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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Saren Elizabeth, Saren Elizabeth, what's up? How are you doing? Good?

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Speaker 3: Good listen? You know what's ridiculous?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm so glad you asked. I've been

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Speaker 2: waiting to tell you. Game of Thrones. Yeah, that's pretty right. Okay,

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Speaker 2: you know the Knights watch you know nothing, John Snow, No,

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Speaker 2: you know the show? Right? Okay, there's a show called Throne.

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Speaker 3: I've not seen it.

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Speaker 2: You've never seen.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I you know, I joke say.

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Speaker 2: I don't watch TV.

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Speaker 3: You know, I watch a hell of a lot of TV,

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Speaker 3: but I've actually I don't watch You've.

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Speaker 2: Never seen Game of Thrones, not even a single minute. No,

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Speaker 2: I've seen like a minute or okay, we are you

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Speaker 2: familiar that there are guys on the show who are

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Speaker 2: wearing big furry black jackets. You've seen them. Sure, they're

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Speaker 2: called the Knight's Watch. Okay, right now, those big dope

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Speaker 2: black shag that they're wearing. It turns out that those

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Speaker 2: were made from they look like their enormous bear skin

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Speaker 2: rug like some kind of like what wear yak, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: exactly like saber to wear yak. Anyway, So those are

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Speaker 2: actually a Kia rug get out. They were like shaggy

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Speaker 2: white Ikea floor rugs that they then died black and

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Speaker 2: then they like tailored into coat. So the next time

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Speaker 2: you watch the Night's watch those are Ikea rug very clever.

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Speaker 2: Sorry to spoil that show, but it's spoiled itself.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, from what I've heard. Yeah, no, that's very cool.

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Speaker 2: That ridiculous. That is ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 2: So I'm going to be doing that, ma, getting all

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Speaker 2: my clothing at Ikea floor shows.

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Speaker 3: Okay, this sounds good, I'll drive you do you know

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Speaker 3: what else is ridiculous? No, that's why I'm here holding

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Speaker 3: out on legs, Diamond. No, this is ridiculous crime a

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Speaker 3: podcast about absurd and outrageous capers. Heis and cons It's

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Speaker 3: always ninety nine percent murder free, one percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: You damn right. Welcome back.

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Speaker 3: Once upon a time there were two boys, Maximilian and

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Speaker 3: Yako Okay, half brothers, fifteen years apart in age. The

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Speaker 3: family lived in Poland at like the turn of the

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Speaker 3: twentieth century. They were hard workers, but terribly poor. Maximilian,

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Speaker 3: he had been working since the age of eight. When

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Speaker 3: he was nine, he got a job as an apprentice

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Speaker 3: for a wig maker. Had work. Yeah, a nine year

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Speaker 2: Well, there's that, I'm sure from there had some chemicals

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Speaker 2: that are not good for sure, his skins turning blue.

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Speaker 3: He got a job at a cosmetics and hairstyling company

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Speaker 3: in Berlin, and then by the time he was fourteen,

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Speaker 3: he was working at a wig maker and cosmetician in Moscow. Wow,

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Speaker 3: dolling up the Imperial Russian Grand Opera thirteen years old.

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Speaker 2: Whoa, I forget the child labor laws. I'm impressed with his.

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Speaker 3: Talents and the time, the speed is Yeah. So he's

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Speaker 3: served in the Imperial Army in Russia for a spell,

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Speaker 3: and then he opened a shop and he sold handmade makeup,

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Speaker 3: perfume and wigs and yeah, this nice thing. All of

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Speaker 3: the theater folks loved and used his products.

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Speaker 2: They were so into it. He's innovative too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well he was, and he was eventually chosen as

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Speaker 3: as well as the opera.

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Speaker 2: What do you do for a living? I am the

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Speaker 2: cosmetics expert for the royal family.

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Speaker 3: Yeah that sounds good. It drew a lot of attention

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Speaker 3: to him and his young family. But not all of

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Speaker 3: it good because I've mentioned in other episodes that there

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Speaker 3: was incredible anti Semitism in Eastern Europe at the time.

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Speaker 3: Ah yes, not just discriminatory but violence.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, not real life. Yeah bad so.

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Speaker 3: In nineteen oh four, at the age of twenty seven,

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Speaker 3: Maximilian and his family went to America. Good call, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's a common story. Once there, they met up with

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Speaker 3: his older brother in Saint Louis. Meet me in Saint Louis.

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Speaker 2: He said, They said, sure, and I'll be there.

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Speaker 3: But what of Yakka?

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Speaker 2: What of Yakika? I've been wondering about old Yaka.

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Speaker 3: He and the rest of the family met up with

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Speaker 2: Ye Echo was twelve. Is I like Jacob Jacob?

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Speaker 3: Ye so Maximilian And that's m A K S Y

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Speaker 3: M I L I A N whoa.

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Speaker 3: He was taking the world by storm, folks. Maximilian Factrowitz

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Speaker 2: Oh wait a minute, I'm hearing it now, you don't.

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Speaker 3: He had the opportunity to sell his cosmetics at the

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Speaker 3: nineteen oh four World Fare U huh. He changed his

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, his business partner made off with all of the

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Speaker 2: He changed his name to Maybell Maybelene.

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Speaker 3: Go On Loriel. So Maximilian was crushed. Absolutely. His family

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Speaker 3: was there for him though. They helped him open a

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Speaker 2: How about I know you've been.

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Speaker 3: High flying and doing how we want to cut hair

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Speaker 2: How about shaven haircut too?

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Speaker 3: But was the sweet hair?

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Speaker 3: Not me no, So it would be a good business

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Speaker 2: Feet, people need to do hair all the time, totally.

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Speaker 3: People have hair, they need hair.

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Speaker 2: They need to cut all the time.

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Speaker 3: People like to gather up the hair at the barber

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Speaker 2: Like Elvis for dinner, save it and bring it over

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Speaker 3: But he didn't give up on his dream though. A

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Speaker 3: Like I said, Maximilian wanted more. He headed to Los

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Speaker 2: Ow under his new name sl Right.

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Speaker 3: So then soon all of the starlets they wanted his

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Speaker 3: All of the starlets want it his service. Uh, everyone

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Speaker 2: They wanted services.

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Speaker 3: The services for the services, Beddie Davis service, Queen Lucille

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Speaker 2: Oh that was the that's huge.

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Speaker 3: He also pretty much invented like pancake makeup foundation.

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Speaker 2: Clara Bo was the first girl. She was the first

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Speaker 3: He did this all under a new name that he'd

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Speaker 3: given himself and eventual cosmetics Empire Max Factor.

