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Speaker 1: It's nine O gen one Elegien with Jenny Garth and

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Speaker 1: Tory Spelling. We're talking about season four, episode thirty one,

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Speaker 1: mission Mister Wall Goes to Washington, Part one, aired May

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Speaker 1: twenty fifth, nineteen ninty four, May twenty fifth.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 3: So okay, so this is the two part finale and

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Speaker 3: this is part one, part.

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Speaker 2: One, so when it aired, it aired all in one night, obviously.

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Speaker 3: Synopsis. Brenda gets an offer she can't refuse. Kelly comes

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Speaker 3: to terms with her feelings for Brandon, Steve sees Celeste

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Speaker 3: with her Steve. Steve sees Celeste with his art enemy

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Speaker 3: Dylan Here's wedding bells, while Kevin sees dollar signs and

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Speaker 3: Donna sees there's something going on between David and Ariel.

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Speaker 1: Well, I wanted to go to them to break this

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Speaker 1: down because there's so many different avenues. Which avenue SHO

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Speaker 1: would go down first?

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Speaker 3: Because the path of Last Resistance?

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Speaker 2: How much I wanted to go to that carnival thing?

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Speaker 3: Oh I remember where that was? Should I start that?

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Speaker 1: That was the longest carnival ever of carnivals.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so somebody needs to check me when this filmed.

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Speaker 3: But here's what I remember I saw, I didn't remember,

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Speaker 3: and then the scene with me and Shannon and Celeste,

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Speaker 3: I was like, it took me right back there. And

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Speaker 3: I believe, unless I'm totally wrong, it was the Malibu

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Speaker 3: Chili Cookoff, which is Labor Day weekend, and I believe

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Speaker 3: they let us come in early, so I think we

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Speaker 3: possibly filmed that Friday when it starts, and we filmed

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Speaker 3: early in the day and it was so hot and

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Speaker 3: then it got night.

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Speaker 2: But then here's my question, how would you have shot

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Speaker 2: that in September for May?

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure, so somebody checked me because I'm probably wrong,

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Speaker 3: but I feel like that's what it was.

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Speaker 1: Like that it was pretty cool though, what a great

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Speaker 1: carnival looked fun, It looked amazing.

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Speaker 2: It reminded me of Greece, you know at the end

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Speaker 2: of Greece when they're.

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Speaker 1: Like the.

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Speaker 3: I did it in the same space and they just

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Speaker 3: recreated it.

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Speaker 1: Could I love the opening of the way they showed

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Speaker 1: the two worlds of the kids at the carnival and

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Speaker 1: then they would cut to the seriousness of Andrea being

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Speaker 1: in the hospital. Ever, yeah, I love that. I thought

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Speaker 1: it was cool. Can you believe the baby was only

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Speaker 1: two pounds? Eight ounces. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I like what you're saying, Jenny, how we've got like

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Speaker 2: frivolity at the fair and everyone's having a good time,

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Speaker 2: and then we're going back to like probably one of

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Speaker 2: the most serious things that's happened in the series. Like

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Speaker 2: that's not that's very serious.

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Speaker 1: What ee yeah, maybe somehow feel like suspenseful.

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Speaker 3: It makes me feel like bad for like being like, oh,

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Speaker 3: super excited by the carnival like teens, and then like oh.

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Speaker 2: And the Carnival's so colorful and the hospital's so gray

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Speaker 2: that you're like.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting. It was an interesting juxta position. Yes

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Speaker 1: about that.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it was my friend and nineteen ninety four. It

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Speaker 3: was pretty clever for back then. We were pretty straightforward

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Speaker 3: back then. Nowadays you would be like, oh, the color schemes,

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Speaker 3: the shifts and mood, like you would acpect it.

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Speaker 1: It was good. I don't know, but I liked it

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Speaker 1: when Kelly bread Carnival in the beginning able to say,

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Speaker 1: remember when Kelly said Dylan and he says, you got

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Speaker 1: a problem kill and she said not anymore.

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Speaker 3: Ooh, I love burn You're delivery. It was just so

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Speaker 3: good because that's like one of those lines that just

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Speaker 1: How many to one again?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're jump we're jumping out of order, but we

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Speaker 2: get the big review that Kelly has feelings for Brandon.

