WEBVTT - Hip-Hop's Secret Meeting (with Diallo Riddle)

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<v Speaker 1>To this day, I feel weird eating pepperoni on my pizza.

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<v Speaker 1>Why because if you ate pork, you know, back then

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<v Speaker 1>you were a sucker, you know what I mean? Like

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<v Speaker 1>or you hid that ship they like if you listen

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<v Speaker 1>to the East Coast tipob generation brother. By the way,

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<v Speaker 1>the eighties ran a train on y'all. We're going.

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<v Speaker 2>If my pepperoni wasn't there, I was, you know, stuff

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<v Speaker 2>crust just came out.

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<v Speaker 3>My chips in your.

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<v Speaker 1>Kala bears are.

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<v Speaker 3>Racist money and turkey stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Ya can't tell me.

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<v Speaker 4>Everlasting omni presence is my present state of being seen,

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<v Speaker 4>the unpleasant sight of righteous souls live like peasants, the

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<v Speaker 4>mind stunts growth in adolescents, welcome little Mama's and gentiles

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<v Speaker 4>the light to another phenomenal episode of My Mama told

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<v Speaker 4>me crazy.

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<v Speaker 5>Maybe we dive deep pockets black conspiracy theories.

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<v Speaker 2>And we finally worked to prove whatever it is we're

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<v Speaker 2>doing here today.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what that's from? What? Uh? You ever like

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<v Speaker 1>Quincy Jones album Back on the Block? Yeah? Wow, part

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<v Speaker 1>on that? Yeah yeah yeah. I used to play that

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<v Speaker 1>when I was a little kid. It was like, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think it really means anything, but I was a kid.

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<v Speaker 1>I used to listen to that ship over and over.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, I thought it was gonna be like Pharaoh

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<v Speaker 5>monk oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I just feel like.

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<v Speaker 5>There's a lot of the same rhyme with words bigger.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was clan. Yeah, everybody, everybody was on that,

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<v Speaker 1>especially anybody who was in New York based at that time. Right, right,

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<v Speaker 1>what year did that album come out? Is that ninety

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe around there. Yeah, was a kind of rap that.

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<v Speaker 2>As a kid from the West Coast, I thought everybody

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<v Speaker 2>in New York was smart, you really, just like the

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<v Speaker 2>whole like just like early nineties New York rap. I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, this genus.

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<v Speaker 1>Is yeah you know what I mean? Yeah, King T No,

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<v Speaker 1>no like swaying King Tech. Yeah yeah, who's the guy

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<v Speaker 1>who did fuck Compton? Who is that? I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>who that is.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking about King T am I making that up.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what's funny. I recently spent a little time

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<v Speaker 2>with Twist, and Twista was talking about King T.

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<v Speaker 1>That West Coast rapper out of Compton.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, yeah, he was a Twist named King T is

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<v Speaker 5>one of his his big influences early. Really, I can

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<v Speaker 5>see that. I can see that.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh you know what I've been thinking. N yeah. Man. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>The fact that all these all AI influencers are starting

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<v Speaker 2>out black feels like some sinister way for them to

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<v Speaker 2>control the culture.

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<v Speaker 1>It's real nasty.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's like it feels like the worst ship coming

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<v Speaker 2>out were the AI influencers. I don't think I know this.

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<v Speaker 2>It's gonna upset you.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh. Wait, we're saying these are like fake.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a timblance thing, right, but not.

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<v Speaker 2>A musician, Like it's just a So it's just like

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<v Speaker 2>a fake black woman who's like goes to McDonald's.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah it's crazy.

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<v Speaker 5>And she talks about like an argument she got in

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<v Speaker 5>at work and like, oh, this is a funny thing

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<v Speaker 5>that happened to me, but like she's not real.

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<v Speaker 4>No.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw one where it was like it was supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be a black female soldier celebrating the ceasefire of

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<v Speaker 1>Iran in Israel, and she was like pleasant being the

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<v Speaker 1>peace makers, like she's got all these like other soldiers

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<v Speaker 1>mainly white, like cheering behind her. And of course it

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<v Speaker 1>turned out it was fake. It wasn't a real soldiery.

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<v Speaker 1>They want a black coat side, so bad on this.

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<v Speaker 1>It does a lot of work for them.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really put there to do boxing into such lengths.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a lot of water to make that ship. Man,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a lot of water.

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<v Speaker 1>This man.

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<v Speaker 5>One of them, Diamond and Silk died and they're like,

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<v Speaker 5>we need we got we need a replacement.

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<v Speaker 1>There is a hole in our roster. We lost diamond.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't give a funk about the salary. Yeah, diving

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<v Speaker 2>was definitely a power forward as far.

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<v Speaker 5>As Yeah, I don't even know she's the devil, but

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<v Speaker 5>yeah whatever, one of them Milk, diamond or they did.

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<v Speaker 1>One of them, one of them died, one of them. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you ever think there's like a diamond and silk

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<v Speaker 2>who were just like stripping out of a club in Houston, Like, damn,

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<v Speaker 2>I hate that.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh right, that diamond and Silk wasn't originally like somebody

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<v Speaker 5>had made that.

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<v Speaker 1>Comy it come together. No, not at all.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, diamonds on silk sounds exquisite. Yeah, that sounds nice.

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<v Speaker 5>I I will say silk. I always have some trepidation.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm too fat for silk. Yeah, it's just it's hot.

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<v Speaker 5>It's hot. Silk has hurt you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah, I had some Silk Boxers at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like, man, you don't even go up to

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<v Speaker 2>two XL.

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<v Speaker 1>Then yeah, if this is what it's gonna do, what

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to be, Like, are you a silk guy, dude?

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<v Speaker 1>I never I never really thought about it before. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>embarrassed to say that. I don't know enough about them

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<v Speaker 1>to know which one passed. But I do know that,

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<v Speaker 1>uh that that co sign is so important, you know, like, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and Cannice Owens was their coast sign for

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<v Speaker 1>a long time, but then she went off, she went road,

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<v Speaker 1>and she went road a little bit and aruably back

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<v Speaker 1>to her roots. Arguably.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, she's still being a dick about it. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>she's i mean, pretending she's on Black People's it's scary.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all very she's a little yeah, I mean like

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's weird times. Obviously, I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>get into anything too timely because we want this to

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<v Speaker 1>be an evergreen sure podcast, but like we do, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a really weird that's the good. I want them to

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<v Speaker 1>consume it this week and not think about it again.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true, that's true. I was just gonna say, like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's just it's just weird. I I'm still

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<v Speaker 1>from that old school, you know crew that thinks that, like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's you gotta like look out for your folks.

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<v Speaker 1>But I guess a person like Canna thinks that that's

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what she's doing.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I, or at least has has created an illusion

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<v Speaker 5>where she pretends that that's what she's thinking. She we

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<v Speaker 5>haven't even introduced you yet.

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<v Speaker 1>I've just been talking no.

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<v Speaker 5>And that's how we prefer. Frankly, it works better when

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<v Speaker 5>y'all just jump in rather than look at us be

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<v Speaker 5>idiots for as long as we can sometimes be. But

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<v Speaker 5>our guest today, we couldn't be excited more excited that

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<v Speaker 5>he said.

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<v Speaker 1>We couldn't be excited. We couldn't be excited. This sucks.

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<v Speaker 1>This sucks that he came. We invited them. We thought

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<v Speaker 1>he wouldn't show up. We put some nasty messages in

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<v Speaker 1>that invite. I never read too long, didn't read. He's phenomenal.

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<v Speaker 1>You know him.

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<v Speaker 5>You know him as one of the creators of Southside,

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<v Speaker 5>you know him as one of the creators of Sherman Showcase.

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<v Speaker 5>My former boss uh we we my my nemesis on screen.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that. I do love that we have that legacy.

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<v Speaker 5>We will always be Yeah, and Adam Bethune.

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<v Speaker 2>He can ask you, guys, because you're in the room. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>what's that Bethune is such a specific last name? Does

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<v Speaker 2>that come from a person that someone new?

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<v Speaker 1>We could talk about that.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, I know his answer, but he won't admit his answer.

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<v Speaker 5>And I only know his answer because Basher eventually broke

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<v Speaker 5>and gave me the answer of where this original character.

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<v Speaker 2>It's too specific names too, It's too specific in a

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<v Speaker 2>way that feels real.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying. I know the exact source

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<v Speaker 1>of this character. Can't wait. But you know, like it

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<v Speaker 1>says in the NFL all credits, you know, none of

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<v Speaker 1>these cacharacters are based on living.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, I believe everything I read after TV shows

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<v Speaker 2>you have to man.

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<v Speaker 5>He and more importantly most importantly, hosts a brilliant podcast

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<v Speaker 5>called One Song Give It Up for our guest, mister

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<v Speaker 5>Diallo Riddle City by Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>City Boys, up for now, for now? Yea, Now, thanks

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<v Speaker 1>for being here. I really like I'm but thanks for

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<v Speaker 1>being here because I read those nasty messages and we

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<v Speaker 1>did think for a second. You know what I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to show up and it's going to be a locked

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<v Speaker 1>up building on you know, it's a shady street, it's

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<v Speaker 1>very short. You know, there's a lot of I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know the backstory on. I imagine it's it's probably racist,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's maybe. Don't say the street name anymore. Our

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<v Speaker 1>fans are on him, it's like a problem.

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<v Speaker 2>They're mostly I've had a lot of memories on this

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<v Speaker 2>street that may not go named because I used to Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't.

