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Speaker 1: Welcome to football Today. Wednesday, January first, twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the new year. Welcome to football today. I'm

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Speaker 1: bobys seeing from here with Justin Pennock. And guess what

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Speaker 1: we're gonna do New Year. We're gonna talk about people

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Speaker 1: who should be fired.

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Speaker 2: Shue geeesh.

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Speaker 1: I recommend you to be fired. I've already went to

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Speaker 1: Jimmy O'Brien otherwise known as John Boy, and I hope

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Speaker 1: you get fired. How are you?

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Speaker 2: This is our NFL Black Monday preview, Bobby Skinner and

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Speaker 2: everybody listening. I hope you had a happy New Year. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So what we're gonna do is, we're gonna break this

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Speaker 2: down into a couple different categories. We're going to talk

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Speaker 2: about the coaching and GM vacancies that are already open.

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Speaker 2: So there's three of those. Uh, We're gonna break it

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Speaker 2: down also into four categories of there's going to be

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Speaker 2: coaches and gms that will probably be fired on Black Monday.

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Speaker 2: Whose seed is red hot? How about whose seed is warm?

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Speaker 2: Whose seat do we think is lukewarm? And then whose

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Speaker 2: job is basically safe? Who is on the cool side

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Speaker 2: of things? Out of all the coaches and possible gms

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Speaker 2: that could be fired. We're going to talk about almost

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Speaker 2: all of them. I will say my one little caveat

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Speaker 2: I I don't know the inner workings of every team's

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Speaker 2: GM position, but most teams are more ept and willing

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Speaker 2: to fire head coaches anyway rather than gms. And I

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Speaker 2: think we have a pretty good idea of what head

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I have opinions on some of these gms

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Speaker 1: as well too. So what do you want to start

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Speaker 1: off with? The open the open seats right now of

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Speaker 1: the Bears, Saints, and Jets.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's let's do that. So the Jets they fired

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Speaker 2: their head coach Robert Saal, they fired Joe Douglas in

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Speaker 2: the middle of the season, and I'll be honest getting

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Speaker 2: a little excited about Rex Ryan. I don't have like

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Speaker 2: even though I don't think it's as as terrible of

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Speaker 2: a job as as people maybe make it seem to think.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know, man, I feel like dealing with

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Speaker 1: Woody Johnson is like the stuff that comes out, and

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Speaker 1: I know Jets fans will push back and say, oh, this, Well,

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Speaker 1: there's clearly very dysfunctional issues there. You're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: make a decision on Aaron Rodgers. And even if you

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Speaker 1: do decide to move on, what's your answer at that position?

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Speaker 1: To me, this this is an undesirable spot, despite the

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Speaker 1: direction they want to go. But they have, I mean,

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Speaker 1: they have sort of interviewing people because they're you know,

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Speaker 1: open and available. You know, they had you know, Jim

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Speaker 1: Ryan Rumors. So they haven't been able to start interviewing

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Speaker 1: like the actual good candidates yet. But I just really

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Speaker 1: have no clue where which way it's going to go,

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Speaker 1: because Woody Johnson's at very unpredictable.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Woody Johnson side of it. I was mainly

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Speaker 2: thinking of the rosher because you have a possible future

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Speaker 2: shown kind of flashes this year. You have Breeze Hall,

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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers has moved on from I mean, this is

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Speaker 2: the report that you know was put out there that

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Speaker 2: And if he's gone, then yeah, that is true. You

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Speaker 2: NFL teams kind of doing this pass offseason like the

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Speaker 2: Bengals on the forty nine ers Davante Adams and his

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Speaker 1: Still he's still there, but he's not part of the

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Speaker 2: There right right, But he's still there, you know. And

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Speaker 2: don't know how you can look at that roster and

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Speaker 1: Sure, but again, like we're not talking about just typical

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Speaker 1: the worst owner. Yeah in the NFL, right, the only

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Speaker 1: And it's not to mean there there's other bad owners, right,

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Speaker 1: which is again that's like, that's a horrible hire, right,

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Speaker 2: At least not yet, Like what what's the path forward?

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Speaker 1: What is the path forward for the New Orleans Saints?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, like at least with the Jets. You know,

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Speaker 2: I mentioned the roster, and you know I mentioned like, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: And I think the Saints don't have a terrible roster either, right.

