Speaker 1: Alson media.
Speaker 2: So wat's this, y'all listen. I was waving a white
Speaker 2: flag today. I was like, Monday, y'all got it, you
Speaker 2: got it, it's yours. I'm tapping out. I usually recorded
Speaker 2: politics on Mondays, so the first Monday of the month
Speaker 2: is always after Club real Ones, which is what we
Speaker 2: do every first Sunday Day.
Speaker 3: Party is funnest thing ever.
Speaker 2: If you live in California, you live in Long Beach,
Speaker 2: not even in Long Beach, anywhere near Long Beach. I
Speaker 2: don't care if you're driving up from San Diego. We
Speaker 2: had to do it from Berlin and yesterday. Come to
Speaker 2: the party. It's a super fun party, and then there's
Speaker 2: an after party Rose Mellows next door. Anyway, you could
Speaker 2: hear the rasp of my voice. I don't know if
Speaker 2: you can, but I could feel it from hosting Club
Speaker 2: real Ones. You know, last night, I was so tired.
Speaker 2: Today kind of wasn't on my game as far as
Speaker 2: making sure everything technically was there.
Speaker 3: Now, I had an opportunity to.
Speaker 2: Interview two amazing people, the sister name April and this
Speaker 2: brother named Nate.
Speaker 3: It was like the dopest.
Speaker 2: Nate's is in black AG, which is black agriculture. The
Speaker 2: thought never crossed my mind. So stupid because of course
Speaker 2: it is that black people work farms too. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm such a city boy, and it's so stupid because
Speaker 2: our families come from there. You know, it's so dumb.
Speaker 2: But I was super excited to bring this to hood politics.
Speaker 2: Get all the mic set up, ask them, ask them
Speaker 2: to record on their end, and forgive my ignorance. I
Speaker 2: was like, Okay, this brother that pulls calves out of cows,
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't know if he gonna have
Speaker 2: the internet service to be technically savvy, like, so I
Speaker 2: want to make sure just in case, because listen, listen,
Speaker 2: here my prejudice, because I'm like, it's all kind of
Speaker 2: shit he can do that. I can't that. I'm like,
Speaker 2: don't get me wrong. I'm like, I don't play in
Speaker 2: his field. Nah, fam I mean it's words he knows
Speaker 2: I ain't never heard of.
Speaker 3: It's survival.
Speaker 2: Listen, when the coming of apocalypse happens, when the world
Speaker 2: blows up, I'm gonna have no transferable skills. They gonna
Speaker 2: have all the skills. They gonna keep us all alive.
Speaker 2: So don't get me wrong, But in the world we
Speaker 2: in now. I'm like, wow, you know, I know the Internet,
Speaker 2: and I'm coming in here trying to make a case
Speaker 2: for city folks to not treat rule people that way,
Speaker 2: to be like, nah, they one of us.
Speaker 3: That's our family, that's our future.
Speaker 2: But anyway, we get to this whole interview and I
Speaker 2: realized I wasn't recording. I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: we're y'all recording on y'all's in April professional reporter. She
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, yeah, I got mine.
Speaker 3: I was like.
Speaker 2: Nate was like, I mean I think so, you know,
Speaker 2: and then he hits the button and it goes recording
Speaker 2: in progress. Oh my god, somehow or another. I don't
Speaker 2: know how I did it. I don't know what happened.
Speaker 2: But if you know how zoom works, if you're not
Speaker 2: the person that started the meeting, you can't record it.
Speaker 2: So I'm assuming the whole time, I'm assuming is recording.
Speaker 2: Somehow or another. He became the runner of the meeting
Speaker 2: and was able to record, but it felt like he
Speaker 2: was only recording the last ten seconds of us.
Speaker 3: Trying to figure out who was recording. I was like,
Speaker 3: and then he was.
Speaker 2: Like, I think I got it, but look I'm just
Speaker 2: a country boy.
Speaker 4: What do I know?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 2: I know enough to know about country boys. When they
Speaker 2: say I'm just a country boy. That's just them saying like,
Speaker 2: all right, you got a chief. That's the country way
Speaker 2: of saying you got a chief. Because guess what. While
Speaker 2: I was ready to give up and ask them to
Speaker 2: record on Wednesday, that boy Nate sent the link. My
Speaker 2: man had the whole show record it. Don't you ever
Speaker 2: count them country boys out? So I now proudly present
Speaker 2: to y'all the actual conversation we had.
Speaker 3: Now, the audio is.
Speaker 2: Not gonna be what it usually is because we don't
Speaker 2: have separated tracks. We just got the one main audio
Speaker 2: and Matt's gonna do his best for it.
Speaker 3: But we did it.
Speaker 2: Joe, this is my interview of people from the podcast
Speaker 2: called The Heights, and we're gonna talk about how the
Speaker 2: Hoods and the Woods is really one thing politics.
Speaker 3: Y'all cool?
Speaker 2: So, like I said, like, I'll do all the intros
Speaker 2: and stuff like that later, but as far as like
Speaker 2: what we're doing and all this good stuff, but right now,
Speaker 2: I would much rather just let y'all intro show itself.
Speaker 3: April, you want to go first and then without over
Speaker 3: the night.
Speaker 4: Sure.
Speaker 1: I'm April Simpson. I'm a senior reporter covering racial equity
Speaker 1: at the Center for Public Integrity, and I'm happy to
Speaker 1: be here.
Speaker 3: Nice and clean, you know what I'm said, all right?
Speaker 5: They Yeah, I'm Nate Bradford, local rancher here in the
Speaker 5: state of Oklahoma, kind of born and raised in the
Speaker 5: state of Oklahoma. Calcaef Operation been in the ranching business
Speaker 5: for over twenty years. Uh, you know, we're dealing with
Speaker 5: some racing, I want to say, stuff dealing with the
Speaker 5: USDA and.
Speaker 4: The agriculture for black producers.
Speaker 5: So there's been several things happening in the USDA that
Speaker 5: black farms and ranchers hadn't had a chance to obtain
Speaker 5: those things and to to you know, USDA being just
Speaker 5: you know, us being discriminated or just say we was
Speaker 5: for the terms maybe like they.
Speaker 4: Don't you know, don't understand the culture.
