --> 0:40:24.680
<v Speaker 3>You'll see in nineteen sixty two, he sells the hotel

0:40:24.680 --> 0:40:29.040
<v Speaker 3>and Casino, a very very profitable hotel and casino, for

0:40:29.200 --> 0:40:33.799
<v Speaker 3>only fourteen million to another mob frontman Mode Dallits Oh

0:40:33.840 --> 0:40:37.279
<v Speaker 3>and so yeah, in the seven years that he ran it,

0:40:37.520 --> 0:40:40.600
<v Speaker 3>the casino brought in close to two hundred million dollars.

0:40:40.719 --> 0:40:43.839
<v Speaker 3>And then he turns around and sells it for fourteen million. Yeah,

0:40:43.920 --> 0:40:45.000
<v Speaker 3>so quite the deal.

0:40:46.560 --> 0:40:46.919
<v Speaker 2>Is Yeah.

0:40:47.360 --> 0:40:51.640
<v Speaker 3>So later that year someone darkened his doorway. Another mobster,

0:40:52.080 --> 0:40:56.520
<v Speaker 3>I'm guessing close the Feds. So remember that whiskey warehouse

0:40:56.560 --> 0:41:00.360
<v Speaker 3>receipt thing. He was convicted on multiple counts of mail fraud.

0:41:00.880 --> 0:41:02.680
<v Speaker 2>Did time mail fraud? It gets you every time.

0:41:02.719 --> 0:41:04.920
<v Speaker 3>And remember how I told you that the border guards

0:41:04.920 --> 0:41:08.960
<v Speaker 3>in El Paso were told that he was born in England. Well,

0:41:09.080 --> 0:41:13.120
<v Speaker 3>it seems since his whiskey scam conviction, immigration laws had changed.

0:41:13.480 --> 0:41:15.640
<v Speaker 3>It used to be that in order to deport someone,

0:41:15.719 --> 0:41:18.040
<v Speaker 3>they had to be convicted in at least two separate

0:41:18.080 --> 0:41:20.960
<v Speaker 3>cases before deportation proceedings could move forward.

0:41:21.239 --> 0:41:21.720
<v Speaker 2>Just one.

0:41:21.840 --> 0:41:24.839
<v Speaker 3>The law changed. A person was now deportable if they

0:41:24.880 --> 0:41:27.800
<v Speaker 3>got convicted of more than one count in a single case.

0:41:28.000 --> 0:41:31.880
<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, thusly Factor could now be deported. Yes, so

0:41:32.360 --> 0:41:34.600
<v Speaker 3>the same law had just been used to issue a

0:41:34.640 --> 0:41:39.320
<v Speaker 3>deportation order for Frank Castello, boss of the Luciano bribe family.

0:41:39.920 --> 0:41:43.000
<v Speaker 3>The government tried to strip his naturalized citizenship in the

0:41:43.000 --> 0:41:45.239
<v Speaker 3>fifties but it didn't work out. But now they're going

0:41:45.280 --> 0:41:46.160
<v Speaker 3>after John Factor.

0:41:46.360 --> 0:41:49.120
<v Speaker 2>So Factor and he's got twenty four years hanging over him.

0:41:49.120 --> 0:41:50.440
<v Speaker 2>If this goes through exactly.

0:41:50.880 --> 0:41:53.279
<v Speaker 3>So he had recently been named Man of the Year

0:41:53.320 --> 0:41:56.680
<v Speaker 3>by a local Jewish charitable organization. Of course, he goes

0:41:56.719 --> 0:42:00.239
<v Speaker 3>and he tells the press he's outraged as the year

0:42:00.480 --> 0:42:03.000
<v Speaker 3>it keeps coming up in all the news articles that, like,

0:42:03.600 --> 0:42:05.160
<v Speaker 3>you know, he was named man of the year, and

0:42:05.200 --> 0:42:07.880
<v Speaker 3>they don't name it. It's just a local Jewish charitable organization.

0:42:08.040 --> 0:42:09.360
<v Speaker 2>I don't know it's one that he started.

