Speaker 1: The guys from paying They've kind of showed me how
Speaker 1: much the equipment matters.
Speaker 2: I just love that I can hit any shot I
Speaker 2: kind of want.
Speaker 3: We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about
Speaker 3: what goes on here to help golfers play better golf.
Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome back to the Ping prooven Grounds podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm Shane Bak and joined us always by Marty Jertsen. Marty,
Speaker 1: We've got someone that I think has like level IQ
Speaker 1: to you on the podcast today.
Speaker 2: Is that is that fair to say? Are we okay
Speaker 2: saying that?
Speaker 4: Marty?
Speaker 3: Nico and I have had some fun conversations. Shane, this
Speaker 3: is gonna be a fun one, brother.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, I you know, it's a company I'm very
Speaker 1: interested in. I've I've heard about it over the years.
Speaker 1: Nico Daris is with us from Golf Blueprint and Nico
Speaker 1: first and foremost. I think for people that don't know
Speaker 1: what Golf Blueprint is, can you just kind of explain
Speaker 1: it like you're explain it to somebody at a holiday party,
Speaker 1: Like what do you do when you tell them what
Speaker 1: you do?
Speaker 5: So whenever that happens, I always say to him, how
Speaker 5: long do you have? First and foremost, because that's really
Speaker 5: that's really the case.
Speaker 2: This is the Internet, babe. You can go as long
Speaker 2: as you.
Speaker 5: Of course, So the thirty thousand foot super quick one is.
Speaker 5: Golf Blueprint is a data and analytics company. I started
Speaker 5: with a friend named doctor Kevin Moore, and originally I
Speaker 5: started out as his student. Kind of a funny story
Speaker 5: about how we met through a podcast Andy's I know
Speaker 5: he's a friend of all of ours on the Frida
Speaker 5: Egg and started off as a student. I was a
Speaker 5: first semester doctoral student at Education and basically shot him
Speaker 5: a cold email said, hey, man, I'm new to golf.
Speaker 5: I've been playing two years at that point, playing the
Speaker 5: mini tours, and I need help because I'm tired of
Speaker 5: getting absolutely waxed in Arizona. Needless to say, shooting seventy
Speaker 5: two on the Outlaw Tour wasn't getting it done, and
Speaker 5: so Kevi and I started GV together. We have clients
Speaker 5: all around the world. We worked with everything from you
Speaker 5: know typically like the highest range is like twenty ish handicap,
Speaker 5: that's what we like to say, all the way down
Speaker 5: to the best players in the world. And we designed
Speaker 5: practice plans. That's our main bread and butter. So taking
Speaker 5: what someone does well, whether it's through a questionnaire. Obviously
Speaker 5: the tour guys are completely different with super hands on,
Speaker 5: but for the average member, they fill out a questionnaire
Speaker 5: and then from that questionnaire we try to deduce down
Speaker 5: essentially areas of the game that they can improve in
Speaker 5: super high yield stuff that if you're a dad, if
Speaker 5: you're you know, a mom, you have an hour a week,
Speaker 5: two hours a week you can try to get better
Speaker 5: and more importantly have a little fun nak.
Speaker 3: I think that's such an important problem to be solved.
Speaker 3: I think every golfer is faced with this dilemma where
Speaker 3: you have maybe you have twenty minutes before you go
Speaker 3: play to practice. Maybe you're like getting into it, you're
Speaker 3: a scratch golfer, your club and you're putting in three
Speaker 3: to four hour, three to four good hours a week.
Speaker 4: It's like what do you do with that time? Right?
Speaker 3: So that's basically what Golf Blueprint is doing is trying
Speaker 3: to maximize, like you said, the yield or like how
Speaker 3: do you structure your time, which I think a lot
Speaker 3: of golfers are, even the best players in the world,
Speaker 3: which I love to get some stories about that from
Speaker 3: you are struggle with that problem, right totally.
Speaker 5: So one thing I think that we all understand and
Speaker 5: work around and being with tour guys is they're just
Speaker 5: regular people who happen to be freaks at hitting golf balls.
Speaker 5: They struggle with the same things, right, They have lives,
Speaker 5: they have kids, And as much as everyone has read
Speaker 5: the story of you know, the most famous golfer in
Speaker 5: the world waking up at four am and running thirteen
Speaker 5: miles and then doing an obstacle course and hitting balls
Speaker 5: for six hours, you know, probably not the reality for
Speaker 5: most guys. They want to get up, they want to
Speaker 5: you know, get their workout in, and they want to
Speaker 5: be home, right. They want to be able to enjoy
Speaker 5: their lives, the same as the country club scratch who's
Speaker 5: trying to get a little better. And more importantly to
Speaker 5: us that you know, ten to fourteen handicapper that just
Speaker 5: like dreams of playing in their club championship, how do
Speaker 5: they get better? And I think one of the big
Speaker 5: things for us is understanding nerding out here chaos theory,
Speaker 5: where yeah, there's a huge, like wide swath of golfers
Speaker 5: that all play the game at different levels, but we
Speaker 5: really tried to figure out what makes them more similar
Speaker 5: and what can we then do to help those players,
Speaker 5: because there might be a million reasons you're a ten handicap,
Speaker 5: but pretty much deduce you're not a good driver of
Speaker 5: the ball as a ten handicap. And so once we
Speaker 5: were able to just make those like huge hypothesis guess
Speaker 5: and then build a plan and try, it was essentially
Speaker 5: trial and error in the beginning to now we feel
Speaker 5: relatively confident. I would say, obviously, like this is me
Speaker 5: being an academic, where like I will never tell you
Speaker 5: I'm super confident in something just because there's two hundred
Speaker 5: people out there who are way smarter and better at
Speaker 5: what they do. But we feel pretty confident that, like
Speaker 5: you said, Marty, those super high yield things, right. I
Speaker 5: listened to your podcast with Andrew Rice, Like working on
Speaker 5: your driver at the driving range. Everyone makes fun of
Speaker 5: that you should be working on your driver at the
Speaker 5: driving rade. Yeah, absolutely, Hammer that.
Speaker 1: They have a distance. That's the big Northeast issue. I mean,
Speaker 1: living in the Northeast, it's like, where can I go
Speaker 1: bang drivers? I gotta go out on my golf course.
Speaker 1: But Nico, I want to go back to kind of
Speaker 1: the start of this because I'm very interested in anybody
Speaker 1: that finds a solution for a problem. I mean, Marty,
Speaker 1: I've talked about stack over the years. Obviously, I when
Speaker 1: you think about the introduction of the Ping company, I
Speaker 1: mean it was literally there were issues and problems and
Speaker 1: mister Solheim's came up with solutions for those issues. Did
Speaker 1: you look around and say there's nothing like this? Were
Speaker 1: you looking online trying to find maybe some sort of
Speaker 1: a If I have an hour and a half each
Speaker 1: week to go out and practice, what should I do?
