Speaker 1: To this day, I feel weird eating pepperoni on my pizza.
Speaker 1: Why because if you ate pork, you know, back then
Speaker 1: you were a sucker, you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 1: or you hid that ship they like if you listen
Speaker 1: to the East Coast tipob generation brother. By the way,
Speaker 1: the eighties ran a train on y'all. We're going.
Speaker 2: If my pepperoni wasn't there, I was, you know, stuff
Speaker 2: crust just came out.
Speaker 3: My chips in your.
Speaker 1: Kala bears are.
Speaker 3: Racist money and turkey stuff.
Speaker 1: Ya can't tell me.
Speaker 4: Everlasting omni presence is my present state of being seen,
Speaker 4: the unpleasant sight of righteous souls live like peasants, the
Speaker 4: mind stunts growth in adolescents, welcome little Mama's and gentiles
Speaker 4: the light to another phenomenal episode of My Mama told
Speaker 4: me crazy.
Speaker 5: Maybe we dive deep pockets black conspiracy theories.
Speaker 2: And we finally worked to prove whatever it is we're
Speaker 2: doing here today.
Speaker 1: You know what that's from? What? Uh? You ever like
Speaker 1: Quincy Jones album Back on the Block? Yeah? Wow, part
Speaker 1: on that? Yeah yeah yeah. I used to play that
Speaker 1: when I was a little kid. It was like, I
Speaker 1: don't think it really means anything, but I was a kid.
Speaker 1: I used to listen to that ship over and over.
Speaker 5: You know, I thought it was gonna be like Pharaoh
Speaker 5: monk oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I just feel like.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of the same rhyme with words bigger.
Speaker 1: I thought it was clan. Yeah, everybody, everybody was on that,
Speaker 1: especially anybody who was in New York based at that time. Right, right,
Speaker 1: what year did that album come out? Is that ninety
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety.
Speaker 2: Maybe around there. Yeah, was a kind of rap that.
Speaker 2: As a kid from the West Coast, I thought everybody
Speaker 2: in New York was smart, you really, just like the
Speaker 2: whole like just like early nineties New York rap. I
Speaker 2: was like, this genus.
Speaker 1: Is yeah you know what I mean? Yeah, King T No,
Speaker 1: no like swaying King Tech. Yeah yeah, who's the guy
Speaker 1: who did fuck Compton? Who is that? I don't know
Speaker 1: who that is.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about King T am I making that up.
Speaker 2: You know what's funny. I recently spent a little time
Speaker 2: with Twist, and Twista was talking about King T.
Speaker 1: That West Coast rapper out of Compton.
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, he was a Twist named King T is
Speaker 5: one of his his big influences early. Really, I can
Speaker 5: see that. I can see that.
Speaker 1: Uh you know what I've been thinking. N yeah. Man. Uh.
Speaker 2: The fact that all these all AI influencers are starting
Speaker 2: out black feels like some sinister way for them to
Speaker 2: control the culture.
Speaker 1: It's real nasty.
Speaker 2: It's it's like it feels like the worst ship coming
Speaker 2: out were the AI influencers. I don't think I know this.
Speaker 2: It's gonna upset you.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Wait, we're saying these are like fake.
Speaker 1: It's like a timblance thing, right, but not.
Speaker 2: A musician, Like it's just a So it's just like
Speaker 2: a fake black woman who's like goes to McDonald's.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's crazy.
Speaker 5: And she talks about like an argument she got in
Speaker 5: at work and like, oh, this is a funny thing
Speaker 5: that happened to me, but like she's not real.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 1: I saw one where it was like it was supposed
Speaker 1: to be a black female soldier celebrating the ceasefire of
Speaker 1: Iran in Israel, and she was like pleasant being the
Speaker 1: peace makers, like she's got all these like other soldiers
Speaker 1: mainly white, like cheering behind her. And of course it
Speaker 1: turned out it was fake. It wasn't a real soldiery.
Speaker 1: They want a black coat side, so bad on this.
Speaker 1: It does a lot of work for them.
Speaker 2: It's really put there to do boxing into such lengths.
Speaker 2: It's a lot of water to make that ship. Man,
Speaker 2: it's a lot of water.
Speaker 1: This man.
Speaker 5: One of them, Diamond and Silk died and they're like,
Speaker 5: we need we got we need a replacement.
Speaker 1: There is a hole in our roster. We lost diamond.
Speaker 2: I don't give a funk about the salary. Yeah, diving
Speaker 2: was definitely a power forward as far.
Speaker 5: As Yeah, I don't even know she's the devil, but
Speaker 5: yeah whatever, one of them Milk, diamond or they did.
Speaker 1: One of them, one of them died, one of them. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Do you ever think there's like a diamond and silk
Speaker 2: who were just like stripping out of a club in Houston, Like, damn,
Speaker 2: I hate that.
Speaker 5: Oh right, that diamond and Silk wasn't originally like somebody
Speaker 5: had made that.
Speaker 1: Comy it come together. No, not at all.
Speaker 5: Yeah, diamonds on silk sounds exquisite. Yeah, that sounds nice.
Speaker 5: I I will say silk. I always have some trepidation.
Speaker 5: I'm too fat for silk. Yeah, it's just it's hot.
Speaker 5: It's hot. Silk has hurt you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I had some Silk Boxers at the time,
Speaker 2: and it's like, man, you don't even go up to
Speaker 2: two XL.
Speaker 1: Then yeah, if this is what it's gonna do, what
Speaker 1: it's going to be, Like, are you a silk guy, dude?
Speaker 1: I never I never really thought about it before. I'm
Speaker 1: embarrassed to say that. I don't know enough about them
Speaker 1: to know which one passed. But I do know that,
Speaker 1: uh that that co sign is so important, you know, like, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, and Cannice Owens was their coast sign for
Speaker 1: a long time, but then she went off, she went road,
Speaker 1: and she went road a little bit and aruably back
Speaker 1: to her roots. Arguably.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, she's still being a dick about it. But yeah,
Speaker 5: she's i mean, pretending she's on Black People's it's scary.