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<v Speaker 1>Talk about it anyway.

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<v Speaker 5>Let's go No, it's okay, let's okay, diolo. You came

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<v Speaker 5>to us with two conspiracies today. Yes, we're going to

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<v Speaker 5>start with the first one and then we'll find our

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<v Speaker 5>way to the second one. I think is the natural

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<v Speaker 5>segue that I've imagined.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let's talk about it, because you know, I got

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<v Speaker 1>so much love online for my last appearance on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>You came on and you you put your fist down

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<v Speaker 1>and said, I don't think Michael Jackson had it appropriate.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he had an appropriate relationship with this kid.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think he was having sex with him. And

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<v Speaker 1>then a lot of people came out of the wood

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<v Speaker 1>where you're like, oh, man, you must be a part

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<v Speaker 1>of the Illuminati. Like you know, people just thought I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, you sick, you had those freak offs. We

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know about the freak offs. Yeah, but see that

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<v Speaker 1>was a I wish we could have done that episode

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<v Speaker 1>back then because no, seriously, nobody ever thinks about vaginal

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<v Speaker 1>intercourse for the Illuminati.

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<v Speaker 2>WHOA I think I think the good order with traditional sex,

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<v Speaker 2>but can I eat aals still pretty traditional?

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<v Speaker 1>This is now, this is your rehima. Can I just

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<v Speaker 1>say My college roommate was Ryan Leslie. You know what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying. I remember he was like the first creative

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<v Speaker 1>person that I ever met who had he is the

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<v Speaker 1>dollars off of just being creative. And at the same

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<v Speaker 1>time I would be like, oh man, what's it like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like working at like the highest level. He's like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta remember I worked for Public. Like I could

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<v Speaker 1>see the stress come over his face just for saying like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I worked for a guy. And that was

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<v Speaker 1>about the time I was like, you know what, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a bad sign when everybody you worked with, every single

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<v Speaker 1>person you work with, you've had a major falling out with,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and the one person who you did have

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<v Speaker 1>a major public falling out with died in front of

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<v Speaker 1>the Peterson Museum. You know what I'm saying, Like.

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<v Speaker 5>On one of the busiest streets offer absolutely like truly

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<v Speaker 5>in retrospect and insane place for a person to get murdered.

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<v Speaker 1>There was more traffic on that street back then. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like the old min Woeshire area was kind of

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<v Speaker 1>popping back then. Like when you first moved to la

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<v Speaker 1>you got an apartment on mid Waleshire and then you

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<v Speaker 1>would go shopping to the Beverly Center. Like our center

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<v Speaker 1>of gravity, especially for black folks, was very different back then.

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<v Speaker 1>Bad Burger was still popular. We didn't really fuck within

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<v Speaker 1>and now so you go to the fat Burger that

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<v Speaker 1>used to be right by the Beverly Center. This is

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<v Speaker 1>like ninety nine shit, you know what I mean. When

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<v Speaker 1>I first moved out here, So.

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<v Speaker 5>Diallo your first conspiracy that you came with today, I

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<v Speaker 5>got so many, you said, my mama told me.

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<v Speaker 1>The music industry decided against the rap would replace the

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<v Speaker 1>militant sound of public Enemy and explain. You know, as

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<v Speaker 1>a hip hop fan in the late eighties, in the

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<v Speaker 1>early earliest nineties, you know you couldn't miss the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that hip hop had become, as Chuck D said the

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<v Speaker 1>CNN for black people. You know what I'm saying, It

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<v Speaker 1>was a time when, like you know, and a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of our earliest political views were formed in this you know,

0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:12.000
<v Speaker 1>concoction made of like bomb squad hip hop production beats

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<v Speaker 1>and like the furious sort of like I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>let you know it. It was a very sort of

0:12:17.000 --> 0:12:20.320
<v Speaker 1>preacher style of rap to Chuck D became famous. You

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<v Speaker 1>were learning a lesson, You were learning stuff. Man, we're

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<v Speaker 1>heading for self destruction. KRS one was huge. Ex Klan

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<v Speaker 1>was huge, Like we were getting a huge just quoting

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<v Speaker 1>cool mod Like everybody, especially on the on the West

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<v Speaker 1>Coast in the you know, late eighties, really was coming

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<v Speaker 1>up with this very pro black vibe that you felt

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<v Speaker 1>like was born in Harlem on one twenty fifth near

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<v Speaker 1>Shrine seven, you know what I'm saying. Like even people

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<v Speaker 1>who weren't known for like necessarily political rapping, like the

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<v Speaker 1>Far Side, they were like, if there's pork in your bowl,

0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:56.800
<v Speaker 1>it's jacobou tah what it's jigaboota like think about it,

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, and like Wu Tang and Tribe and

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<v Speaker 1>all of them were like five percenters. You know. It

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<v Speaker 1>was just it was a different time in hip hop,

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<v Speaker 1>but it wasn't a long time in hip hop. Y.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say from like you know, maybe eighty eight,

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<v Speaker 1>when it takes a nation of millions to hold us back.

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<v Speaker 1>People forget Yo Bum rushed the show by Public Enemy.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's eighty six or eighty seven. It wasn't.

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<v Speaker 1>It had some of that political stuff, but it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>like the Driving Force. It takes a nation of millions

0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:24.240
<v Speaker 1>to hold us back with songs like you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>got a letter from the government the other day. I read,

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<v Speaker 1>opened it and read it said it with suckers, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like from that album. I would say, all the way

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<v Speaker 1>until the Chronic there was that's grain years. That's only

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<v Speaker 1>like four years, I would argue came out ninety two,

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<v Speaker 1>Chronic came out, I want to say, either late ninety

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<v Speaker 1>one or like April ninety two. But I do think

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<v Speaker 1>West killed hip hop. I don't think it killed it,

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<v Speaker 1>but I do think that the shiny production of dre

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<v Speaker 1>as opposed to the almost cluttered see here's what Citra,

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<v Speaker 1>the clutter production of the Bomb Squad. It was like

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<v Speaker 1>people made a choice and the choice was g funk

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<v Speaker 1>clean production. Like it just it changed overnight. And I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like I was the perfect age to witness that

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<v Speaker 1>change because and I hope I'm not being low witted here,

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<v Speaker 1>but when I did an episode of our podcast with Questlove,

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<v Speaker 1>but we were listening to the Bomb Squad production, one

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<v Speaker 1>of the thirty year old producers on our show was like, man,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no base in this, and I was like, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>you're right. Bublic Keenemy didn't really have like it wasn't

0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:29.480
<v Speaker 1>it was. It was based for like a beat up

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<v Speaker 1>Sony walkman, right, you know what I mean. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a lot more about like the snare than it was

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<v Speaker 1>the base. Krona came out. Everybody was at alan As

0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:40.560
<v Speaker 1>trying to put woofers in their trunk, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, because the base that ate a weight, It's

0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:44.840
<v Speaker 1>I always said, they ate a wight is like a

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<v Speaker 1>black man's massage, you know what I mean. It's like

0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:49.040
<v Speaker 1>those It's like those chairs that you used to see.

0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:50.840
<v Speaker 1>It like the car wash that you like put a

0:14:50.880 --> 0:14:53.680
<v Speaker 1>quarner in and get a massage like you Oh, it

0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:56.360
<v Speaker 1>was like it was warm, it was comforting. As a

0:14:56.360 --> 0:14:58.000
<v Speaker 1>friend of mine one said when you hear that ate

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<v Speaker 1>A wait, the conversation is complete, you know what.

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<v Speaker 5>I and you're saying that that was a conscious choice

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<v Speaker 5>to sort of like make this shit carely say, and

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<v Speaker 5>a subconscious one that they then accepted at large.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, look, I think it can go one or two ways.

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<v Speaker 1>My brother, who's older than me, you know, love Public Enemy.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna be talking a lot about my brother Tony

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<v Speaker 1>in this episode because he's the person who sort of,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe more than my mama, introduced me to both of

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<v Speaker 1>these ideas. Yeah, and he never got into like gangster rap.

0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:30.280
<v Speaker 1>He never really even got into like mob deep and

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<v Speaker 1>like the East Coast version of whatever gangster rap was

0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:35.760
<v Speaker 1>and the you know, the bad boy sound. He never

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<v Speaker 1>got into that. He loved Public Enemy for his political message.

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<v Speaker 1>We would often get into debates because he was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I think they decided, look, we can't have black people

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<v Speaker 1>feeling like this militant is definitely like, you know, you

0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:51.160
<v Speaker 1>got to remember it culturally, Spike Lee's do the Right

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<v Speaker 1>Thing comes out, you know, fight the powers like a

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<v Speaker 1>number one jam in the streets, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>And then literally in about eighteen months, it didn't even

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<v Speaker 1>like two years eighteen months later, it's the chronic. It's

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Dre It's like Snoop. I used to take the

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<v Speaker 1>point of view that people like this music more and

0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:15.480
<v Speaker 1>you know music in our Message, which was another public

0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:18.120
<v Speaker 1>Enemdia album or can't trust it, Like, I felt like

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<v Speaker 1>they lost the youth, they lost the sound, they lost

0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:25.160
<v Speaker 1>the years, and this other stuff was just more esthetically pleasing.

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<v Speaker 1>It didn't have the political message, you know, at least

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<v Speaker 1>not stated the same way. Do you where do you

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<v Speaker 1>put into Wa in this timeline? Then? Oh, okay, So

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<v Speaker 1>here's what's interesting in Wa. NWA, I would say, sort

0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:39.840
<v Speaker 1>of started to blow up in like nineteen eighty eight. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so there are two trains running at the same time.

