WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Comfortable Or Concerned? 0:00:06.040 --> 0:00:08.560 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:19.480 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's Talking Cowboys, 0:00:19.960 --> 0:00:23.680 screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys Worldwhars at the Star 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:32.400 in Frisco. Elliot saw that's got kicks and now your 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:37.840 hosts Isaiah Stanback, heck My Harrison, Rob Phillips and Kyle 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:42.160 Yeoman's you know, I think Finn Lizzie said it best 0:00:42.200 --> 0:00:46.200 back in nineteen seventy six, that the boys are back 0:00:46.520 --> 0:00:50.559 in town. That would be us, that would be talking Cowboys, 0:00:50.640 --> 0:00:53.080 that would be us live from the Star in Frisco, 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:56.760 as we are reunited, and it's also good boys family. 0:00:56.840 --> 0:00:58.840 Did you still let a trope from Mickey? Did? I 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:03.120 got goes with the old school references, so no, thateen 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:06.760 seventy six. Maybe I had to google that as the 0:01:06.800 --> 0:01:09.080 show intro was coming out because I thought, oh, the 0:01:09.120 --> 0:01:11.000 boys are back in town. I don't know what year 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:13.120 this was released, so I wanted to look it up. 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:15.479 I even didn't even know Finn Lizzie saying that I'm 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:17.800 not gonna lie didn't either. I had no idea the 0:01:17.880 --> 0:01:20.679 name of whatever the artist was that that put that 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:23.880 out there. But my Harrison, Isaiah stand back, Rob Phillips, 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:26.600 and Kyle Yeoman's back here with talking cowboys and boys. 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:29.640 It is good to be back here. I missed you, guys. 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:32.560 I missed you guys. Y'all left, y'all, Yeah, y'all left me. Now, 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:35.199 wait a second, I was worried about you jumping ship. Yeah, 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:37.479 what are you worried about me? What are you talking about? 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:39.520 You worried about me? You don't start that, I was, 0:01:39.640 --> 0:01:42.600 don't you start the only a little bit too good? 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:49.840 A little bit too good? Wow? Yeah, so the brother too. 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:53.440 The only reason I say that is because on the 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:56.520 break yesterday they were having like show versus show talk 0:01:56.680 --> 0:01:59.440 about which show is better. And you've spent some time 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:01.400 with hanging lady, and I thought I didn't know where 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:04.720 you're legions necessarily lie. Maybe they're threatening because he did 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:06.920 such an awesome job. Maybe they're threatened now that you 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:08.919 know he's coming back. And our team has been working 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:11.120 hard during his awesome We've been working really hard during 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:15.880 I would expect that from Kyle. But this is a 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:20.480 sneak blow. Are you hurt? Pa? Really? This is a 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:24.639 side is you're here though? Yeah? So we're good. Let's go, 0:02:24.840 --> 0:02:27.000 So I miss you guys. All of us have really 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:30.720 kind of had new roles introduced to us over the 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:33.320 last three and a half four weeks now, I mean, heck, 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:35.400 my hats a host hanging with the boys, which, by 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:39.679 the way, fantastic job. That's always great job. Isaiah over 0:02:39.720 --> 0:02:42.200 here was the color commentator a three man booth for 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:47.000 the air Cardinals preseason. Ye, fantastic job. As always. Rob 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:48.840 as a new father, of course we knew that. And 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:51.200 he's having to go through anything else new for you. 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:55.639 That's about it. But yeah, that's time. There's that long 0:02:55.720 --> 0:03:02.480 since we hung out. Who questions are I'm trying to 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:05.600 find something new for Rob? Oh, well you're you're putting 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:08.680 together a documentary, so that's a big time thing. Yes, yes, 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:12.600 airing Saturday. Oh yeah, Darren Woodson. Darren Woodson called a 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:15.560 Path to safety his life and career. So we're excited 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:19.720 about that. It be really where it'll be on all 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:23.040 of our social channels and airing locally, I guess on 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:26.760 on CBS before the preseason game. It leads into countdown 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:30.359 to kickoff for the preseason game against the Texans, and 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:33.280 we did it last week with the Drew Pearson documentary, 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:36.040 Drew Pearson's life documentary and kind of his story along 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:39.400 the way to his Hall of Fame career. Really really 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:41.880 good job from the Deep Blue staff all the way over. 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:43.880 And we're excited for Rob's as well. For fans that 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:45.800 are very passionate to think wood he should be in 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:48.720 the Hall of Fame, I think they'll enjoy this. Yeah, 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:52.200 it outlines why why he needs to be there for sure, 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:54.760 and certainly I think he should be in that conversation. 