Speaker 1: It's all very she's a little yeah, I mean like
Speaker 1: it's it's it's weird times. Obviously, I don't want to
Speaker 1: get into anything too timely because we want this to
Speaker 1: be an evergreen sure podcast, but like we do, it's
Speaker 1: a really weird that's the good. I want them to
Speaker 1: consume it this week and not think about it again.
Speaker 1: That's true, that's true. I was just gonna say, like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just it's just weird. I I'm still
Speaker 1: from that old school, you know crew that thinks that, like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's you gotta like look out for your folks.
Speaker 1: But I guess a person like Canna thinks that that's
Speaker 1: exactly what she's doing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I, or at least has has created an illusion
Speaker 5: where she pretends that that's what she's thinking. She we
Speaker 5: haven't even introduced you yet.
Speaker 1: I've just been talking no.
Speaker 5: And that's how we prefer. Frankly, it works better when
Speaker 5: y'all just jump in rather than look at us be
Speaker 5: idiots for as long as we can sometimes be. But
Speaker 5: our guest today, we couldn't be excited more excited that
Speaker 5: he said.
Speaker 1: We couldn't be excited. We couldn't be excited. This sucks.
Speaker 1: This sucks that he came. We invited them. We thought
Speaker 1: he wouldn't show up. We put some nasty messages in
Speaker 1: that invite. I never read too long, didn't read. He's phenomenal.
Speaker 1: You know him.
Speaker 5: You know him as one of the creators of Southside,
Speaker 5: you know him as one of the creators of Sherman Showcase.
Speaker 5: My former boss uh we we my my nemesis on screen.
Speaker 1: I love that. I do love that we have that legacy.
Speaker 5: We will always be Yeah, and Adam Bethune.
Speaker 2: He can ask you, guys, because you're in the room. Now,
Speaker 2: what's that Bethune is such a specific last name? Does
Speaker 2: that come from a person that someone new?
Speaker 1: We could talk about that.
Speaker 5: Oh, I know his answer, but he won't admit his answer.
Speaker 5: And I only know his answer because Basher eventually broke
Speaker 5: and gave me the answer of where this original character.
Speaker 2: It's too specific names too, It's too specific in a
Speaker 2: way that feels real.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I know the exact source
Speaker 1: of this character. Can't wait. But you know, like it
Speaker 1: says in the NFL all credits, you know, none of
Speaker 1: these cacharacters are based on living.
Speaker 2: Of course, I believe everything I read after TV shows
Speaker 2: you have to man.
Speaker 5: He and more importantly most importantly, hosts a brilliant podcast
Speaker 5: called One Song Give It Up for our guest, mister
Speaker 5: Diallo Riddle City by Yeah.
Speaker 1: City Boys, up for now, for now? Yea, Now, thanks
Speaker 1: for being here. I really like I'm but thanks for
Speaker 1: being here because I read those nasty messages and we
Speaker 1: did think for a second. You know what I'm going
Speaker 1: to show up and it's going to be a locked
Speaker 1: up building on you know, it's a shady street, it's
Speaker 1: very short. You know, there's a lot of I don't
Speaker 1: know the backstory on. I imagine it's it's probably racist,
Speaker 1: but that's maybe. Don't say the street name anymore. Our
Speaker 1: fans are on him, it's like a problem.
Speaker 2: They're mostly I've had a lot of memories on this
Speaker 2: street that may not go named because I used to Well,
Speaker 2: I can't.
Speaker 1: Talk about it anyway.
Speaker 5: Let's go No, it's okay, let's okay, diolo. You came
Speaker 5: to us with two conspiracies today. Yes, we're going to
Speaker 5: start with the first one and then we'll find our
Speaker 5: way to the second one. I think is the natural
Speaker 5: segue that I've imagined.
Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about it, because you know, I got
Speaker 1: so much love online for my last appearance on the show.
Speaker 1: You came on and you you put your fist down
Speaker 1: and said, I don't think Michael Jackson had it appropriate.
Speaker 1: I think he had an appropriate relationship with this kid.
Speaker 1: I don't think he was having sex with him. And
Speaker 1: then a lot of people came out of the wood
Speaker 1: where you're like, oh, man, you must be a part
Speaker 1: of the Illuminati. Like you know, people just thought I
Speaker 1: was like, you sick, you had those freak offs. We
Speaker 1: didn't know about the freak offs. Yeah, but see that
Speaker 1: was a I wish we could have done that episode
Speaker 1: back then because no, seriously, nobody ever thinks about vaginal
Speaker 1: intercourse for the Illuminati.
Speaker 2: WHOA I think I think the good order with traditional sex,
Speaker 2: but can I eat aals still pretty traditional?
Speaker 1: This is now, this is your rehima. Can I just
Speaker 1: say My college roommate was Ryan Leslie. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I remember he was like the first creative
Speaker 1: person that I ever met who had he is the
Speaker 1: dollars off of just being creative. And at the same
Speaker 1: time I would be like, oh man, what's it like,
Speaker 1: you know, like working at like the highest level. He's like, well,
Speaker 1: you gotta remember I worked for Public. Like I could
Speaker 1: see the stress come over his face just for saying like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, I worked for a guy. And that was
Speaker 1: about the time I was like, you know what, it's
Speaker 1: a bad sign when everybody you worked with, every single
Speaker 1: person you work with, you've had a major falling out with,
Speaker 1: you know, and the one person who you did have
Speaker 1: a major public falling out with died in front of
Speaker 1: the Peterson Museum. You know what I'm saying, Like.
Speaker 5: On one of the busiest streets offer absolutely like truly
Speaker 5: in retrospect and insane place for a person to get murdered.
Speaker 1: There was more traffic on that street back then. I
Speaker 1: feel like the old min Woeshire area was kind of
Speaker 1: popping back then. Like when you first moved to la
Speaker 1: you got an apartment on mid Waleshire and then you
Speaker 1: would go shopping to the Beverly Center. Like our center
Speaker 1: of gravity, especially for black folks, was very different back then.
Speaker 1: Bad Burger was still popular. We didn't really fuck within
Speaker 1: and now so you go to the fat Burger that
Speaker 1: used to be right by the Beverly Center. This is
Speaker 1: like ninety nine shit, you know what I mean. When
Speaker 1: I first moved out here, So.
Speaker 5: Diallo your first conspiracy that you came with today, I
Speaker 5: got so many, you said, my mama told me.