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Speaker 2: Down. I was so certain it was.

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Speaker 3: No affect Horowitz. So while Max Factor was making the

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Speaker 2: What of Young?

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Speaker 2: What of Young?

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Speaker 3: Asked that, we asked that all the time.

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Speaker 3: He changed his name to Eve Saint Laurel. No, he

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Speaker 2: He's now known as Rudolph Valentino.

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Speaker 3: Yes, he changed his name too, though, and he kind

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Speaker 3: of shortened it like Max did. He became John Factor.

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Speaker 3: John he's got the John factors max factor, max factor

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Speaker 2: No, John Factor, non factor sounds like something that's like, oh,

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Speaker 3: Because of this job that he had cutting her, he

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Speaker 2: I bet Jake the barber that is not a.

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Speaker 3: Good called him Jake the Barber. So John moved on

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Speaker 2: And everyone knows it's Jake the snake, Brutus the barber.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it goes it might be the only one.

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Speaker 2: They mixed it up. Okay, we'll go on. So he's

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Speaker 3: And just like Max Over on the West Coast, John

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Speaker 2: Oh he's the bad brother.

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Speaker 3: He's the bad brother.

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Speaker 2: He's on this show right now. It's just a story

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Speaker 3: Setting hair make up this wholesome America. And you know what,

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Speaker 3: the crime was a crime of fashion. Okay, so cutting

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Speaker 3: Nineteen nineteen, he's indicted on a federal warrant for stock fraud. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: In nineteen nineteen. Yeah, it's like ten years before everyone

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Speaker 3: Ok So, remember Addison and Wilson Meisner and the Florida

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Speaker 3: going to take you right back there, please. Who would

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Speaker 2: Con artists and and sham up people.

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Speaker 3: No, it's right for the picking Addison meister. He went bankrupt.

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Speaker 3: Wilson just got all the way out of town. Factor

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Speaker 3: wasn't so lucky. He was indicted for land fraud.

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Speaker 2: Oh, he got caught on the swamp, caught and.

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Speaker 3: He likely he was likely selling plots that didn't even exist.

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Speaker 2: Oh, he wasn't even selling bad swamp.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like, oh, you can build on this swamp.

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Speaker 2: He's like, there's no land there.

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Speaker 3: Go to this address. They're like that that numbers not

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Speaker 2: In the world. And he's like, yeah, in Biscayne Bay.

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Speaker 3: So he collected even more indictments over the next few years,

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Speaker 3: this time for larceny mail fraud. He had a lot

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Speaker 3: getting indicted. So then he got into the gold mines

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Speaker 2: I once told you the field was littered with gems.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, refer to your notes. The government didn't catch him

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Speaker 3: on this one, but it was like similar, and he

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Speaker 2: From it.

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Speaker 3: Oh really yeah, selling all these fake minds.

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Speaker 3: And then he goes back to Chicago. So he's got

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Speaker 3: all this money, he buys a fourteen room apartment on

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Speaker 2: Smart.

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Speaker 3: Yeah swank, Hillary Swank was there. He was a long

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Speaker 2: Though, always always going to need a money.

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Speaker 2: I'm always looking for that myself.

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Speaker 3: He knew just the guy, your guy. In late nineteen

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Speaker 2: I didn't want to ruin the timing of you what

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Speaker 3: So, as you've mentioned, this is the criminal mastermind from

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Speaker 2: It's this point. Yeah, he's four years off of his

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah. Factor asks him for fifty thousand dollars as

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Speaker 3: So early nineteen twenty four, Factor heads to London. Once there,

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Speaker 2: That's going to beat your five year lipper average.

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Speaker 3: Exactly exactly in the motor Trend car of the year Ward.

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Speaker 3: So Factor he paid people out. At first, it was

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Speaker 2: In that money in that money.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So he's right that no one went to the cops.

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Speaker 2: He come across this often with a very very wealthy yeah,

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Speaker 2: I lost pocket change.

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Speaker 3: And no one went to the cops. He got away

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Speaker 3: with it. So he heads back to the States and

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Speaker 2: And I've got to start fleecing the ultra wealthy. Elizabeth,

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Speaker 3: Make me more than the lotto tickets?

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Speaker 3: Anyway, he cuts Rothstein in It's like, here's your share.

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Speaker 2: That was easy. You got to pay off the brain.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So the brain is so happy that he funds

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Speaker 2: And that's rare. He doesn't usually like to be increasing

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Speaker 3: So Factor headed over. He set up shop in this

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's a fancy office. He starts a stock

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Speaker 2: In company sounds completely legit, totally.

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Speaker 3: He tells his clients, I have a great opportunity for you.

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Speaker 3: It's a stock called Triplex, which sounds like something now

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Speaker 2: It sounds made up. Yeah, if you're and even now.

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Speaker 3: it was trading at about, you know, American dollars four

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Speaker 3: The Factor said that he would turn around and buy

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Speaker 2: Buy it for I'll buy it back from you at six.

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Speaker 3: I don't get it.

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Speaker 2: People didn't ask why do you need this mediary?

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Speaker 3: I don't know. So the dupes are hooked though.

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Speaker 2: Land on another Africa.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, yeah, and there's Stokes. They're like, oh, look

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Speaker 3: Meanwhile, back at home, there was trouble for Rothstein. The

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Speaker 2: Oh he was murdered.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, like that's why that point five percent.

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Speaker 3: So he gets killed over debts that he owed from

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So he was shot at Park Central Hotel died

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Speaker 3: He would only say, you stick to your trade. I'll

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's my point five percent here.

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Speaker 3: So one of Rothstein's right hand men was a guy

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Speaker 2: You also have to wonder how does a man get

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Speaker 2: like he's probably super tall. I know, but Legs.

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Speaker 3: Everyone's like, I can't help but look at the stick exactly.

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Speaker 2: It's like gams hot gams. I would suspect that he

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So either way, Legs figured that he was picking

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: One of those was factors the same game, new name, Right,

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Speaker 3: He's got factors London stock scam. So who's going to

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Speaker 3: take that? Factor though, thought that since Rothstein was now dead,

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Speaker 3: so Legs reaches out to Factor and he tells him

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Speaker 2: He's like, look, I'm the new man.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm the big boss. Now you pay me Legs diamonds. See,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, buddy, eight million back then.

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Speaker 3: Uh huh, eight million back then. When we come back,

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Speaker 3: I'll Russia. I'll tell you how that goes for Jacob.

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Speaker 2: I bet it didn't go well. Hello Zaren, Hello Elizabeth.