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Speaker 2: It comes too fast, like I didn't see get a

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Speaker 2: way for you to say it. Sorry, I'm ready for

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I love it, but I can't do fast

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Speaker 2: for me. Oh that's interesting. So you think in this

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Speaker 1: Think just in a story to telling, I just got

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Speaker 1: that story. Sorry, whoa delay? I think in the storytelling

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Speaker 1: see the character get there, so I didn't feel like

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Speaker 1: it was just off, like they woke up in bed together.

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Speaker 1: I was like, wait, what did I miss?

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Speaker 3: That? Actually was a huge disappointment for me. I just

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Speaker 3: as a fangirl, I just want to see every second

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Speaker 3: building and falling in love and.

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Speaker 1: Getting together like young love.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because they're so cute together, like she makes him

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Speaker 3: like he's stepping up becoming a man, and she can

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Speaker 3: and I love them together so much that it felt

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Speaker 2: So that's interesting what you're all talking about. Now, technically

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Speaker 2: we're only we haven't gotten there in this. If people

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Speaker 2: only watch the first half, they haven't seen it what

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Speaker 2: you know what talking about. But that's okay, that's okay.

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Speaker 2: People know that's okay. So I'm processing that what you're

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Speaker 2: saying in that you would have liked more build up

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Speaker 2: for this couple. And I actually think you're right, Like,

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Speaker 2: I guess you're right. Even when she reveals it to Andrea,

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Speaker 2: and I understood why she revealed and she's trying to like,

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Speaker 2: help her get help ANDREI get through this. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: almost like she's she's been feeling it, but she didn't

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Speaker 2: let us in.

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Speaker 1: On it, right, right, I feel like that was just

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Speaker 1: kind of a miss for the like the just the

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Speaker 1: defining of these two characters moving forward, Like you know,

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Speaker 1: it was the star of the show. Jason Brandon Walsh,

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Speaker 1: Like it's a big deal for him to go into

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Speaker 1: Now what's gonna I think become like a committed relationship

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Speaker 1: for a while until the point I can remember for

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Speaker 1: a little parts like the you know, the big thing

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Speaker 3: Like his first big relationship honestly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, with like a legitimate term.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's an aggressive betrayal to your best friend, meaning.

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Speaker 3: I know I wanted a little more, like I want to,

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Speaker 3: but I can't. I can't. We can't, we shan't.

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Speaker 2: Because there is bro code, right, So I'm not like

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Speaker 2: one of those people that's like, does this used to

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Speaker 2: But this is like way closer than that, right. It's

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Speaker 2: the same thing essentially that Kelly did to Brenda. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's like, is this appropriate to start dating your best

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I just feel like between Dylan and Kelly, the thing

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Speaker 3: that really held their relationship together was like intense passion.

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Speaker 3: There was that fire we loved when they had that together.

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Speaker 3: And with Brandon it's a little more not sweet, I

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Speaker 3: don't want to say sweet, but there's longevity there, Like Brandon,

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Speaker 3: you almost immediately see these two together and you're like,

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Speaker 3: I think I want you guys to get married one day,

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Speaker 3: So I just would love them to a waited. That's all.

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Speaker 3: You could have done that scene and shock people without

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Speaker 3: them having had sex.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I think it was a miss.

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Speaker 2: But again, I mean I could have had a cliffhanger

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Speaker 2: of her just getting to the plane and then we

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Speaker 2: wait till season five to.

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Speaker 3: Just start showing up and him being like, yes, all

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Speaker 1: But well, they were worried about other things. I feel

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Speaker 1: like they were really in the throes of figuring out,

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Speaker 1: you know, how did what This is Brenda's last episode,

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Speaker 1: you guys, right, right, I should have left that, we

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Speaker 1: should have led with that. This is like I think

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Speaker 1: this is the last time. This is these two episodes

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Speaker 1: last time we ever see Brenda Walsh.

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Speaker 2: That's right, That's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: I know, right, it's I hate it.