Speaker 5: Right, So if we don't look like dam, talk like dam,
Speaker 5: maybe we lacked those opportunities just because it's like something
Speaker 5: we had to prove in who we are.
Speaker 4: And I'm just you know, it's just kind of time
Speaker 4: out for stuff like that being stereotyped.
Speaker 2: Right, I'm like you know, like diabolically just blown away,
Speaker 2: fascinated and always flabberbackasted by just how invasive anti blackness
Speaker 2: could be.
Speaker 3: Because in my.
Speaker 2: Mind, I'm like, of all the places that you would
Speaker 2: think you would find some sort of camaraderie and unity,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like you know, there's only
Speaker 2: so many ranchers, you know, I would imagine y'all's life
Speaker 2: experience among y'alls, Like I I can't fathom how like
Speaker 2: why would anyone find a way to discriminate it within
Speaker 2: this such a tight knit and small community. Like I
Speaker 2: think about like in you know, uh my listeners know,
Speaker 2: like you know, from south central LA, from the east Side,
Speaker 2: which is predominantly like Latino Filipino. That's kind of the area.
Speaker 3: I grew up in. But I feel like in any
Speaker 3: hood us say there's like.
Speaker 2: There's the there's the white family that just happened to
Speaker 2: live in your hood, you know what I'm saying, And
Speaker 2: like he just he with us, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Like you know, nobody thinks anything about it.
Speaker 3: It's just like I feel like I always say that
Speaker 3: like black.
Speaker 2: People are good and taking in straights like we we
Speaker 2: take in strays we love you, you one of us.
Speaker 2: Nah he with me, you know, with me, Like it's fine,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, And it's just so weird
Speaker 2: to me how it's just like what we share is
Speaker 2: this like experience of property, this experience of the hood,
Speaker 2: like you running from the same bullets I'm running from.
Speaker 2: Like why would I why would I treat you any different?
Speaker 2: It's so I aught that to say to hear you
Speaker 2: say that, as you said, cal and caf.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, yl carell calf.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get all that. I'm gonna get all the
Speaker 2: burbige wrong. I apologize.
Speaker 4: No, that's no big deal. That's what I'm here for.
Speaker 3: Man, Okay, good good good.
Speaker 2: Is like you would think as somebody who got to
Speaker 2: go out there and like do what y'all gotta do,
Speaker 2: there would be some sort of like.
Speaker 3: Unity and experience.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like is that so that's
Speaker 2: not even what you experienced or is that something that
Speaker 2: like maybe I would y'all put the put the powers
Speaker 2: that be.
Speaker 5: So when we say unity, when we look at black
Speaker 5: agriculture in this business, right, so my neighbors, I got
Speaker 5: predominant white neighbors where I'm at, and you know, they're
Speaker 5: they're real people.
Speaker 4: I don't have.
Speaker 5: The issue becomes when you started asking them for money
Speaker 5: and funding. Right in the United States Department of Agriculture
Speaker 5: pretty much it's like the Worldfare for all forming and
Speaker 5: ranch in the United States of America. So their goal
Speaker 5: is to make sure that we have food on the table,
Speaker 5: and we don't rely on other countries to get our
Speaker 5: food source. Right, so if we get in situations where
Speaker 5: like when the pandemic came rolled in, we was dealing
Speaker 5: with lack of food on the shelf. So the government
Speaker 5: was scrounging and making sure that the producers were staying
Speaker 5: in business right. And so at that point when all
Speaker 5: this money was getting handed out to to agriculture, they
Speaker 5: realized that the black farmers was about to go out
Speaker 5: of business. And we already knew, you know, we was
Speaker 5: already the end of the our deal. We already knew
Speaker 5: the streets knew what was happening on are for as
Speaker 5: black producers.
Speaker 4: But they finally got to Washington, d c. And they
Speaker 4: was going to try to do some stuff what they
Speaker 4: called debt relief.
Speaker 5: So I had obtained early on in my beginning the
Speaker 5: stage of ranching some government loan to get started. And
Speaker 5: that's that's a whole nother kind of a story.
Speaker 4: We can get in that as well.
Speaker 5: It was hard, hard for me to get it, but
Speaker 5: once I got in there, I was in the system, right,
Speaker 5: So they denied us to receive debt relief during the pandemic,
Speaker 5: you know at that time when the stock market literally
Speaker 5: went down.
Speaker 4: To nothing or process went negative.
Speaker 5: I mean in that April was like Doomsday of twenty
Speaker 5: twenty four, you know for everybody, and so our calves,
Speaker 5: we was not getting nothing for our casts was running
Speaker 5: and I was still having to feed these laps out right,
Speaker 5: I'm feeding all these hundreds of animals with nowhere to
Speaker 5: go with him.
Speaker 4: And then we we.
Speaker 5: Was trying to we was in the process of just
Speaker 5: talk about a little bit about some more the difficult
Speaker 5: we face. We was in the process of trying to
Speaker 5: sell our beef. So here was America wanting beef. We
Speaker 5: had beef on hand, thousands of pounds of beef, and
Speaker 5: we could not find.
Speaker 4: Processors to process our animals.
Speaker 5: Right, So here I am been feeding these animals hundreds
Speaker 5: of dollars a day, right and going through tons of
Speaker 5: fee When I say ton of two thousand pounds of feet,
Speaker 5: it's a lot of money that I put out there
Speaker 5: and then literally had nowhere to go with my animal
Speaker 5: because I couldn't get nobody to process my animal. But
Speaker 5: the white producers that had the infrastructure, they was able
Speaker 5: to take advantage and roll with their operations and keep
Speaker 5: going and g line wrench which drenched that we have
Speaker 5: here in Bola, Oklahoma just had to call it losses. So,
Speaker 5: I mean, just so USD was there for them, wasn't
Speaker 5: there in the You look at the background the USDA,
Speaker 5: it's a predominantly white industry, right, I.
Speaker 4: Mean what it is, yeah, is what it is. So
Speaker 4: they wasn't. They weren't even thinking about us.
Speaker 5: And at the same time, so when they tried to
Speaker 5: get that relief to the black forms and wrenchers too
Speaker 5: so they can hang on. You know, there were some
Speaker 5: white producers I just started out believe in Texas. Uh,
Speaker 5: in another state maybe Florida went in and said hey, no,
Speaker 5: we're not gonna allow.