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Speaker 1: He's just been so super health. You know, a lot

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Speaker 1: be Mickey Loomis too, that we're gonna stop pushing this

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Speaker 2: They would need to be bad for like one or

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which I think they need to embrace at this

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Speaker 1: point because they're stuck in that. They're stuck in not

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Speaker 2: So then you're going to hire a new head coach

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Speaker 2: which isn't great. But that's why it's like what you know,

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Speaker 2: Chris Rose and I talked about who's the most boring

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Speaker 2: NFL team even if they're not the worst. Right, the

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Speaker 2: Saints are not the worst team in the NFL. But

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Speaker 2: in terms of and Bobby, I know you're not like

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Speaker 2: a big storyline guy or intrigue guye, but like, really,

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Speaker 2: the Saints are the worst team in the NFL to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're put averaging forty five points per game. I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about the Bears.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Bears. So this is the one where usually

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Speaker 1: they're because everyone wants Ben Johnson. It seems like they're

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Speaker 1: have a good amount of talent on that roster, not

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Speaker 1: a great situation to try and attract a head coach.

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Speaker 1: But it seems like there's real smoke with Ben Johnson

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Speaker 1: there where. I don't think Ryan Poles has done a

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Speaker 1: I think he's had some big mistake but I think

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Speaker 1: okay with them keeping Ryan Poles where I usually would

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Speaker 1: they could also probably still get Ben Johnson and reset

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Speaker 1: It should be like whoever their number one candidate is,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's been there since twenty twenty one. His

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Speaker 1: You'll be glad you did. Let's talk about warm, justin

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Speaker 2: so confident the second one. I have Antonio Pierce's seat

433
00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:40,680
Speaker 2: as warm, and I also have the Patriots Drawdmeo's seat

434
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Speaker 2: as warm.

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Speaker 1: I also put the Colts in there, and I want

436
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:45,720
Speaker 1: to talk about the Colts because that's where we differ.

437
00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,119
Speaker 2: And I have Shane Steiken and Chris Ballard as.

438
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Speaker 1: Luke Warm agreed, and I think Chris Ballard is the

439
00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:54,800
Speaker 1: key there. He's been there since twenty seventeen. There have

440
00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:56,800
Speaker 1: a sixty one and sixty nine record, haven't made the

441
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Speaker 1: playoffs since twenty twenty. Has gotten an opportunity to after

442
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:04,200
Speaker 1: quarterback and Anthony Richardson, which has failed pretty pretty miserably.

443
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Speaker 1: Even though there's talent there where you still have like

444
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,680
Speaker 1: a little bit of hope for him. I do want

445
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:10,399
Speaker 1: to talk about the Shane Steike in part of this.

446
00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:13,919
Speaker 1: I think I think they've got a clean house. I

447
00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,560
Speaker 1: think they've messed this up. I think they need a

448
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:20,359
Speaker 1: total cultural h you know shift there. Pat McAfee, you know,

449
00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:23,320
Speaker 1: had a long post talking about it. It's time for

450
00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,600
Speaker 1: a change in Indianapolis.

451
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,920
Speaker 2: I just don't think Ji Mersey like that's a tough

452
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Speaker 2: decision for a team. And I think Shane Steichen through

453
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,040
Speaker 2: his first two years is going to finish seventeen and

454
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Speaker 2: seventeen with borderline below average and at times quarterback.

455
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Speaker 1: Play, yeah, bad quarterback play. Here's the thing with Stiking.

456
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Speaker 1: I think Stiking can be a really good coach in

457
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Speaker 1: the NFL. The issues, I think there's a culture of

458
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:53,919
Speaker 1: letting shit slide. You know, you saw that with some

459
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Speaker 1: of the Pat McAfee stuff, mishandling of the quarterback spot.

460
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Speaker 1: And here's the thing we always got to remind ourselves

461
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Speaker 1: with offense coaches, there's more to the job than being

462
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Speaker 1: an offensive play caller. There's a lot more to the job.

463
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Speaker 1: And what was my big thing on why I didn't

464
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Speaker 1: rank Shane Stike in high in the our coach rankings

465
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Speaker 1: this offseason.

466
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,119
Speaker 2: Because he kept Gus Bradley.

467
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Speaker 1: Keeping Gus Bradley is a sin. It's not a bad decision,

468
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:18,680
Speaker 1: it was a.

469
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Speaker 2: Sin against the Giants where they dropped forty five on you.

470
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Speaker 1: And you point back playoffs and to the Chris Ballard point.

471
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,440
Speaker 1: Keeping Gus Bradley with this defense, this defensive talent is terrible.

472
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Speaker 1: It's terrible. You've you've You've drafted guys who are athletes

473
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Speaker 1: who have bad football instincts. You know, if I have to,

474
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 1: I can't believe Nick Cross is still playing for that team.

475
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 1: He's the worst instincts I've ever seen for NFL safety.

