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Speaker 1: kidnap case of Jamie Claus and the murder of both

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Speaker 1: to do that. This week, the Class family released this

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Speaker 1: We now know it is a female body. Greenwich, Connecticut

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Speaker 1: she was fully clothed. That may rule out sex assault

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Speaker 1: know somebody knows where she's at. Somebody has seen her.

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Speaker 1: There's more information out there. Somebody just needs to realize

435
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: to recognize than to say something. Has she ever disappeared before? No? No,

436
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,199
Speaker 1: I can't think of anywhere she's ever gone that. She

437
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: hasn't told me that. It's just not in her character

438
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: to just take off and be gone. Thanksgiving is the

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00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 1: last known time Kelsey Barrett was seen in public. It

440
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,439
Speaker 1: was at this Safeway store where she was captured by

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00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 1: the store's security cameras. Cheryl Barrett says she spoke with

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00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: Kelsey by phone that day twice. What did you talk

443
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 1: about that day? Oh, it was just small things, and

444
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 1: initially she needed a recipe Based on that conversation, there

445
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: was nothing to make you believe there is anything wrong exactly. Yeah.

446
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 1: Her voice was fine, she was, Yeah, she was. It

447
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: was a normal day for her. I've looked at that

448
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: video over and over and over trying to get any

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00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 1: kind of clue about where is missing Colorado Mom Kelsey

450
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 1: Barrett leaving behind her taught girl Kelly she would never

451
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: have done that. And she is no prom queen hiding

452
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: behind her tiara and her lipstick. She's a flight instructor,

453
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: just bought her own town home all on her own,

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00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: taking care of her little girl, and seeing her fiance

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00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: now called the killer fiance, Patrick Frazy. Where is she?

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00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: The only clue we have is her cell phone pinging

457
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: about eight hundred miles away in Gooding, Idaho, near Twin Falls,

458
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: and then enter the scene a rodeo loving mom of

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Speaker 1: two divorcee who apparently met Kelsey's fiance on the rodeo circuit.

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00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: She's heading to court. That's right, the rodeo mom of

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00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: two is heading to court. But why, I'm Nancy Grace.

462
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: This is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.

463
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: Listen to our friend at Fox thirty one. The connection

464
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: between Barett and Lee is Patrick Frazy. He was the

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Speaker 1: now deceased Beareth's boyfriend and father to their one year

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Speaker 1: old child, and, according to acquaintances, also dating Lee. Police

467
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: believe Phrasie killed Bareth then hit her body on Thanksgiving Day.

468
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: Bareth's cell phone was turned on after she died, pining

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Speaker 1: the cell tower near Twin Falls where Lee lives. Lee

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00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 1: is not in custody and Fox thirty one can't find

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Speaker 1: any criminal charges pending on public court documents, yet her

472
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: scheduled appearance in Teller County indicates she's cut a plea deal.

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00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 1: A plea deal to what dating a killer. We don't

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Speaker 1: know where Kelsey Bear's body is. We know nothing about

475
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: where her remains maybe hidden. We do know that her

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00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: family has brought a lawsuit for wrongful death against the

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Speaker 1: killer fiancee, and in one moment, I'm going to Alan

478
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Speaker 1: Duke on that there's movement there but Ellen killorin with

479
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: me Crime online dot Com investigative reporter. You can find

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Speaker 1: Ellen's work and all other breaking crime in justice news

481
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: at crime online dot Com. We've been on this since

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Speaker 1: the get go, when Kelsey beat first went missing. Ek

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Speaker 1: why is as I like to say, the rodeo loving

484
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: divorce a mom of two showing up in court pleading

485
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: guilty to what? On Friday, Crystal Lee Kenney is due

486
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: in courts. She is expected to enter into a plea deal.

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00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: KOA reported overnight that she is expected to face one

488
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: count of tampering with physical evidence. We don't know exactly

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Speaker 1: what that count is related to specifically, but there are

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00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: certainly indications that investigators believe Kenny may have disposed of

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00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: Bareth's cell phone two days after Bareth went missing on

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00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving Day. This is what we know. This nurse apparently

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00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: met the fiance Patrick Frasy. Some call him the killer

494
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: fiance on the rodeo circuit. He is a rancher, so

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00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: that's not unusual. They struck up a love relationship. I

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00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: don't know why he didn't just break up with Kelsey Bareth,

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Speaker 1: but I can guarantee you this to Kathleen Murphy, North

498
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Speaker 1: Carolina family and divorce law. Your boy, they sure could

499
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: have used you. Kathleen, She's not pleading for nothing, all right.

