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Speaker 1: Kala bears are.

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Speaker 1: Ya can't tell me.

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Speaker 4: Everlasting omni presence is my present state of being seen,

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Speaker 4: mind stunts growth in adolescents, welcome little Mama's and gentiles

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Speaker 4: the light to another phenomenal episode of My Mama told

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Speaker 4: me crazy.

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Speaker 5: Maybe we dive deep pockets black conspiracy theories.

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Speaker 2: And we finally worked to prove whatever it is we're

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Speaker 1: You know what that's from? What? Uh? You ever like

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Speaker 1: Quincy Jones album Back on the Block? Yeah? Wow, part

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Speaker 1: on that? Yeah yeah yeah. I used to play that

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Speaker 1: when I was a little kid. It was like, I

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Speaker 1: don't think it really means anything, but I was a kid.

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Speaker 1: I used to listen to that ship over and over.

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Speaker 5: You know, I thought it was gonna be like Pharaoh

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Speaker 1: I just feel like.

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Speaker 5: There's a lot of the same rhyme with words bigger.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was clan. Yeah, everybody, everybody was on that,

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Speaker 1: what year did that album come out? Is that ninety

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Speaker 2: Maybe around there. Yeah, was a kind of rap that.

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Speaker 1: Is yeah you know what I mean? Yeah, King T No,

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking about King T am I making that up.

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Speaker 2: You know what's funny. I recently spent a little time

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Speaker 2: with Twist, and Twista was talking about King T.

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Speaker 1: That West Coast rapper out of Compton.

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Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, he was a Twist named King T is

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Speaker 5: one of his his big influences early. Really, I can

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Speaker 1: Uh you know what I've been thinking. N yeah. Man. Uh.

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Speaker 2: The fact that all these all AI influencers are starting

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Speaker 1: It's real nasty.

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Speaker 2: It's it's like it feels like the worst ship coming

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Speaker 2: It's gonna upset you.

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Speaker 1: It's like a timblance thing, right, but not.

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Speaker 2: A musician, Like it's just a So it's just like

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Speaker 2: It's really put there to do boxing into such lengths.

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Speaker 5: Oh right, that diamond and Silk wasn't originally like somebody

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Speaker 1: Comy it come together. No, not at all.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, diamonds on silk sounds exquisite. Yeah, that sounds nice.

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Speaker 5: And that's how we prefer. Frankly, it works better when

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Speaker 1: We couldn't be excited. We couldn't be excited. This sucks.

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Speaker 5: You know him as one of the creators of Southside,

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Speaker 5: My former boss uh we we my my nemesis on screen.

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Speaker 1: I love that. I do love that we have that legacy.

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Speaker 5: We will always be Yeah, and Adam Bethune.

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Speaker 2: He can ask you, guys, because you're in the room. Now,

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Speaker 2: what's that Bethune is such a specific last name? Does

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Speaker 1: We could talk about that.

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Speaker 5: And I only know his answer because Basher eventually broke

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I know the exact source

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Speaker 1: says in the NFL all credits, you know, none of

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Speaker 2: Of course, I believe everything I read after TV shows

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Speaker 5: He and more importantly most importantly, hosts a brilliant podcast

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Speaker 5: called One Song Give It Up for our guest, mister

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Speaker 5: Diallo Riddle City by Yeah.

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Speaker 1: City Boys, up for now, for now? Yea, Now, thanks

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Speaker 1: being here because I read those nasty messages and we

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Speaker 5: Let's go No, it's okay, let's okay, diolo. You came

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Speaker 5: to us with two conspiracies today. Yes, we're going to

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Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about it, because you know, I got

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Speaker 1: we don't know. I could be like, oh, that was

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00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 1: the you know, the Robert Downey Junior show or whatever

435
00:21:59,000 --> 00:21:59,920
Speaker 1: that is, like you know.

436
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 2: Robert Downey ju there was a guy more down U

437
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 2: that is, you know, like.

