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Speaker 2: Get closer, get closer.
Speaker 7: Yeah, quality quality do we have a lot of those
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I had him from Christmas. I forgot that there.
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Speaker 2: He sounds good.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right. Damn, it sounds like a slogan, ready
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Speaker 6: Let's do it.
Speaker 3: We got to be back. You guys had a great
Speaker 3: show last week. Missed you guys. I was out mobile
Speaker 3: with the Senior Bowl. Had a lot of fun out
Speaker 3: there and got to see uh put eyes to prospects,
Speaker 3: get to really get to know a lot of those
Speaker 3: guys as well, which was cool.
Speaker 6: That's awesome, man.
Speaker 2: We'll dive into the draft bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they ended up being really cool that. I mean,
Speaker 3: some of those interviews were just incredible. And that's not
Speaker 3: on our side. It's on the prospects side. Some of
Speaker 3: the stories and some of the things that you get
Speaker 3: to learn, and that's part of the draft process that
Speaker 3: I like. Because everybody's got the film at this point
Speaker 3: with YouTube and the streaming services that everybody has, like
Speaker 3: you've got some type of film, whether it's All twenty
Speaker 3: two or TV copy, so everybody can kind of evaluate players.
Speaker 3: But that's something that I guess our access within the
Speaker 3: building and within the organization is different. We get to
Speaker 3: kind of get to know these guys a little.
Speaker 6: Bit to evaluate the character as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's what these teams place a lot of
Speaker 3: stock into as well, So.
Speaker 2: We'll talk about that a little bit later.
Speaker 8: I really enjoy listening to the Draft show whenever you're
Speaker 8: interviewing these guys and like it starts off as a
Speaker 8: very like kind of casual like getting to know you,
Speaker 8: sort of.
Speaker 2: Like what's the week been like right right, the early questions, But.
Speaker 8: Once they start to open up and have fun and
Speaker 8: like that's really the best part of those shows is
Speaker 8: whenever they're actually like joking around and like, Okay, this
Speaker 8: is a chill. Because I'm sure they're on alert at
Speaker 8: all times during the draft process, during the scouting process
Speaker 8: that they're like, okay, well I have to kind of
Speaker 8: be buttoned up here. But once they start talking to Kyle,
Speaker 8: they're like.
Speaker 6: Okay, that's fine. Yeah, they always let's chill out a
Speaker 6: little bit. They a comfort uh interview.
Speaker 3: Here, Oh thank you, I appreciate it. The first thing
Speaker 3: I tell him is like, Hey, we're just going to
Speaker 3: have a conversation. That's all it is.
Speaker 2: This isn't an interview, this isn't a job interview. Let's
Speaker 2: have a conversation. And I think Nick Harris does a
Speaker 2: really good job at that too.
Speaker 3: Of he knows a lot of those guys too, like
Speaker 3: he's either covered them before or watched them in certain
Speaker 3: situations before. So he always does a nice job of
Speaker 3: kind of opening up with those guys and getting them
Speaker 3: to kind of go deep into their past too.
Speaker 2: Because I mean, out of the guys.
Speaker 3: That we interviewed probably eight or nine prospects for the
Speaker 3: Draft show last week, and I think six of the
Speaker 3: eight or nine were all Texas guys.
Speaker 2: Wow, it's like there's a lot of talent around here.
Speaker 3: We've gotten the chance to see them grow up a
Speaker 3: little bit as well. So and Texas is the most
Speaker 3: represented state.
Speaker 2: In the Super Bowl as well.
Speaker 6: Shocker, all right, it's not shocker.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean quality football gets played in Texas.
Speaker 6: I will say that it's the law objective. Yeah, objectively speaking.
Speaker 7: I mean, this is objective, This is no this is
Speaker 7: just fun southern rivalry, right, So we're not here for that.
Speaker 6: California football talking.
Speaker 7: Okay, although California does have a good football program as
Speaker 7: far as bringing kids up through the rings.
Speaker 6: But when you're talking about a good old.
Speaker 7: Fashioned Southern football, it's Georgia, is it's Texas, you know,
Speaker 7: it's Florida, Florida, absolutely, Florida, especially South Florida. Yeah, what
Speaker 7: about Princeton, So yeah, Florida, Georgia, Texas. Those are your
Speaker 7: your good farm states as far as like where you
Speaker 7: start the kids out young and bring them up through
Speaker 7: the programs, you know, and a lot of times that's
Speaker 7: why you have so many quality Texas football kids that
Speaker 7: go to young men, turn a young men, turn to
Speaker 7: grow men, and you know they they be come all Americans,
Speaker 7: and you know they find their way into the league
Speaker 7: in the same food. You know, Georgia talent, same for
Speaker 7: Florida talent. So just thankful that that talent that grows
Speaker 7: up in Florida departs Florida, he goes to Georgia, he
Speaker 7: goes to George.
Speaker 3: I did have fun one of the guys that I
Speaker 3: wouldn't mind Dallas at least exploring in the first round.
Speaker 2: Come on out of the Uga, Come on Bulldogs. Dylan
Speaker 2: Everett talked to him last week. He was great. He
Speaker 2: was He was great on and off the camera. He
Speaker 2: was really cool.
Speaker 3: And we chatted for maybe two minutes before the interview,
Speaker 3: and then we knocked out the interview, and then he
Speaker 3: stayed and chatted like another two and a half.
Speaker 2: Three minutes after the interview with football.
Speaker 6: He didn't have to do football like you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very smart kid.
Speaker 7: He would do will And did you get a chance
Speaker 7: to even if a sodebar with CJ wasj there?
Speaker 6: No, wasn't there.
Speaker 3: Okay, but a couple of guys to keep an eye on.
Speaker 3: And we may get to see him at the Combine
Speaker 3: here in.
Speaker 2: A couple of weeks.
Speaker 6: Yeah, will, because we will be there.
Speaker 2: Darn right.
Speaker 6: We did book our travel, baby, let's go in the books.
Speaker 6: Let's be an Indy, Let's go a swell time.
Speaker 2: I can't wait.
Speaker 6: Stay right back here.
Speaker 7: You and T football, Georgia football. We're coming to Indy
Speaker 7: for the combine.
Speaker 2: Why you and T football?
Speaker 7: Why we try to segue because we were talking Texas football,
Speaker 7: Georgia football.
Speaker 6: So I specified the university.
Speaker 2: You know, we'll keep going.
Speaker 6: Let's get give you an opportunity to get to you didn't.
