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Speaker 1: hosts Isaiah Stanback, heck My Harrison, Rob Phillips and Kyle
Speaker 1: Yeoman's you know, I think Finn Lizzie said it best
Speaker 1: back in nineteen seventy six, that the boys are back
Speaker 1: in town. That would be us, that would be talking Cowboys,
Speaker 1: that would be us live from the Star in Frisco,
Speaker 1: as we are reunited, and it's also good boys family.
Speaker 1: Did you still let a trope from Mickey? Did? I
Speaker 1: got goes with the old school references, so no, thateen
Speaker 1: seventy six. Maybe I had to google that as the
Speaker 1: show intro was coming out because I thought, oh, the
Speaker 1: boys are back in town. I don't know what year
Speaker 1: this was released, so I wanted to look it up.
Speaker 1: I even didn't even know Finn Lizzie saying that I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna lie didn't either. I had no idea the
Speaker 1: name of whatever the artist was that that put that
Speaker 1: out there. But my Harrison, Isaiah stand back, Rob Phillips,
Speaker 1: and Kyle Yeoman's back here with talking cowboys and boys.
Speaker 1: It is good to be back here. I missed you, guys.
Speaker 1: I missed you guys. Y'all left, y'all, Yeah, y'all left me. Now,
Speaker 1: wait a second, I was worried about you jumping ship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what are you worried about me? What are you talking about?
Speaker 1: You worried about me? You don't start that, I was,
Speaker 1: don't you start the only a little bit too good?
Speaker 1: A little bit too good? Wow? Yeah, so the brother too.
Speaker 1: The only reason I say that is because on the
Speaker 1: break yesterday they were having like show versus show talk
Speaker 1: about which show is better. And you've spent some time
Speaker 1: with hanging lady, and I thought I didn't know where
Speaker 1: you're legions necessarily lie. Maybe they're threatening because he did
Speaker 1: such an awesome job. Maybe they're threatened now that you
Speaker 1: know he's coming back. And our team has been working
Speaker 1: hard during his awesome We've been working really hard during
Speaker 1: I would expect that from Kyle. But this is a
Speaker 1: sneak blow. Are you hurt? Pa? Really? This is a
Speaker 1: side is you're here though? Yeah? So we're good. Let's go,
Speaker 1: So I miss you guys. All of us have really
Speaker 1: kind of had new roles introduced to us over the
Speaker 1: last three and a half four weeks now, I mean, heck,
Speaker 1: my hats a host hanging with the boys, which, by
Speaker 1: the way, fantastic job. That's always great job. Isaiah over
Speaker 1: here was the color commentator a three man booth for
Speaker 1: the air Cardinals preseason. Ye, fantastic job. As always. Rob
Speaker 1: as a new father, of course we knew that. And
Speaker 1: he's having to go through anything else new for you.
Speaker 1: That's about it. But yeah, that's time. There's that long
Speaker 1: since we hung out. Who questions are I'm trying to
Speaker 1: find something new for Rob? Oh, well you're you're putting
Speaker 1: together a documentary, so that's a big time thing. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: airing Saturday. Oh yeah, Darren Woodson. Darren Woodson called a
Speaker 1: Path to safety his life and career. So we're excited
Speaker 1: about that. It be really where it'll be on all
Speaker 1: of our social channels and airing locally, I guess on
Speaker 1: on CBS before the preseason game. It leads into countdown
Speaker 1: to kickoff for the preseason game against the Texans, and
Speaker 1: we did it last week with the Drew Pearson documentary,
Speaker 1: Drew Pearson's life documentary and kind of his story along
Speaker 1: the way to his Hall of Fame career. Really really
Speaker 1: good job from the Deep Blue staff all the way over.
Speaker 1: And we're excited for Rob's as well. For fans that
Speaker 1: are very passionate to think wood he should be in
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, I think they'll enjoy this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it outlines why why he needs to be there for sure,
Speaker 1: and certainly I think he should be in that conversation.
Speaker 1: So once again, the Darren Woodson documentary, you said, A
Speaker 1: path to Safety. Yes, I love that. I love that name.
Speaker 1: That's coming up Saturday, so we should to look out
Speaker 1: for that. I did some sideline reporting that was fun.
Speaker 1: You've been all over the place. Though, you've been all
Speaker 1: over the place. You've been the sideline reporter. You're doing
Speaker 1: the camp preview, precamp, post camp. I mean, cool, man,
Speaker 1: what can't you do? Battleground even tell us he's right
Speaker 1: Battleground arts on Dallas Cowboys doctor. I mean, come on,
Speaker 1: he's a busy man, I am, And it's been a
Speaker 1: ton of fun. And I have I've missed you guys.
Speaker 1: I've missed the show. I've missed being in studio and
Speaker 1: so having every everybody back is exciting, especially since we
Speaker 1: were able to keep Peckmun and extend him to a
Speaker 1: long term contract deal. We had some some competition from
Speaker 1: hanging with the boys and we had So let's go ahead.
Speaker 1: Since we haven't had this conversation as a group, I
Speaker 1: want to get everybody's general thoughts about what happened in
Speaker 1: Oxnard and kind of the growth of this team over
Speaker 1: the last three and a half weeks. Hech, I'll start
Speaker 1: with you to kind of to get things started. But
Speaker 1: what have you seen growth wise the most over the
Speaker 1: last couple of weeks and throughout training camps so far.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's plenty to go to talk about the
Speaker 1: defense obviously from last year, and just dan Quinn's effect,
Speaker 1: the way that these guys are pursuing the ball, the
Speaker 1: way that they're using these multiple looks. I think dan
Speaker 1: Quinn's affect on this defense. And I've heard Nate Newton
Speaker 1: say maybe it'll take about six games, but for me,
Speaker 1: you know, some of the things that I'm seeing are
Speaker 1: immediately the immediate impacts. I think the competition level, which
Speaker 1: we talked about the culture changing thing coming through competition,
Speaker 1: and I've loved to see a lot of the competition.
Speaker 1: Now it's all about these last couple of preseason games,
Speaker 1: just to see them put this chemistry together, to see,
Speaker 1: you know, what we're gonna have in our team in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. But for the most part, I think
Speaker 1: it's just been about the competition culture that I see
Speaker 1: happening through Oxnard and continuing here in Frisco. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think obviously taking a look at the defense, you know,
Speaker 1: trying to figure out who our guys are going to be.
Speaker 1: I think we had probably half of our defensive starters established.
Speaker 1: Aside from that, it's pretty competitive, you know, to your point,
Speaker 1: I think it's an open, open competition. So I think
Speaker 1: trying to see how that's going to kind of, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, the dust is going to settle on that
Speaker 1: in terms of the secondary, in terms of what you're
Speaker 1: rotation gonna be a linebacker. I think in terms of
Speaker 1: the defensive line, obviously we just suffered a blow with Gallimore,
Speaker 1: but trying to understand what that's going to look like.
Speaker 1: So I think a lot of our understanding of that
Speaker 1: we have we have guys that can play, but how
Speaker 1: do we involve them into the scheme, right, how did
Speaker 1: they from and how does that change from week to
Speaker 1: week based upon our opponent and what they're presenting. And
Speaker 1: then on the offensive side of the ball, it's all
Speaker 1: been it's been all about getting healthy. I think, you know,
Speaker 1: seeing if our offensive alignment or healthy, can they can
Speaker 1: they take rushes? Can they you know, can they put
Speaker 1: that back foot in the ground and take a bull
Speaker 1: rush on? You know, going against the rams and practice?
Speaker 1: How how did that go? We saw some guys had
Speaker 1: a little fight in them. Um at the receiver position.