Speaker 4: That to happen. So anyway they did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now everybody yelling you having handouts. Meanwhile they've been
Speaker 2: living on handouts.
Speaker 4: For a decades.
Speaker 3: Yeah, nah, that's that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you you you taught me a lot, April canna
Speaker 2: come to you, come to you in a second. But yeah,
Speaker 2: like you really taught me a lot here in the
Speaker 2: sense that like it's crazy how like just like racism
Speaker 2: that just it just works against us, like not.
Speaker 3: Even just us, but the whole system.
Speaker 2: You just like, damn like we need I don't understand,
Speaker 2: like we need the product. Like yeah, you just you
Speaker 2: just said that this one thing was the problem. Well
Speaker 2: here go a solution that you're just like, nah, not
Speaker 2: that solution. It just don't make no, it just don't
Speaker 2: make no sense, you know. And then something you said
Speaker 2: right there too that like goes to the systemic aspect
Speaker 2: of it is kind of the same thing that you know,
Speaker 2: you know, I've always found where it's like, well they
Speaker 2: got the like you said, this other farm or ranch,
Speaker 2: they got the infrastructure in place. So you know, I
Speaker 2: remember like when I first started doing music my twenties,
Speaker 2: you know, you offered this you know, big label deal,
Speaker 2: and they was just like have your lawyer look over it.
Speaker 2: And I was like, I'm sorry, my what now you know,
Speaker 2: like you know, and and umies were like I'll just
Speaker 2: ask my uncle, And I was like, oh word, you
Speaker 2: got an uncle that's a lawyer, Like, okay, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, So you don't have to find four
Speaker 2: five thousand dollars for this one?
Speaker 3: Read like you don't have to find that.
Speaker 2: Oh you got to you know, and if you didn't,
Speaker 2: and if your uncle couldn't do it, here loan you
Speaker 2: the five k for one of his friends from college.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. So like you you feel me?
Speaker 2: So like they already had a system set up. So
Speaker 2: it's like, so I'm coming in here, I'm about to
Speaker 2: you know, I'm about to lose my masters in ten
Speaker 2: years because I didn't know how to. I didn't know,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like, and they do, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? So that's when So that that
Speaker 2: that that generational build up, I think it's super is
Speaker 2: you just set it right there to be like, well,
Speaker 2: they already had the infrastructure to set it up. I
Speaker 2: was like, man, we was too busy trying to survive,
Speaker 2: trying to figure out how to keep this thing running,
Speaker 2: to be able to establish some sort of like relationship
Speaker 2: and training and being able to go to the USDA,
Speaker 2: whether I whether I knew somebody or not, whether they
Speaker 2: ever even clicked on my profile and no I was
Speaker 2: black or not. You know what I'm saying, it's to
Speaker 2: be like you already already got these things in place.
Speaker 2: Well that's generational, you know what I'm saying for you
Speaker 2: to have that in place. The other thing you said.
Speaker 3: Too, is like I'm a I'm a history nerd.
Speaker 2: So even just knowing like how the Homestead Act worked,
Speaker 2: being like, well, i mean the government they gave y'all
Speaker 2: that land, and then they gave y'all the ability to
Speaker 2: They loaned you the money for your tools and your tractors,
Speaker 2: the you know what I'm saying, they gave you training
Speaker 2: on how to do that.
Speaker 3: That just it just happened decades ago.
Speaker 2: So when you look at that, look at black ranchers,
Speaker 2: being like, why you guys surviving on handouts? It's like, fam,
Speaker 2: that's that's how you got the rants. You got it
Speaker 2: on a handout. Like, I don't understand what you don't
Speaker 2: understand about that anyway? Yeah, man, Yeah, I'm super interested.
Speaker 4: So that makes it very difficult for us.
Speaker 5: So it's it's not a level playing field, right, So
Speaker 5: I gotta keep rolling. I'm working a full time job.
Speaker 5: My boys is in college while it's working. Everybody is
Speaker 5: on full tilt. But what's happening is we running out
Speaker 5: of time? You know what I mean in a sense
Speaker 5: that all these experience and knowledge, we have the black
Speaker 5: forms of ranchers about to be extinct, and you know,
Speaker 5: the world don't see any give a damn be honest
Speaker 5: about it. It's like, how do we How does the
Speaker 5: culture not want to you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: I just nah, I feel you, man, and I'm in
Speaker 2: some ways I'm frustrated.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm guilty of this.
Speaker 2: And this is where I wanted to go to April
Speaker 2: on this one because you know, listeners, I was telling
Speaker 2: them to off Mike that like because of the great
Speaker 2: migration you know, of American slaves after the thirteenth Amendment,
Speaker 2: Like a lot of us went different directions. So if
Speaker 2: you're from Cali, if you're from Cali like La San Diego,
Speaker 2: chances are your family is from Texas and Oklahoma, you know.
Speaker 3: And I fit into that.
Speaker 2: My daddy from Dallas, you know, and my granniece she's
Speaker 2: sult for Spring, Texas and they was country as hell,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. And for some reason as
Speaker 2: a city boy. You know that I you know, for
Speaker 2: whatever family reasons why, Like my grandma didn't get along
Speaker 2: with my grandfather. My grandfather stayed, my grandmama left, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, So for whatever ratchetness that they
Speaker 2: didn't get along with, I didn't grow up going back
Speaker 2: to Texas.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying to like to know any
Speaker 3: of those roots.
Speaker 2: But like it's so stupid as a city boy, You're like,
Speaker 2: of course there's black people in agriculture, Like, like, of
Speaker 2: course there is, you know what I'm saying, Like I
Speaker 2: understand how the thought never crossed my mind until but
Speaker 2: then you but then you you just never connected the dots,
Speaker 2: you like, But Granny Country like she you know, she
Speaker 2: had us, she had us in South Central snapping peas
Speaker 2: and growing greens. You know what I'm saying, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: but but we was in l A. I just thought
Speaker 2: that's what Grandma's do. It's like, well, no, she's she
Speaker 2: grew up in the woods.
Speaker 3: That's why you do that, you know, saying it out.