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:57.360 So once again, the Darren Woodson documentary, you said, A 0:03:57.400 --> 0:04:00.160 path to Safety. Yes, I love that. I love that name. 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:02.160 That's coming up Saturday, so we should to look out 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:04.480 for that. I did some sideline reporting that was fun. 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:08.120 You've been all over the place. Though, you've been all 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:10.520 over the place. You've been the sideline reporter. You're doing 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:14.720 the camp preview, precamp, post camp. I mean, cool, man, 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:17.240 what can't you do? Battleground even tell us he's right 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:20.560 Battleground arts on Dallas Cowboys doctor. I mean, come on, 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:23.359 he's a busy man, I am, And it's been a 0:04:23.360 --> 0:04:25.320 ton of fun. And I have I've missed you guys. 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:27.800 I've missed the show. I've missed being in studio and 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:31.360 so having every everybody back is exciting, especially since we 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:33.919 were able to keep Peckmun and extend him to a 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:37.800 long term contract deal. We had some some competition from 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:45.240 hanging with the boys and we had So let's go ahead. 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:47.440 Since we haven't had this conversation as a group, I 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:50.520 want to get everybody's general thoughts about what happened in 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:53.120 Oxnard and kind of the growth of this team over 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:55.240 the last three and a half weeks. Hech, I'll start 0:04:55.240 --> 0:04:57.680 with you to kind of to get things started. But 0:04:57.960 --> 0:05:01.000 what have you seen growth wise the most over the 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:03.880 last couple of weeks and throughout training camps so far. 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:07.800 I mean, there's plenty to go to talk about the 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:11.520 defense obviously from last year, and just dan Quinn's effect, 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:15.720 the way that these guys are pursuing the ball, the 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:18.840 way that they're using these multiple looks. I think dan 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:21.880 Quinn's affect on this defense. And I've heard Nate Newton 0:05:22.000 --> 0:05:24.320 say maybe it'll take about six games, but for me, 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:26.400 you know, some of the things that I'm seeing are 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:31.080 immediately the immediate impacts. I think the competition level, which 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:34.320 we talked about the culture changing thing coming through competition, 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:37.279 and I've loved to see a lot of the competition. 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:40.400 Now it's all about these last couple of preseason games, 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:43.839 just to see them put this chemistry together, to see, 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:45.400 you know, what we're gonna have in our team in 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:47.680 twenty twenty one. But for the most part, I think 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:50.440 it's just been about the competition culture that I see 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:55.359 happening through Oxnard and continuing here in Frisco. Yeah, I 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:57.400 think obviously taking a look at the defense, you know, 0:05:57.600 --> 0:05:59.240 trying to figure out who our guys are going to be. 0:05:59.400 --> 0:06:03.240 I think we had probably half of our defensive starters established. 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:05.800 Aside from that, it's pretty competitive, you know, to your point, 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:08.520 I think it's an open, open competition. So I think 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:10.920 trying to see how that's going to kind of, uh, 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:12.359 you know, the dust is going to settle on that 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:14.280 in terms of the secondary, in terms of what you're 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:16.880 rotation gonna be a linebacker. I think in terms of 0:06:16.880 --> 0:06:19.760 the defensive line, obviously we just suffered a blow with Gallimore, 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:21.840 but trying to understand what that's going to look like. 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:24.240 So I think a lot of our understanding of that 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:26.760 we have we have guys that can play, but how 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:29.120 do we involve them into the scheme, right, how did 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:30.760 they from and how does that change from week to 0:06:30.800 --> 0:06:33.240 week based upon our opponent and what they're presenting. And 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:35.080 then on the offensive side of the ball, it's all 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:37.960 been it's been all about getting healthy. I think, you know, 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:40.040 seeing if our offensive alignment or healthy, can they can 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:42.280 they take rushes? Can they you know, can they put 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:43.920 that back foot in the ground and take a bull 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:45.960 rush on? You know, going against the rams and practice? 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:48.040 How how did that go? We saw some guys had 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:50.400 a little fight in them. Um at the receiver position. 