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Speaker 3: I don't want it to have and especially you know,

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Speaker 3: seeing that she and Dylan and Brenda steps up, She's

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Speaker 3: that's aggressive for Brenda like to be like, give me

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Speaker 3: something to come home to her. Whatever she says, I

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Speaker 1: Day and she never comes back.

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Speaker 3: Do you think they left it up in the air

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Speaker 3: that she would come back and hopefully they would resolve things,

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Speaker 2: I can only imagine that they were still hopeful at

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Speaker 1: I loved them together. See it again, Jen, I love

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I want more. I feel like we never got

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Speaker 2: I feel that same way about Kelly and Dylan. I

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Speaker 2: don't think they ever got same enough.

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Speaker 3: I should have had two more.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's what I'm thinking about. It's like kind

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Speaker 2: it's because I had summers and years, you know what

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Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like it was longer in time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's crazy to think, like because we

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Speaker 1: first time, Yeah, I care so much about these characters,

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Speaker 1: like that's how the fans felt, you know, and like you, guys,

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Speaker 1: I watched the two episodes of the other show something

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Speaker 1: about I'm Pretty now or oh the summary pretty the summary?

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Speaker 3: Love that show.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's loving it. Of course it's really good. I auditioned

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Speaker 1: for a Pardon It. I didn't get it, but anyway,

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Speaker 1: same you audition for Wild Dead mom Oh.

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Speaker 3: I auditioned for the ant Susie.

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Speaker 2: No way, you guys, that's.

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Speaker 1: Why it's really good. Anyways, the fans I care about

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Speaker 1: Conrad and Jeremiah, Like, I've only watched one season.

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Speaker 2: So that makes me think about nine O two one

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Speaker 2: oh people, I don't remember, but people must have been

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Speaker 3: Like I feel like there were tears amongst fans for sure.

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Speaker 2: I think they yeah, and no wonder Tiffany. Like as fans,

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Speaker 1: And it's just, you know, a lot of stuff. Life

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Speaker 2: Do you ever wish that you could have done like

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Speaker 2: I wonder if you all could have had it been

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that would have been amazing. I think

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Speaker 2: It could have changed the quality of the show. You

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Speaker 2: Friends didn't. It didn't And I think maybe it's because

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Speaker 3: I could say Friends jump the shark. Every show, in

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Speaker 3: be like single friends.

442
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 2: Like yeah, I guess that people do say when Joey

443
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:11,200
Speaker 2: and Rachel got together, But anyway, I think so can

444
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 2: you guys remember when you knew she wasn't coming back?

445
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 1: Nope, I cannot remember.

446
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,679
Speaker 3: And we've tried to talk about it, and because remember

447
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,880
Speaker 3: we weren't sure if we knew before or we were

448
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 3: told after. And I mean, we didn't just show up

449
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 3: season five and they're like, hey, Tiffany Eberthieson's here, and

450
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 3: we're like, what, Like we knew, But.

451
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 2: Do you guys think if you had it to do

452
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,119
Speaker 2: over again, that maybe you would have gone to the

453
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 2: executives or Shannon and said, like almost like having therapy,

454
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 2: like let's work this out so that we don't sacrifice

455
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 2: this magical show we have built.

456
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 1: We didn't have the wherewithal or that, you know, the bandwidth.

457
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 1: We didn't know enough about life to ask a question

458
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 1: like that. Now looking back, yes, we wish we could

459
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 1: have done that. I mean I do, but I do

460
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 1: too well. I wouldn't have. I didn't think that far.

461
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 1: I didn't think that big picture yet, you know.

462
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, well, and I guess the way you negotiating,

463
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 3: that's a very adult thing to be able to in

464
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 3: the moment when it's happening to all of you. You're

465
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 3: all just thrown into it, to be able to very

466
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 3: clearly see both sides and be fair.

467
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 2: It's well, and the way you're negotiating, you had to

468
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,120
Speaker 2: worry about paying your own bills right and taking care.

469
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 2: I don't know who had kids at this point or

470
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 2: paying your mortgage. So it is scary if you suddenly

471
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 2: are putting everything on the line to defend or help

472
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,160
Speaker 2: Shannon to stay, because what if they said, we'll find

473
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 2: then both of you go.

474
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 1: I never really thought about it.