Speaker 2: So April, I would love to hear how you came
Speaker 2: across the story and what made you feel like, man,
Speaker 2: we really got to do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I had done some reporting on role issues
Speaker 1: at my previous job and then tried to continue doing
Speaker 1: that in my current job because I feel like, at
Speaker 1: least with racial equity reporting, it is often focused more
Speaker 1: on like urban spaces and we don't really think about
Speaker 1: like black rural communities. But I had learned a bit
Speaker 1: about USDA discrimination just with talking with like older black farmers,
Speaker 1: and then also learning about some of the things that
Speaker 1: happened during the Trump administration. I think Nate kind of
Speaker 1: pointed to it. There was a program, the Market Facilitation
Speaker 1: Program that was during the trade war with China, and
Speaker 1: basically black farmers were pretty much left out of those
Speaker 1: payments that were supposed to help level the playing field.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so I learned about that, and I learned
Speaker 1: about Pickford, which was a big class action lawsuits and
Speaker 1: settlement that was successful for black farmers against the USDA.
Speaker 1: And that's a whole other, whole other history. But it
Speaker 1: was all of that that made me want to do
Speaker 1: this story. And also knowing what the Biden administration is
Speaker 1: trying to do for or has tried to do for
Speaker 1: farmers of color, but black farmers in particular, and how
Speaker 1: you know Nate mentioned that too, how it hasn't quite
Speaker 1: worked out. It seemed like, you know, it's a timely,
Speaker 1: it's a good time to tell this story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what were some of the like as you went
Speaker 2: out into the field. What was some of the like
Speaker 2: surprises if you can think of, like, I don't know
Speaker 2: two of them, two things where you were just like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is news to me, not.
Speaker 1: News, but maybe just different for me, you know. I
Speaker 1: I mean I grew up in mostly grew up in
Speaker 1: like a rural place but not connected to agriculture, and
Speaker 1: you know, mates from Bowley and Bowlie is one of
Speaker 1: the historic black towns in Oklahoma. So I had read
Speaker 1: about Bowley, but I'd never been to a town like that.
Speaker 1: And I got to go during rodeo weekend, which was
Speaker 1: which was cool.
Speaker 4: Right, I've never been to a rodeo.
Speaker 1: I've never been to a black rodeo, And I mean
Speaker 1: it just felt like the whole weekend was like a
Speaker 1: big black family reunion. You know, everybody's everybody's out, everybody's
Speaker 1: like having a good time, you know, reconnecting, cooking like
Speaker 1: it was. It was really cool and just learning Like
Speaker 1: Oklahoma to me feels like where the West meets the South.
Speaker 3: In a way that's exactly it.
Speaker 1: Yes, And I mean the rodeo was definitely that, like
Speaker 1: it felt very country but also very western too.
Speaker 3: That's a that's amazing. I I mean, I can't stress
Speaker 3: this enough to where the like.
Speaker 2: The obviousness of like, of course, this is a growing,
Speaker 2: thriving community that honestly all of us came from, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like, and that's that's the part
Speaker 2: that like it's just such a such a light bulb
Speaker 2: for me because I remember one time, like out here,
Speaker 2: I think I was a high school whatever and a
Speaker 2: friend of mine had his cousin come visit, you know,
Speaker 2: so who's summertime whatever hanging out right? And he was like, hey,
Speaker 2: my summer is my cousin's like a junior rodeo champion.
Speaker 3: And I was like, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: What it was like, Yeah, he's like he won the
Speaker 2: like you know, juniors like rodeo. And I was like, wait,
Speaker 2: like you got to start over, Like I was like,
Speaker 2: what are you what are you talking about? And then
Speaker 2: he tried to explain, like, yeah, nah, there's there's black
Speaker 2: rodeos like I do the roping, like I'm I was
Speaker 2: like and and and again it was again a moment
Speaker 2: of like duh, of course there is you know, and
Speaker 2: just but the fact that I never thought about it.
Speaker 2: I feel like it's something that like the city really
Speaker 2: can appreciate. Have a I have a lot of friends
Speaker 2: in ok See who really involved in like just business,
Speaker 2: gang intervention stuff like that.
Speaker 3: They work really like the East side.
Speaker 2: Of Oklahoma City, like doing a lot of like really
Speaker 2: cool projects out there.
Speaker 3: And yeah, that.
Speaker 2: That that that east or now that that South meets
Speaker 2: the West motif, Like really it really resonates with my
Speaker 2: with my experience too, you know. And and even even
Speaker 2: like even in the urban centers, that's like you know,
Speaker 2: you you know, you we were outside. It's it's a
Speaker 2: horse riding next to like, you know, Impala on twenty
Speaker 2: two's you know, you know what I'm saying, and you know,
Speaker 2: and it's just like look we just this what we do?
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, and like that sort of
Speaker 2: like thing. And even even in Compton like that they're
Speaker 2: you know, we got Compton cowboys because Compton used to
Speaker 2: be a farm in town, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So like a lot of black people who were out
Speaker 2: there had had small farms, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: and like and they you know, they wear cowboy boots
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. But just just realizing that, like God,
Speaker 2: this is actually our roots. And I feel like me
Speaker 2: never being in like like.
Speaker 3: I was never in it.
Speaker 2: I never I never lived in a gym Crow State.
Speaker 2: I never you know what I'm saying, I've never So
Speaker 2: because of that, I don't I don't have like the
Speaker 2: same type of long sort of history of monuments of
Speaker 2: experiences that are specifically about our black resilience because I didn't.
Speaker 3: I didn't have to go through that, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So like when I went to go I say all
Speaker 2: that to say, when I went to go visit my
Speaker 2: friend at Okay See, he was like, yeah, this We're
Speaker 2: at the cigar Lounge and He's like, yeah, this was
Speaker 2: one of the places where you know, we used to
Speaker 2: meet when we were organizing for this. You know, this
Speaker 2: was the first black home. You know this, you know
Speaker 2: when doctor King came, He's right here, blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: Like we just we just don't have a lot of
Speaker 2: that in California because it's just wasn't a Jim Crow State.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So I feel like hearing your story and and like
Speaker 2: you said, like what you experienced, I feel like I
Speaker 2: wish all city folks would have a chance to come
Speaker 2: experience that, because it's like it's a it's a piece
Speaker 2: of your history that you may not even know you
Speaker 2: miss it, you know what I mean. And uh, and
Speaker 2: so that's that's Beaudle. I feel like I would have
Speaker 2: had the same kind of like, oh my gosh, this
Speaker 2: is way more familiar than I expected it to be,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's why I think it's so important that
Speaker 5: we try to continue. You know, we fights hard as
Speaker 5: we can to continue to stay in this business. I mean,
Speaker 5: we got to look at when you look at agriculture business,
Speaker 5: ranching business, how it's now become uh, every like everything
Speaker 5: else corporately ran Right.