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Speaker 1: She's going to have to be cutting a deal or

501
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 1: she's facing hard jail time on this thing. And I'm

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00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: very happy that they've got her over a barrel, so

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00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: to speak, because Patrick Patrick Frazy's not giving up a

504
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: Frezy whatever his name is, is not giving up anything.

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00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: He's not talking. She has a lot of information, and

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00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: with the information that we get from her, we still

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00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: don't have the body. And that's track. I know her

508
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: little girl is going to grow up not knowing what

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Speaker 1: happened to mommy. Karen Start, you're the psychologist, Karen Start

510
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: at Karen Start dot com joining us from Manhattan today, Karen,

511
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: to grow up not knowing anything about your mom, knowing

512
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Speaker 1: nothing like Karen. You remember when the Twins, when I

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00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: was covering the top Mom Casey Anthony trial and we

514
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: had to all, yeah, who could forget that? We all

515
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: had to move to Orlando for the duration of the trial,

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00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: before it and after it, and at that time we

517
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Speaker 1: would take the twins to Disneyland is a land or

518
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,479
Speaker 1: World in Florida, det Well, Disney. It went to Disney

519
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: every other day, okay, And they remember practically nothing of that.

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00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: They have vague recollections of pulling ears, tail and things

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00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: like that, or chasing piggling around, but they remember very

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Speaker 1: little of that. And I'm just thinking about this little girl.

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Speaker 1: She's going to grow up. She's never going to remember

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Speaker 1: her mother, Kelsey, who is awesome. She's beautiful, she's a

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00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: flight instructor, she bought her own home. She does it all.

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Speaker 1: There were cinnamon rolls warming on the counter when her

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00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: brother showed up that day looking for her. She took

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Speaker 1: care of her daughter, I mean everything. She was superwoman.

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00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: And this child, Kelly will never know her because of

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Speaker 1: this jackass Patrick Frazy according to police. Karen, I mean,

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Speaker 1: how's that going to affect her well? In addition to

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00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: which fancy, I mean, she will not remember her. They're

533
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: absolutely right. And who was her father? You know, there's

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00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: nobody for this little girl. But she will be okay,

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00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: as long as the memory of her mother has kept

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Speaker 1: alive that the people that can still be there with

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00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: her but will constantly talk about her and show her

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00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: pictures and videos, whatever they can do to keep the

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00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 1: memory alive for her because she will want to know

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Speaker 1: and remember as much. This is what I know about

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Speaker 1: Miss Chrystal Lee, aged thirty two years old. She as

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Speaker 1: Ellen Colorna, is reporting a scheduled to appear in Colorado

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Speaker 1: a courtroom Friday morning eight thirty am. She's going to

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Speaker 1: enter a plea deal with prosecutors. According to two of

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Speaker 1: her relatives, who spoke anonymously, the deal has not been

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00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: made public. They say she's been cooperating with investigators and

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00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,720
Speaker 1: the investigators are looking into claim she disposed of evidence,

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Speaker 1: specifically Kelsey Bearer's cell phone. Hello, it pained right where

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00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: she lives at Twin Falls, Idaho. Long story short, this

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00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: woman facing one kind of tampering with physical evidence. It's

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00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: a Class six fellas knee punishable by eighteen months behind bars.

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00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: Unless she wants to do that and maybe a whole

553
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: lot more, she better cooperate. So what do you expect

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00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: her to offer an exchange for a sweet deal? Kathleen Murphy,

555
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: you're the lawyer. I think that she's gonna make a

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00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: plea deal for no jail time because she has a

557
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: new child herself, and if she goes into this without

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00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: jail time, then she's gonna be able to leave it

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00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: all behind. But I would be very disappointed if she

560
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: got no disappointed as a nurse at Saint Luke's Magic

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00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: Valley Medical Center there in Twin Falls, Idaho. But the

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00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 1: hospital spokesperson says an individual by that name no longer

563
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Speaker 1: works at the hospital. That's what we know what is

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Speaker 1: going to happen in court Friday morning. As i've right

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00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: now see Barrett or her remains have not been discovered.

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Speaker 1: Now we know in another development, we know that Crystal Lee,

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00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,280
Speaker 1: who is reportedly having an affair with a killer fiance,

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00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: is going to be in court Friday morning to play guilty.

569
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Speaker 1: But to what and why? Listen to our friends and

570
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Speaker 1: Inside edition, did this nurse help murder suspect Patrick Frazy

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Speaker 1: dispose of the cell phone belonging to his fiance. Her

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Speaker 1: name is Crystal Lee and she is a registered nurse

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Speaker 1: it Twin Falls, Idaho. Published reports say the FBI is

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Speaker 1: investigating her in connection with Kelsey Barrett's disappearance. Lee lives

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Speaker 1: about thirty five miles from where the missing mom's cell

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Speaker 1: phone last painted, three days after she was seen at

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Speaker 1: a supermarket on Thanksgiving Day. Here's what we know about Lee.