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Speaker 3: When I left off, when I left you hanging Yes,

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Speaker 2: And Legs, I mean he's tall, he's got, he's just.

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Speaker 3: It takes like three strides and he's walked like a

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Speaker 3: he had to that heat. So in December of nineteen

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Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, to Mexico.

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Speaker 3: The sole purpose was to get to see a Dad

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Speaker 2: Oh. He wasn't doing like the Trotsky to go see

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Speaker 3: He was like, I gotta get back home.

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Speaker 2: I got to get back. How do I sneak into America? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: a sworn statement that he was born in England in Hull.

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00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,280
Speaker 3: To be exact, that was actually true. He was born

445
00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:03,919
Speaker 3: had been born in England to a Polish family who

446
00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,359
Speaker 3: later moved back to Poland. Right, Okay, so you know

447
00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,600
Speaker 3: he's trying to avoid all this detection, but he's got

448
00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:09,920
Speaker 3: to swear something when he comes in.

449
00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:11,600
Speaker 2: Now. Quick question. I'm not sure if you know this.

450
00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:13,240
Speaker 2: If you're born in England, does that make you an

451
00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:16,480
Speaker 2: English subject? I believe so, okay, I'm just wondering. I

452
00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,159
Speaker 2: don't know how that law goes. Yeah, I don't know

453
00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,359
Speaker 2: if we were a citizenship is a birthright? Clitaizenship is common?

454
00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:22,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.

455
00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:23,720
Speaker 2: I know it's not common in a lot of places

456
00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:25,800
Speaker 2: in Europe. I thought maybe England, who knows.

457
00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:30,120
Speaker 3: Who knows quite frankly, who cares. So here's the problem. Though,

458
00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,280
Speaker 3: there was already a statement on file from nineteen oh

459
00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,160
Speaker 3: five that his parents had signed when they immigrated over

460
00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,200
Speaker 3: They said that he was a Russian national born in Poland.

461
00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,040
Speaker 2: They lied.

462
00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,159
Speaker 3: This opened a file on him and it didn't give

463
00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,120
Speaker 3: him trouble right then, but it would in the future.

464
00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:50,040
Speaker 3: So anyway, Factor knew that Legs was trying to like,

465
00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:51,639
Speaker 3: he is going to try and keep finding him. He

466
00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,159
Speaker 3: wasn't going to give up. He's he's leg Simon. So

467
00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,560
Speaker 3: Factor goes to Chicago and he looks for help from

468
00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:57,360
Speaker 3: the outfit.

469
00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:00,879
Speaker 2: Oh man, that's probably the best Icago. Yeah, go to

470
00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:02,520
Speaker 2: the sum at the top and go, hey, can you

471
00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:03,399
Speaker 2: ask protect me?

472
00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:07,720
Speaker 3: As it's called, so Murray the camel Humphries took him

473
00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,000
Speaker 3: in in exchange for a cut of all the cash

474
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,000
Speaker 3: that Factor was carrying, and a couple of years later,

475
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:16,800
Speaker 3: Legs Diamond is killed and Factor considered his debt to

476
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:17,800
Speaker 3: Legs erased.

477
00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,480
Speaker 2: Of course, that's it's one to.

478
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,879
Speaker 3: Collect it and whoever comes after Legs is like, I

479
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:24,320
Speaker 3: don't know about all these other things, you know.

480
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,120
Speaker 2: Anyway, So it's like in Hollywood where like the when

481
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,320
Speaker 2: an executive leaves all those projects die with them.

482
00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,560
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, so factor he comes out of hiding.

483
00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:36,680
Speaker 3: It's finally safe. But he was immediately arrested and because

484
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,640
Speaker 3: the Brits had put out a warrant for receiving property

485
00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:43,000
Speaker 3: that was fraudulently obtained. He was released on a fifty

486
00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:46,080
Speaker 3: thousand dollars bond, but a judge ruled that he should

487
00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:49,480
Speaker 3: be extradited to England. Why because the English are coming

488
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:53,600
Speaker 3: after him, Like, you know, it's the British warrant. Here's

489
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,240
Speaker 3: the thing, Like, in the time that he was on

490
00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 3: the run, he had already been tried and convicted in absentia.

491
00:21:58,280 --> 00:21:59,879
Speaker 2: There, okay, then that changes.

492
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 3: He sentenced to twenty four years in prison, hard labor definite.

493
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:04,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

494
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,800
Speaker 3: So his lawyers said that he hadn't conned anyone at all,

495
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,680
Speaker 3: that there was no fraud. They said that the clients

496
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 3: had in fact been given a little bit of land

497
00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 3: in South Africa's payment, and a federal judge agreed with

498
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 3: this and overruled the extradition.

499
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:18,240
Speaker 2: Oh there you go.

500
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, So the Justice Department appealed this decision and it

501
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:22,879
Speaker 3: went to the Supreme Court.

502
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 2: What all the way up?

503
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,359
Speaker 3: He and his lawyers used every delay tactic in the book,

504
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:33,120
Speaker 3: and something major happened. Zarin, Yes, closure out. I want

505
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:37,160
Speaker 3: you to picture it. It's midday on April eighteenth, nineteen

506
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,880
Speaker 3: thirty three, and you're a student at Northwestern University in Chicago.

507
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,920
Speaker 3: You've made lots of pals, and you love your studies,

508
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,400
Speaker 3: the books and paper and pencils and all that. You're

509
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,120
Speaker 3: standing outside the arch at the corner of Sheridan Road

510
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 3: and Chicago Avenue. The wind is whipping, so you pull

511
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 3: your scarf tighter around your neck and face. You're supposed

512
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,760
Speaker 3: to meet your friend Jerome here and then head out

513
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,359
Speaker 3: to get a bite to eat. Cars rubble passed, and

514
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 3: you adjust the strap on your book bag. You wish

515
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 3: you'd warn a thicker sweater. Two students laugh and chat

516
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 3: as they walk by. Otherwise the sidewalks are empty. You

517
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 3: keep your eyes open for Jerome and his small round glasses.

518
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 3: You spot him coming down the path from University Hall,

519
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,119
Speaker 3: a sweet grin on his face. As he approaches you

520
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 3: at the curb, a car comes screaming around the corner

521
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 3: and peels to a stock right in front of you.

522
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 3: Two thugs right out of the comics burst out of

523
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,639
Speaker 3: the back seat and grab Jerome on either side. His

524
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 3: little looks fall to the ground. They shove a rag

525
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 3: in his mouth and shuffle him toward the car. The

526
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 3: driver stares at you and shakes his head. You weekly

527
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 3: call out, you shouldn't do that. Do you know who

528
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 3: his pop is? The car races off and too sits horn.