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:53.039 We're getting you know, guys are stepping up seedee lamb 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:55.960 stepping up. The competition for the sixth position is really 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:58.159 kind of picking up right now, especially with the injury 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:00.480 of the Malik Turner um and ending and then of 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:02.839 course all the drama you know, revolving around Dak and 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:05.479 do we have a second quarterback? Do we have is 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:07.920 that guy on the roster? So a lot of question 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:10.600 marks in terms of the offense right now, but I 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:12.760 think in terms of the defense, just who is it 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:15.880 going to be? Yeah, I go along with what Isaiah 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:18.640 just finished with. There's still some position battles that I'm 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:21.280 not sure about, you know, backup quarterback. I think Garrett 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:25.080 Gilbert has been by far the best backup quarterback in 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:29.920 this camp. But you know, budget pending, you know, would 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:33.400 they be still open to creating competition there based on 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:35.640 what they've seen with him. It's been good for him 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:37.440 to get some extra reps and kind of see where 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:40.240 he is running this offense. If you know, they come 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:43.360 into a situation without Dak during the season. Backup swing tackle, 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:47.400 what's the situation there? Backup center, what's the situation there? 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:52.280 And now this defensive line at defensive tackle, no Neville Gallimore, 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:55.000 who steps in? They got good numbers, as Mike McCarthy 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:57.400 said yesterday, at that position. They don't have a ton 0:07:57.440 --> 0:08:00.320 of experience at that position. So those are still questions 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:03.200 I've got going into this last stage of training camp. 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:05.040 But there there have been a lot of good things. 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:07.880 And you mentioned Ceedee Lamb. We had a discussion our 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:10.600 last show, I think before we all broke before camp, 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:12.760 and I said, Amari Cooper is the best receiver on 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:16.000 this team. He's gonna have competition for that this year. 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:19.440 Based on what we've seen out here in Oxnard. I'll 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:22.080 still go with the MARII Cooper based on his entire 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:24.320 body of work his career. But what we've seen from 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:27.520 Ceedee Lamb in these practices and they're not tackle practices, 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:30.160 but he has been dominant. He looks like a first 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:34.640 round draft pick in everybody's fantasy leagues this year. That's 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:41.000 big time head. I didn't know this football. So Robert, 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:43.840 are you taking Ceedee Lamb over Amari Cooper and in 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:47.080 your fantasy I didn't say that, I got I got 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:49.679 that in my head yesterday because Derek was like, where 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:52.240 would you where would you just hypothetically draft him in draft? 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:56.160 I'm like, I don't know, first round, not first overall necessarily, 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:58.640 but hi, I mean, if he's going to do this 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:02.679 all season, that all purpose yards, that fantasy impact. So 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:05.920 outside of Ceedee Lamb, if you would have told me 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:09.720 back on July nineteenth, to day before we left for 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:13.520 Oxnard that the majority of my questions in the middle 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:16.440 of August would be on the offensive side of the football, 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:19.040 I might have laughed at you. Yeah, but there are 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:22.200 a lot of questions on that offensive side, and luckily 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:27.480 for that, the offense starters isn't necessarily the biggest question. 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:30.880 It's all about the depth because starter wise, I think 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:33.080 you're pretty much set. You could set the starters right 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:35.840 now with your eyes closed, with nothing en in front 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:38.760 of you. You've got your starters set down after that, 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:41.840 which you're going to go after that. It almost looks 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:44.520 like you're one deep in every position and there's not 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:46.760 a whole lot underneath that. Is that scaring you as 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:50.079 much as it scares me? Yeah, it should scare you. 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:52.040 But the thing is is that training camp is all 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:55.560 about evaluating talent in depth, and so they've had an 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:58.240 opportunity to see where they are. And I think going 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:02.640 into training camp you wanted to figure out how they 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:04.920 were going to shore up the swing tackle position. You 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:07.120 thought that there were going to be certain players or 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:12.079 development from Still and Night and even the Secky signing, 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:14.800 that we would kind of the learning curve would be 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:16.480 there and you would kind of put that whole thing 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:18.240 to bed. But I think when you see the players 