475
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,880
Speaker 3: Like my dad fired me. I think I was safe.

476
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 3: I was safe. I was safe.

477
00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I really I didn't even think about that.

478
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 1: I didn't think about the bills that I had to say,

479
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: Like I'm one minute I was I think all of

480
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: us were sixteen, seventeen, eighteen years old, and the next

481
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 1: minute we were full blown adults with mortgages and car

482
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 1: payments and insurance and employees.

483
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 2: Can you guys remember when you found out Tiffany was coming.

484
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 2: I'm a little like, look, I like Tiffany's character, but

485
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 2: why did they even need her? There's enough of you

486
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,360
Speaker 2: that they could have just kept going with guest stars

487
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 2: and arcs, Like did you all feel they needed to

488
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 2: have someone come in?

489
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,120
Speaker 3: I remember this conversation that my dad had with them

490
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 3: that they felt like they needed a bad girl, that

491
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 3: there were good girls on the show, and just like

492
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 3: when they felt like they brought Dylan in because last minute,

493
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 3: because they needed a bad boy, because Brandon wasn't that,

494
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 3: So that's why Tiffany came in. And unfortunately it was

495
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 3: never set up that way for Brenda to be that,

496
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 3: but she kind of did become that kind of love

497
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 3: to hate character, I think in nine on two and zero.

498
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 3: So once that was missing, they felt like they needed

499
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 3: to go even.

500
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: Further interesting, I mean, did they just learn a brunette.

501
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 3: And maybe that too?

502
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 2: And how did you do you guys remember when you

503
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 2: found out it was it was Tiffany, because we obviously

504
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 2: learned from Chuck that Alyssa Milano was in the running.

505
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 2: Obviously there was many people, So when did you find

506
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 2: out that it was Tiffany? Quote replacing because everybody can

507
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 2: use whatever words they want, but that's what happened.

508
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: No one told us that she was going to be

509
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: coming on. It was just like, oh, okay, that's happening.

510
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,640
Speaker 3: And keep in mind, we knew her already.

511
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: Well.

512
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 3: I knew her from Saved by the Bell when I

513
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 3: was on, but we knew her predominantly because Brian and

514
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 3: Tiffany were dating in real life, so she was always

515
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 3: on the set, so we knew Tiffany well, like she

516
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 3: was there every day anyway.

517
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 2: So awkward.

518
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,919
Speaker 3: But then one day she was cast and just are

519
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 3: on screen co star and yeah, I don't remember that either.

520
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously, look, this was gonna have its challenges

521
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 2: no matter what for Tiffany, like it didn't matter who

522
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,439
Speaker 2: she was because she's coming into this thing replacing an

523
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 2: iconic character. You guys are probably like all having many emotions,

524
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 2: like it's gonna be really interesting to watch season five,

525
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 2: because I get it. If I were you all, i'd

526
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 2: be like, we don't want this new person coming in

527
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 2: here and kind of like stealing the thunder and coming

528
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 2: in as this bad girl.

529
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 3: It's like I never thought that.

530
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 2: I don't know, I would have been a little bitter.

531
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 3: I think at are, but you don't understand, like our

532
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 3: lives were just not normal. We could barely keep up.

533
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 3: It was like it was like constantly like.

534
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 2: Right ten, Yeah, I was just like that, and you

535
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 2: know what, like here we go again. It's like I

536
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 2: like Tiffany. I watch her cooking videos, but it doesn't

537
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 2: mean I have to like this character that's coming like

538
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 2: I want to be like because that always happens too

539
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 2: with these the fans. These everyone's such a big fan,

540
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 2: and I get it because I was in it myself.

541
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,959
Speaker 2: But it's okay to not like change or like this

542
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 2: character without It doesn't always have to be about Tiffany

543
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 2: or Shannon or Kathleen or whoever the passenger, right right, yeah,

544
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 2: because Valerie. I mean, we'll get there soon. It was

545
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 2: a little over the top, but we'll get there.

546
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: So anyway, well, I mean it's circling back. Yeah, that

547
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: this is Brenda Walsh's last episode. It's something I didn't

548
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: even think about until it was over, and then I

549
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: was like, huh, so was there?

