WEBVTT - Conversations About Make Believe vs. Marketing 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:04.440 Watch up and welcome back to another episode of No 0:00:04.519 --> 0:00:07.480 Sealers Podcast with your hosts now fuck that with your 0:00:07.560 --> 0:00:16.800 loaw glasses Malone. So give me your thesis on Rick 0:00:16.880 --> 0:00:19.600 Ross again and hip hop. But give me Ross. Look Ross, 0:00:19.920 --> 0:00:23.400 let me prefix this. Ross is my guy. He's always 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:26.960 been a stand up man. But again, when we have 0:00:27.040 --> 0:00:30.840 in these conversations, these conversations be rooted and you know, 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:34.440 pursuing a different level of truth and and really just 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:38.199 inspiration for everybody else, kind of setting a platform. So 0:00:38.240 --> 0:00:43.879 even if the conversations could come across a little unfavorable, 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:47.720 it doesn't change that people are still who they are 0:00:47.760 --> 0:00:50.280 and it doesn't negate their talent. So I just that's 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:50.960 my disclaimer. 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:53.599 And I don't even think for me, I don't I 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:55.160 wasn't gonna come in that direction. 0:00:55.720 --> 0:00:55.920 You know. 0:00:56.200 --> 0:01:01.600 I think that he's, you know, the illustration of a 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:06.520 case study for a model that's probably fairly common in 0:01:06.560 --> 0:01:10.720 the space. I think where Ross is fine is that 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:19.000 Ross didn't say anything that you should have believed anyway. 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:23.040 I mean like he went out of his way to 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:28.560 tell a story that was not plausibly believable, if not 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:31.720 for any other reason than his age. He was hanging 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:34.280 out with Noriega. When was it he was four years old? 0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:37.000 What are we talking about? You know, it's a lot 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:39.880 different than coming out and saying like, yeah, I was 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:42.000 up and down slosson and not from such and such 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:42.600 and this, like. 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:43.760 That's very specific. 0:01:45.120 --> 0:01:48.560 It would be believable that somebody might come out tomorrow 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:51.400 and do a song suggesting that and saying that, who's 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:55.400 actually done it? And if someone didn't do it, like now, 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:58.680 you're using real characters in real time to sell a lie. 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:04.200 He told what was clearly a story that didn't exploit 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:06.720 or take advantage of specific people. 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:08.280 By and large. 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:13.120 I mean, yeah, he moved six billion dollars in their 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:15.919 scale powder all over South Man, the fuck out of here. 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:17.480 Come on, and you just by the time you were 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:20.120 twenty two years old and or whatever the fucking decided. 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:20.560 To start rapping. 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:23.160 Come on, yeah, come on. 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:28.680 I think that that there's some consideration for that versus 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:29.919 some other people. 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:32.880 Like you don't think to some level, it's still like 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:35.480 him putting on for the culture of. 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:40.280 Okay, it's taking advantage of the of. 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:49.480 That you know, vertical, you know, of cocaine selling and 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:52.720 of everything that happened in the city of Miami. But 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:54.280 you know there's you can just make just as much 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:58.760 of the case growing up it's surrounding for damaged just 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:02.919 as much growing up through that as you know from 0:03:02.960 --> 0:03:04.799 the result of it what was going on around him. 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:06.280 So it's not like he owed it to these people. 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:09.520 Those people probably fucked up his neighborhood badly enough as 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:12.920 it was. Is it feel I'll say in the post, 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:15.320 like say Gez, for example, I don't know, Jeez. I 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:18.520 know there's been some you know, pimpsy call him out 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:21.120 about this and that and all these other things or whatever. 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:26.680 So hypothetically a guy like Jez coming out and saying 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:29.840 things that are specific. You're talking about zips, you're talking 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:32.160 about single packs and all this kind of stuff that 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:36.000 you would be doing plausibly if you weren't doing that 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:39.200 and you sold it like you just stopped doing it yesterday. 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:41.240 That to me is different than saying I was up 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:43.920 in Panama on Columbia and I was seventeen years old 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:44.880 and da da da da dah. 