Speaker 1: Welcome to football Today. Wednesday, January first, twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the new year. Welcome to football today. I'm
Speaker 1: bobys seeing from here with Justin Pennock. And guess what
Speaker 1: we're gonna do New Year. We're gonna talk about people
Speaker 1: who should be fired.
Speaker 2: Shue geeesh.
Speaker 1: I recommend you to be fired. I've already went to
Speaker 1: Jimmy O'Brien otherwise known as John Boy, and I hope
Speaker 1: you get fired. How are you?
Speaker 2: This is our NFL Black Monday preview, Bobby Skinner and
Speaker 2: everybody listening. I hope you had a happy New Year. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So what we're gonna do is, we're gonna break this
Speaker 2: down into a couple different categories. We're going to talk
Speaker 2: about the coaching and GM vacancies that are already open.
Speaker 2: So there's three of those. Uh, We're gonna break it
Speaker 2: down also into four categories of there's going to be
Speaker 2: coaches and gms that will probably be fired on Black Monday.
Speaker 2: Whose seed is red hot? How about whose seed is warm?
Speaker 2: Whose seat do we think is lukewarm? And then whose
Speaker 2: job is basically safe? Who is on the cool side
Speaker 2: of things? Out of all the coaches and possible gms
Speaker 2: that could be fired. We're going to talk about almost
Speaker 2: all of them. I will say my one little caveat
Speaker 2: I I don't know the inner workings of every team's
Speaker 2: GM position, but most teams are more ept and willing
Speaker 2: to fire head coaches anyway rather than gms. And I
Speaker 2: think we have a pretty good idea of what head
Speaker 2: coaches and gms may be going.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I have opinions on some of these gms
Speaker 1: as well too. So what do you want to start
Speaker 1: off with? The open the open seats right now of
Speaker 1: the Bears, Saints, and Jets.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's let's do that. So the Jets they fired
Speaker 2: their head coach Robert Saal, they fired Joe Douglas in
Speaker 2: the middle of the season, and I'll be honest getting
Speaker 2: a little excited about Rex Ryan. I don't have like
Speaker 2: specific names or or like a wish list for the Jets,
Speaker 2: even though I don't think it's as as terrible of
Speaker 2: a job as as people maybe make it seem to think.
Speaker 1: But I don't know, man, I feel like dealing with
Speaker 1: Woody Johnson is like the stuff that comes out, and
Speaker 1: I know Jets fans will push back and say, oh, this, Well,
Speaker 1: there's clearly very dysfunctional issues there. You're gonna have to
Speaker 1: make a decision on Aaron Rodgers. And even if you
Speaker 1: do decide to move on, what's your answer at that position?
Speaker 1: To me, this this is an undesirable spot, despite the
Speaker 1: fact that that roster does have a good amount of
Speaker 1: talent and young talent on it. I do find this
Speaker 1: as an undesirable spot, and I have no clue what
Speaker 1: direction they want to go. But they have, I mean,
Speaker 1: they have sort of interviewing people because they're you know,
Speaker 1: open and available. You know, they had you know, Jim
Speaker 1: Nagy of the Senior Bowl, you know the old Falcons GM,
Speaker 1: then you know head coaching Ron Rivera, you know Rex
Speaker 1: Ryan Rumors. So they haven't been able to start interviewing
Speaker 1: like the actual good candidates yet. But I just really
Speaker 1: have no clue where which way it's going to go,
Speaker 1: because Woody Johnson's at very unpredictable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Woody Johnson side of it. I was mainly
Speaker 2: thinking of the rosher because you have a possible future
Speaker 2: left tackle that they drafted last year in Olu who's
Speaker 2: shown kind of flashes this year. You have Breeze Hall,
Speaker 2: you have Brylan Allen. You have Garrett Wilson, where if
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers has moved on from I mean, this is
Speaker 2: the report that you know was put out there that
Speaker 2: if Aaron Rodgers stays, Garrett Wilson will request the trade.
Speaker 2: And if he's gone, then yeah, that is true. You
Speaker 2: could be like, no, you're going, You're on the New
Speaker 2: York Jets. You're going to play here, which I respect
Speaker 2: NFL teams kind of doing this pass offseason like the
Speaker 2: Bengals on the forty nine ers Davante Adams and his
Speaker 2: contract is he's still here. I don't think he's washed,
Speaker 2: so I mean that's that's even.
Speaker 1: Still he's still there, but he's not part of the
Speaker 1: long term plan.
Speaker 2: There right right, But he's still there, you know. And
Speaker 2: of course you have Quentin Williams is one of the
Speaker 2: best interior defenders. You have Will McDonald that took a
Speaker 2: step up and he's actually getting sacks and he's actually
Speaker 2: looking really good. You have one of the best linebacker
Speaker 2: groups in the NFL with like three good linebackers, and
Speaker 2: then you also have Sauce Gardner in a solid set
Speaker 2: Canary and you know, guys that are you're probably gonna
Speaker 2: have to resign or bring back or negotiate with. But
Speaker 2: I mean this, regardless of the owner. The owner is
Speaker 2: a huge part of if a GM or a coach
Speaker 2: would want to take a job, for sure, But I
Speaker 2: don't know how you can look at that roster and
Speaker 2: not get a little excited about what if you're a
Speaker 2: coach and you're confident in your abilities, or if you're
Speaker 2: a GM and your confident in your abilities, how can
Speaker 2: you not maybe look at that be like I can
Speaker 2: maybe do something with it. Well?
Speaker 1: Sure, but again, like we're not talking about just typical
Speaker 1: bad ownership group. We're talking about whatoy Johnson might be
Speaker 1: the worst owner. Yeah in the NFL, right, the only
Speaker 1: one that could maybe argue with that is Dave Tepper.
Speaker 1: And it's not to mean there there's other bad owners, right,
Speaker 1: there's I think there's a bad owner in the same
Speaker 1: city as them. But there is a different level to
Speaker 1: the Woody Johnson part of this and the quarterback what's
Speaker 1: the where's the quarterback answer coming for them? Because it's
Speaker 1: probably it's not coming out of this draft because of
Speaker 1: that roster talent. You don't see them bottoming out. You know,
Speaker 1: what do you do with Aaron Rodgers, like, there's just
Speaker 1: to me, it's not a it's not it's not if
Speaker 1: I had my choice of this, I'm not. That's not
Speaker 1: where I'm picking. I also just here's the other parts.