0:42:10.280 --> 0:42:12.480
<v Speaker 3>So this is what he tells the press quote, I

0:42:12.560 --> 0:42:15.480
<v Speaker 3>just can't believe it. It's a horrible thing. This conviction

0:42:15.600 --> 0:42:19.480
<v Speaker 3>happened twenty years ago. Since then, I've always cooperated with

0:42:19.520 --> 0:42:22.080
<v Speaker 3>the government as far as I'm concerned. I believe I

0:42:22.120 --> 0:42:24.319
<v Speaker 3>am just as good an American as anyone. I will

0:42:24.320 --> 0:42:27.960
<v Speaker 3>fight this case all the way. What else can I do?

0:42:28.200 --> 0:42:30.359
<v Speaker 2>Play out there?

0:42:30.520 --> 0:42:32.880
<v Speaker 3>Remember Factor had friends in high places.

0:42:32.920 --> 0:42:33.799
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, and low ones.

0:42:33.920 --> 0:42:37.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. It was a US Attorney General, Robert Kennedy who

0:42:37.680 --> 0:42:39.720
<v Speaker 3>put the wheels in motion to deport Factor.

0:42:39.880 --> 0:42:40.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, yeah.

0:42:41.200 --> 0:42:43.400
<v Speaker 3>RFK was going hard on organized crime.

0:42:43.600 --> 0:42:46.759
<v Speaker 2>He was so wild about that. Elected He's like, I'm

0:42:46.800 --> 0:42:48.160
<v Speaker 2>going to bite the hand that feeds me and go

0:42:48.200 --> 0:42:49.520
<v Speaker 2>after anything else I can't, right.

0:42:49.600 --> 0:42:52.839
<v Speaker 3>Well, so what triggered the look at factor was the

0:42:52.880 --> 0:42:56.720
<v Speaker 3>low sales price of the startup, of course, and RFK

0:42:56.880 --> 0:42:59.759
<v Speaker 3>wanted to know who really owned the startup. And then

0:43:00.160 --> 0:43:02.840
<v Speaker 3>a gaming commission, we're looking into the stardust in hope

0:43:02.960 --> 0:43:04.960
<v Speaker 3>of capturing like hidden mafia ass.

0:43:05.680 --> 0:43:06.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:43:06.280 --> 0:43:10.120
<v Speaker 3>So RFK had to be stopped in Factors estimation and

0:43:10.200 --> 0:43:14.880
<v Speaker 3>the only the only help would come from his brother JFK.

0:43:15.360 --> 0:43:17.600
<v Speaker 2>Max Factor's brother. Oh wait, oh I got it.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, go on, so remember Factors twenty thousand dollars donation

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<v Speaker 3>to President Kennedy. It didn't stop there, I bet not.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's what happens. A made man working for Chicago mob

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<v Speaker 3>boss Sam g and Conna. He goes outside of the

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<v Speaker 3>bar where they all hung out like their little club house, and.

0:43:34.040 --> 0:43:36.360
<v Speaker 2>Sam Zondher got him elected, got youa elected.

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<v Speaker 3>So this made man walks out and he walks up

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<v Speaker 3>to an FBI surveillance tale parked across the street. It's

0:43:41.840 --> 0:43:44.040
<v Speaker 3>like leans up against the car. And this is what

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<v Speaker 3>agents later relayed. He said, quote this is their report.

0:43:48.160 --> 0:43:50.920
<v Speaker 3>English is bemoaning the fact that the federal government is

0:43:50.960 --> 0:43:53.359
<v Speaker 3>closing in on the organization and nothing can be done

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<v Speaker 3>about it. He made several bad remarks about the Kennedy

0:43:56.080 --> 0:43:59.080
<v Speaker 3>administration and pointed out that the Attorney General raising money

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<v Speaker 3>for the Cuba invaders makes Chicago syndicate look like amateurs. Wow,

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<v Speaker 3>see here's what he's referring. This is his reference. RFK

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<v Speaker 3>had been working the phones trying to drum up donations

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<v Speaker 3>to help rescue Bay of Pigs survivors. Yes, and it

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't just a kind request, it was mafia flavor. He

0:44:18.160 --> 0:44:20.920
<v Speaker 3>would tell executives and rich guys, you know, hey, you

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<v Speaker 3>know you have contracts waiting to be approved by a shakeman. Yeah,

0:44:24.160 --> 0:44:26.040
<v Speaker 3>and you know, maybe you have a pending criminal case.