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<v Speaker 1>On the East coast, you've got everybody from Kolmo d

0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:49.640
<v Speaker 1>to Public Enemy, like you've got Kris Won a big

0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:52.360
<v Speaker 1>factor in all this, right ex clan, they're all poor,

0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:55.960
<v Speaker 1>righteous teachers, they're all on one thing. On the West coast,

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<v Speaker 1>the dominant force is in Wa. And I'll never forget

0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:02.960
<v Speaker 1>the first time I heard in w A. It was

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<v Speaker 1>the one white guy at my high school who was

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<v Speaker 1>really into NWA and we had to ride to the

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<v Speaker 1>science the science Fair together. He's like, he's like, you

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<v Speaker 1>listen to this, and I remember, you know easy like

0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:17.840
<v Speaker 1>you know or ice Cube. We all said fuck you bitch,

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<v Speaker 1>just kept going, you know, like I was like, what

0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:24.239
<v Speaker 1>the hell is listen to? But he was really into it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I found out once I got to college, I

0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:29.080
<v Speaker 1>was like, yo, n w A had tons of white fans,

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<v Speaker 1>like it definitely had like it's it's it's street thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But like most of the black kids, I went to

0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:36.720
<v Speaker 1>school that was pretty much one hundred percent black. We

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<v Speaker 1>had three non black students. We had Joel, we had who,

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<v Speaker 1>we had crazy.

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<v Speaker 5>Trand Okay, and we.

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<v Speaker 2>Had whorehe Ramos and I remember its crazy. I assumed

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<v Speaker 2>the three were going to be white. That's not no.

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<v Speaker 1>We had a unitedations of non black students, three out

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<v Speaker 1>of like six hundred kids at our school. And it

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<v Speaker 1>just so happened that Joel was one of the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>n WA fans. I think we know why. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's the survival was he.

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<v Speaker 2>Was surrounding is scared and alone.

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<v Speaker 1>He needs to feel strong. He had something rebellians, and

0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:24.000
<v Speaker 1>he found his voice of rebellion.

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<v Speaker 2>The Devil was School, Atlanta, Georgia, Okay, So do you

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<v Speaker 2>not feel like do you feel like it was similar

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<v Speaker 2>things on the West Coast where the music was coming

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<v Speaker 2>out of you. I'm sorry say that, like because you're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about like it just feels like regional more than

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<v Speaker 2>it feels like a direct effort to like you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean, they were gang banging out here.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like what they were on, right, Yeah, there was

0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:53.040
<v Speaker 1>something of the sauce in l A. I mean, like

0:18:53.800 --> 0:18:55.919
<v Speaker 1>there were rappers like King T who I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>we're trying to get on that ex clan bo you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean. Like if you go back and

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<v Speaker 1>listening to some of his stuff, people forget that. When

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<v Speaker 1>Ice Cube eventually leaves an NWA, what's the first thing

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<v Speaker 1>he does. He gets the loan to become his bodyguards

0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:14.639
<v Speaker 1>and he releases I believe it was America's most wanted

0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:16.840
<v Speaker 1>He got on the militant, you know what I mean,

0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:19.080
<v Speaker 1>Like that was his way of sort of stepping away

0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:20.840
<v Speaker 1>from what Easy and the rest of them were doing.

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<v Speaker 1>If they were doing sort of like an apolitical this

0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:26.760
<v Speaker 1>is street life ice Cube was doing. You know, fuck

0:19:26.800 --> 0:19:28.760
<v Speaker 1>you ice Cube, Like he was like he was taking

0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:29.200
<v Speaker 1>on the man.

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<v Speaker 5>You know what I mean, so yeah, he really shifted

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<v Speaker 5>like fuck the police into political sort of like jargon,

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<v Speaker 5>not just like survival technique.

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<v Speaker 1>Right by the way, the guys, my core group of

0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:45.080
<v Speaker 1>friends who were all into public anyway at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>Ice Cube was our West Coast rapper when he made

0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:50.439
<v Speaker 1>that transition, because he's like, oh see now, now the

0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:52.199
<v Speaker 1>West Coast is about to get like you know what

0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:54.400
<v Speaker 1>they're doing out here. By the way, we're in Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 1>Atlanta doesn't really have a seam a hip hop sis, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Like everybody at our school basically had to make a choice.

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<v Speaker 1>You either listened to West Coast or West Coast at

0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:05.080
<v Speaker 1>Jason stuff like there was pooh Man out of out

0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:07.240
<v Speaker 1>of Texas. I think, you know, I was wondering, what

0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:10.680
<v Speaker 1>were you guys into Texas stuff? There was there were again,

0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:14.200
<v Speaker 1>there there were two constituencies. There was the people who

0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:19.200
<v Speaker 1>listened to Scarface and West Coast or you were like

0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:22.080
<v Speaker 1>my click, which was like who are righteous teachers? Tribe

0:20:22.080 --> 0:20:23.879
<v Speaker 1>called quest Day La Soul, you know what I mean?

0:20:24.040 --> 0:20:26.879
<v Speaker 1>There was no like regional sceni. Yet you know, we

0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:30.240
<v Speaker 1>had y'allso Stupid, which was a group that is long,

0:20:30.400 --> 0:20:32.199
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, Hey, listen, go back and

0:20:32.200 --> 0:20:34.240
<v Speaker 1>listen to you also stupid, not bad. There was a

0:20:34.240 --> 0:20:35.920
<v Speaker 1>group called Parental Advisory.

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<v Speaker 5>That's such a funny way, go back and listen.

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<v Speaker 1>They tried their best. Actually, don't think listen, I don't.

0:20:45.200 --> 0:20:47.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to remember who they tried to sound like.

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<v Speaker 1>The Parental Advisory was another group that eventually became Rico

0:20:51.240 --> 0:20:54.159
<v Speaker 1>Wade and eventually became Dungeon.

0:20:53.800 --> 0:20:57.200
<v Speaker 2>Family and Organization. Yeah, so like the seas were there,

0:20:57.240 --> 0:20:58.119
<v Speaker 2>but nobody was popping.

0:20:58.160 --> 0:21:00.840
<v Speaker 1>If you went to an Atlanta party in nineteen nine one,

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<v Speaker 1>which I did in uh was I in middle school?

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<v Speaker 1>I think I was in middle school. It was all

0:21:04.920 --> 0:21:06.880
<v Speaker 1>bass music. It was all booty shape. It was three

0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:11.760
<v Speaker 1>hours of Luther Campbell and Gucci Gucci Crew and Black

0:21:11.800 --> 0:21:13.639
<v Speaker 1>Pack and all that kind of music. Like, yeah, it

0:21:13.720 --> 0:21:16.160
<v Speaker 1>was just it was just we was just booty shaking

0:21:16.200 --> 0:21:16.879
<v Speaker 1>and yiking it up.

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<v Speaker 5>So like when you talk about this, uh, this supposed transition, right,

0:21:23.480 --> 0:21:27.679
<v Speaker 5>is this a music industry that you're picturing sort of

0:21:27.720 --> 0:21:29.280
<v Speaker 5>like making a collective call.

0:21:29.840 --> 0:21:32.960
<v Speaker 1>So the collective call, according to you know, my brother

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<v Speaker 1>and I think there might be something to this is

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<v Speaker 1>that it's easy to forget how controversial Public Enemy was

0:21:38.960 --> 0:21:41.000
<v Speaker 1>at the time, like they even start off one of

0:21:41.040 --> 0:21:43.919
<v Speaker 1>their albums with like, oh, I see these guys how

0:21:43.960 --> 0:21:46.760
<v Speaker 1>they opened for the Beastie Boys. I was so offensive.

0:21:46.960 --> 0:21:48.560
<v Speaker 1>I was so offended, Like, you know, they've got like

0:21:48.600 --> 0:21:52.680
<v Speaker 1>the typical white guy calling you calling guy caller who

0:21:53.400 --> 0:21:56.800
<v Speaker 1>we don't know. I could be like, oh, that was

0:21:56.840 --> 0:21:59.000
<v Speaker 1>the you know, the Robert Downey Junior show or whatever

0:21:59.000 --> 0:21:59.920
<v Speaker 1>that is, like you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Robert Downey ju there was a guy more down U

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<v Speaker 2>that is, you know, like.