Speaker 1: We're getting you know, guys are stepping up seedee lamb
Speaker 1: stepping up. The competition for the sixth position is really
Speaker 1: kind of picking up right now, especially with the injury
Speaker 1: of the Malik Turner um and ending and then of
Speaker 1: course all the drama you know, revolving around Dak and
Speaker 1: do we have a second quarterback? Do we have is
Speaker 1: that guy on the roster? So a lot of question
Speaker 1: marks in terms of the offense right now, but I
Speaker 1: think in terms of the defense, just who is it
Speaker 1: going to be? Yeah, I go along with what Isaiah
Speaker 1: just finished with. There's still some position battles that I'm
Speaker 1: not sure about, you know, backup quarterback. I think Garrett
Speaker 1: Gilbert has been by far the best backup quarterback in
Speaker 1: this camp. But you know, budget pending, you know, would
Speaker 1: they be still open to creating competition there based on
Speaker 1: what they've seen with him. It's been good for him
Speaker 1: to get some extra reps and kind of see where
Speaker 1: he is running this offense. If you know, they come
Speaker 1: into a situation without Dak during the season. Backup swing tackle,
Speaker 1: what's the situation there? Backup center, what's the situation there?
Speaker 1: And now this defensive line at defensive tackle, no Neville Gallimore,
Speaker 1: who steps in? They got good numbers, as Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: said yesterday, at that position. They don't have a ton
Speaker 1: of experience at that position. So those are still questions
Speaker 1: I've got going into this last stage of training camp.
Speaker 1: But there there have been a lot of good things.
Speaker 1: And you mentioned Ceedee Lamb. We had a discussion our
Speaker 1: last show, I think before we all broke before camp,
Speaker 1: and I said, Amari Cooper is the best receiver on
Speaker 1: this team. He's gonna have competition for that this year.
Speaker 1: Based on what we've seen out here in Oxnard. I'll
Speaker 1: still go with the MARII Cooper based on his entire
Speaker 1: body of work his career. But what we've seen from
Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb in these practices and they're not tackle practices,
Speaker 1: but he has been dominant. He looks like a first
Speaker 1: round draft pick in everybody's fantasy leagues this year. That's
Speaker 1: big time head. I didn't know this football. So Robert,
Speaker 1: are you taking Ceedee Lamb over Amari Cooper and in
Speaker 1: your fantasy I didn't say that, I got I got
Speaker 1: that in my head yesterday because Derek was like, where
Speaker 1: would you where would you just hypothetically draft him in draft?
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know, first round, not first overall necessarily,
Speaker 1: but hi, I mean, if he's going to do this
Speaker 1: all season, that all purpose yards, that fantasy impact. So
Speaker 1: outside of Ceedee Lamb, if you would have told me
Speaker 1: back on July nineteenth, to day before we left for
Speaker 1: Oxnard that the majority of my questions in the middle
Speaker 1: of August would be on the offensive side of the football,
Speaker 1: I might have laughed at you. Yeah, but there are
Speaker 1: a lot of questions on that offensive side, and luckily
Speaker 1: for that, the offense starters isn't necessarily the biggest question.
Speaker 1: It's all about the depth because starter wise, I think
Speaker 1: you're pretty much set. You could set the starters right
Speaker 1: now with your eyes closed, with nothing en in front
Speaker 1: of you. You've got your starters set down after that,
Speaker 1: which you're going to go after that. It almost looks
Speaker 1: like you're one deep in every position and there's not
Speaker 1: a whole lot underneath that. Is that scaring you as
Speaker 1: much as it scares me? Yeah, it should scare you.
Speaker 1: But the thing is is that training camp is all
Speaker 1: about evaluating talent in depth, and so they've had an
Speaker 1: opportunity to see where they are. And I think going
Speaker 1: into training camp you wanted to figure out how they
Speaker 1: were going to shore up the swing tackle position. You
Speaker 1: thought that there were going to be certain players or
Speaker 1: development from Still and Night and even the Secky signing,
Speaker 1: that we would kind of the learning curve would be
Speaker 1: there and you would kind of put that whole thing
Speaker 1: to bed. But I think when you see the players
Speaker 1: come back, like even with Leo Collins and him coming
Speaker 1: off of the labor surgery, even looking at Trip you
Speaker 1: know with Smith and seeing where he is again, I
Speaker 1: don't fault you for having those questions after seeing Still
Speaker 1: in Night play for two preseasons and even the sec
Speaker 1: even though he did a lot better in the second
Speaker 1: preseason game. I think those questions are going to loom
Speaker 1: and you're gonna have them all the way until Raymond
Speaker 1: James Stadium. Yeah, I'm concerned. I'm very concerned. Swing tackle
Speaker 1: is one. I think you just made a great point
Speaker 1: swing tackle. I'm extremely worried about. I am ultra worried
Speaker 1: about the center spot. What happens to if Tyler Biadas
Speaker 1: is not able to play all six? But you knew
Speaker 1: that going into the sea. You knew we get But
Speaker 1: that's the thing is we always looked at him. We
Speaker 1: had that spot circled. I think we talked about it
Speaker 1: on it. Yes, I think we were saying, okay, what's
Speaker 1: after Tyler Beotish because there wasn't a whole lot of
Speaker 1: was Matt Farniott who played guard for the majority of
Speaker 1: his time at Nebraska. What's going on backup quarterback is
Speaker 1: the same thing. I think Garrett Gilbert has done the
Speaker 1: most out of those three positions to ensure that, Hey,
Speaker 1: guess what, We're gonna be fine at that spot if
Speaker 1: worst comes to worst. But either way, you're not comfortable
Speaker 1: any of those three don't like our backup quarterback situation,
Speaker 1: even with Gilbert at all, I don't yes, no, no, Gilbert.
Speaker 1: Gilbert is not the answer. And that's no disrespect here.
Speaker 1: I know he's doing his best, and you know he's
Speaker 1: he's given and given us all. But for this offense,
Speaker 1: it is very apparent to see the discouragement on the
Speaker 1: faces and the body language of all the players that
Speaker 1: are on the field when he's out there, when he goes,
Speaker 1: when he even especially even last night, guys are running open.
Speaker 1: You have guys beat on a goal routes or post
Speaker 1: routes about one or two steps and it's underthrown, the
Speaker 1: ends up hitting the back of a defensive back. That
Speaker 1: is discouraging. As a receiver. You can see CD. You
Speaker 1: can see galloping those guys walking back, not running back,
Speaker 1: walking back to the huddle of saying next man, go ahead,
Speaker 1: get the next rep. That's because I really don't care
Speaker 1: to be in there right now with that guy. I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm just telling you how it is. And when
Speaker 1: when it's when you have those players that that keep
Speaker 1: you you, you recognize he's not Dak as a player
Speaker 1: on that team, you reckon, He's not Dad, He's not
Speaker 1: our guy, nor is he supposed to know exactly, but
Speaker 1: you expect him to come in and to deliver, right,
Speaker 1: It's one thing. Effort is one thing, right and executing
Speaker 1: is another. He's giving effort, he's trying his best, but
Speaker 1: sometimes your best just isn't enough to match up with
Speaker 1: the the the guys that you have around you. So
Speaker 1: if these guys are out running him, not good. If
Speaker 1: he's he's patting the ball because he doesn't feel curfortable
Speaker 1: in the pocket, is not good. If he can't step
Speaker 1: up into pocket and deliver a ball when guys are blitzing,
Speaker 1: it's not good. If he doesn't have the ability to
Speaker 1: get out the pocket and create plays when that happens,
Speaker 1: it's not good. So it's not good, not only because
Speaker 1: you can't run the same offense that you can run
Speaker 1: when Dak's in in the game, but these guys don't
Speaker 1: even have the faith in you that you can even
Speaker 1: move the ball down the field. And that's when it
Speaker 1: becomes an issue because you've seen it last year. Ceedee
Speaker 1: Lamb dropped a lot of balls last year, not because
Speaker 1: he wasn't able to catch the ball, but because he
Speaker 1: was like, I'm not gonna be able to do nothing
Speaker 1: with this ball afterwards. You know, it's literally a light switch.
Speaker 1: I'm discouraged, So I'm not putting forth that extra to
Speaker 1: go get this thing because we're probably gonna have him
Speaker 1: three and out really quickly. So I had noticed the
Speaker 1: same energy level drop off the first practice following Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott's shoulder injury. There was a noticeable drop off with
Speaker 1: the energy and ox Nard, how many practices have you
Speaker 1: watched in Frisco to see that exact thing or watched
Speaker 1: live in general to see that. I saw it in
Speaker 1: the game. I saw it in the game the other night.
