Speaker 1: Watch up and welcome back to another episode of No
Speaker 1: Sealers Podcast with your hosts now fuck that with your
Speaker 1: loaw glasses Malone. So give me your thesis on Rick
Speaker 1: Ross again and hip hop. But give me Ross. Look Ross,
Speaker 1: let me prefix this. Ross is my guy. He's always
Speaker 1: been a stand up man. But again, when we have
Speaker 1: in these conversations, these conversations be rooted and you know,
Speaker 1: pursuing a different level of truth and and really just
Speaker 1: inspiration for everybody else, kind of setting a platform. So
Speaker 1: even if the conversations could come across a little unfavorable,
Speaker 1: it doesn't change that people are still who they are
Speaker 1: and it doesn't negate their talent. So I just that's
Speaker 1: my disclaimer.
Speaker 2: And I don't even think for me, I don't I
Speaker 2: wasn't gonna come in that direction.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I think that he's, you know, the illustration of a
Speaker 2: case study for a model that's probably fairly common in
Speaker 2: the space. I think where Ross is fine is that
Speaker 2: Ross didn't say anything that you should have believed anyway.
Speaker 2: I mean like he went out of his way to
Speaker 2: tell a story that was not plausibly believable, if not
Speaker 2: for any other reason than his age. He was hanging
Speaker 2: out with Noriega. When was it he was four years old?
Speaker 2: What are we talking about? You know, it's a lot
Speaker 2: different than coming out and saying like, yeah, I was
Speaker 2: up and down slosson and not from such and such
Speaker 2: and this, like.
Speaker 3: That's very specific.
Speaker 2: It would be believable that somebody might come out tomorrow
Speaker 2: and do a song suggesting that and saying that, who's
Speaker 2: actually done it? And if someone didn't do it, like now,
Speaker 2: you're using real characters in real time to sell a lie.
Speaker 2: He told what was clearly a story that didn't exploit
Speaker 2: or take advantage of specific people.
Speaker 3: By and large.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, he moved six billion dollars in their
Speaker 2: scale powder all over South Man, the fuck out of here.
Speaker 2: Come on, and you just by the time you were
Speaker 2: twenty two years old and or whatever the fucking decided.
Speaker 3: To start rapping.
Speaker 1: Come on, yeah, come on.
Speaker 2: I think that that there's some consideration for that versus
Speaker 2: some other people.
Speaker 1: Like you don't think to some level, it's still like
Speaker 1: him putting on for the culture of.
Speaker 3: Okay, it's taking advantage of the of.
Speaker 2: That you know, vertical, you know, of cocaine selling and
Speaker 2: of everything that happened in the city of Miami. But
Speaker 2: you know there's you can just make just as much
Speaker 2: of the case growing up it's surrounding for damaged just
Speaker 2: as much growing up through that as you know from
Speaker 2: the result of it what was going on around him.
Speaker 3: So it's not like he owed it to these people.
Speaker 2: Those people probably fucked up his neighborhood badly enough as
Speaker 2: it was. Is it feel I'll say in the post,
Speaker 2: like say Gez, for example, I don't know, Jeez. I
Speaker 2: know there's been some you know, pimpsy call him out
Speaker 2: about this and that and all these other things or whatever.
Speaker 2: So hypothetically a guy like Jez coming out and saying
Speaker 2: things that are specific. You're talking about zips, you're talking
Speaker 2: about single packs and all this kind of stuff that
Speaker 2: you would be doing plausibly if you weren't doing that
Speaker 2: and you sold it like you just stopped doing it yesterday.
Speaker 2: That to me is different than saying I was up
Speaker 2: in Panama on Columbia and I was seventeen years old
Speaker 2: and da da da da dah.
Speaker 1: That's just different to me. But you don't think that's
Speaker 1: the same thing. One is just elevating kind of the idea.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's get different because one one you're obviously Ernest
Speaker 2: Hemingway and the other one you're writing an autobiography about
Speaker 2: a person that isn't you and putting your face on
Speaker 2: the cover of the book. Rick Ross is a lot
Speaker 2: closer to Ernest Hemingway than John Gotto or something like
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: What I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Sure, okay, but man, because hip hop, hip hop did
Speaker 1: start off as okay, you have the culture right. And
Speaker 1: this is the confusing part because even when you had
Speaker 1: the conversations with different people like I see a word
Speaker 1: me and my niece, shout out to my niece DJNA,
Speaker 1: follow her on Twitter, piece of names. She's really dope,
Speaker 1: smart telling end I'm so proud of this kid. But
Speaker 1: hip hop was always the culture, right, and then the
Speaker 1: artist expressing said culture, sure, right, and most artists like
Speaker 1: even the Ice Q Right who was successful at sixteen,
Speaker 1: seventeen years old, he writes a smashit record for easy
Speaker 1: you know, Boys in the Hood seventy eighteen years old,
Speaker 1: so obviously he probably wasn't out here so Rocks or
Speaker 1: his summer vacation when he made my summer vacation. It's
Speaker 1: a very much a first person told story, but I
Speaker 1: think we all knew he was representing the journey of
Speaker 1: people from out of that section or maybe even in
Speaker 1: LA in general. You hear my summer vacation, and that
Speaker 1: was true in the.
Speaker 2: Time, even like talking about Vegacy and nice Tea speaking
Speaker 2: a while ago.
Speaker 1: Sure cop Killer.
Speaker 2: Wasn't him killing cops. Sure it's pretty obvious, you know,
Speaker 2: But when does it separate? When does it separate from
Speaker 2: the origin of hip hop? Right, the the artist being a.
Speaker 1: Like like a reporter to the rest of the world
Speaker 1: about the culture that they were born in, to Rick
Speaker 1: Ross where it's like, you know, he was talking about
Speaker 1: the boobie Boys. He was talking about Burt convertible Burt
Speaker 1: and all of the legendary names I heard in Miami,
Speaker 1: you know, d boy lifestyle. And I agree that it's
Speaker 1: fair to say that he makes a little movie magic right,
Speaker 1: minus the Norier and all of the because those are
Speaker 1: like to me, like MC, like MC's when they're trying
Speaker 1: to get you to get a point, they overdo it
Speaker 1: till you get it. So it's like, yeah, like I
Speaker 1: want you to know I sell dope, but I need
Speaker 1: to put it to somewhere that the average person who's
Speaker 1: never touched, you know, a quarter piece some most of
Speaker 1: these people never saw a nickel rock outside of a
Speaker 1: picture on the computer. So he's trying to get them
Speaker 1: to understand the journey, right of a Miami d boy, right,
Speaker 1: and that journey, So he puts it on extra right,
Speaker 1: no different than any other artists you know before that.