Speaker 1: I don't Trustody Johnson to make the right decision either,
Speaker 1: even if even if he does have good candidates that
Speaker 1: are willing to go there. I want Rex Ryan Beck,
Speaker 1: which is again that's like, that's a horrible hire, right,
Speaker 1: it's going back to glory days of making to the
Speaker 1: AFC Championships with Mark Sanchez. That that again, I people
Speaker 1: have tried to rule that out and Jets slaying I
Speaker 1: fall a lot of the Jets people and people I like,
Speaker 1: you know, Connor Hughes, the bad Lands guys, some other
Speaker 1: ones they like don't even want to entertain it. But
Speaker 1: I'm telling you that Woody Johnson will entertain that because
Speaker 1: that has been there, that has been their most successful.
Speaker 1: He's you know, Rex Ryan has you know, been on
Speaker 1: a little bit of a tour trying to get back
Speaker 1: in there. I expect it to be something like that.
Speaker 1: So I don't I don't have a lot of faith
Speaker 1: in that organization as a whole. Let's talk about the
Speaker 1: Saint stuff, because actually think the Saints are fascinating. Mickey
Speaker 1: Loomis has been their GM since two thousand too. They
Speaker 1: continuously just keep pushing the cap back and back and
Speaker 1: back and just been in the no man's land since
Speaker 1: Drew Brees left. Does this ownership group ever say we're
Speaker 1: done with this and like it's time it's time to
Speaker 1: start afresh.
Speaker 2: At least not yet, Like what what's the path forward?
Speaker 1: What is the path forward for the New Orleans Saints?
Speaker 2: I don't know, like at least with the Jets. You know,
Speaker 2: I mentioned the roster, and you know I mentioned like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: you have Woody Johnson and the dynamic of the owner
Speaker 2: and like bringing in like a restaurant. I have no
Speaker 2: idea where they go.
Speaker 1: And I think the Saints don't have a terrible roster either, right.
Speaker 1: The offensive line, uh, you know has have struggles at
Speaker 1: a time, but you have young guys that you like
Speaker 1: on there. You know, Chris o'lave is a really good piece.
Speaker 1: He's just been so super health. You know, a lot
Speaker 1: of health issues, concussions. Defensively, there's good talent, not a
Speaker 1: lot on the front there, even though you know a
Speaker 1: guy like Brian Berzi. But I don't think that roster
Speaker 1: is super far off. I think that defense is capable
Speaker 1: of being good in the here and now. And but again,
Speaker 1: another quarterback, you know, dependent situation, what like what are
Speaker 1: they gonna do? And Mickey Loomis has shown that he's
Speaker 1: not gonna go the right way about this. I mean,
Speaker 1: they paid Derek Carr a lot of money there, They
Speaker 1: paid Derek Carr a lot of money to do to
Speaker 1: do what you know exactly there. You know, I think
Speaker 1: they lacked death at a lot of issues. It's just
Speaker 1: when will the Saints decide that? And and this could
Speaker 1: be Mickey Loomis too, that we're gonna stop pushing this
Speaker 1: stuff down the road and we're going to try and
Speaker 1: reset and put together like a four year plan here.
Speaker 2: They would need to be bad for like one or
Speaker 2: like and I'm talking bad bad for like one or
Speaker 2: two years to fully get back into a healthy cap
Speaker 2: situation though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which I think they need to embrace at this
Speaker 1: point because they're stuck in that. They're stuck in not
Speaker 1: even they're barely stuck in the middle, they're in the
Speaker 1: stuck in below average.
Speaker 2: So then you're going to hire a new head coach
Speaker 2: who you're gonna be willingly understanding, is going to be
Speaker 2: bad for his first two years. So that's why I
Speaker 2: think they're just going to keep doing what they're doing,
Speaker 2: which isn't great. But that's why it's like what you know,
Speaker 2: Chris Rose and I talked about who's the most boring
Speaker 2: NFL team even if they're not the worst. Right, the
Speaker 2: Saints are not the worst team in the NFL. But
Speaker 2: in terms of and Bobby, I know you're not like
Speaker 2: a big storyline guy or intrigue guye, but like, really,
Speaker 2: the Saints are the worst team in the NFL to
Speaker 2: try and like pay attention to, like, you have to
Speaker 2: convince me to want to pay attention to the Saints,
Speaker 2: and you did for the first three weeks of the season.
Speaker 2: Remember they were like the best team ever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're put averaging forty five points per game. I
Speaker 1: like that defense going into this year, and I think
Speaker 1: if things didn't fall apart from them overall, that defense
Speaker 1: still would be good. Yeah, but you know, the offense
Speaker 1: just became a mess with one having Derek Carr, the
Speaker 1: offensive line didn't perform the same way. The run game
Speaker 1: hasn't been great in and then krys Olavey or she
Speaker 1: he'd get injured.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about the Bears.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Bears. So this is the one where usually
Speaker 1: I'd be kind of against this, but it seems like
Speaker 1: they're because everyone wants Ben Johnson. It seems like they're
Speaker 1: the team that might actually attract Ben Johnson and Ben
Speaker 1: Johnson wants to go there and work because they do
Speaker 1: have a good amount of talent on that roster, not
Speaker 1: most talented. Usually I would be clear cut saying, like
Speaker 1: fire Ryan Poles. It's been three years, you're fining the
Speaker 1: head coach that he came in with. This is not
Speaker 1: a great situation to try and attract a head coach.
Speaker 1: But it seems like there's real smoke with Ben Johnson
Speaker 1: there where. I don't think Ryan Poles has done a
Speaker 1: terrible job. I don't think he's done a very good job.
Speaker 1: I think he's had some big mistake but I think
Speaker 1: he's had some big wins too that I am actually
Speaker 1: okay with them keeping Ryan Poles where I usually would
Speaker 1: be against this situation, but at the same time, justin
Speaker 1: they could also probably still get Ben Johnson and reset
Speaker 1: the new GM and get someone that's a little more
Speaker 1: on the same page. So to me, it's for the Bears.
Speaker 1: It should be like whoever their number one candidate is,
Speaker 1: and it's probably gonna Ben Johnson, Like I think it
Speaker 1: should be Ben Johnson or Bust and they should work
Speaker 1: back channels to figure out is he If he's willing
Speaker 1: to come here with Ryan Poles, then then well we'll
Speaker 1: stay with Bryan Poles. If not, if he has even
Speaker 1: any doubts about that, then I'm canning Ryan Poles and
Speaker 1: I'm going to cann Ryan Poles, though.
Speaker 2: I was exactly going to ask you, are you Ben
Speaker 2: Johnson or Bust? Or could you even buy into Ryan
Speaker 2: Poles and Brian Flores went to Boston College together, and
Speaker 2: Brian Flores could come over there from the other AFC
Speaker 2: NFC North team.
Speaker 1: If that's their number one candidate, right if they if
Speaker 1: they identify as their number one candidate and Brian Flores
Speaker 1: is willing to do that, then yes, like they they are.
Speaker 1: They they should be. They should be the number one
Speaker 1: spot for a GM and head coach right that to me,
Speaker 1: they have the most attractive spot in all of these positions.
