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Speaker 1: great way to learn to sort of get over maybe

426
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Speaker 1: your own personal preference and just kind of think about

427
00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:23,960
Speaker 1: is there some is this going to reach somebody somewhere

428
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:28,320
Speaker 1: out there? What was your first big uh to scale

429
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:32,159
Speaker 1: because obviously we're you're pretty new success that allowed you

430
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,199
Speaker 1: more opportunities over there at the publishing company. UM, I

431
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 1: think my first UH. I think getting to work with

432
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:40,960
Speaker 1: Little Big Town was a big deal. And what do that?

433
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:42,480
Speaker 1: What do you mean getting to work with so they

434
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,359
Speaker 1: so they signed them to they signed them as songwriters

435
00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:46,920
Speaker 1: and they said, okay, Martha, you're gonna work with a

436
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,680
Speaker 1: little Big Town. And so it's basically you get they'll

437
00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,080
Speaker 1: send you their new songs, or they'll allow you to

438
00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,520
Speaker 1: set up a co write or you know, sitting on

439
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:56,239
Speaker 1: a song meeting or something like that. I think that

440
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,879
Speaker 1: was great. I think I did work with some really

441
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,840
Speaker 1: great songwriters back in the day. That one I remember. Actually,

442
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:04,440
Speaker 1: I'll tell you one thing that for me from a

443
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 1: career perspective, there was a song that Rascal Flast put

444
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 1: out called I'm Moving On. I don't know if you

445
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 1: know that. It's brilliant. It's brilliantly written. And I worked

446
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 1: with I wrapped that writer, and I remember it one

447
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 1: a c M Song of the Year, and that was

448
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,200
Speaker 1: back in the day when they allowed the publisher to

449
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,879
Speaker 1: come on stage when the songwriter accepted the award, and

450
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 1: so I remember going up on stage and I was like,

451
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 1: it doesn't this is it doesn't get any bigger or

452
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,040
Speaker 1: better than this, because in my life at that moment,

453
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 1: it never had, you know, and I can still feel

454
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,760
Speaker 1: like talking about it, I still like I feel it.

455
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 1: And so I would say that for me was like

456
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:42,399
Speaker 1: a turning point of going, Okay, wow, I'm I'm I'm

457
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:46,119
Speaker 1: attaching myself to great talent. Did you feel like publishing

458
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,240
Speaker 1: was where you were going to live? No? No, I

459
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:54,480
Speaker 1: was no terrible publisher. So then you're working, Are you

460
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 1: just accumulating skills in your mind or are you just

461
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 1: trying to find your next spot. Trying to find your

462
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 1: next spot, right, And that's the thing is you have

463
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,400
Speaker 1: to do. I was trying to do do. I mean,

464
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,919
Speaker 1: I started my own company. I my own publishing company

465
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,920
Speaker 1: with a colleague. We started a second company that became

466
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 1: what's now Big Machine Music. I mean we did like

467
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,159
Speaker 1: we did a good job, but I always knew. I

468
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,159
Speaker 1: always felt like I was wearing like a shoe that

469
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 1: was like a size too smaller or something. And so

470
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 1: it was the discovery process for me. When you say

471
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 1: you started a company that became Big Machine what publishing publishing?

472
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 1: So okay, so did Big Machine buy? Yeah? So basically,

473
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 1: Mike Milliner, who still works for Big Machine, we started

474
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,200
Speaker 1: a company. We had a first company with an investor

475
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,640
Speaker 1: sold UM, sold that back to him at the ability

476
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:50,119
Speaker 1: to do a second company. The second company UM we

477
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 1: signed some artists and talent that Scott had signed to

478
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,199
Speaker 1: his label as well, and we helped develop them. And

479
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:56,959
Speaker 1: Scott came to us and said, hey, I don't have

480
00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 1: anybody developing talent and songwriters like you guys are. I

481
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,400
Speaker 1: want to start a publishing wing of Big Machine. Can

482
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,399
Speaker 1: I do that with your company that you guys have

483
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 1: And I knew at that point I wanted to get

484
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 1: into management, and I think from Mike Key that really

485
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 1: was an aspiration of his to have the resources to

486
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 1: really they're killing it. He's killing it right now. And

487
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,880
Speaker 1: and so here we are. When you want to get

488
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:24,880
Speaker 1: into management at that age, you know, twenties, early thirties,

489
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 1: What does management? What did it mean to you? Then?

490
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I had no idea. I mean, it's

491
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,119
Speaker 1: really I'm so fortunate because the first artist that I

492
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 1: managed was just up and coming, and so he allowed

493
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Speaker 1: me to learn alongside him. So I remember, I thought

494
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 1: we had him. He was opening up for Rodney Atkins.

495
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,239
Speaker 1: His name is Greg Bates. He doesn't he had won.

496
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 1: He did it for the girl, great songwriter and he

497
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 1: so we So he was opening for Rodney Atkins like

498
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 1: a casino in Bullocks in Mississippi. And I was like,

499
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 1: all right, this, we got a gig. And so I

500
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 1: didn't know, so I thought you had to advance the gig.

501
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 1: And so I don't know why I called the casino.