Speaker 1: When does it separate and it start being too far
Speaker 1: from the origin.
Speaker 2: To me personally as a fan, yeah, just as an
Speaker 2: observer when, like you said, ice Cube does a song,
Speaker 2: ice Tea does a song, a guy does a song,
Speaker 2: and it's you know, it's finite. It's a finite moment
Speaker 2: versus you built this. This is your brand, This is
Speaker 2: who you are, This is all of this stuff. If
Speaker 2: your brand and who you are and all of.
Speaker 3: This stuff is.
Speaker 2: Too close, it is plausibly too close to reality not
Speaker 2: to be you know, identified as a story that you're
Speaker 2: not telling based off of your resume, then that's the
Speaker 2: line to me, because now your whole brand and your
Speaker 2: whole career is based off of a perceived personal credibility
Speaker 2: that you don't have.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure there were enough people who thought
Speaker 2: Rick Ross really did sell five hundred birds a year.
Speaker 1: Sure, his name is Rick Roak.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: To me, he definitely put it into a place where
Speaker 1: he couldn't lose. Okay, if marketing first off, no Ceilings,
Speaker 1: this is the no Ceilings podcast. Gl Pete is in
Speaker 1: California for this podcast. I couldn't get the cameras up
Speaker 1: and running, so we didn't take it. But the conversation
Speaker 1: is everything in podcasting.
Speaker 2: But as long as we say that I'm in California,
Speaker 2: that allows us to say I'm in California routinely with
Speaker 2: no cameras and no one will no, I'll be to
Speaker 2: Rick Ross of geography, oh man anyway.
Speaker 1: So I'm saying right, he's still just covering kind of
Speaker 1: the experience. And I agree. So you feel like in
Speaker 1: other artists you get more of them, like like and
Speaker 1: who's to say, like I got listen. I in my mind,
Speaker 1: I've never been critical of Ross, right, but I have
Speaker 1: said things that were a bit honest, you know, when
Speaker 1: somebody's asking me about my journey, Like I talked to
Speaker 1: Charlotte Mane on the Breakfast Club. Y'all go check that out.
Speaker 1: It was an interview from twenty to nineteen. Really dope, conversation.
Speaker 1: We was talking about twupac months die and I told
Speaker 1: him that I felt forced to be more honest and
Speaker 1: transparent with the experiences of Los Angeles street urban culture
Speaker 1: because of artists like Rick Ross right where he was
Speaker 1: like he put it on so thick, so the average
Speaker 1: everyday person could see the image, right because I actually
Speaker 1: sold dope right in high school. I so dope, like
Speaker 1: I actually touched birds, like I've actually, you know, had
Speaker 1: a key load too, I've actually had gallons of PCP.
Speaker 1: Like these are not things as far. But again, if
Speaker 1: you tell people that it's hard for the average person
Speaker 1: who's not around and remember hip hop is this very
Speaker 1: you know, ghetto or street urban culture is a very
Speaker 1: small place a spec in America. It's not like it's
Speaker 1: a lot of ghettos in America. That's the confusion, as
Speaker 1: people believe there's a lot of ghettos in America and
Speaker 1: they're not. I mean, there's only a handful. And that's
Speaker 1: what it makes somebody like you, you know, when you
Speaker 1: come to watch and you come to where we're from,
Speaker 1: is you could tell like this shit is really it's
Speaker 1: a regular community, but this is real. So when when
Speaker 1: I look at somebody like like Rose right, and and
Speaker 1: he's trying to paint the image of Miami drug dealer.
Speaker 1: But and this is the brilliance of what he does
Speaker 1: as a marketing person. Go ahead, I'm.
Speaker 2: Sorry, No, I was gonna say, I think that, really,
Speaker 2: maybe we're missing all of what Rick's whole thing is.
Speaker 2: I would step back and look at the totality of
Speaker 2: his career. He's selling opulent consumption.
Speaker 1: Go further, opulent consumption.
Speaker 2: His he's really really selling a lust for money and
Speaker 2: expensive ship. In the first album, there was a lot
Speaker 2: of It was a lot of how'd I get how
Speaker 2: would you have the money, how would you know a
Speaker 2: person with this kind of money spend it?
Speaker 3: Or whatnot. It's really a lot about Maybach music.
Speaker 1: He did.
Speaker 3: He didn't call it fish scale music. Go to Maybock, sure.
Speaker 3: And it was about cars and speeding and the boats.
Speaker 1: And the and the perception of wealth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and and and he kind of graduated, or at
Speaker 2: least gradually drifted away from talking about I did all
Speaker 2: this drug dealing to spend all this money to just.
Speaker 3: I'm just buying all this shit all time.
Speaker 1: That's where the albums or.
Speaker 3: He's just talking about all the crap is buying.
Speaker 1: And I agree, but even to the motherfucking marketing mind
Speaker 1: of what he's doing, you know, I'm lending this thought
Speaker 1: to the marketing mind. He understood something that I didn't understood.
Speaker 1: He understood most people have no idea about dope dyling.
Speaker 1: Because I agree. Ross's goal was to sell wealth. He
Speaker 1: always painted it from the beginning to the end. Now
Speaker 1: to the place where he don't even have to talk
Speaker 1: about selling dope. He can just talk about wealth. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: But he was saying, hey, this person, the reason I
Speaker 1: have wealth is because of this lifestyle, this street urban
Speaker 1: culture that Miami made famous. And he knew most people
Speaker 1: didn't have any ideas of what it is. So he
Speaker 1: painted the people. He connected most people who never had
Speaker 1: any experience and said culture. He gave them points to
Speaker 1: where they can get into what he was saying. Because
Speaker 1: he did say he knew nord Riega. Because if he
Speaker 1: says he knew Rayful, you know, if he knew Rayful Edmunds,
Speaker 1: they wouldn't know who that is. If he said he
Speaker 1: knew who was the first King Zoe or whatever Waterhead
Speaker 1: bowl Waterhead Bowl out here, or if you knew little
Speaker 1: Daryl in the Bay. People wouldn't know who that that is.
Speaker 1: He knew that they would know who Norie is because
Speaker 1: most Americans have heard that person's name because the government
Speaker 1: pursued him. He also dressed like the movie idea of
Speaker 1: drug dealing, like the Colombian guys in the film Scarface,
Speaker 1: whereas Lenen and.