Speaker 7: So quite a bit of news and notes. Most of
Speaker 7: it is kind of a recap, so let's just lead
Speaker 7: with let's just shrink it to the most important, which
Speaker 7: is who is on board. We touched based on this
Speaker 7: last week, but definitely reconfirming that Ryan Smith is in
Speaker 7: the building. He is officially hired pen to paper as
Speaker 7: the Cowboys new defensive back sat slash secondary coach, so
Speaker 7: he's in there. Keep in mind he's coming from Arizona
Speaker 7: as their former pass game coordinator and their cornerbacks coach.
Speaker 7: So good get for Christian Parker and Man, I gotta
Speaker 7: say Christian Parker is off to the races.
Speaker 6: He's not wasted any time, not at all.
Speaker 7: But also in not wasting any time, he's also being
Speaker 7: exceptionally thorough. We credited Brian Schottenheimer for being thorough in
Speaker 7: the candidacy interviews interviews for defensive coordinator nine candidates Man
Speaker 7: Christian Parker, He's his net is even wider. Yeah, arguably so.
Speaker 7: In addition to Ryan Smith, Derek Ansley, former Packers past
Speaker 7: game coordinator, he is now pen to paper. He is
Speaker 7: officially in the building, his contract is officially signed.
Speaker 6: Waiting to confirm this. But per Tard Archer, which.
Speaker 7: Is a damn good credible source for information, arguably yes, yeah,
Speaker 7: so I'm waiting for God's like, Wait, the joke is you.
Speaker 8: Can argue anything, you know what I mean, Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 8: are from Dallas and it's likesco.
Speaker 7: Arguably yes, yeah, shout out the Archer.
Speaker 6: You could argue anything. You could. Doesn't mean you need to,
Speaker 6: but you could. Yeah.
Speaker 7: So I'm waiting to make this get this officially confirmed
Speaker 7: from upstairs. But we came right into the podcast, So
Speaker 7: follow Twitter voice at the Star. We'll get you that
Speaker 7: information and the tracker. You should have the tracker bookmark
Speaker 7: Gallascowboys dot com.
Speaker 6: You should have the tracker bookmark.
Speaker 7: All things is being updated daily, so as soon as
Speaker 7: I get that made official for Ansley, that will be
Speaker 7: updated as well. But we also have that the Cowboys
Speaker 7: have agreed to terms with Marcus Dixon, who who they
Speaker 7: interviewed a couple of times, one virtually one in person
Speaker 7: over the past weekend. Marcus Dixon is not only in
Speaker 7: the building, he is officially not leaving the building because
Speaker 7: now he has work to do. Former Vikings defensive line
Speaker 7: coach under one and Brian Floydes I like and we
Speaker 7: love some Brian Flores. So Marcus Dixon is definitely in
Speaker 7: the building as well. And needless to say, he knows
Speaker 7: how to coach some football. He played football. He was
Speaker 7: a former assistant defensive line coach for the Rams, defensive
Speaker 7: line coach for the Broncos before joining Brian Floores as
Speaker 7: defensive line coach for the Vikings. That is another big
Speaker 7: get for the Cowboys, and we're waiting to see which
Speaker 7: of these other guys are going to potentially land deals
Speaker 7: obviously pending right now. Run now Williams Eagles assistant linebackers coach.
Speaker 7: Who else we got? We got Robert Livingston, Colorado defensive coordinator.
Speaker 7: And we got a new entrant into the contest for
Speaker 7: position coach c j i U Texas Tech offensive line
Speaker 7: excuse me, outside linebackers coach.
Speaker 6: So outside linebackers, outside linebackers coach. We will talk about that.
Speaker 3: A couple guys in the draft that are really good
Speaker 3: from Texas Tech.
Speaker 2: Couple. There's a guy named David.
Speaker 3: Bailey who's going to be a first round pick, there's
Speaker 3: a guy named Romelo Height that's.
Speaker 2: Going to be a first round pick. I think he
Speaker 2: coached both of those guys.
Speaker 3: And then there's a linebacker, not an outside linebacker, but
Speaker 3: a mic linebacker named Josh Rodriguez who could be a first, second,
Speaker 3: or third round pick who he knows where he's going
Speaker 3: to go right now.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I just think that's worth pointing out.
Speaker 6: It is very much worth pointing out.
Speaker 2: Just thought.
Speaker 6: I guess the new entrance takesture, Jacob, is it? Josh?
Speaker 2: Josh?
Speaker 3: Kyleain, congratulations, dude, you're going in the draft.
Speaker 6: My play days are behind me, Kyle.
Speaker 2: Sorry, no, Jacob Rodya is my bad?
Speaker 6: Looks like you could line up and let's throw some
Speaker 6: bodies around.
Speaker 9: Now.
Speaker 8: I did one pulling play for the Little Lobo and
Speaker 8: they were like, all right, let's.
Speaker 3: He's gonna be better as a webmaster one day.
Speaker 6: Damn good webmaster in the movie at the Streak. But
Speaker 6: as soon as they put me on a pull play,
Speaker 6: that guy looks like a film creak. CJ. Good thing
Speaker 6: they had scouts at film school University. Baby, That's all
Speaker 6: I'm saying. J.
Speaker 7: You Texas tech outside linebackers coach. He is now a
Speaker 7: candidate for a position coaching role onunder Christian Parker, as
Speaker 7: is Eric Henderson, USC co defensive coordinator, run game coordinator
Speaker 7: and defensive line coach. Eric Henderson does quite a bit
Speaker 7: out there for the Trojans.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 7: And so we know, Denzel Martin Steelers outside linebackers coach.
Speaker 7: You're gonna hear this quite a bit because in all
Speaker 7: of the candidates that I named, and we're gonna talk
Speaker 7: about this, uh in a moment, outside linebackers coach, outside
Speaker 7: linebackers coach, outside linebackers coach. Notice not once did I
Speaker 7: say defensive ends coach wink Wick. We'll get to that
Speaker 7: in a second man front IDMN front.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 7: And one more new entrant. Fourth new entrant is from Athens. Oh,
Speaker 7: the Cowboys have scheduled in person interview with Kirby Smart.
Speaker 6: Why do you do that?
Speaker 9: Oh?
Speaker 2: Sorry, I did you just ask him?
Speaker 7: Because now it's now now. Whenever I dropped the name,
Speaker 7: it's like they hit the same now. But he's from
Speaker 7: the Kirby Smart tree. And that's a pretty big deal, okay.
Speaker 2: Which comes from the Nick Saban.
Speaker 6: That is true.
Speaker 7: So chideo Uzzo dribe he is the linebackers coach for Georgia.
Speaker 7: Which linebacker's coach? The outside linebackers coach? Patrick, Can I
Speaker 7: say it? You can say it.
Speaker 6: Go dogs.