502
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: I should have just called Rodney. Whatever you learned, I

503
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,120
Speaker 1: called the casino. And this like Grouchy Man was like

504
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 1: you want to you want to advance the gig and

505
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, yes I do. And he was like, okay,

506
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 1: well all right, what do you need? And I was like,

507
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 1: I have no idea and he goes, okay, how many

508
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: d eyes do you need? I don't know what a

509
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 1: d I is, he was like, and then he just

510
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 1: starts laughing. And so then he just starts telling me,

511
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 1: is your guy playing a guitar? Yes, okay, you need

512
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 1: a d I because he's going to plug his guitar

513
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 1: and is he singing? And I said, yes, okay, you

514
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 1: need a microphone? Is he bringing anyone else? No? Okay,

515
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: you just advance your first show. And I was like,

516
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: all right, that's crazy. And so I guess you go

517
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: to your first show? Yeah, we go. We drove down there.

518
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 1: I had a I had a red um Folkswagen Jetta

519
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: and drove although it's a long long drive to Biloxi

520
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 1: because it's water the water way down there. Yeah. Yeah,

521
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: So are you finished your first show? Is it? Like?

522
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,680
Speaker 1: Is it a high? Is it your first amazing? You're like,

523
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: we just did it, our first show. I just got

524
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 1: me and you know what a yeah? I mean it wasn't.

525
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: I mean, if you do the math it's not. It wasn't.

526
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 1: I spent more in gas, but that's okay. So what

527
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,159
Speaker 1: did you learn from your time with Greg? If I

528
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 1: were to say you get one lesson to share with

529
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: the world about your time with Gregg as a manager,

530
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: would you learn? I would say that I learned that. God,

531
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 1: that's a great question. I would say during my time

532
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 1: with him, I learned how to be confident in being

533
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: a manager and be confident in asking questions and saying

534
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I'm going to go figure it out.

535
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go find out. I'm going to go I'm

536
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 1: going to admit that I don't know the answer to

537
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: something because you were inexperienced. I'm assuming there was a

538
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 1: fear in admitting you were in experience because the people

539
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: would think of you as an experience. Yeah, I mean

540
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 1: there was there was some of that, But you know,

541
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 1: I did I did ask a lot of questions, and

542
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 1: a lot of people helped me. You know a lot

543
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: of people. His booking agent, Mark Dennis, who works at

544
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 1: c A. He was really helpful um early days, the label,

545
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: Jimmy Harnan Scott, they were great. They were very patient

546
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: with me. So from Greg then what happens. So, when

547
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: I was working at another management company, so I had

548
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 1: we did the big Machine deal, I knew I wanted

549
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: to do management full time. I went to work with

550
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 1: a management company and I really learned a ton there.

551
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: And that was with UM a manager named Jayson Nowen

552
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: who manages Kasey Musgraves and Dana Say and a bunch

553
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: of people. And so when I started working there, they

554
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: had just launched the Casey album that first, that amazing record. Yeah,

555
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: And I remember just observing how they did it, and

556
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: it was so different than coming from a big, big

557
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 1: machine where country radio was the that was the biggest promotion,

558
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: the way you promoted an artist to more like media

559
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:55,239
Speaker 1: marketing with Casey, it was just fascinating to watch, and

560
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: so I was able to learn, Wow, there's different ways

561
00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 1: that you can reach people, and that I think is

562
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: something it I've applied even now with Kine. We have

563
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 1: to reach people in different ways because not everybody is

564
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: paying attention to a New York Times article, but also

565
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 1: not everybody is listening to radio all the time either.

566
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: So working with Jason, what was your job there? Was

567
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: it to help on a bunch of artists? Did you

568
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 1: have your own artists, your day to day on line.

569
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 1: So I had I was a day to day because

570
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,360
Speaker 1: I brought Greg with me, and I was a day

571
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 1: to day. And then Jason was uh that his company

572
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: was going through and I don't want to say too

573
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 1: much of his business, but it was going through a

574
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 1: transitional periods, so I wasn't able to really sign anything.

575
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: And then um, so then I left because I was

576
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: bored and I wanted to work on more projects, and

577
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 1: so I left, and uh, that would have been in January.

578
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: I left and kind of said, I'm going to go

579
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 1: out on my own. I want to sign some more

580
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: things because I wasn't really able to do that at Sandbox,

581
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: which is his company. And so then I was just

582
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: kind of on my own and I signed some arts.

583
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: So just was working with some artists and um, and

584
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: I said, and this sounds like a very um oprah

585
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: thing to say, but in January was like, I'm going

586
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: to say yes to everything because because something is out there,

587
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: I can feel it. I know there's something coming and

588
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: I don't want to miss it because I say no.

589
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: So I was approached by a guy named Jay Frank

590
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: to be a consultant for his company that he had,

591
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: which was an independent record label, and so I said, okay, yeah,

592
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: all right, I'll go try this out. Yes, I'll do it.

593
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: Meanwhile managing a couple other little acts. And then I

594
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: got in there and Jay said, hey, also, we have

595
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: this one guy. He's a country guy. We signed. We

596
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: saw him online. Um his name is Came Brown. He's

597
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: from Chattanooga, Tennessee. And Jay was Jay admitted he said,

598
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: I don't really know if I know what to do

599
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: with it. And I said, well, let me meet him.

600
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: And I met Kane and I said to Ja, I said,

601
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: everything else you're working on, like respectfully, this is the thing.