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:48.000 That's just different to me. But you don't think that's 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:51.440 the same thing. One is just elevating kind of the idea. 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:55.200 Okay, let's get different because one one you're obviously Ernest 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:59.440 Hemingway and the other one you're writing an autobiography about 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:01.880 a person that isn't you and putting your face on 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:06.760 the cover of the book. Rick Ross is a lot 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:12.320 closer to Ernest Hemingway than John Gotto or something like 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:12.600 you know. 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:13.160 What I'm saying. 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:20.760 Sure, okay, but man, because hip hop, hip hop did 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:24.320 start off as okay, you have the culture right. And 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:26.240 this is the confusing part because even when you had 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:29.080 the conversations with different people like I see a word 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:31.160 me and my niece, shout out to my niece DJNA, 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:33.800 follow her on Twitter, piece of names. She's really dope, 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:36.800 smart telling end I'm so proud of this kid. But 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:43.960 hip hop was always the culture, right, and then the 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:49.240 artist expressing said culture, sure, right, and most artists like 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:52.200 even the Ice Q Right who was successful at sixteen, 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:54.840 seventeen years old, he writes a smashit record for easy 0:04:55.080 --> 0:04:57.200 you know, Boys in the Hood seventy eighteen years old, 0:04:57.320 --> 0:05:00.839 so obviously he probably wasn't out here so Rocks or 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:03.920 his summer vacation when he made my summer vacation. It's 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:06.920 a very much a first person told story, but I 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:09.359 think we all knew he was representing the journey of 0:05:09.400 --> 0:05:11.919 people from out of that section or maybe even in 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:15.800 LA in general. You hear my summer vacation, and that 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:16.479 was true in the. 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:21.279 Time, even like talking about Vegacy and nice Tea speaking 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:21.880 a while ago. 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:24.200 Sure cop Killer. 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:27.880 Wasn't him killing cops. Sure it's pretty obvious, you know, 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:32.600 But when does it separate? When does it separate from 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:36.000 the origin of hip hop? Right, the the artist being a. 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:39.920 Like like a reporter to the rest of the world 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:43.400 about the culture that they were born in, to Rick 0:05:43.520 --> 0:05:45.960 Ross where it's like, you know, he was talking about 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:48.920 the boobie Boys. He was talking about Burt convertible Burt 0:05:48.960 --> 0:05:51.719 and all of the legendary names I heard in Miami, 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:56.560 you know, d boy lifestyle. And I agree that it's 0:05:56.560 --> 0:06:00.839 fair to say that he makes a little movie magic right, 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:04.200 minus the Norier and all of the because those are 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:08.400 like to me, like MC, like MC's when they're trying 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:10.719 to get you to get a point, they overdo it 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:12.760 till you get it. So it's like, yeah, like I 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:15.120 want you to know I sell dope, but I need 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:18.039 to put it to somewhere that the average person who's 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:23.599 never touched, you know, a quarter piece some most of 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:26.840 these people never saw a nickel rock outside of a 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:30.240 picture on the computer. So he's trying to get them 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:34.920 to understand the journey, right of a Miami d boy, right, 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:37.960 and that journey, So he puts it on extra right, 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:41.320 no different than any other artists you know before that. 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:44.320 When does it separate and it start being too far 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:46.400 from the origin. 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:51.680 To me personally as a fan, yeah, just as an 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:57.960 observer when, like you said, ice Cube does a song, 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:00.839 ice Tea does a song, a guy does a song, 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:04.880 and it's you know, it's finite. It's a finite moment 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:10.640 versus you built this. This is your brand, This is 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:12.800 who you are, This is all of this stuff. If 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:14.640 your brand and who you are and all of. 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:16.800 This stuff is. 