Speaker 1: Because I do find being an adult is extremely intimidating
Speaker 1: in terms of getting into something new. People want to
Speaker 1: go work out, Where do you start? How do you
Speaker 1: do it? How do I break up my time between
Speaker 1: leg day and AR and DAYA? What do those days
Speaker 1: even mean?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: And I even think for good players at times, Hey,
Speaker 1: I got to go to the range and work on something.
Speaker 1: But what the hell am I doing at the driving
Speaker 1: range in terms of my forty five minutes? So did
Speaker 1: you dig online initially to see what was out there
Speaker 1: in this space and basically come back with no results?
Speaker 5: So as a mega doork, of course, that is my
Speaker 5: job as research and I scoured the internet and read
Speaker 5: as much as I could, and I came across nothing
Speaker 5: really that's stuck, and that was a huge issue. I
Speaker 5: come from team sports, so I came from a baseball
Speaker 5: backer and played a little in school, and I didn't
Speaker 5: have to show up to baseball practice and create my
Speaker 5: own plan total. All I had to do was show
Speaker 5: up and execute. So then when I was trying to
Speaker 5: get better at golf, I did what everyone does, and
Speaker 5: I watched Tiger play Tory Pines in two thousand and
Speaker 5: you know, just obliterate everybody, and it, for some reason
Speaker 5: wasn't helping me shoot lower scores, much to my chagrin.
Speaker 5: But then I was like, Okay, how do I structure
Speaker 5: my time? Because when I was in school, my time
Speaker 5: was so variable. Some days I'd have an hour, some
Speaker 5: days i'd have none, some days I'd have three hours.
Speaker 5: And I wasn't getting better fast enough. So I had
Speaker 5: to close the gap between where I was and where
Speaker 5: I wanted to be. And I didn't have time to say, okay,
Speaker 5: well I have ten years to do this. Well, I
Speaker 5: wanted to get better in two weeks, not ten years,
Speaker 5: and so I had to essentially, like you said, solve
Speaker 5: the problem of time. How do I structure my practice
Speaker 5: so that when I go home, I can say, look,
Speaker 5: I actually did something, I got better versus I think
Speaker 5: all of us have done this. We show up and
Speaker 5: we're like, hey, what am I work on today? And
Speaker 5: then you hit a squirrely seven iron, and then forty
Speaker 5: five minutes goes by and you've just hit nothing but
Speaker 5: seven irons for forty five minutes, and then you have
Speaker 5: to go home. And some days that's really you know,
Speaker 5: that's effective practice right there. I'm never gonna say there's
Speaker 5: no such things as bad practice, but being able to
Speaker 5: go home and say, look I accomplished something. I'm working
Speaker 5: towards a larger goal. And the biggest thing in my
Speaker 5: end is not being reactive to, like I said, that
Speaker 5: last shot or that last game, or that last tournament
Speaker 5: that you played in all of us that played tournament golf,
Speaker 5: or some days you go out there and you flush it.
Speaker 5: Other days you show up and you know you chip
Speaker 5: terribly well, that might just be an anomaly, or maybe
Speaker 5: you are a horrific chipper and you should spend a
Speaker 5: little bit more time working on it.
Speaker 2: Do you iron those things out? Nico within golf blueprint.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, let's say Marty was struggling with pitching
Speaker 1: the golf ball or I was struggling with putting. Can
Speaker 1: you input those types of things within the system and
Speaker 1: it will it will. It will give you more time
Speaker 1: to focus on the things you struggle on. Is that
Speaker 1: part of kind of the AI side of it or whatever?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, So we absolutely let golfers tell us what
Speaker 5: they need. At the end, I mean, we've been through
Speaker 5: every iteration of like AI machine learning about you know,
Speaker 5: what do we think the player needs? And then finally
Speaker 5: we sat down and we're like, why don't we just
Speaker 5: let the player tell us what they want to work on?
Speaker 5: Like this again, sometimes we solve problems that we don't have.
Speaker 5: We're like, oh my goodness, why didn't you just like
Speaker 5: start at square one. The tour is a little bit different,
Speaker 5: and I will always clarify, like the amateur golfer and
Speaker 5: the tour golfer are not playing the same sport as
Speaker 5: the three of us, understand. So with the tour guys,
Speaker 5: it's my job to kind of push and pull and say, yeah,
Speaker 5: I know you think you're about iron player, Actually not
Speaker 5: right now, let's spend a little bit more time on
Speaker 5: wedges and let's continue working that because those guys tend
Speaker 5: to be hyper reactive and ladies. I love my LPGA
Speaker 5: girls as well, where they tend to be a little
Speaker 5: bit more reactive to what just happened versus my six,
Speaker 5: twelve and eighteen pointh goals.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Nico, I find myself phoning victim to that, like
Speaker 3: recency bias, man play that one tournament, putted bat the
Speaker 3: last round or the last three holes.
Speaker 4: I'm like, I gotta, I gotta.
Speaker 2: On the planet. Hey, Marty, can I ask you a question?
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about, like, how do you
Speaker 1: go about as somebody that's competitive and has played this
Speaker 1: game for so long, how do you go about your practice?
Speaker 1: And I'm assuming it has changed over the years. I
Speaker 1: know you're one that's always kind of focused on how
Speaker 1: do you maximize every kind of minute you have in
Speaker 1: your life across the board? How have you how is
Speaker 1: your practice evolved changed? And how do you go about
Speaker 1: an hour on the range if you have that time
Speaker 1: on a Tuesday.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a great question. It's a never ending journey, Shane.
Speaker 3: So it's like it's not like I have like the
Speaker 3: magic or the secret formula for this. But I try
Speaker 3: to be very smart about practicing the most impactful parts
Speaker 3: of the game for whatever tournament or event that I
Speaker 3: have coming up. So like it's pretty you know, you
Speaker 3: know what course you have coming up, Niko. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: love getting into some stuff with you on preparing some
Speaker 3: tour players for some very specific courses. But I got
Speaker 3: a specific course, specific tournament coming up. I play some
Speaker 3: term as Shane in Arizona, where the driver's not that important.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be hitting my thriver, my three wood. It's
Speaker 3: gonna be all about wedges from ninety to one thirty.
Speaker 3: I'll put a lot of time in there. I'll measure it,
Speaker 3: launch monitor, and put a lot of focus to that.
Speaker 3: I always do like very simple maintenance on my putting,
Speaker 3: so like alignment, aims, start line, I call that kind
Speaker 3: of maintenance. It's more of the boring block practice you
Speaker 3: see all the tour players doing it, and then cycle
Speaker 3: it with plenty plenty of like meaningful intent, like randomized
Speaker 3: practice that has some results. I put some pressure on
Speaker 3: myself and I love playing like nine holes, like I'm
Speaker 3: the King of nine Holes. After work, sometimes I'll play
Speaker 3: like a worst ball thing out there format. When I
Speaker 3: was getting ready for some of the majors in my
Speaker 3: home course, Wildfire Shane, I would tee off. I would
Speaker 3: go to where my t shot went, literally drive one
Speaker 3: hundred yards, back, drop my ball and hit my second
Speaker 3: shot in from there. That was a pretty good representation
Speaker 3: of like Beth Page of wing. I was gonna say,
Speaker 3: that's like Bethpage Black two point out.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 3: You gotta get a little creative. I mean, that's the
Speaker 3: only way you can get to hit the five iron
Speaker 3: in there here in some of the Arizona golf.
