1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,720 Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Giant Subtle Podcast. John 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: Schmolke with you today. We're gonna be joining very shortly 3 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:08,720 Speaker 1: by Steve Paulozolo from Pro Football Focus. But first a reminder. 4 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: The John Suttle Podcast is brought to you by psc 5 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: and G Energy Efficiency For game time and anytime, visit 6 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: p SEG dot com slash Giants for discounts, rebates and 7 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: home energy assessments. It's time to get inside the Giants 8 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: hunt on giants dot com the Giants Podcast Network. All right, folks, 9 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: we haven't talked to one of our friends from Pro 10 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 1: Football Focus in a while, so I figured now is 11 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,559 Speaker 1: a good time, with the Giants playing well to kind 12 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 1: of get their take on why and how it is happening, 13 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: and to do that in front of the program. Steve 14 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: Palozolo joined us from Pro Football Focus. Now we're recording 15 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: this Tuesday morning. Steve, My guess is that when this 16 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: airs on Wednesday, I could say the Yankees could have 17 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 1: used and used your used you in their bullpen in 18 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,319 Speaker 1: Game five against Cleveland. Um, how are you, man? It's 19 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: good to see you, and how's this season treating you? 20 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: Doing great? For ship you having me and I'll say this, 21 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: I don't think you want me coming out of the 22 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: bullpen in a game five deciding games, so I think 23 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: I think the Acles will be all right. Yeah, well 24 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: we hope so hopefully people Yankee fans will be happy 25 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,320 Speaker 1: when they listen to this on Wednesday. Steve. So, I'm 26 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: gonna start with a very broad question, and you could 27 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: take any direction you want. The Giants are one of 28 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: three teams that are five and one, Eagles only undefeated team. Obviously, 29 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: how the heck have they done that? Go? I don't know, 30 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: good interview, good, you know, glad, I'm a good addition 31 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: to the show. I mean, look, um uh not Traditionally 32 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: I would say, right, you know, most wins, you can 33 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 1: you can point to specific things where uh, you know, 34 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: the offense is humming or it's you know, it's it's 35 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: such a past driven league. But the Giants are just 36 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: winning in different ways, you know, whether it's you know, 37 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: late game magic against the Baltimore Ravens, a little bit 38 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,639 Speaker 1: of luck with Lamar Jackson. You get the bad snap 39 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: and then he forces one with the Julian Love interception. Uh, 40 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: you have a game like the Packers obviously, where their 41 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: their downten at the half. But they just hang tough, man, 42 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: They hang tough and they make they make some key 43 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: plays down the stretch. Um or even just a week 44 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: one game going for two against the Titans. Right these 45 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 1: little things are adding up two wins for the Giants. 46 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: So look, I don't want to diminish their five and 47 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: one start at all, But you're not You're not looking 48 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: at this saying wow, the Giants are one of the 49 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: most dominant teams in the NFL. Or they have this 50 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: incredible X Y or Z. Just I think you know, 51 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: every single week they hang tough, they keep it close, 52 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: and right now, when it comes to the end of 53 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: the game, they're making the places and the other teams 54 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: are not. And so that's what it's coming down to 55 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: in simplest terms, I think as far as the Giants 56 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: being five and one right now, Yeah, and how much 57 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 1: do you attribute some of that at least to coaching 58 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:51,359 Speaker 1: in terms of game playing to get the most out 59 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: of the town on their roster on both sides of 60 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: the ball. I mean, I think that's where it is, right. 61 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: I Mean a lot of what we do with PFF 62 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 1: is grading every player on every play, right, So, um, 63 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: a lot of times when you look at UM the 64 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: grades and look the Giant the Giants, again, they're not 65 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 1: dominating there. We're not looking at this saying, hey, they're 66 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: They're one of the highest graded teams in the NFL. 67 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: They're not m Vegas when they set lines. They don't 68 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: believe in the Giants necessarily because they don't have dominant talent. 69 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: It's it's not there. But we usually bridge that gap 70 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: with with coaching, with late game decision making, with some 71 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: way of getting the most out of the scheme. Like 72 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: when you look at a Wink Martindale scheme, you know, 73 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 1: they they do create so much pressure, a lot of 74 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: unblocked pressure right there. They're they're blitzing so much UM 75 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: and that is a team centric thing, right So that 76 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: is probably one of the things that the Giants are 77 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: doing well is creating that havoc, creating just enough in 78 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: decision for quarterbacks that that Lamar is making late game 79 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: turnovers and that Aaron Rodgers is getting passes batted down 80 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: at the goal line. Right So, um, that's one of 81 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: those things you could attribute it to. And yeah, so 82 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: I think for right now, absolutely, you've got to give 83 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: a ton of credit to the coaching staff the defensive 84 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: schemes and the creativity on offense as well to tap 85 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: into what they have from a playmaker situation, because it 86 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: could be dire on the offensive side and it's not great, 87 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: but they're finding a way to get players involved into 88 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: just enough there. Yeah, they're averaging twenty one points per game. 89 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: It's kind of right smack in the middle of league 90 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:19,559 Speaker 1: with the way it's going. And the amazing thing, Steve 91 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: is that look, usually when you get teams off to 92 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: a record, you don't suspect well, maybe it was the schedule. Well, 93 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: the Giants have beat Tennessee, Green Band Baltimore. Are they 94 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:28,359 Speaker 1: the you know, a leader of the elite? No, but 95 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 1: they're good, solid NFL franchise with a history of success. 96 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: You know. Has it been a big turnover differential thing. Yeah, 97 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 1: the Giants are on the positive side, but it's not crazy. 