Speaker 1: The music industry decided against the rap would replace the
Speaker 1: militant sound of public Enemy and explain. You know, as
Speaker 1: a hip hop fan in the late eighties, in the
Speaker 1: early earliest nineties, you know you couldn't miss the fact
Speaker 1: that hip hop had become, as Chuck D said the
Speaker 1: CNN for black people. You know what I'm saying, It
Speaker 1: was a time when, like you know, and a lot
Speaker 1: of our earliest political views were formed in this you know,
Speaker 1: concoction made of like bomb squad hip hop production beats
Speaker 1: and like the furious sort of like I'm going to
Speaker 1: let you know it. It was a very sort of
Speaker 1: preacher style of rap to Chuck D became famous. You
Speaker 1: were learning a lesson, You were learning stuff. Man, we're
Speaker 1: heading for self destruction. KRS one was huge. Ex Klan
Speaker 1: was huge, Like we were getting a huge just quoting
Speaker 1: cool mod Like everybody, especially on the on the West
Speaker 1: Coast in the you know, late eighties, really was coming
Speaker 1: up with this very pro black vibe that you felt
Speaker 1: like was born in Harlem on one twenty fifth near
Speaker 1: Shrine seven, you know what I'm saying. Like even people
Speaker 1: who weren't known for like necessarily political rapping, like the
Speaker 1: Far Side, they were like, if there's pork in your bowl,
Speaker 1: it's jacobou tah what it's jigaboota like think about it,
Speaker 1: like you know, and like Wu Tang and Tribe and
Speaker 1: all of them were like five percenters. You know. It
Speaker 1: was just it was a different time in hip hop,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't a long time in hip hop. Y.
Speaker 1: I would say from like you know, maybe eighty eight,
Speaker 1: when it takes a nation of millions to hold us back.
Speaker 1: People forget Yo Bum rushed the show by Public Enemy.
Speaker 1: I think that's eighty six or eighty seven. It wasn't.
Speaker 1: It had some of that political stuff, but it wasn't
Speaker 1: like the Driving Force. It takes a nation of millions
Speaker 1: to hold us back with songs like you know, I
Speaker 1: got a letter from the government the other day. I read,
Speaker 1: opened it and read it said it with suckers, you know,
Speaker 1: like from that album. I would say, all the way
Speaker 1: until the Chronic there was that's grain years. That's only
Speaker 1: like four years, I would argue came out ninety two,
Speaker 1: Chronic came out, I want to say, either late ninety
Speaker 1: one or like April ninety two. But I do think
Speaker 1: West killed hip hop. I don't think it killed it,
Speaker 1: but I do think that the shiny production of dre
Speaker 1: as opposed to the almost cluttered see here's what Citra,
Speaker 1: the clutter production of the Bomb Squad. It was like
Speaker 1: people made a choice and the choice was g funk
Speaker 1: clean production. Like it just it changed overnight. And I
Speaker 1: feel like I was the perfect age to witness that
Speaker 1: change because and I hope I'm not being low witted here,
Speaker 1: but when I did an episode of our podcast with Questlove,
Speaker 1: but we were listening to the Bomb Squad production, one
Speaker 1: of the thirty year old producers on our show was like, man,
Speaker 1: there's no base in this, and I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: you're right. Bublic Keenemy didn't really have like it wasn't
Speaker 1: it was. It was based for like a beat up
Speaker 1: Sony walkman, right, you know what I mean. It was
Speaker 1: a lot more about like the snare than it was
Speaker 1: the base. Krona came out. Everybody was at alan As
Speaker 1: trying to put woofers in their trunk, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, because the base that ate a weight, It's
Speaker 1: I always said, they ate a wight is like a
Speaker 1: black man's massage, you know what I mean. It's like
Speaker 1: those It's like those chairs that you used to see.
Speaker 1: It like the car wash that you like put a
Speaker 1: quarner in and get a massage like you Oh, it
Speaker 1: was like it was warm, it was comforting. As a
Speaker 1: friend of mine one said when you hear that ate
Speaker 1: A wait, the conversation is complete, you know what.
Speaker 5: I and you're saying that that was a conscious choice
Speaker 5: to sort of like make this shit carely say, and
Speaker 5: a subconscious one that they then accepted at large.
Speaker 1: Well, look, I think it can go one or two ways.
Speaker 1: My brother, who's older than me, you know, love Public Enemy.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be talking a lot about my brother Tony
Speaker 1: in this episode because he's the person who sort of,
Speaker 1: maybe more than my mama, introduced me to both of
Speaker 1: these ideas. Yeah, and he never got into like gangster rap.
Speaker 1: He never really even got into like mob deep and
Speaker 1: like the East Coast version of whatever gangster rap was
Speaker 1: and the you know, the bad boy sound. He never
Speaker 1: got into that. He loved Public Enemy for his political message.
Speaker 1: We would often get into debates because he was like,
Speaker 1: I think they decided, look, we can't have black people
Speaker 1: feeling like this militant is definitely like, you know, you
Speaker 1: got to remember it culturally, Spike Lee's do the Right
Speaker 1: Thing comes out, you know, fight the powers like a
Speaker 1: number one jam in the streets, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And then literally in about eighteen months, it didn't even
Speaker 1: like two years eighteen months later, it's the chronic. It's
Speaker 1: doctor Dre It's like Snoop. I used to take the
Speaker 1: point of view that people like this music more and
Speaker 1: you know music in our Message, which was another public
Speaker 1: Enemdia album or can't trust it, Like, I felt like
Speaker 1: they lost the youth, they lost the sound, they lost
Speaker 1: the years, and this other stuff was just more esthetically pleasing.
Speaker 1: It didn't have the political message, you know, at least
Speaker 1: not stated the same way. Do you where do you
Speaker 1: put into Wa in this timeline? Then? Oh, okay, So
Speaker 1: here's what's interesting in Wa. NWA, I would say, sort
Speaker 1: of started to blow up in like nineteen eighty eight. Okay,
Speaker 1: so there are two trains running at the same time.