Speaker 7: Now, whenever you're reaching into the Georgia coaching ranks, particularly
Speaker 7: at linebacker position coaching, then you're starting to look at
Speaker 7: number one. I'm just going to say it, all right, CJ.
Speaker 7: Even though CJ is off the ball linebacker, he's a
Speaker 7: middle Okay, he's a mike. He's not an on ball,
Speaker 7: he's not a defensive end, doesn't rush the pastor However,
Speaker 7: there's obviously that that relationship that's there. But I will
Speaker 7: also say, because I know a lot of people on
Speaker 7: Twitter once that news dropped via Todd Archer again shout
Speaker 7: out Todd Archer, a lot of people saying, you know, well,
Speaker 7: you know, Pat, no, c what does this guy bring?
Speaker 6: What does he do?
Speaker 7: I can tell you quite simply, if you've ever been
Speaker 7: impressed with the ability of the defensive line to get
Speaker 7: after the quarterback when you're watching Georgia, this is why
Speaker 7: you would love to have this type of guy here
Speaker 7: right into rebase. So I want to see how far
Speaker 7: that goes. But those are your new entrants and the
Speaker 7: ones who have been confirmed, Ryan Smith, Derek Annsley, Marcus Digson.
Speaker 6: Welcome to the program.
Speaker 3: Okay, so let's turn this thing around a little bit.
Speaker 3: We've already alluded to it here. You're looking at outside linebackers.
Speaker 3: Comes so very interesting reading the tea leaves here and
Speaker 3: even just from the schematics and from the coaching tree
Speaker 3: that Christian Parker comes from as a defensive coordinator. Now
Speaker 3: in his first stint as a decordinator, you would anticipate
Speaker 3: an odd man front, right, Yeah, forget it, And that
Speaker 3: was kind of part of it. Does this personnel in
Speaker 3: Dallas fit the need as an odd man front or
Speaker 3: is there gonna be a lot of moving and shaking
Speaker 3: that needs to happen.
Speaker 8: I think there's gonna be a lot of move in shaking,
Speaker 8: but also definitely they have their mindset on free agency
Speaker 8: in the draft to really fill in a lot of
Speaker 8: those gaps. I hope you have linebackers right now that
Speaker 8: could possibly fit maybe that transition to a three four
Speaker 8: or using multiple fronts, which Brian schot Nimer has been
Speaker 8: a proponent of since he became the coach. He's been
Speaker 8: saying multiple yeah, he said that multiple times. Now you're
Speaker 8: actually seeing it. This is the clearest indication of that change.
Speaker 8: But you currently have long, explosive athletes who need to live,
Speaker 8: who don't need to live with their hand in the dirt.
Speaker 8: Transitioning guys to stand up outside linebackers. Consider a Demarvin Overshown.
Speaker 8: Consider Shamar James is a sort of stand up assignment
Speaker 8: limited outside linebacker.
Speaker 2: I'd love to see him in that role.
Speaker 8: Seriously, right and situational Blitzer right. And then think of
Speaker 8: Marris lea fout in passing situations as like a nickel linebacker.
Speaker 8: I think you have the personnel that could make it work,
Speaker 8: but you obviously need to improve the personnel across the board.
Speaker 6: I agree.
Speaker 7: I don't think that as we have this conversation that
Speaker 7: you have the personnel to run that front. But we're
Speaker 7: having that conversation on February third. You have the entirety
Speaker 7: of free agency and the upcoming draft, and then of
Speaker 7: course some of the spill over after the draft. How
Speaker 7: you handle the free agents that the mercenaries that didn't
Speaker 7: get signed before then?
Speaker 6: How do you handle that?
Speaker 7: Because keep in mind, you had a guy like Jadeveon
Speaker 7: Clowney didn't come in until right when the seat, right
Speaker 7: after the season had begun. So you'll have some mercenaries
Speaker 7: there by the way sign Jadevion quickly, but you have
Speaker 7: to go and get them. But it starts with knowing
Speaker 7: who the coaching staff is and knowing what framework the
Speaker 7: scouts need to be looking toward. As far as bringing
Speaker 7: the personnel in. It doesn't need to start the other
Speaker 7: way around. Otherwise you find yourself in the inerflu situation
Speaker 7: where you have this personnel, but then you want to
Speaker 7: hire a coach, but the coach, their scheme and their
Speaker 7: framework doesn't work with the personnel, nor are they willing
Speaker 7: to be versatile enough to adapt to the personnel. That's
Speaker 7: when you run into problems. I like how the Cowboys
Speaker 7: are handling it right now. They say, hey, we want
Speaker 7: to get Christian Parker. They look at Christian and they say, hey,
Speaker 7: what do you want to run and what coaching staff
Speaker 7: do you need to run it. Let's just build that
Speaker 7: out first. They're building that out and then they look
Speaker 7: at the roster and say, you know what, we have
Speaker 7: some pieces we know will fit like a demo for example,
Speaker 7: And I'll say this, I think as Roku would look
Speaker 7: great in a three four, he'd be fine. He'd be
Speaker 7: fine because if you look at his build, his build,
Speaker 7: although there's a little bit more mass on him than
Speaker 7: there is demorvey on Overshown, but physically they're about the
Speaker 7: same height, same wingspan, similar So I could see as
Speaker 7: Roku thriving in that front.
Speaker 8: And the main thing you have to worry about when
Speaker 8: you're transitioning from a four three to three four is
Speaker 8: going to be your interior defensive line, which I think
Speaker 8: at this.
Speaker 2: Point feel good.
Speaker 6: Right now, you feel pretty dern good about it.
Speaker 7: Man, Listen, I say, man, listen, because life comes at
Speaker 7: you fast. Right a year ago, we're having this conversation
Speaker 7: and outside of the concerns at cornerback, the biggest concern
Speaker 7: we had was defensive tackle. Now we're sitting here in
Speaker 7: February third, twenty twenty six, and we're popping collars and bread,
Speaker 7: and you're like a defensive tackle who's worried about that?
Speaker 3: You know, I think in years past, if this was
Speaker 3: the conversation, if oh, we're gonna switch from four three
Speaker 3: to three four, even though I know there's multiples and
Speaker 3: Dallas Ransom odd Man fronts at certain times under Matt
Speaker 3: Eberflus too, just the majority of the time for yeah,
Speaker 3: and a lot of those fives. All of that to
Speaker 3: be said, I think if it was this conversation in
Speaker 3: years past, we probably.
Speaker 2: Would have been hesitant to say it's a good thing.
Speaker 3: What was the conversation even prior to hiring a defensive coordinator?