Speaker 1: I saw it, and I saw it last night. I
Speaker 1: saw the practices and in California. So three for three, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you've been three you've been out for three days, and
Speaker 1: you've seen it all three days. That I mean, that's
Speaker 1: that's worrisome. That's and and it'd be one thing if
Speaker 1: it was just like a couple of plays, But there's
Speaker 1: it's consistent. It's very consistent. It's it's a sack. It's
Speaker 1: a it's a you know, I'm assuming it's a it's
Speaker 1: not picking up the call in terms of where you're
Speaker 1: sending your protection up front. I'm not in there to
Speaker 1: see that, but he's getting sacked. UM. Ball location is
Speaker 1: not on point. There's a couple of throws here and
Speaker 1: there that you say, oh, hey, good job, But when
Speaker 1: it's pretty consistent that if the ball is not being
Speaker 1: worried where it needs to be, that's interesting because I mean,
Speaker 1: former quarterback, I trust your opinion for sure, UM, and
Speaker 1: I do to your point. I think when he's been
Speaker 1: able to set his feet, he's had some nice touch
Speaker 1: on the ball, not only the throw he made the
Speaker 1: other night, but in practice he's done that too. I
Speaker 1: think he's shown some good poise in these preseason games
Speaker 1: when the pocket breaks down. But there have been a
Speaker 1: couple of throws first drive of preseason in Canton, and
Speaker 1: then I think the first drive the other night where
Speaker 1: easily could have been intercepted. So yeah, there's some decision
Speaker 1: making gotta you gotta look at. I still think he's
Speaker 1: probably gonna be the backup unless they find an option
Speaker 1: that that fits their salary situation, because it's not what
Speaker 1: it was last year. UM. But the reality of the
Speaker 1: situation is, I don't know what else is really going
Speaker 1: to be out there that's that's better than Garrett Gilbert
Speaker 1: for what they can afford, probably, And it's the reality
Speaker 1: of the job too. If you don't have Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: for a stretch of games at some point in this
Speaker 1: season for whatever reason, they're not counting on that because
Speaker 1: his shoulder is doing a lot better. Um, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a problem and it's gonna be a pill. I
Speaker 1: have a projection, what's that. I foresee there being a
Speaker 1: surprise cut or surprise trade to go get a number
Speaker 1: two quarterback. It's definitely something they'll talk about. I'd be
Speaker 1: shocked if they didn't, because at this point they have
Speaker 1: to because it's not even close at the other at
Speaker 1: the third and fourth guy, it's not even close. It's
Speaker 1: a separation. And even when you look at the town
Speaker 1: of level you're talking about Ceedee Lamb and guys, he's
Speaker 1: receiving core of these veteran guys, they they know when
Speaker 1: you don't have it. They've ran this route a hundred times.
Speaker 1: And if you hadn't gotten it there any of the times,
Speaker 1: they look, you just can't do it. And that's the
Speaker 1: discouragement that you're talking about. But that's where that's where
Speaker 1: even with the backup center position and with the backup quarterback.
Speaker 1: The powers that be, they know these guys talent level,
Speaker 1: what they can and can't do, and these are just
Speaker 1: things that have to be fixed. The backup center position
Speaker 1: is pari month. They have to do something about that
Speaker 1: right now, because you can't go into a season thinking
Speaker 1: that all of these things are interchangeable, like Martin is
Speaker 1: to right tackle, like you just can't Williams left guards
Speaker 1: to center. It's just it's just not that easy. It
Speaker 1: was a great idea on paper. It was a great idea,
Speaker 1: and I think this offensive staff has been spoiled with
Speaker 1: having a Joe Looney who can do that position. Flash
Speaker 1: can go from guard to backup center and kind of
Speaker 1: be that guy bad and forth. I think I got
Speaker 1: spoiled a little bit in that regard. They tried to
Speaker 1: do with Connor Williams, and they said, hey, you're good
Speaker 1: enough to get that done. You're a great or I
Speaker 1: wouldn't say great, you're a good left guard in the league.
Speaker 1: You could be a good center. Right. It's not that easy,
Speaker 1: it really is. Do you if he fixed his snapping woes,
Speaker 1: would you be okay? Yeah? Yeah, but that's the first
Speaker 1: order of absolutely so, do you guys. Do you guys
Speaker 1: believe that that can be fixed with just reps um
Speaker 1: maybe a thousand reps Yeah, I think it can. And
Speaker 1: I personally don't think the experiment's over with because I
Speaker 1: don't know what their other recourses unless they know McGovern
Speaker 1: played it in college, but they haven't been willing to
Speaker 1: put him at that position for whatever reason. I still
Speaker 1: think they're going to work at it with him. I
Speaker 1: just wonder why they didn't do it in yeah, in
Speaker 1: May and June to kind of accelerate this process. Maybe
Speaker 1: they thought they had Joe Looney in their back pocket
Speaker 1: and they weren't really worried about it until training camera.
Speaker 1: They giants, I'd say, you they what they did. What
Speaker 1: they did was low down. As soon as Kellen Moore
Speaker 1: and Oxnard said, yeah, we don't have Joe yet. J
Speaker 1: G hops on the phone. You don't have Joe at all,
Speaker 1: my friend, you're not gonna have Joe. Joe retired and
Speaker 1: they still have first rights to Joe. It becomes out
Speaker 1: of retirement. Yeah, So interesting thoughts at center. I think
Speaker 1: I agree with you, Rob, I don't think they're done yet.
Speaker 1: And it was what was it two snaps or three
Speaker 1: snaps during that Arizona game that we're iffy too and too.
Speaker 1: You could really say two in the first game too,
Speaker 1: So yeah, four snaps I think in live action, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's not good. It's you can't have
Speaker 1: that happen, and that that affects Garrett Gilbert. I do
Speaker 1: think to play devil's advocate. I think there are plenty
Speaker 1: of things on offense you can be happy about and
Speaker 1: optimistic about, even depth wise. I mean, I think your
Speaker 1: wide receiver depth is really good. Good point. I think
Speaker 1: you're tight end depth is good, although it's gonna take
Speaker 1: it's gonna take him a little while to come back,
Speaker 1: um from from the ankle injury, probably maybe into the
Speaker 1: regular season, so got three weeks to go there. Centers
Speaker 1: into the preseason you mean end of preseason? Yeah, sorry,
Speaker 1: end of preseason. So center, you could always kick Zach
Speaker 1: Martin at the tackle. I keep saying that that would
Speaker 1: be my recourse. But if they're just looking at the
Speaker 1: guys that are competing for that job right now, I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's up in the air who's gonna win
Speaker 1: that job as the swing guy and then yeah, backup quarterback.
Speaker 1: I like some of the things we saw from Garrett
Speaker 1: Gilbert and Oxnard. But it's not a It's not an
Speaker 1: any Dalton situation where you feel, hey, this guy started
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty games in the league, and I
Speaker 1: feel great about this. If Dad goes down, it's just
Speaker 1: how do you feel if we go into week one
Speaker 1: and this right shoulder situation hasn't progressed and it's still
Speaker 1: something that's limiting him on throws, and they say, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is going along a lot longer than we think,
Speaker 1: and Garrett Gilbert is gonna get the start like it's
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. Well, I don't feel great about it. Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't feel great about it. It was rhetorical. I
Speaker 1: just yeah, I just wanted to get your expression. Well,
Speaker 1: everyone listening that as a Cowboys fan just have their
Speaker 1: heart ripped out of their chest by heck hairs. No, no,
Speaker 1: don't put that on me. I was talking to Pete.
Speaker 1: I was saying, he said he looked good, and you
Speaker 1: know he did have some he has had days where
Speaker 1: they've moved the balls in offense. I think Kyle's point
Speaker 1: the first couple of days after Dak sat out, it
Speaker 1: was the defense was just flying around, shutting down the offense.
Speaker 1: It got better progressive. The problem they've had is the
Speaker 1: problem they've had with Dak or whoever. In the games,
Speaker 1: in these first two preseason games, they haven't finished drives.
Speaker 1: They can't finish drives, you know, field goals. That might
Speaker 1: be a conversation we have in the Then the third segment,
Speaker 1: I want to talk about Kellen Moore and kind of
Speaker 1: the offensive scheme and scoring early in red zones troubles.