0:22:04.280 --> 0:22:05.800
<v Speaker 1>He would probably tell you the source. But like, there

0:22:05.800 --> 0:22:08.000
<v Speaker 1>were a lot of people who were like, what Public

0:22:08.080 --> 0:22:10.320
<v Speaker 1>Enemy is doing is not cool. And listen, there's some

0:22:10.440 --> 0:22:14.280
<v Speaker 1>lyrics there that are questionable. But what ended up happening was,

0:22:14.680 --> 0:22:17.560
<v Speaker 1>at least according to some, was this idea that hey,

0:22:18.280 --> 0:22:21.439
<v Speaker 1>why don't we you know, you know, take this in

0:22:21.480 --> 0:22:24.200
<v Speaker 1>a different direction because there was more gatekeeping back in

0:22:24.760 --> 0:22:27.800
<v Speaker 1>music industry in general back then, for quality control reasons

0:22:27.840 --> 0:22:30.439
<v Speaker 1>and for messaging. You know, Like, it's just hard for

0:22:30.440 --> 0:22:32.080
<v Speaker 1>me to believe that they actually just sat down and

0:22:32.080 --> 0:22:34.560
<v Speaker 1>did it when I know that, you know, riding the

0:22:35.520 --> 0:22:38.199
<v Speaker 1>band bus, you know games, I know what kids were

0:22:38.200 --> 0:22:40.560
<v Speaker 1>getting excited about, and we were getting excited you know,

0:22:40.600 --> 0:22:42.920
<v Speaker 1>there was like a transition around ninety one ninety two

0:22:42.960 --> 0:22:45.119
<v Speaker 1>where I don't think p would have fit into it

0:22:45.160 --> 0:22:48.840
<v Speaker 1>because they were still doing their political message music. Meanwhile,

0:22:48.880 --> 0:22:51.560
<v Speaker 1>me and my friends are hitting puberty and we wanted

0:22:51.600 --> 0:22:54.480
<v Speaker 1>to hear Joonasy. We wanted to hear Mary J. Blige's

0:22:54.520 --> 0:22:56.200
<v Speaker 1>first album, you know what I mean like here, So

0:22:56.359 --> 0:22:58.360
<v Speaker 1>there wasn't like a conscious decision on it. I don't

0:22:58.400 --> 0:23:00.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't think on any of our behalf to start

0:23:00.720 --> 0:23:06.280
<v Speaker 1>listening to a more party salacious. Uh, let's look up

0:23:06.320 --> 0:23:08.680
<v Speaker 1>a girl's type music. I think that's look up to

0:23:08.720 --> 0:23:10.320
<v Speaker 1>a girl to a public enemy.

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<v Speaker 5>Try.

0:23:17.680 --> 0:23:18.000
<v Speaker 1>To chill.

0:23:18.720 --> 0:23:21.359
<v Speaker 5>You got to turn that down, man, I'm trying to

0:23:21.400 --> 0:23:24.359
<v Speaker 5>get some pussy over here.

0:23:24.400 --> 0:23:27.640
<v Speaker 1>Literally tell public less chill, you know, like we need.

0:23:28.359 --> 0:23:29.320
<v Speaker 1>Is bumming me out.

0:23:29.680 --> 0:23:30.760
<v Speaker 5>I literally can't.

0:23:31.359 --> 0:23:36.040
<v Speaker 1>I can't vote yet. You wish you to break what

0:23:36.200 --> 0:23:39.600
<v Speaker 1>I can do? I can't do his finger. Yeah, I

0:23:39.600 --> 0:23:43.080
<v Speaker 1>could get some back. We're gonna take a break.

0:23:43.080 --> 0:23:44.880
<v Speaker 5>We need to take a break, and when we come back,

0:23:44.880 --> 0:23:46.920
<v Speaker 5>we're going to do some research. I did some research

0:23:46.960 --> 0:23:49.840
<v Speaker 5>on this conspiracy that I want to throw away more

0:23:49.880 --> 0:23:50.960
<v Speaker 5>Diallo riddle more.

0:23:51.000 --> 0:23:52.080
<v Speaker 1>My mama told me.

0:23:54.240 --> 0:24:06.720
<v Speaker 3>Yea I look you good, I'll feel good and you

0:24:07.040 --> 0:24:07.960
<v Speaker 3>sing good and.

0:24:08.000 --> 0:24:15.399
<v Speaker 1>Make love good. Oh we're back, We're back. I know

0:24:15.480 --> 0:24:15.879
<v Speaker 1>that clip.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I love that that interviews I think ever recording

0:24:19.680 --> 0:24:24.919
<v Speaker 5>man uh diallo. We're still talking about this conspiracy that

0:24:24.960 --> 0:24:30.360
<v Speaker 5>there was somehow a conscious effort to change the music industry.

0:24:30.440 --> 0:24:34.119
<v Speaker 5>And while there aren't a lot of official records on

0:24:34.200 --> 0:24:37.680
<v Speaker 5>what this was, one of the conspiracy theories, or rather

0:24:37.760 --> 0:24:41.919
<v Speaker 5>the root of the conspiracy theory, comes from a supposed meeting,

0:24:42.520 --> 0:24:46.240
<v Speaker 5>of a literal meeting that they had between a bunch

0:24:46.320 --> 0:24:50.479
<v Speaker 5>of record executives out here in LA. In fact, this

0:24:50.640 --> 0:24:53.760
<v Speaker 5>originally comes from a supposed letter that got sent to

0:24:53.840 --> 0:24:57.600
<v Speaker 5>a site called hip hop is Read on April twenty fourth,

0:24:57.640 --> 0:25:01.639
<v Speaker 5>twenty twelve. Now, in the letter, there's this synonymous source

0:25:01.680 --> 0:25:04.200
<v Speaker 5>that claims to have been present at a nineteen ninety

0:25:04.280 --> 0:25:08.040
<v Speaker 5>one meeting where a number of music decision makers were

0:25:08.080 --> 0:25:10.760
<v Speaker 5>all there. It was comprised of twenty five to thirty

0:25:10.800 --> 0:25:15.359
<v Speaker 5>people equally powerful in the music industry, and they as

0:25:15.400 --> 0:25:18.320
<v Speaker 5>well as about five attendees who no one knew. Apparently

0:25:18.320 --> 0:25:23.000
<v Speaker 5>they were also like shadowy figures.

0:25:21.800 --> 0:25:26.320
<v Speaker 1>Didn't even couldn't even place, but were allowed to sign Yeah,

0:25:26.960 --> 0:25:29.520
<v Speaker 1>this is a dark restaurant, shadowy figures, it's just dargeting there.

0:25:29.960 --> 0:25:35.720
<v Speaker 5>They say that this meeting was basically exactly what has

0:25:35.840 --> 0:25:40.560
<v Speaker 5>always been theorized that these these recordar executives were buying

0:25:40.640 --> 0:25:45.439
<v Speaker 5>into public or private prisons. That essentially they had gotten

0:25:45.520 --> 0:25:48.960
<v Speaker 5>some sweet deal on buying private prisons, and they needed

0:25:48.960 --> 0:25:52.400
<v Speaker 5>to fill the private prisons, and the movement of ex

0:25:52.520 --> 0:25:56.680
<v Speaker 5>Clan of Public Enemy all these groups was not helping

0:25:56.800 --> 0:26:01.120
<v Speaker 5>to serve the filling of these private prisons. Thus they

0:26:01.240 --> 0:26:05.240
<v Speaker 5>need gangster rap to become the sort of like replacing source.

0:26:05.320 --> 0:26:08.960
<v Speaker 1>Well, let me tell you why this does track. There's

0:26:09.000 --> 0:26:12.320
<v Speaker 1>a there's an artist in an album that I haven't

0:26:12.320 --> 0:26:16.400
<v Speaker 1>mentioned at all. Iced Tea came out with cop Killer, Yeah,

0:26:16.560 --> 0:26:21.399
<v Speaker 1>which is which was a rock song rock rap hybrid

0:26:21.480 --> 0:26:24.800
<v Speaker 1>that I feel like very few rap people even listen to.

0:26:25.320 --> 0:26:29.600
<v Speaker 2>I hate it. It's not the greatest, it's not great music,

0:26:29.880 --> 0:26:33.479
<v Speaker 2>but it caused such a stir when it came out, like,

0:26:33.680 --> 0:26:36.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, fuck, the police had caused some ruggers cop

0:26:37.080 --> 0:26:39.639
<v Speaker 2>killer just like it was on the nightly news like

0:26:39.920 --> 0:26:42.600
<v Speaker 2>all the time, and they started putting labels on music,

0:26:42.640 --> 0:26:44.760
<v Speaker 2>and that I think that that I'm pretty sure that

0:26:44.800 --> 0:26:47.439
<v Speaker 2>like Warner Brothers had to like release its you know,

0:26:47.640 --> 0:26:50.439
<v Speaker 2>contract on that album and stuff. It's a very in

0:26:50.480 --> 0:26:53.160
<v Speaker 2>terms of censorship, a very important record, and I do

0:26:53.280 --> 0:26:56.440
<v Speaker 2>believe that it probably came out in ninety or ninety one.

0:26:56.880 --> 0:26:59.120
<v Speaker 2>I totally believe that in the light of cop Killer,

0:26:59.200 --> 0:27:02.439
<v Speaker 2>in addition to all this x CLAM stuff, there's a

0:27:02.440 --> 0:27:05.760
<v Speaker 2>lot of you know, cross pollination with Public Enemy and

0:27:05.920 --> 0:27:08.760
<v Speaker 2>the Minister Lewis Ferricon at the time. I do believe

0:27:08.800 --> 0:27:11.320
<v Speaker 2>that they would probably say, you know what, fuck this,

0:27:11.640 --> 0:27:14.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, like we have to start, you know, monitoring

0:27:15.000 --> 0:27:17.000
<v Speaker 2>what we are releasing to the public.

0:27:17.280 --> 0:27:21.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. At the same time, it's ironic that the chronic

0:27:22.000 --> 0:27:24.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, I think I think two things can be true.

0:27:24.840 --> 0:27:27.119
<v Speaker 1>I think that meeting could have absolutely taken place. But

0:27:27.200 --> 0:27:31.719
<v Speaker 1>I also think that Dre is just an incredibly talented person.

0:27:32.520 --> 0:27:34.760
<v Speaker 1>I think that he had been working and listening with

0:27:34.840 --> 0:27:37.800
<v Speaker 1>the rap group Above the Law, which you know, if

0:27:37.800 --> 0:27:39.960
<v Speaker 1>you guys don't know, I'd go find the song Black Superman.