Speaker 3: Is it the coordinator or is it the personnel?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: We had that argument, it is this personnel good enough
Speaker 3: to execute whatever defensive coordinator is going to be able
Speaker 3: to bring in At some point in time, I think
Speaker 3: the argument is probably not. At some point you look
Speaker 3: at it and say, multiple defensive coordinators have struggled. Maybe
Speaker 3: the personnel's just not very good. So what do you
Speaker 3: do to change that? You upend the personnel, and that's
Speaker 3: what they're trying to do. Is it a harder task
Speaker 3: to do in one off season?
Speaker 2: Absolutely?
Speaker 3: It is tougher to do that than to build off
Speaker 3: of what you already have. Not to say that it's
Speaker 3: a complete reset, but you're gonna have to turn over
Speaker 3: plenty of individuals to make a switch like this. A
Speaker 3: full time switch like this happened, But I think this
Speaker 3: is the right time to do it because you get
Speaker 3: to build from the ground up, knowing that you have
Speaker 3: a piece here, a piece there, a superstar here, a
Speaker 3: really good player there.
Speaker 2: But then everybody else.
Speaker 3: It depends on how you fit into the system and
Speaker 3: then you find a way to do it. I've never
Speaker 3: been a proponent in the past. One of the things
Speaker 3: that dan Quinn did was he fit his system to
Speaker 3: the players. But when you don't have good players, there's
Speaker 3: no system that can make them better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I do think there's a way.
Speaker 3: You can up in both of these things and marry
Speaker 3: the two in one offseason.
Speaker 2: It's just going to be a tough task to do so.
Speaker 8: No, and I think we talked about last week, Kyle,
Speaker 8: when we were talking about the expectations of the defense
Speaker 8: that you have. Granted you're you're turning over the coaching staff,
Speaker 8: You're going to have some of the same personnel. There's
Speaker 8: you can't get around everybody, right, you can't turn out
Speaker 8: around the whole.
Speaker 6: Thing, nor necessarily do you want to.
Speaker 8: I think there are a lot of players that are
Speaker 8: currently on your defense that didn't get a fair shake
Speaker 8: last season because of performance and because of you mentioned
Speaker 8: a couple of them. Is one of those guys where
Speaker 8: like you probably don't want to move on from him.
Speaker 8: But did he play well in twenty twenty five?
Speaker 2: No? No, But did he maybe not?
Speaker 8: And that was a victim of politics basically, Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 8: I think there was some favoritism and as the linebackers
Speaker 8: room last year. So at least for me, I think
Speaker 8: you have a better chance with an overhaul of the
Speaker 8: coaching staff to give those players, those sort of ten
Speaker 8: pole players a better chance at succeeding this year, while
Speaker 8: also increasing competition and getting guys through free agency through
Speaker 8: the draft. That provides that competition that gives you the
Speaker 8: best players that are on the field.
Speaker 6: You're going to have to do a lot of work
Speaker 6: on your defensive.
Speaker 7: Personnel tons of season, just tons, that's a perfect word
Speaker 7: for a ton a ton of it, because outside of
Speaker 7: defensive tackle, and you're not really confident much anywhere else, right,
Speaker 7: defensive end, like I said, you go to an odd
Speaker 7: man front. I think Ezraku can thrive in that, So
Speaker 7: I like what I see there. But outside of that,
Speaker 7: who else is helping you rush the passer?
Speaker 6: There? Right? You got to figure that out. Linebacker.
Speaker 7: I do believe Marri CLEI if I was a victim
Speaker 7: of politics, and favoritism last season, so would like to
Speaker 7: see him back out there getting more snaps. But TBD
Speaker 7: on that, Di Marrionov shown he can be an absolute
Speaker 7: game changer, but availability TVD on that. Right outside of
Speaker 7: those two guys, Shamar James, I think he's gonna take
Speaker 7: a huge step forward, especially with if they bring in
Speaker 7: the correct position coach at linebacker for that young man,
Speaker 7: I think he'll excel.
Speaker 8: And if they put him in the right situations like
Speaker 8: we're talking about. I mean all of his traits say
Speaker 8: that he's a situational blitzer. Yeah, and may felt like
Speaker 8: we said he's a coverage linebacker.
Speaker 6: I mean, if you put these guys in the.
Speaker 8: Best situations for the player, not just the system, I
Speaker 8: think you're gonna thrive.
Speaker 7: And I will say this real quick, Kyle, because for
Speaker 7: those that aren't aware of Cowboys Cross Talk, which is
Speaker 7: a great show by the way, Layton vander Esh was
Speaker 7: featured on it recently and Vanderish had nothing but stellar
Speaker 7: praise for what he sees from Shamar James and his upside.
Speaker 7: So when you have a guy who is as talented
Speaker 7: as Lton vanders keep in mind the only reason Lady
Speaker 7: Vander Rush is not in the league. It's medically not
Speaker 7: because he couldn't play ball. Because man, when he was healthy,
Speaker 7: he could play some damn ball.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 7: So when you hear you know, former Cowboys veterans who
Speaker 7: played at a high level, Pro Bowl level praising a
Speaker 7: young man like that Shamar James during a year that
Speaker 7: was so unsettled as a whole defensively, that should.
Speaker 6: Tell you a lot there.
Speaker 7: But outside of those guys, I mean defensive backs, we
Speaker 7: don't even have to get really into it. Safeties, you know,
Speaker 7: you need some help there. You got to rebuild that completely.
Speaker 7: Cornerback Travon Dixon's out of the building. We got concerns
Speaker 7: about Ryan Bland's foots. If On Revel we're confident that
Speaker 7: a full off season he can take a step forward.
Speaker 7: Does that mean he immediately becomes a Pro Bowl the
Speaker 7: next year? We're not saying that, which means to be nice.
Speaker 6: Yeah, be nice, But so many question marks. Man.
Speaker 7: So you have some pieces, mostly defensive tackle. The rest
Speaker 7: you got to You gotta give Christian Parker everything he needs.
Speaker 7: That's gonna take a lot of work, but you got
Speaker 7: a lot of time.
Speaker 3: This is February, it is a lot of time. It's
Speaker 3: not a lot of time at the same.
Speaker 7: Time, Yeah, that's true, he's already but going Shriy and
Speaker 7: Bowl and seeing sack scouts are out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to get after it a little bit.
Speaker 3: And I think that's where this was such a coveted
Speaker 3: job by defensive coordinators. It was across the league and
Speaker 3: even going to the Senior Bowl and having conversations with
Speaker 3: other organizations, they said the same thing, like that was
Speaker 3: a highly coveted job because you have individuals that you
Speaker 3: can build around, young talent and a big, big plus
Speaker 3: in terms of your guys interior wise, with Quinn Williams
Speaker 3: and with Kenny Clark. Yeah, I mean people want to
Speaker 3: have your interior line stacked like that.