476
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Speaker 1: But boy is he athletic. I I think you you

477
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Speaker 1: have to let go of Chris Ballard and you can't

478
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Speaker 1: keep Shange Steiking. But here's what I'll say. I think

479
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 1: Shane Stikeen becomes one of the becomes a head coach

480
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Speaker 1: for another team next year if they do clean house here.

481
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Speaker 1: And I think that's the reason why they may not

482
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Speaker 1: do this is because they don't want to lose Shane

483
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Speaker 1: steik In. But I think Shane Steiken kind of if

484
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Speaker 1: you get the right quarterback in here, nice. But I

485
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 1: think Shane steichen himself may need a quick reset and

486
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Speaker 1: learn from his mistakes and not have a GM who's

487
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Speaker 1: forcing him to keep a defensive court. And again, Shane

488
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,679
Speaker 1: Stikeen inherited Gus Bradley, so that was something from the

489
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Speaker 1: organization to keep him. And then you have a bad

490
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Speaker 1: year and he doesn't fire him, like I don't care

491
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Speaker 1: what if I want. I think Shane steike In probably

492
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:32,120
Speaker 1: would be better off in a different situation. And that's

493
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Speaker 1: why the Jags or the Colts may stay the course here.

494
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 1: But it seems like there's it's really a time for

495
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Speaker 1: change in Annianapolis.

496
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Speaker 2: Like you know, our guy Dalton Philly is a Colts fan.

497
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,199
Speaker 2: You know, he put out a long tweet after you know,

498
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,119
Speaker 2: he was there for that loss. He sat with me

499
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,119
Speaker 2: in my seats, was there for that loss against the Giants.

500
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Speaker 2: And there are certain moves that he's like even for

501
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,879
Speaker 2: going back at the quarterback position that Chris ballad has

502
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,719
Speaker 2: made where he kind of attributed to like the Carson

503
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 2: Wentz trade, kind of attributed that that was like a

504
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 2: that was like a Jim Ersay move, and the Matt

505
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 2: Ryan trade, well that was a Chris Ballard move. And hey,

506
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,119
Speaker 2: that's familiar for me, and I think it's familiar if

507
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 2: you're a fan of a specific team. I don't think

508
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 2: that's a foreign concept. Where if you have an owner

509
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 2: stepping in that maybe wants to make a move or

510
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 2: wants you to be aggressive and a GM is more hesitant,

511
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,199
Speaker 2: or you have a GM that is more aggressive with

512
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:30,119
Speaker 2: a certain move, so you know there's there's imbalance there

513
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,360
Speaker 2: where there are some moves that it's a Jim Ersay move,

514
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,439
Speaker 2: where it's a Frank Reich move, and then you have

515
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 2: other things that are Chris Ballard moves and Chris Ballard

516
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 2: decisions and and things like that. So there seems to

517
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 2: be in balance there. I don't know. Man, Like I

518
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 2: look at this offensive line and I say, this is

519
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 2: it's still a damn good offensive line. And we know

520
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 2: that Ballard can get guys in here, and like, these

521
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,160
Speaker 2: are guys that are drafting the second third and Day

522
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 2: three of the draft that can start and can play

523
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Speaker 2: for you. It's a pass rush that is decent. It's

524
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 2: not great, it's not good. I don't think there's any

525
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 2: above average players, but it's a good to solid pass

526
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 2: rush in the in the NFL today, so I look

527
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,880
Speaker 2: at it as you get you get Gus Bradley outing,

528
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 2: you have to fire Gus Bradley, you have to get

529
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 2: Gus Bradley out, you get a different defensive coordinator in there.

530
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 2: I think the moves that Anthony Rigson made sure it's

531
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 2: the second half the season is somewhat promising where he

532
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,199
Speaker 2: could be your quarterback week one. It just sucks that

533
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 2: he gets injured and shit like that. But I think

534
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 2: that they run it back with what they got.

535
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Speaker 1: I think they end up what this ends up ends

536
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 1: up being, is they just push everything back of the

537
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,239
Speaker 1: year and that we're in the same situation. I think

538
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: they're in the same exact situation next year.

539
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. I would just find it would just be a

540
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 2: shame that this coach that's seventeen and seventeen after two

541
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 2: years with awful quarterback play. I would say at times

542
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,400
Speaker 2: it's been average, but more more or less awful quarterback

543
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 2: play with a defensive coordinator that seems like it was

544
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 2: forced upon him. It would be a shame if that

545
00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 2: coach is fired after two years.