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:24.120 Too close, it is plausibly too close to reality not 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:32.880 to be you know, identified as a story that you're 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:37.360 not telling based off of your resume, then that's the 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:40.920 line to me, because now your whole brand and your 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:45.160 whole career is based off of a perceived personal credibility 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:46.520 that you don't have. 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:48.640 I don't. 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:52.640 I mean, I'm sure there were enough people who thought 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:55.880 Rick Ross really did sell five hundred birds a year. 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:57.240 Sure, his name is Rick Roak. 0:07:57.600 --> 0:08:01.960 Yeah. 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:05.560 To me, he definitely put it into a place where 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:10.240 he couldn't lose. Okay, if marketing first off, no Ceilings, 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:15.240 this is the no Ceilings podcast. Gl Pete is in 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:18.760 California for this podcast. I couldn't get the cameras up 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:21.160 and running, so we didn't take it. But the conversation 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:22.600 is everything in podcasting. 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:24.960 But as long as we say that I'm in California, 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:28.240 that allows us to say I'm in California routinely with 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:30.560 no cameras and no one will no, I'll be to 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:34.600 Rick Ross of geography, oh man anyway. 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:41.400 So I'm saying right, he's still just covering kind of 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:44.000 the experience. And I agree. So you feel like in 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:50.320 other artists you get more of them, like like and 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:57.480 who's to say, like I got listen. I in my mind, 0:08:57.480 --> 0:09:00.600 I've never been critical of Ross, right, but I have 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:04.400 said things that were a bit honest, you know, when 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:07.760 somebody's asking me about my journey, Like I talked to 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:09.880 Charlotte Mane on the Breakfast Club. Y'all go check that out. 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:13.840 It was an interview from twenty to nineteen. Really dope, conversation. 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:16.400 We was talking about twupac months die and I told 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:19.520 him that I felt forced to be more honest and 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:24.040 transparent with the experiences of Los Angeles street urban culture 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:28.280 because of artists like Rick Ross right where he was 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:31.559 like he put it on so thick, so the average 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:36.400 everyday person could see the image, right because I actually 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:38.840 sold dope right in high school. I so dope, like 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:42.560 I actually touched birds, like I've actually, you know, had 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:45.680 a key load too, I've actually had gallons of PCP. 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:49.439 Like these are not things as far. But again, if 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:52.840 you tell people that it's hard for the average person 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:56.640 who's not around and remember hip hop is this very 0:09:57.240 --> 0:09:59.720 you know, ghetto or street urban culture is a very 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:02.800 small place a spec in America. It's not like it's 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:05.080 a lot of ghettos in America. That's the confusion, as 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:08.160 people believe there's a lot of ghettos in America and 0:10:08.160 --> 0:10:11.400 they're not. I mean, there's only a handful. And that's 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:13.040 what it makes somebody like you, you know, when you 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:14.920 come to watch and you come to where we're from, 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:18.319 is you could tell like this shit is really it's 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:22.320 a regular community, but this is real. So when when 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:24.880 I look at somebody like like Rose right, and and 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:30.520 he's trying to paint the image of Miami drug dealer. 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:33.280 But and this is the brilliance of what he does 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:34.920 as a marketing person. Go ahead, I'm. 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:37.520 Sorry, No, I was gonna say, I think that, really, 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:43.440 maybe we're missing all of what Rick's whole thing is. 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:46.080 I would step back and look at the totality of 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:49.920 his career. He's selling opulent consumption. 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:53.400 Go further, opulent consumption. 0:10:54.400 --> 0:11:00.640 His he's really really selling a lust for money and 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:04.280 expensive ship. In the first album, there was a lot 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:06.440 of It was a lot of how'd I get how 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:08.080 would you have the money, how would you know a 0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:09.599 person with this kind of money spend it? 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:14.560 Or whatnot. It's really a lot about Maybach music. 