Speaker 2: They have it.
Speaker 3: But then you also have the expectations. Aren't to be
Speaker 3: one of the top ten defenses in the league.
Speaker 6: We talked about this.
Speaker 3: You just got to be a halfway decent decent defense
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Speaker 9: What's going on, gentlemen, how's everybody today?
Speaker 6: Are you wonderful?
Speaker 9: I'm good man. I'm just making some shirpping grits for
Speaker 9: the lady. Hey, you hurt Josh, Just so you know, Bro,
Speaker 9: do'll sell yourself so short. Okay, I think you would
Speaker 9: be a great outside linebacker, slashdo very much. I think
Speaker 9: you would be great. Keep doing your movie thing, but yeah,
Speaker 9: I think you would be great. So one of my
Speaker 9: biggest one of my biggest things was throughout this offseason
Speaker 9: was hearing, oh, well, we need to hire a certain
Speaker 9: demographic of coaching me personally, Black white are in different. Man,
Speaker 9: Let's just hope that they're the best candidate. That's one
Speaker 9: of my biggest things. I just wanted the best candidate,
Speaker 9: whether it have been Christian Parker or Jim Leonard or
Speaker 9: or Jim Schwartz. And I just wanted the best candidate
Speaker 9: for us. And the fact that we went young speaks
Speaker 9: volumes of the changes that the Joneses feel they need
Speaker 9: to make. Yep uh. Storing a little draft in there,
Speaker 9: I would like to have mister Wood, not Josh Rodriguez,
Speaker 9: but you know the other Rodrigue as from my Texas
Speaker 9: A and L. Do you guys think that that moving
Speaker 9: back at twenty would be the best options in order
Speaker 9: to get more picks for Day two or sticking and
Speaker 9: sticking and picking where we are would would do better.
Speaker 2: Appreciate you, hoodie coush. Two great questions, great call.
Speaker 11: Man.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna start with draft just since it was you too, man,
Speaker 2: you too.
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Speaker 7: Yeah man, that's yeah.
Speaker 6: Legendary combo just.
Speaker 3: Made me hungry and media X starting with draft just
Speaker 3: since it was the most recent question there. Jacob Rodriguez
Speaker 3: out of Texas Tech, great linebacker. I think there are
Speaker 3: better ones available for you at twelve twenty if you wanted.
Speaker 2: To trade back, I would trade back.
Speaker 3: From twenty, and that's only if you have a contingency
Speaker 3: of guys that you feel really confident in and you
Speaker 3: would be able to get back in the top one hundred,
Speaker 3: which you could do and it's happened before, but you
Speaker 3: can't go super far down the list. I would still
Speaker 3: want to have at least the first round pick, or
Speaker 3: at least an early second round pick where you can
Speaker 3: kind of sleep on your board a little bit going
Speaker 3: into Day two and pick up a third round at
Speaker 3: the same time. And that's you're going to have to
Speaker 3: have a hefty price and a dance partner that wants
Speaker 3: to come up and grab a prospect. So there's a
Speaker 3: couple options. We've talked about it a few times on
Speaker 3: the Draft Show. We'll probably hit it again as we
Speaker 3: get closer. I don't know if Jacob Rodriguez would be
Speaker 3: the target there if he is, if it is a
Speaker 3: trade back option, but I think there you're going to
Speaker 3: get two guys that can immediately be impact players on
Speaker 3: your defense at twelve and twenty.
Speaker 2: So I don't think I would trade back.
Speaker 8: No, I think you stick a pick at this point.
Speaker 8: You traded Michael Parsons. This is why you did it.
Speaker 8: You want those two first round picks, please use them.
Speaker 8: My only caveat to that is if all of your
Speaker 8: first round talent is off the board by twenty I mean,
Speaker 8: for whatever reason, because that because that happens, you know obviously,
Speaker 8: And if the best player available there isn't the value
Speaker 8: of a first round pick, sure I would move out
Speaker 8: of it and get yourself the day two pick, which
Speaker 8: you currently don't have. But right now, stick and pick. Yeah,
Speaker 8: give me the best two players you can find right
Speaker 8: through in both defense.
Speaker 7: Yes, would would not be upset at sticking and picking
Speaker 7: twelve and twenty. I definitely say stick and pick at
Speaker 7: twelve twenty. Depends on who's on the phone. If someone's
Speaker 7: on the phone, let's say, what do we got Cleveland
Speaker 7: at twenty four, Chicago at twenty five. I'd be willing
Speaker 7: to entertain going down from twenty to the mid twenties.
Speaker 7: If that fielded me at third round.
Speaker 6: Pick of some so late twenties, bye bye bye. No
Speaker 6: you're not.
Speaker 8: I'm not picking up the phone for any late twenties.
Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying, mid twenty picking up.
Speaker 6: The phone to hear what they're saying, and then I'm good.
Speaker 6: It just for me. It just depends on who's on
Speaker 6: the line.
Speaker 7: Because again, if I depend on how the board is falling,
Speaker 7: and I stayed at twelve, and I made my pick
Speaker 7: at twelve, so that means I got my guy, right,
Speaker 7: I got my first guy if how my board is
Speaker 7: falling versus how the draft is going, if my second
Speaker 7: guy is still there at like nineteen, and then I'm
Speaker 7: looking at who's behind me, and you look at you know,
Speaker 7: Pittsburgh and the Chargers and Philly, and you say to yourself,
Speaker 7: will they're likely not going to take my guy. I'm
Speaker 7: willing to fall back to twenty four to twenty five.
Speaker 7: I am willing to fall back to twenty four to
Speaker 7: twenty five if the you know, if it's Chicago or
Speaker 7: Cincinnati and whomever, and they're like, well, okay, give us
Speaker 7: that twenty and We'll give you a third round pick if.
Speaker 6: You're willing to do that.
Speaker 7: And my guy is still falling like I think he will,
Speaker 7: and he'll still be there around twenty four to twenty five,
Speaker 7: that's a win win win for me.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So that's what I mean.
Speaker 7: So I'm fine with sticking and picking at twelve and
Speaker 7: twenty most certainly at twelve.
Speaker 6: Don't move from twelve.
Speaker 7: But once you get around twenty, look at the board,
Speaker 7: answer the phone, look at how the draft is going,
Speaker 7: and just be fluent, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: Do you think there's a world where the Cowboys move
Speaker 6: up at all from twelve? No? I don't think there's. No,
Speaker 6: not at all.
Speaker 2: Probably not for who downs. No, they the top five,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: No, I would rather take the shot that he slides
Speaker 3: than to spin my picks.