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00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: She is thirty two years old and a divorced mother

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Speaker 1: of two. She is active in rodeo and was once

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Speaker 1: crowned Miss Magic Valley Stampede Queen. She and Frazy reportedly

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Speaker 1: met at a rodeo. He's a blacks. The nature of

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00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: Crystal Lee's relationship with Patrick Frazy is unclear, and authorities

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Speaker 1: have not confirmed that they are investigating. League. Victoria Racanio

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00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: is in Twin Falls. According to one report, they've known

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00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: each other for years and were romantically involved. Crystal Lee

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00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 1: works at Saint Luke's Medical Center as a pre opt nurse.

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00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,760
Speaker 1: A spokeswoman confirms she is now on a leave of absence.

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00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: Kelsey Barrett's parents have filed a wrongful death lawsuit against

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Speaker 1: Frazy for his actions to murder and or collaboration to

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Speaker 1: murder their daughter. This woman, Crystal Lee, the Mismagic Valley

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00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: Stampede Queen, is going to be in court on Friday

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Speaker 1: morning at eight thirty two. Aladte we heard that the parents.

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Speaker 1: Kelsey's parents have filed a wrongful death action against killer fiance,

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Speaker 1: Patrick Frazie. What do you know about that well, A

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00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: source close to the legal team assures me that the

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Speaker 1: lawsuit will go on, but expect them to withdraw it

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00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,720
Speaker 1: soon from federal court because they don't want to impede

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Speaker 1: the criminal investigation. If they were to proceed with more

599
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:09,919
Speaker 1: hearings and discovery, it would reveal some information that they

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Speaker 1: believe police do not want revealed yet, so they are

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Speaker 1: going to pull it and then refile it later. Take

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Speaker 1: a listen. This is how Crystal Lee, the former Mismagic

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Speaker 1: Valley Stampede queen, was found out. Joe and Patty Rosall

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Speaker 1: say they called the FBI after learning disturbing details about

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Speaker 1: the disappearance of Kelsey Barrett. They claim they learned the

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Speaker 1: information from a close friend of Crystal Lee. Lee allegedly

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00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 1: had a relationship with Barrett's fiance, Patrick Frazy Crazy is

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Speaker 1: now charge of Barrett's murder, even though her body hasn't

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Speaker 1: been found. Nikobatis is here with the expanding, twisting and

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Speaker 1: turning investigation. Nicki. Good morning, good morning, Good morning everyone,

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Speaker 1: a source tells CBS News The FBI questioned Crystal Lee

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Speaker 1: regarding her possible role in Kelsey Barrett's disappearance and that

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00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,720
Speaker 1: she is cooperating with authorities. Her alleged connection to Patrick

614
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: Free is offering new insight into what may have happened.

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00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: She was in love with him from a very young age.

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Speaker 1: Pattie and Joe Rockstall say one of their employees, who

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Speaker 1: was Crystal Lee's best friend, told him that Lee and

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Speaker 1: Patrick Frazy had a relationship that began just after high school.

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Speaker 1: She was very vulnerable and I think she cared for

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Speaker 1: him and he took advantage of that. He was her

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Speaker 1: first love. I understand, and Yanna hold on her. The

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Speaker 1: Rockstalls say they were told Lee, a nurse from Idaho

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Speaker 1: and mother, visited Frazy as recently as November, the month

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Speaker 1: his fiance Kelsey Barreth vanished. They claimed their employee says

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Speaker 1: Frazy threatened Lee and she may have helped him dispose

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Speaker 1: of evidence. Do you know what the threats were? Patrick

627
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 1: told Crystal that little girls go missing off the playground

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Speaker 1: all the time. Crystal was so scared. He was so

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Speaker 1: angry that he said things that made Crystal think he

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Speaker 1: had killed before. So of course she's going to be terrifying.

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Speaker 1: The Rockstalls say they were told Phrasey Astley three times

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Speaker 1: as early as October to help kill Barett, but Lee refused.

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Speaker 1: From what Cristel said, what was Patrick Phrasie's motive that

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Speaker 1: he felt that Kelsey was going to harm the child,

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Speaker 1: that she was crazy? Is Crystal Lee a murderer? I

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Speaker 1: don't believe so, I don't. Barett was last seen on

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Speaker 1: this surveillance video at a grocery store in Colorado on

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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving Day with her and Phrase's one year old daughter.

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Speaker 1: Three days later, police say Barett's cell phone pinned nearly

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Speaker 1: six hundred miles away in Gooding, Idaho. Several texts were

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Speaker 1: sent from the phone, including one to her employer saying

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Speaker 1: she would be away for a week and another to Phrasey.