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:14.720 He did. 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:19.280 He didn't call it fish scale music. Go to Maybock, sure. 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:23.200 And it was about cars and speeding and the boats. 0:11:22.880 --> 0:11:24.760 And the and the perception of wealth. 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:29.160 Yeah, and and and he kind of graduated, or at 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:34.000 least gradually drifted away from talking about I did all 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:37.480 this drug dealing to spend all this money to just. 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:39.720 I'm just buying all this shit all time. 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:42.040 That's where the albums or. 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:44.079 He's just talking about all the crap is buying. 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:49.640 And I agree, but even to the motherfucking marketing mind 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:52.200 of what he's doing, you know, I'm lending this thought 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:56.360 to the marketing mind. He understood something that I didn't understood. 0:11:56.400 --> 0:12:01.040 He understood most people have no idea about dope dyling. 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:04.480 Because I agree. Ross's goal was to sell wealth. He 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:07.640 always painted it from the beginning to the end. Now 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:09.160 to the place where he don't even have to talk 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:12.880 about selling dope. He can just talk about wealth. Yeah, right, 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:16.600 But he was saying, hey, this person, the reason I 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:20.520 have wealth is because of this lifestyle, this street urban 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:24.200 culture that Miami made famous. And he knew most people 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:27.120 didn't have any ideas of what it is. So he 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:32.680 painted the people. He connected most people who never had 0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:37.040 any experience and said culture. He gave them points to 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:39.920 where they can get into what he was saying. Because 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:42.599 he did say he knew nord Riega. Because if he 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:45.720 says he knew Rayful, you know, if he knew Rayful Edmunds, 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:48.719 they wouldn't know who that is. If he said he 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:54.920 knew who was the first King Zoe or whatever Waterhead 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:57.920 bowl Waterhead Bowl out here, or if you knew little 0:12:57.960 --> 0:13:00.439 Daryl in the Bay. People wouldn't know who that that is. 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:05.520 He knew that they would know who Norie is because 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:09.840 most Americans have heard that person's name because the government 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:15.120 pursued him. He also dressed like the movie idea of 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:19.240 drug dealing, like the Colombian guys in the film Scarface, 0:13:19.280 --> 0:13:20.440 whereas Lenen and. 0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:24.760 That's not how he used the Scarface track beat. 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:27.120 Just like Jesu Jesu. If you listen to TM one 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:29.040 on one. I was saying it the other day, like 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:34.000 it's probably one of the top five greatest albums out 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:36.720 of the South. But I never realized how fucking Cornea 0:13:36.960 --> 0:13:40.680 was until recently because I heard all of the Scarface 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:42.840 inn window and I didn't pick because I never saw 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:47.120 that movie. But you know when I kind of over 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:49.280 that time since it first came out to now I've 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:52.800 seen little parts on YouTube. Obviously YouTube is the thing Instagram, 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:55.040 so you see clips and now you're starting to kind 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:58.080 of be a little bit more familiar. Even though nothing 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:01.400 has demanded for me to watch the film, right it's like, 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:04.920 nothing really about it seems interesting to me still right now, 0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:07.960 but listening to those parts and now when I listen 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:10.360 to tam one O one you know, Jeezy and them 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:14.719 sonically did the same thing Ross did you know, and 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:18.680 Ross just painted it, you know, in a way to 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:21.520 where more people could be like, oh, I see what 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:26.000 he's about. Like the story was a lot more consumable 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:28.400 for mainstream America, even if not for us, because I 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:31.360 don't think I ever cared if he actually so dope 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:33.240 at I don't think I ever even started off thinking 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:36.080 like he's so dope. Honestly, I don't think that was 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:39.120 my thought when I first heard hustling. Hustling always felt 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:42.080 like I don't give a fuck if you got a 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:44.800 carpet cleaning business, you hustling. You know, That's the feel 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:50.680 it always gave me. So I think he had that 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:53.480 part right, you know what I mean, Because like, as 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:56.840 somebody like Iced Tea always tell me, like whenever we talk, 0:14:56.880 --> 0:14:59.760 he like, man, you are so rich in culture, how 0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:01.520 you talk. Most people don't know what the fuck you're 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:04.800 talking about because you talk like everybody from where we're from. 