98 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: And then all right, maybe it's a bunch of explosive plays. Well, 99 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: certainly not that the Giants and fifteen plus yard passing 100 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: plays last in the league on past attempts of twenty 101 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: yards or more. That's why are you guys over at 102 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: PFF just ten all year and they've come back against 103 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: those three teams with two score deficits in the second half, 104 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 1: something this team is not designed to do. And I 105 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 1: think the is anything to me is that they've done 106 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 1: it by sticking with the run game in the second half. 107 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: You don't see many comebacks powered by the run game, 108 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: but I think that's kind of how the Giants have 109 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: done it here, and at least against the Ravens, there 110 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 1: weren't even any explosive runs. Barkley didn't have a ten 111 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 1: plus yard running the game. So it's just very different, 112 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 1: and it's it's kind of hard to compute a little 113 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: bit for us out have watched this for a long time. Yeah, 114 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 1: that's why I don't ask me. I don't know none 115 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: of it, None of it makes sense. But look again, 116 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: I think you know, Daniel Jones has played well. He's 117 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: played a fishing football the last couple of weeks. I 118 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: think the other element that Jones is added not in 119 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 1: every game, but the run game from from from the quarterback, 120 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: you know, that is one of those things I describe 121 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 1: it on our on the p f F NFL podcast, 122 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: a lot I described quarterback running as raising the floor 123 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 1: of your offense um, whereas you know Lamar Jackson is 124 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: probably he's kind of the guy in the in the 125 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: in the offense for the Ravens. But it got like 126 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts with how how often the Eagles are using 127 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 1: him the Giants and Daniel Jones. It just raises your floor. 128 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: You don't need to have this precision passing attack if 129 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: you start converting third downs, just a few third downs 130 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: with your legs. You add the designed run game in 131 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 1: there and pick up some yards so it doesn't have 132 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 1: to look as pretty. If the quarterbacks involved in the 133 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 1: run game. I think that's a factor. I think the 134 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: way they're using Sae Kwon Barkley, the direct snap stuff, 135 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: and um, you know, finding a way for him to 136 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 1: just create key explosive plays. Right, He's created explosive place 137 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: at the right time against the Packers or whatever it 138 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: might have been. So um again, it's tough to put 139 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: your finger on it and say, hey, here's this thing 140 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 1: that they're doing that's gonna be sustainable forever. Enjoy it. 141 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: It's five and one. They're finding a way. Um. And 142 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: the good part is, I mean I still think they're rebuilding, right, 143 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: I mean the Giants are still rebuilding. There's still talents 144 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: to add here, but it's a lot more fun to 145 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,359 Speaker 1: win while you're rebuilding then to lose while you're rebuilding. 146 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 1: So um again, I think you've got to credit the 147 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: staff and you know how they're maximizing the talent that's 148 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 1: on the field right now. Yeah, you mentioned sa Kwon 149 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 1: bark Let's talk about him. I haven't recalculated this, but 150 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 1: heading into the Ravens game, Steve, the Giants had ten 151 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 1: offensive touchdowns this year. On six of those ten touchdown drives, 152 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: Sakoon Barkley had a play of twenty nine yards or more. 153 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: So to say he was a big part of their 154 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: touchdown drives would be an understatement. You know, how much 155 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: do you contribute attribute the success of the offense to 156 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: Barkley and how much is it improved run blocking, because 157 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: quite frankly, I don't remember it was last year. The 158 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: year before, there was a point midway through the year 159 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: where Barkley had more yards after contact than he had yards, 160 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: which usually is not a great sign that the offensive 161 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: line is blocking particularly well. Those numbers are a lot 162 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: better this year, So how do you look at that 163 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: and the improved Giants run game? Is it Barkley being healthy. 164 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: Is that the run blocking? Is it both? How do 165 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: you guys view that? Well, I think it's definitely both. 166 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 1: I mean, the run blocking is definitely better than it's 167 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: been in previous years. The pass blocking is better than 168 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: it's been in previous years. I know they've had some struggles, 169 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: you know, at times, but you see Andrew Thomas, you know, 170 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: one of the best tackles in the league right now 171 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: at left tackle. But I think with Barkley it's always 172 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: been an issue of he's not the most efficient down 173 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: for down runner um. He's not a guy that really 174 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: just gets four or five every single time. I know 175 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: the average ends up there, but he is the guy 176 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: that creates explosive plays and and he's when when you 177 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: when you take a se Kwon Barkley, it's like, look, 178 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: is he a little dependent on his run blocking? I 179 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: think he is. You know, I think I think a 180 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: Nick Chubb with the Browns, even though he's had good 181 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: run blocking in Cleveland, Nick Chubb creates a little bit 182 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: more when nothing is there. He's the guy that kind 183 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: of creates a four yard game where where nothing is there. 184 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: And Nick Chubb also has explosive ability, But I think 185 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: Barkley is as good as it gets when it comes 186 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: to if you block it up and give him a increase, 187 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: he will create that big play, right, And that's really 188 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: what we've seen early in the season is se Kwon Barkley. 