438
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:05,800
Speaker 1: He would probably tell you the source. But like, there

439
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 1: were a lot of people who were like, what Public

440
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 1: Enemy is doing is not cool. And listen, there's some

441
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:14,280
Speaker 1: lyrics there that are questionable. But what ended up happening was,

442
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 1: at least according to some, was this idea that hey,

443
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,439
Speaker 1: why don't we you know, you know, take this in

444
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,200
Speaker 1: a different direction because there was more gatekeeping back in

445
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 1: music industry in general back then, for quality control reasons

446
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,439
Speaker 1: and for messaging. You know, Like, it's just hard for

447
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 1: me to believe that they actually just sat down and

448
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 1: did it when I know that, you know, riding the

449
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,199
Speaker 1: band bus, you know games, I know what kids were

450
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 1: getting excited about, and we were getting excited you know,

451
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:42,920
Speaker 1: there was like a transition around ninety one ninety two

452
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,119
Speaker 1: where I don't think p would have fit into it

453
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 1: because they were still doing their political message music. Meanwhile,

454
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 1: me and my friends are hitting puberty and we wanted

455
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,480
Speaker 1: to hear Joonasy. We wanted to hear Mary J. Blige's

456
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,200
Speaker 1: first album, you know what I mean like here, So

457
00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,360
Speaker 1: there wasn't like a conscious decision on it. I don't

458
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,680
Speaker 1: I don't think on any of our behalf to start

459
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 1: listening to a more party salacious. Uh, let's look up

460
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,680
Speaker 1: a girl's type music. I think that's look up to

461
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 1: a girl to a public enemy.

462
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:11,159
Speaker 5: Try.

463
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 1: To chill.

464
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,359
Speaker 5: You got to turn that down, man, I'm trying to

465
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,359
Speaker 5: get some pussy over here.

466
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,640
Speaker 1: Literally tell public less chill, you know, like we need.

467
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 1: Is bumming me out.

468
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 5: I literally can't.

469
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 1: I can't vote yet. You wish you to break what

470
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 1: I can do? I can't do his finger. Yeah, I

471
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 1: could get some back. We're gonna take a break.

472
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:44,880
Speaker 5: We need to take a break, and when we come back,

473
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 5: we're going to do some research. I did some research

474
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 5: on this conspiracy that I want to throw away more

475
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 5: Diallo riddle more.

476
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 1: My mama told me.

477
00:23:54,240 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 3: Yea I look you good, I'll feel good and you

478
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 3: sing good and.

479
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:15,399
Speaker 1: Make love good. Oh we're back, We're back. I know

480
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:15,879
Speaker 1: that clip.

481
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, I love that that interviews I think ever recording

482
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:24,919
Speaker 5: man uh diallo. We're still talking about this conspiracy that

483
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:30,360
Speaker 5: there was somehow a conscious effort to change the music industry.

484
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:34,119
Speaker 5: And while there aren't a lot of official records on

485
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,680
Speaker 5: what this was, one of the conspiracy theories, or rather

486
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,919
Speaker 5: the root of the conspiracy theory, comes from a supposed meeting,

487
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 5: of a literal meeting that they had between a bunch

488
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:50,479
Speaker 5: of record executives out here in LA. In fact, this

489
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 5: originally comes from a supposed letter that got sent to

490
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 5: a site called hip hop is Read on April twenty fourth,

491
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 5: twenty twelve. Now, in the letter, there's this synonymous source

492
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 5: that claims to have been present at a nineteen ninety

493
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 5: one meeting where a number of music decision makers were

494
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 5: all there. It was comprised of twenty five to thirty

495
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 5: people equally powerful in the music industry, and they as

496
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 5: well as about five attendees who no one knew. Apparently

497
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 5: they were also like shadowy figures.

498
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 1: Didn't even couldn't even place, but were allowed to sign Yeah,

499
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: this is a dark restaurant, shadowy figures, it's just dargeting there.

500
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 5: They say that this meeting was basically exactly what has

501
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 5: always been theorized that these these recordar executives were buying

502
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:45,439
Speaker 5: into public or private prisons. That essentially they had gotten

503
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 5: some sweet deal on buying private prisons, and they needed

504
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,400
Speaker 5: to fill the private prisons, and the movement of ex

505
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 5: Clan of Public Enemy all these groups was not helping

506
00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 5: to serve the filling of these private prisons. Thus they

507
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 5: need gangster rap to become the sort of like replacing source.