602
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: This is the thing. And he was like, okay, alright,

603
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: why what struck you in a meeting with well Kane

604
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: when the first thing I had with him, he didn't,

605
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: you know, Kane's shy. He's very very shy and so

606
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: and he's come out of shell quite a bit as

607
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: he's gotten older. But he was very shy and didn't

608
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: say much. But he just has there is a he

609
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: has a charisma to him where when he walks in

610
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: the room, like you turn your head, like you know

611
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like he has like almost that like

612
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: entered force field energy that like draws you in. And

613
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: so I was he's an incredible singer, and I, um,

614
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:24,959
Speaker 1: he's obviously by racial and I was fascinated by um

615
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: how he had marketed himself online on Facebook. He marketed himself,

616
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: you know, and he was and he understood. He would say,

617
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: you know those early videos when he was going viral,

618
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: I mean he was. He was growing. He was growing

619
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: twenty five thousand followers a day, and we would watch

620
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: it because he would post a video and he would say,

621
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: I'm going to sing a cover of check Yes or

622
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: No by George Strait and most people were like this guy,

623
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: you know, because country music didn't look like Came Brown.

624
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: And that's part of that's part of the attraction to

625
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: me too, is that country music didn't look like Cam

626
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: Brown and now it does a little bit more. I

627
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: think with you meeting Kane mean I he maybe he didn't,

628
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: but he kind of had to say yes to you too.

629
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: Or did he just not have any leverage at all?

630
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: I was like, I'll take anybody that's smart it knows

631
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: what's going on. No, he did. He had another guy

632
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: that was working with him at the company, and UM

633
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: and so I was always just very like, hey, if

634
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: you ever need if you have a question, I can

635
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: help you answer it. And then, uh, one day he

636
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: sent me a text message. It's like classic Kate. He

637
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: sent me a text message and said, hey, do you

638
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: want to be my person? And I was like I

639
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: paid to the phone called it was like dude, of course, yeah,

640
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: I'll be your person. And he's like okay, And then

641
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: that was that was kind of that which I asked

642
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: that question asking why do you think Kane felt like

643
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: you were the right person for him? I think because, um,

644
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: even before I was his quote person, I took him

645
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: he wanted to hear some songs and he wanted to

646
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: meet some songwriters, and I I think he creatively, I

647
00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: think he knew that I understood like musically where he

648
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: wanted to go and and put and introduced him to

649
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: some people and and I never asked anything in return

650
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,959
Speaker 1: for that. Um. And then I don't know personality wise,

651
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: like we like we always just kind of connected. Maybe

652
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: he and I have the same birthday. Maybe that's it.

653
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. How do you do with balance? Balance?

654
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: Like well, yeah, no, the work life, bounce, the work

655
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: life found the work life balances. Take notes on this

656
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: and I struggle with this time. Well, well, somebody's not

657
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: gonna like my answer, because the work life balance is

658
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: a fool's mission in my opinion. Like you can't, like,

659
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: you can't. You can't put that pressure on yourself, right,

660
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: you can't put your pressure on yourself. Okay, this week,

661
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do X number of hours with my family,

662
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: X number of hours with work. I'm going to turn

663
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: off my phone. Like it doesn't work like that. And

664
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: I think when you put that pressure on yourself, things

665
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: actually become harder. I think what I try to do

666
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: and people with you know, probably if you asked my family,

667
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: they would, oh, Martha works all the time. Yeah probably okay, fair,

668
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: but but I like it. I enjoy it. But um

669
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: but I try to be where I am. That's the

670
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: whole thing. I try to be where I am. So

671
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: if I have two kids, and if I'm with my

672
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: kids and we're playing uh, they're like big game players,

673
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: you know, they love games and gambling and all that,

674
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: which is I love it. So we're in an intensive

675
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: Uno game, I am in that Uno game. I'm not.

676
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: If I'm at my kids uh soccer game, I'm not

677
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: on my phone sending emails. But if I'm at work,

678
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: I'm at work. If I'm traveling, I'm traveling. And so

679
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: I think that's part of it. Just being being where

680
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: you are. I think that's a I think that's a

681
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: version of balance, though, being ever present wherever you are.

682
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know that I've heard a better

683
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: definition of balance than where you are. Being where you are.

684
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: I struggle with that. I think you know. I've been

685
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: married now since July of last year. Otherwise I've been

686
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: single my whole life, and I have worked. And one

687
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: of the big struggles at the houses as soon as

688
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: I wake up, laptop open, either start working on the

689
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: show or start writing. And I could literally and I have,

690
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: and she's actually just let me know because you should

691
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: just watch and like just letting you know. I will

692
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 1: go until it's time to go to sleep and then

693
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: write before going to sleep down. And I've just stayed

694
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: at it in one version the whole time. And when

695
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: I'm not at it, I'm still at it, which I'm

696
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,879
Speaker 1: on the phone, which I don't like. That's the old

697
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: version of me that was never going to change. I

698
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 1: was never going to grow being that I was going

699
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: to be more successful, but as a human being, I

700
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: wasn't really growing because I was only working. There was

701
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: nothing outside of these blinders except A B, C, D,

702
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,800
Speaker 1: E f G. That's all My struggle is being present,

703
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 1: you know. The thing that made me be present most

704
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: more than anything is when I had kids. We know

705
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: we're talking, we're in when I had kids, and it's

706
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: and and and and I will say this. I was

707
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 1: never like a kid's person. I never even really saw

708
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: myself as a having kids. The second baby I ever

709
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,240
Speaker 1: held in my life was when I had my daughter.