Speaker 4: So it's if you ain't big, you going home right now. Right.
Speaker 4: It's hard to be a small guy in this because
Speaker 4: you've got to have buying power. You got to have.
Speaker 5: Equity you don't have, you know, I sit on all
Speaker 5: this equity and buying power that you know, Ranch has
Speaker 5: been just been getting the handouts for decades.
Speaker 4: So uh, this this time and we in right now it's.
Speaker 5: Really critical, uh a phase that we try to you know,
Speaker 5: trying to page and trying to get you know, find innovative,
Speaker 5: creative ways stay in business.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 5: When we get one thing, I do like, you know,
Speaker 5: I'm part of a deal where we we actually reach
Speaker 5: out to some.
Speaker 4: Of my backgro a little bit more about my background.
Speaker 5: We took in some students mentored them from hbc you
Speaker 5: here in the state of Oklahoma Lands University. A lot
Speaker 5: of our HBCU universities are has agriculture heavily agricultural background, right,
Speaker 5: but that's probably the most starving area, and all of them.
Speaker 4: The HPC used because there are.
Speaker 5: A lack of knowledge teachers from our culture in there. Right,
Speaker 5: So we've seen that. We started bringing teaching students you know,
Speaker 5: what's a booll, what's a head for? You know, cal
Speaker 5: just in dealing with the injection of medications and stuff
Speaker 5: like that to the animals to try to you know,
Speaker 5: educate them because we wereize, hey, they need to be
Speaker 5: in the workforce, they need to know stuff. Ain't but
Speaker 5: a few of us I heard, right, less than half
Speaker 5: a percent of us in agriculture out of you know,
Speaker 5: out the whole world. That's that's pretty bad, right, And
Speaker 5: and all of them ain't making no money. This industry
Speaker 5: is no more than if you're doing really good, if
Speaker 5: you're doing fifteen percent returns.
Speaker 4: On your investment in this business.
Speaker 3: I'm not.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm still working a job and I'm trying
Speaker 5: to get to or I can at least get to
Speaker 5: that part. And right now, when inflation come in, they
Speaker 5: you know a lot of my stuff, I deal with
Speaker 5: thirty percent and more inflation. So we experienced another setback,
Speaker 5: and we had an opportunity to maybe to get ahead
Speaker 5: or ain't gonna get ahead, but to be in the game.
Speaker 5: We lost out due the USDA government not wanting us
Speaker 5: to assist US black forms and ranchers.
Speaker 2: So it sounds like even in just the verbiage you
Speaker 2: was using that like like you are despite the business,
Speaker 2: you're a businessman like and the things that you've had
Speaker 2: to just talk about inflation, you know, your rois, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying and all those things. So it's
Speaker 2: like it's it's interesting to me to hear that, Like, look, man,
Speaker 2: I don't care what the field is. Business is business,
Speaker 2: and you have to know what you're talking about you know,
Speaker 2: and I'm curious about two things. The first one is
Speaker 2: a little more a little more in depth, and then
Speaker 2: the second ones just would be kind of fun. I
Speaker 2: think the first thing would be, like, can you think
Speaker 2: of any sort of moments where you were in a
Speaker 2: situation where maybe the type of interactions that you were
Speaker 2: having led you to believe that the people or persons
Speaker 2: or the institution you were sitting across the table from
Speaker 2: thought you didn't know what you were talking about, right,
Speaker 2: and uh, but you knew you knew what you was
Speaker 2: talking about. You know what I'm saying, And maybe you
Speaker 2: know obviously I'm leading into us towards what we do,
Speaker 2: which is like using what you already know to help
Speaker 2: you understand what you think you don't know you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So, which is like you know, like
Speaker 2: you said, you grew up agriculture. You know you're doing this,
Speaker 2: but it's like, fam, I got I have another job.
Speaker 2: Both my both my kids, both my sons are in college.
Speaker 2: Like I know what I'm talking about, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, So like can you can you can you
Speaker 2: can you recall any of those moments? You know, even
Speaker 2: if they're paying if they're paying points, don't worry about it.
Speaker 2: But like if it's like you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: if you could grow up, we'll call moments where you
Speaker 2: had to use the knowledge that you've acquired here, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So, and I'm just really back ten ten years
Speaker 5: maybe fifteen years ago.
Speaker 4: In my in the beginning, I went just and were
Speaker 4: talking about getting money here. So my wife.
Speaker 5: They had some land that we wanted to inquire. It's
Speaker 5: forty acres, and I went to the bank and she
Speaker 5: shared that properly with us, with us, with the siblings.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 5: So I go to the bank and say, hey, I
Speaker 5: want to buy this forty acres and mine is for
Speaker 5: the extras for twelve thousand dollars.
Speaker 4: Man, all right, well yeah yeah, real talk, real talk.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. Okay, all right, okay, go ahead.
Speaker 5: So I'm here trying to convince a banker that's been
Speaker 5: been loaning me money to buy cutlass.
Speaker 4: Is right.
Speaker 5: I'm walking at the dealership, I'm buying trade ins, I'm
Speaker 5: flipping cars, but I'm buying them for you know, five
Speaker 5: eight hundred.
Speaker 4: Dollars, twelve hundred dollars.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I'm still wrenching, right, I'm still trying to dig,
Speaker 5: trying to get into that field.
Speaker 4: But he denies me and.
Speaker 5: Tells me that he felt like I had too much,
Speaker 5: you know, on my plate pretty much. He didn't have
Speaker 5: the confidence in me. Man, Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: But look at me now. I'm still in the game.