189 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: You know, you just stick with it, stick with it, 190 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,719 Speaker 1: and before you know it, here's a thirty yard or 191 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: here's a forty yard er. Here's his big play. And 192 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: even though he didn't have that against the Ravens, necessarily 193 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: that has generally been the trend for Barkley when he's 194 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: been healthy, a game where he's kind of trudging along, 195 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: trudging along, but they stick with it, Barkley creates a 196 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: big play. So yeah, I think overall the run blocking 197 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: has been better, say Kwan Barkley being healthy has been awesome, 198 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 1: and you see the the explosiveness, whether it's in the 199 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: past game or in the run game. He is their 200 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: playmaker right now that they can count on for an explosive, 201 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: you know, at least once or twice a game. Yeah, 202 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 1: I'll get to the offensive line. You mentioned that, but 203 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: Steve always seeing a trend in the league generally of 204 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: a shift a little bit more towards the running game. 205 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 1: With all these two high safety defenses and you know, 206 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: teams basically threatening you look, run the ball. We're not 207 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: gonna let you get big plays down the field. Are 208 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: we seeing a shift here? And is that one of 209 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 1: the things that's working in the giants favor where you know, 210 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: they don't really have the you know, horses outside and 211 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:44,319 Speaker 1: we'll talk about it to throw deep where everyone is 212 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:46,599 Speaker 1: running these two safety high defense stuff now and that 213 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: kind of plays into what the Giants are good at. 214 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: Is this something that we're gonna see around the league 215 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:51,839 Speaker 1: where it's gonna become a little bit more of a 216 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: running league now with the way defenses are playing. Yeah, 217 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 1: it feels like that's one of the ebbs and flows 218 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: right now, which is why I think you have some 219 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: teams that are winning ugly right You know that that 220 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:05,439 Speaker 1: are you know, quote unquote quote unquote winning ugly. Um 221 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: And I used that it's an endearing term, winning ugly, 222 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 1: because the whole league is ugly right now. Tom Brady 223 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: said it a couple of weeks ago. It's ugly football. 224 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: We just you know, we just saw Monday night football. 225 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: We just saw the last two Thursday night games. You 226 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: know they are there's some ugly offensive games. So I 227 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: do think the league is the parody that is showing 228 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: up in the league right now. I think is as 229 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 1: much schematic as it is talents. Right. It is what 230 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 1: kind of what you're describing as teams are saying, Okay, 231 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: put together a fifteen play drive, right, take the short passes, 232 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: run the ball against us. We're not going to give 233 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 1: up those explosive plays. It trended like this a little 234 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 1: bit last year where teams were playing more zone, they 235 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,439 Speaker 1: were throwing the ball underneath, but this is an extreme 236 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: this year. This this was a thing that was like, uh, 237 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 1: you know, the antidote to Patrick Mahomes and the explosive 238 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 1: Chiefs offense. But it's not just for Mahomes. The Cincinnati 239 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 1: Bengals have struggled with it. This is how they're attacking 240 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow and their explosive passing attack. This out teams 241 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: are attacking everybody. So yeah, I think there is this 242 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 1: element of short pass game in the run game now 243 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,319 Speaker 1: being a little bit more important in this particular ebb 244 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 1: and flow of the league. And it takes teams. Again, 245 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: no offense to the Giants, but teams with lesser rosters, 246 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: they have a they have a lesser roster from a 247 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: talent standpoint compared to others, but it is helping. It 248 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: is helped helping to bridge the gap and you know, 249 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: level the playing field just a little bit. This year. 250 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 1: You mentioned the offensive line, Steve, have the Giants successfully 251 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,839 Speaker 1: creep back towards average? Here? Are are they there? I 252 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: don't know if I have our official rankings directly in 253 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: front of me, but that is that is one of 254 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: our axioms, right, just don't be the worst, don't be bad, 255 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: don't be bottom ten as an offensive line, and I 256 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: think they have been able to get back towards that 257 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: middle of the pact type of range. You know. I 258 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: mentioned Andrew Thomas. I think he's still highest graded tackle 259 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 1: for US. UM. Incredible turnaround to his career so far. UM. 260 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: And look, it's not without issues up front. Evan Neil's 261 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,559 Speaker 1: had some growing pains, I think as a rookie, UM 262 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: they still have. They still have some questions up runs, 263 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: But overall, I think they've done a nice job. I 264 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: think some of their you know, periphery blocking has been 265 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: has been good as well, you know, tapping into you know, 266 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 1: the tight ends and everything. Yeah, I mean they they've 267 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: been good in those Again, those those things that I'm 268 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: not going to talk about in like a season preview, 269 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: right your you might talk you get into, you know, 270 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 1: depth about the whole roster, but I'm probably not going 271 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: to talk about the blocking tight ends. But little things 272 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 1: like that, I think the Giants have done a really 273 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: good job of and the offensive line has definitely been 274 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: better than it's been in previous years. And you can 275 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: you can talk more about Andrew Thomas if you want, 276 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 1: but you know, I think it's it speaks and you 277 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: guys talk about it takes offensive linemen some time sometimes 278 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: you know that that's a two to three year position. 279 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:42,839 Speaker 1: And I think Andrew, you know, Evan you know, excuse me, 280 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: you know, he had that really rough Indians Dallas, but 281 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 1: I think Steve otherwise, he's probably been okay. And I 282 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:51,199 Speaker 1: realized they've given him help, They've tipped a lot and 283 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:52,839 Speaker 1: stuff like that. I wonder how you guys kind of 284 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: include that in terms of how you great, um, But 285 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:57,959 Speaker 1: I think Evan Neal has been okay. You know, he's 286 00:12:58,000 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: had some rough spots like you would you would expect, 287 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: but I think you would assume as he gets more 288 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: and more experience he's going to turn into a good 289 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: starting right tackle down the road. Yeah. I mean, as 290 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 1: far as grading goes will we're not necessarily accounting for situation. 291 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: It's something we can kind of pull out after the 292 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 1: fact and say, hey, this guy graded well. However, you know, 293 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:16,679 Speaker 1: here's how much help he had or here's how much 294 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: he was on an island. I think with Andrew Thomas, Yeah, 295 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 1: I mean I say this a ton, which is offensive 296 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 1: line is one of those things I think fans expect 297 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: every player to get better. Like it's a Madden game 298 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: right where it's you start low and then you move up, 299 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: and you move up and buy year four, you're better. 