Speaker 1: On the East coast, you've got everybody from Kolmo d
Speaker 1: to Public Enemy, like you've got Kris Won a big
Speaker 1: factor in all this, right ex clan, they're all poor,
Speaker 1: righteous teachers, they're all on one thing. On the West coast,
Speaker 1: the dominant force is in Wa. And I'll never forget
Speaker 1: the first time I heard in w A. It was
Speaker 1: the one white guy at my high school who was
Speaker 1: really into NWA and we had to ride to the
Speaker 1: science the science Fair together. He's like, he's like, you
Speaker 1: listen to this, and I remember, you know easy like
Speaker 1: you know or ice Cube. We all said fuck you bitch,
Speaker 1: just kept going, you know, like I was like, what
Speaker 1: the hell is listen to? But he was really into it.
Speaker 1: And I found out once I got to college, I
Speaker 1: was like, yo, n w A had tons of white fans,
Speaker 1: like it definitely had like it's it's it's street thing.
Speaker 1: But like most of the black kids, I went to
Speaker 1: school that was pretty much one hundred percent black. We
Speaker 1: had three non black students. We had Joel, we had who,
Speaker 1: we had crazy.
Speaker 5: Trand Okay, and we.
Speaker 2: Had whorehe Ramos and I remember its crazy. I assumed
Speaker 2: the three were going to be white. That's not no.
Speaker 1: We had a unitedations of non black students, three out
Speaker 1: of like six hundred kids at our school. And it
Speaker 1: just so happened that Joel was one of the biggest
Speaker 1: n WA fans. I think we know why. I think
Speaker 1: that's the survival was he.
Speaker 2: Was surrounding is scared and alone.
Speaker 1: He needs to feel strong. He had something rebellians, and
Speaker 1: he found his voice of rebellion.
Speaker 2: The Devil was School, Atlanta, Georgia, Okay, So do you
Speaker 2: not feel like do you feel like it was similar
Speaker 2: things on the West Coast where the music was coming
Speaker 2: out of you. I'm sorry say that, like because you're
Speaker 2: talking about like it just feels like regional more than
Speaker 2: it feels like a direct effort to like you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, they were gang banging out here.
Speaker 1: It's like what they were on, right, Yeah, there was
Speaker 1: something of the sauce in l A. I mean, like
Speaker 1: there were rappers like King T who I feel like
Speaker 1: we're trying to get on that ex clan bo you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like if you go back and
Speaker 1: listening to some of his stuff, people forget that. When
Speaker 1: Ice Cube eventually leaves an NWA, what's the first thing
Speaker 1: he does. He gets the loan to become his bodyguards
Speaker 1: and he releases I believe it was America's most wanted
Speaker 1: He got on the militant, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like that was his way of sort of stepping away
Speaker 1: from what Easy and the rest of them were doing.
Speaker 1: If they were doing sort of like an apolitical this
Speaker 1: is street life ice Cube was doing. You know, fuck
Speaker 1: you ice Cube, Like he was like he was taking
Speaker 1: on the man.
Speaker 5: You know what I mean, so yeah, he really shifted
Speaker 5: like fuck the police into political sort of like jargon,
Speaker 5: not just like survival technique.
Speaker 1: Right by the way, the guys, my core group of
Speaker 1: friends who were all into public anyway at the time,
Speaker 1: Ice Cube was our West Coast rapper when he made
Speaker 1: that transition, because he's like, oh see now, now the
Speaker 1: West Coast is about to get like you know what
Speaker 1: they're doing out here. By the way, we're in Atlanta.
Speaker 1: Atlanta doesn't really have a seam a hip hop sis, right,
Speaker 1: Like everybody at our school basically had to make a choice.
Speaker 1: You either listened to West Coast or West Coast at
Speaker 1: Jason stuff like there was pooh Man out of out
Speaker 1: of Texas. I think, you know, I was wondering, what
Speaker 1: were you guys into Texas stuff? There was there were again,
Speaker 1: there there were two constituencies. There was the people who
Speaker 1: listened to Scarface and West Coast or you were like
Speaker 1: my click, which was like who are righteous teachers? Tribe
Speaker 1: called quest Day La Soul, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: There was no like regional sceni. Yet you know, we
Speaker 1: had y'allso Stupid, which was a group that is long,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Hey, listen, go back and
Speaker 1: listen to you also stupid, not bad. There was a
Speaker 1: group called Parental Advisory.
Speaker 5: That's such a funny way, go back and listen.
Speaker 1: They tried their best. Actually, don't think listen, I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember who they tried to sound like.
Speaker 1: The Parental Advisory was another group that eventually became Rico
Speaker 1: Wade and eventually became Dungeon.
Speaker 2: Family and Organization. Yeah, so like the seas were there,
Speaker 2: but nobody was popping.
Speaker 1: If you went to an Atlanta party in nineteen nine one,
Speaker 1: which I did in uh was I in middle school?
Speaker 1: I think I was in middle school. It was all
Speaker 1: bass music. It was all booty shape. It was three
Speaker 1: hours of Luther Campbell and Gucci Gucci Crew and Black
Speaker 1: Pack and all that kind of music. Like, yeah, it
Speaker 1: was just it was just we was just booty shaking
Speaker 1: and yiking it up.
Speaker 5: So like when you talk about this, uh, this supposed transition, right,
Speaker 5: is this a music industry that you're picturing sort of
Speaker 5: like making a collective call.
Speaker 1: So the collective call, according to you know, my brother
Speaker 1: and I think there might be something to this is
Speaker 1: that it's easy to forget how controversial Public Enemy was
Speaker 1: at the time, like they even start off one of
Speaker 1: their albums with like, oh, I see these guys how
Speaker 1: they opened for the Beastie Boys. I was so offensive.
Speaker 1: I was so offended, Like, you know, they've got like
Speaker 1: the typical white guy calling you calling guy caller who
Speaker 1: we don't know. I could be like, oh, that was
Speaker 1: the you know, the Robert Downey Junior show or whatever
Speaker 1: that is, like you know.
Speaker 2: Robert Downey ju there was a guy more down U
Speaker 2: that is, you know, like.