Speaker 5: But it's it's that's that's what.
Speaker 4: You're dealing with, you when you get stereotyped. I heard
Speaker 4: people think that you don't know, you know what you're doing,
Speaker 4: what you're talking about, But it's just.
Speaker 5: It is so far from the truth, man. And you
Speaker 5: know what we like in is opportunity. Give me, give
Speaker 5: me the ball, you to give what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Yes, I'll show you what to do with it.
Speaker 5: And that's one in agriculture, we hadn't had the opportunity.
Speaker 5: We don't got so far down the road now, you
Speaker 5: know that. It's it's just sometimes it feels like it's impossible,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 4: But I'm not gonna give up. I'm gonna keep doing
Speaker 4: what I do.
Speaker 5: And I got a family of loves and supports me
Speaker 5: on all measures, and God's with me, So who's gonna
Speaker 5: be against me?
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Bruh.
Speaker 2: I mean when I tell you, like when I had to,
Speaker 2: I've lived a few lives. When I used to teach
Speaker 2: high school. Before I could teach high school in California,
Speaker 2: you had to like pass this the credentially, you know whatever.
Speaker 2: I taught social science and one of the one of
Speaker 2: the one of the state tests was on economics and
Speaker 2: I failed that much three times.
Speaker 3: And it wasn't because I didn't know what I was
Speaker 3: talking about.
Speaker 2: I just didn't know how to tell you that, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, like, because to me, I was like,
Speaker 2: it's pretty simple. You know, you don't spend money you
Speaker 2: ain't got Like that's that's easy. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Like you know, like you know or like, well, if
Speaker 2: I'm gonna borrow this, I know it costs, it costs,
Speaker 2: it costs money. You have to you're selling me alone,
Speaker 2: so I know, well, how much does your loan cost?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 1: This?
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And I'm thinking, if I'm walking in in.
Speaker 3: My head, its logical to me the same thing you said.
Speaker 2: I'm walking into this bank and I'm like, bro, you
Speaker 2: see everything I got going against me, and I'm still okay, like,
Speaker 2: don't you think I got the hustle to I done
Speaker 2: figured it out already, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 2: to get to that point. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Like despite like I ain't got no help. You know,
Speaker 2: everybody else come here, got help. I'm still okay, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like I still got to hoop
Speaker 2: over my head. Don't you think that I I'm gonna
Speaker 2: figure out how to pay you back? Like come on, fab,
Speaker 2: you know that's whatd have made sense to me, you know,
Speaker 2: but like you said, it's just like like if you
Speaker 2: just give me the ball, like if we like clearly
Speaker 2: we've been surviving this loan, so like don't you think
Speaker 2: you think what else do I need to prove to you?
Speaker 4: You know? Yeah?
Speaker 5: It was you deal though, because my wife had a
Speaker 5: part of it, so he only needed to lend me
Speaker 5: eighty percent of the money, right, so he should have
Speaker 5: been covered with equity. And it's like, dang, the worst
Speaker 5: thing happened, you donna have to use don't take it,
Speaker 5: but I know that wasn't gonna happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you it's and it's crazy to me because
Speaker 2: it's like it sounded like to me, like you would
Speaker 2: have to tell him that where You're like, well, bro,
Speaker 2: I mean she already owned part of the land. Like
Speaker 2: why do I need to tell you this? Like you're
Speaker 2: the you're the bank. Why do I got to tell you?
Speaker 3: Yeah? So then okay, So then my last question, well,
Speaker 3: my last question to you, Nate, and then I got
Speaker 3: one more questions for April.
Speaker 2: My last question for you, Nat is like, okay, city boy,
Speaker 2: you know we land out at HBC. You know land
Speaker 2: at HBCU see the Agriculture Department, And I'm probably like skip,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like, make a case for me,
Speaker 2: make a case for city boys, black city boys to
Speaker 2: be like, yo, this is part of the culture. This
Speaker 2: is part of the revolution. May I interest you in
Speaker 2: a life of ranching? Like make a case for us.
Speaker 5: You know, agriculture is one when you look at the
Speaker 5: base of it, you're gonna you're gonna better provide food
Speaker 5: and water and resources.
Speaker 4: Everything you're dealing with and walking around and you look
Speaker 4: in the city is dealing with ad.
Speaker 5: So we didn't you know you can buy property out
Speaker 5: here and get royalties for water or damn. It's just
Speaker 5: and it's been a basis for in my opinion, for
Speaker 5: people who want to have money or got money to
Speaker 5: own the kind of real estate that's out here. Nobody's
Speaker 5: making no more land. It ain't no more it's on
Speaker 5: so much of it. And you know, I encourage you
Speaker 5: to invest and buy you some land.
Speaker 4: Apartments and stuff and homes.
Speaker 5: Are good, but typically in about twenty five years they'd
Speaker 5: depreciate and they go the other way. But when you
Speaker 5: talk about you buy good land, it don't do nothing
Speaker 5: but go up. People have been hiding money in land
Speaker 5: for decades. That's that's that's what they do. I least
Speaker 5: land out here from people in California that they been
Speaker 5: having in their family. And if and if oil gets
Speaker 5: struck on that deal, they just don't get a check.
Speaker 4: But that's kind of money that can be out here
Speaker 4: if you're able to buy land.
Speaker 5: Unfortunately, what's happening on our ends, you know, is that
Speaker 5: we can't afford to purchase this land anymore because it's
Speaker 5: not got that expensive. But if you're living in the city,
Speaker 5: and especially for the young men out that want to
Speaker 5: become men, you know, I put I put.
Speaker 4: My boys up against a lot of you city boys.
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna be just.
Speaker 3: Straight up you right now.
Speaker 4: I'm just telling how it is. I used to.
Speaker 5: I'm from the country people that we went to the
Speaker 5: city and when we threw them things, let me tell you,
Speaker 5: when they.
Speaker 4: Was connecting, they felt that pressure. I'm just telling you,
Speaker 4: so when you want a man up, this is a
Speaker 4: good way to make them.
Speaker 5: Men come in and then women. A good woman can
Speaker 5: appreciate a good man. I'm just telling you.
Speaker 3: Hey, they out here, listen. I tell you what, y'all
Speaker 3: are different kind of strong.