Speaker 1: And unless the Dallas Cowboys open up, yeah, like they
Speaker 1: they're gonna have another top draft pick. They have young players,
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams. I'm sure a lot of teams, you know,
Speaker 1: guys still have belief in him. There's players that maybe
Speaker 1: not performing the way that you want this year that
Speaker 1: will be better down the road. I know Dj Moore
Speaker 1: has kind of become a little bit of a sour spot,
Speaker 1: but he's still a wide receiver one. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: Romo Dunes that like and and the defense I think
Speaker 1: is a few nice pieces away from still being a
Speaker 1: top top group.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So so I like the Bears. The Bears should be
Speaker 1: the most desired vacancy in the so my if I
Speaker 1: were the Bears, I would just let's make sure Ryan
Speaker 1: Poles is not taking that part away from us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, unless there's like a surprise, surprise opening. And I'm
Speaker 2: talking about you know, like a Kyle Shanahan or a
Speaker 2: Zach Taylor, which you know, hey, we we have four
Speaker 2: categories spoiler or I have I have Zach Taylor and
Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahan under the cool category that I think they're
Speaker 2: very safe unless one of those jobs open up. The Bears,
Speaker 2: I think is the most is the most desirable, it's
Speaker 2: the only the only thing is that you have that
Speaker 2: you have that GM. But I figure you're gonna be
Speaker 2: given two years no matter what, maybe even three no
Speaker 2: matter what because you have Caleb and you.
Speaker 1: Have they're very patient too, so you're most likely going
Speaker 1: to get three. Yeah. The issue is you may have
Speaker 1: to hire a new GM one year in because of
Speaker 1: how they get off.
Speaker 2: They're gonna no, I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think they would do that. The polls. No.
Speaker 1: All right, so let's get into the possible vacancies justin.
Speaker 1: What do we want to start with? First?
Speaker 2: Uh, let's go to the warm section. But before we
Speaker 2: do that, Bobby Skinner, I want to talk about hot.
Speaker 2: Uh no, we're not. We are not passing over red hot.
Speaker 2: So let's talk about red hot and then I'll talk
Speaker 2: about something red hot. I have two names I have
Speaker 2: for the Jacksonville Jaguars. I have Doug Peterson and I
Speaker 2: have Trent balk the head coach at GM. I think
Speaker 2: it's obvious that they're out. And I have Giants head
Speaker 2: coach Brian Dable. I think those are two names or
Speaker 2: two you know teams that those positions are absolutely red hot.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, Obviously the Giants were a lot closer to
Speaker 1: but the Jags. I mean, I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people are surprised that these guys haven't been fired yet, correct.
Speaker 1: I mean, there was there was rumors that, like Doug
Speaker 1: Peterson's last game was going to be whatever. I can't
Speaker 1: remember what game.
Speaker 2: It was, the London game or one of the London games.
Speaker 1: That yeah, and yeah, I think it was like after
Speaker 1: the first London game where it's like, yeah, they just
Speaker 1: maybe they're not firing him because they don't want to
Speaker 1: do it while they're in London, so they're gonna wait
Speaker 1: till they come back to beautiful Jacksonville and do it.
Speaker 1: But I think we all agree there. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, I don't trust the cons like they may
Speaker 1: keep Trent Balky.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's been there since twenty twenty one. His
Speaker 2: overall record as GM is twenty five and forty two,
Speaker 2: but his team he had.
Speaker 1: Two seasons seasons and then two basically worse records in
Speaker 1: the NFL.
Speaker 2: And he's won and one in the playoffs. And that
Speaker 2: you know, that year came in twenty twenty two, where
Speaker 2: that's the year that Trevor Lawrence obviously looked his best.
Speaker 2: That was the first year with Doug Peterson. You know,
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, I just I don't like the
Speaker 2: I don't like the roster of that ball. He's built
Speaker 2: that the defense is solid, and some of the draft
Speaker 2: picks have have kind of worked. But look at the
Speaker 2: offensive side of the ball and tell me outside of
Speaker 2: the free agents that they've brought in and Brian Thomas Junior,
Speaker 2: who have they drafted. That's like a true difference maker
Speaker 2: for them. I think everything has been like trades and
Speaker 2: free agent signings for them. I don't think he drafts
Speaker 2: very well.
Speaker 1: No, no, now he got a great hit. Like you said,
Speaker 1: I'm Brian Thomas Jr. Yeah, I don't either. And I
Speaker 1: kind of hate the way that they draft, where they're
Speaker 1: just like give me length, length and strength instead of
Speaker 1: just like finding good players.
Speaker 2: Now works for Brian Thomas, make the strength.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But at the same time, Brian Thomas had great family.
Speaker 1: I thought it was just like one little thing away
Speaker 1: from becoming an elite player too. I just still surprised
Speaker 1: that Brian Thomas fell that far, even if there was
Speaker 1: some red flags. Just like, that's a good film and
Speaker 1: he's six ' three and runs really fucking fast. So
Speaker 1: like what what's what's what's the hold up here? So yeah,
Speaker 1: and then with Doug Peterson, I don't hate Doug. I
Speaker 1: just I think some of the same issues in Philly
Speaker 1: are popping up where too many cooks in the kitchen?
Speaker 1: Is he is he a leader of men, like it's
Speaker 1: just falling apart and he's I think he's a solid
Speaker 1: offensive mine, but I don't think he's a great offensive mine.
Speaker 1: And I think he gets too stuck in some of
Speaker 1: the stuff that he's doing, like forced reeting, even ingram
Speaker 1: or whatever whatever it could be, instead of trying to
Speaker 1: involve it. But I don't I don't hate Peterson. I mean,
Speaker 1: the guy won a Super Bowl, but it just feels
Speaker 1: like they have to start over there. But if they
Speaker 1: if they fire Doug Peterson and not Balky though, Jacks
Speaker 1: fans should be I rate yeah, like there should there
Speaker 1: should be I'll join you. I'm like two hours south
Speaker 1: of you. I'll join you. Like there needs to be
Speaker 1: mass protests outside, you know, rip that you know, Jaguars
Speaker 1: statue down or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I I put it as as red hot
Speaker 2: thinking that they're that they're both gone. But if there's
Speaker 2: a chance, if there's even a chance that Balky stays
Speaker 2: that should not that should not be the case when
Speaker 2: you just extended, when you just extended Trevor Lawrence, and
Speaker 2: you're coming off of a four and twelve season, and
Speaker 2: the AFC South, like AFC South, there's nowhere near where
Speaker 2: we thought the AFC South could possibly be. The Titans
Speaker 2: were not a frisky team like we thought that they
Speaker 2: could be. The Colts were bad, you know, they they
Speaker 2: just missed the playoffs, and the Texans are extremely vulnerable
Speaker 2: this year even though they have a good record. So
Speaker 2: this was this could have been a year where the
Speaker 2: Jaguars could have been like, all right, well we're in
Speaker 2: the playoffs and we're here and we're doing something. And
Speaker 2: instead it's the opposite.