546
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Speaker 1: I agree, listen, I agree with that point of it,

547
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 1: but it's time. It's time for a reset, because what

548
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: they're doing is they're just pushing this back a year

549
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 1: like they're not again Chris Ballat. I don't think it's

550
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 1: done a horrible job, but he certainly isn't. This team

551
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: that's brimming with talent, and it's just, oh my god,

552
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 1: it needs to be harnessed or we need to get

553
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 1: the quarterback. I think it's a really good offensive play

554
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: caller with some good offensive talent, no quarterback, and a

555
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:30,199
Speaker 1: defense with a to me which is clearly lacking a

556
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: lot of talent. I also think they made he made

557
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: a horrible decision by taking law too as the first

558
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: defensive player off the board in this most recent draft,

559
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 1: when I thought Jared Vers was a clearly better player.

560
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,679
Speaker 1: They could have added Kenyon Mitchell if they wanted to

561
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,919
Speaker 1: go dB, and they went for the older, you know,

562
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: injury prone cross chop edge who can be a solid

563
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 1: player and I think will be, but not going to

564
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: be the impact that those guys are. So I think

565
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 1: it's time for a change to the other one. The

566
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,119
Speaker 1: Patriots and Raiders both would be one and done's with

567
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 1: Jerrod Mayo and Antonio Appears. And I'll say this with

568
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: Antonio appears, He's four and twelve this year, five and

569
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: fours as an interim head coach last year. I think

570
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 1: he's had missteps along the way. I mean had the

571
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 1: fire basically his entire offensive staff middle of the year,

572
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 1: and then bringing the Turner Northern Scott Turner. I'm not

573
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: pulling the plug on this yet. I think if you

574
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: hired this guy this this team lacks so much talent.

575
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: We said it last year. It's like they are relying

576
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,959
Speaker 1: so much on defensive coaching that that's just hard to do.

577
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: And then offensively like they just they have a terrible

578
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: quarterback situation. I'm not pulling the plug on this. I'd

579
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: at least at least like to see him. Maybe you

580
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: keep the Turners here for next year, figure out what

581
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,199
Speaker 1: you're gonna do at quarterback, and you know, and just

582
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,679
Speaker 1: continue that talent. Right. You added Brock Bauers last year,

583
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 1: we went best best player available. A lot of people

584
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: probably mocked that, and guess what you've got to me

585
00:27:55,640 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 1: the best rookie performance of the year. So continue to

586
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:06,360
Speaker 1: attack the draft with the best player available mindset, and

587
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: you give Antonio Peers in this staff another year, I

588
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,479
Speaker 1: think it'd be a shame for the roster with this

589
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: talent to pull the plug on the head coach because

590
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: I don't think there's I don't think there's many head

591
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: coaches who get this team more than five six wins.

592
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are some pros and cons of Antonio Pierce.

593
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 2: I think the biggest con is that there just may

594
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 2: be better upgrades out there. There may be better upgrades

595
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 2: that want to come to the Las Vegas Raiders.

596
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 1: I agree, but then you shouldn't have. You shouldn't have

597
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: bought into the interim head coach hiring thing last year,

598
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: which again I don't think they should have, but if

599
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: you did, you need to at least stick that through

600
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: this through two years.

601
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 2: Another con is that even though after he fired the

602
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 2: offense coordinator, the quarterback coach, and the offensive line coach,

603
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 2: the offense did get better. Scott Turner his offense coordinators

604
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 2: a pseudo worked. I mean, you know, you with with

605
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 2: with the quarterback play, with the offensive line play. The

606
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 2: run game has been horrible to kind of start the year.

607
00:28:58,240 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 2: It's gotten a little bit better with the mirr Abdula.

608
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 2: Out of all people shout out Nebraska, you know, so

609
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 2: I guess you could say, well, it's good consolation that

610
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 2: the kind of the people that he brought in in

611
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 2: the second half got a little bit better. But also

612
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 2: now those are three very important positions that he now

613
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 2: needs to find, and you know, getting a staff together

614
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 2: as a head coach is a very important thing. But

615
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 2: the pros for Antonio Piers, I think Mark Davis may

616
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 2: be tired of the constant turnover a ton of head coaches.

617
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 2: In a span of a decade. There were thirteen players

618
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 2: on IR and a good amount of them were contributes,

619
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 2: especially on the defensive side of the ball. So that's

620
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 2: I think he stays. I would put his seat as warm.

621
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 2: Players have kind of showed up for him and played well,

622
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 2: and I do think I just think that I do

623
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 2: think that by this time next year, Antonio Peers is

624
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 2: going to be fired. That's kind of why I would

625
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 2: just kind of do it now. But you did kind

626
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 2: of make your bed. They may lie in it.