529
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 3: You're left alone on the sidewalk wondering if you should

530
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 3: call the police or John Factor, Jerome's dad. Oh, Nat,

531
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 3: Jerome Factor has just been kidnapped. There's a ransom five

532
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 3: thousand dollars, which is one hundred and seventeen thousand dollars today.

533
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,359
Speaker 3: Two days after that, on what would have been the

534
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,199
Speaker 3: opening day of his hearing at the Supreme Court, another

535
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 3: ransom note arrived, this one for fifty thousand, which is

536
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 3: one point two million today. The kidnappers said that they

537
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 3: would send Jerome home in quote pieces if the ransom

538
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 3: wasn't paid. And a couple of days after that, another

539
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 3: ransom letter comes, this one for one hundred thousand, which

540
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 3: is two point three million dollars. Wow, do they just

541
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 3: keep amber better?

542
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:24,439
Speaker 2: Answer?

543
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,159
Speaker 3: Yeah. Detectives grabbed the guy who delivered the notes. He

544
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,360
Speaker 3: was questioned for less than an hour and then released.

545
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,119
Speaker 3: When he exited the station, reporters are everywhere. All the

546
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,399
Speaker 3: delivery man said to them was I can't talk to

547
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 3: you guys. Murray Humphries told me to keep my mouth shut.

548
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 3: So Factor assembled a crack team to find his son.

549
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 3: So he's got Murray Humphries, you know, putting the kibosh

550
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:52,120
Speaker 3: on everything. The cops are running their investigation, and Factor

551
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 3: calls in men from the outfits. They set up shop

552
00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 3: in a suite at the Congress Hotel. And this is

553
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 3: thirty three.

554
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 2: So Frank Nitty still alive. He's pretty much running it

555
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 2: at this point.

556
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 3: Pretty much. And so they get this beautiful suite at

557
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 3: the Congress Hotel in Chicago. The press we're calling it

558
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 3: the Hoodlum Detective Agency, and the cops didn't trust this operation,

559
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 3: so they raided it and they arrested the outfit guys,

560
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 3: Murray Humphries, machine Gun, Jack mcgern, Wow, Sam golf bag Hunt,

561
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 3: Tony Acardo, Oh wow, yeah, Frankie, Rio, Phil Deandria, and

562
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 3: Rocco de Grazia.

563
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 2: Dude Anthony Orcardo would later do murder ink he comes.

564
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 3: He comes up, So all of them tell the same story.

565
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 3: We're just working to get Jerome back. The cops didn't

566
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 3: really have anything, so they booked them on vagrancy charges.

567
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 3: You're just lounging about in the hotel room. Don't worry

568
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,159
Speaker 3: about it. Factor immediately posts their bail good. So, almost

569
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 3: a week after the kidnapping, there's a break in the case.

570
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 3: Jerome gets dropped off on the streets of Chicago.

571
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 2: Whoa, yeah, just like Frankie Junior to get out here

572
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 2: you go.

573
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 3: Exactly, But no abalony divers. So six men were eventually

574
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 3: arrested for Jerome's kidnapping, and three of them had ties

575
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 3: to a kidnapping ring in Iowa, Iowa, Iowa kidnapping. Wowah, yeah, okay.

576
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 3: So Jerome's mother identified two of the men. She said

577
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 3: she'd seen them driving around the house like a few

578
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 3: days before all this went down. Factor then told the

579
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,479
Speaker 3: press his story. Oh and this is popa Factor, not Jerome.

580
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 3: John says, he's like, he worked really hard on this

581
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 3: to create dissension in the ranks of the kidnappers. So

582
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 3: he pretended to receive the fifty thousand dollars ransom note

583
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 3: they never sent it. In truth, he created it to

584
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 3: make the kidnappers think someone else was going to try

585
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,919
Speaker 3: and take credit for their work, and that you know,

586
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 3: maybe one or two kidnappers in the gang were trying

587
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,640
Speaker 3: to score the money out from under the rest of them.

588
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 3: So the lead kidnappers to be like, well, wait, we

589
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,360
Speaker 3: didn't send that note. Now he's going to pay someone

590
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 3: fifty thousand dollars for this. So then he said he

591
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 3: hired the Capone men and let them get busted so

592
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 3: that the kidnappers would see it in the papers and

593
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 3: get freaked out that the outfit was coming after them.

594
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 3: They're not even really looking. They just put them on parade.

595
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 3: And he also put out false word that the fifty

596
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 3: thousand dollars on the streets. He puts out word that

597
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 3: it had been paid, and then the boy gets released.

598
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 2: This is brilliant.

599
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, so factors case again. He works it, but and

600
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 3: it delays into delays, But finally the case is back

601
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 3: on at the Supreme Court. They're like, they set a

602
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 3: new date.

603
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 2: God of Supreme Well, he's doing it to kind of stop.

604
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, this just happens. So all this happens

605
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 3: right before the Supreme Court case, and then they reschedule sure,

606
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 3: and it's coming up Jerome's Home, Safe and Sound Council

607
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 3: for the British Crown, though they accused Factor of staging

608
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 3: the kidnapping in order to avoid extradition to England.

609
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 2: Oh wow, oh no though.

610
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 3: June thirtieth, nineteen thirty three, kidnappers struck again.

611
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 2: Did they get this time?

612
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 3: Well, they're supposed kidnappers, and this time it was Factor himself.

613
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,199
Speaker 2: Who got got to get the cheese. So Factor is.

614
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 3: Quote released twelve days after he goes missing. He walked

615
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 3: up to two cops and he told them, I'm John Factor,

616
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 3: Like okay, yeah, he said. He paid his abductors fifty

617
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 3: thousand dollars in ransom money for his release. They just

618
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 3: throw this fifty k around like that was like a million.

619
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 3: And according to him, he paid it all in five

620
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 3: and ten dollars bills, so.

621
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 2: It's just like duffel back stack of cash.

622
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 3: Newspaper wire reports said that Factor was returned quote in

623
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 3: a serious condition, suffering from a nervous breakdown. So he

624
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 3: said in a statement to police, quote they never harmed me,

625
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 3: but they were pretty tough in their threats.

626
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 2: Once they put they looked.

627
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 3: A funny once they put machine guns against me, one

628
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 3: and back, and another in front, and they said they

629
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 3: were going to kill me. Another held a big pair

630
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 3: of shears close to my face and let me feel them.