Speaker 1: Is this something that's going to continue into twenty twenty one. However,
Speaker 1: when we come back here on the other side of
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Speaker 1: got Chris Beam in the back back and his rightful
Speaker 1: throne of running the show. He's got the sounder ready
Speaker 1: for some fans on the fis on the fifty. I
Speaker 1: love that isn't great and normally for those of you
Speaker 1: who may not have joined us. In terms of fans
Speaker 1: on the fifty during the regular season, last year, our
Speaker 1: show started at nine thirty, so the first segment was
Speaker 1: over at nine to fifty, so it was fans on
Speaker 1: the fifty. Right now, we're at eleven and we will
Speaker 1: be up until the start of the regular season, so
Speaker 1: we'll be fans on the twenty pretty much. So we're
Speaker 1: getting closer closer to the red zone, I think with
Speaker 1: the fans at the moment. So, but we can't call
Speaker 1: it Twitter on the twenty because that's what the Draft
Speaker 1: show uses. So it's a little bit different. So let's
Speaker 1: start things off with our guy, Jake. He always asked
Speaker 1: great questions. First off, he says he's excited the band
Speaker 1: is back together. Do you think we're gonna keep all
Speaker 1: eleven of the draft picks that the Cowboys made? Aside
Speaker 1: from Josh Ball and Farniac, it seems like every drafted
Speaker 1: rookie has been making plays. What do you guys think
Speaker 1: we'll start. We'll start with you, Rob That's a great question.
Speaker 1: I don't know if Farniac makes this team, but other
Speaker 1: than that, I think just about every guy should be
Speaker 1: on this roster. I mean, you go down the list
Speaker 1: and Israel mcquama is a guy that I don't know
Speaker 1: where he fits in as a rookie in the lineup,
Speaker 1: but you watch him play in these games and you're like,
Speaker 1: there's a lot to work with here. He makes a
Speaker 1: player too, and you're thinking that this is this is
Speaker 1: why they drafted him. So I think there's a great
Speaker 1: chance that ten out of eleven, you know, and Josh.
Speaker 1: I don't think Josh Ball's not going to make this team.
Speaker 1: He's just been hurt, just injured, and I think his
Speaker 1: chances of winning the backup swing tackle job aren't there.
Speaker 1: But but yeah, I'd say at least ten out of eleven.
Speaker 1: And Farniak is interesting because of the necessity maybe at center,
Speaker 1: if he's that other option outside of Connor Williams at
Speaker 1: center other than Tyler Battish, maybe he makes it because
Speaker 1: of that. Maybe that's the thing that that they throw
Speaker 1: into the mix. I think mcquambo's an interesting conversation as
Speaker 1: far as the top three four round guys. I think
Speaker 1: you're pretty safe at saying those guys are going to
Speaker 1: make the roster, and a lot of people in the
Speaker 1: past would say and you guys can can agree or
Speaker 1: disagree with this afterwards, but usually if you're a Day one,
Speaker 1: Day two, and an early Day three pick, you're gonna
Speaker 1: make the roster. But with eleven draft picks, it's busy.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of guys late in that
Speaker 1: draft class that probably aren't a high priority for roster
Speaker 1: acquisition and things of the sword. Is there anybody that
Speaker 1: sticks out to you in that regard? Heck, I don't
Speaker 1: want to take send me Fihoko away from you. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I know that you're on, but I mean I was
Speaker 1: staying with the old line trend. I think Farniaki is
Speaker 1: another guy that's battling to get on this roster, but
Speaker 1: the thing with the backup center may be his saving
Speaker 1: grace to get on. I'm with you on easy mcquomo.
Speaker 1: He's a guy that I loved and know Tas loved
Speaker 1: his footwork and everything that he's he's been doing. But
Speaker 1: in some games, I've just seen a few things with
Speaker 1: him catching and you pointed that out in your color
Speaker 1: commentating and the in the game that he's catching tackles
Speaker 1: and you can't do that from his from Dan dan
Speaker 1: Quinn's defense, But I do believe that he is guy
Speaker 1: that makes the team. But he may never suit out
Speaker 1: during the year. Yeah, that may just be his his reality.
Speaker 1: But you know, again for all the other guys, I
Speaker 1: just feel like Ball is going to make this team.
Speaker 1: Um and and like I'm with you, there's ten out
Speaker 1: of eleven may make it. Well, I forgot about Simmy
Speaker 1: that that's an interesting one. What do you think that's
Speaker 1: why I'm leaving it for him on the show? Do
Speaker 1: you think I'm allio that one? I know you guys
Speaker 1: are going ten for eleven. I'm going eight for eleven. Well,
Speaker 1: I just we have a lot of events tards team.
Speaker 1: We have a lot of events on this team. And
Speaker 1: when you're trying to make a run right now, which
Speaker 1: is what mister Jones's focus is, he's not concerned about development.
Speaker 1: It sounds bad, but you know, you you draft a lot,
Speaker 1: and you see what you got, and you're doing to
Speaker 1: let down to what you absolutely need that you don't
Speaker 1: draft eleven just to say I'm keeping eleven. Now you
Speaker 1: draft eleven to see, Okay, out of this eleven, who
Speaker 1: are the best guys that deserve to be here? If
Speaker 1: that requires me cutting a fifth round pick, that's what
Speaker 1: it is. You know, typically the only time that you're
Speaker 1: safe is one through four. So anybody below that is
Speaker 1: really sonantically Ball, I think balls there. I think Ball's there.
Speaker 1: You know, Farniat, I think he's probably gone. Um I love.
Speaker 1: I mean Simmy, Simmy has a heck of opportunity right
Speaker 1: now with Malik Turner out, depending on how how long
Speaker 1: Malik turners. If Malik turners out the rest of the preseason,
Speaker 1: that might that might be, you know, that might be
Speaker 1: Simmy's opportunity to slide in. But if if Malik Turner
Speaker 1: finds a way to get back in here within that
Speaker 1: last preseason game, I think it's hard and he has
Speaker 1: to slide in at the sixth receivers Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: one through five, there's no wiper five cut. No, you're
Speaker 1: not cutting. No, Brown, you're not cutting. Said well, so
Speaker 1: they tried, but no, those not those guys are as
Speaker 1: consistent as they've ever been. So you so it's a
Speaker 1: between Malik Turner and you know, who's a vet, who's
Speaker 1: been around, who knows how to play. You know with
Speaker 1: you what you're gonna get out of him on special teams.
Speaker 1: Simmy doesn't bring anything in special teams number six receivers
Speaker 1: not playing offense, So what do you need him on
Speaker 1: the roster for to play special teams? So you're gonna
Speaker 1: typically you go with the for sure thing in that regard,
Speaker 1: which he would be a core special teamer. Malik Turner
Speaker 1: would be one of the five core guys that that
Speaker 1: that he talks about. That's right. I mean he was
Speaker 1: on the team, not even kind of like CJ. Like
Speaker 1: CJ doesn't count really as a corner. And I don't
Speaker 1: know if they counted Malik as a wide receiver last year.
Speaker 1: So that's a good point. Um, yeah, I forgot about Simmy.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm kind of hesitant. I might go nine
Speaker 1: out of eleven there, but I do wonder if he's
Speaker 1: cut at the end of camp, he may be getting
Speaker 1: claimed by so he'll get absolutely. I just don't see
Speaker 1: for what this team needs right now. I don't see
Speaker 1: that he provides that value now. I think he'll be
Speaker 1: okay down the road, but I don't get the sense
Speaker 1: of urgency that he can contribute in the way which
Speaker 1: you need him to right now, which is your four
Speaker 1: or five and six receivers would be key contributors on
Speaker 1: special teams, that's what they would be. It's you're right,
Speaker 1: it would be a developmental guy, kind of like keeping mcuamo. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean Reggie Robinson was a developmental guide
Speaker 1: and I don't see him sticking around past it, you know,
Speaker 1: past this year. So so I mean, and then you
Speaker 1: look at mcquamo. I love mcquamo, but he's not a
Speaker 1: he's not hitting. So he has to show over the
Speaker 1: next two weeks that he can hit. And that's really
Speaker 1: a decision for him. If he shows that, the shows
Speaker 1: the staff that he's willing willing to hit, he doesn't
Speaker 1: have to be awesome at it. Are you willing to
Speaker 1: throw your head in there and hit somebody, then he
Speaker 1: makes this roster. If he doesn't, then guess what you're into.