627
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: But I think Antonio Piers can work as an NFLI

628
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: head cards. This isn't someone I think is totally He's

629
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: made mistakes along the way, right, some immaturity early in

630
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: the season with the whole Devonte Adams part of this,

631
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: But I think he is trying to build a culture there,

632
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: and like, you can't give him a roster that's just

633
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: not talented, And then like, well, why didn't you do

634
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: more than this? Like if they had won one to

635
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: two games, which this roster was capable of winning one

636
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: two games, then maybe maybe you're there. But I'm giving

637
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: Antonio Pierce another year now. Another guy who I'm not

638
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: going to give another year is the Patriots and girod

639
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: Mayo worst record in the NFL three and thirteen. The

640
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: other part of this is that they don't have a

641
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: true GM, even though Elliott Wolf is their de facto GM.

642
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: But this organization needs a reset. Okay, they are too

643
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,479
Speaker 1: reliant on the crafts. The crafts are smelling themselves, and

644
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: they have hired puppets for them. You know, girod Mao

645
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: has clearly been that for them. You know, they didn't

646
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: do a coaching search, they just hired him, you know,

647
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: the day or whatever after they Bill Belichick was gone.

648
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: I hate one and done. But this defense has fallen

649
00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: off without Bills, which was something that people try to

650
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: just write in like, well, the Patriots had a good defense.

651
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: Well they're also losing the greatest defensive mind the NFL

652
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: has ever seen the best head coach of all time

653
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: and Bill Belichick, Uh, he doesn't handle the day to

654
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: day stuff well at all. I think he hasn't built

655
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: a good culture. I think he's thrown people under the bus.

656
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: And when you have a guy like Drake may you

657
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: need the offensive coach to go with him. I'm out

658
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: on Draw Mayo. I think he should be a one

659
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,719
Speaker 1: and done. And you talk about Antonio Pierce, maybe not

660
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: should be the hired last year, Fine, but at least

661
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: you had something to go off with it. Draw Mayo was.

662
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: We didn't. We didn't even look at other candidates. We

663
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: just we just hired him and didn't even think about

664
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: hiring anybody else because we thought this was a you know,

665
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: plan and waiting type thing. So yeah, I want you

666
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: Mayo out there. I think New England deserves a lot better.

667
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: But I also think the Crafts need to stop smelling

668
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: themselves and realize they're not the reason for all those

669
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: championships and they need to put someone in place who's

670
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 1: going to run everything. There.

671
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 2: Vibes are weird there, you know, with the whole Then

672
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 2: this is the second time or this has happened this

673
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 2: year where there's pregame reports of and I think the

674
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 2: first time this happened it was the Dolphins game where

675
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 2: the Patriots were home playing the Dolphins. Ramadre Stevenson is

676
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 2: being bench for Antonio Gibson. Okay, Ramadre Stevenson then goes

677
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 2: out against the Dolphins and has a great game and

678
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 2: has more carries and more touches. We here on NFL

679
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 2: Network this past Sunday were with our own very own

680
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 2: Chris Rose. Antonio Gibson's going to get the start, first

681
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 2: couple of plays of the game. Romadre Stevenson's getting the ball.

682
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 2: What's going on? What's going on? Grod Mayo after the

683
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 2: game is asked about it. Coach's decision. Bro, you're the coach, man,

684
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 2: Like you're the coach, how was gonna at your explanation?

685
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 2: Coach's decision? And like you're the coach, you don't have

686
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 2: anything to say on it. We were there in training

687
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 2: camp to Bobby and I kind of hate to use this.

688
00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 2: Practices were horrible. They got very little accomplish There is

689
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 2: a lot of standing around, and we were literally able

690
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 2: to compare it because they were having a joint practice

691
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 2: with the Eagles. So it's not like, Okay, this is

692
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 2: just what NFL teams do, you know, NFLPA the rules,

693
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. We're watching one team, the Philadelphia Eagles,

694
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 2: a good football team. Practice, be active, they're talking, they're communicating,

695
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 2: they're they're constantly drilling. There's constant coaching going on with

696
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 2: the coaches and players and bah blah blah. And then

697
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 2: we see the Patriots on the other side and they're

698
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 2: standing around. They're standing around, And compare that to our giants,

699
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 2: which we see every year. We think Brian Dable, If

700
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 2: Brian Dable runs a country club practice, I don't know

701
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 2: what Geron Mao runs. And then whenever they make a mistake,

702
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 2: he has them running laps for fifteen minutes, which takes

703
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 2: away from the practice time that you only get an

704
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 2: hour and a half every day anyway. So, yeah, the

705
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 2: vibes are weird there. Obviously, if you're hey, if you're

706
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 2: gonna say the talent's not good for the for the

707
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 2: Las Vegas Raiders, the talent is certainly not good.