631
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 3: They said they were going to cut my ears off,

632
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 3: just like drags the scissors down. This cutting a little

633
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 3: girl's neck is like cutting warm butter. I'm quoting Commando.

634
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 3: That's not what anyway. So the truth is that he

635
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 3: and his lawyers had figured out that a kidnapping was

636
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 3: a really good way to stall a trial.

637
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 2: Yeah apparently.

638
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 3: So there are conflicting reports as to whether Jerome's kidnapping

639
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 3: was even real, but there's original, the original, but there's

640
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 3: no doubt that his was staged. He and his lawyers

641
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 3: knew that if they delayed the trial long enough with

642
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 3: these various kidnappings, the statute of limitations would run out

643
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 3: and the charges would be dropped. They just needed now, okay,

644
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 3: so now they got to go back. Okay, Now we

645
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 3: got to.

646
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 2: Frame something that you can keep going through parts of appeals.

647
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 3: No, but you know, I don't know who he's I'm.

648
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm not a simple though.

649
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 3: They need to They need to cause more confusion and delay.

650
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 3: So instead of just saying well, we don't know who

651
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 3: the kidnappers are that sucked. They're like, we know who

652
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 3: it was, now we need a whole trial and I'm

653
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 3: going to have to be a witness. So they need

654
00:29:56,360 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 3: to frame someone for it. Murray Humphries. Uh, Rank Nitty Needy.

655
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 2: Frank Nitty, not a great guy, but a great mobster.

656
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's the acting boss that now that Paul the

657
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 3: Waiter Rica and another Chicago.

658
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 2: He's another legend.

659
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 3: Yeah he's he's Yeah, he's a crime boss. They all

660
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 3: get together and they picked a stooge for the crime.

661
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 3: They would pin it on Roger the Terrible too.

662
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 2: He oh, I don't know Roger the Terrible two.

663
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 3: Irish American mobster.

664
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 2: Two.

665
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 3: He had been a thorn in Capone's side. You know

666
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 3: that he he ran all these liquor rackets and Capone

667
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 3: wanted a piece of it, and and.

668
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 2: Like and he's a Chicago guy, not a Detroit guy.

669
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 3: Terrible to he he would yeah, he's a Chicago guy.

670
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 3: He would kind of blow it up like he had

671
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 3: all of these these associates and this huge operation. He

672
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 3: would pretend to be on the phone with people like yeah,

673
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 3: go ahead and kill him. And then when he was

674
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 3: talking to Capone's guys, and these guys are naive. Oh

675
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 3: my god, Like he's got like PHI, he's got like

676
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 3: a kill squad out there. He's just talking to the

677
00:30:58,520 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 3: dial tone.

678
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 2: Yeah he's doing that's a DJ.

679
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 3: Move and totally exactly. So Capone's side like the outfit.

680
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 3: They want him gone. He's a big problem and this

681
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 3: is a clean way to do it. So December fourth,

682
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 3: nineteen thirty three, Factor lost his extradition case. The US

683
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 3: Supreme Court held that he should be turned over to

684
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 3: the British and he was taken into custody on April seventeenth,

685
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 3: nineteen thirty four. His wife begged a federal district court

686
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 3: to dismiss the extradition because he had been held for

687
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 3: longer than the two months permitted under US law. Everyone's

688
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 3: looking for loopholes. The Secretary of State intervened and he

689
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 3: asked the court to release Factor because he might be

690
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 3: needed as a witness in the case against Tuohey.

691
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 2: Wow, he's dirty. He's Secretary's stayed dirty.

692
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 3: So the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals this is, I.

693
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 2: Guess what FDR's Secretary of State thirty three?

694
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, he orders Factor released and extradition proceedings ended. There

695
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 3: It is February twenty third, nineteen thirty four, two Hey

696
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 3: and two gang members found guilty of kidnapping John Factor.

697
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 3: I didn't, is it t o u h Y?

698
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 2: I imagine too. I don't know. It's an Irish name,

699
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 2: so I could be totally wrong.

700
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 3: Yeah too, who knows.

701
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.

702
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 3: If that's your name and I'm saying it wrong, Twey

703
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 3: will say it is. He fought tirelessly to have his

704
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 3: case reopened, but it was always denied. And even though

705
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 3: there's more and more evidence that he's in his Yeah,

706
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 3: just keep stacking. Oh, he totally did. Gen O'Connor was

707
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 3: in prison with Tuey and served a life sentence for

708
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 3: the He was serving a life sentence for the robbery

709
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 3: and murder of a Chicago cop. He thought that his

710
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 3: only option was to make a break for it, to escape,

711
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 3: and he convinces Touey that his fate is the same way. Wait,

712
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 3: only way you're gonna get out of it. You gotta

713
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 3: we gotta make a run for it.

714
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 2: Um so two.

715
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 3: He later said, I stayed awake until dawn and myself

716
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 3: thinking I was without hope. I was buried alive in prison,

717
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 3: and I would die there. I couldn't see a light

718
00:32:55,960 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 3: ahead anywhere, nothing but darkness, loneliness, desperation. The world had

719
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 3: forgotten me. After eight years, I was a nothing. Well,

720
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,959
Speaker 3: there was only one way I could focus public attention

721
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 3: on my misery.

722
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:07,959
Speaker 2: I could escape.

723
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 3: I would be caught, of course, but the break would

724
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 3: show my terrible situation. What cock eyed thinking that was

725
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 3: my mental attitude was a mess? I later came to realize,

726
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 3: I'd yeah, I think so. He gets caught after a

727
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 3: month on the run, and the stunt earned him an

728
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 3: additional one hundred and ninety nine years on his sentence.

729
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 2: Oh god, yeah, that backfired.

730
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 3: But in nineteen fifty nine he writes a book about

731
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 3: his false imprisonment.

732
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 2: You know how it goes, his stolen years, Okay.

733
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 3: And later that year he's exonerated and released from prison.

734
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 2: What's for the book? You say?

735
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 3: So good?

736
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 2: You got a book tour today, bro?

737
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 3: What was factor up to while? You know, jimmy bookmaker

738
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 3: over here was writing books in prison.

739
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 2: Playing golf of Franknity. No hangout.

740
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 3: I hang out during these ads, and I'll tell you

741
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 3: when we get back.

742
00:33:55,120 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 4: Nice zaren Yes, Elizabeth, did you finish your test?

743
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 3: Uh?

744
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 2: No, you beat me. You went again. You're first one, He.

745
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 3: Spun like spelling quizzes.

746
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, during the break and you want problems?