Speaker 4: That's real.
Speaker 2: That's a different kind of strong because, like I mean it,
Speaker 2: don't get me wrong, Like you know, my daddy and them,
Speaker 2: my family, like they had a Like I said, I
Speaker 2: grew up in a Latino community. So like you don't
Speaker 2: even think about the Mexican men like you work. I'm
Speaker 2: saying they had me working, you feel me. But when
Speaker 2: it comes to that like that endurance, I'm like, oh, nah, bro,
Speaker 2: like I need to hit the porch. He like, brus Bro,
Speaker 2: it's a coffee break, bro, Like what you're talking about.
Speaker 3: Man, we're not even done yet. And I'm like, maam,
Speaker 3: I'm done.
Speaker 4: You know. Yeah.
Speaker 5: The community is good, man, I mean, the lifestyle is
Speaker 5: just I mean, it's just actually, you know, everybody take
Speaker 5: care of one another. You know, in this business, we
Speaker 5: lost our attractor, piece of equipment, and man, you know,
Speaker 5: some brothers came together, we hooked up and they helped
Speaker 5: me out and stuff. So yeah, and that's you know,
Speaker 5: that's one thing I just think about being out here,
Speaker 5: just being able to have those resources and you know,
Speaker 5: good people and you know what I'm saying, take care
Speaker 5: of one another.
Speaker 3: That's beautiful.
Speaker 2: Definitely like something happened to me recently, you know, in
Speaker 2: just stage of life whatever it is, where it was
Speaker 2: just like I mean, I my whole life. Man, I
Speaker 2: hate camping. I don't like I don't like outside. I
Speaker 2: don't like cold, I don't like hot.
Speaker 3: Yo said, like like none of it.
Speaker 2: But like recently, like you know, you get a little older,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, and like and you know,
Speaker 2: friends who kind of figured it out, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying that like they got a little you know,
Speaker 2: little cabins out in Wyoming and this and this, like Yo,
Speaker 2: come out you know now we fishing with them and
Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, this.
Speaker 3: Is it's a lot of funner than I thought it
Speaker 3: would be.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, and just being like, hey,
Speaker 2: so tell them about that horse, you know what I'm saying, Like, hey,
Speaker 2: so what do you gotta do? You know what I mean,
Speaker 2: and just like getting a little more curious about it
Speaker 2: and the idea of like, yeah, like that's kind of nice.
Speaker 2: It's kind of nice, like you no knowing your neighbors
Speaker 2: and being like no, not about like no, no guns
Speaker 2: pointed at you.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like, you.
Speaker 2: Know, that's kind of nice, you know, so, so yeah, man,
Speaker 2: I think that's man. I appreciate that. Man, thank you
Speaker 2: so much. And in April, like so, I'm not sure
Speaker 2: if the season will be out by the time this drops,
Speaker 2: but like, if you were to give me like three
Speaker 2: takeaways that you would hope inner city kids like myself
Speaker 2: and it's sort of the people we talked to that
Speaker 2: they will received from from from this season. What would
Speaker 2: those three things be?
Speaker 1: Three takeaways for city folks. That's a good question. I
Speaker 1: think I hadn't thought about it in that in that
Speaker 1: kind of context. Maybe I guess if the opportunity presents
Speaker 1: itself to try to get out in the country, right,
Speaker 1: like if you have relatives, if you just have some
Speaker 1: kind of connection, you can get out on the land
Speaker 1: with folks, like do some work. Try to just try
Speaker 1: to do that because it'll it'll open up your eyes.
Speaker 1: It's opened up my eyes every time I've had the
Speaker 1: opportunity to do that. And I feel like we're always
Speaker 1: a little we can be a little disconnected right from
Speaker 1: that life from folks who are living that life, and
Speaker 1: it's always important to build build stronger connections and just
Speaker 1: to try to learn more about it.
Speaker 4: That's all.
Speaker 1: If you can't make if you can't physically go there,
Speaker 1: then you know, if you can on your own time,
Speaker 1: just try to learn more.
Speaker 2: What are ways that we can help, like lobby advocate,
Speaker 2: you know, for just a particular cause that we're talking now,
Speaker 2: as far as like the USDA and things like that.
Speaker 3: What are ways we can help?
Speaker 1: I think education. I think education is one just learning
Speaker 1: more about the history of black farmers in the US.
Speaker 1: There's a book by Daniel called This Possession that focuses
Speaker 1: more on like civil rights history and black farmers and USDA.
Speaker 4: But that's really good.
Speaker 1: The Environmental Working Group has a page that has like
Speaker 1: documents that are important to understanding the history around black
Speaker 1: farmers and USDA. So I mean those are like, you know,
Speaker 1: primary source documents, but they're still it's nice to just
Speaker 1: go in there and see. Yeah, those would be some
Speaker 1: places I would start. Do you mind if I just
Speaker 1: add some context to something they said earlier?
Speaker 3: Yeah, go for it, not go ahead? Okay?
Speaker 1: With the debt relief program that we were talking about,
Speaker 1: it it was a four billion dollar program. It was
Speaker 1: in the American Rescue Plan Act, which was like a
Speaker 1: big COVID relief bill, right, yeah, And it was an
Speaker 1: attempt to try to do something for farmers of color,
Speaker 1: and a lot of that organizing came from initially came
Speaker 1: from black farmers. You could eat and say, like the
Speaker 1: origins of that are in the Justice for Black Farmers Bill, Okay,
Speaker 1: But then lawsuits started popping up across the country from
Speaker 1: white farmers who said it was discriminating against them, and
Speaker 1: a federal jug Jim Florida, blocked implementation of that, so
Speaker 1: USDA could not do anything about that, right, Their hands
Speaker 1: were tied. They couldn't move forward on that. And then
Speaker 1: it was because of that they ended up sort of
Speaker 1: changing things and in another big bill called the Inflation
Speaker 1: Reduction Act, there was a new color blind program that
Speaker 1: is essentially a form of deck relief. So I just
Speaker 1: think that's important to understand it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that helps, like to just really understand what was happening,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, and not thank you for
Speaker 2: that's that's good.
Speaker 3: And then another like really foolish question to end on
Speaker 3: is like.