Speaker 6: And yeah, I don't see I'm doing it at all.
Speaker 6: I'm just with fire there.
Speaker 3: But I'm playing around on one of these these mock
Speaker 3: draft simulators. The Titans offered me pick thirty five for
Speaker 3: twenty No, but they threw in a second round pick
Speaker 3: and a third round pick next year.
Speaker 6: No, no, no, it would have to be.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: But that's the type of Dans partner you would have
Speaker 3: to have, is it's not going to be anybody there
Speaker 3: because and we've had this conversation a couple of times too,
Speaker 3: from about five to twenty, there's not a ton of
Speaker 3: separation between these prospects.
Speaker 2: It's all very grouped together.
Speaker 3: Pick what you need here, take what you need there,
Speaker 3: and see what happens. From about twenty to fifty, it's
Speaker 3: starting to look like that's a group that's all together.
Speaker 3: So nobody's really going to be dancing around unless they
Speaker 3: have one of their upper echelon first round picks that
Speaker 3: are still available, and they don't think the last of
Speaker 3: that spot, So it would probably be further down, like
Speaker 3: a thirty early thirties type of pick, somebody that may
Speaker 3: have already selected in the first round, and then would
Speaker 3: have to give you quite the hall to get up there.
Speaker 7: But let's see, because I'm looking at the draft value
Speaker 7: chart right now, let's see twenty. The value on that
Speaker 7: is eight hundred and fifty points. Cleveland as one example,
Speaker 7: Cleveland is at twenty four, seven hundred and forty points.
Speaker 7: If y'all, if you swapped they take twenty, you take
Speaker 7: twenty four, they'd still owe you one ten where they
Speaker 7: in the third Cleveland.
Speaker 2: It's a lot of math right off the dome here, Patrick,
Speaker 2: keep going.
Speaker 7: Dude, Cleveland wouldn't work because the seventieth overall is too
Speaker 7: rich worth two forty. That means they have now it
Speaker 7: doesn't always break even. Some teams are just like, you
Speaker 7: know what.
Speaker 6: It's a first round YEA, like just take the extra.
Speaker 7: One hundred and twenty points to some mid But that
Speaker 7: would be so it looks like something like a Chicago
Speaker 7: at twenty five or Buffalo at twenty six would be
Speaker 7: more feasible to be able to make that swap and
Speaker 7: then force them to give you a third round pick.
Speaker 7: But those are the conversations I'd be willing to have
Speaker 7: as twenty approaches. But I'm completely comfortable at twenty.
Speaker 6: If I'm not.
Speaker 7: Hearing anything that's making me sit up and say, okay,
Speaker 7: now we're talking just sticking pick at twenty as well.
Speaker 6: I just like the flexibility.
Speaker 2: Z Yeah.
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Speaker 3: call eight eight eight eight five five two two ninety seven.
Speaker 2: Got to hear from George Pickens and Dak Prescott yesterday.
Speaker 6: Yes he did.
Speaker 2: At the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 3: Tommy Yaris wrote an article on Dallas Cowboys dot com.
Speaker 3: If you haven't checked it out already, it.
Speaker 6: Is what do you do? It's on the dot com.
Speaker 2: It is free. There's no paywalk, no paywall.
Speaker 6: A couple ads, but the.
Speaker 3: Feeling is mutual from Pickens to the front office, as
Speaker 3: is the front office to Pickens. George Pickens said on
Speaker 3: being asked if he would like to return to Dallas,
Speaker 3: he said, I would love to, but when you can't
Speaker 3: control it, you just kind.
Speaker 2: Of hope for the best.
Speaker 6: That's a fair point. There's nothing. There's no shade there, Okay,
Speaker 6: none at all.
Speaker 2: Let's keep going.
Speaker 3: Well now, not me personally, when talking about if the
Speaker 3: Cowboys have reached out to him personally on a contract extension, which.
Speaker 6: Is probably a good thing, but it's there talking to
Speaker 6: the agent.
Speaker 2: Definitely, probably my agent.
Speaker 3: He doesn't tell me who calls all the time, So
Speaker 3: definitely just kind of waited out and hoped for the best.
Speaker 2: Second time he said that, So a couple of things there.
Speaker 6: Yeah, what's your interpretation, Kyle?
Speaker 2: I have no problem with it. Okay, Yeah, I'm just
Speaker 2: I'm reading that.
Speaker 6: I have an interpretation.
Speaker 2: What's your interpretation?
Speaker 6: He really wants to stay.
Speaker 2: I think he does.
Speaker 7: The fact that he said keeps I'm saying, I hope
Speaker 7: it works out for the best. It feels as if
Speaker 7: he's saying this is the best that he hopes it
Speaker 7: works out for Yeah. So I mean this goes back
Speaker 7: to during the season, the you know, the innumerable amount
Speaker 7: of times that he was asked about you know, free
Speaker 7: agency and does he want to stay, and every single
Speaker 7: time he echoed that sentiment he wants to remain with
Speaker 7: the Cowboys, but it is out of his control.
Speaker 6: And that's true. It's a true statement.
Speaker 3: And Tommy Yarrish asked that question, what is the best
Speaker 3: mister George Pickens, what.
Speaker 2: Do you feel like is the best?
Speaker 3: He said, just the ultimate best deal where it helps everybody.
Speaker 3: If it's the best thing for both parties, then I'm
Speaker 3: willing to do anything. But like I said, I can't
Speaker 3: control it, so I just kind.
Speaker 2: Of chill listen.
Speaker 7: Even that statement has to make Jerry Stephen Jones smile.
Speaker 7: Whatever works best for both parties and he wants to
Speaker 7: It sounds as if and I'm not going to say
Speaker 7: this because I want every player.
Speaker 6: I'm a player advocate. I want every player to get
Speaker 6: as much money as they can.
Speaker 2: I know what you're gonna say, don't say it.
Speaker 7: That being said, well number one, let me just say
Speaker 7: I want to hear about no damn pie. So but
Speaker 7: the good news is is, and this is. I was
Speaker 7: having this conversation with a fan. This is funny. And
Speaker 7: a fan with a fan at a gas station not
Speaker 7: two days ago. Interesting, not two days ago. I was
Speaker 7: buying some chips and they're like, hey, you know see
Speaker 7: and we just started talking to Yeah, tostitos.
Speaker 6: They were delicious. And it was at a seven eleven
Speaker 6: official sponsor of the Das Calb.
Speaker 2: She had a black rifle coffee in hand too. On
Speaker 2: his way out, the.
Speaker 7: Fan was asking. He was like, so, what do you
Speaker 7: what do you think we are on this George Pickens thing.