747
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 3: Yeah anyway, Roger Toohey, he's doing time for a crime

748
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 3: he didn't commit. John Factor, free from his extradition out

749
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 3: on the town, never won to stray far from his

750
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 3: criminal roots. He got involved in a large scale effort

751
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 3: later known as the million dollar whiskey warehouse receipts scam.

752
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 2: That's sound probly helpful.

753
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, Factor, He's started this Delaware corporation.

754
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 2: Called hasn't started corporation among us.

755
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 3: It's called United Bottling and Distributing.

756
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 2: I'm not even lying. I have started a.

757
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 3: Good for you whiskey receipts. So United Bottling and Distributing whisky.

758
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 3: Do you know what whiskey warehouse receipts are?

759
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 2: No, go, please explain it.

760
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,439
Speaker 3: I shall tell you. Whiskey warehouse receipts are a way

761
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 3: to finance the liquor as it ages. So it's basically

762
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 3: a marker stating that you have a product that will

763
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 3: be worth something in X number of years. He convinced

764
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 3: John Factor convinced owners of whiskey warehouse receipts to exchange

765
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 3: them for bottling contracts, where United Bottling would hold the

766
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 3: whiskey until it was properly aged, get it bottled and distributed,

767
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 3: and then send the profits minus a service fee of course,

768
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 3: back to them. So the thing is there's no bottling

769
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 3: plant and there's no distribution. It's all on paper. And

770
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 3: as soon as they got the receipts they would turn

771
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 3: around and sell them.

772
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 2: Okay, So like as a small market, people would hear

773
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 2: about this really quickly. So it's like a.

774
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 3: Day you don't know whiskey receipt community. Most of the

775
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 3: receipts holders lived in Iowa, oddly.

776
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 2: Enough, always with the Iowa it's interesting. Not just in

777
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 2: cold Blood. No.

778
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 3: So when the Feds came calling, they indicted Factor and

779
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 3: his minions in Cedar Rapids. Yes, and in nineteen forty

780
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 3: two he was convicted for mail fraud and sentenced to

781
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 3: ten years, got out in six. After that he moved

782
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 3: to Los Angeles.

783
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 2: Good place for a con the big windy angel Baby.

784
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, he set himself up well. He borrowed five thousand

785
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 3: dollars and he started investing in real estate, which is

786
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 3: a great.

787
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 2: Thing to do. Then, yeah, there's always the movie.

788
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 3: And then and then an old pal came calling. Oh no,

789
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 3: you ever heard of Big Tuna? And I'm not talking

790
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 3: about Andy's nickname for Jim on the office.

791
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 5: Oh okay, then Joe Batters. No, I don't think Bill

792
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 5: Parcells aka Bill Parcells. Yes I do, thank you, producer, Dave.

793
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 5: That is the only two Big Tuna I know.

794
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 3: Tonycardo.

795
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 2: Oh that's his nickname, is big Tuna. I've never heard

796
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 2: that Big Tona. Yea, I've always heard as Anthony Accardo.

797
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,399
Speaker 2: I mean, like Andrew here. I heard people call him Tona.

798
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 2: It's Anthony.

799
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 3: His friend called them Joey Batter's Big toun.

800
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 2: Joey Batters.

801
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 3: So Chicago mobster, part of the outfit. He rose through

802
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 3: the ranks. He went from common street hood to day

803
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 3: to day boss to.

804
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, top dog like runner of the Summit.

805
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 3: Yes, in the fifties he was big into slot machines,

806
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 3: vending machines, counterfeit liquor, and ran vegas.

807
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 2: They're the one whom they make.

808
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 3: Vegas right, that's the Chicago and get into that. Sorry,

809
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 3: calm down, narcotic smuggling. I did that too, and so

810
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 3: they got like you said, they go from Chicago to Vegas.

811
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 3: They tried to muscle out the five families from New

812
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,479
Speaker 3: York who were in trying to establish in Vegas. They're

813
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 3: making a ton of cash and so like, while the

814
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 3: slot machines were bringing in dough, it would have been

815
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 3: more if they had a whole casino. And casinos are

816
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 3: popping up on the strip. Mom wants in, Big Tuna

817
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 3: wants in. Johnny Yes, bootlegger Tony Carnero aka Tony the

818
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 3: Hat he also wanted in. He wanted to open his

819
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 3: own casino in Las Vegas, the Star Dust, he'd call it.

820
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 2: The problem was.

821
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 3: The gaming license.

822
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 2: That's a tough one.

823
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 3: It is tough one. I hear. The Nevada Gaming Commission

824
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 3: is tough.

825
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:11,959
Speaker 2: Yeah. The cowboys are a little skeptical of outsiders.

826
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 3: So you can't get a gaming license if you have

827
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 3: prior convictions or association criminal association.

828
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the big one for the mom.

829
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,720
Speaker 3: Right. So Tony Cornero he couldn't get the gaming license,

830
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 3: so he leased the casino to a small group of investors.

831
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,280
Speaker 3: The Gaming Commission wouldn't issue the license without a list

832
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:32,240
Speaker 3: of those investors. He didn't provide it. Construction gets stalled.

833
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,720
Speaker 3: The lease is eventually approved, but deals kept falling apart,

834
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 3: and the place wasn't even open at this point, And

835
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 3: eventually it winds up in receivership, and so buyers stepped up.

836
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 3: They wanted to buy it. They're super eager to grab

837
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 3: this hot property in Vegas. It's about to be completed.

838
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 3: The winning bid was put forward by none other than

839
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 3: Relea Factor, wife of John whoa she helped. So she

840
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,720
Speaker 3: goes up there, she bids who helped pay the price

841
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 3: tag of four point three million dollars, which is like

842
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 3: forty six and a half million dollars today. Oh god, yeah,

843
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 3: she's like, here's my bid, who helped her? Big tuna,

844
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 3: Big tuna. So there's John Factor running a casino with

845
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 3: the mob.

846
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 2: With Ado, with Anthony acarda like.

847
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 3: So the Factors, though, they're becoming a fixture, not in

848
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 3: Vegas but in La. They lived at eleven eighty five

849
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 3: Loma Linda Drive in Beverly Hills, which area a property

850
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,240
Speaker 3: that is actually currently for rent as of this recording.

851
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 3: Of course I did. It's thirty two thousand dollars a

852
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 3: month to rent this place. It's a lot more. It's okay.

853
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 3: It's on a little more than half acre, looks out

854
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 3: over the city of Angels in the ocean beyond. So

855
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 3: the Factors were living large. If you want to go

856
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,439
Speaker 3: look on Zillo, you can tour the home rabbit Hole.