508
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: Well, let me tell you why this does track. There's

509
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: a there's an artist in an album that I haven't

510
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:16,400
Speaker 1: mentioned at all. Iced Tea came out with cop Killer, Yeah,

511
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 1: which is which was a rock song rock rap hybrid

512
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: that I feel like very few rap people even listen to.

513
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 2: I hate it. It's not the greatest, it's not great music,

514
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,479
Speaker 2: but it caused such a stir when it came out, like,

515
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 2: you know, fuck, the police had caused some ruggers cop

516
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 2: killer just like it was on the nightly news like

517
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 2: all the time, and they started putting labels on music,

518
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 2: and that I think that that I'm pretty sure that

519
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,439
Speaker 2: like Warner Brothers had to like release its you know,

520
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,439
Speaker 2: contract on that album and stuff. It's a very in

521
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 2: terms of censorship, a very important record, and I do

522
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 2: believe that it probably came out in ninety or ninety one.

523
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,120
Speaker 2: I totally believe that in the light of cop Killer,

524
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,439
Speaker 2: in addition to all this x CLAM stuff, there's a

525
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 2: lot of you know, cross pollination with Public Enemy and

526
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 2: the Minister Lewis Ferricon at the time. I do believe

527
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 2: that they would probably say, you know what, fuck this,

528
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 2: you know, like we have to start, you know, monitoring

529
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 2: what we are releasing to the public.

530
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. At the same time, it's ironic that the chronic

531
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 1: you know, I think I think two things can be true.

532
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 1: I think that meeting could have absolutely taken place. But

533
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:31,719
Speaker 1: I also think that Dre is just an incredibly talented person.

534
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: I think that he had been working and listening with

535
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: the rap group Above the Law, which you know, if

536
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: you guys don't know, I'd go find the song Black Superman.

537
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: It's a great song they were experimenting with using that

538
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: high synth that everybody associates with Job. He's using the

539
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: same studio over here, on kuwanga that they're using. So

540
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: they're listening to each other, and the Chronic came out,

541
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: I want to say, right before Above the Law dropped

542
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,199
Speaker 1: their album, so he kind of came out first. And

543
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: so because I'll tell you, when the kind of came out,

544
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: you knew it was a game change. Yeah, you knew

545
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: that that album was. It's like get Richard Died Trying.

546
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: There's certain albums when they come out you're like, oh,

547
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,199
Speaker 1: it's gonna be hard for for hip hop to go

548
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 1: back to whatever it was after this album, and everybody's

549
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: got a dress like this. Oh yes, yeah exactly. He

550
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 1: came out and I said, I gotta get a bulletproof

551
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: best exactly exactly. I just think that it's like when

552
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: Graduation Beat whatever fifty album was coming out at that time,

553
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 1: you know, after the Chronic, just everything else sounded so

554
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 1: old and to a teenage or a young teenager, things

555
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 1: that are two years ago or like really old. Yeah,

556
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: that's right. I do think it's the sixth of my

557
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: life ago.

558
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 5: I do think that to your point there there is

559
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 5: sort of like this nasty presumption that the music wasn't

560
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 5: evolving and getting better, but it was just like lateral

561
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 5: shift to gangster Ship. Instead of it being like no,

562
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 5: they were for real pushing the art form. They just

563
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 5: also happened to be talking about a different type of violence.

564
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: And by the way, I you know, some of it

565
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: is just star power. Like when Snoop came into the studio,

566
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: he was in the studio while they were recording the

567
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: Chronic every single day, right, they said you couldn't kick

568
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: Snoop back because he was like, this is my one

569
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: chance to do anything in life. So he was like

570
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: nineteen right, he was like there are other rappers who

571
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: were supposed to be just his biggest Snoop on the Chronic,

572
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: but like he didn't leave the studio, you know what

573
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: I'm saying, So, like, you know, Warren g would even

574
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: be like, hey, you know, we thought, hey this is cool,

575
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: but let's go let's go out and do something. That

576
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: stud was like I'm here. He was like, I'm just

577
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: going to record my vocals over and over. I'm going

578
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: to make sure they sound perfect. And so by the

579
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: time the Chronic comes out, not only is Dre like

580
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: sort of peeking in terms of his production prowess, He's

581
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,479
Speaker 1: got this six foot something tall, skinny dude, who you

582
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: know is an absolute you know.