0:44:26.040 --> 0:44:27.600
<v Speaker 3>He just calls him a pay did you get you

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<v Speaker 3>at the top.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the line. Doesn't keep you out of book?

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<v Speaker 3>No, not even that, Not this will do that. He

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<v Speaker 3>just says, here's a fact, you have a contract that

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<v Speaker 3>needs approval. And when they try and say something, he

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<v Speaker 3>would cut him off and he'd say, you know, it's crazy,

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<v Speaker 3>we have this fund to rescue the Cubans. He's never

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<v Speaker 3>telling him, if you.

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<v Speaker 2>Do this, you can't say the tit for tap, but

0:44:44.680 --> 0:44:46.319
<v Speaker 2>you say one, then you say that's the only things

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<v Speaker 2>you say.

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<v Speaker 3>And then he'd hang up. That was it so total shakedown.

0:44:49.840 --> 0:44:53.000
<v Speaker 3>Factor knew about this, and he knew that would be leverage,

0:44:53.160 --> 0:44:56.240
<v Speaker 3>so he donated twenty five thousand dollars to this fund

0:44:57.000 --> 0:44:59.759
<v Speaker 3>Bay of Pigs, and when asked by the press about it,

0:44:59.800 --> 0:45:02.719
<v Speaker 3>he it's just because it's a cause I believe in Maria.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm good America.

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<v Speaker 3>Christmas Day in nineteen sixty two, John factors.

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<v Speaker 2>He's always busy on Christmas Day.

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<v Speaker 3>It's always busy, well, especially here he gets pardoned by

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<v Speaker 3>President Kennedy.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh there you go. The Christmas Day pardon has completely.

0:45:15.400 --> 0:45:18.560
<v Speaker 3>Wiped his record put an immediate stop to the deportation order.

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<v Speaker 2>Hmm.

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<v Speaker 3>Factor said of the pardon, quote, I'm very surprised and grateful.

0:45:22.960 --> 0:45:25.480
<v Speaker 3>I hope I have earned it. It's a wonderful Christmas present,

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<v Speaker 3>and I believe justice has been done.

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<v Speaker 2>JFK said. And I leave Bobby Alow.

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<v Speaker 3>And what's weird is that it's like, you know, anyway,

0:45:32.719 --> 0:45:35.160
<v Speaker 3>I'll get to this part. So not everyone is so happy.

0:45:35.600 --> 0:45:39.120
<v Speaker 3>GOP national chairman William Miller says, quote, I think it

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<v Speaker 3>is incumbent on the administration to assure the American people

0:45:42.520 --> 0:45:45.839
<v Speaker 3>in no uncertain terms that the presidential pardon granted John

0:45:45.880 --> 0:45:48.160
<v Speaker 3>factor is in no way connected with the fact that

0:45:48.200 --> 0:45:50.920
<v Speaker 3>he and his wife were substantial contributors to the cause

0:45:50.920 --> 0:45:53.719
<v Speaker 3>of the Democratic Party. Our system of justice would be

0:45:53.719 --> 0:45:56.319
<v Speaker 3>in great jeopardy if the day comes when persons of

0:45:56.320 --> 0:45:58.759
<v Speaker 3>wealth can obtain leniency in such a manner.

0:45:58.680 --> 0:45:59.640
<v Speaker 2>Too many words, brouh.

0:45:59.680 --> 0:46:01.560
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, dude, are you new here? This is how

0:46:01.560 --> 0:46:02.000
<v Speaker 3>it works.

0:46:02.000 --> 0:46:03.879
<v Speaker 2>And you got to say it faster than that. Even

0:46:03.920 --> 0:46:05.799
<v Speaker 2>in the sixties you say it faster than that.