Speaker 1: For also, something that's come back to, like you have
Speaker 1: the first overall pick and you say you're gonna take
Speaker 1: Trayvon Walker. Oh, the traits, the trades, bet on the
Speaker 1: trades and whenever, and when the film is clear, like, hey,
Speaker 1: Aiden Hutchinson's a lot better than this, you know. And
Speaker 1: then Sausa Gardner and Stingley, you know, Sauce was my
Speaker 1: number one corner in that draft. Stingley was there but
Speaker 1: he had some issues I had worried about, Like, but
Speaker 1: we were just like Trayvon Walker can't be the correct
Speaker 1: pick here, like Aiden Hutchinson should be it. And you see,
Speaker 1: I know he got injured, but Aiden Hutchinson thriving. And
Speaker 1: then Travon Walker is just kind of the same thing
Speaker 1: he was at George even though he does get some.
Speaker 2: Sacks, but double digit tackles back, that's that's a that's
Speaker 2: a huge whiff on their part in my opinion, but
Speaker 2: compared to the other guys, like it's it's a mess.
Speaker 1: And then the Giants. The Giants year three, they're three
Speaker 1: and thirteen. Uh there, you know we've we broke down
Speaker 1: thirty minutes on our most recent Talking Giants podcast. But
Speaker 1: it seems like they're going to escape. Go Brian Dable.
Speaker 1: They want to keep Joe Shane because they like to
Speaker 1: give gms a long leash and don't want to turn
Speaker 1: over everything that you have to turn over when you
Speaker 1: get a new GM. They should be firing Joe Shane
Speaker 1: justin Joe Shane has done a terrible job building this roster.
Speaker 1: His resume after three years. If they do fire Brian
Speaker 1: Dable is going to be bad roster, no quarterback, failed
Speaker 1: head coach. That's a that's as bad as and worst
Speaker 1: record in the NFL. That's as bad as a resume
Speaker 1: as there is if you get a quarterback at sick.
Speaker 1: But I don't know why people are just granting him
Speaker 1: that he's going to get this quarterback, especially when he
Speaker 1: gave you know, eighty two million dollars guaranteed to Daniel Jones.
Speaker 1: So Joe Shane should absolutely be fired, but it seems
Speaker 1: like Brian Dable's going to be the one to go. Dable,
Speaker 1: I think there's a chance he gets another opportunity in
Speaker 1: the NFL. I think there's a he can be a
Speaker 1: good head coach. He won Coach of the Year a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, but with a bad roster, no quarterback,
Speaker 1: I think his issues rise to the top, right, lack
Speaker 1: of attention to detail, you know, not being too much
Speaker 1: of a player's coach, where you know, there's a culture
Speaker 1: of letting shit slide there, which I'm going to use
Speaker 1: with uh, you know the Colts in the second. But
Speaker 1: he's out, yeah, listen to let's get it, Yeah, let's
Speaker 1: get let's get to warm, because I think that's what
Speaker 1: the conversations are happening, but why don't you talk to
Speaker 1: us about something?
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Speaker 2: Biby Skinner, you will be glad you did.
Speaker 1: You'll be glad you did. Let's talk about warm, justin
Speaker 1: who we have in this category.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, I think this is where we start to
Speaker 2: get a little bit different. I have two names in
Speaker 2: my warm category. I'm confident in the first one, not
Speaker 2: so confident the second one. I have Antonio Pierce's seat
Speaker 2: as warm, and I also have the Patriots Drawdmeo's seat
Speaker 2: as warm.
Speaker 1: I also put the Colts in there, and I want
Speaker 1: to talk about the Colts because that's where we differ.
Speaker 2: And I have Shane Steiken and Chris Ballard as.
Speaker 1: Luke Warm agreed, and I think Chris Ballard is the
Speaker 1: key there. He's been there since twenty seventeen. There have
Speaker 1: a sixty one and sixty nine record, haven't made the
Speaker 1: playoffs since twenty twenty. Has gotten an opportunity to after
Speaker 1: quarterback and Anthony Richardson, which has failed pretty pretty miserably.
Speaker 1: Even though there's talent there where you still have like
Speaker 1: a little bit of hope for him. I do want
Speaker 1: to talk about the Shane Steike in part of this.
Speaker 1: I think I think they've got a clean house. I
Speaker 1: think they've messed this up. I think they need a
Speaker 1: total cultural h you know shift there. Pat McAfee, you know,
Speaker 1: had a long post talking about it. It's time for
Speaker 1: a change in Indianapolis.
Speaker 2: I just don't think Ji Mersey like that's a tough
Speaker 2: decision for a team. And I think Shane Steichen through
Speaker 2: his first two years is going to finish seventeen and
Speaker 2: seventeen with borderline below average and at times quarterback.
Speaker 1: Play, yeah, bad quarterback play. Here's the thing with Stiking.
Speaker 1: I think Stiking can be a really good coach in
Speaker 1: the NFL. The issues, I think there's a culture of
Speaker 1: letting shit slide. You know, you saw that with some
Speaker 1: of the Pat McAfee stuff, mishandling of the quarterback spot.
Speaker 1: And here's the thing we always got to remind ourselves
Speaker 1: with offense coaches, there's more to the job than being
Speaker 1: an offensive play caller. There's a lot more to the job.
Speaker 1: And what was my big thing on why I didn't
Speaker 1: rank Shane Stike in high in the our coach rankings
Speaker 1: this offseason.
Speaker 2: Because he kept Gus Bradley.
Speaker 1: Keeping Gus Bradley is a sin. It's not a bad decision,
Speaker 1: it was a.
Speaker 2: Sin against the Giants where they dropped forty five on you.
Speaker 1: And you point back playoffs and to the Chris Ballard point.
Speaker 1: Keeping Gus Bradley with this defense, this defensive talent is terrible.
Speaker 1: It's terrible. You've you've You've drafted guys who are athletes
Speaker 1: who have bad football instincts. You know, if I have to,
Speaker 1: I can't believe Nick Cross is still playing for that team.
Speaker 1: He's the worst instincts I've ever seen for NFL safety.
Speaker 1: But boy is he athletic. I I think you you
Speaker 1: have to let go of Chris Ballard and you can't
Speaker 1: keep Shange Steiking. But here's what I'll say. I think
Speaker 1: Shane Stikeen becomes one of the becomes a head coach
Speaker 1: for another team next year if they do clean house here.