708
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: But it's better and they've resigned a lot of those

709
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: defensive players they've resigned, you know, and we're not going

710
00:33:58,960 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: the talent's.

711
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 2: Better defensive maybe maybe in new way it is better.

712
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: And again it's guys that they resigned. We're not talking

713
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: about guys who are maybe a little better, but they're here,

714
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: Like they resigned half that defense before the season. I

715
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: know they lost bear more and but you know they yeah,

716
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: they traded Judah, but they got Gonzalez back, who's a

717
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: real deal corner like that, that team is a better

718
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: team with Belichick and and having may But again.

719
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 2: Their problems also extend way past Drawd Mayo because this

720
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 2: year's they showed this year's draft class like side by side,

721
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 2: but the Chargers draft class, and and you know, think

722
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 2: of how barren that Chargers roster was. And they even

723
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 2: showed that trade where the Lodd mcconkee trade where it's like,

724
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 2: oh my god, and it was trade they did the

725
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,439
Speaker 2: trade with the Patriots where it was like, oh my god,

726
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 2: like this is.

727
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: This is a horrible, horrible.

728
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 2: Draft class that you just produced outside of Drake may horrible.

729
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and just a horrible planet offensive line going into

730
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: the season. Uh Now, I think the Patriots are a

731
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: team that should be trying to make a run at

732
00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson as well too.

733
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 2: No way he would want to know why not.

734
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 1: Why not come in there with the new GM. They again, they.

735
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:06,720
Speaker 2: They're not going to get a new GM.

736
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: But I think that's a mistake on their on there.

737
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: They're not because because I think they have enough to

738
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: They're gonna have the there's the most look of the

739
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 1: first overall pick that they could they could have Drake

740
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: May maybe either the best player in the draft or

741
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: you know, multiple picks. I think that's a spot that

742
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: I can get them. So any so we hit Warm, Lukewarm,

743
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,439
Speaker 1: I got the Browns and Cowboys. Who do you got?

744
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 2: Yeah? So I again, I put Lukewarm as Shane Stiken

745
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 2: and Chris Ballard. I only had two. I only had

746
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 2: two names as my Warm, which was the Raiders and

747
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 2: the Pats. So my Lukewarm, I have three more people.

748
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 2: I have Mike McCarthy, I have Kevin Stefanski and Andrew

749
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 2: Berry kind of like that package deal in Cleveland there

750
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 2: head coaching GM, and I also have Todd Bowls and

751
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,800
Speaker 2: we'll talk about that. But where do you want to start?

752
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: I want to talk about the Cowboys. They shouldn't fire

753
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy, correct, I mean you went seven to nine

754
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 1: this year, missing Dak you didn't add any talent this offseason.

755
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: You went twelve and five three years in a row.

756
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: You didn't fire them after last year's playoff debacle. You

757
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: lost Dan Quinn, the defense was injured all year. I

758
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: think he's done a pretty bang up job with that

759
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: what he was dealt with this year.

760
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 2: I want to check where they are defensively in EPA

761
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 2: per play because because Ron Rivera seems like a decent

762
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 2: higher they're they're twenty eighth, but they're yeah, they're they're

763
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 2: they're so bad personnel life there. Oh what did I say, Mike,

764
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,479
Speaker 2: Mike Zimmer, That's what I'm sorry, Excuse me, Yeah, twenty

765
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 2: eighth and EPA per play, but they're all it's their

766
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 2: Their past defense is actually decent, above average. They're just

767
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 2: so bad run defense wise, But I think that's a

768
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 2: personnel issue. I don't know. I'm not necessarily going to

769
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 2: really put all of them on make zimber. They're just

770
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 2: so bad interior. You know, they lost Michael park Is

771
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,280
Speaker 2: for a good Man of the Year. Their interior defensive

772
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 2: line is horrible. Mozzie Smith is a complete bust. Their

773
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,439
Speaker 2: linebacker situation has not been great. I think they've lost

774
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 2: to marve On overshown to another season ending injury when

775
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 2: he was having a solid year. So yeah, that personnelage

776
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 2: just really, really bad. So the only case, the only

777
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 2: case in which I see Mike McCarthy maybe leaving, And

778
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 2: you brought this up, but I don't think. I think

779
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 2: Jerry Jones is loyal and sometimes loyal to a fault, right.

780
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 2: The only case in which Mike McCarthy leaves is if

781
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 2: there is another sexy name that comes in and you've

782
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 2: talked about this, Bobby.

783
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,240
Speaker 1: I thought they were going to be the Bill spot.

784
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: I wanted Bill. I wanted Bill there. Once Bill went

785
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: off the market, I said, doubt Cowboys, SA.