300 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: You just get better every year. And that's not really 301 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: the truth and NFL player evaluation. But with offensive line, 302 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: it's close. Um, offensive linemen, you do actually see them 303 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: as they get closer to two thousand snaps, they can 304 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: show improvement. As they get into years three and four, 305 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: they can show improvement. We saw Andrew Thomas have a 306 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 1: really rough first eight to ten games whatever that was 307 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: his workie year, but since that point, incremental improvement and 308 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: this year a big jump forward. Um, we liked him 309 00:13:58,160 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: a ton coming out of Georgia I thought he was. 310 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: I thought he was the best all around pass blocker 311 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: and run blocker coming out of that draft class that 312 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 1: included Tristan Worse, included those other first round tackles, and 313 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: I think Thomas is starting to live up to that 314 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: and Evan Neil, I think it is similar. In this 315 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: draft class, I felt like the best combination of Hey, 316 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: this guy can do it in pass pro, this guy 317 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: can do it in the run game. Charles Cross was 318 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: a little bit more of a pass blocker and ikey 319 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: Ikwana was more of a run blocker. But I think 320 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: Evan Neil eventually becomes that total package as well. It's 321 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: just it does take time and definitely encouraging for the Giants. 322 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: That looks like they will have their book end tackles 323 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: for a while and you just probably have some work 324 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: to do on the interior. But yeah, I think Evin 325 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: Neil will be just fine. You know. In short order, 326 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: all let's talk about Daniel Jones. You mentioned how he's 327 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: grading Steve and I wonder how you guys parsed through 328 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: this because we're having trouble here because the Giants have 329 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: to on our shows. The Giants did to make a 330 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: big decision on Daniel Jones after the year right these 331 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: his contracts up, they didn't pick up his fifth year option. 332 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: What they're asking him to do, He's doing very well. 333 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: He's being efficient, he's not turned the ball over. He's 334 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: been pretty accurate, especially the last two weeks, and they're 335 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: moving the ball in their winning football games. But at 336 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: the same time, they're not asking him to do a lot. 337 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: I think you guys have what two big time throws 338 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: this year or something like that, And as I mentioned earlier, 339 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: fewest passes over twenty yards in the air attempts in 340 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: the NFL in terms of team wise, So how do 341 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: you parse the guy where he's really executing the coaches 342 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: game plan. Well, he's making really good decisions, but he's 343 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: really not having to make those big explosive plays and 344 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: he hasn't done that. So how do you view Jones 345 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: through that kind of odd prism? Yeah, I mean I 346 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: think on one level, we try to evaluate, you know, 347 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: at what he's trying to do right, and you know, 348 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: from a grading standpoint, he's been solid, especially the last 349 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: three games. Um, So that's that's one thing you can do. 350 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: The other the other issue, and unfortunately it's four years 351 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: in a row. Now, for Daniel Jones, it's trying to 352 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: separate the quarterback from from what their supporting cast really is. 353 00:15:56,200 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: And Josh Allen is an extreme k ease. But if 354 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: you go back to Josh Allen's career, he wasn't good 355 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 1: as a rookie. He got a little bit better in 356 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: the year two. He took the big jump in the 357 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: year three. Meanwhile, the Bill's roster around him is just skyrocketing. 358 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: The offensive line got better. They added stay Stefon Diggs, 359 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: they added John Brown, they added Cole Beasley, and all 360 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: of a sudden, it's like, wow, he's got three legit 361 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: playmakers to throw too. With with Daniel Jones, it's like 362 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: they went from they had some playmakers, but they all 363 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: were hurt the off but the offensive lines and issue 364 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: as well. And now this year it's like, Okay, who 365 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: who is he throwing to? What's going on? I mean, 366 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: if if Aaron Rodgers was throwing to the guys that 367 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is throwing too, it would be a national 368 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: story like the Packers have failed Aaron Rodgers. Packers are 369 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: not giving him the weapons he needs to go win 370 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl. So we do have to you know, 371 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: give Daniel Jones that same uh not pass, but you've 372 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: got to look at it through that lens as much 373 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: as possible. That Okay, he's probably not going to create 374 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: explosive plays, right unless he's just forcing it to Darius 375 00:16:57,880 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: Slayton down the field over and over again. But that's 376 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: not they're doing so um at the same time, a 377 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: guy that's just playing game manager role and adding a 378 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:08,640 Speaker 1: little bit of value on the run in the run 379 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: game and all that stuff. I don't think that's the 380 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:12,679 Speaker 1: guy that you want to tie thirty million dollars too, 381 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 1: because you know, the going rate for the next quarterback, 382 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 1: no matter who it is, is gonna be thirty to 383 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: forty million, right, forty million for the best, thirty million 384 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: for your second tier. So it's a challenge, right, I mean, 385 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 1: the Giants have to look around and say, can we 386 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 1: get someone else to execute this type of offense? But 387 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: more importantly, like the Giants don't want to be here 388 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 1: three years from now running this offense, right, you can't. 389 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 1: You can't win. You're not gonna win consistently in the 390 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 1: NFL scoring twenty one points a game, right, I know 391 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: we're sitting here in weeks heading into weeks seven, it's 392 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,640 Speaker 1: five and one, feeling good. You're not gonna win consistently 393 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 1: in the NFL scoring twenty one points a game, So 394 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 1: whether that's Daniel Jones, whether that's the offensive line a 395 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: little bit still, whether that's the playmakers, it's a combination 396 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:51,120 Speaker 1: of those things. But the question is, where's my quarterback 397 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: that's gonna get us to twenty five points a game? 398 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: And how are we going to build around him to 399 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: do that? So it's good right now, good job executing, 400 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: but I still don't think we've seen enough. Jones is 401 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 1: the guy that you want to build around going forward? 