Speaker 1: You're an additional corner, just like he played at the
Speaker 1: end of the last game. But they show you how
Speaker 1: much they value of Mukuomo on some of their stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love, I love. You know he's not He's not
Speaker 1: only in it free. They'll bring him up in the
Speaker 1: nickel corner situation yesterday, you know him come up in
Speaker 1: the nickel corner set and do really well. So that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I think he's a guy that may
Speaker 1: make the team. But I but then again, the same
Speaker 1: thing with him, right, if he's going to be on
Speaker 1: the roster and you're not going to be like one
Speaker 1: of our primary safeties or primary corners, what do you
Speaker 1: have to be able to do to contribute special teams?
Speaker 1: Special teams? And if you're not running and hitting anybody,
Speaker 1: you're not playing special teams. Point taking. So if he
Speaker 1: makes that decision, he secures his spot. That's all they
Speaker 1: are waiting for. Are you going to decide to throw
Speaker 1: your head in there and hit somebody? If you're unwilling
Speaker 1: to do that, I can't help you. And we're not
Speaker 1: talking about the cuts, by the way, for those listing
Speaker 1: from ninety to eighty five, this is not our conversation.
Speaker 1: We're mostly talking about the fifty three man roster. In
Speaker 1: the practice squad. Whenever that comes up, there's a good
Speaker 1: chance that those guys don't go don't go claimed and
Speaker 1: go unclaimed and make their way through waivers. I think
Speaker 1: Mquamma would probably have a better shot of it than
Speaker 1: Semi Phohoko, But we see it every year where a
Speaker 1: guy we think is going to get claimed ends up
Speaker 1: going unclaimed because every every team has their dudes that
Speaker 1: they want to hold onto, and maybe Phohoko, if he
Speaker 1: is one of the cutdowns, is one of those guys.
Speaker 1: We're not going to talk a whole lot about the
Speaker 1: five cuts because those could come out any minute and
Speaker 1: we don't want to kind of like make our predictions
Speaker 1: on it too early. How about this, This is from Ernie.
Speaker 1: He says, does Da going into a sixth year absolutely
Speaker 1: need those preseason reps? What value comes from playing him
Speaker 1: at a series against the Houston sections that he can't
Speaker 1: get in practice. I'll leave that to Isaiah. No, he
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily need them, not physically, he doesn't need them. Mentally,
Speaker 1: he may, but none of us are in that room,
Speaker 1: none of us are sitting next to him to understand
Speaker 1: his confidence level right now in his ankle, in his
Speaker 1: shoulder now, and that throws a whole other thing into
Speaker 1: into it. So I don't believe that he need necessarily
Speaker 1: needs those reps. I think the guys around him need
Speaker 1: those reps. Dak doesn't need those reps. His receivers need
Speaker 1: those reps. His office alignment need those reps. His tight
Speaker 1: ends need those reps. Those are the guys that need
Speaker 1: him because they their success is dependent on him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I mean, I Lewis Riddick on
Speaker 1: ESPN had a great point. I love his analysis, and
Speaker 1: he was saying, you know, every year in the NFL
Speaker 1: is new. You know you have a rapport with wide
Speaker 1: receivers on your team, but you have to re establish
Speaker 1: that every year. And I do think there's been something
Speaker 1: lost by him not being able to throw in these practices.
Speaker 1: And I do think you're you're the expert on this situation.
Speaker 1: I think it would be good for him maybe to
Speaker 1: get a series or two just to kind of see
Speaker 1: the field in live action and get out there with
Speaker 1: his guys. But clearly they're not worried about that much
Speaker 1: because based on what Mike McCarthy said yesterday, heck like
Speaker 1: they're not going to rush him in any way and
Speaker 1: to this point where now I'd be surprised if he
Speaker 1: plays in preseason because if they're keeping him out of
Speaker 1: competitive drills right now in practice, they've only really got
Speaker 1: two practices left this week, and then they play the game,
Speaker 1: and he said, we're not going to play him in
Speaker 1: the Jacksonville game. So now it looks like it's pointing
Speaker 1: toward Tampa Bay and they're they're fine with that as
Speaker 1: long as the biggest thing is keeping him healthy. You guys,
Speaker 1: you kill me when y'all come off, so cool, call
Speaker 1: him and collective about things, right, because nobody said this
Speaker 1: guy's he's eleven months removed from football, eleven months. Not
Speaker 1: only that, he's had to have a reconstruction surgery of
Speaker 1: the ankle, basically putting things back. Two surgeries. All right,
Speaker 1: now we're going to the shoulder. And by the way, guys,
Speaker 1: we opened up and Tampa obey and if he's not
Speaker 1: gonna take any pre season snaps at all, your live
Speaker 1: action is live action with the World champs on Thursday night.
Speaker 1: Eyeballs all over this thing. And the defense, by the way, man,
Speaker 1: they are salivating to get ahold of Dak. There's gonna
Speaker 1: be a bunch of seven and eight man fronts to
Speaker 1: come after him and pressure him. He's seeing that pretty
Speaker 1: much his whole career. If he doesn't have the rhythm
Speaker 1: with his wide receivers, then when do you establish that?
Speaker 1: Do you establish that in real time? No friendly fire,
Speaker 1: wartime kind of situation, because most of the time in
Speaker 1: the Army, they at least play war games before they've
Speaker 1: seen you out there. And I understand he's a veteran
Speaker 1: six years. These things come natural. It's in nate for
Speaker 1: him to play the quarterback position. But still there has
Speaker 1: to be a rhythm component to this that this offense
Speaker 1: doesn't have. I agree with you. I'm not like to
Speaker 1: panic mode about it, but I do think what sucks
Speaker 1: is that he pulled himself out and we saw everything
Speaker 1: that happened on hard knocks that folded. Why they you know,
Speaker 1: they kept him out of those drills. It was the
Speaker 1: first padded practice, first padded practice. He hasn't really had
Speaker 1: any team drills since he's come back off the ankle
Speaker 1: and if and you know, we'll see when he gets
Speaker 1: back into that, and he probably will before the end
Speaker 1: of preseason, but it's not as much as you would
Speaker 1: like to just get a rhythm and and seeing the field,
Speaker 1: seeing things, processing things at the quarterback position. It's not
Speaker 1: it's not ideal. You know when you guys saw on
Speaker 1: Heart Knocks that Mike McCarthy asked about some number for
Speaker 1: DAK What what is that? Like this the GPS? Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's mostly like a it's the tracking system. Yeah, tracking
Speaker 1: system to see how far, how long they were going
Speaker 1: under Oh kind of is what it is. I just
Speaker 1: I didn't know what it's. It's a numeric value to
Speaker 1: the physical strength or a strain that that the players
Speaker 1: are going in what you do in your gym with
Speaker 1: no so we have so you guys have that last
Speaker 1: year in the league. That technology has been money. That
Speaker 1: technology has been around soccer for a very long time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they used it all they're using a soccer a ton.
Speaker 1: It's just essentially it's a track advice. It literally measures
Speaker 1: how far you ran that day, how fast you were going, um,
Speaker 1: exactly your acceleration, and it just puts analytics to your
Speaker 1: actual work. So instead of just saying, hey, heck was
Speaker 1: you've been out there running? It seemed like you had
Speaker 1: a you know, you had sixty plays a day. Okay, cool,
Speaker 1: that's that's a good amount. All right, Well how hard
Speaker 1: were you going? What was your heart rate? All those
Speaker 1: kind of things, right, so there, but to track all
Speaker 1: that information, and essentially what you saw our hard knocks
Speaker 1: was them saying as too many reps on his leg.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a shoulder. There's too many reps on his ankle. Right,
Speaker 1: we don't, we don't. We don't need that on him
Speaker 1: right now, so let's pull him back. I did not
Speaker 1: like that. Either did not like that. No, we did not.