Speaker 2: That's really really smart. I mean, you know, I think
Speaker 2: you know, Nico.
Speaker 1: To Marty's point is we've been twenty we've been twenty five,
Speaker 1: we've been thirty, right, and we just continue to go
Speaker 1: about our business.
Speaker 2: And you know, I'm Marty.
Speaker 1: Something I've tried to change personally is not sitting on
Speaker 1: the range hitting more than ten shots with one club.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So if I'm hitting ten eight irons, that's that's the
Speaker 1: max number I'm gonna hit with the single club, and
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna move on. Nico, when you've done a
Speaker 1: deep dive into this type of stuff, is there a
Speaker 1: number you put on the maximum amount of golf shots
Speaker 1: you'd be hitting with a single club or single shot.
Speaker 1: Do you do any of that where it's like this
Speaker 1: is enough of that club, let's move on.
Speaker 5: So two things, Marty, A number one slam duck like
Speaker 5: of all of that. And I also really want to
Speaker 5: highlight both of what you said about getting out of
Speaker 5: the golf course because this answers your question, Shane, we
Speaker 5: only get one shot. Well, theoretically you could pump a
Speaker 5: bunch of balls ob off the ta. You can get
Speaker 5: as many tries as you want. Believe me, I've been there.
Speaker 5: But on the course you're only really getting one shot
Speaker 5: at it. And so yes, the idea of random practice
Speaker 5: where you're just theoretically constantly cycling through it's not really realistic.
Speaker 5: So I don't necessarily have a number. So much as
Speaker 5: for my true tour sickos, I basically work them into
Speaker 5: two categories. It's either an outcome, so you need to
Speaker 5: hit ten seven irons at this target that start two
Speaker 5: yards left and they fade into the window, or for
Speaker 5: like my Mega Mega megacickos, I make them stop at
Speaker 5: a certain amount of time, so I might give them
Speaker 5: eight minutes or ten minutes to complete a task, because
Speaker 5: otherwise one of my players, in particular, who happen to
Speaker 5: be world number one, will stand there until his hands
Speaker 5: bleed and he will not do anything else until he's
Speaker 5: accomplished that goal. And when you realize why he's will
Speaker 5: number one. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. But
Speaker 5: in terms of again we keep going to that like
Speaker 5: high yield practice, we need them to move on from
Speaker 5: that task makes them amazing at what they do, but
Speaker 5: I still need you to go hit your freaking three
Speaker 5: wood for ten minutes, man, Like we're gonna have to
Speaker 5: hit that, Like Marty said a bunch of times at
Speaker 5: our next event, Let's make sure we're staying on.
Speaker 3: Task, Nico. I think one of the big AHA moments
Speaker 3: for me. I remember this, like yesterday. It was at
Speaker 3: the PGA Championship. I'm on the putting green and I'm
Speaker 3: doing my man kind of mindless practice I'm doing. I'm
Speaker 3: hitting my my straight in four footers and then I'm
Speaker 3: doing some blag putts and I remember Jordan Spieth was
Speaker 3: there and camera Cameron McCormick was guiding his practice and
Speaker 3: he had his his his watch out on his phone,
Speaker 3: you know, he had he had the timer going, and
Speaker 3: I heard him saying to Jordan, Okay, we got we
Speaker 3: got eight minutes left. And he's walking off and tell
Speaker 3: him what putts to hit and they're counting everything, they're
Speaker 3: codifying everything, and he was like, okay, he's got eight
Speaker 3: minutes left to box in his practice. And I was like, man,
Speaker 3: this is no wonder. These guys are different, you know.
Speaker 3: And but not everyone is like that, because I've had
Speaker 3: friends on tour that show up at the putting Green
Speaker 3: and they're like, oh, everyone's banging in straight putts, let
Speaker 3: me go do that. That must be what I need
Speaker 3: to do. And they're kind of lost as well. So
Speaker 3: even some of the tour players are kind of probably
Speaker 3: you know, kind of confused on what is the best
Speaker 3: way to spend that time, especially on the putting green.
Speaker 5: Right, totally tour pros. Like we said, they're normal human
Speaker 5: beings too, right, I wouldn't have a job if everyone
Speaker 5: was able to structure their own practice and be able
Speaker 5: to manage their time effectively. And I think one of
Speaker 5: the biggest things that Cameron, you know, Cameron's a friend
Speaker 5: and does great work with but Jordan is that being
Speaker 5: able to just allow that player's brain to turn off
Speaker 5: that they don't have to plan something. All they're doing
Speaker 5: is executing. Especially tournament week, your only jobs put the
Speaker 5: ball in the hole, have other people take care of
Speaker 5: all the distractions and get rid of all of the
Speaker 5: side things so that you just have a clear green
Speaker 5: light to executing. I'm going to do this, I'm going
Speaker 5: to do that, and then I'm going to go play.
Speaker 5: How relaxing would that be versus you know, the three
Speaker 5: of us were our own caddy and then we're doing this,
Speaker 5: and you know, I'm probably filming on Instagram video and
Speaker 5: thinking about whatever else I'm having for dinner that night,
Speaker 5: and then it's no wonder I go shoot seventy six. Right,
Speaker 5: It's a little bit of a different strategy, Marty.
Speaker 2: I ran into that at the Amateur last year. I
Speaker 2: remember that. I you know, I've.
Speaker 1: Played in tournaments and I've had I you know, I
Speaker 1: don't travel much for golf anymore like for golf tournament golf, Right,
Speaker 1: I mean, I just don't. I'm not gonna go travel much.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go maybe play two tournaments a year on
Speaker 1: the road. And I found myself to your point, Nico
Speaker 1: kind of looking around, you know, I look, I was
Speaker 1: looking around at other people what they were doing. And
Speaker 1: then I'd go back to the hotel thinking should I
Speaker 1: be back at the range? And I might go back
Speaker 1: to the range. But Nico, I think this is where
Speaker 1: golf blueprints started. In theory is even if I go
Speaker 1: back to the range, I have no plan. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go hit some shots and and and there's likelihood I
Speaker 1: might find something bad in the golf swing versus finding
Speaker 1: answers that I don't even know what I'm looking for.
Speaker 1: When you, guys, first, I wanted to ask when was
Speaker 1: the aha moment with a tour player? Like when did
Speaker 1: you have the first person that reached out to you
Speaker 1: guys and you were like, oh my goodness, this is
Speaker 1: somebody that matters. And when that when the steady stream
Speaker 1: started to come from the big time players and from
Speaker 1: people that mattered. How how stressful was that to lay
Speaker 1: out plans for these people that are at a level
Speaker 1: of golf most people don't understand.
Speaker 5: So I can tell you to two funny stories without names.