0:27:40.040 --> 0:27:43.320
<v Speaker 1>It's a great song they were experimenting with using that

0:27:43.440 --> 0:27:47.320
<v Speaker 1>high synth that everybody associates with Job. He's using the

0:27:47.359 --> 0:27:50.760
<v Speaker 1>same studio over here, on kuwanga that they're using. So

0:27:50.800 --> 0:27:53.560
<v Speaker 1>they're listening to each other, and the Chronic came out,

0:27:53.600 --> 0:27:55.760
<v Speaker 1>I want to say, right before Above the Law dropped

0:27:55.760 --> 0:27:58.199
<v Speaker 1>their album, so he kind of came out first. And

0:27:58.280 --> 0:28:00.840
<v Speaker 1>so because I'll tell you, when the kind of came out,

0:28:01.320 --> 0:28:03.800
<v Speaker 1>you knew it was a game change. Yeah, you knew

0:28:03.800 --> 0:28:05.840
<v Speaker 1>that that album was. It's like get Richard Died Trying.

0:28:05.840 --> 0:28:08.040
<v Speaker 1>There's certain albums when they come out you're like, oh,

0:28:08.119 --> 0:28:10.199
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be hard for for hip hop to go

0:28:10.280 --> 0:28:13.120
<v Speaker 1>back to whatever it was after this album, and everybody's

0:28:13.160 --> 0:28:19.000
<v Speaker 1>got a dress like this. Oh yes, yeah exactly. He

0:28:19.080 --> 0:28:20.640
<v Speaker 1>came out and I said, I gotta get a bulletproof

0:28:20.680 --> 0:28:25.600
<v Speaker 1>best exactly exactly. I just think that it's like when

0:28:25.640 --> 0:28:28.840
<v Speaker 1>Graduation Beat whatever fifty album was coming out at that time,

0:28:29.200 --> 0:28:31.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, after the Chronic, just everything else sounded so

0:28:31.560 --> 0:28:34.880
<v Speaker 1>old and to a teenage or a young teenager, things

0:28:34.880 --> 0:28:37.440
<v Speaker 1>that are two years ago or like really old. Yeah,

0:28:37.480 --> 0:28:39.360
<v Speaker 1>that's right. I do think it's the sixth of my

0:28:39.360 --> 0:28:39.840
<v Speaker 1>life ago.

0:28:40.040 --> 0:28:42.640
<v Speaker 5>I do think that to your point there there is

0:28:42.720 --> 0:28:45.840
<v Speaker 5>sort of like this nasty presumption that the music wasn't

0:28:45.880 --> 0:28:49.840
<v Speaker 5>evolving and getting better, but it was just like lateral

0:28:49.960 --> 0:28:53.520
<v Speaker 5>shift to gangster Ship. Instead of it being like no,

0:28:53.720 --> 0:28:57.160
<v Speaker 5>they were for real pushing the art form. They just

0:28:57.240 --> 0:29:01.240
<v Speaker 5>also happened to be talking about a different type of violence.

0:29:02.960 --> 0:29:06.440
<v Speaker 1>And by the way, I you know, some of it

0:29:06.480 --> 0:29:09.360
<v Speaker 1>is just star power. Like when Snoop came into the studio,

0:29:09.920 --> 0:29:12.000
<v Speaker 1>he was in the studio while they were recording the

0:29:12.040 --> 0:29:14.920
<v Speaker 1>Chronic every single day, right, they said you couldn't kick

0:29:15.080 --> 0:29:16.560
<v Speaker 1>Snoop back because he was like, this is my one

0:29:16.640 --> 0:29:19.240
<v Speaker 1>chance to do anything in life. So he was like

0:29:19.360 --> 0:29:22.280
<v Speaker 1>nineteen right, he was like there are other rappers who

0:29:22.280 --> 0:29:25.040
<v Speaker 1>were supposed to be just his biggest Snoop on the Chronic,

0:29:25.360 --> 0:29:27.440
<v Speaker 1>but like he didn't leave the studio, you know what

0:29:27.480 --> 0:29:29.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, So, like, you know, Warren g would even

0:29:29.720 --> 0:29:31.800
<v Speaker 1>be like, hey, you know, we thought, hey this is cool,

0:29:32.120 --> 0:29:34.680
<v Speaker 1>but let's go let's go out and do something. That

0:29:34.760 --> 0:29:36.560
<v Speaker 1>stud was like I'm here. He was like, I'm just

0:29:36.600 --> 0:29:39.160
<v Speaker 1>going to record my vocals over and over. I'm going

0:29:39.200 --> 0:29:41.200
<v Speaker 1>to make sure they sound perfect. And so by the

0:29:41.280 --> 0:29:44.000
<v Speaker 1>time the Chronic comes out, not only is Dre like

0:29:44.080 --> 0:29:47.800
<v Speaker 1>sort of peeking in terms of his production prowess, He's

0:29:47.840 --> 0:29:51.479
<v Speaker 1>got this six foot something tall, skinny dude, who you

0:29:51.480 --> 0:29:53.360
<v Speaker 1>know is an absolute you know.

0:29:55.520 --> 0:29:57.600
<v Speaker 5>It's a beat like we've never heard before.

0:29:57.680 --> 0:30:03.320
<v Speaker 1>It kind of looks like a dopamin and has I'm

0:30:03.320 --> 0:30:06.280
<v Speaker 1>going to make a billion dollars and he and and

0:30:06.440 --> 0:30:09.200
<v Speaker 1>content wise, he's been more influenced by what was going

0:30:09.240 --> 0:30:11.720
<v Speaker 1>on with n w A than with Public Enemy all

0:30:11.760 --> 0:30:14.560
<v Speaker 1>these there are days, there are songs like the day

0:30:14.560 --> 0:30:17.080
<v Speaker 1>the Niggas took over. There are there are attempts to

0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:19.400
<v Speaker 1>talk about the riots in l A at that time,

0:30:19.440 --> 0:30:21.800
<v Speaker 1>But it's not a political album the same way this

0:30:21.880 --> 0:30:24.960
<v Speaker 1>is a street life album. And after that, like the

0:30:25.200 --> 0:30:27.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, the East Coast even changes to adapt, you know,

0:30:27.400 --> 0:30:28.880
<v Speaker 1>so all of a sudden, it's not the Day Last

0:30:28.960 --> 0:30:31.560
<v Speaker 1>Souls and the tribes who are doing their own type

0:30:31.560 --> 0:30:34.280
<v Speaker 1>of militant, you know, sort of pro black messaging. It

0:30:34.760 --> 0:30:37.720
<v Speaker 1>becomes like, what what is what is the what is

0:30:37.760 --> 0:30:40.200
<v Speaker 1>the East Coast version of this? It's mob deep, you

0:30:40.240 --> 0:30:42.080
<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying, it's plus you know, we're going

0:30:42.120 --> 0:30:43.680
<v Speaker 1>to talk about the street life that's going on in

0:30:43.680 --> 0:30:44.360
<v Speaker 1>our hoods.

0:30:44.680 --> 0:30:49.160
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I I as as sort of a dorky ass

0:30:49.320 --> 0:30:53.440
<v Speaker 5>attempt at unpacking this. Did a Google search of does

0:30:54.040 --> 0:30:58.040
<v Speaker 5>rap music lead to violence, which I know is a very.

0:30:58.360 --> 0:31:02.320
<v Speaker 1>Cop You said it's all. That's all you said it.

0:31:02.920 --> 0:31:05.240
<v Speaker 1>I respond with, well, that's the thing.

0:31:05.320 --> 0:31:08.560
<v Speaker 5>So this in two thousand and six, the question about

0:31:08.560 --> 0:31:12.120
<v Speaker 5>a study about a study from two thousand and six

0:31:12.200 --> 0:31:15.560
<v Speaker 5>from the Prevention Research Center of the Pacific Institute for Research.

0:31:15.800 --> 0:31:18.720
<v Speaker 5>There's a lot of research and evaluation in Berkeley, California

0:31:18.920 --> 0:31:21.440
<v Speaker 5>which suggests young people who listen to rap and hip

0:31:21.440 --> 0:31:25.400
<v Speaker 5>hop are more likely to abuse alcohol and commit violent X. Now,

0:31:25.720 --> 0:31:27.640
<v Speaker 5>one of the key points that they harp on in

0:31:27.680 --> 0:31:32.160
<v Speaker 5>this study show that increased alcohol consumption related to alcohol's

0:31:32.160 --> 0:31:35.200
<v Speaker 5>promotion in the songs. Right that, like, the more you

0:31:35.240 --> 0:31:38.080
<v Speaker 5>hear about it promoted, the more you're likely to consume it.

0:31:38.400 --> 0:31:43.800
<v Speaker 5>When passive Kevasier comes out, KVASI cs bigger numbers. Right Now,

0:31:43.960 --> 0:31:46.040
<v Speaker 5>Here's where it gets a little short sighted for me

0:31:46.560 --> 0:31:50.000
<v Speaker 5>is that ultimately, at its best, I think they're saying

0:31:50.040 --> 0:31:54.959
<v Speaker 5>that alcohol sales overall have gone up simply by doing that.

0:31:55.000 --> 0:31:59.400
<v Speaker 5>But it's not necessarily addressing the.

0:31:58.400 --> 0:31:59.560
<v Speaker 1>Black of it.