Speaker 1: I like the competitive side of that. A lot of
Speaker 1: people were like, oh my gosh, whatever, and like, no,
Speaker 1: I like that. Um, I want to go back to
Speaker 1: what Heckman was saying. No, and a very good point,
Speaker 1: by the way, the first time he's going to test
Speaker 1: a hundred percent, because no matter what you do to
Speaker 1: try and replicate it in practice, you have a red
Speaker 1: jersey on, you're not running away from people trying not
Speaker 1: to get tackled in practice. The first time if he
Speaker 1: doesn't see a preseason snap, the first time he's gonna
Speaker 1: do that is with that front seven from the reigning
Speaker 1: world champions barreling down upon you. Yeah, that's not it's
Speaker 1: not what you want, But I mean, let's look at
Speaker 1: the reality. Had it not been for his shoulder, he
Speaker 1: would been playing in preseason. Yes, had not been for
Speaker 1: his shoulder, he would have been playing in preseason. But
Speaker 1: since his shoulder, your game plan has changed. So now,
Speaker 1: obviously he's just now starting to throw again, So you
Speaker 1: don't play him in this game obviously, And then you're
Speaker 1: not going to play him in the last preseason game
Speaker 1: that you have because that team's gonna be playing their
Speaker 1: two's at best yep, So you don't put him at
Speaker 1: risk for that because those guys are gonna be playing
Speaker 1: balls to the walls and they don't they's gonna be
Speaker 1: reckless abandonment, they don't, they don't care. They're gonna be
Speaker 1: throwing their bodies around. It's not a safe environment. And
Speaker 1: it's not going to be the quality of guys that
Speaker 1: he's gonna be playing against the following a week anyway.
Speaker 1: So how much would he really get or gain out
Speaker 1: of playing a series or two against guys that are
Speaker 1: not at the quality or caliber of guys that he's
Speaker 1: gonna be facing on week one. It's not worth the risk,
Speaker 1: that's all. That's all we're saying. It's it's not that
Speaker 1: he doesn't need the reps, it's just that those aren't
Speaker 1: quality reps. So you're you're, you're, you're putting him at
Speaker 1: risk for something he's not going to get a lot
Speaker 1: of value out of his risk rest reward that we've
Speaker 1: we've had hints of this the last week or so.
Speaker 1: A few of us chatted with Stephen Jones and Ox
Speaker 1: Hard and he said that it's overrated to worry about
Speaker 1: a veteran quarterback not getting preseason reps. I So they
Speaker 1: don't seem to be concerned. And the biggest thing is,
Speaker 1: let's not have a setback with that shoulder. Yeah, let's
Speaker 1: you know, let's not do anything. And Mike reference like
Speaker 1: his volume throwing, he's just not to that point where
Speaker 1: he's throwing the amount of balls that he normally does.
Speaker 1: And until they get to that point, they're not gonna
Speaker 1: put him out there. People need people need to be
Speaker 1: more concerned about his shoulder than his ankle. Go, wow,
Speaker 1: why that's that's facts. His ankle is fine. Okay, his
Speaker 1: ankle's fine. I mean, mckillan was perfectly fine. It's he
Speaker 1: got rolled up on. So that could happen to anybody. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: So your ankle is good until somebody rolls the ball
Speaker 1: you whether you had previous injury or not. His shoulder,
Speaker 1: he uses that thing. It's based off of last year
Speaker 1: fifty something times a game. Okay, So the wear and
Speaker 1: tear of that game, along with the amount of reps
Speaker 1: that you have in practice if you pull. I reference
Speaker 1: this to to heck man, if you pull. For those
Speaker 1: in the world have pulled a hamstring. You pull a hamstring,
Speaker 1: you nurse it up, you heal it up. If you
Speaker 1: don't heal it all the way, if there's even a
Speaker 1: slight tear stealing that hamstring, at some point in time,
Speaker 1: when you put that under duress and under stress, it's
Speaker 1: going to retear. So, being that this is a muscular
Speaker 1: issue seemingly for him and his shoulder, there's a risk,
Speaker 1: not necessarily not right now right but down the road
Speaker 1: when there's some more wear and tear on him that
Speaker 1: this presents itself again. Which is why the conversation we're
Speaker 1: having previously is so important for them to prepare for
Speaker 1: the worst case scenario in terms of making sure that
Speaker 1: their number two guy can carry the load for a
Speaker 1: week or two, just in case, Just in case. Now
Speaker 1: you praying you hope that it never presents itself. You
Speaker 1: who do everything that you can, sure that's the case,
Speaker 1: but you prepare as if it's going to present itself. Hmm.
Speaker 1: That was a good question, by the way, that was
Speaker 1: a fantastic question. Great job, Ernie. Um. Yeah, so I'm
Speaker 1: not ready to press it yet, but I'm on Amazon
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Speaker 1: I mean that being my first time on the sideline
Speaker 1: for a Cowboys game and I guess four years Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. Did you feel like a small human? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah I did. I'm and I'm six three, Like I'm
Speaker 1: not a little guy. Heckma makes me look little. You
Speaker 1: make me look little. Rob sometimes does too. He's he's
Speaker 1: a big guy. We're all kind of large human beings
Speaker 1: in here. But man, I felt, Oh that's a word
Speaker 1: I never thought I would hear on this show. Um, Chris,
Speaker 1: can you get a dump? But what he's talking about
Speaker 1: just folded? Um? Yeah that. Um. I was asked while
Speaker 1: while walking around by somebody up in the sands, said,
Speaker 1: what what what time are we going to talk about
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore, Well, when are we talking about Kellen Moore?
Speaker 1: And my initial answer was the regular season in my
Speaker 1: head anyways, And my thought process as the day went
Speaker 1: along was, this was such an issue in the red
Speaker 1: zone last year getting off to a hot start offensively,
Speaker 1: with the exception of the first I guess three games,
Speaker 1: even then we got off to slow starts, So I
Speaker 1: guess all of last year's slow starts offensively. Is this
Speaker 1: a problem? Heck, Ma Harrison, is Kellen Moore? What's going
Speaker 1: on with him and his play calling early in games
Speaker 1: and then whenever they get into the red zone. This
Speaker 1: preseason has really in just training camp and being able
Speaker 1: to be in the building has given me an up
Speaker 1: close and personal look at Kellen Moore's offense. And my
Speaker 1: honest opinion is is if this thing ever catches, it
Speaker 1: is going to be on fire. Sure it is going
Speaker 1: to I mean because he's using multiple sets. I mean
Speaker 1: he ran out of I had someone point is that
Speaker 1: he ran he actually passed out of an eye formation
Speaker 1: that is so nineteen eighty eight, Like if Emma Smith,
Speaker 1: Moose and Mike in Harper out there. Because this is
Speaker 1: just certain things you hadn't seen in an offense in
Speaker 1: a very long time. I like it. The thing is
Speaker 1: I think sometimes is that he gets to the red
Speaker 1: zone and he's got a list so big, and he's
Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to get the play calling together,
Speaker 1: and he's had some misses, right, And I'm not making
Speaker 1: up a whole bunch of excuse. I just like the
Speaker 1: scheme that he has and I think that it's absolutely
Speaker 1: going to work once he gets Dak and gets gets
Speaker 1: his all of his guys back together. But those are
Speaker 1: the questions that are looming with Kelly Moore, and I
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, look, you guys, we're married, man
Speaker 1: in and so you know that the best apology is
Speaker 1: change behavior. I can tell you I'm sorry all day,
Speaker 1: but if I don't change my behavior, then I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna doom to repeat it over and over again. Change
Speaker 1: your behavior in the red zone, Kelly, change your behavior
Speaker 1: in the red zone. Run the ball. And I know
Speaker 1: a lot of people do not like going with those
Speaker 1: you know, twelve twenty, get crowded all up together and
Speaker 1: run the ball. But sometimes you gotta go back to
Speaker 1: basics on this thing. And that's where I feel like
Speaker 1: Kelly needs to be I well, I would like to
Speaker 1: think that Kelly Moore has been in his waterboy green
Speaker 1: bugger and that he's been drawing up before it got
Speaker 1: stolen from him. Come up with this. I would like
Speaker 1: he has been drawing up just the most ridiculous plays
Speaker 1: you've ever seen, because he has every weapon that every
Speaker 1: team in this league wishes they had. Aside from Tampa,
Speaker 1: we have the most weapons in this league on offense
Speaker 1: side of the ball, and with the new arrival of
Speaker 1: a Dalton Schultz and what he now allows for you
Speaker 1: to do from on that side of the ball, we
Speaker 1: are possibility should be endless. So I would like to
Speaker 1: think that his behavioral change is coming this year, and
Speaker 1: preseason should be no indication in terms of what his
Speaker 1: work has been on the back end, because he's not
Speaker 1: supposed to show what he's going to do when his
Speaker 1: opening season comes. Now Week one, I want all the
Speaker 1: tricks out because they need to get off to a
Speaker 1: heck of a start against a heck of a team. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure, I Kyle, your initial reaction, that's mine. I'm
Speaker 1: reserving till the regular season. I think Kex said that too.