Speaker 1: He would probably tell you the source. But like, there
Speaker 1: were a lot of people who were like, what Public
Speaker 1: Enemy is doing is not cool. And listen, there's some
Speaker 1: lyrics there that are questionable. But what ended up happening was,
Speaker 1: at least according to some, was this idea that hey,
Speaker 1: why don't we you know, you know, take this in
Speaker 1: a different direction because there was more gatekeeping back in
Speaker 1: music industry in general back then, for quality control reasons
Speaker 1: and for messaging. You know, Like, it's just hard for
Speaker 1: me to believe that they actually just sat down and
Speaker 1: did it when I know that, you know, riding the
Speaker 1: band bus, you know games, I know what kids were
Speaker 1: getting excited about, and we were getting excited you know,
Speaker 1: there was like a transition around ninety one ninety two
Speaker 1: where I don't think p would have fit into it
Speaker 1: because they were still doing their political message music. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: me and my friends are hitting puberty and we wanted
Speaker 1: to hear Joonasy. We wanted to hear Mary J. Blige's
Speaker 1: first album, you know what I mean like here, So
Speaker 1: there wasn't like a conscious decision on it. I don't
Speaker 1: I don't think on any of our behalf to start
Speaker 1: listening to a more party salacious. Uh, let's look up
Speaker 1: a girl's type music. I think that's look up to
Speaker 1: a girl to a public enemy.
Speaker 5: Try.
Speaker 1: To chill.
Speaker 5: You got to turn that down, man, I'm trying to
Speaker 5: get some pussy over here.
Speaker 1: Literally tell public less chill, you know, like we need.
Speaker 1: Is bumming me out.
Speaker 5: I literally can't.
Speaker 1: I can't vote yet. You wish you to break what
Speaker 1: I can do? I can't do his finger. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: could get some back. We're gonna take a break.
Speaker 5: We need to take a break, and when we come back,
Speaker 5: we're going to do some research. I did some research
Speaker 5: on this conspiracy that I want to throw away more
Speaker 5: Diallo riddle more.
Speaker 1: My mama told me.
Speaker 3: Yea I look you good, I'll feel good and you
Speaker 3: sing good and.
Speaker 1: Make love good. Oh we're back, We're back. I know
Speaker 1: that clip.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I love that that interviews I think ever recording
Speaker 5: man uh diallo. We're still talking about this conspiracy that
Speaker 5: there was somehow a conscious effort to change the music industry.
Speaker 5: And while there aren't a lot of official records on
Speaker 5: what this was, one of the conspiracy theories, or rather
Speaker 5: the root of the conspiracy theory, comes from a supposed meeting,
Speaker 5: of a literal meeting that they had between a bunch
Speaker 5: of record executives out here in LA. In fact, this
Speaker 5: originally comes from a supposed letter that got sent to
Speaker 5: a site called hip hop is Read on April twenty fourth,
Speaker 5: twenty twelve. Now, in the letter, there's this synonymous source
Speaker 5: that claims to have been present at a nineteen ninety
Speaker 5: one meeting where a number of music decision makers were
Speaker 5: all there. It was comprised of twenty five to thirty
Speaker 5: people equally powerful in the music industry, and they as
Speaker 5: well as about five attendees who no one knew. Apparently
Speaker 5: they were also like shadowy figures.
Speaker 1: Didn't even couldn't even place, but were allowed to sign Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is a dark restaurant, shadowy figures, it's just dargeting there.
Speaker 5: They say that this meeting was basically exactly what has
Speaker 5: always been theorized that these these recordar executives were buying
Speaker 5: into public or private prisons. That essentially they had gotten
Speaker 5: some sweet deal on buying private prisons, and they needed
Speaker 5: to fill the private prisons, and the movement of ex
Speaker 5: Clan of Public Enemy all these groups was not helping
Speaker 5: to serve the filling of these private prisons. Thus they
Speaker 5: need gangster rap to become the sort of like replacing source.
Speaker 1: Well, let me tell you why this does track. There's
Speaker 1: a there's an artist in an album that I haven't
Speaker 1: mentioned at all. Iced Tea came out with cop Killer, Yeah,
Speaker 1: which is which was a rock song rock rap hybrid
Speaker 1: that I feel like very few rap people even listen to.
Speaker 2: I hate it. It's not the greatest, it's not great music,
Speaker 2: but it caused such a stir when it came out, like,
Speaker 2: you know, fuck, the police had caused some ruggers cop
Speaker 2: killer just like it was on the nightly news like
Speaker 2: all the time, and they started putting labels on music,
Speaker 2: and that I think that that I'm pretty sure that
Speaker 2: like Warner Brothers had to like release its you know,
Speaker 2: contract on that album and stuff. It's a very in
Speaker 2: terms of censorship, a very important record, and I do
Speaker 2: believe that it probably came out in ninety or ninety one.
Speaker 2: I totally believe that in the light of cop Killer,
Speaker 2: in addition to all this x CLAM stuff, there's a
Speaker 2: lot of you know, cross pollination with Public Enemy and
Speaker 2: the Minister Lewis Ferricon at the time. I do believe
Speaker 2: that they would probably say, you know what, fuck this,
Speaker 2: you know, like we have to start, you know, monitoring
Speaker 2: what we are releasing to the public.
Speaker 1: Yeah. At the same time, it's ironic that the chronic
Speaker 1: you know, I think I think two things can be true.
Speaker 1: I think that meeting could have absolutely taken place. But
Speaker 1: I also think that Dre is just an incredibly talented person.
Speaker 1: I think that he had been working and listening with
Speaker 1: the rap group Above the Law, which you know, if
Speaker 1: you guys don't know, I'd go find the song Black Superman.
Speaker 1: It's a great song they were experimenting with using that
Speaker 1: high synth that everybody associates with Job. He's using the
Speaker 1: same studio over here, on kuwanga that they're using. So
Speaker 1: they're listening to each other, and the Chronic came out,
Speaker 1: I want to say, right before Above the Law dropped
Speaker 1: their album, so he kind of came out first. And
Speaker 1: so because I'll tell you, when the kind of came out,
Speaker 1: you knew it was a game change. Yeah, you knew
Speaker 1: that that album was. It's like get Richard Died Trying.