Speaker 5: So the first tor pro, that kind of big name
Speaker 5: we got in, he called us, we resumed him. He
Speaker 5: was in the drive through with his wife and we're like,
Speaker 5: what is going on, Like just the most classic like
Speaker 5: chaotic dude who just is the biggest free soul and
Speaker 5: the greatest human in the planet. And we're like, what
Speaker 5: do you do for practice? He's like, yo, God is
Speaker 5: my witness. He goes, well, I get there and I
Speaker 5: start with a five iron, and you know, if I
Speaker 5: hit a couple of good ones, I go play and
Speaker 5: I'm like, looking, I have this whole stats presentation everything.
Speaker 5: I'm like, I'm like pouring over the data, and I
Speaker 5: was like, hey man, you actually hopping to be number
Speaker 5: one last year on tour, from like one seventy five
Speaker 5: to two hundred, so you probably hit it pretty good
Speaker 5: most days of the five iron, right. He goes well, yeah,
Speaker 5: I go so you don't practice then, right? He goes well,
Speaker 5: not really, actually just cracked up where we're like, okay,
Speaker 5: like totally took the veil of like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 5: it's the tour into just all right. These are regular
Speaker 5: dudes who are really good at their job. And the
Speaker 5: second piece is is that first kind of big aha
Speaker 5: moment of this actually works. I always laugh. Everyone I've
Speaker 5: ever worked with is better than me at the game
Speaker 5: of golf. So everybody that I've worked with, I'm terrified
Speaker 5: of course that you know, hopefully this works, hopefully it will,
Speaker 5: hopefully it won't. And that's just confidence now in having
Speaker 5: done it for a couple of years, where you're like, hey,
Speaker 5: you know what, I think this first plan is going
Speaker 5: to be a good guess and I think that some
Speaker 5: of these games are gonna work for you. But more
Speaker 5: importantly the ones that don't, you need to tell me why,
Speaker 5: because on my end, look, we have the greatest hits.
Speaker 5: We met a T shirt. It was hilarious. It's Golf
Speaker 5: Blueprint's greatest hits with all of our game, and there's
Speaker 5: a really good chance that death taxes in the nine
Speaker 5: iron will clean up your short game. But for some
Speaker 5: players it might be a disaster, and we need to
Speaker 5: know why. And that kind of combo of having the
Speaker 5: confidence to send something and say I believe this is
Speaker 5: going to work, but also the mental elasticity to hear, hey, man,
Speaker 5: this one sucked and here's why, and not have the
Speaker 5: ego to judge that player, but just to listen, say
Speaker 5: all right, man, hey, tell me about why you know
Speaker 5: you didn't like it. Well, maybe they're working on a
Speaker 5: draw pattern with their coach and we gave them hit
Speaker 5: three fades and they just don't want to do it.
Speaker 5: Totally okay by.
Speaker 3: Me, Niko, Do you work with a lot of college
Speaker 3: teams high school teams? I mean this sounds like perfect
Speaker 3: for you know, if I'm on a golf team, you know,
Speaker 3: you show up to practice or your schedule is a
Speaker 3: little bit different with labs or things of that nature.
Speaker 3: How much work do you guys do with juniors or
Speaker 3: colleges high schools?
Speaker 5: So I'll separate juniors and colleges out a little bit.
Speaker 5: I do not work with juniors, and I'm very clear
Speaker 5: about that because I'm really afraid that if I'm not there,
Speaker 5: golf blueprint in the wrong hands is a disaster because
Speaker 5: for a parent who takes this to the extreme, they're
Speaker 5: going to blow past my ten minute you know, time
Speaker 5: meter and that kid. I don't want a kid to
Speaker 5: be stuck there doing a drill for three hours when
Speaker 5: it's only meant to be ten minutes. So, Kevin, I
Speaker 5: made a decision very early on that, Hey, listen, we're
Speaker 5: not going to do juniors. If a parent buys it
Speaker 5: for their kid, obviously great. We hope that they follow
Speaker 5: the directions. The last thing I want is for someone
Speaker 5: in ten years to play on tour and be like, dude,
Speaker 5: you maybe do those drills forever. I'm like, no, dude,
Speaker 5: it was the opposite. But yeah, we have some great
Speaker 5: relationships with college teams. Those are grown Those are grown
Speaker 5: men and grown women who are able to hopefully manage
Speaker 5: their time. And that's more of a consulting thing that
Speaker 5: we do for fun, not necessarily a part of the business,
Speaker 5: just more as you know, we've made some great inroads
Speaker 5: with college coaches.
Speaker 2: Nico.
Speaker 1: You mentioned the hit shirt, and I don't want you
Speaker 1: to get two deep in the weeks because obviously you
Speaker 1: want people to go out and and some describe and
Speaker 1: buy golf Blueprint, But can you just maybe lay out
Speaker 1: a couple of the most popular programs you guys give
Speaker 1: to players. What that might look like to not a
Speaker 1: professional player, but maybe a single digit handicap or somebody
Speaker 1: that's a twelve thirteen handicap trying to improve totally.
Speaker 5: And I will also preface this by saying I'm not
Speaker 5: a great businessman, and then I give everything away on
Speaker 5: my Instagram. So if you're if you're falling out private,
Speaker 5: you can follow up. You've probably seen enough golf blueprints
Speaker 5: or my daily posts to just watch what I'm doing.
Speaker 5: So I always clarify that to people that if money
Speaker 5: is an issue, shoot us an email. We'd love to
Speaker 5: help you. Like, we didn't get into the golf business
Speaker 5: to make money. This was keV had another job at
Speaker 5: another job. We did it because we loved it, and
Speaker 5: we also then created a business out of it. So
Speaker 5: I always clarify that piece. But the most important games
Speaker 5: that I found at the tour level are wedge play,
Speaker 5: because especially for super high speed guys, they have a
Speaker 5: hard time dumping that speed. I know, Marty and I've
Speaker 5: talked a lot about ball speed, and everyone wants to
Speaker 5: drive the Ferrari down the Autobahn at two hundred, nobody
Speaker 5: wants to drive it in a school zone at thirty five,
Speaker 5: where there's massive consequences, and that's wedge play. So the
Speaker 5: tours wedge play. We talk a lot about that. The amateurs.
Speaker 5: We find a ton of gains in short game and
Speaker 5: driving those obviously approach plays. Huge wedges are huge. Putting's huge,
Speaker 5: but getting someone to be able to drive the ball
Speaker 5: accurately enough enough is the keyword as an amateur, and
Speaker 5: then be able to just kind of clean up the
Speaker 5: short game. Not good, not great. So for example, a
Speaker 5: driving game for those people at home. You pick two
Speaker 5: targets out in the air roughly sixty yards and hit
Speaker 5: ten balls. See how many you hit and play. I mean,
Speaker 5: these are the most basic ground level things you can
Speaker 5: do when you're chipping. Hit three balls, how many of
Speaker 5: them were within six feet? You know, fifty to fifty.
Speaker 5: So these are all the kind of things that you
Speaker 5: can do at home without ever subscribing to golf blueprint
Speaker 5: that I hope someone would take away from social media
Speaker 5: or a podcast like.