Speaker 1: And I think that's the reason why they may not
Speaker 1: do this is because they don't want to lose Shane
Speaker 1: steik In. But I think Shane Steiken kind of if
Speaker 1: you get the right quarterback in here, nice. But I
Speaker 1: think Shane steichen himself may need a quick reset and
Speaker 1: learn from his mistakes and not have a GM who's
Speaker 1: forcing him to keep a defensive court. And again, Shane
Speaker 1: Stikeen inherited Gus Bradley, so that was something from the
Speaker 1: organization to keep him. And then you have a bad
Speaker 1: year and he doesn't fire him, like I don't care
Speaker 1: what if I want. I think Shane steike In probably
Speaker 1: would be better off in a different situation. And that's
Speaker 1: why the Jags or the Colts may stay the course here.
Speaker 1: But it seems like there's it's really a time for
Speaker 1: change in Annianapolis.
Speaker 2: Like you know, our guy Dalton Philly is a Colts fan.
Speaker 2: You know, he put out a long tweet after you know,
Speaker 2: he was there for that loss. He sat with me
Speaker 2: in my seats, was there for that loss against the Giants.
Speaker 2: And there are certain moves that he's like even for
Speaker 2: going back at the quarterback position that Chris ballad has
Speaker 2: made where he kind of attributed to like the Carson
Speaker 2: Wentz trade, kind of attributed that that was like a
Speaker 2: that was like a Jim Ersay move, and the Matt
Speaker 2: Ryan trade, well that was a Chris Ballard move. And hey,
Speaker 2: that's familiar for me, and I think it's familiar if
Speaker 2: you're a fan of a specific team. I don't think
Speaker 2: that's a foreign concept. Where if you have an owner
Speaker 2: stepping in that maybe wants to make a move or
Speaker 2: wants you to be aggressive and a GM is more hesitant,
Speaker 2: or you have a GM that is more aggressive with
Speaker 2: a certain move, so you know there's there's imbalance there
Speaker 2: where there are some moves that it's a Jim Ersay move,
Speaker 2: where it's a Frank Reich move, and then you have
Speaker 2: other things that are Chris Ballard moves and Chris Ballard
Speaker 2: decisions and and things like that. So there seems to
Speaker 2: be in balance there. I don't know. Man, Like I
Speaker 2: look at this offensive line and I say, this is
Speaker 2: it's still a damn good offensive line. And we know
Speaker 2: that Ballard can get guys in here, and like, these
Speaker 2: are guys that are drafting the second third and Day
Speaker 2: three of the draft that can start and can play
Speaker 2: for you. It's a pass rush that is decent. It's
Speaker 2: not great, it's not good. I don't think there's any
Speaker 2: above average players, but it's a good to solid pass
Speaker 2: rush in the in the NFL today, so I look
Speaker 2: at it as you get you get Gus Bradley outing,
Speaker 2: you have to fire Gus Bradley, you have to get
Speaker 2: Gus Bradley out, you get a different defensive coordinator in there.
Speaker 2: I think the moves that Anthony Rigson made sure it's
Speaker 2: the second half the season is somewhat promising where he
Speaker 2: could be your quarterback week one. It just sucks that
Speaker 2: he gets injured and shit like that. But I think
Speaker 2: that they run it back with what they got.
Speaker 1: I think they end up what this ends up ends
Speaker 1: up being, is they just push everything back of the
Speaker 1: year and that we're in the same situation. I think
Speaker 1: they're in the same exact situation next year.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I would just find it would just be a
Speaker 2: shame that this coach that's seventeen and seventeen after two
Speaker 2: years with awful quarterback play. I would say at times
Speaker 2: it's been average, but more more or less awful quarterback
Speaker 2: play with a defensive coordinator that seems like it was
Speaker 2: forced upon him. It would be a shame if that
Speaker 2: coach is fired after two years.
Speaker 1: I agree, listen, I agree with that point of it,
Speaker 1: but it's time. It's time for a reset, because what
Speaker 1: they're doing is they're just pushing this back a year
Speaker 1: like they're not again Chris Ballat. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: done a horrible job, but he certainly isn't. This team
Speaker 1: that's brimming with talent, and it's just, oh my god,
Speaker 1: it needs to be harnessed or we need to get
Speaker 1: the quarterback. I think it's a really good offensive play
Speaker 1: caller with some good offensive talent, no quarterback, and a
Speaker 1: defense with a to me which is clearly lacking a
Speaker 1: lot of talent. I also think they made he made
Speaker 1: a horrible decision by taking law too as the first
Speaker 1: defensive player off the board in this most recent draft,
Speaker 1: when I thought Jared Vers was a clearly better player.
Speaker 1: They could have added Kenyon Mitchell if they wanted to
Speaker 1: go dB, and they went for the older, you know,
Speaker 1: injury prone cross chop edge who can be a solid
Speaker 1: player and I think will be, but not going to
Speaker 1: be the impact that those guys are. So I think
Speaker 1: it's time for a change to the other one. The
Speaker 1: Patriots and Raiders both would be one and done's with
Speaker 1: Jerrod Mayo and Antonio Appears. And I'll say this with
Speaker 1: Antonio appears, He's four and twelve this year, five and
Speaker 1: fours as an interim head coach last year. I think
Speaker 1: he's had missteps along the way. I mean had the
Speaker 1: fire basically his entire offensive staff middle of the year,
Speaker 1: and then bringing the Turner Northern Scott Turner. I'm not
Speaker 1: pulling the plug on this yet. I think if you
Speaker 1: hired this guy this this team lacks so much talent.
Speaker 1: We said it last year. It's like they are relying
Speaker 1: so much on defensive coaching that that's just hard to do.
Speaker 1: And then offensively like they just they have a terrible
Speaker 1: quarterback situation. I'm not pulling the plug on this. I'd
Speaker 1: at least at least like to see him. Maybe you
Speaker 1: keep the Turners here for next year, figure out what
Speaker 1: you're gonna do at quarterback, and you know, and just
Speaker 1: continue that talent. Right. You added Brock Bauers last year,
Speaker 1: we went best best player available. A lot of people
Speaker 1: probably mocked that, and guess what you've got to me
Speaker 1: the best rookie performance of the year. So continue to
Speaker 1: attack the draft with the best player available mindset, and
Speaker 1: you give Antonio Peers in this staff another year, I
Speaker 1: think it'd be a shame for the roster with this
Speaker 1: talent to pull the plug on the head coach because
Speaker 1: I don't think there's I don't think there's many head
Speaker 1: coaches who get this team more than five six wins.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are some pros and cons of Antonio Pierce.
Speaker 2: I think the biggest con is that there just may
Speaker 2: be better upgrades out there. There may be better upgrades
Speaker 2: that want to come to the Las Vegas Raiders.
Speaker 1: I agree, but then you shouldn't have. You shouldn't have
Speaker 1: bought into the interim head coach hiring thing last year,
Speaker 1: which again I don't think they should have, but if
Speaker 1: you did, you need to at least stick that through
Speaker 1: this through two years.