Speaker 1: There's certain albums when they come out you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be hard for for hip hop to go
Speaker 1: back to whatever it was after this album, and everybody's
Speaker 1: got a dress like this. Oh yes, yeah exactly. He
Speaker 1: came out and I said, I gotta get a bulletproof
Speaker 1: best exactly exactly. I just think that it's like when
Speaker 1: Graduation Beat whatever fifty album was coming out at that time,
Speaker 1: you know, after the Chronic, just everything else sounded so
Speaker 1: old and to a teenage or a young teenager, things
Speaker 1: that are two years ago or like really old. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right. I do think it's the sixth of my
Speaker 1: life ago.
Speaker 5: I do think that to your point there there is
Speaker 5: sort of like this nasty presumption that the music wasn't
Speaker 5: evolving and getting better, but it was just like lateral
Speaker 5: shift to gangster Ship. Instead of it being like no,
Speaker 5: they were for real pushing the art form. They just
Speaker 5: also happened to be talking about a different type of violence.
Speaker 1: And by the way, I you know, some of it
Speaker 1: is just star power. Like when Snoop came into the studio,
Speaker 1: he was in the studio while they were recording the
Speaker 1: Chronic every single day, right, they said you couldn't kick
Speaker 1: Snoop back because he was like, this is my one
Speaker 1: chance to do anything in life. So he was like
Speaker 1: nineteen right, he was like there are other rappers who
Speaker 1: were supposed to be just his biggest Snoop on the Chronic,
Speaker 1: but like he didn't leave the studio, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, So, like, you know, Warren g would even
Speaker 1: be like, hey, you know, we thought, hey this is cool,
Speaker 1: but let's go let's go out and do something. That
Speaker 1: stud was like I'm here. He was like, I'm just
Speaker 1: going to record my vocals over and over. I'm going
Speaker 1: to make sure they sound perfect. And so by the
Speaker 1: time the Chronic comes out, not only is Dre like
Speaker 1: sort of peeking in terms of his production prowess, He's
Speaker 1: got this six foot something tall, skinny dude, who you
Speaker 1: know is an absolute you know.
Speaker 5: It's a beat like we've never heard before.
Speaker 1: It kind of looks like a dopamin and has I'm
Speaker 1: going to make a billion dollars and he and and
Speaker 1: content wise, he's been more influenced by what was going
Speaker 1: on with n w A than with Public Enemy all
Speaker 1: these there are days, there are songs like the day
Speaker 1: the Niggas took over. There are there are attempts to
Speaker 1: talk about the riots in l A at that time,
Speaker 1: But it's not a political album the same way this
Speaker 1: is a street life album. And after that, like the
Speaker 1: you know, the East Coast even changes to adapt, you know,
Speaker 1: so all of a sudden, it's not the Day Last
Speaker 1: Souls and the tribes who are doing their own type
Speaker 1: of militant, you know, sort of pro black messaging. It
Speaker 1: becomes like, what what is what is the what is
Speaker 1: the East Coast version of this? It's mob deep, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, it's plus you know, we're going
Speaker 1: to talk about the street life that's going on in
Speaker 1: our hoods.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I I as as sort of a dorky ass
Speaker 5: attempt at unpacking this. Did a Google search of does
Speaker 5: rap music lead to violence, which I know is a very.
Speaker 1: Cop You said it's all. That's all you said it.
Speaker 1: I respond with, well, that's the thing.
Speaker 5: So this in two thousand and six, the question about
Speaker 5: a study about a study from two thousand and six
Speaker 5: from the Prevention Research Center of the Pacific Institute for Research.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of research and evaluation in Berkeley, California
Speaker 5: which suggests young people who listen to rap and hip
Speaker 5: hop are more likely to abuse alcohol and commit violent X. Now,
Speaker 5: one of the key points that they harp on in
Speaker 5: this study show that increased alcohol consumption related to alcohol's
Speaker 5: promotion in the songs. Right that, like, the more you
Speaker 5: hear about it promoted, the more you're likely to consume it.
Speaker 5: When passive Kevasier comes out, KVASI cs bigger numbers. Right Now,
Speaker 5: Here's where it gets a little short sighted for me
Speaker 5: is that ultimately, at its best, I think they're saying
Speaker 5: that alcohol sales overall have gone up simply by doing that.
Speaker 5: But it's not necessarily addressing the.
Speaker 1: Black of it.
Speaker 5: All right, that's just this is popular, therefore people are
Speaker 5: doing it, But that's not talking about black people. That's
Speaker 5: not necessarily talking about kids specifically, and then in two
Speaker 5: thousand and two, there was a study that found that
Speaker 5: black kids statistically actually drink less alcohol despite being exposed
Speaker 5: to sixty six percent more ads for beer and ale
Speaker 5: sales and eighty one percent more ads for spirits. That like,
Speaker 5: we are constantly being barbared with this shit and are
Speaker 5: not drinking at the same time.
Speaker 1: I just say, when I when I first got to college,
Speaker 1: every every white kid there had a fake ID, every
Speaker 1: single one, and most of the black kids did not
Speaker 1: drink at all. No, So I one hundred percent believe that.
Speaker 1: And look, let's let's let's let's get real. All of
Speaker 1: the street crimes that you know Snoop was trying to
Speaker 1: be sound like a pimp from the seventies, Well, there
Speaker 1: was no gangster rap in the seventies. I reject this
Speaker 1: idea that all of a sudden, because of gangster rap
Speaker 1: that things got more violent. I think that there were
Speaker 1: things that were already there. They would have been there
Speaker 1: if we've been listening to the whole to the Ohio players,
Speaker 1: I think I don't know, yeah, one hundred percent, I
Speaker 1: think that the ball was already in motion.
Speaker 5: I don't I think to your to your earlier earliest point.
Speaker 1: This is, uh, this is a reflection of the community
Speaker 1: at large, regardless of what they decide ends up on
Speaker 1: the radio. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 5: Our our neighborhoods, legit are looking and experiencing these things.
Speaker 5: It's not it's not like, oh suddenly we just started
Speaker 5: making up yeah because we saw or because the music
Speaker 5: execs were like, hey, you got to be violent now,
Speaker 5: yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, No, we'll stab each other and
Speaker 5: kill each other.