Speaker 3: That's not how he used the Scarface track beat.
Speaker 1: Just like Jesu Jesu. If you listen to TM one
Speaker 1: on one. I was saying it the other day, like
Speaker 1: it's probably one of the top five greatest albums out
Speaker 1: of the South. But I never realized how fucking Cornea
Speaker 1: was until recently because I heard all of the Scarface
Speaker 1: inn window and I didn't pick because I never saw
Speaker 1: that movie. But you know when I kind of over
Speaker 1: that time since it first came out to now I've
Speaker 1: seen little parts on YouTube. Obviously YouTube is the thing Instagram,
Speaker 1: so you see clips and now you're starting to kind
Speaker 1: of be a little bit more familiar. Even though nothing
Speaker 1: has demanded for me to watch the film, right it's like,
Speaker 1: nothing really about it seems interesting to me still right now,
Speaker 1: but listening to those parts and now when I listen
Speaker 1: to tam one O one you know, Jeezy and them
Speaker 1: sonically did the same thing Ross did you know, and
Speaker 1: Ross just painted it, you know, in a way to
Speaker 1: where more people could be like, oh, I see what
Speaker 1: he's about. Like the story was a lot more consumable
Speaker 1: for mainstream America, even if not for us, because I
Speaker 1: don't think I ever cared if he actually so dope
Speaker 1: at I don't think I ever even started off thinking
Speaker 1: like he's so dope. Honestly, I don't think that was
Speaker 1: my thought when I first heard hustling. Hustling always felt
Speaker 1: like I don't give a fuck if you got a
Speaker 1: carpet cleaning business, you hustling. You know, That's the feel
Speaker 1: it always gave me. So I think he had that
Speaker 1: part right, you know what I mean, Because like, as
Speaker 1: somebody like Iced Tea always tell me, like whenever we talk,
Speaker 1: he like, man, you are so rich in culture, how
Speaker 1: you talk. Most people don't know what the fuck you're
Speaker 1: talking about because you talk like everybody from where we're from.
Speaker 1: And it hit me like the average person don't know
Speaker 1: what the fuck I'm talking about. Like if I start
Speaker 1: talking that shit and I'm like, yeah, two sticks for
Speaker 1: two sticks for twenty. People don't know that I'm talking
Speaker 1: about two cigarettes that have been submerged in PCP for
Speaker 1: twenty dollars. You can get two cigarettes where the tobacco
Speaker 1: the top of it has been submerged and the PCP
Speaker 1: liquid for twenty dollars. Because when I talk, I just
Speaker 1: say two sticks for a doug and ice cube. I
Speaker 1: think was brilliant. And maybe that's because he went to
Speaker 1: TAFF his high school time, you know what I mean, where
Speaker 1: he understood how to translate things to people. That's not
Speaker 1: where we're from.
Speaker 3: We went to Paramount.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but for some reason, Yeah, it's just not working
Speaker 1: those shit I thought of it. I think Paramount helped
Speaker 1: me speak. So when people hear me speak, they can say,
Speaker 1: you know, you can hear the AP classes when I speak.
Speaker 1: You can hear the soberness when I speak. I don't
Speaker 1: think you can hear it in my wraps, in my
Speaker 1: rap it sound like Nigga like crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean if it's due TAFT high school
Speaker 2: culturally on campus environment versus paramounts or pretty far.
Speaker 1: And I had AP classes. But again also it could
Speaker 1: be maybe who's.
Speaker 3: Walking around the quad, who you interact with in the Hallway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know because I don't I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I know it's in the valley, so
Speaker 1: it probably is. Uh, I've been by the yeah macan
Speaker 1: them live out there, Happy birthday Mac mac ten. I
Speaker 1: just don't know when is it right? Like when is
Speaker 1: it too far? Like is it too is he going
Speaker 1: too far? Like do we really say that the hip
Speaker 1: hop if if? Honestly, I think he's been punished, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, honestly, I think he's been punished.
Speaker 1: I think when people realize that he had a job
Speaker 1: as a correctional officer.
Speaker 3: That's that that is a little bit of a thing.
Speaker 2: It's different than just having been like a janitor a
Speaker 2: local office building or something that is a little.
Speaker 1: Bit almost like the police or the police. So it's
Speaker 1: like yeah, so it's like I think that was his point.
Speaker 1: I think at that point, the culture that consumes hip
Speaker 1: hop was like, you will never be the number one guy,
Speaker 1: because I think his talent probably would have been worthy
Speaker 1: of a double triple quadruple.
Speaker 2: Play yeah, and his timing there was everything kind of
Speaker 2: triangulated pretty favorably.
Speaker 1: So for him to not have that opportunity, I think
Speaker 1: that was the culture punishing him for not being close
Speaker 1: enough per se to the genuine article. Sure, sure, but
Speaker 1: I'm saying, when is it too far? Like like I
Speaker 1: notice people say that about King Vaughn. I'm like, Vn,
Speaker 1: King Vaughn is a gang member, like he got his ship.
Speaker 1: But it's like he wasn't a rapper, he just started rapping.
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, Like I just been thinking about that.
Speaker 3: To me, the line.
Speaker 2: Like you we were saying before we started about like
Speaker 2: what's worse lying or.
Speaker 3: Telling on yourself?
Speaker 2: If you want to look, if you want to get on,
Speaker 2: if you if you put in the work and you
Speaker 2: want to go, try to capitalize on it, because you
Speaker 2: don't make a lot of money doing it, but this
Speaker 2: is your way to.
Speaker 3: Cash it out.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, if it gets your ass in trouble. You
Speaker 2: those you three sixty, You did the work and did
Speaker 2: the song, you got the trouble doesn't bother me one bit,
Speaker 2: not even as a listener.
Speaker 1: I don't even believe in that snitching on yourself, if
Speaker 1: you it's ridiculous to me. It's not that you can't
Speaker 1: snitch on yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah you can be you can take a calculated risk
Speaker 2: for the money or tear haphazard moro.
Speaker 1: On or take accountability. Yeah, there's not a lot. You
Speaker 1: can't snitch on yourself. There's no shame in admitting you
Speaker 1: did something wrong.
Speaker 2: No, And to me, if that's that's all part of
Speaker 2: the risk and and the lifestyle. I don't mean like
Speaker 2: the hip hop lifestyle. I mean like the outlaw lifestyle.