402 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: And I think the endless question then Steve, is he 403 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: if he if it was better around him, could he 404 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: be that guy that gets you a game? And I'm 405 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: not sure we've been put in the situation to have 406 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: that answer for sure, But it's hard to continue to 407 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: just kicking the can to to wait and see, wait 408 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: and see. So I think it's I think Joe Shane 409 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: is gonna have a tough decision after the year, especially 410 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:22,679 Speaker 1: they keep winning games, right, they're not gonna be a 411 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: position to trap the quarterback in the top five or 412 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: top ten if even they finished with eight nine wins, 413 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 1: whatever it is, and you know, do you maybe try 414 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 1: to do one more year and continue to see I 415 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 1: think it's gonna be a tough needle to thread for 416 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 1: Joe Shane when he kind of makes that call at 417 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 1: the end of the season. Yeah, we've seen other teams 418 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 1: in this position, which the Indianapolis Colts have done this 419 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:44,439 Speaker 1: for the last five years. It's kind of, you know, 420 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 1: grab Philip Rivers for a year and grab Carson Wentz 421 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 1: essentially for a year, and now they're onto Matt Ryan. 422 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: We've seen We've seen Washington kind of do this a 423 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,360 Speaker 1: little bit. They grabbed Brian Fitzpatrick for a year last year. 424 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: And even when they did draft, it was Dwayne Haskins 425 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: in the middle of that round in two thousand nineteen, 426 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: and Haskins was never really high end prospect, but he 427 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: was good enough to go in the first Uh. It's 428 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: a really tough position to be in. But I think 429 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: in today's NFL. Again, no offense to Daniel Jones, but 430 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,400 Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of Daniel Jones caliber quarterbacks 431 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: out there. I think there's a lot of quarterbacks who 432 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: if you're just straight ranking them one to thirty two, 433 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: not necessarily what they're doing through six games, but what 434 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: they're doing, what they've done, and what you expect them 435 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 1: to do going forward. I think you'd put Daniel Jones 436 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 1: in that one to thirty range right in today's NFL 437 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: eighteen to thirty range. And I think there's a chunk 438 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: of those guys who are all capable starters. So it 439 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 1: makes it really difficult to pluck one of those guys 440 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: out and say, Okay, that's the guy we're gonna pay, 441 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 1: when maybe some of those guys are available a little 442 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: bit cheaper, whatever it might be. So yeah, it's it's 443 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: it's a really it's a really tricky situation. And like 444 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: I said, because because the receiver situation is so uneasy, uh, 445 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 1: you're not probably going to get a pure evaluation of 446 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: Jones as a passer still, you know, and what he 447 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: could do with those with those high end playmakers and 448 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 1: see the last thing on the offense before we jump 449 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: over the wink, you know, I think the one thing 450 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: I underestimated with the addition of Brian Dable and Mike Kafka, 451 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,199 Speaker 1: they've been able to create some easy stuff for Jones 452 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: and more importantly, this wide receiver group, right, they haven't 453 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: asked them to go out there and win one on 454 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: one on the on the perimeter and against the corner. 455 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: You know, they've used play action. I didn't check after 456 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 1: the Baltimore game, but I know they had run more 457 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 1: play action passes than any other team heading into the 458 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: Baltimore game, and a lot of rollouts, you know, scheme 459 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: things up. And I think this the this coach used 460 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: to have creating the easy stuff to allow this offense 461 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: to move the ball. Despite the fact the wide receiver 462 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,919 Speaker 1: situation has been a mess. As we've talked about, I 463 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,400 Speaker 1: think it's been really really impressive and frankly, I didn't 464 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 1: think they would be able to do the world that's 465 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:49,640 Speaker 1: consistently given the wide receiver situation. Yeah, I mean those 466 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,199 Speaker 1: are those are NFL cheat codes that you have to 467 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,120 Speaker 1: tap into and and and that, and that is great. 468 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: I know, it's it's kind of the opposite of what 469 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 1: the narrative was when Jason Garrett was calling players. It's like, 470 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: why not just throw a guy in motion and it 471 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 1: does help open things up? Why not run play action? 472 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: It does open things up? Um, that that is I mean, 473 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: we we saw that with Brian Dable with um with 474 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: Josh Allen in in Buffalo, there were games when even 475 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: when Alan was starting to he's trying to figure it out, 476 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 1: they would just come out and throw the ball twenty 477 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 1: two straight times or whatever it was, just because that 478 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: was the advantage, right, that was the advantage they had 479 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 1: in that game against a a really good run defense. 480 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: And that is important I think as a play caller 481 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 1: not to just get into this, Hey, this is what 482 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,239 Speaker 1: we do. We're just gonna execute well. The Giants if 483 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 1: they just try to execute I don't think it's gonna 484 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: go well over time. So you do have to tap 485 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,880 Speaker 1: into play action, tap into moving the pocket, tap into 486 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones and his rushing ability, and all that adds 487 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 1: up to Yeah, they're stitching it together and creating much 488 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: better offense than I think, you know, most of the 489 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,199 Speaker 1: league would have expected. All right, let's let's jump over 490 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: the defenseide of the ball. Stephen you know, wing Barton Dale. 491 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: I think heading into the year, if if you told 492 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: me that this would be the cornerback situation outside of 493 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: the Dory, Jackson and Robinson's been out of the line 494 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: of Darnia Holmes has been healthy. Fabian more Row, you know, 495 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: was basically picked up off the scrap peep and and 496 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: and he's been a guy that's now he played every 497 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: snap against the Ravens last week, you know, given wink 498 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 1: and he's still playing a lot of Cover one. And 499 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,360 Speaker 1: I'll talk about his bo schemes in a second. How 500 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 1: the heck is he doing this against? You know, Aaron Rodgers, 501 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,199 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, Ryan Tanniel with the cornerback group that he's 502 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: had the roll out there this year. Yeah, I mean 503 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: it's it's it's definitely impressive. You've seen that. You know. 504 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 1: It's just like on offense, you are you're maximizing what 505 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: you have. Defensively, Um, you're in your right. I mean 506 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 1: this this scheme in Baltimore, they knew where the investment 507 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: needed to go, right. It was Marlon Humphrey in the 508 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,120 Speaker 1: first round, it was Marcus Peters. They were rolling three 509 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 1: deep on paper every year at cornerback, and it felt 510 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: like the Giants were, you know, especially after losing James Bradberry, 511 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: it felt like, hey, you're away here to you know, 512 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: get a compliment to a Dorri Jackson and um and 513 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:56,479 Speaker 1: get some talent there. But they've done a good job there. 514 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: You're you're getting a career year from Dexter Lawrence upfront, 515 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: Leonard Williams and he's healthy, is really solid as well. Um, 516 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: so I think that certainly helps. But yeah, it's just 517 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: it's creating enough in decision from quarterbacks and you know, 518 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,199 Speaker 1: just that that's what it comes down to. You know, 519 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,640 Speaker 1: you're creating in decision as the rest of the league 520 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: is trending like we're saying, it's a four man rush 521 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,880 Speaker 1: too high, creating enough in decision for quarterbacks that um, 522 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: it's making life. He's making life difficult, making some of 523 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,639 Speaker 1: those completions more difficult. And I think that's what we're 524 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: seeing so far doing Miss Giants Football MetLife Stadium. Limited 525 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 1: tickets are available for all remaining home games, including a 526 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: matchup with the Eagles. Visit Giants dot com slash take 527 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 1: us to find your game this season and secure your seat. 528 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: And Steve, I know the blitz numbers and the metrics 529 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:44,880 Speaker 1: say that Wink is still blitzing all the time. He's 530 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 1: sending guys, but my sense watching it is that it's 531 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: not quite as an aggressive blitz package as you saw 532 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: what he used in Baltimore. So I don't think we're 533 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 1: seeing quite as many cover zeros. These guys aren't quite 534 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: on an island as much. I think they're playing a 535 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 1: little bit more off. So maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you 536 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: guys see something in data that I'm not seeing with 537 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 1: my eyes. And look, I didn't watch the Ravens every week, 538 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,439 Speaker 1: so maybe my impression of what they were doing was wrong. 539 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: But it seems like while he's still doing a lot 540 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 1: of this blitz stuff, it's not he's not quite putting 541 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: as much pressure on this secondary as he had in 542 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: prior years with the Ravens. Yeah, I think that's what 543 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 1: I'm saying. I don't have the numbers handy right off 544 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: the top of my head, but I think with you know, 545 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: with Lamar Jackson, they blitz the bunch, but it wasn't 546 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: it wasn't pure cover zero. It wasn't. It wasn't like, 547 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: you know, we're blitz in six and there's you know, 548 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 1: there's Bourn coverage and a lot of five man guys, 549 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: a lot of five man pressures. Yeah. Yeah, And and 550 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 1: like I said, I think that, Um, the way I 551 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: would describe his scheme with the Ravens was you're not 552 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: necessarily relying on winning one on ones. So as much 553 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 1: as it's nice to have a cave On Thibodeau and 554 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 1: he makes a huge play on Sunday, and you want 555 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 1: to have a pass rusher that that wins one on ones. 556 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 1: The Ravens did a really good job of breeding effective 557 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: edge rushers because they were getting they were just getting 558 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: one on one matchups. You couldn't slide doubles and and 559 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 1: it did just enough to screw up protection. So like 560 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: a Matthew Judean, who's a very good player, becomes like 561 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: a thirteen sack guy and he got paid and he's 562 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 1: going to New England. But the Ravens would kind of 563 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: rotate through these guys that would have these huge stack 564 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: totals who maybe weren't great one on one pass rushers. 565 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 1: So that's what you're doing, is it is creating one 566 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: on ones for your pass rushers. So a guy like 567 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,159 Speaker 1: Dextra Lawrence can eat Cavon Thibodeau. I think it is 568 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: going to continue to improve and put up big numbers. 569 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: But you're making life easier for those guys, and in turn, yeah, 570 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,639 Speaker 1: you're not if you're not leaving your corners on an island. 571 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: You know they know the ball is coming out quickly, 572 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: they can react, they can tackle, they can break on 573 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 1: the ball, try to break up a pass whatever it 574 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 1: might be. So um, that's look, the aggressiveness does get 575 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: burnt sometimes, right, you're gonna give up some big place 576 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,120 Speaker 1: here and there. But for right now, working pretty well. 577 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 1: And you just see what it does to opposing pass 578 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: protection schemes because you create enough free rushers that it 579 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,640 Speaker 1: creates some havoc and you know, some times those plays 580 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: go your way. And the question I've asked here to 581 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,119 Speaker 1: Stephen is how much do you think they've benefited from 582 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 1: while they faced a couple good quarterbacks with Rogers and 583 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson and go back to Ryan tanney Hill. You know, 584 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 1: if you look at the wide receiver groups the Giants 585 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: have faced this year Tennessee, Carolina, Chicago, Green Bay, Baltimore 586 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: and then throw Dallas and they've ceedee Lamb. Sure, but 587 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,159 Speaker 1: Cooper Rushia was a quarterback, right, So how much do 588 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,120 Speaker 1: you think they've benefited from maybe not seeing the best 589 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: groups of wide receivers that can take advantage of some 590 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: of those opportunities against those cover ones. Well, I mean 591 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,880 Speaker 1: that's also a huge factor to at PFF. We're very 592 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: cautious to compliment defenses because defensive performance is so dependent 593 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,199 Speaker 1: on who you play, so um a team like Tennessee, 594 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: they were trying to figure it out week one. They 595 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: don't have a j. Brown, they don't have the best 596 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: group of receivers. They're trying to get their tight ends involved. 