Speaker 1: We're fucking crazy. But I do think listen. As much
Speaker 1: as I don't believe hip hop is to blame, I
Speaker 1: do think that sometimes you can pour you can pour
Speaker 1: poison on a you know, on an already weakened plant, right,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like and to a certain extent,
Speaker 1: I would be lying if I said, you know, some
Speaker 1: of those guys in my old in my middle school
Speaker 1: and high school who were listening to who Man did
Speaker 1: start selling drugs? You know what I'm saying. Sure, they
Speaker 1: weren't listening to the hip hop group, so we were listening.
Speaker 1: So it is. I don't know. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's a causal, but I do know that sometimes you
Speaker 1: can find justification to try some stuff. Because you're impressionable.
Speaker 5: I think, certainly there's a lot of shit that I
Speaker 5: did because I heard a rapper talk about it at
Speaker 5: some point.
Speaker 1: To a certain age. Most of the things I thought
Speaker 1: were cool, I was that's where it was.
Speaker 5: I was getting it from the source of hip hop
Speaker 5: artists or you know, in various ways.
Speaker 2: But I also think, and it depends on the hip
Speaker 2: hop artists, all right, common head, you trying to wear
Speaker 2: knit hats, And.
Speaker 5: I also think I think some of themselves listening to
Speaker 5: and I fully was like I wasn't engaging with Eminem behavior.
Speaker 1: No, not at all, you know.
Speaker 5: What I mean, Like I had no intent on putting
Speaker 5: a woman in a trunk.
Speaker 1: That wasn't like moving through life. I never thought Eminem
Speaker 1: was cool.
Speaker 5: Yeah, listening to the music, it was not like I
Speaker 5: thought the music was good.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's these cartoons. I never listened to
Speaker 1: it player Eminem album. I could never listen to an
Speaker 1: Eminem album. I was never like, you know what I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna pop in the real slim shady CD.
Speaker 1: Like that was never. I always I always give him props.
Speaker 1: I was like, clearly, this man is super talented. He's
Speaker 1: an amazing rapper, but a little bit like rage against
Speaker 1: the machine. At the time, he was somebody I respected
Speaker 1: over there. I wasn't gonna I wasn't gonna pop in
Speaker 1: the CD and listen to it from start. I also
Speaker 1: never liked wrap. I never cared.
Speaker 2: I don't care about the physical skill of it like
Speaker 2: our people like he wraps some triple kids and ship.
Speaker 1: Never that's not like that. I would respect that because
Speaker 1: of the roost was like that, like he would do.
Speaker 1: He would pull off some ship early jay Z would
Speaker 1: pull off like a not a pun but like an allegory. Exactly.
Speaker 1: They won't get the picture till the wet pins drawn,
Speaker 1: you know, like you still love ship like that. So
Speaker 1: every now and then, I.
Speaker 5: Was sitting in the back of my dad's Honda Civic
Speaker 5: listening to Marshall Math's LP and feeling big feelings. I
Speaker 5: ain't gonna pretend like I wasn't a big man. That said,
Speaker 5: I think ultimately it does presume sort of. It not
Speaker 5: only is reductive to the quality of the art form
Speaker 5: that got introduced, it also is shortsighted in how much
Speaker 5: these these things that we're adopting as kids, we're picking
Speaker 5: up for sure? Are permanent or just a thing I
Speaker 5: tried once and then never did again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean, Like it was just
Speaker 1: a phase you went through at fifteen.
Speaker 5: I'm just figuring myself out. And I would have done
Speaker 5: that no matter what the music was telling me to do.
Speaker 5: I just I just happened to see a dude tell
Speaker 5: me faster, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's funny.
Speaker 5: We're gonna take one more break and then we're gonna
Speaker 5: we're gonna unpack one more thing and then get up
Speaker 5: out of here. All right, mordiallo, riddle nor my mama told.
Speaker 1: Me pencil or a pen We're back. We're back.
Speaker 5: Write it down, Yeah, you go all, write it down,
Speaker 5: write it down. We got good stuff, Dillo. Before we
Speaker 5: went to break, or while we were arm break, you
Speaker 5: mentioned that you have one other conspiracy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, it concerns uh, you know a young man
Speaker 1: who's on your walls here, Michael Jordan. And uh, this
Speaker 1: is not shade. This is actually in some extra respect
Speaker 1: for those of us who occasionally will have something to drink.
Speaker 1: It is the idea that you know the famous flu game, Yeah,
Speaker 1: famous flu game. Yeah. Our theory is that that man
Speaker 1: did not have the flu. He was hungover. I've heard that.
Speaker 1: I've heard that many times. Yeah, okay, yeah, because there
Speaker 1: are people who claim they saw him out the night before.
Speaker 5: That's that's been a big claim, is that he was drinking,
Speaker 5: that the series was sort of in his hands.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was filming, he was he was celebrating early.
Speaker 5: He was celebrating a little early and and got sick
Speaker 5: from all that wine and autumn cards and cigars, smoke
Speaker 5: and whatnot.
Speaker 1: And sneaking out of the hotel room when Oakley was
Speaker 1: at the front door.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think when you Michael Jordan, you ain't even
Speaker 5: really got to sneak that he walks out the fronts.
Speaker 1: You ever heard that story, which one the one that
Speaker 1: he was sleeping with Oakley's old lady and us Oakley,
Speaker 1: so like he goes out over the balcony and scales
Speaker 1: down holy ship. Yeah, I heard that. The idea I
Speaker 1: heard that from a very famous rapper who I feel
Speaker 1: like would not lie about someone.
Speaker 5: But the idea that Michael Jordan would be uh somehow
Speaker 5: murdered by Charles Oakley and and that whole ship.
Speaker 1: It's the only person on the team who could have
Speaker 1: done it. He would have killed him. Yeah, only would
Speaker 1: have killed him. He would have killed him.
Speaker 5: He would have killed that man.
Speaker 1: It's the only person who he's like, that's fine, I
Speaker 1: got what I needed.
Speaker 2: I will say to the flu game of it all.
Speaker 2: I hear that, right, I hear the idea that he
Speaker 2: was out drinking. Michael Jordan was a dog in the
Speaker 2: way that. I don't think a hangover pizza him like that.
Speaker 2: I mean the amount, the amount that he would have
Speaker 2: to consume to have him not able to play it all,
Speaker 2: and it was still the night before a game. He
Speaker 2: still knew what was going on. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: It's just it feels like too much to me.