Speaker 2: Most of the time you're doing it for money. Yeah,
Speaker 2: if you made ten thousand dollars or whatever net, you know,
Speaker 2: for the last three months doing all that shit, and
Speaker 2: that's not enough for you, and you have an opportunity
Speaker 2: to make a million dollars telling the story about it.
Speaker 3: It's your fucking story.
Speaker 1: It's only like this when it comes to black people
Speaker 1: and hip hop. Because you look at Francis Coppola. Nobody
Speaker 1: calls him stupid for making The Godfather. Yeah, nobody calls uh, well,
Speaker 1: they do be tripping on Edward James almost. They don't
Speaker 1: not really people over there, they just Edward James almost
Speaker 1: what he did American Meeting, he had to actually deal
Speaker 1: with some real consequence.
Speaker 3: But again or people around him, Edward James almost.
Speaker 1: Wasn't telling his story.
Speaker 2: He wasn't telling he he got he got too close,
Speaker 2: you know, he got too close. Princetopher Copla didn't get
Speaker 2: too close, but France for a couple also. That was
Speaker 2: one thing that I recommend watching it. He spoke with
Speaker 2: the people he did like that. That Paramount single season
Speaker 2: series was very interesting. It was well made, it was
Speaker 2: it was entertaining. It was a good little thing.
Speaker 1: I really don't like The Godfather, like I think it's
Speaker 1: shot like I think it's shot well, but I think
Speaker 1: it's just loan man. The story is and it's not
Speaker 1: like it's this fantastic story as much as it's a
Speaker 1: standard story for gangster rhythm. I prefer like, Oh Western
Speaker 1: really ain't into the mind, the only My move, the
Speaker 1: only My Man. Few movies I really like, I mean no,
Speaker 1: only say only because there's a few. Might Casino would
Speaker 1: probably be my favorite?
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, Sino and.
Speaker 2: Good Fellas were done by the same guy, and that's
Speaker 2: who is that's a different.
Speaker 1: Guy, right, I don't know, because they were a lot
Speaker 1: more shinyer than they were.
Speaker 3: They were made more in a newer generation.
Speaker 2: Movie where there's a lot entertaining.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, The Godfather to me was more from an era
Speaker 2: like Gone with the Wind. That's a lot more about
Speaker 2: story and subtlety, a different world of cinema.
Speaker 1: And I don't even really like that that level of like.
Speaker 1: I don't even think I really like films that pre
Speaker 1: date the seventies.
Speaker 3: I understand why I don't really like.
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think I really have a like.
Speaker 1: I tried to enjoy the black sploitation films, but they
Speaker 1: are a bit like I've consumed three so far? Right,
Speaker 1: Dola miight the movie with? What's the movie? JD's Revenge?
Speaker 1: Jad's Revenge is doope? What's funny? Is my favorite film
Speaker 1: from that from If there is a film from that
Speaker 1: time period, and this film is probably a little later,
Speaker 1: it's probably like The Warriors. The Warriors would be probably
Speaker 1: the oldest film that I like. Yeah, and The Warriors
Speaker 1: was probably that it was.
Speaker 2: The action packed the lulls of story, and I think,
Speaker 2: like you can see the same thing. It's kind of
Speaker 2: true all across Entertainment's true with hip hop. You're talking
Speaker 2: about hip hop is a distillation of another song, taking
Speaker 2: the most entertaining part and condensing it.
Speaker 1: But that's street urban culture in general. Yeah, great point.
Speaker 3: You're a learning curve.
Speaker 1: You've been around the community of me in time. It's
Speaker 1: not bullshit going on most of the time. It's pretty
Speaker 1: much just regular things happen, the same thing out of
Speaker 1: Newport Beach.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like.
Speaker 2: I like Willie Hutch, but Willie Hutch is the Godfather
Speaker 2: and ut Care Project Pat taking the most interesting bars
Speaker 2: or whatever out of the man.
Speaker 1: It's a different said Pap in general fast Break and
Speaker 1: the Truth.
Speaker 3: It's true of movies.
Speaker 2: If you grew up as movies are, in that phase
Speaker 2: of it of its own learning as an art. You
Speaker 2: didn't even have cameras before, like nineteen forty really, so
Speaker 2: you're going from Charlie Chaplin, the Guy with the Wind
Speaker 2: of the Godfather.
Speaker 3: Well, now you're going from Spider Man and X Men
Speaker 3: words to the Godfather.
Speaker 2: It's like going back to the model a pickup truck
Speaker 2: from the you know, from the.
Speaker 1: Raptor to a degree, what's the oldest film that you like?
Speaker 1: Like the oldest film? And when I say like, I
Speaker 1: don't mean you enjoyed it or you watched it and
Speaker 1: you thought it was quality, because that would be saying
Speaker 1: for me, excuse me. The third film I was talking
Speaker 1: about was a shaft gotcha. But I would never watch
Speaker 1: Cheff again, Like I would never choose to watch Dolomite again,
Speaker 1: and I would never choose to watch JD's Revenge. You
Speaker 1: get like, maybe I watch JD's Revenge because it was
Speaker 1: kind of fun.
Speaker 2: Even the Shaft song it's like thirteen minutes long. It
Speaker 2: doesn't start till like minutes six.
Speaker 1: But weirdly, I enjoyed music. I would listen to a
Speaker 1: million songs from the fIF I probably heard I Got
Speaker 1: a Woman a million times just playing it, you know,
Speaker 1: Ray Charles, and that's in the fifties. I love records
Speaker 1: from the fifties, sixties and seventy I love music more
Speaker 1: then than today.
Speaker 3: They have gotten too concentrated to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they just things went.
Speaker 2: From being like Okay, it's a little too long, you
Speaker 2: hit a sweet spot. Now it's attention deaths of disorder.
Speaker 1: But what's crazy is I was telling my homeboy, when
Speaker 1: you think about the technology that's always determined, you know,
Speaker 1: the technology that music, you know, was delivered, like the phonograph.
Speaker 1: You didn't have hit records because the fucking songs was
Speaker 1: too long. But then the birth of the seven inch,
Speaker 1: the forty five created the record the hit records because
Speaker 1: it was something that you could remember and it was
Speaker 1: short songs. Then you know Maurice Williams and the Zodiac Stay,
Speaker 1: you know the songs that if you ever saw that
Speaker 1: Temptation many docu series, there's a song called Stay and
Speaker 1: Stay is like a song that's probably a minute in
Speaker 1: thirty six seconds. Stay just a little bit long. Please
Speaker 1: please please tell me that, yeah, going to that song
Speaker 1: is about a minute and thirty second songs. Twist songs
Speaker 1: were short initially, right because you were dealing with the
Speaker 1: seven inch, the technology of the seven inch to forty
Speaker 1: five when.