710
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: My life, my life, imagine was the other one? No,

711
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: I think it was, Yeah, I don't know. I think

712
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 1: it was after I got married and they just assumed like, oh,

713
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: you want the baby, and then I think they could

714
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: tell but like I was like, it's it going to explode,

715
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,240
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, yeah, and then all of a sudden,

716
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: like I was so comfortable being a parent. But it

717
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: makes it is such a gift, and it makes me

718
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 1: better at my job, and it makes you cut out

719
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 1: the the deadwood, right because there's so much stuff we

720
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: have that comes at us. It's just time wasting, you know.

721
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: And I and I became more focused and more efficient.

722
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: I liked it. You're present, like I think that I

723
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: just learned something or that is a new version of balance,

724
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: being present and be where you are when you're there. Yeah,

725
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: because I still work fourteen hours a day, but I

726
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 1: try to actually have dinner and put my phone away,

727
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: try just forty minutes most Yes, on the weekends, I

728
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: try to make sure to go we're going to I'm

729
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: going to plan this and we're going to do and

730
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: it has nothing to do with me writing jokes or work.

731
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 1: And so that has been something that I've been working on.

732
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 1: But I imagine when you start with Kine and you're

733
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: kind of starting over in a sense of you got

734
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: your guy, now you're together, I get imagine it's the

735
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 1: big snowball is coming at you again. As far as

736
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: like we got everything to do now to work on. Yeah,

737
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: I mean I let other I let go of other

738
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: things or other people, other clients I had fired me.

739
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: I remember when person fired me like the night of

740
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: the c m A is because I was paying too

741
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: much attention to Kine and and and honestly that was

742
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 1: all a gift, right because for the first two two

743
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: and a half three years we worked together. It was

744
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: all we did. We were so focused. Kine and I

745
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: were like laser beam locked in and if something came

746
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 1: at me that didn't have anything to do with what

747
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 1: our mission, I know, I just ignored it. When when

748
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 1: you guys were kind making your early plan was that, hey,

749
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: people are going to tell you you don't look like

750
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: country music, and here's what we're going to do back

751
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: at that, Um, yeah, I mean people, it wasn't even

752
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: a well, I didn't even think about, oh, we're going

753
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: to retaliate that we're not retaliable, but but it can be.

754
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,280
Speaker 1: We're gonna put out great songs over and over again,

755
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: keep doing what we're doing right and super serve the

756
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: fans and super serve the people that they are there

757
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: for you, you know. And that's even the advice now.

758
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: It's like even Kane and I talked about it now

759
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: where people are so mean on the internet, and it's like,

760
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: just lean into the ones that are kind, you know. Yeah,

761
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: when whenever I moved here, it was awful. I mean

762
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 1: that the first two and half years were awful for me.

763
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: You're awful. I can't imagine. And it wasn't just Nashville

764
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: because Nashville kicked the crap out of me for a

765
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: long time. But it was, you know, they took us

766
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: and put us on all of these country radio stations,

767
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: which meant a lot of these stations had radio guys

768
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 1: that were either retiring or they were firing because ratings

769
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 1: weren't good. And so we weren't just feeling it on

770
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 1: a level here at home them, we were getting it

771
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 1: in every single market. So I had to tell my guys, like,

772
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 1: stay off of everything, let me handle it, stay off

773
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: of it. But what we're going to do, We're never

774
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: going to get those people. They are never they are.

775
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: They made a couple of years come back around. But

776
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: we got to take our people who are with us

777
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 1: and make sure they know that they are the most

778
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: important thing and that's who we're here for. And so

779
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,479
Speaker 1: it was a version of that where we just knew

780
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 1: we weren't getting those people who were that were upset

781
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: that we existed. Yeah you can't, and that'll that'll exhaust you.

782
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: And why not lean into what's working and because eventually

783
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: they'll start growing and and for you, for kine, for whoever.

784
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 1: Those then they start out numbering the dissenters and then

785
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: all of a sudden they start quieting the dissenters, and

786
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: that's where you want to be. And then some of

787
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: the dissenters come back around and go, you know what,

788
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: I don't really give you a chance at first, but

789
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: they don't. They never said they're wrong, by the way,

790
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: they never said they were wrong. They're just like, you know,

791
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: I hated you at first, and now you know, I'm

792
00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: sister like you. They won't even say they like us,

793
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: but they're like, hey, my sister like Sha, but I

794
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: just I know what that feels like to go and

795
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: and and not the same way at all because we

796
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 1: do different things. But just have everyone immediately go you're

797
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: not us and you don't represent us, when in the

798
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: end I represented them more than anything in the past

799
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,760
Speaker 1: that had claimed to do so, which was the craziest

800
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: thing to me exactly. But you never had that opportunity

801
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:27,879
Speaker 1: to even express that. So when Kane is putting out

802
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: the first music as a managed was he signed yet

803
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: or did you do that with him? Um? Yeah, it

804
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: feels complicated. Yeah, it's complictly Okay, So when you put

805
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: you when you put out your first music that you're

806
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: going to go to DSPs, digital or radio, like your

807
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 1: first this is our first big release together. Why did

808
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 1: you choose the body of work that you chose? Like,

809
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: what was it to you that that said here, this

810
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: is our entrance into a big world. Yeah? When he So,

811
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 1: when I first started working with Kane, he had put

812
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:09,280
Speaker 1: some songs out independent, he was in a production deal

813
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 1: and independently had put some songs out and they did

814
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: really well. So then when he made his first like

815
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: you said, it was an EP, it was a five

816
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: or six song EP for Sony, it was um it

817
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: was a couple of those songs that he had put out,

818
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: you know, they never really been including a collection of work.