Speaker 7: I said, I'll tell you this much. So often we
Speaker 7: hear Jerry Jones use the pie argument against you know,
Speaker 7: how things might turn out when negotiating with a free agent.
Speaker 7: Jerry Jones has basically set that to the side every
Speaker 7: single time he's been asked about George Pickens. Every time
Speaker 7: they asked about the salary cap. Oh, we can figure
Speaker 7: it out. We can figure you never hear Jerry talk
Speaker 7: about this when it comes to salary cap versus signing
Speaker 7: a big money player. I think that works in the
Speaker 7: favor of George Pickens. And then you hear George Pickens
Speaker 7: saying things like he wants it to work out for
Speaker 7: both parties involved, not just himself. Man, I think this
Speaker 7: deal gets done. Now that being said, do I think
Speaker 7: the deal gets done by February seventeenth, nineteenth?
Speaker 6: No, I think it can. I don't know that it.
Speaker 7: Necessarily will, because there's a lot of moving parts when
Speaker 7: you're talking about a deal this large. I am of
Speaker 7: the mindset I think the Cowboys tag him, but I
Speaker 7: think the tag is to buy time until mid July
Speaker 7: to get the long term deal done. But then I
Speaker 7: think it gets done far before July. I just don't
Speaker 7: know that it gets done before the tag window will close.
Speaker 8: This for all parties, and I guess selfishly, I just
Speaker 8: want the deal to get done as soon as possible,
Speaker 8: just so we can stop talking about it. Yeah, George
Speaker 8: Pickens will be playing for the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 2: Agreed?
Speaker 3: I agree, all right, let's take a call from Troy
Speaker 3: and Amarillo.
Speaker 2: Troy, you're on talking to the Cowboys. What's going on?
Speaker 6: Man?
Speaker 12: Oh hey, many, good to talk to you guys. You know,
Speaker 12: I was just thinking the other day, you know, and
Speaker 12: shout out to Kyle and to Bobby Belt, you know,
Speaker 12: for the draft show. But I'll tell you, man, we
Speaker 12: need a couple of drafts, how like Detroit had, you know,
Speaker 12: back to back, and we can do They may be
Speaker 12: tough then with this year's the way things are stacking up,
Speaker 12: but you know, Bobby was right. Man. You talk about
Speaker 12: you know, two ends, two linebackers to you know, two
Speaker 12: back end guys and and then maybe one or two safeties.
Speaker 12: You really need all that and then you know, actually
Speaker 12: to make and you're not gonna be able to get
Speaker 12: it all this year. You're just not, don't. I don't
Speaker 12: think he can do all that. If you have a
Speaker 12: couple of drafts kind of like Detroit did a couple
Speaker 12: of years few years back, you can actually make things happen.
Speaker 12: And I've bet Will mcclayman. You know, these guys really
Speaker 12: have to hit on them and I think they I
Speaker 12: think they can. They really do.
Speaker 3: Man, Thank you for the call Troy, I agree with
Speaker 3: you because and he's referencing a moment on the Draft
Speaker 3: Show where Bobby outlined a checklist that included multiple players
Speaker 3: in almost every defensive position, and the checklist was to
Speaker 3: achieve prior to the draft, so that way you can
Speaker 3: draft the best player available whenever the time comes. And
Speaker 3: it's a long list, there's a lot of work to do.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like what we talked about earlier. It's
Speaker 3: almost impossible to overhaul a defense in one one summer,
Speaker 3: but it's possible to take steps in the right direction.
Speaker 3: And that's where the expectation is middle of the road
Speaker 3: for this Dallas defense. I do think you might see
Speaker 3: and everybody's talking to I've always said.
Speaker 2: On the show, what if? I always said on the show,
Speaker 2: hope is not a strategy.
Speaker 3: But there are some things from this twenty twenty five
Speaker 3: draft class that you've seen that you hope to see
Speaker 3: a step forward. Do you plan for it to happen?
Speaker 3: Absolutely not. Don't plan for it to happen because that's
Speaker 3: not the strategy. But if it does happen, then all
Speaker 3: of a sudden, you see Savona Reveel step up and
Speaker 3: he's the cornerback that you anticipated him to be after
Speaker 3: a full healthy offseason in an extra training camp of work,
Speaker 3: and then he turns into being a confident young corner.
Speaker 2: In your defense. Bank there's for Overshown, that's huge.
Speaker 3: Same thing for Overshow and hopefully he's healthy all the
Speaker 3: way through and he's good to go with a full
Speaker 3: training camp. Same thing with Shamar James and some of
Speaker 3: those guys Jaden Blue on the offensive side of the ball.
Speaker 3: You could go anywhere and talk about what you could
Speaker 3: do and what you could see from a second year jump.
Speaker 2: Is it expected? No, But that's the type of thing.
Speaker 3: You need in order to really be successful in this league.
Speaker 3: You need your supplemental guys to join the first round
Speaker 3: picks that you're selecting and your free agent acquisitions that
Speaker 3: you had. Imagine if the twenty twenty four class would
Speaker 3: have taken a second year jump and added to what
Speaker 3: they found in Javonte Williams, in George Pickens and from
Speaker 3: the trades with Kenny Clark and quinnin Williams. They didn't
Speaker 3: get that from the twenty four class. Maybe the twenty
Speaker 3: five class and can do that.
Speaker 7: You also need at least one surprise from those draft class.
Speaker 7: So like Dooran Bland turned out to be that surprise,
Speaker 7: create at least one guy where you're just like who.
Speaker 3: And that was where the twenty three team was legit
Speaker 3: and that's why they won twelve games. We do have
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Speaker 3: couple quick notes on the Shrime Bowl and the Senior
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Richard's talking to to Brian Bumgardner from the Office,
Speaker 3: which I'm a little jealous of the guy who played
Speaker 3: Kevin the Office, but that's that's gonna be a conversation
Speaker 3: when he gets back. All right, shrimebol and Senior Bo Patrick.
Speaker 3: You got a chance to see some guys at anybody
Speaker 3: stick out to you.
Speaker 7: Yeah, quite a bit actually. I mean you know, first
Speaker 7: of all, let me just lead with this. Mason Rieger, okay,
Speaker 7: ed rusher from Wiscon edge rusher from Wisconsin sixty five.