597 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 1: A team like Green Bay a couple of weeks ago, 598 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, their offense has just been all over the place. Right. 599 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 1: Some games they're just chucking it down the field. Other 600 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 1: games against the Giants, they were very horizontal. It was 601 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: a lot of short stuff. It was a lot of 602 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,439 Speaker 1: get the ball to guys in space, and then when 603 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 1: they did go up top, it's low percentage throws. And 604 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: so beating the Blitz is about that chemistry between quarterbacks 605 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: and receivers. So I think that was huge. With Rogers 606 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: not having those guys that he could trust just yet 607 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: and Lamar Jackson missing a Rashad Bateman right in that game, 608 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 1: it definitely felt like, Hey, Mark Andrews is my dude, 609 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,959 Speaker 1: He's gonna make his plays. But they've had Rashad Bateman 610 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 1: and a little bit of Devin Duvernet, but Rashad Bateman 611 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,160 Speaker 1: has been that complimentary piece. Um, he had a seventy 612 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 1: five yard or against the blitz against the Dolphins, you know, 613 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: back in Week two. So yeah, look, all of that 614 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 1: is a fact. Plus the Panthers and the Bears are 615 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: as bad as it gets offensively, so that's you know, 616 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: that's part of the success here. So yeah, it all 617 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 1: adds up. Man. I mean, who you play does matter, 618 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,400 Speaker 1: but particularly wide receiver cords where they're not necessarily right 619 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,199 Speaker 1: on the same page with their quarterbacks right now as 620 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 1: they're trying to figure things out. Dexa Lawrence breakout here? 621 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,880 Speaker 1: Why Steven and what do you think about how he's 622 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,200 Speaker 1: playing so far? Yeah, I mean I think he's just 623 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 1: one of those guys who's been very good and then 624 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,439 Speaker 1: just you know, breaks out into uh, you know, an 625 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 1: all Pro calval year. That's extra Lawrence. Jeffrey Simmons from 626 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,919 Speaker 1: the Titans is having a similar season they were. I 627 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: think that was the same draft class right two thousand nineteen. Um, 628 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: you know, dextra Lawrence has got He's just gone from 629 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: very good to to you know, have taking that big 630 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,919 Speaker 1: step forward. So not everybody steps into the league in 631 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: his Aaron Donald's right, Darren Donald was All Pro almost 632 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 1: right off the bat. But we've seen other guys like 633 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: Cameron Heyward go from good too okay now in year 634 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: four or five six becomes that dominant interior defensive linement. 635 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: So I think there's elements of that too. Dextra Lawrences game, 636 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: we'll see if he can keep that up again. Same thing. 637 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: Sometimes it's matchup driven, right, he dominated the Bears, um, 638 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 1: so you take take that for what it's worth. But 639 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: that's that's valuable right when another when another team has 640 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: a weakness, being able to dominate that weakness is valuable 641 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 1: in the NFL, and I think we've seen that from 642 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: from Lawrence so far. Your guys, thoughts on cavon thibodeaus 643 00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: performance as a rookie so far, Yeah, I think he's 644 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 1: off to a good start. You know, he's he's got 645 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 1: a good solid grade for us. He's getting some pressures. 646 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 1: Um the other guys that he'll be compared to, Aidan 647 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 1: Hutchinson with Detroit and Trayvon Walker with the Jaguars, and 648 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: those guys are those guys are playing a ton of snaps. Uh. 649 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 1: They played a lot more than Thibodeau has, of course 650 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: because of injury. But um Walker and Hutchinson are not 651 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,239 Speaker 1: winning at a high level when it comes to just 652 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: pure pass rush wins. So far, I think we're seeing 653 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 1: Thibodeau off to a better start than those guys. So 654 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: very encouraging. And the draft is so fascinating because last 655 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 1: year at this time, everybody expected Tibodeau to be the 656 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: number one overall pick. So it doesn't mean that Walker 657 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 1: or Hutchinson's that much better than him just because perception 658 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 1: changed over the course of a few months. If Thibodeau 659 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: ends up the best of the bunch, I don't know 660 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: if anybody would be surprised. And he's off to a 661 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 1: good start to to prove that. The Giants Official Connected 662 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: TV streaming at Giants TV brings original video content and 663 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: game how. It's on Deman and Direct the Big Blue Fans. 664 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 1: Giants TV is free on Apple TV, Roku and Amazon 665 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: Fire TV. And the Giants Well, we'll app Steve. I 666 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: be remiss if I did not ask you about your 667 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguars. With the Giants heading down to jackson we 668 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: got the helmet right behind you. I don't have any 669 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 1: more Brunelle jerseys, so for you. Sorry, um. And by 670 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: the way, I did back in the day. I did 671 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: own a Jimmy Smith jersey. He led me to like 672 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 1: multiple Fantasy championships, and he shouldn't be in the whole 673 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,239 Speaker 1: fame by the way, Jimmy should be excellent. All right, 674 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: So what should Giant fans be prepared for when they 675 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 1: take on the Jaguars. Let's start offensively first. Trevor Lawrence, 676 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: where's the at now? In kind of year number two? Yeah, 677 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 1: my my team is really the nineties Jaguars. That's my Jaguars, right, 678 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: my Mark Brunelle led Jacks. Um, we're seeing some in 679 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 1: consistency from Trevor Lawrence. Right as soon as we thought, okay, 680 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: is he is he turning a corner? After week three? There, 681 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 1: two and one, and they're they're moving the ball, Just 682 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 1: some inconsistency. You see some of the special throws. I 683 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 1: think they're doing a good job of scheming it up. 684 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 1: But um, we're complimenting the Giants for making the most 685 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 1: of their playmakers. The Jaguars don't necessarily have that true 686 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 1: number one for Trevor Lawrence to rely upon either, so 687 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: they're doing a pretty good job of scheming it up 688 00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 1: and getting guys like Christian Kirk into space and everything. So, um, 689 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: they'll move him around a little bit, he'll he'll add 690 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 