819
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: And then the other were when came he did really

820
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: work on his songwriting. When he came to town, he

821
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: really worked on songwriting and found his small group. And

822
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: so the others were songs that he had written that

823
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: he was proud of. And Kane was touring, he was

824
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: selling out. What was crazy is he was selling out

825
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 1: undred two thousand cap rooms without having any product out.

826
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: It was wild and so we really couldn't get that

827
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: first EP out quick enough. So when you put out

828
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: what was the first song, I'm trying to think that

829
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 1: was used to Love You Sober was his first kind

830
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: of song. So why that um? That one was a

831
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 1: song that he That was the first song he ever

832
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: wrote when he came to Nashville and he put it

833
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: on social media and came was one of the first

834
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: artists to tease their music in Nashville, at least, I

835
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: don't want to outside Nashville. Other people were doing it,

836
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,760
Speaker 1: but in Nashville to really tease his music on social media,

837
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 1: and the demand for it was so high that he

838
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: put it out. Were you satisfied with the reaction and

839
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: also the success of the song because it wasn't a

840
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,399
Speaker 1: number one I don't think it was the thirties number seven,

841
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 1: But did you feel like, hey, we got some good

842
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: traction here with the first one, or we disappointed him? Well,

843
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: we put it out and it at the time, iTunes

844
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 1: was the thing, you know. iTunes really mattered, and it

845
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 1: did really well on iTunes and number one on iTunes.

846
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,439
Speaker 1: We're like, oh my gosh, when we put this, take

847
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:52,879
Speaker 1: this to the radio, It's going to be like an

848
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: instant hit. And it wasn't. And so that was a

849
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: bit of a reality check. And the thing about it

850
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: is with Kane was selling all these tickets, and so

851
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: we were like, you know what, we're still connecting with

852
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: people obviously because they're coming out and seeing the show

853
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: and there this song was a gold record and all

854
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: of this stuff. So we just you just have to

855
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 1: kind of keep moving, keep working towards something. The second song, UM,

856
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: the label chose it was called Thunder in the Rain.

857
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: You know, I don't remember that one. I remember that.

858
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: I know the first one, Thunder in the Rain was

859
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: went to like number forty eight. It was not UM,

860
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: not not necessarily the greatest one we had, and so

861
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 1: thunder in the Rain, uh, I remember when that was out.

862
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 1: It was up tempo and it was like, okay, this

863
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 1: is but it's real musically, it wasn't really as much Kine.

864
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 1: It's not like he performs it live every night or whatever.

865
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: But UM, by this point he had made a full album,

866
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: and so we put out his first full album UM

867
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: with a number forty eight song coming off the chart.

868
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: Are you guys like it's like two worlds, it's like

869
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: one world. You're selling both the tickets and music. Yeah,

870
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: because at the time that was the thing. We actually

871
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: sold downloads. But then you have I'm assuming these old

872
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:15,399
Speaker 1: school UM gatekeeper radio programmers that just aren't buying it.

873
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 1: I mean, is buying it the term that you would use.

874
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 1: I mean there was I think, you know, and I

875
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 1: would never say who. I don't. I don't even know

876
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: if they were still around, but I remember there was

877
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: one UM one person at a station, and I didn't

878
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 1: really get in the weeds on that because you know,

879
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 1: the record labels have like whole teams of people that

880
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: talked to the radio and stuff. And but somehow, I

881
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: don't know, I think because we were doing a show

882
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: in the market and I remember I was talking to

883
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: this guy and and he uh, I was like, hey, Kane,

884
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: sold out the show in your market, and uh, it

885
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,240
Speaker 1: would be awesome, like if you could, you know, maybe

886
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: like play the song. We'd love to sold out the

887
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,760
Speaker 1: show in their market. And you're begging for some little

888
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 1: radio sport. Oh yeah, that happened everywhere. And he and

889
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 1: the guy said, well, we don't. I don't play urban music.

890
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: I play country music. And I said, oh, I know,

891
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 1: that's that's wonderful because Cam Brown is a country artist.

892
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: And he said, no, he's not, and I said, yes,

893
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: he is. It's like this like it was like comic almost,

894
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: and yes he is, and he goes, I know he's not.

895
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: I just looked at him and I said, okay, well

896
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: maybe you should go listen to him. And that was

897
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: the end of the conversation and he did not play

898
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: the song. I looked at him. I know he's not country.

899
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: I looked at him, and I'm assuming again. I'm gonna

900
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 1: do a lot of assuming here that as Kane has again,

901
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: and we're going to end this in a little bit

902
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: talking about how MASSI if he is yet still under

903
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:43,919
Speaker 1: appreciated that again, how massive he is in places that's

904
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: probably still happening in a way, and I think that's

905
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: probably why he's not getting the respect he deserves. I think,

906
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: do you mean, like for award nominations for everything? You know?