857
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 3: So at the John Factor he's still owning and running

858
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 3: the casino and giving a taste or a very big

859
00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 3: bite to Acardo. But they were very generous in their philanthropy,

860
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 3: John and his wife. In nineteen sixty John Factor was

861
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 3: the largest individual donor to John F. Kennedy's presidential campaign

862
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 3: with twenty thousand dollars. That's like two hundred thousand dollars today.

863
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,280
Speaker 2: The Chicago outfit got John Kennedy.

864
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 3: So it's always good to buy.

865
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 2: In, Yes, exactly, get in on the ground floor of

866
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 2: a presidency.

867
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 3: You'll see in nineteen sixty two, he sells the hotel

868
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 3: and Casino, a very very profitable hotel and casino, for

869
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 3: only fourteen million to another mob frontman Mode Dallits Oh

870
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 3: and so yeah, in the seven years that he ran it,

871
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 3: the casino brought in close to two hundred million dollars.

872
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 3: And then he turns around and sells it for fourteen million. Yeah,

873
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 3: so quite the deal.

874
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:46,919
Speaker 2: Is Yeah.

875
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 3: So later that year someone darkened his doorway. Another mobster,

876
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 3: I'm guessing close the Feds. So remember that whiskey warehouse

877
00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 3: receipt thing. He was convicted on multiple counts of mail fraud.

878
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 2: Did time mail fraud? It gets you every time.

879
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 3: And remember how I told you that the border guards

880
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 3: in El Paso were told that he was born in England. Well,

881
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 3: it seems since his whiskey scam conviction, immigration laws had changed.

882
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 3: It used to be that in order to deport someone,

883
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 3: they had to be convicted in at least two separate

884
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 3: cases before deportation proceedings could move forward.

885
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:21,720
Speaker 2: Just one.

886
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 3: The law changed. A person was now deportable if they

887
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 3: got convicted of more than one count in a single case.

888
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 3: Oh okay, thusly Factor could now be deported. Yes, so

889
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 3: the same law had just been used to issue a

890
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 3: deportation order for Frank Castello, boss of the Luciano bribe family.

891
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 3: The government tried to strip his naturalized citizenship in the

892
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 3: fifties but it didn't work out. But now they're going

893
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 3: after John Factor.

894
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 2: So Factor and he's got twenty four years hanging over him.

895
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 2: If this goes through exactly.

896
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 3: So he had recently been named Man of the Year

897
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 3: by a local Jewish charitable organization. Of course, he goes

898
00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 3: and he tells the press he's outraged as the year

899
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 3: it keeps coming up in all the news articles that, like,

900
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 3: you know, he was named man of the year, and

901
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 3: they don't name it. It's just a local Jewish charitable organization.

902
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 2: I don't know it's one that he started.

903
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 3: So this is what he tells the press quote, I

904
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 3: just can't believe it. It's a horrible thing. This conviction

905
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 3: happened twenty years ago. Since then, I've always cooperated with

906
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 3: the government as far as I'm concerned. I believe I

907
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 3: am just as good an American as anyone. I will

908
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 3: fight this case all the way. What else can I do?

909
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 2: Play out there?

910
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 3: Remember Factor had friends in high places.

911
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and low ones.

912
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 3: Yeah. It was a US Attorney General, Robert Kennedy who

913
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,720
Speaker 3: put the wheels in motion to deport Factor.

914
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah.

915
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 3: RFK was going hard on organized crime.

916
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 2: He was so wild about that. Elected He's like, I'm

917
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 2: going to bite the hand that feeds me and go

918
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 2: after anything else I can't, right.

919
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 3: Well, so what triggered the look at factor was the

920
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,720
Speaker 3: low sales price of the startup, of course, and RFK

921
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 3: wanted to know who really owned the startup. And then

922
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 3: a gaming commission, we're looking into the stardust in hope

923
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 3: of capturing like hidden mafia ass.

924
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

925
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 3: So RFK had to be stopped in Factors estimation and

926
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 3: the only the only help would come from his brother JFK.

927
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 2: Max Factor's brother. Oh wait, oh I got it.

928
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 3: Okay, go on, so remember Factors twenty thousand dollars donation

929
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 3: to President Kennedy. It didn't stop there, I bet not.

930
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 3: Here's what happens. A made man working for Chicago mob

931
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 3: boss Sam g and Conna. He goes outside of the

932
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 3: bar where they all hung out like their little club house, and.

933
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 2: Sam Zondher got him elected, got youa elected.

934
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 3: So this made man walks out and he walks up

935
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 3: to an FBI surveillance tale parked across the street. It's

936
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 3: like leans up against the car. And this is what

937
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 3: agents later relayed. He said, quote this is their report.

938
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 3: English is bemoaning the fact that the federal government is

939
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 3: closing in on the organization and nothing can be done

940
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 3: about it. He made several bad remarks about the Kennedy

941
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 3: administration and pointed out that the Attorney General raising money

942
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 3: for the Cuba invaders makes Chicago syndicate look like amateurs. Wow,

943
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 3: see here's what he's referring. This is his reference. RFK

944
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 3: had been working the phones trying to drum up donations

945
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 3: to help rescue Bay of Pigs survivors. Yes, and it

946
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 3: wasn't just a kind request, it was mafia flavor. He

947
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 3: would tell executives and rich guys, you know, hey, you

948
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 3: know you have contracts waiting to be approved by a shakeman. Yeah,

949
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 3: and you know, maybe you have a pending criminal case.

950
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 3: He just calls him a pay did you get you

951
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 3: at the top.

952
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 2: Of the line. Doesn't keep you out of book?

953
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 3: No, not even that, Not this will do that. He

954
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 3: just says, here's a fact, you have a contract that

955
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 3: needs approval. And when they try and say something, he

956
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 3: would cut him off and he'd say, you know, it's crazy,

957
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 3: we have this fund to rescue the Cubans. He's never

958
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 3: telling him, if you.

959
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 2: Do this, you can't say the tit for tap, but

960
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 2: you say one, then you say that's the only things

961
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 2: you say.

962
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 3: And then he'd hang up. That was it so total shakedown.

963
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 3: Factor knew about this, and he knew that would be leverage,

964
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,240
Speaker 3: so he donated twenty five thousand dollars to this fund

965
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 3: Bay of Pigs, and when asked by the press about it,

966
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 3: he it's just because it's a cause I believe in Maria.

967
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 2: I'm good America.

968
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 3: Christmas Day in nineteen sixty two, John factors.

969
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 2: He's always busy on Christmas Day.

970
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 3: It's always busy, well, especially here he gets pardoned by

971
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 3: President Kennedy.