1: with his legs. But there's but what what we always 691 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: call rookie mistakes. I mean, there's still mistakes in there 692 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: with Lawrence. A few miss throws, uh, forces into coverage 693 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 1: whatever it might be. Took a really bad sack at 694 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: field goal range last week. So inconsistency so far from 695 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence. But in offense, that's way more exciting than 696 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 1: they were last year and more capable than they were 697 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: last year. There are explosive plays to be had in 698 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 1: there from this Jack's offense. And this feels like the 699 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 1: matchup because the young quarterback where winking, kind of try 700 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: some of his tricks right, and I could give Trevor 701 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 1: some issues. Oh yeah, I mean I think I think 702 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 1: Lawrence through a year plus, Um, you see that hesitancy 703 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 1: in him sometimes last year he just he packed the 704 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 1: ball and just be a tick slow and throw it 705 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 1: into coverage. So if you speed him up a little bit, 706 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: if you rush him, I think you forced him into 707 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 1: some inaccurate throws, force him into some bad decisions. I think, uh, 708 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: the blitz against Lawrence, as long as you keep him 709 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 1: contained he can run. Like I said, um, the blitz 710 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 1: against Trevor Lawrence think will be a pretty fun matchup 711 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 1: to watch. You know, Steve, I hadn't mentioned this before. 712 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 1: You know, Wings defenses in Baltimore they usually were pretty 713 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: good against the run. The Giants have actually struggled against 714 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 1: the run this year. Is that a deal where you 715 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 1: think they're playing a lot of safeties, are not playing 716 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: as many linebackers. Are they trying to compensate for the 717 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 1: you know, for the DBS. Why do you think the 718 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 1: Giants have had to miss you stop on the run 719 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 1: this year? Yeah, I'm not sure offhand. You know, I 720 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: think there's you know, there's a couple of It also 721 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 1: goes to who you play, uh, as far as you know, 722 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 1: the same the same reason for receivers. You know, the 723 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: Packers didn't run the ball a ton, but they've got 724 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 1: a good run game. The Ravens, no matter what you do, 725 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 1: you're gonna come out of there giving up two hundred 726 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 1: rushing yards. So if you're just using that as a metric, right, 727 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 1: it's just you play the Ravens either they're gonna stumble 728 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: into two hundred. You know, that's just what they do, so. 729 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 1: I think that's probably a huge part of it, because 730 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 1: the run games about you miss a gap here, you 731 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: miss a gap there, it's a it's a thirty forty 732 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 1: yard run, and I think we're seeing a little bit 733 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 1: of that so far. All Right, Jaguars defense, final question, Steve. 734 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 1: Obviously Trayvon Walker, you talked about him. Josh Allen on 735 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 1: the other side. Uh, what does the Jaguars defense do, 736 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 1: what do they look like, and what are they gonna 737 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 1: be the challenges for the Giants offense against them? Yeah, 738 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: they've had some really good games this year. They shut 739 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: down the Chargers. You know, Justin Herbert had his torn cartilage, 740 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 1: but Um shut down the Chargers back in Week three. 741 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 1: They're really athletic. Josh Allen much like Dexter Lawrence having 742 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,719 Speaker 1: a breakout here. Josh Allen former first rounder the defensive end, 743 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: Josh Allen Um. He's been one of the best pass 744 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: rushers in the league this year. Trayvon Walker, who I 745 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 1: mentioned on the other side, you see you see glimpses 746 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 1: of why he went number one overall. He's had a 747 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 1: few spectacular plays in there. It's also had a bunch 748 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 1: of penalties, some some really bad penalties that blew you know, 749 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 1: lost a couple of games for the Jaguars. But they're athletic. 750 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 1: They've got some playmakers Trayvon Walker, Devin Lloyd, the rookie linebackers, 751 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 1: so they they'll fly around then make some plays in 752 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 1: the secondary. But um, they're they're rebuilding team as well. 753 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 1: As much as the Jags showed a lot of promise 754 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 1: early in the season, they're still trying to turn that 755 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 1: roster over from the last couple of years, so they've 756 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 1: been a little hit or miss. But their fun defense 757 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 1: to watch because they do have some young loads of 758 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 1: playmakers who I think are gonna be pretty good. Steve Palozzolo, 759 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: him and Sam Monson hosts the flagship p f F 760 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:10,800 Speaker 1: NFL podcast. The PFN NFL Podcast Steve talk about whatever 761 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 1: else you want to promote. The floor is yours before 762 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:16,840 Speaker 1: we say goodbye. Yes, I appreciate the flagship podcast. At PFF, 763 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 1: it's the p F NFL Podcast. We also do a 764 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,760 Speaker 1: ten minute daily podcast called The p F NFL Daily, 765 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 1: So Sam and I crank out eight podcasts a week 766 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 1: about eight hours of coverage on all the NFL, and 767 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 1: then at p F dot Com we have p F 768 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,880 Speaker 1: plus our package that has all the great stats, betting fantasy, 769 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 1: the whole thing rolled into one, so be sure to 770 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 1: check all that out. Has Sam tried to throw sixty 771 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,919 Speaker 1: miles an hour yet or no? Not yet. We are. 772 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 1: We're close to a deal with Great American Ballpark and 773 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:46,399 Speaker 1: the Reds to get onto the stadium too to see 774 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 1: if Sam could throw sixty We're trying. We raised money 775 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 1: for charity to see if my Irish co host here 776 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 1: could could throw sixty miles an hour. He's very confident 777 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: that he can. Yeah, he is a lot of confident 778 00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,839 Speaker 1: with his athletic ability. I'm actually fairly impressed by his confidence. Absolutely, 779 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 1: I agree. And you know we went one on one 780 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:05,799 Speaker 1: and you know you tried to cover me one time. 781 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,840 Speaker 1: It didn't go so well. Ran right by him. You know, 782 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 1: he's a former cornerback, so maybe you shouldn't have that 783 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 1: confidence anymore. Good stuff, Steve, enjoy the rest of the 784 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 1: season and we'll talk to you soon. All right, all right, 785 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 1: thank you, John, appreciate it. Deep Palazolo for Football Focus. 786 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:18,800 Speaker 1: We thank you for joining us on the John Settle Podcast. 787 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 1: We'll see you next time. Everybody