907
00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know. I mean I think sometimes, uh,

908
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,439
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe people put their vote behind what

909
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: they see themselves in and maybe they're superficial and don't

910
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: see themselves and how somebody looks. Well, then I will

911
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: say it. I do think that is a major There's

912
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: just no reason that an artist, if you take away

913
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,760
Speaker 1: faces and skin color and genitals, let's pull all that off. Okay,

914
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: it's the weirdest shape and you just line up body

915
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: of work, songs, uh streams, hits, radio, radio, number one concert.

916
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: There's no reason that Kane shouldn't be and he is

917
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,760
Speaker 1: to people like me and fans, but to the people

918
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: that are organizing these higher level awards, there's no reason

919
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: he shouldn't be in those conversations, right, So what's the

920
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 1: factor keeps him from being there? If you can answer

921
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: that question, I mean, yeah, I don't. I don't know

922
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 1: how to answer that question. Was the question I just did.

923
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: What's well? And what's interesting is it's not everywhere, right.

924
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: Cane's on the Time one hundred list, the Time one

925
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 1: hundred list when the one hundred most influential people in

926
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 1: the world, because he's changing. He has changed the country

927
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: format I think, and perceptions of what is country music,

928
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 1: and so it's not it's not everywhere right. But in

929
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: the same respect, to your point, came Brown should be

930
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: nominated for CMA Entertainer of the Year and not I'm

931
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: glad you said that, and not Male Artist because he

932
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 1: definitely nominated for that too. But that's what I was saying.

933
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,439
Speaker 1: He definitely should be. But you're absolutely right. He should be.

934
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: He sold out all twenty nine NBA arenas. You know,

935
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:51,359
Speaker 1: he has god billion streams. I don't even know how

936
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: many feel like just buying a billboard and going here

937
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: are the facts, listen facts, or you could do like

938
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: they do sometimes and with sports, like this person has

939
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: all these accolades, this person has gone for this many yards,

940
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:05,359
Speaker 1: which one are you taken? And then they don't say

941
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: who it is, and then they pop them up and

942
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, I didn't know that Kirk Cousins had

943
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: better stats than and you're like, oh, I had no idea.

944
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: I've just been led to believe, because I mean I

945
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: would I would be going crazy. He's the big He

946
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: is the most unappreciated massive artist that I have ever

947
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: seen here, right And I and is that a is

948
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: how how do you how do you change people's habits?

949
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: Because I also think sometimes like with the with voting

950
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 1: for those awards and stuff, people vote out of habit too.

951
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so and so, and you're like that that

952
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 1: person hasn't put an album out in six years, but

953
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: they've won the last six times, so you just kind

954
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: of vote for them out of habit. That's happening less

955
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: and less. I understand that point, but I don't know

956
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 1: that that's applicable to Kane necessarily. I don't either. I

957
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,760
Speaker 1: think that you still have a small selection of folks

958
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 1: that are not going to give Kane his due because

959
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: of the same reason the first program director said he

960
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 1: wasn't going to play Kine's urban music. And I believe

961
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,879
Speaker 1: that is being shaved down every single day, and that

962
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: is being filtered out a little more all the time.

963
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: But I would be lying if I didn't say that

964
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:24,439
Speaker 1: it wasn't there. And to be as again, you said

965
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 1: he sold at every NBA arena. He goes to uh

966
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: l A. And so when you play the forum, where

967
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 1: do you play Stable Scrypto? Yeah, twice in a year,

968
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: two years? Who else can do? Who else can do?

969
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: There's a few and they're for Entertainer of the Years. Yeah, no,

970
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 1: it's true. I mean, but what's interesting is if you

971
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,760
Speaker 1: look at the fan voted awards, UM, the CMT Awards

972
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 1: always wins, always nominated, always once he hosted them last year. Well,

973
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: and I don't want to keep beating this up, but

974
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 1: I just feel like he is vastly um. And I

975
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 1: won't say disrespected, because it's hard to say disrespect when

976
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 1: someone has done so much, but he's done it all,

977
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: yet he still hasn't been given what I think is deserved,

978
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 1: maybe underappreciated. Well, I have said like four times already,

979
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: and I don't want to keep saying the same word

980
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 1: because we said underproach at nineteen times in the stupid podcast.

981
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 1: There are people to count those things. But yeah, I

982
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 1: just it's just it's amazing for me to see what

983
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:24,240
Speaker 1: you guys have done together, and it is at times

984
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: frustrating to see what other people won't allow. And it's

985
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 1: only a very small it's a select group, but that's

986
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: a big enough group to actually not allow it to happen. Right,

987
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: So does the group need to change? And the group

988
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 1: is changing slowly, But like you said, people don't like

989
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 1: when the cultures being changed on a on a smaller level.

990
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: I just have empathy because I've been there and I

991
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 1: know what it's like to win everything and have everything,

992
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: and you're still to some people enough people to matter

993
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: a joke undeserving in right. So and that's me. I'm

994
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 1: not talking about kin, but I'm sure that it's very

995
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:11,320
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a parallel situation, and I think that you, Um, again,

996
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: like you just like trust me, Like anytime those nominations

997
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: come out, like it's most people, it's like Christmas morning

998
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,280
Speaker 1: and oh my gosh. And for me, it's just like dread.