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:08.320 And it hit me like the average person don't know 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:11.680 what the fuck I'm talking about. Like if I start 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:13.680 talking that shit and I'm like, yeah, two sticks for 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:16.080 two sticks for twenty. People don't know that I'm talking 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:21.960 about two cigarettes that have been submerged in PCP for 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:26.200 twenty dollars. You can get two cigarettes where the tobacco 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:29.840 the top of it has been submerged and the PCP 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:33.320 liquid for twenty dollars. Because when I talk, I just 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:38.200 say two sticks for a doug and ice cube. I 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:40.800 think was brilliant. And maybe that's because he went to 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:42.440 TAFF his high school time, you know what I mean, where 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:45.680 he understood how to translate things to people. That's not 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:46.560 where we're from. 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:47.840 We went to Paramount. 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:52.720 Yeah, but for some reason, Yeah, it's just not working 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:55.760 those shit I thought of it. I think Paramount helped 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:59.640 me speak. So when people hear me speak, they can say, 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:01.960 you know, you can hear the AP classes when I speak. 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:06.160 You can hear the soberness when I speak. I don't 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:08.160 think you can hear it in my wraps, in my 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:11.280 rap it sound like Nigga like crazy. 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:16.840 Yeah, And I mean if it's due TAFT high school 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:20.800 culturally on campus environment versus paramounts or pretty far. 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:23.880 And I had AP classes. But again also it could 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:25.800 be maybe who's. 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:29.080 Walking around the quad, who you interact with in the Hallway. 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:31.600 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know because I don't I don't, 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:33.480 I don't know. I know it's in the valley, so 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:40.320 it probably is. Uh, I've been by the yeah macan 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:47.560 them live out there, Happy birthday Mac mac ten. I 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:49.960 just don't know when is it right? Like when is 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:52.240 it too far? Like is it too is he going 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:54.560 too far? Like do we really say that the hip 0:16:54.560 --> 0:17:01.800 hop if if? Honestly, I think he's been punished, you 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:03.840 know what I mean, honestly, I think he's been punished. 0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:06.240 I think when people realize that he had a job 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:07.960 as a correctional officer. 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:14.280 That's that that is a little bit of a thing. 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:17.320 It's different than just having been like a janitor a 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:20.280 local office building or something that is a little. 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:24.080 Bit almost like the police or the police. So it's 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:27.240 like yeah, so it's like I think that was his point. 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:30.680 I think at that point, the culture that consumes hip 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:33.120 hop was like, you will never be the number one guy, 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:36.040 because I think his talent probably would have been worthy 0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:38.000 of a double triple quadruple. 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:42.840 Play yeah, and his timing there was everything kind of 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:44.080 triangulated pretty favorably. 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:48.280 So for him to not have that opportunity, I think 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:52.000 that was the culture punishing him for not being close 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:57.439 enough per se to the genuine article. Sure, sure, but 0:17:57.520 --> 0:18:00.119 I'm saying, when is it too far? Like like I 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:02.480 notice people say that about King Vaughn. I'm like, Vn, 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:05.640 King Vaughn is a gang member, like he got his ship. 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:07.879 But it's like he wasn't a rapper, he just started rapping. 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:12.919 I don't know, man, Like I just been thinking about that. 