786
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 2: Bill's not off the market. Bill Belichick is not off

787
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 2: the market.

788
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: He has eight million dollar buyout.

789
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 2: He doesn't want to be in un sing. He wants

790
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 2: a son to get that UNC job. That's what he wants.

791
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,240
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick wants to be in the NFL. I cannot

792
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 2: see Bill Belichick sitting in a seventeen and eighteen year

793
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 2: old house in doing this a lot.

794
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: I don't know why everyone says that acts like Bill

795
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 1: Belichick doesn't like the grimy parts of the jobs. The

796
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 1: guy in his off here took ten media jobs and

797
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: the guy had no interest in doing media when he

798
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: was a coach.

799
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 2: Okay, that's different.

800
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: That's so here's the thing is let Bill go and

801
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 1: you and that's I think it's another reason why to

802
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 1: keep McCarthy go again next year if Bill wants, if

803
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: you want to buy out Bill at that point, then

804
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: you can move off of McCarthy. But unless you know that,

805
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: they're what what else did you want Mike McCarthy to

806
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,800
Speaker 1: do with all the circumstances he was done with this year.

807
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 2: And they fought and they didn't you know, they fought

808
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 2: and Dak went down and they started winning more games

809
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 2: and started the Ceedee Lamb is still banged up in

810
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,399
Speaker 2: the running back situation is terrible. Yeah, So that's why

811
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 2: I put him as as lukewarm. Were originally a couple

812
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,919
Speaker 2: of weeks ago or even earlier, earlier in the season,

813
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,919
Speaker 2: he's warm or even red hot, but now he's down

814
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 2: to luke warm. I I just don't think there's enough buzz.

815
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 2: I know, his contracts up, so they need to negotiate

816
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 2: a contract no matter what. But I think that's going

817
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 2: to be more or less on does Mike McCarthy want

818
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 2: to come back because I think Jerry Jones would want

819
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 2: him to come back, right, And if you're Mike McCarthy,

820
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 2: where else do you want to go?

821
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: Noh, Mike McCarthy's not going to It's either Mike McCarthy

822
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: gets fired.

823
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 2: Or were Likeking retires. He's not going to retire.

824
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, not fired, but like intentionally the boys just said

825
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: I'd go away. Yeah, all right, let's see what else

826
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: the Browns. Here's the thing with the Browns. Stefanasy has

827
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: been forty and forty three as a head coach, two

828
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: winning seasons in a playoff win that goes a long

829
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: way in Cleveland. The Deshaun Watson contract and acquisition is

830
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: the worst decision ever made in NFL history. Yes, but

831
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 1: here's the issue is I'm actually making them live with

832
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: it for a little bit because you have to deal

833
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 1: with this for the next two years. So like that's

834
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: what's going to be sexy about this job, to come

835
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 1: and deal with it. Well, you got to deal with

836
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: this Deshaun Watson contract for two years.

837
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 2: After covering the Browns knowing that, Oh I'm knowing that.

838
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, be it terrible. So I'm I'm just keeping them

839
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: for another year just because it's like, I'm making you

840
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: you two live with this that sucks man.

841
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 2: That like if if I'm a Browns fan and like,

842
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 2: and I feel like as just an NFL fan, anybody

843
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 2: that had anything to do with that Deshaun Watson decision

844
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 2: needs to be fired because I don't care. I don't

845
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 2: care the roster that you've built, I don't care what

846
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 2: your past success is. I'm even mad at Kevin Stefanski

847
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 2: from going away from his identity as a head coach

848
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 2: where he used to be. We're gonna, you know, he

849
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 2: used to be almost like forty nine ers in Baltimore Ravens.

850
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 2: If we're gonna run the damn ball and we're gonna

851
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 2: be aggressive, and that's what that's our identity. And then

852
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 2: they trade for Watson and it's like, all right, well

853
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 2: now we're now we're an eleven personnel team and we're

854
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 2: gonna take away any any kind of foundational identity that

855
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:43,959
Speaker 2: we had as a team. We're taking it away now,

856
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 2: all for this guy who sucks. So I want anybody

857
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 2: who was associated with that decision, I want them fired.

858
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: But me too, But like I said, I'm kind of

859
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 1: punishing them by making them live with that.

860
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and what is the new guy gonna do? What

861
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Speaker 2: is a new guy gonna come in and do? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you gotta live with it for another year.