Speaker 3: This and Nico, those are great. They don't require a
Speaker 3: launch monitor, any measurement stuff. I mean, you can go
Speaker 3: to any range, any chip and green do these things right.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, And a launch monitor is a huge barrier to entry.
Speaker 5: I'm fortunate to work with a launch monitor company. I
Speaker 5: know how expensive they are. I know how expensive all
Speaker 5: these things are, and more importantly, how expensive are range balls.
Speaker 5: I went to a public course the other day in
Speaker 5: South Florida and paid twenty dollars for seventy balls. Of
Speaker 5: those seventy balls. Probably ten of them were rocks, yea,
Speaker 5: you know the other twenty of them didn't fly straight.
Speaker 5: And so you sit there and you say to people like, well,
Speaker 5: how can I get better? You need to be able
Speaker 5: to maximize your time. And I always say this, chipping
Speaker 5: and putting's free. You know, you could show up to
Speaker 5: a place chip and putt and you can get really
Speaker 5: good at that for no cost.
Speaker 3: My kids and I would just watch the Full Swing
Speaker 3: episode with Tony Fee now and there and he went
Speaker 3: to his house in Utah and that you know, his
Speaker 3: dad's like they went to see his garage, had all
Speaker 3: the dings in it, and he would hit balls all week.
Speaker 4: Couldn't afford rain and be like, hey, every Sunday we
Speaker 4: go chip and putt. It was free.
Speaker 5: Love it. Love that because it's a huge barrier to
Speaker 5: entry unfortunately for people. Yeah, there's things that are changing
Speaker 5: that with eGolf and sim golf and whatnot, but as
Speaker 5: it stands right now, you know, driving range balls can
Speaker 5: be expensive at a public place.
Speaker 2: And not getting cheaper.
Speaker 1: I mean I find you know, Marty, you know it's
Speaker 1: so interesting and I mean, obviously you know you live
Speaker 1: in Phoenix.
Speaker 2: I was talking to my uncle.
Speaker 1: A couple of weeks ago, we were talking about the
Speaker 1: Driving Range and how it feels like the range that
Speaker 1: we knew, Marty, that's a range with grass that has
Speaker 1: a lot of targets, maybe has green targets that they
Speaker 1: mow down. It feels like that's kind of dying a bit.
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of this is going the technological route,
Speaker 1: where you know it's kind of got you know, top
Speaker 1: tracer things like that, which are great and very fun.
Speaker 1: But for a golfer that's trying to find answers in
Speaker 1: the dirt, they're not always the best places to go.
Speaker 1: I think about Dobson Ranch, Marty, all the time. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you think about the old Dobson Ranch range, it
Speaker 1: was awesome. You get the jumbo bucket, it was like
Speaker 1: eleven bucks. You go out there and hit it a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of targets, and now it's really it's rather
Speaker 1: expensive to go there, and most of the time you're
Speaker 1: hitting off Matt So Niko, I think your point about, Hey,
Speaker 1: the short game is where you.
Speaker 2: Can save the most strokes on the planet. We all
Speaker 2: know that.
Speaker 1: But if you can go out there and spend half
Speaker 1: an hour to your point you're somebody that has a
Speaker 1: job and they have children, and they don't have all
Speaker 1: the time in the world, but they subscribe to Golf
Speaker 1: Blueprint and you give them a lesson plan for half
Speaker 1: an hour week on the short game. You can go
Speaker 1: do that basically anywhere, even if the greens aren't great.
Speaker 1: You can go out there and actually work on certain
Speaker 1: things and see how the results come about.
Speaker 5: Totally Nico.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna ask you a selfish question here, what protocol,
Speaker 3: what type of protocol or practice or gamification would you
Speaker 3: do for a player who gets really nervous on the
Speaker 3: first tea? Because I know you've done some research with
Speaker 3: breath work, heart rate variability, how to calm your nervous
Speaker 3: system or ramp it up on purpose in practice? Right,
Speaker 3: tell us a little bit about your work in that space,
Speaker 3: and maybe some tips, tricks or ideas for folks out
Speaker 3: there that might.
Speaker 4: Get a little shaky on that first shot.
Speaker 5: Oh boy, let me tell you, my hands chatter every day,
Speaker 5: doesn't matter, they especially over that first three foot little slider.
Speaker 5: Maybe it's inside, old boy. So it all started for
Speaker 5: me a couple of years ago with one of my
Speaker 5: tour players, and they were wearing a whoop band. I
Speaker 5: have a partnership with them, so free ads on that behalf.
Speaker 5: I will always clarify. And I was watching his heart
Speaker 5: rate over a six footer with a chance to tie,
Speaker 5: and this put would have changed his life. He had
Speaker 5: a chance to tie. He didn't have a lot of status,
Speaker 5: and he didn't sniff the cup. And I looked back
Speaker 5: and it was one hundred and forty six over that
Speaker 5: six foot putt, and I was like, whoa, wait a second,
Speaker 5: you know there's something here. And in Phoenix, one of
Speaker 5: my closest friends was Special Forces and I was telling
Speaker 5: him the story and he was like, dude, we used
Speaker 5: to do heart rate work all the time. And it
Speaker 5: just kicked off this basically year long deep dive of
Speaker 5: researching every single thing that I possibly could on the
Speaker 5: correlation between heart rate and performance and where do where
Speaker 5: does the the basic X Y axis For those of
Speaker 5: you who aren't listening, my fingers are in an X
Speaker 5: Y axis of Okay, we know that we can't perform
Speaker 5: at sixty hard. Your heart rate at sixty is not
Speaker 5: going to perform. You're just you're not in competition. You're
Speaker 5: probably sitting on your couch but we also know that
Speaker 5: at one hundred and fifty you start to lose control
Speaker 5: of your fingertips, that they go a little bit numb.
Speaker 5: Things start to change, you know, your decision making starts
Speaker 5: to cloud. And so it was essentially trying to figure
Speaker 5: out through just massive trial and error of doing it
Speaker 5: on myself, jamming my heart rate up with burpies, listening
Speaker 5: to metal music at full blast, and just really uncomfortable
Speaker 5: hours and hours and hours on the range of figuring
Speaker 5: out not only where do I play, but then what
Speaker 5: can I replicate for other players so that they can
Speaker 5: try their best, because it's never going to be the same, right.
Speaker 5: But I always use the analogy we take a seventeen
Speaker 5: eighteen year old kid off the street and two years
Speaker 5: later they become a functioning Navy seal. Why is it
Speaker 5: that we don't believe that in golf you can go
Speaker 5: from having never played to being able to perform. You
Speaker 5: could train someone to perform. Essentially, I always say, by
Speaker 5: keeping your finger over the flame, you'll start to go numb.
Speaker 5: And for me, every single person that I play with
Speaker 5: is better than me at golf every single day. They're
Speaker 5: all tour pros, that's who I play with, and I
Speaker 5: got tired of freaking out every day over those three footers,
Speaker 5: and I said to myself, yes, I want to get
Speaker 5: better mentally, I want to get better physically, But what's
Speaker 5: this kind of third missing piece that I don't quite understand?