Speaker 1: Haven't seen Zeke have a carry in preseason, I think
Speaker 1: I think running the ball with starting offensive line is
Speaker 1: what they didn't have last year to be able to
Speaker 1: create that that part of your offense with all the injuries,
Speaker 1: that hurts you in the red zone when you can't
Speaker 1: do that, and if you have to go back and
Speaker 1: look at every situation and why it didn't happen. If
Speaker 1: you look at the first drive that they had in
Speaker 1: the red zone against the Steelers in Canton, it was
Speaker 1: pass protection. You know, a couple plays broke down and
Speaker 1: he had to toss the ball up and one of
Speaker 1: them almost got intercepted. He should have thrown it. So
Speaker 1: there are different reasons why. But I'm just gonna wait
Speaker 1: and see when it's got the full compliment in there.
Speaker 1: And you hope that they are the full compliment in there.
Speaker 1: I think we're all on the same page. Yes, wait
Speaker 1: until the regular season. That's something that I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people have a tough time doing, a lot
Speaker 1: of fans out there because it was so frustrating in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. It happened all the time. It was slow
Speaker 1: starts or offensive red zone struggles. I mean, those were
Speaker 1: two things that were knocks against Calamore and then you
Speaker 1: get out in the first two preseason games and it's
Speaker 1: the same story. And so it is for us rating
Speaker 1: and one percent get it. But you're right the offensive
Speaker 1: line and we're gonna talk about them here coming up
Speaker 1: here in a second. But having them back out there,
Speaker 1: having Zeke as a part of that weaponry on the offense,
Speaker 1: having all three wide receivers at the same time out
Speaker 1: on the field, we haven't seen that in the preseason
Speaker 1: game yet. I mean, having your quarterback. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of things that you are going to have in the
Speaker 1: regular season that you don't have in the preseason, including
Speaker 1: a full playbook. So regardless of the talent that's out there,
Speaker 1: your playbook goes from being this big to that big
Speaker 1: once the preseason comes around because of what you want
Speaker 1: to show to other teams and what you're gonna put
Speaker 1: out on film. But I mentioned the offensive line and
Speaker 1: hackm I'll start with you on this one. But it
Speaker 1: looked really good. I mean as a starting five, the
Speaker 1: guys that you are excited to have that return with man,
Speaker 1: they look the part throughout and I want to get
Speaker 1: your excitement level on having those guys back into the mix.
Speaker 1: Anytime you have number seventy seven on the field, you
Speaker 1: better be excited because he's the best in the business.
Speaker 1: So seeing him healthy, I mean and seeing him just
Speaker 1: completely eliminate people in practice is promising for me. Zack
Speaker 1: Martin is just a savage. I mean, he's Zack Martin.
Speaker 1: You know what he's gonna do. He's done at time
Speaker 1: and time again be Hodish. There's obviously some confidence in
Speaker 1: Beyonnish if they're not getting him reps in the second
Speaker 1: preseason game and running Connor out there, So that to me,
Speaker 1: I just want to say, all right, obviously the coaching
Speaker 1: staff feels confident in him. Connor is making hey man,
Speaker 1: Connor's he's bringing it back. I mean he's you're seeing
Speaker 1: fighting with Aaron Donald things like. I like where Connor
Speaker 1: is going toughness, But I don't want to see him
Speaker 1: at at center at all ever, zest nightmare. I don't
Speaker 1: want to see that. So I'm liking. I'm liking what
Speaker 1: I'm seeing from an offensive line perspective, but not seeing
Speaker 1: Zeke run behind that offensive line yet is giving me
Speaker 1: the bigger questions. Like I said, with Lao Collins, I've
Speaker 1: been watching him a lot because he was the one
Speaker 1: guy that had the biggest question marks on and it
Speaker 1: was in the Arizona game I did he was trying
Speaker 1: to reach block xaving Collins. Zaving Collins by the way,
Speaker 1: and he got you was high up owner, He's the
Speaker 1: real deal. But he was trying to reach block Xavien.
Speaker 1: He couldn't get there. They're guys right in front of him.
Speaker 1: Yesterday we were talking in the press box h and
Speaker 1: talking to Derek. There guys just right in front of
Speaker 1: ELC that are beating him. And these are just things
Speaker 1: that we are not used to seeing from him because
Speaker 1: he's such a dominant guy at the right tackle. So
Speaker 1: all in all, I'm really pleased with what I'm seeing.
Speaker 1: I just feel as though these next couple of preseason games,
Speaker 1: getting Layout Collins, just that confidence behind him, I think
Speaker 1: that's gonna be the thing that's gonna be important for
Speaker 1: the offensive line. Yeah. I feel good about our starting line,
Speaker 1: our starting line, but the guys that had to step
Speaker 1: up last year in terms of Night, in terms of Steel,
Speaker 1: I feel like they've taken a massive step backwards. In
Speaker 1: terms of absolutely even Steel, because I like Steel is
Speaker 1: definitely taking a step forward. I would agree with you
Speaker 1: on night. I haven't from what necessarily been, You've seen
Speaker 1: more than I've seen practice wise, But for the practices
Speaker 1: that I've seen in some of the games, I feel
Speaker 1: like he's taking a step back. And it's almost as
Speaker 1: if they had the confidence last year because they had
Speaker 1: to be the necessity. As a necessity, so I have
Speaker 1: to step up and be the guy. So you start
Speaker 1: getting some of your old your old confidence back, right,
Speaker 1: like I'm that dude again. But then again, now that
Speaker 1: the the real guys are back, it's like, oh, let
Speaker 1: me fall back to who I was before and play
Speaker 1: my role because I'm seeing guys blow by both of
Speaker 1: these guys, and I'm like, where are the two guys
Speaker 1: from last year? You know, I'm not saying they were
Speaker 1: dominant last year, but they they came in and did
Speaker 1: a pretty dog on a good job last year. Like
Speaker 1: where are those guys? Yeah, I think I'm with Isaiah,
Speaker 1: Like the starting offensive line when they're full strength, you
Speaker 1: feel pretty good about it. You have to be honest,
Speaker 1: is the X factor? Can he be? You know that
Speaker 1: Travis Frederick guy where you know he's setting he's the
Speaker 1: quarterback up there pre snap and you know it is
Speaker 1: interesting the lack of reps that he's had in the
Speaker 1: preseason games. You know, I'm a little surprised at that,
Speaker 1: But Dak hasn't been in there either, so I don't know.
Speaker 1: Mike was asked that question yesterday and he said, well,
Speaker 1: he's taken like ninety eight percent of the practice reps
Speaker 1: with the one so you have to trust your practice
Speaker 1: schedule and all that. So yeah, I mean, I think
Speaker 1: from the starting line, there's some good things that you
Speaker 1: feel good about. I'm not sure about the center backup position.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of with Kyle. I think if you're looking
Speaker 1: at the swing tackle candidate, it's not counting Zack Martin,
Speaker 1: who can slide over there. I think Terrence Steele might
Speaker 1: be the best one that we've seen since ox Nart started,
Speaker 1: But Tina Sek he's taken more of the snaps on
Speaker 1: the left side, so it kind of lends you to
Speaker 1: think he's still the leader in the clubhouse to win
Speaker 1: that job. Do you think a part of the step
Speaker 1: back that you're seeing Isaiah from Terrence Steele Because whenever,
Speaker 1: like you said, when you're the last man standing, what
Speaker 1: is your mindset? It's like it's like just throwing everything
Speaker 1: at it. I mean, you're going balls to the wall,
Speaker 1: like you said, just kind of going full blown. What No, man,
Speaker 1: You're right, I mean you're you're you're fighting for your life,
Speaker 1: especially as an undrafted free agent. Now you get to
Speaker 1: kind of learn a little bit, You get to test
Speaker 1: some things out, and you get to kind of listen
Speaker 1: and learn and react and do different things along the way.