972
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 2: Oh there you go. The Christmas Day pardon has completely.

973
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 3: Wiped his record put an immediate stop to the deportation order.

974
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 2: Hmm.

975
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,800
Speaker 3: Factor said of the pardon, quote, I'm very surprised and grateful.

976
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 3: I hope I have earned it. It's a wonderful Christmas present,

977
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 3: and I believe justice has been done.

978
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 2: JFK said. And I leave Bobby Alow.

979
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,720
Speaker 3: And what's weird is that it's like, you know, anyway,

980
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 3: I'll get to this part. So not everyone is so happy.

981
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 3: GOP national chairman William Miller says, quote, I think it

982
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 3: is incumbent on the administration to assure the American people

983
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 3: in no uncertain terms that the presidential pardon granted John

984
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 3: factor is in no way connected with the fact that

985
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 3: he and his wife were substantial contributors to the cause

986
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 3: of the Democratic Party. Our system of justice would be

987
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 3: in great jeopardy if the day comes when persons of

988
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 3: wealth can obtain leniency in such a manner.

989
00:45:58,680 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 2: Too many words, brouh.

990
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 3: I'm like, dude, are you new here? This is how

991
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 3: it works.

992
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:03,879
Speaker 2: And you got to say it faster than that. Even

993
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 2: in the sixties you say it faster than that.

994
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 3: Of course, if you have money, you get out of there.

995
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, that's what happens. Anyway. I suspect this is

996
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 2: an excessive use of dirty money, like say something like that.

997
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 2: I don't know.

998
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 3: It wasn't my use of dirty money with someone else, exactly.

999
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 2: It is not how we used dirty money in this town.

1000
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 3: What's crazy, though, is that RFK had actually changed the

1001
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 3: protocol for pardons right before this all happened. So well, okay,

1002
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 3: it used to be that the request went to the

1003
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 3: Department of Justice and then it went to the President

1004
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 3: and he swapped it.

1005
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 2: I don't know why.

1006
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 3: So requests had to go right to the top and

1007
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 3: then be sent to the dj to execute them.

1008
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 2: Oh okay, so they just finalized the paperwork.

1009
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so the thing is, though, is it most

1010
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 3: usually like these would come in in a group of

1011
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 3: pardons and factors. It was like a solo submission. It

1012
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 3: was the only one. So, I mean it's pretty anyway.

1013
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,359
Speaker 3: So the threat of deportation has gone away, and so

1014
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 3: did the investigation into the startist eight equals clean nice.

1015
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,439
Speaker 3: He never walked away from criminal life completely. At one

1016
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 3: point he tried to bail out Jimmy Hoffa from financial

1017
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 3: troubles to Florida real.

1018
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 2: Estate, really taking the wrong side on that one.

1019
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, he had another shady stock deal, this time with

1020
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 3: Murray Humphries's old mob. But for the most part he

1021
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:21,879
Speaker 3: spent his sunset years as a philanthropist legit. And when

1022
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 3: you look at newspaper articles, like they'll reference they always

1023
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 3: reference the kidnapping, and then they are like veiled references

1024
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 3: to the shadiness and then sometimes they'll talk about mob connections,

1025
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 3: but very rarely in these newspaper articles at the time,

1026
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 3: and they just say he's a developer, he's a businessman,

1027
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 3: so the legitimate businessman exactly. So he donated money to

1028
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 3: build all sorts of parks and buildings and like social efforts.

1029
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 2: So he was money watching his.

1030
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 3: Name, Yeah, all over California, but particularly in inner city

1031
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 3: underserved communities where he really like dumped money. So he

1032
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 3: died in nineteen eighty four. He was ninety one years old.

1033
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 3: His funeral was attended by three US senators and the

1034
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 3: mayor of Los Angeles. Yeah, what year eighty four? So

1035
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 3: Tom Bradley, Tom Bradley, and he's alongside hundreds of people

1036
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 3: who he'd helped through charitable donations over the years. Not

1037
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 3: bad for a poor kid from Poland.

1038
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 2: Seriously, and to be the lesser factor, I mean, he's

1039
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 2: not Max exactly. He's still killing.

1040
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,439
Speaker 3: And a lot of accounts said that he died from

1041
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 3: a long undisclosed illness, but he was ninety one. That

1042
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 3: illness was life.

1043
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,240
Speaker 2: It finally got him, you know, I imagine like prostate

1044
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 2: cancer or something like that.

1045
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 3: Anyway, so he yeah, he's a long way from Poland. Dang, Yeah,

1046
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 3: I loved What is your ridiculous takeaway.

1047
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 2: That I did not know Anthony or Carter's nickname was

1048
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 2: beg Tona, Like, I mean, wow, Burnett, I'm really falling

1049
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:47,839
Speaker 2: down in the game. I mean, I hope my father

1050
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 2: didn't hear this one man. No, that was great. I'd

1051
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:55,720
Speaker 2: love that I did not know that Max Factor's brother

1052
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 2: was a mobster and that he was so connected to

1053
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 2: so many mobsters that I did love and I haven't

1054
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 2: learned about throughout my childhood. I mean, I've heard all

1055
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 2: these stories of these guys, never really heard about the

1056
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 2: lesser factor.

1057
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 3: Well, I think something that I love, Thank you for asking.

1058
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 3: Uh here, his nickname is Jake the Barber total and

1059
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 3: he never kills anybody. Yeah, he's not violent, like.

1060
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 2: Doesn't even bring blades into his stuff. Like he briefly

1061
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 2: worked as a barber, take.

1062
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 3: The barber and he's just like, no, literally, I cut her.

1063
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's looking to work as like a garbage man

1064
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:30,959
Speaker 2: or like a fishmonger. I mean that could have stuck

1065
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 2: with him, making Jake the fishmonger. That would have sucked.

1066
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:34,399
Speaker 3: That would suck.

1067
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 2: That's it.

1068
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:38,399
Speaker 3: That's all I got. Thank you, flank Errol. You can

1069
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 3: find us online at Ridiculous Crime dot com. There's merch

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1071
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Speaker 2: I'm starting the Frank Nitty fan club there.

1072
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're like fan club. Packages's horrible. Maybe some like

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Speaker 3: platform boots should sell platform boots.

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Speaker 2: I like that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're at Ridiculous Crime on Twitter Instagram about waiters Yeah,

1076
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Speaker 3: hip waiters walking into like deep panama hats. Yes, yeah,

1077
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Speaker 3: toe rings. Okay, we have an email address. Also, you

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Speaker 3: can leave a talkback on the iHeart app.

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Speaker 2: So do that.

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