Speaker 2: Another con is that even though after he fired the
Speaker 2: offense coordinator, the quarterback coach, and the offensive line coach,
Speaker 2: the offense did get better. Scott Turner his offense coordinators
Speaker 2: a pseudo worked. I mean, you know, you with with
Speaker 2: with the quarterback play, with the offensive line play. The
Speaker 2: run game has been horrible to kind of start the year.
Speaker 2: It's gotten a little bit better with the mirr Abdula.
Speaker 2: Out of all people shout out Nebraska, you know, so
Speaker 2: I guess you could say, well, it's good consolation that
Speaker 2: the kind of the people that he brought in in
Speaker 2: the second half got a little bit better. But also
Speaker 2: now those are three very important positions that he now
Speaker 2: needs to find, and you know, getting a staff together
Speaker 2: as a head coach is a very important thing. But
Speaker 2: the pros for Antonio Piers, I think Mark Davis may
Speaker 2: be tired of the constant turnover a ton of head coaches.
Speaker 2: In a span of a decade. There were thirteen players
Speaker 2: on IR and a good amount of them were contributes,
Speaker 2: especially on the defensive side of the ball. So that's
Speaker 2: I think he stays. I would put his seat as warm.
Speaker 2: Players have kind of showed up for him and played well,
Speaker 2: and I do think I just think that I do
Speaker 2: think that by this time next year, Antonio Peers is
Speaker 2: going to be fired. That's kind of why I would
Speaker 2: just kind of do it now. But you did kind
Speaker 2: of make your bed. They may lie in it.
Speaker 1: But I think Antonio Piers can work as an NFLI
Speaker 1: head cards. This isn't someone I think is totally He's
Speaker 1: made mistakes along the way, right, some immaturity early in
Speaker 1: the season with the whole Devonte Adams part of this,
Speaker 1: But I think he is trying to build a culture there,
Speaker 1: and like, you can't give him a roster that's just
Speaker 1: not talented, And then like, well, why didn't you do
Speaker 1: more than this? Like if they had won one to
Speaker 1: two games, which this roster was capable of winning one
Speaker 1: two games, then maybe maybe you're there. But I'm giving
Speaker 1: Antonio Pierce another year now. Another guy who I'm not
Speaker 1: going to give another year is the Patriots and girod
Speaker 1: Mayo worst record in the NFL three and thirteen. The
Speaker 1: other part of this is that they don't have a
Speaker 1: true GM, even though Elliott Wolf is their de facto GM.
Speaker 1: But this organization needs a reset. Okay, they are too
Speaker 1: reliant on the crafts. The crafts are smelling themselves, and
Speaker 1: they have hired puppets for them. You know, girod Mao
Speaker 1: has clearly been that for them. You know, they didn't
Speaker 1: do a coaching search, they just hired him, you know,
Speaker 1: the day or whatever after they Bill Belichick was gone.
Speaker 1: I hate one and done. But this defense has fallen
Speaker 1: off without Bills, which was something that people try to
Speaker 1: just write in like, well, the Patriots had a good defense.
Speaker 1: Well they're also losing the greatest defensive mind the NFL
Speaker 1: has ever seen the best head coach of all time
Speaker 1: and Bill Belichick, Uh, he doesn't handle the day to
Speaker 1: day stuff well at all. I think he hasn't built
Speaker 1: a good culture. I think he's thrown people under the bus.
Speaker 1: And when you have a guy like Drake may you
Speaker 1: need the offensive coach to go with him. I'm out
Speaker 1: on Draw Mayo. I think he should be a one
Speaker 1: and done. And you talk about Antonio Pierce, maybe not
Speaker 1: should be the hired last year, Fine, but at least
Speaker 1: you had something to go off with it. Draw Mayo was.
Speaker 1: We didn't. We didn't even look at other candidates. We
Speaker 1: just we just hired him and didn't even think about
Speaker 1: hiring anybody else because we thought this was a you know,
Speaker 1: plan and waiting type thing. So yeah, I want you
Speaker 1: Mayo out there. I think New England deserves a lot better.
Speaker 1: But I also think the Crafts need to stop smelling
Speaker 1: themselves and realize they're not the reason for all those
Speaker 1: championships and they need to put someone in place who's
Speaker 1: going to run everything. There.
Speaker 2: Vibes are weird there, you know, with the whole Then
Speaker 2: this is the second time or this has happened this
Speaker 2: year where there's pregame reports of and I think the
Speaker 2: first time this happened it was the Dolphins game where
Speaker 2: the Patriots were home playing the Dolphins. Ramadre Stevenson is
Speaker 2: being bench for Antonio Gibson. Okay, Ramadre Stevenson then goes
Speaker 2: out against the Dolphins and has a great game and
Speaker 2: has more carries and more touches. We here on NFL
Speaker 2: Network this past Sunday were with our own very own
Speaker 2: Chris Rose. Antonio Gibson's going to get the start, first
Speaker 2: couple of plays of the game. Romadre Stevenson's getting the ball.
Speaker 2: What's going on? What's going on? Grod Mayo after the
Speaker 2: game is asked about it. Coach's decision. Bro, you're the coach, man,
Speaker 2: Like you're the coach, how was gonna at your explanation?
Speaker 2: Coach's decision? And like you're the coach, you don't have
Speaker 2: anything to say on it. We were there in training
Speaker 2: camp to Bobby and I kind of hate to use this.
Speaker 2: Practices were horrible. They got very little accomplish There is
Speaker 2: a lot of standing around, and we were literally able
Speaker 2: to compare it because they were having a joint practice
Speaker 2: with the Eagles. So it's not like, Okay, this is
Speaker 2: just what NFL teams do, you know, NFLPA the rules,
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. We're watching one team, the Philadelphia Eagles,
Speaker 2: a good football team. Practice, be active, they're talking, they're communicating,
Speaker 2: they're they're constantly drilling. There's constant coaching going on with
Speaker 2: the coaches and players and bah blah blah. And then
Speaker 2: we see the Patriots on the other side and they're
Speaker 2: standing around. They're standing around, And compare that to our giants,
Speaker 2: which we see every year. We think Brian Dable, If
Speaker 2: Brian Dable runs a country club practice, I don't know
Speaker 2: what Geron Mao runs. And then whenever they make a mistake,
Speaker 2: he has them running laps for fifteen minutes, which takes
Speaker 2: away from the practice time that you only get an
Speaker 2: hour and a half every day anyway. So, yeah, the
Speaker 2: vibes are weird there. Obviously, if you're hey, if you're
Speaker 2: gonna say the talent's not good for the for the
Speaker 2: Las Vegas Raiders, the talent is certainly not good.