0:46:05.920 --> 0:46:07.680
<v Speaker 3>Of course, if you have money, you get out of there.

0:46:07.760 --> 0:46:11.560
<v Speaker 2>Yes, exactly, that's what happens. Anyway. I suspect this is

0:46:11.560 --> 0:46:14.160
<v Speaker 2>an excessive use of dirty money, like say something like that.

0:46:14.200 --> 0:46:14.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

0:46:14.719 --> 0:46:17.960
<v Speaker 3>It wasn't my use of dirty money with someone else, exactly.

0:46:17.960 --> 0:46:19.680
<v Speaker 2>It is not how we used dirty money in this town.

0:46:20.520 --> 0:46:25.880
<v Speaker 3>What's crazy, though, is that RFK had actually changed the

0:46:25.920 --> 0:46:29.800
<v Speaker 3>protocol for pardons right before this all happened. So well, okay,

0:46:29.840 --> 0:46:31.520
<v Speaker 3>it used to be that the request went to the

0:46:31.520 --> 0:46:33.960
<v Speaker 3>Department of Justice and then it went to the President

0:46:34.239 --> 0:46:35.440
<v Speaker 3>and he swapped it.

0:46:35.719 --> 0:46:36.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't know why.

0:46:36.719 --> 0:46:38.719
<v Speaker 3>So requests had to go right to the top and

0:46:38.760 --> 0:46:40.799
<v Speaker 3>then be sent to the dj to execute them.

0:46:41.120 --> 0:46:43.560
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, so they just finalized the paperwork.

0:46:43.680 --> 0:46:45.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and so the thing is, though, is it most

0:46:45.600 --> 0:46:47.920
<v Speaker 3>usually like these would come in in a group of

0:46:48.040 --> 0:46:51.840
<v Speaker 3>pardons and factors. It was like a solo submission. It

0:46:51.880 --> 0:46:53.840
<v Speaker 3>was the only one. So, I mean it's pretty anyway.

0:46:54.480 --> 0:46:57.359
<v Speaker 3>So the threat of deportation has gone away, and so

0:46:57.440 --> 0:47:01.920
<v Speaker 3>did the investigation into the startist eight equals clean nice.

0:47:02.320 --> 0:47:05.439
<v Speaker 3>He never walked away from criminal life completely. At one

0:47:05.480 --> 0:47:08.120
<v Speaker 3>point he tried to bail out Jimmy Hoffa from financial

0:47:08.120 --> 0:47:09.799
<v Speaker 3>troubles to Florida real.

0:47:09.840 --> 0:47:11.640
<v Speaker 2>Estate, really taking the wrong side on that one.

0:47:11.719 --> 0:47:14.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he had another shady stock deal, this time with

0:47:14.320 --> 0:47:17.279
<v Speaker 3>Murray Humphries's old mob. But for the most part he

0:47:17.320 --> 0:47:21.879
<v Speaker 3>spent his sunset years as a philanthropist legit. And when

0:47:21.880 --> 0:47:24.800
<v Speaker 3>you look at newspaper articles, like they'll reference they always

0:47:24.880 --> 0:47:28.480
<v Speaker 3>reference the kidnapping, and then they are like veiled references

0:47:28.520 --> 0:47:31.200
<v Speaker 3>to the shadiness and then sometimes they'll talk about mob connections,

0:47:31.200 --> 0:47:34.359
<v Speaker 3>but very rarely in these newspaper articles at the time,

0:47:34.440 --> 0:47:36.839
<v Speaker 3>and they just say he's a developer, he's a businessman,

0:47:38.160 --> 0:47:41.719
<v Speaker 3>so the legitimate businessman exactly. So he donated money to

0:47:41.719 --> 0:47:44.800
<v Speaker 3>build all sorts of parks and buildings and like social efforts.

0:47:45.280 --> 0:47:46.440
<v Speaker 2>So he was money watching his.