583
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 5: It's a beat like we've never heard before.

584
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: It kind of looks like a dopamin and has I'm

585
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: going to make a billion dollars and he and and

586
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: content wise, he's been more influenced by what was going

587
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: on with n w A than with Public Enemy all

588
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: these there are days, there are songs like the day

589
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: the Niggas took over. There are there are attempts to

590
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: talk about the riots in l A at that time,

591
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: But it's not a political album the same way this

592
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: is a street life album. And after that, like the

593
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: you know, the East Coast even changes to adapt, you know,

594
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: so all of a sudden, it's not the Day Last

595
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: Souls and the tribes who are doing their own type

596
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: of militant, you know, sort of pro black messaging. It

597
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: becomes like, what what is what is the what is

598
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: the East Coast version of this? It's mob deep, you

599
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, it's plus you know, we're going

600
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: to talk about the street life that's going on in

601
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: our hoods.

602
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, I I as as sort of a dorky ass

603
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 5: attempt at unpacking this. Did a Google search of does

604
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 5: rap music lead to violence, which I know is a very.

605
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: Cop You said it's all. That's all you said it.

606
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: I respond with, well, that's the thing.

607
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 5: So this in two thousand and six, the question about

608
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 5: a study about a study from two thousand and six

609
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 5: from the Prevention Research Center of the Pacific Institute for Research.

610
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 5: There's a lot of research and evaluation in Berkeley, California

611
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 5: which suggests young people who listen to rap and hip

612
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 5: hop are more likely to abuse alcohol and commit violent X. Now,

613
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 5: one of the key points that they harp on in

614
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 5: this study show that increased alcohol consumption related to alcohol's

615
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 5: promotion in the songs. Right that, like, the more you

616
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 5: hear about it promoted, the more you're likely to consume it.

617
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 5: When passive Kevasier comes out, KVASI cs bigger numbers. Right Now,

618
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 5: Here's where it gets a little short sighted for me

619
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 5: is that ultimately, at its best, I think they're saying

620
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:54,959
Speaker 5: that alcohol sales overall have gone up simply by doing that.

621
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 5: But it's not necessarily addressing the.

622
00:31:58,400 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: Black of it.

623
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 5: All right, that's just this is popular, therefore people are

624
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 5: doing it, But that's not talking about black people. That's

625
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 5: not necessarily talking about kids specifically, and then in two

626
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 5: thousand and two, there was a study that found that

627
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 5: black kids statistically actually drink less alcohol despite being exposed

628
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 5: to sixty six percent more ads for beer and ale

629
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 5: sales and eighty one percent more ads for spirits. That like,

630
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 5: we are constantly being barbared with this shit and are

631
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 5: not drinking at the same time.

632
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: I just say, when I when I first got to college,

633
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: every every white kid there had a fake ID, every

634
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: single one, and most of the black kids did not

635
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: drink at all. No, So I one hundred percent believe that.

636
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: And look, let's let's let's let's get real. All of

637
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: the street crimes that you know Snoop was trying to

638
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: be sound like a pimp from the seventies, Well, there

639
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: was no gangster rap in the seventies. I reject this

640
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: idea that all of a sudden, because of gangster rap

641
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: that things got more violent. I think that there were

642
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: things that were already there. They would have been there

643
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: if we've been listening to the whole to the Ohio players,

644
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: I think I don't know, yeah, one hundred percent, I

645
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: think that the ball was already in motion.

646
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 5: I don't I think to your to your earlier earliest point.

647
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: This is, uh, this is a reflection of the community

648
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: at large, regardless of what they decide ends up on

649
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: the radio. Do you know what I mean?

650
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 5: Our our neighborhoods, legit are looking and experiencing these things.

651
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 5: It's not it's not like, oh suddenly we just started

652
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 5: making up yeah because we saw or because the music

653
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 5: execs were like, hey, you got to be violent now,

654
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 5: yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, No, we'll stab each other and

655
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 5: kill each other.