Speaker 2: I remember even like, uh, we did this funny for
Speaker 2: ap US History. We had to do like after the
Speaker 2: ap tests because we do either do nationwide. There's like
Speaker 2: a few weeks left the school, you know, because we
Speaker 2: don't get out on the West coast when they do
Speaker 2: in Iowa. So one of our things we had to
Speaker 2: do was like Dot Project was Jim Morrison of the
Speaker 2: Doors my little group chose to do and I remember
Speaker 2: like light My Fire with their first big hit song,
Speaker 2: and they had the album version and they had the
Speaker 2: radio version which is about hath of.
Speaker 3: Lex Good, you know, so that's I think a good example.
Speaker 2: Also, I mean in the same way, like cinema has
Speaker 2: the ability to instantly capture the imagination with effects now
Speaker 2: that it didn't have forty fifty years ago, so it
Speaker 2: had to capture it with anticipation and story.
Speaker 1: The oldest film, like I said, The Warriors is the
Speaker 1: film that I've watched a few I'm probably watch it soon. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I've watched that a few times. And I like
Speaker 1: storyline films, but I guess I don't like vintage storyline films.
Speaker 1: I guess it is a bit slower.
Speaker 3: It does to me.
Speaker 2: It kind of depends, like that's what I'm looking for
Speaker 2: at the time. Same with kind of music. If I
Speaker 2: just need a two minute shot of energy, I'm not
Speaker 2: going to put on an epic six minute song. It
Speaker 2: starts slow and eventually crescendos too.
Speaker 1: Whatever Little John, Yeah, whatever exactly. I mean, I probably
Speaker 1: would Michael Jackson Rock with You, Yeah right, Michael Jackson
Speaker 1: Rock with You is like my true energy song. Okay,
Speaker 1: So then is it wrong for us to punish Ross
Speaker 1: like not me because Ross is in my top five?
Speaker 1: But is it wrong for people to say that because
Speaker 1: they feel like it's so far away from the true
Speaker 1: possibilities of who he could be, even though he may
Speaker 1: be close or giving somewhat of a skewed view of
Speaker 1: you know, this Miami street urban culture experience of selling dope.
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's so rot with like ridiculous hypocrisy
Speaker 2: based off of not only who's doing the judging, mostly
Speaker 2: these fans.
Speaker 3: It's not like some fans like like me, I'm like,
Speaker 3: I've taken the front.
Speaker 2: I took all these fucking cocaine penitentiary chances based off
Speaker 2: of you when you were lying, I could have I
Speaker 2: could have got myself killed the Fox's the matter with
Speaker 2: It's like, that's not really what's going on. I think
Speaker 2: that if you see the same thing with a lot
Speaker 2: of people that exist and then are adjacent to people
Speaker 2: who really are with the ship, and those people because
Speaker 2: they're getting money, they're okay with it, Like I don't
Speaker 2: know the guy's life like that, but I think like
Speaker 2: to a degree, like gun Play, for example, who work
Speaker 2: with Rick all the time, was much more probably with
Speaker 2: the ship than Rick by comparison, and he's you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's it's in his career interest to just let
Speaker 2: it slide because they're in and some of the time,
Speaker 2: a lot of those guys are probably trying to get
Speaker 2: into music because they don't want to do this shit anymore,
Speaker 2: you know. So there's that too, so so you know,
Speaker 2: but like like even with.
Speaker 3: Death Row, like.
Speaker 2: They had a brand even through Sugar that got to
Speaker 2: the point. These are a big group of like violent
Speaker 2: gangster maniacs coming through and whatever. They're kind of like
Speaker 2: whyild West, like real life modern day Cowboy is just modern.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know, in a lot of cases.
Speaker 2: It was it was you know, it's it's it's the fringe.
Speaker 2: People that aren't on the records, that aren't on TV
Speaker 2: or whatever. They really hold that line and they you know,
Speaker 2: they're getting paid to be there and do security or
Speaker 2: whatever fuck else.
Speaker 1: They let him do it.
Speaker 2: So there's not a self policing by fans. Fans are different.
Speaker 2: One fan might be, you know, listen to music, different songs,
Speaker 2: trying to get something else out of it. One fan
Speaker 2: might be so you know, Sammy Smith from Santa Clarita,
Speaker 2: who just whatever. Some people like to beat, people like
Speaker 2: the lyrics and people trying to learn. Some people just trying
Speaker 2: to be entertained. It's a whole tapestry of shit. I
Speaker 2: mean to me, it's it's like who's doing the criticizing
Speaker 2: and why it's important and who do you expect to
Speaker 2: hold the hold the guy accountable.
Speaker 1: I don't know, because I don't think I really ever
Speaker 1: cared about that, And and somebody was on my head.
Speaker 1: They was like, man, you don't care about the integrity.
Speaker 2: I'm like, were you listening to hip hop to get
Speaker 2: exposed to a drug dealer?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: Not me.
Speaker 3: Well there you have it.
Speaker 2: Maybe somebody else is listening to hip hop because they
Speaker 2: don't have access to that, but they have a personal
Speaker 2: interest in that, you know, So their opportunity to get
Speaker 2: exposed to a world that they are not privy to
Speaker 2: is through hip hop. And they're like, man, this is
Speaker 2: the greatest sense rec rouss a cool sac of all time.
Speaker 3: Wait what it is? Fake? They might be done with pissed.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's fair. That's fair, I guess genuinely, because I
Speaker 1: am the culture or I am the you know what,
Speaker 1: it is weird to really walk that line of being
Speaker 1: genuinely what I know, who I am or what it is,
Speaker 1: versus just rapping about it. But to me, that's also
Speaker 1: what made my career such a challenge, Like people ask me,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, bro, I did really well for somebody,
Speaker 1: It's no way I should have been this far. And
Speaker 1: I mean, like, right now, the things that are happening
Speaker 1: to me, now that's about to happen. I'm finally gonna
Speaker 1: get my gold album. I'm finally gonna get my platinum single.
Speaker 1: Right is because I learned what records and being a
Speaker 1: rapper and hip hop and marketing was about, versus you know,
Speaker 1: you're making millions of dollars and don't have no idea
Speaker 1: what it's about.