Speaker 5: How come I freak out every single day? And finally
Speaker 5: I just got to the point where I said, you
Speaker 5: know what, I can't change it. I'm gonna accept it. Now.
Speaker 5: I look at things as a bell curve. Ten to
Speaker 5: twenty days a year, I am flushing it. I slept
Speaker 5: eight hours, I had a great breakfast, Everything went right.
Speaker 5: My favorite song was on the radio. Ten to twenty
Speaker 5: days a year. My arms feel like an octopus. I
Speaker 5: hit nothing but Al hose L's and oh dear, life
Speaker 5: is a disaster. Most days are somewhere in the middle.
Speaker 5: How do we manage that day to day?
Speaker 1: In golf, Marty, I wanted to ask, Uh, what's the
Speaker 1: most nervous you've ever been on the first tea? What's
Speaker 1: the most nervous first tea in your life?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 5: It was.
Speaker 3: Twenty eleven PGA Championship first t shot, and it's because
Speaker 3: I went into that event.
Speaker 4: Shane.
Speaker 3: The course, the course, was tough Atlanta Athletic Club. Like
Speaker 3: there's holes with water, some holes. The course is obviously
Speaker 3: very long and penalizing. I didn't sleep good the night before.
Speaker 4: I wasn't.
Speaker 3: I wasn't particularly hitting it good in my practice rounds.
Speaker 3: Obviously that could change, but I was like, I just
Speaker 3: I was a nervous wreck. And I get on that
Speaker 3: first tee and it's not a driver hole. It's like
Speaker 3: you got to turn a three wood. I really wish
Speaker 3: I had my driver.
Speaker 4: I'm my driver. Oh gosh, it was. It was all
Speaker 4: day long.
Speaker 3: I kept thinking, how can I hit a driver on
Speaker 3: this hole? It's just not a driver and so that
Speaker 3: was the kicker. So I had to hit a three
Speaker 3: when I blocked it over in the right raugh hitting
Speaker 3: the bunker made a bogie. Oh man, But that.
Speaker 4: Was the.
Speaker 5: Is the scariest shot in golf. You're on the first tea.
Speaker 5: I was talking to one of my tour guys who
Speaker 5: played in the Brookline Open, and same story for him,
Speaker 5: first major, getting up there, just shaking, and he said
Speaker 5: he hit a driver off the shaft, and I mean
Speaker 5: he said he didn't get any of the club face,
Speaker 5: and he's like, dude, I think I hit this thing
Speaker 5: two hundred and thirty six yards and everyone clapped and
Speaker 5: I was like, goodness, gracious, get me out of here, Marty.
Speaker 2: This is the Thriver. I mean, this is one of
Speaker 2: the River's the plane. It's just like one of the
Speaker 2: first teams.
Speaker 1: By the way, Marty, I don't know if you deal
Speaker 1: with this, but a few a few days ago, I
Speaker 1: was playing with a friend of mine could not understand
Speaker 1: the Thriver thing, and then every time I hit the
Speaker 1: Thriver he would he could never get which one was?
Speaker 1: Which did you get to pick? There was at the driver.
Speaker 1: I just want to almost get like the Bubba Pink
Speaker 1: one for my driver, so people will like truly understand
Speaker 1: the difference. But I guarantee you, since we've started this podcast, Marty,
Speaker 1: I think I've personally sold fifty Thrivers because once once
Speaker 1: people understand the benefit of not having it three with
Speaker 1: when you don't want to throw it off the team.
Speaker 1: But dude, that Marty, that makes me nervous thinking about it.
Speaker 1: It's like first t shots, super nervy, like playing the
Speaker 1: Amutur last year. First holl was Colorado Golf Club six
Speaker 1: fifty par five. It's like, listen, I get to swing
Speaker 1: as hard as I can out of at least I
Speaker 1: know that I know I can at least do this,
Speaker 1: and that's the that's the that's the good thing, Nico.
Speaker 1: I want to go back to tour players for just
Speaker 1: a moment, because you get a tour player that approaches
Speaker 1: you about golf Blueprint. Then you see success with a
Speaker 1: tour player that's using golf blueprint. What's the you don't
Speaker 1: have the name names, but like, what's the biggest compliment
Speaker 1: you've received from the highest level of player about what
Speaker 1: you've done for their mental game or physical game, or
Speaker 1: just the way they've gone about like off weeks or
Speaker 1: spending time in their game.
Speaker 5: The biggest compliment ever was watching an interview and someone
Speaker 5: asked a question about a really particular knee high shot
Speaker 5: at a very famous golf club in Georgia that has
Speaker 5: played typically in April.
Speaker 2: Okay, never heard of it, Yeah, never heard of it.
Speaker 5: And the guy said, I've hit that shot before in
Speaker 5: practice for the last two months, and I'm getting to
Speaker 5: hear that was so freaking cool and just be able
Speaker 5: to go wow, dude. That translated like when a pro
Speaker 5: says I've hit that shot that's everything Like that is
Speaker 5: so rewarding because, like Marty said, you you plan out
Speaker 5: your weeks and we all plan like, all right, I'm
Speaker 5: gonna hit it here, I'm gonna hit it there. Well,
Speaker 5: I'm not that good at executing, and so sometimes I do,
Speaker 5: but they often do. And so to be able to
Speaker 5: plan and then execute on your game plan is just
Speaker 5: so rewarding. Everyone who's played a round of golf where
Speaker 5: you know you're looking where you're hitting it. God, what
Speaker 5: a good feeling and how fun is the game when
Speaker 5: when you're doing that.
Speaker 3: I think about this Nico that you know, I think,
Speaker 3: day in and day out, if there wasn't that tournament
Speaker 3: in April and augusta, you know, I think your your
Speaker 3: average tour player could go through the rest of the
Speaker 3: year hitting the balls straight, hitting a little cut, but
Speaker 3: that one tournament there is you know, demands and the
Speaker 3: tour players have you they literally have all winter to
Speaker 3: think about that, you know, if that's their penultimate goal
Speaker 3: is to win the Masters, there are specific shots you
Speaker 3: need to pull off there, right, absolutely, So how do
Speaker 3: you weave that in like preparing one of the best
Speaker 3: players in the world, whether it's for that tournament, or
Speaker 3: another one weave in where they have to practice a
Speaker 3: certain shot but not overdo it, Like if I were
Speaker 3: practicing for Augusta. It's not like I'm going to hit
Speaker 3: draws all day long and change my whole pattern.
Speaker 4: Raws. You just need it a couple times, right, how
Speaker 4: do you weave that? Weave that in?
Speaker 5: So there's two ways to look at it. There's the
Speaker 5: way that you can struct your practice so that let's
Speaker 5: say three months out, two months out, a month out,
Speaker 5: a couple of weeks out. That's a huge and easy
Speaker 5: way to do it so that you essentially just ramp up.