0:31:59.600 --> 0:32:04.080
<v Speaker 5>All right, that's just this is popular, therefore people are

0:32:04.200 --> 0:32:06.640
<v Speaker 5>doing it, But that's not talking about black people. That's

0:32:06.680 --> 0:32:10.440
<v Speaker 5>not necessarily talking about kids specifically, and then in two

0:32:10.480 --> 0:32:12.560
<v Speaker 5>thousand and two, there was a study that found that

0:32:12.600 --> 0:32:17.040
<v Speaker 5>black kids statistically actually drink less alcohol despite being exposed

0:32:17.560 --> 0:32:21.280
<v Speaker 5>to sixty six percent more ads for beer and ale

0:32:21.400 --> 0:32:25.680
<v Speaker 5>sales and eighty one percent more ads for spirits. That like,

0:32:25.760 --> 0:32:29.040
<v Speaker 5>we are constantly being barbared with this shit and are

0:32:29.120 --> 0:32:30.360
<v Speaker 5>not drinking at the same time.

0:32:30.440 --> 0:32:32.520
<v Speaker 1>I just say, when I when I first got to college,

0:32:32.600 --> 0:32:35.840
<v Speaker 1>every every white kid there had a fake ID, every

0:32:35.840 --> 0:32:38.360
<v Speaker 1>single one, and most of the black kids did not

0:32:38.440 --> 0:32:41.600
<v Speaker 1>drink at all. No, So I one hundred percent believe that.

0:32:41.840 --> 0:32:45.440
<v Speaker 1>And look, let's let's let's let's get real. All of

0:32:45.480 --> 0:32:48.160
<v Speaker 1>the street crimes that you know Snoop was trying to

0:32:48.160 --> 0:32:50.840
<v Speaker 1>be sound like a pimp from the seventies, Well, there

0:32:50.880 --> 0:32:53.160
<v Speaker 1>was no gangster rap in the seventies. I reject this

0:32:53.200 --> 0:32:55.360
<v Speaker 1>idea that all of a sudden, because of gangster rap

0:32:55.720 --> 0:32:58.080
<v Speaker 1>that things got more violent. I think that there were

0:32:58.120 --> 0:33:00.000
<v Speaker 1>things that were already there. They would have been there

0:33:00.000 --> 0:33:02.560
<v Speaker 1>if we've been listening to the whole to the Ohio players,

0:33:02.640 --> 0:33:05.000
<v Speaker 1>I think I don't know, yeah, one hundred percent, I

0:33:05.000 --> 0:33:06.600
<v Speaker 1>think that the ball was already in motion.

0:33:06.760 --> 0:33:10.640
<v Speaker 5>I don't I think to your to your earlier earliest point.

0:33:11.160 --> 0:33:15.120
<v Speaker 1>This is, uh, this is a reflection of the community

0:33:15.240 --> 0:33:18.840
<v Speaker 1>at large, regardless of what they decide ends up on

0:33:18.880 --> 0:33:20.280
<v Speaker 1>the radio. Do you know what I mean?

0:33:20.400 --> 0:33:24.600
<v Speaker 5>Our our neighborhoods, legit are looking and experiencing these things.

0:33:24.960 --> 0:33:28.800
<v Speaker 5>It's not it's not like, oh suddenly we just started

0:33:28.880 --> 0:33:33.200
<v Speaker 5>making up yeah because we saw or because the music

0:33:33.240 --> 0:33:35.400
<v Speaker 5>execs were like, hey, you got to be violent now,

0:33:35.520 --> 0:33:38.640
<v Speaker 5>yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, No, we'll stab each other and

0:33:38.760 --> 0:33:39.320
<v Speaker 5>kill each other.

0:33:39.400 --> 0:33:41.920
<v Speaker 1>We're fucking crazy. But I do think listen. As much

0:33:41.920 --> 0:33:44.080
<v Speaker 1>as I don't believe hip hop is to blame, I

0:33:44.120 --> 0:33:47.840
<v Speaker 1>do think that sometimes you can pour you can pour

0:33:47.960 --> 0:33:51.400
<v Speaker 1>poison on a you know, on an already weakened plant, right,

0:33:51.520 --> 0:33:53.920
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean? Like and to a certain extent,

0:33:54.040 --> 0:33:56.920
<v Speaker 1>I would be lying if I said, you know, some

0:33:57.000 --> 0:33:59.200
<v Speaker 1>of those guys in my old in my middle school

0:33:59.200 --> 0:34:01.680
<v Speaker 1>and high school who were listening to who Man did

0:34:01.680 --> 0:34:04.160
<v Speaker 1>start selling drugs? You know what I'm saying. Sure, they

0:34:04.200 --> 0:34:06.280
<v Speaker 1>weren't listening to the hip hop group, so we were listening.

0:34:06.320 --> 0:34:09.080
<v Speaker 1>So it is. I don't know. I don't know if

0:34:09.120 --> 0:34:12.080
<v Speaker 1>it's a causal, but I do know that sometimes you

0:34:12.080 --> 0:34:16.600
<v Speaker 1>can find justification to try some stuff. Because you're impressionable.

0:34:16.719 --> 0:34:19.520
<v Speaker 5>I think, certainly there's a lot of shit that I

0:34:19.560 --> 0:34:22.120
<v Speaker 5>did because I heard a rapper talk about it at

0:34:22.160 --> 0:34:22.960
<v Speaker 5>some point.

0:34:22.800 --> 0:34:24.759
<v Speaker 1>To a certain age. Most of the things I thought

0:34:24.760 --> 0:34:26.480
<v Speaker 1>were cool, I was that's where it was.

0:34:26.760 --> 0:34:28.879
<v Speaker 5>I was getting it from the source of hip hop

0:34:29.000 --> 0:34:31.040
<v Speaker 5>artists or you know, in various ways.

0:34:31.080 --> 0:34:32.799
<v Speaker 2>But I also think, and it depends on the hip

0:34:32.800 --> 0:34:34.759
<v Speaker 2>hop artists, all right, common head, you trying to wear

0:34:34.840 --> 0:34:35.719
<v Speaker 2>knit hats, And.

0:34:35.640 --> 0:34:38.520
<v Speaker 5>I also think I think some of themselves listening to

0:34:38.760 --> 0:34:42.800
<v Speaker 5>and I fully was like I wasn't engaging with Eminem behavior.

0:34:43.000 --> 0:34:44.080
<v Speaker 1>No, not at all, you know.

0:34:44.080 --> 0:34:46.480
<v Speaker 5>What I mean, Like I had no intent on putting

0:34:46.480 --> 0:34:47.600
<v Speaker 5>a woman in a trunk.

0:34:47.920 --> 0:34:51.680
<v Speaker 1>That wasn't like moving through life. I never thought Eminem

0:34:51.760 --> 0:34:52.120
<v Speaker 1>was cool.

0:34:52.520 --> 0:34:54.960
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, listening to the music, it was not like I

0:34:54.960 --> 0:34:56.160
<v Speaker 5>thought the music was good.

0:34:56.200 --> 0:34:59.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's these cartoons. I never listened to

0:34:59.640 --> 0:35:02.600
<v Speaker 1>it player Eminem album. I could never listen to an

0:35:02.640 --> 0:35:04.200
<v Speaker 1>Eminem album. I was never like, you know what I'm

0:35:04.200 --> 0:35:06.520
<v Speaker 1>gonna I'm gonna pop in the real slim shady CD.

0:35:06.719 --> 0:35:09.160
<v Speaker 1>Like that was never. I always I always give him props.

0:35:09.200 --> 0:35:11.359
<v Speaker 1>I was like, clearly, this man is super talented. He's

0:35:11.400 --> 0:35:14.360
<v Speaker 1>an amazing rapper, but a little bit like rage against

0:35:14.360 --> 0:35:16.560
<v Speaker 1>the machine. At the time, he was somebody I respected

0:35:16.640 --> 0:35:19.239
<v Speaker 1>over there. I wasn't gonna I wasn't gonna pop in

0:35:19.239 --> 0:35:21.000
<v Speaker 1>the CD and listen to it from start. I also

0:35:21.080 --> 0:35:22.960
<v Speaker 1>never liked wrap. I never cared.

0:35:23.440 --> 0:35:26.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't care about the physical skill of it like

0:35:26.560 --> 0:35:29.080
<v Speaker 2>our people like he wraps some triple kids and ship.

0:35:29.360 --> 0:35:32.720
<v Speaker 1>Never that's not like that. I would respect that because

0:35:34.320 --> 0:35:35.960
<v Speaker 1>of the roost was like that, like he would do.

0:35:36.000 --> 0:35:38.759
<v Speaker 1>He would pull off some ship early jay Z would

0:35:38.760 --> 0:35:44.480
<v Speaker 1>pull off like a not a pun but like an allegory. Exactly.

0:35:45.160 --> 0:35:47.120
<v Speaker 1>They won't get the picture till the wet pins drawn,

0:35:47.280 --> 0:35:49.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, like you still love ship like that. So

0:35:49.400 --> 0:35:50.239
<v Speaker 1>every now and then, I.

0:35:51.040 --> 0:35:53.560
<v Speaker 5>Was sitting in the back of my dad's Honda Civic

0:35:53.640 --> 0:35:58.400
<v Speaker 5>listening to Marshall Math's LP and feeling big feelings. I

0:35:58.480 --> 0:36:01.040
<v Speaker 5>ain't gonna pretend like I wasn't a big man. That said,

0:36:01.440 --> 0:36:04.480
<v Speaker 5>I think ultimately it does presume sort of. It not

0:36:04.520 --> 0:36:08.040
<v Speaker 5>only is reductive to the quality of the art form

0:36:08.440 --> 0:36:12.920
<v Speaker 5>that got introduced, it also is shortsighted in how much

0:36:13.400 --> 0:36:17.360
<v Speaker 5>these these things that we're adopting as kids, we're picking

0:36:17.480 --> 0:36:20.879
<v Speaker 5>up for sure? Are permanent or just a thing I

0:36:20.960 --> 0:36:23.280
<v Speaker 5>tried once and then never did again.