Speaker 2: Is there ways if I walk into a store or
Speaker 2: to know that this beef came from a black farm
Speaker 2: so I can buy that one certain ways to know that.
Speaker 1: I would think I might have to defer to on this.
Speaker 1: I would think just look, you look at the label
Speaker 1: and if you know who those folks are, that might
Speaker 1: be the only way to know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's there's no.
Speaker 5: When I say that, that requires what we talked about
Speaker 5: early infrastructure. So we have no you know, we ain't
Speaker 5: got no cotton gen right, we picked ahead of Cotton Jean's.
Speaker 5: We ain't got no meat packing processing. We we we
Speaker 5: just in this business right now currently whatever the market
Speaker 5: is doing that day, that's what we're doing, right and
Speaker 5: that's what all me and my family been trying to
Speaker 5: get away from. We've been selling our own beef off
Speaker 5: the ranch g Lin Ranch dot com.
Speaker 4: Check it out and we you know it's but we
Speaker 4: haven't been able to take off. I mean we have to.
Speaker 5: We wanted to do our own processing, and unfortunately we
Speaker 5: had had you know, didn't have the money and resources
Speaker 5: to do that. Uh They've been millions or billions dollars
Speaker 5: in grants in the USDA had but unfortunately, I have
Speaker 5: not heard of one black producer had you know, got
Speaker 5: any new infrastructure. So that's what we're behind on, is infrastructure.
Speaker 5: Infrastructure takes a lot of times. You already got to
Speaker 5: be in business to to get the next McDonald's, right,
Speaker 5: so you know, you just don't a lot of times
Speaker 5: to just come out of nowhere unless somebody.
Speaker 4: Hit the lottery.
Speaker 5: So everything I got is from the ground up, and
Speaker 5: we're just able to do that and just not going
Speaker 5: to currently you know, be able to do it and
Speaker 5: compete with free people who getting free money.
Speaker 2: So you like the you're like the indie artists of agriculture.
Speaker 2: Got it. It's probably better product, but you ain't got
Speaker 2: no distro. Okay, So we gotta we gotta we gotta
Speaker 2: go go get it, get go, get it out of
Speaker 2: your trunk.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean I understand now yeah, yeah, yeah, I gotta
Speaker 3: go to band camp, not Spotify, got it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, straight up?
Speaker 5: I mean you know, it's just because there's a lot
Speaker 5: of stipulations to get to.
Speaker 3: That form, right yeah.
Speaker 2: Nah. As you was talking, it was kind of like
Speaker 2: all kind of making sense to me, like just even
Speaker 2: the I mean again, because it's it's the same like
Speaker 2: when you know, you tell people you do music, it's like,
Speaker 2: oh have I have I heard you on the radio,
Speaker 2: and you're like, well, uh well probably not. You know, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, so you really do music. It's like, well, okay,
Speaker 2: so this is this thing called the strip distribution, and
Speaker 2: then you know, say, you gotta walk through this whole
Speaker 2: thing to be like, man, maybe at twelve o'clock on
Speaker 2: Saturday night, you know, on Sunday morning at one in
Speaker 2: the morning, and you know, toad Suck Arkansas, this DJ
Speaker 2: decided to play this song.
Speaker 3: You say, like, yeah, you know, that's.
Speaker 5: Exactly how it is for us, and you know, you
Speaker 5: just everybody looking at you.
Speaker 4: You the new guy. Right.
Speaker 5: So I'm black. I walk into and today business it's like,
Speaker 5: well who is you?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 5: You know, well, you know I've got cattle her for
Speaker 5: sale today. Yeah, I'm heard of. You know, I'm heard of.
Speaker 5: You know, I'm just saying that just how it is.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna show you the work, like you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like look at the work, like the work
Speaker 2: is right, Like I would understand what else you need?
Speaker 3: The work is right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, we just got a long way to go. Man.
Speaker 5: We just need you know, my opinion needs people to
Speaker 5: try to find ways to support and and then you.
Speaker 4: Know, try to.
Speaker 5: Try to make a word into everybody and the situation
Speaker 5: that we're facing that her you know, we don't you know,
Speaker 5: we're looking at being in extinct in this bitch. We
Speaker 5: don't have to be that way. It's three hundred and
Speaker 5: fifty million people in the United States right were less
Speaker 5: than a half a percent of all foods being That's
Speaker 5: a lot of eating.
Speaker 4: Going on every day. And how can we just be
Speaker 4: you know, not making nothing.
Speaker 5: And I know our people, so my my, my next
Speaker 5: phase is to try to connect with you know, our
Speaker 5: people and try to raise up products, good beef and
Speaker 5: trade with people that want to trade and do business
Speaker 5: for me and help me get off the ground.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.
Speaker 5: I'm working for a good cause and you know, just
Speaker 5: suppose to support man, somebody just want to support us. Yeah,
Speaker 5: but you know, if we want at a little bit
Speaker 5: more about us, go on TikTok.
Speaker 4: G Lion Ranch, Yeah, g Lion Ranch. Check that out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, send me all that. We've put all that in
Speaker 2: the show notes, all that. Blast this thing out. Well,
Speaker 2: thank you, thank you, thank you, Thank you so much
Speaker 2: for your time for being a part of this.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Uh, you're gonna told us the g Line Ranch And
Speaker 2: what's the name of the pot again, so we could
Speaker 2: let everybody know.
Speaker 1: It's called the Heist and it's by the Center for
Speaker 1: Public Integrity, Center for Public Integrity.
Speaker 3: You you like working there? Yeah, of course. Well I
Speaker 3: don't know the little racist just no, that's dope. Well,
Speaker 3: thank you again, y'all. Man, I super appreciate y'all time.
Speaker 2: Manciating, yeah, man, we're gonna we're gonna blast this out.
Speaker 3: We're gonna get you, right, y'all, y'all need to eat
Speaker 3: black people meat.
Speaker 4: Listen, come see me Cali all right.
Speaker 3: We will go see you man, all right.
Speaker 5: M yo yo.
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Speaker 2: get this thing pushed up in the algorithm and listen.
Speaker 2: I just want to remind you these people is not
Speaker 2: smarter than you. If you understand city living, you understand politics,
Speaker 2: We'll see you next week.