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:21.120 come back, like even with Leo Collins and him coming 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:23.840 off of the labor surgery, even looking at Trip you 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:27.600 know with Smith and seeing where he is again, I 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:30.360 don't fault you for having those questions after seeing Still 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:33.520 in Night play for two preseasons and even the sec 0:10:33.920 --> 0:10:36.320 even though he did a lot better in the second 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:38.880 preseason game. I think those questions are going to loom 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:41.079 and you're gonna have them all the way until Raymond 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:45.800 James Stadium. Yeah, I'm concerned. I'm very concerned. Swing tackle 0:10:45.960 --> 0:10:47.560 is one. I think you just made a great point 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:51.040 swing tackle. I'm extremely worried about. I am ultra worried 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:54.640 about the center spot. What happens to if Tyler Biadas 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:57.480 is not able to play all six? But you knew 0:10:57.520 --> 0:11:00.640 that going into the sea. You knew we get But 0:11:00.720 --> 0:11:03.280 that's the thing is we always looked at him. We 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:05.240 had that spot circled. I think we talked about it 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:07.560 on it. Yes, I think we were saying, okay, what's 0:11:07.559 --> 0:11:09.800 after Tyler Beotish because there wasn't a whole lot of 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:12.440 was Matt Farniott who played guard for the majority of 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:16.400 his time at Nebraska. What's going on backup quarterback is 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:18.600 the same thing. I think Garrett Gilbert has done the 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:22.560 most out of those three positions to ensure that, Hey, 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:25.360 guess what, We're gonna be fine at that spot if 0:11:25.720 --> 0:11:29.079 worst comes to worst. But either way, you're not comfortable 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:33.040 any of those three don't like our backup quarterback situation, 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:37.200 even with Gilbert at all, I don't yes, no, no, Gilbert. 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:40.240 Gilbert is not the answer. And that's no disrespect here. 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:41.800 I know he's doing his best, and you know he's 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:45.080 he's given and given us all. But for this offense, 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:49.920 it is very apparent to see the discouragement on the 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:52.520 faces and the body language of all the players that 0:11:52.520 --> 0:11:54.960 are on the field when he's out there, when he goes, 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:58.240 when he even especially even last night, guys are running open. 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:00.160 You have guys beat on a goal routes or post 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:02.400 routes about one or two steps and it's underthrown, the 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:04.720 ends up hitting the back of a defensive back. That 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:07.640 is discouraging. As a receiver. You can see CD. You 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:10.840 can see galloping those guys walking back, not running back, 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:14.360 walking back to the huddle of saying next man, go ahead, 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:17.280 get the next rep. That's because I really don't care 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:19.640 to be in there right now with that guy. I'm 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:21.120 just I'm just telling you how it is. And when 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:24.360 when it's when you have those players that that keep 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:27.920 you you, you recognize he's not Dak as a player 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:29.480 on that team, you reckon, He's not Dad, He's not 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:33.000 our guy, nor is he supposed to know exactly, but 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:35.360 you expect him to come in and to deliver, right, 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:39.000 It's one thing. Effort is one thing, right and executing 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:42.520 is another. He's giving effort, he's trying his best, but 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:45.120 sometimes your best just isn't enough to match up with 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:49.400 the the the guys that you have around you. So 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:51.520 if these guys are out running him, not good. If 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:53.680 he's he's patting the ball because he doesn't feel curfortable 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:55.959 in the pocket, is not good. If he can't step 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:58.040 up into pocket and deliver a ball when guys are blitzing, 0:12:58.280 --> 0:12:59.920 it's not good. If he doesn't have the ability to 0:12:59.920 --> 0:13:02.559 get out the pocket and create plays when that happens, 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:05.760 it's not good. So it's not good, not only because 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:07.880 you can't run the same offense that you can run 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:10.200 when Dak's in in the game, but these guys don't 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:12.640 even have the faith in you that you can even 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:14.439 move the ball down the field. And that's when it 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:17.160 becomes an issue because you've seen it last year. Ceedee 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:19.080 Lamb dropped a lot of balls last year, not because 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:21.560 he wasn't able to catch the ball, but because he 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:23.400 was like, I'm not gonna be able to do nothing 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:27.160 with this ball afterwards. You know, it's literally a light switch. 