0:47:46.440 --> 0:47:49.920
<v Speaker 3>Name, Yeah, all over California, but particularly in inner city

0:47:50.040 --> 0:47:53.560
<v Speaker 3>underserved communities where he really like dumped money. So he

0:47:53.600 --> 0:47:56.080
<v Speaker 3>died in nineteen eighty four. He was ninety one years old.

0:47:56.760 --> 0:47:59.600
<v Speaker 3>His funeral was attended by three US senators and the

0:47:59.640 --> 0:48:03.239
<v Speaker 3>mayor of Los Angeles. Yeah, what year eighty four? So

0:48:03.360 --> 0:48:07.560
<v Speaker 3>Tom Bradley, Tom Bradley, and he's alongside hundreds of people

0:48:07.760 --> 0:48:11.239
<v Speaker 3>who he'd helped through charitable donations over the years. Not

0:48:11.400 --> 0:48:12.920
<v Speaker 3>bad for a poor kid from Poland.

0:48:13.040 --> 0:48:16.200
<v Speaker 2>Seriously, and to be the lesser factor, I mean, he's

0:48:16.200 --> 0:48:18.880
<v Speaker 2>not Max exactly. He's still killing.

0:48:19.080 --> 0:48:21.439
<v Speaker 3>And a lot of accounts said that he died from

0:48:21.440 --> 0:48:24.239
<v Speaker 3>a long undisclosed illness, but he was ninety one. That

0:48:24.320 --> 0:48:25.840
<v Speaker 3>illness was life.

0:48:26.520 --> 0:48:29.240
<v Speaker 2>It finally got him, you know, I imagine like prostate

0:48:29.280 --> 0:48:30.080
<v Speaker 2>cancer or something like that.

0:48:31.120 --> 0:48:36.319
<v Speaker 3>Anyway, so he yeah, he's a long way from Poland. Dang, Yeah,

0:48:36.440 --> 0:48:40.080
<v Speaker 3>I loved What is your ridiculous takeaway.

0:48:39.880 --> 0:48:42.360
<v Speaker 2>That I did not know Anthony or Carter's nickname was

0:48:42.440 --> 0:48:46.040
<v Speaker 2>beg Tona, Like, I mean, wow, Burnett, I'm really falling

0:48:46.080 --> 0:48:47.839
<v Speaker 2>down in the game. I mean, I hope my father

0:48:47.880 --> 0:48:52.120
<v Speaker 2>didn't hear this one man. No, that was great. I'd

0:48:52.120 --> 0:48:55.720
<v Speaker 2>love that I did not know that Max Factor's brother

0:48:55.880 --> 0:48:58.080
<v Speaker 2>was a mobster and that he was so connected to

0:48:58.080 --> 0:49:00.279
<v Speaker 2>so many mobsters that I did love and I haven't

0:49:00.320 --> 0:49:02.680
<v Speaker 2>learned about throughout my childhood. I mean, I've heard all

0:49:02.680 --> 0:49:05.000
<v Speaker 2>these stories of these guys, never really heard about the

0:49:05.120 --> 0:49:05.840
<v Speaker 2>lesser factor.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think something that I love, Thank you for asking.

0:49:09.680 --> 0:49:15.719
<v Speaker 3>Uh here, his nickname is Jake the Barber total and

0:49:15.800 --> 0:49:19.239
<v Speaker 3>he never kills anybody. Yeah, he's not violent, like.

0:49:19.400 --> 0:49:23.080
<v Speaker 2>Doesn't even bring blades into his stuff. Like he briefly

0:49:23.120 --> 0:49:24.520
<v Speaker 2>worked as a barber, take.

0:49:24.360 --> 0:49:26.560
<v Speaker 3>The barber and he's just like, no, literally, I cut her.

0:49:27.040 --> 0:49:29.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's looking to work as like a garbage man

0:49:29.239 --> 0:49:30.959
<v Speaker 2>or like a fishmonger. I mean that could have stuck

0:49:30.960 --> 0:49:33.120
<v Speaker 2>with him, making Jake the fishmonger. That would have sucked.

0:49:33.800 --> 0:49:34.399
<v Speaker 3>That would suck.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it.

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