Speaker 2: It's like Madill exactly.
Speaker 5: Same same deal, where you're gonna say, all right, you
Speaker 5: know we're gonna spend a little extra time on three
Speaker 5: woods a thriver for that course would be amazing. Being
Speaker 5: able to turn it, love, I think you sold fifty one.
Speaker 5: I'm free to get one after this.
Speaker 2: Come on, come on, I know it, guy. I know
Speaker 2: a guy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I think we know a guy. So
Speaker 5: be able to manage that and then essentially understanding like
Speaker 5: where's that player at on tour? Are they world number one?
Speaker 5: Who can focus on the majors? Because this is going
Speaker 5: to be a shocker to people at home. The week
Speaker 5: two weeks are important, but the majors matter most when
Speaker 5: you're at that level. Now, if you're number one twenty
Speaker 5: five and you need to get inside that top seventy five,
Speaker 5: all of a sudden, the off week, you know, the
Speaker 5: opposite field event that is your major because you need
Speaker 5: to perform. You don't have the ability to say, you
Speaker 5: know what, two shots inside the cut line and I'm
Speaker 5: gonna work that draw right here. You can't do that
Speaker 5: because you need to perform. Every day is the single
Speaker 5: most important event of your life when you're playing for
Speaker 5: your life every day. So it's understanding where that player's
Speaker 5: at and then their own risk tolerance, right because, like
Speaker 5: you said, they don't just hit one yard fades. I
Speaker 5: know it's going to be shocking out there to people
Speaker 5: at home, but they're not robots. People work the ball
Speaker 5: both ways. And what's the individual player's risk tolerance to say,
Speaker 5: you know what, I know in a couple months, I'm
Speaker 5: gonna have to hit this one. Let's work on that now.
Speaker 5: I've seen that shot and every round is important. But
Speaker 5: to the best players in the world, you have a
Speaker 5: little bit more luxury and being able to play with
Speaker 5: a shot here, play with a shot there.
Speaker 1: Uh Nico, I want to I want to ask about
Speaker 1: the everyday golfer and just the plan. You know, somebody
Speaker 1: who's listening to this podcast, they want to sign up
Speaker 1: for Golf Blueprint. How far out are you structuring plans
Speaker 1: for people that are the everyday golfer, not the tour
Speaker 1: pro that want to be a part of this. Is
Speaker 1: this like weeks in advance, months in advance, Like how
Speaker 1: far out are your structuring their plans for their practice?
Speaker 5: Yeah, so when they first sign up, they're able to
Speaker 5: just fill out a questionnaire and again kind of tell
Speaker 5: us what they want, right, what do you want out
Speaker 5: of this? Because at the end of the day, learner
Speaker 5: empowered instruction is just, in my opinion, the way to go.
Speaker 5: If I was going to go get a guitar lesson,
Speaker 5: I want to learn how to play Metallica. I don't
Speaker 5: want to learn how to play you know, classic rock whatever.
Speaker 5: I want to learn Metallica. And so we always say
Speaker 5: to people like, tell us what you want. That's huge,
Speaker 5: and then give us the more information that you have.
Speaker 5: If you have access to a launch ponditor, if you
Speaker 5: have access to stats. If you have a handicap, tell us,
Speaker 5: tell us what you're good at, tell us what you
Speaker 5: struggle at, and then that first month will give them
Speaker 5: essentially our best guess. We always like to say that
Speaker 5: by the end of month three we're typically pretty good
Speaker 5: and dialed in. But that's where we can really start
Speaker 5: to dial that upp a more and say, okay, hey, look,
Speaker 5: you know you want a little more short game. Fine,
Speaker 5: we'll tweak that algorithm to give you that. But also
Speaker 5: we have to understand that human beings are poor self assent,
Speaker 5: and at the end of the day, our job is
Speaker 5: to hold the reins of that and say, look, we
Speaker 5: know you, all of a sudden you figured out your driver,
Speaker 5: but we're not going to stop hitting drivers now and
Speaker 5: just go all to work on putters, because we do
Speaker 5: that as human beings, right, We over emphasize one area
Speaker 5: of the game, and then all of a sudden we
Speaker 5: forget about how to hit a seven iron and now
Speaker 5: we need to hit a seven iron on a part three.
Speaker 5: So it's that kind of push pull that that we
Speaker 5: work really hard on the amateur side with to work
Speaker 5: with them more importantly on their goals outcome and process.
Speaker 4: Niko, if you could give advice to.
Speaker 3: Fifteen year old golfer, you know, just maybe just giving
Speaker 3: giving up a couple of his other sports basketball, baseball,
Speaker 3: and wants to go all in on golf.
Speaker 4: What tips would you give? Would you give like a
Speaker 4: youngster out there?
Speaker 5: Oh that's a good question. Uh, I'm gonna take this
Speaker 5: from a speed perspective with you guys and stacks, tons
Speaker 5: of tour guys at Stack get fast number one, because
Speaker 5: when we're evaluating players, basically, speed is a yes or no.
Speaker 5: Do you have X amount of ball speed or do
Speaker 5: you not? Now there's some dudes that play at one
Speaker 5: fifty five, one sixty on tour. They are anomalies. If
Speaker 5: you have one hundred and eighty nine hour ball speed,
Speaker 5: life is just easier. It's just easier to play on tour. Now.
Speaker 5: There's also a bell curve on the other end, something
Speaker 5: we can talk about. But for that kid, I would say,
Speaker 5: remaining athletic is so freaking important. If you could play
Speaker 5: other sports, great. All the parents want to specialize their
Speaker 5: kids at nine, ten, eleven years old. It freaks me
Speaker 5: out personally. I think you lose a lot of athleticism
Speaker 5: and I think you gain a lot in playing other sports. Now,
Speaker 5: if you're going to go be world number one at seventeen,
Speaker 5: hey man, I understand that. But if you're going to
Speaker 5: play college golf, be clear about your own goals. Hey,
Speaker 5: my goal is to play Division one college golf. Great,
Speaker 5: there's also Division two, there's Division three, there's a NAIA,
Speaker 5: there's JUCO. Playing Division one. Isn't the end all be off?
Speaker 5: You don't go to the number one school in the country.
Speaker 5: That's okay golf. You can make it in a million
Speaker 5: different ways. To me, I would advise them to fall
Speaker 5: in love with the game and more importantly, fall in
Speaker 5: love with the process, because being good at sixteen is cool.
Speaker 5: You make a lot more money at twenty six now
Speaker 5: with nil. Hey man, I don't know. There's a h Yeah, listen,
Speaker 5: there's a bunch of dieteen yearls that drive lambos. So
Speaker 5: maybe I'm an old boomer, but my advice is, hey, listen,
Speaker 5: you're gonna win a lot of majors at twenty six.
Speaker 5: Try to develop and learn skills, take risks. It's okay
Speaker 5: to hit the ball both ways. It's okay to swing
Speaker 5: as hard as you can and miss with a driver,
Speaker 5: It's okay to try that crazy flop shot when you're fifteen.