Speaker 1: But it's better and they've resigned a lot of those
Speaker 1: defensive players they've resigned, you know, and we're not going
Speaker 1: the talent's.
Speaker 2: Better defensive maybe maybe in new way it is better.
Speaker 1: And again it's guys that they resigned. We're not talking
Speaker 1: about guys who are maybe a little better, but they're here,
Speaker 1: Like they resigned half that defense before the season. I
Speaker 1: know they lost bear more and but you know they yeah,
Speaker 1: they traded Judah, but they got Gonzalez back, who's a
Speaker 1: real deal corner like that, that team is a better
Speaker 1: team with Belichick and and having may But again.
Speaker 2: Their problems also extend way past Drawd Mayo because this
Speaker 2: year's they showed this year's draft class like side by side,
Speaker 2: but the Chargers draft class, and and you know, think
Speaker 2: of how barren that Chargers roster was. And they even
Speaker 2: showed that trade where the Lodd mcconkee trade where it's like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, and it was trade they did the
Speaker 2: trade with the Patriots where it was like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: like this is.
Speaker 1: This is a horrible, horrible.
Speaker 2: Draft class that you just produced outside of Drake may horrible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and just a horrible planet offensive line going into
Speaker 1: the season. Uh Now, I think the Patriots are a
Speaker 1: team that should be trying to make a run at
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson as well too.
Speaker 2: No way he would want to know why not.
Speaker 1: Why not come in there with the new GM. They again, they.
Speaker 2: They're not going to get a new GM.
Speaker 1: But I think that's a mistake on their on there.
Speaker 1: They're not because because I think they have enough to
Speaker 1: They're gonna have the there's the most look of the
Speaker 1: first overall pick that they could they could have Drake
Speaker 1: May maybe either the best player in the draft or
Speaker 1: you know, multiple picks. I think that's a spot that
Speaker 1: I can get them. So any so we hit Warm, Lukewarm,
Speaker 1: I got the Browns and Cowboys. Who do you got?
Speaker 2: Yeah? So I again, I put Lukewarm as Shane Stiken
Speaker 2: and Chris Ballard. I only had two. I only had
Speaker 2: two names as my Warm, which was the Raiders and
Speaker 2: the Pats. So my Lukewarm, I have three more people.
Speaker 2: I have Mike McCarthy, I have Kevin Stefanski and Andrew
Speaker 2: Berry kind of like that package deal in Cleveland there
Speaker 2: head coaching GM, and I also have Todd Bowls and
Speaker 2: we'll talk about that. But where do you want to start?
Speaker 1: I want to talk about the Cowboys. They shouldn't fire
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy, correct, I mean you went seven to nine
Speaker 1: this year, missing Dak you didn't add any talent this offseason.
Speaker 1: You went twelve and five three years in a row.
Speaker 1: You didn't fire them after last year's playoff debacle. You
Speaker 1: lost Dan Quinn, the defense was injured all year. I
Speaker 1: think he's done a pretty bang up job with that
Speaker 1: what he was dealt with this year.
Speaker 2: I want to check where they are defensively in EPA
Speaker 2: per play because because Ron Rivera seems like a decent
Speaker 2: higher they're they're twenty eighth, but they're yeah, they're they're
Speaker 2: they're so bad personnel life there. Oh what did I say, Mike,
Speaker 2: Mike Zimmer, That's what I'm sorry, Excuse me, Yeah, twenty
Speaker 2: eighth and EPA per play, but they're all it's their
Speaker 2: Their past defense is actually decent, above average. They're just
Speaker 2: so bad run defense wise, But I think that's a
Speaker 2: personnel issue. I don't know. I'm not necessarily going to
Speaker 2: really put all of them on make zimber. They're just
Speaker 2: so bad interior. You know, they lost Michael park Is
Speaker 2: for a good Man of the Year. Their interior defensive
Speaker 2: line is horrible. Mozzie Smith is a complete bust. Their
Speaker 2: linebacker situation has not been great. I think they've lost
Speaker 2: to marve On overshown to another season ending injury when
Speaker 2: he was having a solid year. So yeah, that personnelage
Speaker 2: just really, really bad. So the only case, the only
Speaker 2: case in which I see Mike McCarthy maybe leaving, And
Speaker 2: you brought this up, but I don't think. I think
Speaker 2: Jerry Jones is loyal and sometimes loyal to a fault, right.
Speaker 2: The only case in which Mike McCarthy leaves is if
Speaker 2: there is another sexy name that comes in and you've
Speaker 2: talked about this, Bobby.
Speaker 1: I thought they were going to be the Bill spot.
Speaker 1: I wanted Bill. I wanted Bill there. Once Bill went
Speaker 1: off the market, I said, doubt Cowboys, SA.
Speaker 2: Bill's not off the market. Bill Belichick is not off
Speaker 2: the market.
Speaker 1: He has eight million dollar buyout.
Speaker 2: He doesn't want to be in un sing. He wants
Speaker 2: a son to get that UNC job. That's what he wants.
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick wants to be in the NFL. I cannot
Speaker 2: see Bill Belichick sitting in a seventeen and eighteen year
Speaker 2: old house in doing this a lot.
Speaker 1: I don't know why everyone says that acts like Bill
Speaker 1: Belichick doesn't like the grimy parts of the jobs. The
Speaker 1: guy in his off here took ten media jobs and
Speaker 1: the guy had no interest in doing media when he
Speaker 1: was a coach.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's different.
Speaker 1: That's so here's the thing is let Bill go and
Speaker 1: you and that's I think it's another reason why to
Speaker 1: keep McCarthy go again next year if Bill wants, if
Speaker 1: you want to buy out Bill at that point, then
Speaker 1: you can move off of McCarthy. But unless you know that,
Speaker 1: they're what what else did you want Mike McCarthy to
Speaker 1: do with all the circumstances he was done with this year.
Speaker 2: And they fought and they didn't you know, they fought
Speaker 2: and Dak went down and they started winning more games
Speaker 2: and started the Ceedee Lamb is still banged up in
Speaker 2: the running back situation is terrible. Yeah, So that's why
Speaker 2: I put him as as lukewarm. Were originally a couple
Speaker 2: of weeks ago or even earlier, earlier in the season,
Speaker 2: he's warm or even red hot, but now he's down
Speaker 2: to luke warm. I I just don't think there's enough buzz.
Speaker 2: I know, his contracts up, so they need to negotiate
Speaker 2: a contract no matter what. But I think that's going
Speaker 2: to be more or less on does Mike McCarthy want
Speaker 2: to come back because I think Jerry Jones would want
Speaker 2: him to come back, right, And if you're Mike McCarthy,
Speaker 2: where else do you want to go?
Speaker 1: Noh, Mike McCarthy's not going to It's either Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: gets fired.