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:16.080 To me, the line. 0:18:18.240 --> 0:18:20.320 Like you we were saying before we started about like 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:23.200 what's worse lying or. 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:24.159 Telling on yourself? 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:25.680 If you want to look, if you want to get on, 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:28.359 if you if you put in the work and you 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:30.119 want to go, try to capitalize on it, because you 0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:31.800 don't make a lot of money doing it, but this 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:32.440 is your way to. 0:18:32.400 --> 0:18:33.480 Cash it out. 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:39.560 Go ahead, if it gets your ass in trouble. You 0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:41.439 those you three sixty, You did the work and did 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:44.640 the song, you got the trouble doesn't bother me one bit, 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:45.960 not even as a listener. 0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:49.120 I don't even believe in that snitching on yourself, if 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:51.840 you it's ridiculous to me. It's not that you can't 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:52.880 snitch on yourself. 0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:56.200 Yeah you can be you can take a calculated risk 0:18:56.240 --> 0:19:01.160 for the money or tear haphazard moro. 0:19:00.960 --> 0:19:04.679 On or take accountability. Yeah, there's not a lot. You 0:19:04.720 --> 0:19:08.080 can't snitch on yourself. There's no shame in admitting you 0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:09.000 did something wrong. 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:12.159 No, And to me, if that's that's all part of 0:19:12.200 --> 0:19:15.000 the risk and and the lifestyle. I don't mean like 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:18.400 the hip hop lifestyle. I mean like the outlaw lifestyle. 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:21.680 Most of the time you're doing it for money. Yeah, 0:19:21.720 --> 0:19:26.560 if you made ten thousand dollars or whatever net, you know, 0:19:26.720 --> 0:19:29.600 for the last three months doing all that shit, and 0:19:29.600 --> 0:19:32.320 that's not enough for you, and you have an opportunity 0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:36.240 to make a million dollars telling the story about it. 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:37.479 It's your fucking story. 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:42.639 It's only like this when it comes to black people 0:19:42.800 --> 0:19:47.439 and hip hop. Because you look at Francis Coppola. Nobody 0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:55.760 calls him stupid for making The Godfather. Yeah, nobody calls uh, well, 0:19:55.800 --> 0:19:58.080 they do be tripping on Edward James almost. They don't 0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:01.240 not really people over there, they just Edward James almost 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:04.160 what he did American Meeting, he had to actually deal 0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:05.600 with some real consequence. 0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:10.840 But again or people around him, Edward James almost. 0:20:10.240 --> 0:20:11.240 Wasn't telling his story. 0:20:11.720 --> 0:20:15.159 He wasn't telling he he got he got too close, 0:20:16.119 --> 0:20:20.560 you know, he got too close. Princetopher Copla didn't get 0:20:20.600 --> 0:20:23.639 too close, but France for a couple also. That was 0:20:23.680 --> 0:20:26.320 one thing that I recommend watching it. He spoke with 0:20:26.359 --> 0:20:29.800 the people he did like that. That Paramount single season 0:20:29.840 --> 0:20:32.800 series was very interesting. It was well made, it was 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:34.400 it was entertaining. It was a good little thing. 0:20:34.480 --> 0:20:38.000 I really don't like The Godfather, like I think it's 0:20:38.040 --> 0:20:42.200 shot like I think it's shot well, but I think 0:20:42.240 --> 0:20:45.719 it's just loan man. The story is and it's not 0:20:45.800 --> 0:20:48.240 like it's this fantastic story as much as it's a 0:20:48.280 --> 0:20:51.840 standard story for gangster rhythm. I prefer like, Oh Western 0:20:52.800 --> 0:20:54.720 really ain't into the mind, the only My move, the 0:20:54.720 --> 0:20:58.199 only My Man. Few movies I really like, I mean no, 0:20:58.280 --> 0:21:01.160 only say only because there's a few. Might Casino would 0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:02.399 probably be my favorite? 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:04.320 Yeah, right, Sino and. 0:21:04.320 --> 0:21:06.440 Good Fellas were done by the same guy, and that's 0:21:06.680 --> 0:21:07.840 who is that's a different. 0:21:07.640 --> 0:21:11.280 Guy, right, I don't know, because they were a lot 0:21:11.359 --> 0:21:13.120 more shinyer than they were. 0:21:13.600 --> 0:21:16.440 They were made more in a newer generation. 0:21:16.200 --> 0:21:19.080 Movie where there's a lot entertaining. 0:21:19.160 --> 0:21:19.880 Yeah. 0:21:19.480 --> 0:21:24.760 Yeah, The Godfather to me was more from an era 0:21:25.600 --> 0:21:29.000 like Gone with the Wind. That's a lot more about 0:21:29.080 --> 0:21:32.040 story and subtlety, a different world of cinema. 0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:34.600 And I don't even really like that that level of like. 0:21:34.640 --> 0:21:37.600 I don't even think I really like films that pre 0:21:37.720 --> 0:21:38.600 date the seventies. 0:21:39.240 --> 0:21:41.520 I understand why I don't really like. 0:21:41.760 --> 0:21:43.919 I don't think. I don't think I really have a like. 0:21:44.160 --> 0:21:46.920 I tried to enjoy the black sploitation films, but they 0:21:47.240 --> 0:21:51.080 are a bit like I've consumed three so far? Right, 0:21:51.480 --> 0:22:00.000 Dola miight the movie with? What's the movie? JD's Revenge? 0:22:00.520 --> 0:22:04.359 Jad's Revenge is doope? What's funny? Is my favorite film 0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:06.680 from that from If there is a film from that 0:22:06.760 --> 0:22:08.720 time period, and this film is probably a little later, 0:22:08.760 --> 0:22:12.760 it's probably like The Warriors. The Warriors would be probably 0:22:12.760 --> 0:22:17.080