Speaker 5: For like, well, the the argument that he makes, or
Speaker 5: that has been made about for on Michael Jordan's behalf
Speaker 5: is the pizza, right, is that they they order a
Speaker 5: pizza at like some odd hour. Michael Jordan asked to
Speaker 5: order a pizza, and the pizza in theory is I've
Speaker 5: heard that all food poison, which is how he gets sick. Now,
Speaker 5: pizza late at night feels like a drunk ass move. Yeah,
Speaker 5: pizza at midnight. You got the midnight ass staff and
Speaker 5: don't finish cooking the way they're supposed to. They're putting
Speaker 5: Pepperoni's on after fuck we forgot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the doe hasn't hasn't fermented.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it's just a little wet, and Michael don't
Speaker 5: notice because his mouth is numb.
Speaker 2: He's all he tastes tequila and Charles's wife.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just like the idea of somebody walking out
Speaker 1: of the hotel and you see half half naked Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan's sailing down. Is that a you know, they called
Speaker 1: them cool names back then. Take the black Cat? Was that?
Speaker 1: I know that was the shoe.
Speaker 5: Were a lot of people saying that, calling him the
Speaker 5: black cat. Yeah, that was the nickname he tried to
Speaker 5: like get going.
Speaker 2: That's what that's always felt like, because you know he's
Speaker 2: bad at naming stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm the black Cat.
Speaker 5: There are little moments Michael Jordan's career where you get
Speaker 5: to see that that's just a crazy person. This isn't
Speaker 5: This isn't like this elevated brain, you know.
Speaker 1: What I mean. It was like a tall guy from
Speaker 1: North Carolina.
Speaker 5: He just happened to be so good at basketball and
Speaker 5: everything else.
Speaker 1: Is the psycho bath? Well, you're sure, and I imagine
Speaker 1: that once we found out there was you know, once
Speaker 1: I found out there was a Michael Jordan's steakhouse, and
Speaker 1: I was like, man, he looks like a guy who
Speaker 1: enjoys a good steak me and be sure. Don't know
Speaker 1: this this is based on no fact, but we imagine
Speaker 1: at some point a guy, you know, is talking to
Speaker 1: Michael and he's cutting into his fancy steak and he's like, Michael,
Speaker 1: you know kids, why kids are killing themselves over your sneakers.
Speaker 1: You got to lower the price. He's like, they're killing
Speaker 1: each other with my sniggers. They're that good.
Speaker 2: Then he just kept the price where it was. You
Speaker 2: know what's about the steakhouse too, is what was the playlist?
Speaker 2: Did he carry the playlist for the steakhouse? Because that sucks?
Speaker 2: That would be the worst steakhouse ever.
Speaker 5: I'll get is.
Speaker 1: That you would. Then we changed the world, all of
Speaker 1: our points of view because I studied it, we were inside.
Speaker 5: It was the best documentary ever made.
Speaker 2: I went drink for drink with him this.
Speaker 5: I think we solved it. I think we we did
Speaker 5: everything we were supposed to do together.
Speaker 1: I think we know that there was a vast conspiracy
Speaker 1: to put you know, n w A politics at the top,
Speaker 1: and I think it's safe to say that you know,
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's party too hard.
Speaker 5: I think certainly there was an industry working to to
Speaker 5: promote a thing that already existed, and maybe some of
Speaker 5: those things should have been dealt with in a in
Speaker 5: an active way and not just reflecting at them, not
Speaker 5: us being angry at the music, but more angry at
Speaker 5: the systems at large. I think it's a fair way
Speaker 5: of maybe the stream about it.
Speaker 1: I think I think there was a big pushback on
Speaker 1: the idea. There was a there was a big pushback
Speaker 1: on this thing that they were all scared of being
Speaker 1: the next boogeyman, which was reverse racism. You see it,
Speaker 1: and you know the reaction to Public Enemy and X Clan.
Speaker 1: You see it when Bill Clinton shuts down Sister Soldier
Speaker 1: on that thing and then all of a sudden he
Speaker 1: rockets to the top of the Democratic Party. There's the
Speaker 1: cop killer controversy. I think everybody was scared of reverse racism. Hints.
Speaker 1: It does seem to make some sense, But I do
Speaker 1: also know that we as kids really like that eight
Speaker 1: Await base. It felt good. You want to it's cool, man,
Speaker 1: I was shy did that song without any instrumentation. We
Speaker 1: all wanted to be in a duop band.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you ever fall in love, I don't want
Speaker 2: to hear Public Enemy with my clothes on that.
Speaker 1: No makeout songs, not man, Come on, it's tough to.
Speaker 1: It's tough to.
Speaker 2: You got to be Professor Griff. You gotta meet kids
Speaker 2: where they're at. You gotta wear you gotta meet kids
Speaker 2: where they're at. The Public Enemy is for layers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's for is for multiple car cards. Yeah, for
Speaker 1: Timberland's in tall socks. Even though Rosie did look great
Speaker 1: dancing to Public Enemy, that's business in the beginning. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's not how I dressed. That's our business. I said.
Speaker 2: I dance to a lot of stuff with that. It
Speaker 2: was it was the had because you watched the super cut,
Speaker 2: it's all the same move.
Speaker 1: That was my first on screen kiss as an actor,
Speaker 1: Kiss you. You might as well quit an NBC ship
Speaker 1: get the fut of here in twenty eighteen because I didn't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't have any kiss twenty eighteen. I want to
Speaker 1: put that out. Yeah, me and Rosie shared a smooch
Speaker 1: on the NBC Rise man Man Diallo.
Speaker 5: Tell the people where they can find you, and it
Speaker 5: better be Rosie Perez Lips.
Speaker 1: You can find me at Rosie fan you can find
Speaker 1: me on the Graham at Diallo. It's just six letters
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Speaker 1: think for the record, we'd love to work with you
Speaker 1: guys on some of our future TV shows. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's very sweet. What you got.
Speaker 2: You can find me watching Rosie Perez supercuts. Sometimes I
Speaker 2: get a little down. Need to pick you up, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. Cool guy, Choke City seven on Instagram.
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