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:30.520 I'm discouraged, So I'm not putting forth that extra to 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:33.280 go get this thing because we're probably gonna have him 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:36.760 three and out really quickly. So I had noticed the 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:41.400 same energy level drop off the first practice following Dak 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:45.400 Prescott's shoulder injury. There was a noticeable drop off with 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:48.120 the energy and ox Nard, how many practices have you 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:52.120 watched in Frisco to see that exact thing or watched 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:55.080 live in general to see that. I saw it in 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:57.079 the game. I saw it in the game the other night. 0:13:57.200 --> 0:13:58.920 I saw it, and I saw it last night. I 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:01.839 saw the practices and in California. So three for three, Yeah, 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:04.120 you've been three you've been out for three days, and 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:05.839 you've seen it all three days. That I mean, that's 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:09.240 that's worrisome. That's and and it'd be one thing if 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:11.160 it was just like a couple of plays, But there's 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:14.600 it's consistent. It's very consistent. It's it's a sack. It's 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:17.240 a it's a you know, I'm assuming it's a it's 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:19.200 not picking up the call in terms of where you're 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:20.920 sending your protection up front. I'm not in there to 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:24.720 see that, but he's getting sacked. UM. Ball location is 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:26.880 not on point. There's a couple of throws here and 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:28.960 there that you say, oh, hey, good job, But when 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:31.240 it's pretty consistent that if the ball is not being 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:33.480 worried where it needs to be, that's interesting because I mean, 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:37.000 former quarterback, I trust your opinion for sure, UM, and 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:38.760 I do to your point. I think when he's been 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:40.680 able to set his feet, he's had some nice touch 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:42.760 on the ball, not only the throw he made the 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:45.160 other night, but in practice he's done that too. I 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:47.640 think he's shown some good poise in these preseason games 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:50.920 when the pocket breaks down. But there have been a 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:53.720 couple of throws first drive of preseason in Canton, and 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:56.600 then I think the first drive the other night where 0:14:57.080 --> 0:15:00.680 easily could have been intercepted. So yeah, there's some decision 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:03.680 making gotta you gotta look at. I still think he's 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:06.280 probably gonna be the backup unless they find an option 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:08.920 that that fits their salary situation, because it's not what 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:12.840 it was last year. UM. But the reality of the 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:15.440 situation is, I don't know what else is really going 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:17.840 to be out there that's that's better than Garrett Gilbert 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:21.320 for what they can afford, probably, And it's the reality 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:23.720 of the job too. If you don't have Dak Prescott 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:25.200 for a stretch of games at some point in this 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:27.400 season for whatever reason, they're not counting on that because 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:30.240 his shoulder is doing a lot better. Um, it's gonna 0:15:30.240 --> 0:15:32.040 be a problem and it's gonna be a pill. I 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:37.000 have a projection, what's that. I foresee there being a 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:40.320 surprise cut or surprise trade to go get a number 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:45.200 two quarterback. It's definitely something they'll talk about. I'd be 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:47.560 shocked if they didn't, because at this point they have 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:50.560 to because it's not even close at the other at 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:52.720 the third and fourth guy, it's not even close. It's 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:54.600 a separation. And even when you look at the town 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:56.720 of level you're talking about Ceedee Lamb and guys, he's 0:15:56.880 --> 0:16:00.440 receiving core of these veteran guys, they they know when 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:03.200 you don't have it. They've ran this route a hundred times. 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:06.640 And if you hadn't gotten it there any of the times, 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:09.200 they look, you just can't do it. And that's the 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:12.560 discouragement that you're talking about. But that's where that's where 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:16.920 even with the backup center position and with the backup quarterback. 