656
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: We're fucking crazy. But I do think listen. As much

657
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: as I don't believe hip hop is to blame, I

658
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: do think that sometimes you can pour you can pour

659
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: poison on a you know, on an already weakened plant, right,

660
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like and to a certain extent,

661
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: I would be lying if I said, you know, some

662
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: of those guys in my old in my middle school

663
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: and high school who were listening to who Man did

664
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: start selling drugs? You know what I'm saying. Sure, they

665
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: weren't listening to the hip hop group, so we were listening.

666
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: So it is. I don't know. I don't know if

667
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: it's a causal, but I do know that sometimes you

668
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: can find justification to try some stuff. Because you're impressionable.

669
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 5: I think, certainly there's a lot of shit that I

670
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 5: did because I heard a rapper talk about it at

671
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 5: some point.

672
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: To a certain age. Most of the things I thought

673
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: were cool, I was that's where it was.

674
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,879
Speaker 5: I was getting it from the source of hip hop

675
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 5: artists or you know, in various ways.

676
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 2: But I also think, and it depends on the hip

677
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 2: hop artists, all right, common head, you trying to wear

678
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 2: knit hats, And.

679
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 5: I also think I think some of themselves listening to

680
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 5: and I fully was like I wasn't engaging with Eminem behavior.

681
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: No, not at all, you know.

682
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 5: What I mean, Like I had no intent on putting

683
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 5: a woman in a trunk.

684
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: That wasn't like moving through life. I never thought Eminem

685
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: was cool.

686
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, listening to the music, it was not like I

687
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 5: thought the music was good.

688
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: I don't think it's these cartoons. I never listened to

689
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: it player Eminem album. I could never listen to an

690
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: Eminem album. I was never like, you know what I'm

691
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna pop in the real slim shady CD.

692
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: Like that was never. I always I always give him props.

693
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 1: I was like, clearly, this man is super talented. He's

694
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 1: an amazing rapper, but a little bit like rage against

695
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: the machine. At the time, he was somebody I respected

696
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: over there. I wasn't gonna I wasn't gonna pop in

697
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: the CD and listen to it from start. I also

698
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: never liked wrap. I never cared.

699
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 2: I don't care about the physical skill of it like

700
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 2: our people like he wraps some triple kids and ship.

701
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,720
Speaker 1: Never that's not like that. I would respect that because

702
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: of the roost was like that, like he would do.

703
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: He would pull off some ship early jay Z would

704
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: pull off like a not a pun but like an allegory. Exactly.

705
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: They won't get the picture till the wet pins drawn,

706
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 1: you know, like you still love ship like that. So

707
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 1: every now and then, I.

708
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 5: Was sitting in the back of my dad's Honda Civic

709
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 5: listening to Marshall Math's LP and feeling big feelings. I

710
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 5: ain't gonna pretend like I wasn't a big man. That said,

711
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 5: I think ultimately it does presume sort of. It not

712
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 5: only is reductive to the quality of the art form

713
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 5: that got introduced, it also is shortsighted in how much

714
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 5: these these things that we're adopting as kids, we're picking

715
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,879
Speaker 5: up for sure? Are permanent or just a thing I

716
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,280
Speaker 5: tried once and then never did again.

717
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean, Like it was just

718
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: a phase you went through at fifteen.

719
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 5: I'm just figuring myself out. And I would have done

720
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 5: that no matter what the music was telling me to do.

721
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 5: I just I just happened to see a dude tell

722
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 5: me faster, you know what I mean.

723
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's funny.

724
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 5: We're gonna take one more break and then we're gonna

725
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 5: we're gonna unpack one more thing and then get up

726
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 5: out of here. All right, mordiallo, riddle nor my mama told.

727
00:36:47,360 --> 00:37:07,399
Speaker 1: Me pencil or a pen We're back. We're back.

728
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 5: Write it down, Yeah, you go all, write it down,

729
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 5: write it down. We got good stuff, Dillo. Before we

730
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 5: went to break, or while we were arm break, you

731
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,879
Speaker 5: mentioned that you have one other conspiracy.

732
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, it concerns uh, you know a young man

733
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: who's on your walls here, Michael Jordan. And uh, this

734
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: is not shade. This is actually in some extra respect

735
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: for those of us who occasionally will have something to drink.