Speaker 2: Sure, and Rick, probably to his credit, learned all that
Speaker 2: you were learning firsthand, all the shit he was talking about,
Speaker 2: and he was about rapping because he.
Speaker 1: Wanted That's how I really feel, bro Like when you
Speaker 1: really think about it, like like I look at somebody
Speaker 1: like Ice Tea, Like Ice Tea wasn't really a rapper
Speaker 1: like Ice Tea. Stuff happened for Ice Tea pretty fast. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so you know, people somebody was saying to me
Speaker 1: they felt like, man, when you think Ice T's career,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, Ice Tea, he did amazing. Ice
Speaker 1: Team came into the rap game driving a Porsche he
Speaker 1: was already successful at being the culture itself, you know,
Speaker 1: at that point, and he always you know, makes a
Speaker 1: big deal.
Speaker 3: To he's really like an innovator.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and shout out to school he d because I
Speaker 1: don't want to take credit from school. But it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, when school kind of had this idea ice heard,
Speaker 1: it was like, Okay, I know how to clean this
Speaker 1: idea up and perfect it as a rapper. It's hard.
Speaker 1: I used to have this conversation with Cam. It's hard
Speaker 1: for people that's genuinely the culture to get far in
Speaker 1: this business. Like I like, I listened to Snoop Dogg
Speaker 1: tells stories about being a rapper. Snoop was rapping back
Speaker 1: in elementary, like Domino taught Snoop how to Domino taught
Speaker 1: Snoop how to write raps in the elementary. Domino who
Speaker 1: goes on to have a platinum album and huge smash
Speaker 1: record right So he who is he signed to? Depth?
Speaker 1: Jim Okay. So this is the craziest thing. The homies
Speaker 1: put me up on this. Shout out to the homye
Speaker 1: DJ Rashid from out of Houston by way of Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: and New York and and and and and the true
Speaker 1: member of the Licks, right, But he was telling me
Speaker 1: harry O's wife, Lydia had a deal with Russell Simmons.
Speaker 1: Outburst is that connection for Lydia and Russell Simmons. Harry
Speaker 1: O's wife, harry O is the guy that funded Death Row. Okay,
Speaker 1: gotcha right, shout out to her home. Now that's how
Speaker 1: you won't see me really deep, brother, I heard great
Speaker 1: things about it. I never met him still, but I
Speaker 1: heard good things about him. But Lydia right had the
Speaker 1: situation with Russell with Outburst Records, which was death Jam,
Speaker 1: and Domino was signed to that.
Speaker 3: Was Warren g also signed to Death Jam.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay.
Speaker 3: And they all went to the same high school.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, they all went to fucking Pop all from
Speaker 1: the same game. I said, yeah, okay, I got you right,
Speaker 1: So they were all friends. But just the point is
Speaker 1: Snoop was learning how to be a rapper in elementary Sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you talking about eleven twelve years old, y'all. I didn't
Speaker 1: know a rapping or eleven and twelve. I didn't know
Speaker 1: nothing like they was just songs.
Speaker 3: Sure, you know.
Speaker 1: So sometimes when I really want to be hard on
Speaker 1: myself about not achieving, I didn't even have goals, and
Speaker 1: as a rapper, I only had goals in business. So
Speaker 1: but again, that's why those lines have always went crazy, right.
Speaker 1: It's like the guys that kind of became rappers, they
Speaker 1: learned how to rap, and they started learning everything about
Speaker 1: making records. Like Bishop is like that Bishop told me
Speaker 1: he was rapping in junior high school. Mike stro told
Speaker 1: me he was rapping in junior high school. I didn't
Speaker 1: rap till I was I was already a four year
Speaker 1: veteran that selling dope out of high school. It's the
Speaker 1: first time I rapped twenty two years old. So again,
Speaker 1: like me sacrificing so much for it is different. I
Speaker 1: mean it kind of rewarded me first and then kind
Speaker 1: of gave myself to it after.
Speaker 2: Do you think that like with people that are more
Speaker 2: close to you know, ground zero, so to speak, is
Speaker 2: it in a lot of cases they either like you
Speaker 2: were saying, you find yourself in the middle of the
Speaker 2: music sector without deliberately like not like deliberately anticipating it,
Speaker 2: but you kind of find you just kind of like
Speaker 2: find yourself there off of a quick turn, versus like.
Speaker 3: Or is there to a degree because of.
Speaker 2: Your background prior to you were less apt, more self
Speaker 2: constrained in the way you're gonna kind of project the
Speaker 2: art down a more narrow highway of reality, whereas like
Speaker 2: Rick Ross has no constraint on a narrow highway of reality.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's definitely more. It's more responsibilities and because if
Speaker 1: you really out there, you are more than likely to
Speaker 1: be held accountable. Sure, something simple like if I start
Speaker 1: saying I had twenty million dollars, there's people that I
Speaker 1: am supposed to help.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like if you were well, if you if you
Speaker 2: came out and you know album two were saying you're
Speaker 2: buying eighteen wheelers full of powder directly from uh Choppo
Speaker 2: or some shit you know, like like the West Coast
Speaker 2: equivalent or whatever.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like people aren't gonna be like, oh, he's you know,
Speaker 4: I don't think he really did that. They're gonna know
Speaker 4: you're making fucking albums.
Speaker 2: Like I'm in the album making business and I'm making albums,
Speaker 2: but you.
Speaker 1: Know what the yes, and that is something about the
Speaker 1: streets that if you really from the streets, you kind
Speaker 1: of have a different respect for it, like like like
Speaker 1: your admiration for people. I used to always say this
Speaker 1: when Chuck. When I first started fucking with Game in
Speaker 1: Black Wall Street. Game would have lines and rap songs
Speaker 1: like I Run my Hood. I could never say that.
Speaker 1: It's not that I could say it. I could say
Speaker 1: I run my hood right now on this podcast and
Speaker 1: really plug you know Shady Moon Boo as Fats, certain
Speaker 1: older homies, you know what I mean, Big Jay. They
Speaker 1: wouldn't really say nothing like Oh Glasses said this. I
Speaker 1: mean they would hear it in probably the fuck, But
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it because I wouldn't want to disrespect
Speaker 1: the people that I admire and listen to for wisdom
Speaker 1: and knowledge. I would never put myself in their place
Speaker 1: just off of sheer respect for things Maine and Mike
Speaker 1: and and again TJ t Lo got me through.
Speaker 3: Would those guys take it that way or would they
Speaker 3: know okay, jeez.