Speaker 7: What a freaking showing dude. He was great in practice,
Speaker 7: what a freaking monster man, career high three sacks. He
Speaker 7: he started the flash in the first half that he
Speaker 7: might start to come on, but that second half he
Speaker 7: was like, this is this is my game Because early
Speaker 7: on you had Wesley Williams, Ed Druss Rod of Duke
Speaker 7: sixty three, two fifty one, you had Keyshawn James Nuby
Speaker 7: out of New Mexico. Those guys were kind of coming
Speaker 7: on in the first half, first three quarters, and then
Speaker 7: Mason Ruger was like, you know what, I'll take it
Speaker 7: from here. But all three of those guys so rightgro
Speaker 7: out of Wisconsin, Wesley Williams out of Duke, James Nuby
Speaker 7: out of New Mexico. Those were my top three edge
Speaker 7: rushers that jumped out linebackers didn't have a fantastic showing,
Speaker 7: with the exception of one in particular, Shat Banks University
Speaker 7: of Texas at San Antonio five eleven, two thirty three. Man,
Speaker 7: he was just all over the place. He was playing
Speaker 7: like his hero was on fire. He jumped off.
Speaker 3: He was a late addition to the Shrine bul roster too,
Speaker 3: because they had some injuries early in the week. Of course,
Speaker 3: I do the work with the American Conference and I've
Speaker 3: watched him play for three years now.
Speaker 2: He's a dog.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, his motor is.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't mind taking a day three, wouldn't flyer on him.
Speaker 7: Motors great plays through the whistle, showed me some things
Speaker 7: in coverage as well as showed me some things in
Speaker 7: filling run gaps.
Speaker 3: So I'll end on one day practice, one day press,
Speaker 3: one day practice ready for that sett.
Speaker 7: Banks UTSA keep an eye on that guy. Cornerbacks. It
Speaker 7: was a tough goal for them. With the exception of
Speaker 7: Brent Austin out of Cal five eleven one seventy six,
Speaker 7: third team All acc selection in twenty five. Kind of raw,
Speaker 7: but had some traits there that showed me some things.
Speaker 7: In the Shrine Bowls safety one jumped out at me
Speaker 7: cole is Nowski Texas Tech. We talked about they always
Speaker 7: yeah six four two twenty uh and the Cowboys are
Speaker 7: interviewing the Texas Tech position coach on defense, So.
Speaker 6: Keeping eye on that and honorable mention.
Speaker 7: Man, you know, glad it wasn't anything major, but James Thompson,
Speaker 7: junior out of Illinois, Man, he fired right out of
Speaker 7: the gate in the Shrine Bowl, suffered a little bit
Speaker 7: of an injury toward halftime, just ahead of head time halftime,
Speaker 7: walked off under his own power. Didn't look like he
Speaker 7: was anything a major concern, but as a precaution, didn't
Speaker 7: bring him back in the game. But I would have
Speaker 7: loved to see more. But I saw enough in the
Speaker 7: first half to make him an honorable mention. And I
Speaker 7: did do a list of Shrine Bowl standouts that make
Speaker 7: sense for the Cowboys on Dallas Cowboys dot com dot com.
Speaker 6: Make sure you check that out.
Speaker 3: Do you have any that you watched, either from the
Speaker 3: Shrine Bowl or a Senior Bowl that stuck out to you?
Speaker 6: Only watched the Shrine Bowl.
Speaker 8: And more so, I was paying attention to the coaching
Speaker 8: staff because Linda Wells obviously.
Speaker 2: Dude, that was awesome.
Speaker 6: Amazing for him get the gatorade.
Speaker 2: Bath at the end of the game.
Speaker 3: I was just we were sitting in Indianapolis watching the
Speaker 3: game at a bar and when I mean smiling ear ear.
Speaker 2: Yeah, couldn't have been happier for him.
Speaker 8: So no, and if he decides to depart the Dallas
Speaker 8: Cowboys for a better opportunity, it's it would be well
Speaker 8: deserved because a guy that has just put in so
Speaker 8: much work to to gain the credibility that he has
Speaker 8: A player favorite obviously just really stock for him. But Rager,
Speaker 8: like you said, I really liked him a lot or
Speaker 8: Riyger excuse me. Yeah, that was about it. But I
Speaker 8: just watched Shrine Bowl a little bit. Isaiah stand Back
Speaker 8: did a great job.
Speaker 2: He did do on the NFL Networks fun. Yeah it was.
Speaker 3: It was a good week across the board, and I
Speaker 3: thought the Shrine bol did a nice job of weathering
Speaker 3: the storm, no pun intended.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, no, that was crazy because cancer.
Speaker 3: The storm itself was crazy, And I mean I risked
Speaker 3: my life getting on the eyes just to get down
Speaker 3: to practice a couple of times over the weekend. And
Speaker 3: I'm glad everybody stayed safe. They were able to keep
Speaker 3: all the practices keep the game going. The crowd wasn't
Speaker 3: as good as it probably should have been, which is
Speaker 3: part of the weather.
Speaker 6: Makes sense for getting there.
Speaker 3: But they kept all the guys safe and that was
Speaker 3: the number one thing. But I'm talking specifically about them
Speaker 3: having fifty four opt outs going into the game, and
Speaker 3: they still had a pretty good product on the field
Speaker 3: as well. One guy wanted to shout out before we
Speaker 3: get out of here, Landon Robinson, interior defensive lineman from Navy.
Speaker 2: Dude, he was all over all week long, one of
Speaker 2: the standouts. He's a smaller body.
Speaker 3: I don't know if he's going to get drafted because
Speaker 3: he's only two hundred and eighty seven pounds six foot
Speaker 3: and he's a nose tackle three technique type of guy.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he'll get drafted, but man, he
Speaker 2: was really fun.
Speaker 6: He showed out.
Speaker 3: He's like he reminded me of Willy Lampkin. For those
Speaker 3: that do follow the draft, Willy Lampkin was a North
Speaker 3: Carolina offensive lineman last year, which was just out there
Speaker 3: whooping feet as we like to the draft show, whooping
Speaker 3: feet and getting out there and taking care of business.
Speaker 3: But he was so significantly undersized that he went underdrafted.
Speaker 3: Same kind of thing with Landon Robinson. I hope he
Speaker 3: gets a shot somewhere because he's a good kid too,
Speaker 3: and he had a really good week of practice in
Speaker 3: the Shrine Bowl, so I wanted.
Speaker 6: To shot him. He showed out.
Speaker 7: And if for those that followed the positions that I
Speaker 7: named for Cowboy Fronbo standouts that make sense for the Cowboys,
Speaker 7: notice I did not note any defensive tackles, and that
Speaker 7: wasn't because they didn't show out. It's because, circling back
Speaker 7: to the beginning to make sense for the it doesn't
Speaker 7: make sense.
Speaker 6: For the colt.
Speaker 2: Hey maybe our drafted free agent.
Speaker 6: That sounds good.
Speaker 2: Good to me?
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