0:36:23.520 --> 0:36:25.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know what I mean, Like it was just

0:36:25.560 --> 0:36:27.200
<v Speaker 1>a phase you went through at fifteen.

0:36:27.440 --> 0:36:29.680
<v Speaker 5>I'm just figuring myself out. And I would have done

0:36:29.719 --> 0:36:32.080
<v Speaker 5>that no matter what the music was telling me to do.

0:36:32.600 --> 0:36:35.000
<v Speaker 5>I just I just happened to see a dude tell

0:36:35.040 --> 0:36:36.920
<v Speaker 5>me faster, you know what I mean.

0:36:37.120 --> 0:36:38.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's funny.

0:36:39.680 --> 0:36:41.960
<v Speaker 5>We're gonna take one more break and then we're gonna

0:36:41.960 --> 0:36:44.279
<v Speaker 5>we're gonna unpack one more thing and then get up

0:36:44.320 --> 0:36:47.560
<v Speaker 5>out of here. All right, mordiallo, riddle nor my mama told.

0:36:47.360 --> 0:37:07.399
<v Speaker 1>Me pencil or a pen We're back. We're back.

0:37:07.480 --> 0:37:10.160
<v Speaker 5>Write it down, Yeah, you go all, write it down,

0:37:10.520 --> 0:37:15.120
<v Speaker 5>write it down. We got good stuff, Dillo. Before we

0:37:15.160 --> 0:37:17.480
<v Speaker 5>went to break, or while we were arm break, you

0:37:17.520 --> 0:37:19.879
<v Speaker 5>mentioned that you have one other conspiracy.

0:37:20.160 --> 0:37:24.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, man, it concerns uh, you know a young man

0:37:24.600 --> 0:37:28.960
<v Speaker 1>who's on your walls here, Michael Jordan. And uh, this

0:37:29.120 --> 0:37:32.640
<v Speaker 1>is not shade. This is actually in some extra respect

0:37:33.239 --> 0:37:35.960
<v Speaker 1>for those of us who occasionally will have something to drink.

0:37:36.360 --> 0:37:39.879
<v Speaker 1>It is the idea that you know the famous flu game, Yeah,

0:37:40.200 --> 0:37:43.520
<v Speaker 1>famous flu game. Yeah. Our theory is that that man

0:37:43.560 --> 0:37:47.000
<v Speaker 1>did not have the flu. He was hungover. I've heard that.

0:37:47.120 --> 0:37:51.200
<v Speaker 1>I've heard that many times. Yeah, okay, yeah, because there

0:37:51.200 --> 0:37:53.240
<v Speaker 1>are people who claim they saw him out the night before.

0:37:53.640 --> 0:37:56.520
<v Speaker 5>That's that's been a big claim, is that he was drinking,

0:37:57.040 --> 0:38:00.000
<v Speaker 5>that the series was sort of in his hands.

0:38:00.440 --> 0:38:02.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he was filming, he was he was celebrating early.

0:38:02.840 --> 0:38:05.840
<v Speaker 5>He was celebrating a little early and and got sick

0:38:05.960 --> 0:38:09.960
<v Speaker 5>from all that wine and autumn cards and cigars, smoke

0:38:10.040 --> 0:38:10.960
<v Speaker 5>and whatnot.

0:38:10.600 --> 0:38:13.880
<v Speaker 1>And sneaking out of the hotel room when Oakley was

0:38:13.920 --> 0:38:14.560
<v Speaker 1>at the front door.

0:38:14.680 --> 0:38:16.480
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think when you Michael Jordan, you ain't even

0:38:16.520 --> 0:38:19.000
<v Speaker 5>really got to sneak that he walks out the fronts.

0:38:19.560 --> 0:38:21.920
<v Speaker 1>You ever heard that story, which one the one that

0:38:22.160 --> 0:38:26.960
<v Speaker 1>he was sleeping with Oakley's old lady and us Oakley,

0:38:27.520 --> 0:38:30.120
<v Speaker 1>so like he goes out over the balcony and scales

0:38:30.200 --> 0:38:34.960
<v Speaker 1>down holy ship. Yeah, I heard that. The idea I

0:38:35.000 --> 0:38:36.959
<v Speaker 1>heard that from a very famous rapper who I feel

0:38:36.960 --> 0:38:38.200
<v Speaker 1>like would not lie about someone.

0:38:38.280 --> 0:38:41.480
<v Speaker 5>But the idea that Michael Jordan would be uh somehow

0:38:41.560 --> 0:38:45.200
<v Speaker 5>murdered by Charles Oakley and and that whole ship.

0:38:45.360 --> 0:38:46.880
<v Speaker 1>It's the only person on the team who could have

0:38:46.880 --> 0:38:50.680
<v Speaker 1>done it. He would have killed him. Yeah, only would

0:38:50.719 --> 0:38:52.239
<v Speaker 1>have killed him. He would have killed him.

0:38:52.280 --> 0:38:53.120
<v Speaker 5>He would have killed that man.

0:38:53.480 --> 0:39:00.799
<v Speaker 1>It's the only person who he's like, that's fine, I

0:39:00.840 --> 0:39:01.920
<v Speaker 1>got what I needed.

0:39:03.160 --> 0:39:04.879
<v Speaker 2>I will say to the flu game of it all.

0:39:06.080 --> 0:39:08.440
<v Speaker 2>I hear that, right, I hear the idea that he

0:39:08.520 --> 0:39:11.880
<v Speaker 2>was out drinking. Michael Jordan was a dog in the

0:39:11.880 --> 0:39:14.279
<v Speaker 2>way that. I don't think a hangover pizza him like that.

0:39:14.440 --> 0:39:16.839
<v Speaker 2>I mean the amount, the amount that he would have

0:39:16.880 --> 0:39:21.040
<v Speaker 2>to consume to have him not able to play it all,

0:39:21.360 --> 0:39:23.160
<v Speaker 2>and it was still the night before a game. He

0:39:23.200 --> 0:39:25.359
<v Speaker 2>still knew what was going on. You know what I'm saying.

0:39:25.480 --> 0:39:27.400
<v Speaker 2>It's just it feels like too much to me.

0:39:27.600 --> 0:39:31.839
<v Speaker 5>For like, well, the the argument that he makes, or

0:39:32.000 --> 0:39:35.160
<v Speaker 5>that has been made about for on Michael Jordan's behalf

0:39:35.239 --> 0:39:38.640
<v Speaker 5>is the pizza, right, is that they they order a

0:39:38.680 --> 0:39:42.200
<v Speaker 5>pizza at like some odd hour. Michael Jordan asked to

0:39:42.280 --> 0:39:45.120
<v Speaker 5>order a pizza, and the pizza in theory is I've

0:39:45.200 --> 0:39:49.960
<v Speaker 5>heard that all food poison, which is how he gets sick. Now,

0:39:50.440 --> 0:39:58.480
<v Speaker 5>pizza late at night feels like a drunk ass move. Yeah,

0:39:59.640 --> 0:40:02.840
<v Speaker 5>pizza at midnight. You got the midnight ass staff and

0:40:03.000 --> 0:40:05.919
<v Speaker 5>don't finish cooking the way they're supposed to. They're putting

0:40:05.920 --> 0:40:08.000
<v Speaker 5>Pepperoni's on after fuck we forgot.

0:40:08.160 --> 0:40:10.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the doe hasn't hasn't fermented.

0:40:10.760 --> 0:40:13.600
<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, it's just a little wet, and Michael don't

0:40:13.640 --> 0:40:15.080
<v Speaker 5>notice because his mouth is numb.

0:40:15.080 --> 0:40:18.959
<v Speaker 2>He's all he tastes tequila and Charles's wife.

0:40:19.040 --> 0:40:25.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I just like the idea of somebody walking out

0:40:25.480 --> 0:40:28.400
<v Speaker 1>of the hotel and you see half half naked Michael

0:40:28.480 --> 0:40:36.920
<v Speaker 1>Jordan's sailing down. Is that a you know, they called

0:40:36.960 --> 0:40:43.680
<v Speaker 1>them cool names back then. Take the black Cat? Was that?

0:40:44.280 --> 0:40:45.360
<v Speaker 1>I know that was the shoe.

0:40:45.440 --> 0:40:47.680
<v Speaker 5>Were a lot of people saying that, calling him the

0:40:47.719 --> 0:40:50.120
<v Speaker 5>black cat. Yeah, that was the nickname he tried to

0:40:51.120 --> 0:40:51.920
<v Speaker 5>like get going.

0:40:51.960 --> 0:40:55.480
<v Speaker 2>That's what that's always felt like, because you know he's

0:40:55.480 --> 0:40:56.440
<v Speaker 2>bad at naming stuff.

0:40:56.560 --> 0:40:58.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I'm the black Cat.

0:40:58.760 --> 0:41:01.640
<v Speaker 5>There are little moments Michael Jordan's career where you get

0:41:01.640 --> 0:41:05.800
<v Speaker 5>to see that that's just a crazy person. This isn't

0:41:05.880 --> 0:41:08.040
<v Speaker 5>This isn't like this elevated brain, you know.