736
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 1: It is the idea that you know the famous flu game, Yeah,

737
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: famous flu game. Yeah. Our theory is that that man

738
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: did not have the flu. He was hungover. I've heard that.

739
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: I've heard that many times. Yeah, okay, yeah, because there

740
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,240
Speaker 1: are people who claim they saw him out the night before.

741
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 5: That's that's been a big claim, is that he was drinking,

742
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 5: that the series was sort of in his hands.

743
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was filming, he was he was celebrating early.

744
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 5: He was celebrating a little early and and got sick

745
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 5: from all that wine and autumn cards and cigars, smoke

746
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 5: and whatnot.

747
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 1: And sneaking out of the hotel room when Oakley was

748
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: at the front door.

749
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think when you Michael Jordan, you ain't even

750
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 5: really got to sneak that he walks out the fronts.

751
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: You ever heard that story, which one the one that

752
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: he was sleeping with Oakley's old lady and us Oakley,

753
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: so like he goes out over the balcony and scales

754
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: down holy ship. Yeah, I heard that. The idea I

755
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:36,959
Speaker 1: heard that from a very famous rapper who I feel

756
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: like would not lie about someone.

757
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 5: But the idea that Michael Jordan would be uh somehow

758
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 5: murdered by Charles Oakley and and that whole ship.

759
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 1: It's the only person on the team who could have

760
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: done it. He would have killed him. Yeah, only would

761
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: have killed him. He would have killed him.

762
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 5: He would have killed that man.

763
00:38:53,480 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: It's the only person who he's like, that's fine, I

764
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: got what I needed.

765
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 2: I will say to the flu game of it all.

766
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 2: I hear that, right, I hear the idea that he

767
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 2: was out drinking. Michael Jordan was a dog in the

768
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 2: way that. I don't think a hangover pizza him like that.

769
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 2: I mean the amount, the amount that he would have

770
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 2: to consume to have him not able to play it all,

771
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 2: and it was still the night before a game. He

772
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 2: still knew what was going on. You know what I'm saying.

773
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 2: It's just it feels like too much to me.

774
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 5: For like, well, the the argument that he makes, or

775
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 5: that has been made about for on Michael Jordan's behalf

776
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 5: is the pizza, right, is that they they order a

777
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 5: pizza at like some odd hour. Michael Jordan asked to

778
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 5: order a pizza, and the pizza in theory is I've

779
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 5: heard that all food poison, which is how he gets sick. Now,

780
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 5: pizza late at night feels like a drunk ass move. Yeah,

781
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 5: pizza at midnight. You got the midnight ass staff and

782
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,919
Speaker 5: don't finish cooking the way they're supposed to. They're putting

783
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 5: Pepperoni's on after fuck we forgot.

784
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, the doe hasn't hasn't fermented.

785
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it's just a little wet, and Michael don't

786
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 5: notice because his mouth is numb.

787
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,959
Speaker 2: He's all he tastes tequila and Charles's wife.

788
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just like the idea of somebody walking out

789
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 1: of the hotel and you see half half naked Michael

790
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: Jordan's sailing down. Is that a you know, they called

791
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: them cool names back then. Take the black Cat? Was that?

792
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 1: I know that was the shoe.

793
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 5: Were a lot of people saying that, calling him the

794
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 5: black cat. Yeah, that was the nickname he tried to

795
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 5: like get going.

796
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 2: That's what that's always felt like, because you know he's

797
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 2: bad at naming stuff.

798
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm the black Cat.

799
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 5: There are little moments Michael Jordan's career where you get

800
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 5: to see that that's just a crazy person. This isn't

801
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 5: This isn't like this elevated brain, you know.

802
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 1: What I mean. It was like a tall guy from

803
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: North Carolina.

804
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 5: He just happened to be so good at basketball and

805
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:12,919
Speaker 5: everything else.

806
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: Is the psycho bath? Well, you're sure, and I imagine

807
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 1: that once we found out there was you know, once

808
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 1: I found out there was a Michael Jordan's steakhouse, and

809
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 1: I was like, man, he looks like a guy who

810
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: enjoys a good steak me and be sure. Don't know

811
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,720
Speaker 1: this this is based on no fact, but we imagine

812
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: at some point a guy, you know, is talking to

813
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: Michael and he's cutting into his fancy steak and he's like, Michael,

814
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: you know kids, why kids are killing themselves over your sneakers.