550
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 2: There was no hugs, there was no cake, there was it.

551
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 1: Was not good.

552
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 3: I don't wonder her because here I was. I tried

553
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 3: to look back, like, you know, I guess you have nothing.

554
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 3: But since then, if you don't recall, you have nothing

555
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 3: but the press to jog your memory. And that's not

556
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 3: always true, right, It's not always the way it went down,

557
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 3: but we do feed into it. We're humans. So you

558
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 3: read press in your mind you think, oh, maybe it

559
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 3: was worse than we even thought it was. We don't know.

560
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 3: And so I was even looking in this episode, like,

561
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 3: you know, Shannon and I had been friends in real life,

562
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 3: so I was like, is there.

563
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 2: Well, weren't you guys really good friends, like.

564
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 3: Really good friends. We became less good friends near the

565
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 3: end with the relationship she was in, and I think

566
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 3: it was because of that a lot. But I looked

567
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 3: back in this episode to see like where we separated

568
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 3: and we were like holding hands and LinkedIn arms, and

569
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, we were in a good spot

570
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 3: during this one, And then I remembered filming that carnival

571
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 3: scene and things were good between us. So I don't know.

572
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,239
Speaker 3: I feel like Jen, we weren't completely told until it

573
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 3: was over in There's no way kind of they had

574
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 3: that moment to say goodbye.

575
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 2: So again I wish someone would remember. But I feel

576
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 2: like this this shit the bucket over the summer, because otherwise,

577
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 2: how could you even do the episode the way the

578
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 2: episode is.

579
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, Yeah, you wouldn't have made it that way.

580
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they could have. It could have been like

581
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 3: things before and you come back season five and she's like,

582
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 3: I couldn't do it. I just couldn't go to London.

583
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 3: I want to stay because of Dylan. Now right, technically,

584
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 3: of course, right.

585
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 2: Is amazing cliffhanger to think she's leaving, and fans are

586
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 2: pressed all summer and then she comes back.

587
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 3: So what happens? Who do we ask?

588
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 2: Nobody remembers or they won't claim it to. Nobody wants to,

589
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 2: nobody wants to like own it.

590
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: I'm glad that, I swear to God, I'm glad that

591
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: I'm not the only one who doesn't remember. Oh that does.

592
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 3: And I think I don't remember that because it was

593
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 3: an unbelo believably hard time because it was not working

594
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 3: on set between everyone. But on the other hand, I

595
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 3: felt bad because I was friends with her, and so

596
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 3: I think I blocked it out. Like so I can't

597
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 3: remember how it ends. I have no idea.

598
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 2: Well, and I wonder if it was so tumultuous that

599
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 2: at the end of taping this finale, you guys were like, oh,

600
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 2: thank god it's summer, Like I need a break from

601
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 2: all this.

602
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: I don't remember either. That's weird, Like why don't we remember?

603
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 2: Maybe there's a technical term trauma trauma block it out.

604
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 2: You block it if stuff is bad, you're literally block

605
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 2: it out.

606
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: But on the other hand, there are horrible things in

607
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: my mind that I can never stop seeing. Why can't

608
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: I block that?

609
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 3: Trauma? Blocking is a real term. It's an effort to

610
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 3: block out and overwhelmed residual painful feelings due to trauma.

611
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 3: And painful feelings doesn't have to be when you think

612
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 3: of trauma something major. It could be like I'm torn,

613
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 3: or I feel bad or I have loved but there's

614
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 3: this But what's.

615
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: It called.

616
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 3: Trauma blocking?

617
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm trauma blocking. Sorry, sorry, I don't remember. I'm

618
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: trauma blocked.

619
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 2: Maybe we should have a hypnotist on and get it

620
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 2: out of you, guys. It's kind of cool, all right,

621
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 2: I've seen him do it on Criminal Minds. Next week

622
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 2: we'll watch it with fun. Well, well, we've got this

623
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 2: part done and next week we can watch the full

624
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 2: finale and talk about it with all the.

625
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: Good of what. Okay, sorry, everybody, we really did. We

626
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: jumped the shark right there, that's what we did. I

627
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: love you guys. Yeah. By