Speaker 1: If I said it. If I said it, I don't
Speaker 1: think for two seconds plucked with a batter eye, I
Speaker 1: don't think for two seconds. Maybe somebody called him and
Speaker 1: be like Glass tell about he running seven man, They
Speaker 1: don't run nothing. But I don't think he would make
Speaker 1: it a campaign to tell other people like he wouldn't.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't mean much but honestly, my respect for him
Speaker 1: and for them is why I would never say it.
Speaker 1: It's not it's not I think I could get away
Speaker 1: with saying a million different things. It really wouldn't people
Speaker 1: challenge me on. But then there's also about being who
Speaker 1: you really are, and and I don't know if that
Speaker 1: works out the greatest, you know, in entertainment, because it
Speaker 1: is very constraining.
Speaker 3: It what is your primary objective?
Speaker 1: Well, my primary objective is to fulfill my own possibilities
Speaker 1: to be the greatest version that Glasses could be in life.
Speaker 1: But by being Glasses exactly.
Speaker 2: I remember you're saying one of the best things someone
Speaker 2: said to you was you're you're the realest person out
Speaker 2: or something like that. Somebody hearing that's like your premium thing.
Speaker 2: So it's more nuanced, you know, in the industry than
Speaker 2: just simply I want to sell the most records or
Speaker 2: I want to give the most people the record that
Speaker 2: they want, you know, it's it's a different track.
Speaker 1: And that that could be a problem because those things are,
Speaker 1: you know, in the top five. But being glasses is
Speaker 1: the most important thing, Like you gotta happen with Glasses
Speaker 1: being glasses. If I got to take penis up the
Speaker 1: rectum to do it. That wouldn't be glasses being glasses
Speaker 1: because I know, for real, I don't have a desire
Speaker 1: to take penis from another guy. Like that just wouldn't
Speaker 1: work for me. Like if I had to give that
Speaker 1: much of myself, which is one event, it would spoil
Speaker 1: it for me. It wouldn't even be worth having. Yeah,
Speaker 1: straight up, you know what I mean. So like if
Speaker 1: I have to kind of like if somebody said had glasses,
Speaker 1: if you say you run the seven I mean, and
Speaker 1: it'll make you be the number one rapper. If you
Speaker 1: say you run crips and you'll be the number one rapper.
Speaker 1: What I say, if I thought for two seconds, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Because I genuinely think I could
Speaker 1: say I run all the watch and I don't think
Speaker 1: really much would Hall Is Central and I don't think
Speaker 1: and I will walk up Central and Wilmington now and
Speaker 1: shoot a video and I don't think nothing happened to me.
Speaker 1: I'm sure nothing happened to me. And I could say that,
Speaker 1: and you know, I don't think it would be like
Speaker 1: it would go all the way back. But it's just
Speaker 1: it would be disingenuous and that mattered to me, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like being genuine matters to me.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 1: Like, so it's it's it's tough for me to just
Speaker 1: go out there and do shit, and then I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's gonna work. Now if I if I
Speaker 1: if I knew, if I said, I run Wats, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Man, I run Wats and and
Speaker 1: and it would you know, make me have that that
Speaker 1: that gold album that I want and that platinum single
Speaker 1: I said, I'd go that far. I mean, I've work
Speaker 1: it out with the people that I actually think really
Speaker 1: run Wats and it'll be looking better anyway. I mean.
Speaker 1: But again, like it's not even worth the gamble to
Speaker 1: disrespect the people that I feel like run Wats. I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe they wouldn't even look at it as disrespect. Maybe
Speaker 1: a glasses tripping you know, niggas might listen, man, glasses
Speaker 1: you better. My big homie told me Pluck was like
Speaker 1: glasses may yo has a real game member, Bro, And
Speaker 1: you don't even take the hommies. I'm like, I don't
Speaker 1: want to exploit the homies, Like how do you exploit
Speaker 1: niggas as your friend? And I'm like, that's not the
Speaker 1: point I don't like going nowhere with you because you
Speaker 1: told me how to be by myself. He like everybody else,
Speaker 1: this is what they think, So why are you not
Speaker 1: presenting with them what they think? I'm like, but I'm
Speaker 1: really it. He like, they don't know what it really is.
Speaker 1: All they know is this And that became my thing
Speaker 1: with like somebody like Rose, Whereas like I remember, people
Speaker 1: respect you really so dope. Why you don't wear suits?
Speaker 1: I'm like, suits don't nobody. But because that closest thing
Speaker 1: the average American has came to Adult Dealer. It's on television.
Speaker 1: It's scarface. Rick Ross looks like the clips I saw
Speaker 1: from the film's scarface. Like. It didn't hit me because
Speaker 1: I never watched car faces like Nigga, I know niggas,
Speaker 1: that's really scarf.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 1: I ain't know Franklin Saint. That's a like I know
Speaker 1: cuz I don't fucking care about fucking scarf. I know
Speaker 1: these real people. So the way I felt about it,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, it didn't really make sense.
Speaker 1: But I do think there's a level of marketing brilliance
Speaker 1: with Ross for him to understand that they don't know.
Speaker 1: Most people don't know, and if you want to translate
Speaker 1: a point, you gotta put it, you know, in the wheelhouse,
Speaker 1: you gotta speak it into a place that.
Speaker 2: He took the whole supply chain and condensed it down
Speaker 2: into in a blender, into one glass and handed it
Speaker 2: to you. I mean, he's everything from retail to like
Speaker 2: the most level one wholesaler offshore in the same song.
Speaker 3: You know that's not.
Speaker 1: No, it's not. But to the average person, there are
Speaker 1: you know, cultural gems that he gave people, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like he will you'll know who the
Speaker 1: booby boy. You're gonna look up the booby Boys. You
Speaker 1: can go look up convertible bird, you can go look
Speaker 1: up the people he's talking about you, I mean, and
Speaker 1: it gives you an insight to culture. He will talk
Speaker 1: about Carol City, and you can get a little closer
Speaker 1: to Miami, you know, you can connect from one ghetto
Speaker 1: to the next. And that's why it's still real hip hop.
Speaker 1: He's still giving you culture, even if he's making it
Speaker 1: a little bit more digestible for people who have no
Speaker 1: idea what culture is or this level of culture. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a you know, he's a pretty positive guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Ross Ross came to video shoot song Come Up.