815
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: You got to lower the price. He's like, they're killing

816
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: each other with my sniggers. They're that good.

817
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 2: Then he just kept the price where it was. You

818
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 2: know what's about the steakhouse too, is what was the playlist?

819
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,280
Speaker 2: Did he carry the playlist for the steakhouse? Because that sucks?

820
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 2: That would be the worst steakhouse ever.

821
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 5: I'll get is.

822
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: That you would. Then we changed the world, all of

823
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: our points of view because I studied it, we were inside.

824
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 5: It was the best documentary ever made.

825
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 2: I went drink for drink with him this.

826
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 5: I think we solved it. I think we we did

827
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 5: everything we were supposed to do together.

828
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: I think we know that there was a vast conspiracy

829
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 1: to put you know, n w A politics at the top,

830
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: and I think it's safe to say that you know,

831
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's party too hard.

832
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 5: I think certainly there was an industry working to to

833
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 5: promote a thing that already existed, and maybe some of

834
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 5: those things should have been dealt with in a in

835
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 5: an active way and not just reflecting at them, not

836
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,399
Speaker 5: us being angry at the music, but more angry at

837
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 5: the systems at large. I think it's a fair way

838
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 5: of maybe the stream about it.

839
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: I think I think there was a big pushback on

840
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 1: the idea. There was a there was a big pushback

841
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,479
Speaker 1: on this thing that they were all scared of being

842
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 1: the next boogeyman, which was reverse racism. You see it,

843
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: and you know the reaction to Public Enemy and X Clan.

844
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: You see it when Bill Clinton shuts down Sister Soldier

845
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: on that thing and then all of a sudden he

846
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: rockets to the top of the Democratic Party. There's the

847
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:32,280
Speaker 1: cop killer controversy. I think everybody was scared of reverse racism. Hints.

848
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: It does seem to make some sense, But I do

849
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 1: also know that we as kids really like that eight

850
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 1: Await base. It felt good. You want to it's cool, man,

851
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: I was shy did that song without any instrumentation. We

852
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:47,439
Speaker 1: all wanted to be in a duop band.

853
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you ever fall in love, I don't want

854
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 2: to hear Public Enemy with my clothes on that.

855
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: No makeout songs, not man, Come on, it's tough to.

856
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: It's tough to.

857
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 2: You got to be Professor Griff. You gotta meet kids

858
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 2: where they're at. You gotta wear you gotta meet kids

859
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,240
Speaker 2: where they're at. The Public Enemy is for layers.

860
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's for is for multiple car cards. Yeah, for

861
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 1: Timberland's in tall socks. Even though Rosie did look great

862
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: dancing to Public Enemy, that's business in the beginning. Yeah,

863
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: that's not how I dressed. That's our business. I said.

864
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 2: I dance to a lot of stuff with that. It

865
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,439
Speaker 2: was it was the had because you watched the super cut,

866
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 2: it's all the same move.

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Speaker 1: That was my first on screen kiss as an actor,

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Speaker 1: Kiss you. You might as well quit an NBC ship

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Speaker 1: get the fut of here in twenty eighteen because I didn't. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I didn't have any kiss twenty eighteen. I want to

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Speaker 1: put that out. Yeah, me and Rosie shared a smooch

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Speaker 1: on the NBC Rise man Man Diallo.

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Speaker 5: Tell the people where they can find you, and it

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Speaker 5: better be Rosie Perez Lips.

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Speaker 1: You can find me at Rosie fan you can find

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Speaker 1: me on the Graham at Diallo. It's just six letters

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Speaker 1: D I A L l O. If you find me there,

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Speaker 1: you'll you'll you'll be in touch with me. Follow I'll

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Speaker 1: find out everything about one song or anything else that

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Speaker 1: that we're going. And by the way, can I just

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Speaker 1: think for the record, we'd love to work with you

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Speaker 1: guys on some of our future TV shows. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's very sweet. What you got.

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Speaker 2: You can find me watching Rosie Perez supercuts. Sometimes I

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Speaker 2: get a little down. Need to pick you up, you

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