Speaker 1: Do you think that could maybe play into the factor
Speaker 1: that he hasn't had maybe some of the better practices.
Speaker 1: Because you're saying this, and Rob and I are looking
Speaker 1: at it saying, wow, tarn Steele actually looks better than
Speaker 1: guys like Ti and Zeki and Josh Ball went he was.
Speaker 1: If you're comparing them to those guys, I'm not comparing
Speaker 1: them to those I'm comparing them to what how their
Speaker 1: performance last year in the actual regular season. And I
Speaker 1: just feel as if some of the things that I'm seeing,
Speaker 1: and even in just in practice alone, they're getting they're
Speaker 1: getting blown by. Now. I don't know the reason for it.
Speaker 1: I don't know what their calls are. I don't know
Speaker 1: if the guys next to him are missing there as signmas.
Speaker 1: There's a whole lot of things. They don't have a
Speaker 1: blueback hall. Yeah there's no blow by, right, but there's
Speaker 1: no But it seems right without on it with the
Speaker 1: information that I have in terms of they're they're uh,
Speaker 1: what their what their roles are in their assignments are.
Speaker 1: They're not getting it done from what I've seen, and
Speaker 1: I would expect them to have. You expect anybody, all
Speaker 1: your roster to make us a leap in in a
Speaker 1: proper direction. And I just feel as if they just
Speaker 1: have pulled that lever back and I don't. I don't. Again,
Speaker 1: there's a whole lot of reasons why it might be.
Speaker 1: It might be because they're intimidated. It might be because
Speaker 1: maybe their coaches are getting on a little bit more.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's to be the backup quarterback situation and what's
Speaker 1: going on there. I don't know. There's a whole lot
Speaker 1: of what ifs. But I'm just not seeing I was
Speaker 1: expecting them to come out and be kind of stowick
Speaker 1: up front, and I'm just they're seeing that. I'm seeing
Speaker 1: their numbers turned sideways a lot. I'm still thinking about
Speaker 1: Harry Winkler, Kellen Moore. I will say yesterday's yesterday's practice
Speaker 1: was a win for the pass rush man. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: were all over. I mean even even Tyring Dorance Armstrong
Speaker 1: DA got around him more than one twice, definitely at
Speaker 1: least two times. We can't we can't do this without
Speaker 1: giving your boy a shout out. Now, he made a
Speaker 1: bad he made a good bad play. But Bradley and
Speaker 1: I showed up last week. Yes, he showed up last
Speaker 1: week and I was disappointed. He got excited because he
Speaker 1: made a heck of a move, went up field, spent back,
Speaker 1: came up and he had but a dude, he can't
Speaker 1: do that. But he was excited. He was like, well
Speaker 1: I did free free and he made another good play
Speaker 1: later on to make up for it. But he showed
Speaker 1: up now, and we haven't heard much about them, Louie
Speaker 1: alligator arms. He's been he's been getting showed a quarterback.
Speaker 1: We talked a lot about that last year. We did
Speaker 1: we did, but that was that was written in an article. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was about to say, so you you're you're He
Speaker 1: heard you in the off season. I'm pretty sure he
Speaker 1: heard you. Well, he's heard me cheering for him all
Speaker 1: the way through the coaching staff, of me asking straight
Speaker 1: camera on camera, please get him. I was. I was
Speaker 1: excited for him. I was really excited. I've been excited too.
Speaker 1: I've kind of come to the terms that he may
Speaker 1: be the odd man out. Um, I think yesterday. This
Speaker 1: isn't my my sheet from yesterday, but I did a
Speaker 1: like what I would do or what excuse me, what
Speaker 1: I think the coaching staff would do, cut wise, and
Speaker 1: I think he was on that chopping block. So I
Speaker 1: don't know. I liked what I saw from him. I
Speaker 1: still think he's got a little bit of a ways
Speaker 1: to go, and maybe he's a developmental guy to continue
Speaker 1: to be. And you talked about yesterday's yesterday's practice man
Speaker 1: the defense and defensive line, Dorance Armstrong. You tweeted about
Speaker 1: dorn So Armstrong, he putting together that solid preseason game
Speaker 1: and his practices. I know this may be a contract
Speaker 1: year for him. Yep. But man, Darran says, I mean
Speaker 1: he looks big, Yeah, he looks good, and special teams
Speaker 1: loves him, especial teams coach loves him. Yeah. So I'm
Speaker 1: just saying just from what I've seen from ninety two, man,
Speaker 1: he's looking good. There's a battlegrounds coming out, Oh, Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys Dot com about Doran story. I'm strong how about that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's coming out. I think Nick said it will probably
Speaker 1: be up around lunchtime. So Malik Hooker showed up yesterday
Speaker 1: in practice. He did He's looking good. How outside of
Speaker 1: the pick? How did he look? Because everybody saw the pick.
Speaker 1: He was a pick six, he was on a tip ball,
Speaker 1: and he looks his footwork looks good. I know a
Speaker 1: lot of and a lot of people are looking at
Speaker 1: him in his previous injury. To me, he looks good.
Speaker 1: I was sitting up there with Barry Church yesterday and
Speaker 1: we both were seen the same thing. He looks fluent
Speaker 1: right now. And obviously the pick was a heck of
Speaker 1: a tip ball. He just had to catch it and
Speaker 1: go with it. But um, yeah, Nayan Nayan, if nay
Speaker 1: Shan just just put his hands on somebody just he
Speaker 1: did better last game. He did better last game. But
Speaker 1: e Honda, I need the e Honda to come out.
Speaker 1: I don't know if should we give him like the
Speaker 1: Street Fighter game? We probably should. Can we go talk
Speaker 1: to talk to somebody about that younger than I am,
Speaker 1: He probably doesn't know, but if he gets can we dawesome?
Speaker 1: All right? Can we at least dwesome just just throw
Speaker 1: it out there, hit him in the chest and forgot
Speaker 1: about him too. How do you do this? Like when
Speaker 1: do you walk? I'm excited about him. He has a
Speaker 1: lot of potential and I hate that word, but if
Speaker 1: he just gets physical, he will be everything that dan
Speaker 1: Quinn wants him to be. No, he's and and to
Speaker 1: going back to Malik Hooker, I even when you were
Speaker 1: talking about Kay's in the in the Arizona game, he
Speaker 1: came up and filled in a Harry and you saw
Speaker 1: that he met like it was like whoa we had
Speaker 1: seen that. Look at the safety. There was no thought process. No,
Speaker 1: he came up and he filled it, you know. And
Speaker 1: so if that's what we're looking for, especially in dan
Speaker 1: Quinn's defense, having safeties that you know, are aggressive and
Speaker 1: can read and react sideline the sideline. Malie Hooker, I
Speaker 1: think just from his man from his you know, his
Speaker 1: time in the league. You know that that's his staple,
Speaker 1: that's what he does. The dB room is an interesting
Speaker 1: conversation and we're gonna have that coming up on Thursday.
Speaker 1: I think that's gonna start our show. We're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about some dbs barring any crazy news between now and Thursday,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have a dB conversation. Look forward to it.
Speaker 1: Probably ten guys gonna stick around, maybe eleven if you
Speaker 1: wanted to stretch it, but most likely it's probably gonna
Speaker 1: be ten. And oh, there's tough decisions on the line
Speaker 1: coming up and we're gonna talk about it on Talking Cowboys.
Speaker 1: But that's gonna do it for this edition. Want to
Speaker 1: think everybody, Yeah back, I say it with your chest
Speaker 1: every single time for Chris Beams today, Heck Harrison, Isaiah Stanback,
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, I'm Kyle Yeoman's We'll see you on Thursday
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