Speaker 2: Or were Likeking retires. He's not going to retire.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not fired, but like intentionally the boys just said
Speaker 1: I'd go away. Yeah, all right, let's see what else
Speaker 1: the Browns. Here's the thing with the Browns. Stefanasy has
Speaker 1: been forty and forty three as a head coach, two
Speaker 1: winning seasons in a playoff win that goes a long
Speaker 1: way in Cleveland. The Deshaun Watson contract and acquisition is
Speaker 1: the worst decision ever made in NFL history. Yes, but
Speaker 1: here's the issue is I'm actually making them live with
Speaker 1: it for a little bit because you have to deal
Speaker 1: with this for the next two years. So like that's
Speaker 1: what's going to be sexy about this job, to come
Speaker 1: and deal with it. Well, you got to deal with
Speaker 1: this Deshaun Watson contract for two years.
Speaker 2: After covering the Browns knowing that, Oh I'm knowing that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, be it terrible. So I'm I'm just keeping them
Speaker 1: for another year just because it's like, I'm making you
Speaker 1: you two live with this that sucks man.
Speaker 2: That like if if I'm a Browns fan and like,
Speaker 2: and I feel like as just an NFL fan, anybody
Speaker 2: that had anything to do with that Deshaun Watson decision
Speaker 2: needs to be fired because I don't care. I don't
Speaker 2: care the roster that you've built, I don't care what
Speaker 2: your past success is. I'm even mad at Kevin Stefanski
Speaker 2: from going away from his identity as a head coach
Speaker 2: where he used to be. We're gonna, you know, he
Speaker 2: used to be almost like forty nine ers in Baltimore Ravens.
Speaker 2: If we're gonna run the damn ball and we're gonna
Speaker 2: be aggressive, and that's what that's our identity. And then
Speaker 2: they trade for Watson and it's like, all right, well
Speaker 2: now we're now we're an eleven personnel team and we're
Speaker 2: gonna take away any any kind of foundational identity that
Speaker 2: we had as a team. We're taking it away now,
Speaker 2: all for this guy who sucks. So I want anybody
Speaker 2: who was associated with that decision, I want them fired.
Speaker 1: But me too, But like I said, I'm kind of
Speaker 1: punishing them by making them live with that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and what is the new guy gonna do? What
Speaker 2: is a new guy gonna come in and do? Yeah,
Speaker 2: you gotta live with it for another year.
Speaker 1: And you do with like what the Texans did, where
Speaker 1: you get a GM like, hey, this is a five
Speaker 1: year plan. Let's get a David Coley Lovey Smith type
Speaker 1: head coach to deal with this for two years and
Speaker 1: then well, if it's if he surprised us sick. If not,
Speaker 1: we'll fire him and then you'll get a head coaching
Speaker 1: higher man. But even then, like, I'm just kind of
Speaker 1: making them live with this. Uh cool, what I didn't
Speaker 1: put any whoa whoa go ahead?
Speaker 2: We got to talk about Todd Bowles, and it's very
Speaker 2: simple for me. I like Todd Bowles. I think he's
Speaker 2: actually done a very good job of even when Dave
Speaker 2: Canalis left this past.
Speaker 1: Year, I think he's better than Dave Canalis.
Speaker 2: Hired an offense coordinator who i've Liam Cohen, who I
Speaker 2: view as better than Dave Canals, even though Canals is
Speaker 2: doing a good job in Carolina. But a guy that's
Speaker 2: better than Dave Canalis because he has a run game
Speaker 2: that's better and you know, helping out Baker Mayfield on
Speaker 2: early downs and Liam Cohen's done a really good job
Speaker 2: of dealing with adversity when it comes to injuries on
Speaker 2: his offense, and Baker continues to look good. So if
Speaker 2: you don't want to lose Liam Cohen, which I you know,
Speaker 2: maybe you could trust Todd Bowles and you you were
Speaker 2: mentioned to me before the show that Bruce Arians is
Speaker 2: still like in that front office.
Speaker 1: Yeah they're not. They're not doing that if Bruce Arians
Speaker 1: is still working there.
Speaker 2: But you know, just plucking these you can't offensive coordinators
Speaker 2: like this don't necessarily just grow on trees. Do they
Speaker 2: make the decision to let Todd Bowles go because you
Speaker 2: don't want to lose Liam Collen.
Speaker 1: They did that. This same GM did that Jason Lake
Speaker 1: with fired Lovey Smith and kept Dirt Cutter and upgraded
Speaker 1: him after James's rookie year. I don't think it's the
Speaker 1: worst thing in the world, but this just it's just
Speaker 1: not gonna happen. It's not gonna happen with Bruce Arians
Speaker 1: being a part of that organization. And if they don't
Speaker 1: collapse this week, they're going to be in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: And I think they're a team that can be free
Speaker 1: and they're just not gonna They're not gonna do it.
Speaker 2: If they have a first round exit in the playoffs, No,
Speaker 2: I don't think so. And their defense gives up thirty
Speaker 2: five points and they score thirty two points against U
Speaker 2: the Vikings of the Lions or whatever team, well, they
Speaker 2: would be a division winner still playing a wild card team.
Speaker 1: Not happening with Bruce Arians in that building.
Speaker 2: Okay, we'll say that that's the the really the only
Speaker 2: name on this list out of everybody that we're talking about,
Speaker 2: like everybody everybody expected us to talk about Shane Styke
Speaker 2: and Mike McCarthy, Gerrodmeo and you know, Doug Peterson out
Speaker 2: of all, Like, I think that's the that's the most
Speaker 2: interesting name. Like, oh, I never thought of that. That
Speaker 2: a lout of all the names that we talked about.
Speaker 2: So all right, cool, I'm gonna be quick about this.
Speaker 2: Like I think I already mentioned this. I think Zach Taylor,
Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahan, and I'm also putting Brian Callahan's name in this.
Speaker 2: I think their jobs are safe. I don't think Callahan's
Speaker 2: gonna be a one and done. I really don't. I
Speaker 2: don't buy into Kyle Shanahan his job being a jeopardy
Speaker 2: in San fran even if there is some discontent there,
Speaker 2: I think him and John Lynch will just work together
Speaker 2: too well. And then Zach Taylor, I don't know what
Speaker 2: they're gonna do. Like I was, I have some Bengals
Speaker 2: fans of my replies, which I'm surprised to see that
Speaker 2: I have Bengals fans of my replies saying that Zach
Speaker 2: Taylor does don't want to get rid of Luin and Rumo.
Speaker 2: I think you kind of have to at this point.
Speaker 2: So but I think there's their jobs are safe.
Speaker 1: Ah, all right, that's an episode that was football. We'll
Speaker 1: see you on Friday for a little bit of a
Speaker 1: little bit of preview show. Thank you all for listening.
Speaker 1: Hope you have a happy new Year. We'll see you then.
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