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Speaker 1: And you do with like what the Texans did, where

864
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Speaker 1: you get a GM like, hey, this is a five

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Speaker 1: year plan. Let's get a David Coley Lovey Smith type

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Speaker 1: head coach to deal with this for two years and

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Speaker 1: then well, if it's if he surprised us sick. If not,

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Speaker 1: we'll fire him and then you'll get a head coaching

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Speaker 1: higher man. But even then, like, I'm just kind of

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Speaker 1: making them live with this. Uh cool, what I didn't

871
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Speaker 1: put any whoa whoa go ahead?

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Speaker 2: We got to talk about Todd Bowles, and it's very

873
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Speaker 2: simple for me. I like Todd Bowles. I think he's

874
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Speaker 2: actually done a very good job of even when Dave

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Speaker 2: Canalis left this past.

876
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Speaker 1: Year, I think he's better than Dave Canalis.

877
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Speaker 2: Hired an offense coordinator who i've Liam Cohen, who I

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Speaker 2: view as better than Dave Canals, even though Canals is

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Speaker 2: doing a good job in Carolina. But a guy that's

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Speaker 2: better than Dave Canalis because he has a run game

881
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Speaker 2: that's better and you know, helping out Baker Mayfield on

882
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Speaker 2: early downs and Liam Cohen's done a really good job

883
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Speaker 2: of dealing with adversity when it comes to injuries on

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Speaker 2: his offense, and Baker continues to look good. So if

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Speaker 2: you don't want to lose Liam Cohen, which I you know,

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Speaker 2: maybe you could trust Todd Bowles and you you were

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Speaker 2: mentioned to me before the show that Bruce Arians is

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Speaker 2: still like in that front office.

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Speaker 1: Yeah they're not. They're not doing that if Bruce Arians

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Speaker 1: is still working there.

891
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Speaker 2: But you know, just plucking these you can't offensive coordinators

892
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Speaker 2: like this don't necessarily just grow on trees. Do they

893
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Speaker 2: make the decision to let Todd Bowles go because you

894
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Speaker 2: don't want to lose Liam Collen.

895
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Speaker 1: They did that. This same GM did that Jason Lake

896
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Speaker 1: with fired Lovey Smith and kept Dirt Cutter and upgraded

897
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Speaker 1: him after James's rookie year. I don't think it's the

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Speaker 1: worst thing in the world, but this just it's just

899
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Speaker 1: not gonna happen. It's not gonna happen with Bruce Arians

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Speaker 1: being a part of that organization. And if they don't

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Speaker 1: collapse this week, they're going to be in the playoffs.

902
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Speaker 1: And I think they're a team that can be free

903
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Speaker 1: and they're just not gonna They're not gonna do it.

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Speaker 2: If they have a first round exit in the playoffs, No,

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Speaker 2: I don't think so. And their defense gives up thirty

906
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Speaker 2: five points and they score thirty two points against U

907
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Speaker 2: the Vikings of the Lions or whatever team, well, they

908
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Speaker 2: would be a division winner still playing a wild card team.

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Speaker 1: Not happening with Bruce Arians in that building.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we'll say that that's the the really the only

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Speaker 2: name on this list out of everybody that we're talking about,

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Speaker 2: like everybody everybody expected us to talk about Shane Styke

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Speaker 2: and Mike McCarthy, Gerrodmeo and you know, Doug Peterson out

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Speaker 2: of all, Like, I think that's the that's the most

915
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Speaker 2: interesting name. Like, oh, I never thought of that. That

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Speaker 2: a lout of all the names that we talked about.

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Speaker 2: So all right, cool, I'm gonna be quick about this.

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Speaker 2: Like I think I already mentioned this. I think Zach Taylor,

919
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Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahan, and I'm also putting Brian Callahan's name in this.

920
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Speaker 2: I think their jobs are safe. I don't think Callahan's

921
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Speaker 2: gonna be a one and done. I really don't. I

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Speaker 2: don't buy into Kyle Shanahan his job being a jeopardy

923
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Speaker 2: in San fran even if there is some discontent there,

924
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Speaker 2: I think him and John Lynch will just work together

925
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Speaker 2: too well. And then Zach Taylor, I don't know what

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Speaker 2: they're gonna do. Like I was, I have some Bengals

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Speaker 2: fans of my replies, which I'm surprised to see that

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Speaker 2: I have Bengals fans of my replies saying that Zach

929
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Speaker 2: Taylor does don't want to get rid of Luin and Rumo.

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Speaker 2: I think you kind of have to at this point.

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Speaker 2: So but I think there's their jobs are safe.

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Speaker 1: Ah, all right, that's an episode that was football. We'll

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Speaker 1: see you on Friday for a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: little bit of preview show. Thank you all for listening.

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Speaker 1: Hope you have a happy new Year. We'll see you then.

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Speaker 1: Until then, this is Football Today.