Speaker 1: I'll never forget it man, And and uh he shook
Speaker 1: everybody hand. I mean he shook all my homeboys, everybody
Speaker 1: I brought with me. Shit, man, I'm Ross, you know
Speaker 1: what's up? I like and that that left of impression
Speaker 1: in my mind with him, where it's like, you know what,
Speaker 1: you're all right? Man? Sure, Like I might have a
Speaker 1: criticism about not as art because he in my top five,
Speaker 1: but I can have a critical I can have a
Speaker 1: criticism about maybe how authentic these raps are, which I
Speaker 1: really don't give a fuck about.
Speaker 2: And like I remember, you know, like Tupac saying at
Speaker 2: one point in time, you have to do the hit
Speaker 2: song to do the content song. He's also done, like
Speaker 2: you know, buy back the Block. He also talks about
Speaker 2: getting a wingstop franchise. I don't say anybody can get
Speaker 2: a ringstop wingstop franchise tomorrow.
Speaker 3: Anybody can set aside five.
Speaker 2: Year goal to get a wing stop franchise in five
Speaker 2: years and it's not glamorous, but it's life changing. And
Speaker 2: I think that that's a very tremendous positive that stay off.
Speaker 2: That's bigger than listen, you know, suburban rat fings.
Speaker 1: Listen. Rick Ross is in my top five, and he's
Speaker 1: made enough music that I truly enjoy and I appreciate
Speaker 1: his talent and what he offers culturally to where he's
Speaker 1: in my top five. Again, is everybody in my top
Speaker 1: five about a level of what I'm looking for? Uh, integrity?
Speaker 1: I don't think I listened to fucking musicians for integrity.
Speaker 1: I listened to hip hop for culture. See that's the
Speaker 1: best thing too. Like I once I started understanding hip hop,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't go to hip hop for music. Give me
Speaker 1: to all the guys, including doctor Dre, you know, one
Speaker 1: of my favorite people in most talented people in the industry.
Speaker 1: But I would go listen in the war, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, like slipping in the darkness or ghetto.
Speaker 1: Like I would not listen to a fucking hip hop
Speaker 1: song for fucking music. I'm gonna go where the musicians are,
Speaker 1: like where the wrong James Brown records all of notes,
Speaker 1: where people can play. There's no reason for me to
Speaker 1: go to a break if I'm looking for just music.
Speaker 1: I come to hip hop for the culture, and I
Speaker 1: think that the five guys give you the culture. That's
Speaker 1: what that's what I appreciate about With Ross. I still
Speaker 1: get Miami street urban culture. I mean, at which place
Speaker 1: should entertainment be just about entertaining.
Speaker 3: Honestly, that's what you're doing for a living.
Speaker 1: And over the last again, over the last four or
Speaker 1: five years, like it took me ten years, I pretty
Speaker 1: much dedicated my thirties to understanding what hip hop records
Speaker 1: and marketing was. So I pretty much turned through over
Speaker 1: the prime years of my hip hop career just to
Speaker 1: understand what's going on because I did well in the
Speaker 1: in the first five years of me being in the business,
Speaker 1: four years of me being in a business, and now
Speaker 1: I have this really tight window. And it's not tight
Speaker 1: because I'm not developing as a talent. I'm still developing,
Speaker 1: and I still understand more about records. But now like
Speaker 1: other things are starting to really come into play for me.
Speaker 1: When it comes to storytelling. It's like I'm looking at
Speaker 1: films different. I'm looking at comic books different, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, shout out to my people, that's you know,
Speaker 1: that's helping me with the comics Domi keV. It's like
Speaker 1: I'm looking at television and everything different. Like now there's
Speaker 1: more ways to tell a story. Like I'm trying to
Speaker 1: figure out how to do my own art, you know,
Speaker 1: exhibit with music, you know what I mean. I'm being
Speaker 1: fucking Baron was talking about doing a fucking hood opera,
Speaker 1: and it's interesting. It's not as interesting to make albums
Speaker 1: for me anymore. I get it. I still have a niche.
Speaker 1: I got about three albums in the can that matter
Speaker 1: to me that I know I need to deliver maybe
Speaker 1: possibly for it, but I don't see ten. And I
Speaker 1: would never be the type of artist who's going to
Speaker 1: just be making rap records or making albums when I
Speaker 1: don't really have an idea, like right now, I've been
Speaker 1: spending the last so like, like I said, I kind
Speaker 1: of figured out what was going on around twenty nineteen twenty.
Speaker 1: Then I start getting all my catalog to streaming, fixing it,
Speaker 1: just making sure my whole you know, what will be
Speaker 1: twenty titles. You know, when it's said and done, my
Speaker 1: twenty titles on streaming apps, right, will it'll be able
Speaker 1: to be consuming when people find out who I am
Speaker 1: and they go listen to these twenty albums, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean these twenty different records, twenty different albums, they
Speaker 1: can have a much clearer vision of who they fucking with.
Speaker 1: So I definitely get it now. Like I've fixed my brand.
Speaker 1: I think ross brand is premiere. I think I fixed
Speaker 1: my brand at this point. Somebody's asked me the other day, like,
Speaker 1: you know about different artists, and I'm like, man, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be hard for an artist to be better than
Speaker 1: me today because I understand who you need to see,
Speaker 1: who you need to know, Like which parts of glasses
Speaker 1: matter to you that you need to understand. I know
Speaker 1: that now. I'm not giving you pretty much other stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm giving you the glasses that you need to know
Speaker 1: for you to understand and for you to actually want to,
Speaker 1: you know, support my business. Now there's if you know
Speaker 1: I'm not in the business that convince you there's more
Speaker 1: to artists that's not my business.
Speaker 2: I think people may under underestimate how brad the tapestry
Speaker 2: of hip hop is. There's there's portions of it that
Speaker 2: are like very much to make people dance.
Speaker 1: That's that's the origin. Yeah, sure that hip hop started
Speaker 1: with dancing first. It's not the DJ rapping or the
Speaker 1: graffiti first. The first ship is the way they was
Speaker 1: moving to the break in records, how they started moving.
Speaker 1: That's the beginning of hip.
Speaker 2: Hop, sure, and all songs where that's the target goal,
Speaker 2: no matter what the fuck you're really saying, the really
Speaker 2: really doesn't know.
Speaker 3: Then there's.
Speaker 2: The most like broadly generically entertaining, and then there's maybe
Speaker 2: the most conscious and educational, you know, and in general speak.
Speaker 2: But if you're in your own lane, be there. I
Speaker 2: don't think it makes that much of a difference, honestly.
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