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:20.440 The powers that be, they know these guys talent level, 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:22.840 what they can and can't do, and these are just 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:25.040 things that have to be fixed. The backup center position 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:27.440 is pari month. They have to do something about that 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:30.440 right now, because you can't go into a season thinking 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:33.440 that all of these things are interchangeable, like Martin is 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:37.560 to right tackle, like you just can't Williams left guards 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:39.960 to center. It's just it's just not that easy. It 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:42.760 was a great idea on paper. It was a great idea, 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:45.240 and I think this offensive staff has been spoiled with 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:48.200 having a Joe Looney who can do that position. Flash 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:50.840 can go from guard to backup center and kind of 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:52.880 be that guy bad and forth. I think I got 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:55.040 spoiled a little bit in that regard. They tried to 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:56.840 do with Connor Williams, and they said, hey, you're good 0:16:56.920 --> 0:16:58.760 enough to get that done. You're a great or I 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:02.120 wouldn't say great, you're a good left guard in the league. 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:05.480 You could be a good center. Right. It's not that easy, 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:08.560 it really is. Do you if he fixed his snapping woes, 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:12.280 would you be okay? Yeah? Yeah, but that's the first 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:17.240 order of absolutely so, do you guys. Do you guys 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:19.880 believe that that can be fixed with just reps um 0:17:20.040 --> 0:17:23.240 maybe a thousand reps Yeah, I think it can. And 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:26.280 I personally don't think the experiment's over with because I 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:29.680 don't know what their other recourses unless they know McGovern 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:32.320 played it in college, but they haven't been willing to 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:35.639 put him at that position for whatever reason. I still 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:37.359 think they're going to work at it with him. I 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:41.640 just wonder why they didn't do it in yeah, in 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:45.600 May and June to kind of accelerate this process. Maybe 0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:47.639 they thought they had Joe Looney in their back pocket 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:50.480 and they weren't really worried about it until training camera. 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:55.320 They giants, I'd say, you they what they did. What 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:58.800 they did was low down. As soon as Kellen Moore 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:02.480 and Oxnard said, yeah, we don't have Joe yet. J 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:05.040 G hops on the phone. You don't have Joe at all, 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:08.639 my friend, you're not gonna have Joe. Joe retired and 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:11.160 they still have first rights to Joe. It becomes out 0:18:11.160 --> 0:18:15.840 of retirement. Yeah, So interesting thoughts at center. I think 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:18.560 I agree with you, Rob, I don't think they're done yet. 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:21.440 And it was what was it two snaps or three 0:18:21.440 --> 0:18:24.320 snaps during that Arizona game that we're iffy too and too. 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:26.080 You could really say two in the first game too, 0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:30.639 So yeah, four snaps I think in live action, yeah, 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:33.240 it's it's it's it's not good. It's you can't have 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:35.840 that happen, and that that affects Garrett Gilbert. I do 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:38.000 think to play devil's advocate. I think there are plenty 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:40.080 of things on offense you can be happy about and 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:43.520 optimistic about, even depth wise. I mean, I think your 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:46.360 wide receiver depth is really good. Good point. I think 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:48.600 you're tight end depth is good, although it's gonna take 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:51.200 it's gonna take him a little while to come back, 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:54.840 um from from the ankle injury, probably maybe into the 0:18:54.880 --> 0:18:58.680 regular season, so got three weeks to go there. Centers 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:01.280 into the preseason you mean end of preseason? Yeah, sorry, 0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:05.160 end of preseason. So center, you could always kick Zach 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:07.880 Martin at the tackle. I keep saying that that would 0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:10.879 be my recourse. But if they're just looking at the 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:13.879 guys that are competing for that job right now, I 0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:15.760 don't know, it's up in the air who's gonna win 0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:20.119 that job as the swing guy and then yeah, backup quarterback. 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:22.280 I like some of the things we saw from Garrett 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:25.679 Gilbert and Oxnard. But it's not a It's not an 0:19:25.680 --> 0:19:28.879 any Dalton situation where you feel, hey, this guy started 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:31.359 one hundred and thirty games in the league, and I 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:33.359 feel great about this. If Dad goes down, it's just 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:36.280 how do you feel if we go into week one 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:40.840 and this right shoulder situation hasn't progressed and it's still 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:44.440 something that's limiting him on throws, and they say, Okay, 0:19:45.080 --> 0:19:47.760 this is going along a lot longer than we think, 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:50.560 and Garrett Gilbert is gonna get the start like it's 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:52.879 Tom Brady. Well, I don't feel great about it. Okay, 0:19:53.080 --> 0:19:55.199 I don't feel great about it. It was rhetorical. I 0:19:55.200 --> 0:19:57.240 just yeah, I just wanted to get your expression. Well, 0:19:57.280 --> 0:20:00.160