999
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's and it's um. And Kane's always

1000
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: gracious and if they invite him to come to the

1001
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 1: show and perform, he always comes and and performs and

1002
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: does all of that and he tries to be very

1003
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 1: gracious about it. And I appreciate that and always take

1004
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: the high road. But do you ever like, dude, you

1005
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 1: don't have to do that. Yeah? Sometimes, yeah, my my

1006
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: people do that to me too. Sometimes We've really been

1007
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: dicked over a couple of times in a couple of situations,

1008
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,399
Speaker 1: and like, don't do it? Yeah, why, like they don't

1009
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: respect to you, why are you going to respect it back? Well,

1010
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 1: I just I love what you guys have done and

1011
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: are doing, and I do feel like you're underappreciate it, Um,

1012
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 1: And again, I think you'll be looked up on your it.

1013
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 1: You can your team as one of the real game

1014
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: changers for an entire era of country music that in

1015
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: the future when it's looked upon it's going to be

1016
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 1: normal because you guys have normalized it. Did you know

1017
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: you actually built the road six ft over to the

1018
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 1: left or right? I don't mean left or right, but

1019
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: you built the road in a new place. And people

1020
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 1: are gonna try to that road in the future and

1021
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:23,359
Speaker 1: they're not even gonna know and they're just gonna look

1022
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 1: at you someone, Wow. Yeah, we're all doing it because,

1023
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: like Kane, that's what my hope. It's my hope is

1024
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: that the eight year old doesn't ever know country music

1025
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: where they don't necessarily see them all types of people represented,

1026
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 1: because there are all types of country fans out there.

1027
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:42,399
Speaker 1: So what's what's the goal then? Now? Is that when

1028
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: you and Caine talk about goals, we have, you know,

1029
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: my little team. We have a meeting at the end

1030
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: of every year, or mostly the beginning. We're tired at

1031
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 1: the end of the year. We always plan at the

1032
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: end of the year and then we're like, we'll just

1033
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 1: catch back up in like mid January. What what do

1034
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: you talk about this year? Like, what is what's the

1035
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: goal this year? In the next five years? Yeah, I

1036
00:51:57,719 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: mean for Kane, he doesn't like to he would say

1037
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 1: this him of if he doesn't like to set goals.

1038
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: I think it's a lot of pressure for me, Um,

1039
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: I'm always every success we have. I will say this

1040
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: for both of us, he and I, we never um

1041
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: when we do have a big success, we don't really

1042
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 1: like revel in it, you know, we don't like can

1043
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 1: you enjoy it? Though? I I mean maybe for a

1044
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,320
Speaker 1: split second. But for me, like any time you have success,

1045
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 1: it's simply an opportunity and almost like for me, I

1046
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 1: feel an obligation to build and grow the next thing.

1047
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: So how do we build and grow? Oh you whatever

1048
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:33,919
Speaker 1: you host the CMT wars, Okay, how do we build

1049
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 1: and grow the next thing or whatever it may be.

1050
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 1: So I would say for me, Um, for Kane, those

1051
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: short term goal next year is I'd like to really

1052
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: expose the world to him, you know, and we'll do

1053
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 1: that through touring, and we'll do that through probably some

1054
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: other collaborate like musical collaborations. You're now working with Restless Road, Yes,

1055
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:03,320
Speaker 1: so what what is that story on you with them? So?

1056
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,839
Speaker 1: I mean the Restless Road backstories been told a couple

1057
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 1: of times, but they know Kane from years ago. And

1058
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 1: so when we um For me, when Caine and I

1059
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: a few years of twenty nineteen pre pandemic, UM I

1060
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: felt like we were in a good place and I

1061
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 1: and I we sat down and we had a meeting

1062
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: and I asked him, I said, do you want to

1063
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,359
Speaker 1: be UM like the type of artist who tour six

1064
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 1: months out of the year and you know, we had

1065
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: some hits, unders about some selling records and tickets and

1066
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 1: then chills for six months out of the year. Or

1067
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 1: do you want to be the type of artists that

1068
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 1: is building like businesses, but kind of working all the

1069
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 1: time and putting their hand in different things and whatever.

1070
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 1: And he was like, I want to take advantage of

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00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: this opportunity as much as I possibly can. That's what

1072
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 1: I want to do. And I said, okay, then we're

1073
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: gonna build out some other like verticals or whatever term

1074
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: you want to use. And so we started to joint

1075
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: venture label with Sony. We started production company, UM he

1076
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 1: started publishing company and Restless Road. We'd signed there the

1077
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 1: first stars we signed to our joint venture label. So

1078
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 1: we have, yes, we manage them, but we also have

1079
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,319
Speaker 1: a different type of investment and in them and so

1080
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: UM my goal is to grow them so that this

1081
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 1: can be that they can be. We don't have anything

1082
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: in the format like them, and I think that they're

1083
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,879
Speaker 1: incredibly talented and they're good people, so I want them

1084
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: to be successful for the rest of their lives. What

1085
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: is your most emotional career moment? Um, my most emotional

1086
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 1: career moment? Would you know? I don't want to go

1087
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,359
Speaker 1: to the negative, right, but like any of those disappointments

1088
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 1: like you're talking about, you know, um, oh you're not

1089
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: nominated for this, You're not nominated for that, you know,

1090
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 1: like that stuff, I take it pretty hard because I

1091
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 1: take it as a personal failure. You know, I really do.