0:41:08.040 --> 0:41:09.400
<v Speaker 1>What I mean. It was like a tall guy from

0:41:09.400 --> 0:41:09.920
<v Speaker 1>North Carolina.

0:41:10.040 --> 0:41:12.319
<v Speaker 5>He just happened to be so good at basketball and

0:41:12.360 --> 0:41:12.919
<v Speaker 5>everything else.

0:41:13.000 --> 0:41:15.080
<v Speaker 1>Is the psycho bath? Well, you're sure, and I imagine

0:41:15.120 --> 0:41:17.759
<v Speaker 1>that once we found out there was you know, once

0:41:17.800 --> 0:41:20.359
<v Speaker 1>I found out there was a Michael Jordan's steakhouse, and

0:41:20.400 --> 0:41:21.839
<v Speaker 1>I was like, man, he looks like a guy who

0:41:21.960 --> 0:41:24.560
<v Speaker 1>enjoys a good steak me and be sure. Don't know

0:41:24.600 --> 0:41:27.720
<v Speaker 1>this this is based on no fact, but we imagine

0:41:27.760 --> 0:41:30.080
<v Speaker 1>at some point a guy, you know, is talking to

0:41:30.120 --> 0:41:34.480
<v Speaker 1>Michael and he's cutting into his fancy steak and he's like, Michael,

0:41:34.560 --> 0:41:39.120
<v Speaker 1>you know kids, why kids are killing themselves over your sneakers.

0:41:39.440 --> 0:41:42.200
<v Speaker 1>You got to lower the price. He's like, they're killing

0:41:42.200 --> 0:41:44.279
<v Speaker 1>each other with my sniggers. They're that good.

0:41:46.680 --> 0:41:49.480
<v Speaker 2>Then he just kept the price where it was. You

0:41:49.520 --> 0:41:52.840
<v Speaker 2>know what's about the steakhouse too, is what was the playlist?

0:41:53.400 --> 0:41:56.280
<v Speaker 2>Did he carry the playlist for the steakhouse? Because that sucks?

0:41:56.920 --> 0:41:58.359
<v Speaker 2>That would be the worst steakhouse ever.

0:41:59.600 --> 0:42:00.680
<v Speaker 5>I'll get is.

0:42:08.120 --> 0:42:21.160
<v Speaker 1>That you would. Then we changed the world, all of

0:42:21.160 --> 0:42:23.960
<v Speaker 1>our points of view because I studied it, we were inside.

0:42:24.000 --> 0:42:25.759
<v Speaker 5>It was the best documentary ever made.

0:42:26.040 --> 0:42:31.440
<v Speaker 2>I went drink for drink with him this.

0:42:31.600 --> 0:42:33.839
<v Speaker 5>I think we solved it. I think we we did

0:42:33.880 --> 0:42:35.359
<v Speaker 5>everything we were supposed to do together.

0:42:35.400 --> 0:42:37.160
<v Speaker 1>I think we know that there was a vast conspiracy

0:42:37.239 --> 0:42:41.239
<v Speaker 1>to put you know, n w A politics at the top,

0:42:41.600 --> 0:42:43.160
<v Speaker 1>and I think it's safe to say that you know,

0:42:43.600 --> 0:42:45.319
<v Speaker 1>Michael Jordan's party too hard.

0:42:45.800 --> 0:42:49.239
<v Speaker 5>I think certainly there was an industry working to to

0:42:49.360 --> 0:42:52.040
<v Speaker 5>promote a thing that already existed, and maybe some of

0:42:52.080 --> 0:42:55.880
<v Speaker 5>those things should have been dealt with in a in

0:42:55.920 --> 0:42:58.920
<v Speaker 5>an active way and not just reflecting at them, not

0:42:59.040 --> 0:43:01.399
<v Speaker 5>us being angry at the music, but more angry at

0:43:01.400 --> 0:43:04.200
<v Speaker 5>the systems at large. I think it's a fair way

0:43:04.239 --> 0:43:05.839
<v Speaker 5>of maybe the stream about it.

0:43:06.040 --> 0:43:07.680
<v Speaker 1>I think I think there was a big pushback on

0:43:07.719 --> 0:43:10.319
<v Speaker 1>the idea. There was a there was a big pushback

0:43:10.440 --> 0:43:13.479
<v Speaker 1>on this thing that they were all scared of being

0:43:13.520 --> 0:43:16.839
<v Speaker 1>the next boogeyman, which was reverse racism. You see it,

0:43:17.280 --> 0:43:20.000
<v Speaker 1>and you know the reaction to Public Enemy and X Clan.

0:43:20.400 --> 0:43:23.440
<v Speaker 1>You see it when Bill Clinton shuts down Sister Soldier

0:43:23.480 --> 0:43:24.920
<v Speaker 1>on that thing and then all of a sudden he

0:43:25.000 --> 0:43:27.640
<v Speaker 1>rockets to the top of the Democratic Party. There's the

0:43:27.680 --> 0:43:32.280
<v Speaker 1>cop killer controversy. I think everybody was scared of reverse racism. Hints.

0:43:32.760 --> 0:43:34.960
<v Speaker 1>It does seem to make some sense, But I do

0:43:35.040 --> 0:43:37.359
<v Speaker 1>also know that we as kids really like that eight

0:43:37.360 --> 0:43:42.799
<v Speaker 1>Await base. It felt good. You want to it's cool, man,

0:43:43.680 --> 0:43:46.160
<v Speaker 1>I was shy did that song without any instrumentation. We

0:43:46.200 --> 0:43:47.439
<v Speaker 1>all wanted to be in a duop band.

0:43:48.200 --> 0:43:54.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if you ever fall in love, I don't want

0:43:54.920 --> 0:43:57.360
<v Speaker 2>to hear Public Enemy with my clothes on that.

0:43:58.080 --> 0:44:01.719
<v Speaker 1>No makeout songs, not man, Come on, it's tough to.

0:44:02.360 --> 0:44:02.880
<v Speaker 1>It's tough to.

0:44:02.920 --> 0:44:05.239
<v Speaker 2>You got to be Professor Griff. You gotta meet kids

0:44:05.239 --> 0:44:07.279
<v Speaker 2>where they're at. You gotta wear you gotta meet kids

0:44:07.280 --> 0:44:09.240
<v Speaker 2>where they're at. The Public Enemy is for layers.

0:44:09.520 --> 0:44:14.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's for is for multiple car cards. Yeah, for

0:44:14.280 --> 0:44:18.400
<v Speaker 1>Timberland's in tall socks. Even though Rosie did look great

0:44:18.520 --> 0:44:21.160
<v Speaker 1>dancing to Public Enemy, that's business in the beginning. Yeah,

0:44:21.200 --> 0:44:24.120
<v Speaker 1>that's not how I dressed. That's our business. I said.

0:44:24.120 --> 0:44:25.759
<v Speaker 2>I dance to a lot of stuff with that. It

0:44:25.840 --> 0:44:29.439
<v Speaker 2>was it was the had because you watched the super cut,

0:44:29.719 --> 0:44:30.759
<v Speaker 2>it's all the same move.

0:44:30.880 --> 0:44:33.200
<v Speaker 1>That was my first on screen kiss as an actor,

0:44:35.239 --> 0:44:37.239
<v Speaker 1>Kiss you. You might as well quit an NBC ship

0:44:37.719 --> 0:44:41.879
<v Speaker 1>get the fut of here in twenty eighteen because I didn't. Yeah,

0:44:42.080 --> 0:44:44.640
<v Speaker 1>I didn't have any kiss twenty eighteen. I want to

0:44:44.680 --> 0:44:48.640
<v Speaker 1>put that out. Yeah, me and Rosie shared a smooch

0:44:48.719 --> 0:44:52.080
<v Speaker 1>on the NBC Rise man Man Diallo.

0:44:52.160 --> 0:44:53.560
<v Speaker 5>Tell the people where they can find you, and it

0:44:53.640 --> 0:44:55.280
<v Speaker 5>better be Rosie Perez Lips.

0:44:56.160 --> 0:44:59.479
<v Speaker 1>You can find me at Rosie fan you can find

0:44:59.480 --> 0:45:01.800
<v Speaker 1>me on the Graham at Diallo. It's just six letters

0:45:01.880 --> 0:45:04.439
<v Speaker 1>D I A L l O. If you find me there,

0:45:04.440 --> 0:45:07.560
<v Speaker 1>you'll you'll you'll be in touch with me. Follow I'll

0:45:07.560 --> 0:45:09.960
<v Speaker 1>find out everything about one song or anything else that

0:45:09.960 --> 0:45:13.040
<v Speaker 1>that we're going. And by the way, can I just

0:45:13.080 --> 0:45:15.239
<v Speaker 1>think for the record, we'd love to work with you

0:45:15.280 --> 0:45:18.279
<v Speaker 1>guys on some of our future TV shows. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:45:18.320 --> 0:45:20.479
<v Speaker 1>that's very sweet. What you got.

0:45:20.520 --> 0:45:26.840
<v Speaker 2>You can find me watching Rosie Perez supercuts. Sometimes I

0:45:26.880 --> 0:45:28.320
<v Speaker 2>get a little down. Need to pick you up, you

0:45:28.360 --> 0:45:32.840
<v Speaker 2>know what I'm saying. Cool guy, Choke City seven on Instagram.

0:45:33.280 --> 0:45:34.160
<v Speaker 1>That's it. Yeah.

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0:45:55.200 --> 0:45:56.480
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