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Speaker 1: Do you think Krystal Lee sent those texts? I do.

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Speaker 1: She had the phone. She was probably instructed to send

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Speaker 1: those texts by Patrick, but that there's nobody else that

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Speaker 1: could have sent those texts to my knowledge. Why would

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Speaker 1: Cristell Lee, a nurse with children, helped Patrick Frazy cover

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Speaker 1: up the murder of his fiance. I think she was

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Speaker 1: afraid and I think she got in over her head.

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Speaker 1: She was in love with Patrick. And we've all heard

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Speaker 1: the stories of what people will do for love. You

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Speaker 1: are hearing our friends at CBS as they were reporting

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Speaker 1: and speaking with Patty and Joe Rockstall there in Idaho,

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Speaker 1: and they're telling the story. The Rockstalls are telling the

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Speaker 1: story of this nurse, Crystal Lee, who had been in

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Speaker 1: love with Patrick Frazie, the so called killer fiance, for

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Speaker 1: so long and at first refused to help. You know

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Speaker 1: Karen Stark, psychologist, You can find her at Karen Stark

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Speaker 1: dot com. What people do for love? I mean, she

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Speaker 1: had to know that Patrick Frasy meant to kill Kelsey Barrett.

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Speaker 1: And if he thought that Kelsey was harming their daughter

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Speaker 1: in any way, he could have reported it and gotten

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Speaker 1: the child himself. He didn't do that. He wanted her dead.

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Speaker 1: I think there was a money motive. They may have

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Speaker 1: been a motive, but in cases like this, you're talking

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Speaker 1: about a person the personality where it's just very convenient

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Speaker 1: for him to kill them. They actually he might even

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Speaker 1: get off the fact that he gets to kill her

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Speaker 1: and unfortunately received it. In a lot of cases, people

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Speaker 1: do really really insane things when they were in love.

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Speaker 1: You know they say that love can make you crazy, Well,

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Speaker 1: this is an instance of that where she's devoted to

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Speaker 1: the man that she'll do anything. I want to go

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Speaker 1: back to Ellen colorin joining us. Oh hold on, I'm

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Speaker 1: just being joined right now by forensics expert out of Florida,

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Speaker 1: Karen Smith. Karen, how do you think they put it

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Speaker 1: all together? And what do you expect to learn from

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Speaker 1: the texts and the paying data. I think that that

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Speaker 1: cellphone pag Nancy was the key to this case. You know,

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Speaker 1: it payed twenty five miles from Crystal Lee's house in

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Speaker 1: Twin Falls, Idaho. They linked Crystal Lee back to path

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Speaker 1: Trick Crazy probably. You know, she's going to be the

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Speaker 1: weak link in the chain here, which is why she's

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Speaker 1: getting this plea deal for apparently tampering with physical evidence.

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Speaker 1: So what they're going to do is question her what

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Speaker 1: did you do with her cell phone? Did you throw

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Speaker 1: it at a dumpster? Did you throw it in a river?

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Speaker 1: What did you do with it? When did you have it?

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Speaker 1: What did you know? And when they're going to go

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Speaker 1: back and question her about Patrick Frazy, what is he like?

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Speaker 1: When's the last time that you saw Kelsey Barretts when's

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Speaker 1: the last time you saw Patrick Frazy All of these questions,

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Speaker 1: not only those small details, but basically, did Patrick Frazie

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Speaker 1: confide in her? You know, she was a trust and confidant.

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Speaker 1: Not only that, but according to reports, he was threatening

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Speaker 1: her and her daughter to keep her over a barrel.

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Speaker 1: It's a very complex case and law enforcement has their

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Speaker 1: work cut out. I'm just hoping that at some point somebody,

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Speaker 1: maybe Crystal Lee, if she knows, will come for us

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Speaker 1: with where Kelsey Barrett's body is so that she can

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Speaker 1: put to rest. Well, another thing, they need her, Kathleen Murphy,

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Speaker 1: North Carolina family and divorce lawyer, because he Patrick Frasy

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Speaker 1: is charged with murder and solicitation, She's obviously the one

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Speaker 1: he's solicited. They need her, They need her, and that

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Speaker 1: goes back to my earlier comment. She's probably shooting for

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Speaker 1: no jail time because of her children, but I think

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Speaker 1: the police department and the detectives hold all the cards.

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Speaker 1: You can get thirty years or you can get fifteen years,

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Speaker 1: but she's got to get something. She's got to get something,

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Speaker 1: but not at the expense of Kelsey's family. We wait

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Speaker 1: as justice unfolds on Friday morning, oh eight thirty Nancy

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Speaker 1: Grace Crime Story is signing off Goodbye friend,