1092
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 1: Like if if Cain Brown is not nominated for a

1093
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 1: c M Award, I take it as a personal failure.

1094
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: And so that's very like emotional, like like oh I

1095
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: couldn't do enough. Um. But on the positive, I would say,

1096
00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 1: I would say, on the positive, probably um, Like like

1097
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 1: the A m A Awards with Kine were amazing, his

1098
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 1: first one where he won three a m as and

1099
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: got to go up on stage and in front of

1100
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 1: his you know, all types of formats of music. That

1101
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:12,879
Speaker 1: was a really big deal. And you know, I think

1102
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 1: just that our tour, getting back to touring after the

1103
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:19,799
Speaker 1: pandemic was very emotional, you know, because it was such

1104
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 1: a complex set of emotions. We felt we'll kind of

1105
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 1: wrap with this. I mean we've done an hour. I

1106
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:29,760
Speaker 1: could do three. Honestly, this you's just been great. Um.

1107
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 1: When it comes to new artists and where there are

1108
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,320
Speaker 1: a lot of new artists that listened to this podcast.

1109
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 1: This this podcast was kind of born out of me

1110
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 1: talking to songwriters and people to do so much of

1111
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:43,240
Speaker 1: the creating, if it's a person in a job like yours,

1112
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: or a songwriter or a publisher, a producer. Um. And

1113
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 1: it's kind of swollen so big that artists commend because

1114
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 1: they want to talk about the second layer. So we

1115
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 1: have all these new artists that listen to this, going,

1116
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 1: all right, how do I go from new, unsigned, unmanaged

1117
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 1: to meeting those kinds of people. So all that being said, like,

1118
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 1: how does someone get a manager? Yeah, someone that's not

1119
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 1: in Nashville, especially right, I think, um, honestly, it's easier now,

1120
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: believe it or not, than ever before because we have

1121
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 1: social media and you have TikTok, and I think the

1122
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 1: way you get a manager and the way you get

1123
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 1: a team around you is you create a fan base

1124
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:26,280
Speaker 1: and you start figuring out how to connect with people

1125
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 1: and how to create your little world online. Um, and

1126
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:34,280
Speaker 1: that I mean, I think that that's the first step

1127
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:37,760
Speaker 1: build your fan base. Well, I'll end it how I started.

1128
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 1: I just think you're such a visionary for a lot

1129
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 1: of the things that you do that we didn't even

1130
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 1: talk about here. I also think Kane is like such

1131
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 1: a good dude aside from just the music part of it. Like,

1132
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: I just love the guy just le mean, yeah, he

1133
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 1: is who he is, and it took me a long

1134
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 1: time to understand because he didn't talk, and I was

1135
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:57,399
Speaker 1: always like, Okay, I don't know if he's a jerk

1136
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 1: or if he's shoy. He comes off aloof oh again,

1137
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 1: I do too at times if I if I'm not

1138
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 1: when I'm on, I'm completely off and people are like why,

1139
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 1: guy's a dick, and I'm like, no, no no, no, I

1140
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 1: don't want to bother people, so I'm just gonna sit back.

1141
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 1: And I think I was like, I don't know if

1142
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 1: I like this guy because he doesn't talk. Maybe he

1143
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: hates me. And then I'm projecting and making assumption and

1144
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: he's probably jumping the same conclusions. Just so that being said,

1145
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 1: I'm the longer I've been here and been able to

1146
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: spend time alongside him and then even with him, and

1147
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 1: you know, I think we have kind of a minor

1148
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 1: almost friendship now. It's what a miner almost what I

1149
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 1: call it, because he'll text you know, well, he's a

1150
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 1: vital in basketball. You know, that's kind of stuff happens.

1151
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 1: But it's just like, I just like the guy for

1152
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:45,919
Speaker 1: a lot of the things he does that people don't

1153
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 1: know about. And I'm not even gonna say some of

1154
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 1: the stuff they are now, but he just does a

1155
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 1: lot because I think he's been through a lot and

1156
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 1: he wants to help people not go through the same

1157
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: crap that he went through or similar things. Yes, so

1158
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 1: I feel like like Nashville got lucky to have them,

1159
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 1: and I feel like, and I'm Nashville is the country

1160
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: music world, and I feel like that that is not

1161
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 1: understood yet. I agree with you, and I feel like

1162
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 1: Kane got really lucky to have you, and I just

1163
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 1: I just love what you guys are doing, so thank

1164
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 1: you so much. And I think Mike, I think we

1165
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 1: hit an hour here, huh so usually we do ten minutes,

1166
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 1: but we didn't. I'm just getting no, we don't a minute,

1167
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 1: we don't, we don't. Well, thank you for for coming by,

1168
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: thank you for having I think I think people will

1169
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 1: take a lot from this. And UM, Kane Brown, Restless Road.

1170
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 1: Who do you have on your arsenal? Now that's UM.

1171
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 1: We just signed a band, a non country band and

1172
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 1: all pop sort of since pop band called Nightly that

1173
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 1: we're really excited about. UM. And then kind of all

1174
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 1: of the nineteen and then UM an artist named Jylan

1175
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 1: Schneider who just signed a deal with Broken Boat. All

1176
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 1: right there she has, thank you and much salt to

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Speaker 1: h