Speaker 5: I want to see someone who can develop, because by
Speaker 5: the time you get to me, I don't work with kids.
Speaker 5: I work with the best players in the world. By
Speaker 5: the time you get to me, those days are over.
Speaker 5: Now it's your job. Now it's a grind, and you're
Speaker 5: coming to me trying to have fun, enjoy it with
Speaker 5: your buddies, spend the extra hour. You know, you don't
Speaker 5: know any responsibilities, you know, owt any bills. Mom and
Speaker 5: dad are paying for your entry fee. Life is pretty
Speaker 5: good at that age.
Speaker 1: I think your point is such a great one, Niko,
Speaker 1: about you know, you might have goals if you don't
Speaker 1: check that box, don't give up. Maybe now you got
Speaker 1: to just adjust. Maybe maybe you got to adjust what
Speaker 1: you're going to do here and there. And there are
Speaker 1: different paths to this, right, and I think that's what
Speaker 1: makes every sport cool. You know, when those those NFL
Speaker 1: offenses will list off the colleges to start the game,
Speaker 1: it's not all Baama, LSU in Texas, right, you got
Speaker 1: North Dakota State. You know, you got these random colleges
Speaker 1: that will pop in. You know, from time to time,
Speaker 1: and it's just a reminder that you can get there
Speaker 1: down a different road.
Speaker 2: You might just have to work a little bit harder
Speaker 2: down that road.
Speaker 5: Totally. Yeah, there's there's a million opportunities in golf. There's
Speaker 5: an interesting question that I've heard a really famous I've
Speaker 5: heard Claude Harmon say to mini tour guys a lot
Speaker 5: and he'll ask them, He'll say, why aren't you playing
Speaker 5: on the tour And they'll give a million different reasons
Speaker 5: and I need to do this, and he goes, no,
Speaker 5: you're not playing on tours. You're not good enough. We
Speaker 5: have Monday qualifiers and you can show up and play.
Speaker 5: This isn't like the MLB or NFL draft to where
Speaker 5: you have to play at a certain school, get drafted,
Speaker 5: go to the combine. There's nothing holding you back from
Speaker 5: going and shooting sixty one and playing in the big
Speaker 5: leagues that week. Think about it. I can't go to
Speaker 5: a baseball game, have a sick home run derby batting
Speaker 5: practice and you know, back forth behind John Carlos Stanton Like,
Speaker 5: it doesn't work that way. But in golf we still
Speaker 5: have the most amazing democratic process of a Monday qualifier.
Speaker 5: If you can afford the couple hundred bucks, which by
Speaker 5: the way, I think is way too high. But that's
Speaker 5: neither here nor there. And you could show up and play.
Speaker 5: You get to play on tour. That is the most
Speaker 5: amazing thing in the world to me, And I think
Speaker 5: it freaks me out that kids have. If I don't
Speaker 5: do this, then I'm done. No, man, you always have
Speaker 5: the opportunity to play professional golf. There's nothing stopping you.
Speaker 5: It's objective. If you could shoot the score, you get
Speaker 5: to play.
Speaker 1: I think it's the line from Tim Cupbardy. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like like I mean, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go out and try to get into the
Speaker 1: US Open, right, I mean if my score is better
Speaker 1: than you, and it it's golf can be so intimidating,
Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, it is so
Speaker 1: silly that it is that simple, right Marty. It's like,
Speaker 1: if I shoot sixty seven and you shoot sixty at eight,
Speaker 1: I beat you.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter who you are.
Speaker 1: Now you're better than me, So you're gonna shoot better
Speaker 1: than me almost every time. But I put in the
Speaker 1: time and the work, and I find a plan, and
Speaker 1: I find the right equipment and stuff that fits me,
Speaker 1: and I literally invest in what I want to become.
Speaker 1: There might be an opportunity there for me to become
Speaker 1: that one day.
Speaker 4: Yep. I love Nico fall in love with the process. Man.
Speaker 3: I just it reminds me of you know, Victor. You know,
Speaker 3: is that his ups and downs and highs and lows.
Speaker 3: But you can see how much he just loves the process,
Speaker 3: you know, and so.
Speaker 1: Loves the heavy metal too. Nico was saying, try to
Speaker 1: get that hard going. I know, you gotta get this
Speaker 1: the beats going in the headphone, dude.
Speaker 5: So a funny thing for me is I figured out
Speaker 5: very quickly I actually like metals, so it had a
Speaker 5: reverse effect. And then I started listening to jazz, which
Speaker 5: just was the worst for me. Chams my art, right,
Speaker 5: I get all cranky, start hitting chunk wedges and thin
Speaker 5: in three woods. I'm a mess out there with jazz.
Speaker 2: Everybody's calming down at jazz, and you're just like you're
Speaker 2: at your end. You're like, I have done, Nico.
Speaker 1: Let people know where they can check out, you know,
Speaker 1: what you guys are doing, How they can get involved plans,
Speaker 1: they can look at what's kind of the process for
Speaker 1: somebody lifting into the podcast.
Speaker 5: So easiest way to find us is social at golf Underscore,
Speaker 5: Underscore Blueprint. I am responding to all the messages. For
Speaker 5: better or worse, you're gonna get me. If you send
Speaker 5: us an email, you're gonna get the professor keV golf
Speaker 5: blueprint dot com. And please reach out to us. I
Speaker 5: always say to people. I live in Jupiter, I travel
Speaker 5: a lot. If you see me on the range, come
Speaker 5: up and talk to me, Come say hi. And if
Speaker 5: you see someone who's who's better than you at the range,
Speaker 5: they're probably stoked to talk to you as well. So
Speaker 5: I always trying to tell that people like please reach
Speaker 5: out to me. However, I can help you whatever whatever
Speaker 5: we can do to to make golf more fun, because
Speaker 5: at the end of the day, like like we talked about,
Speaker 5: if you're having more fun, you'll practice more. If you
Speaker 5: practice more, you're probably gonna play a little better.
Speaker 1: I think the I think the point on asking people
Speaker 1: questions is, you know, it's an intimidating thing even as
Speaker 1: an adult.
Speaker 2: The kind of going back to the gym analogy.
Speaker 1: You know, you can go up to the biggest most
Speaker 1: jack guy in the planet. If he's at the gym,
Speaker 1: and if you're asking that guy what they're doing, I've
Speaker 1: done it plenty of times in my life. They will
Speaker 1: give you an honest answer. They're not gonna look at
Speaker 1: you like you're an idiot. They're they're actually to help
Speaker 1: you because you're interested in what they're doing, because you
Speaker 1: obviously are seeing whatever gains they're getting out of that.
Speaker 1: And the same thing can be said at the golf course.
Speaker 1: You know, you go up to somebody that's working on
Speaker 1: something that are hitting the ball great or you know,
Speaker 1: is really good, like I mean, Marty. There are these
Speaker 1: stories of VJ seeing helping out these young players that
Speaker 1: are up and coming trying to make it on the tour,
Speaker 1: and the stories are excellent, but it's also part of
Speaker 1: what golf. What makes golf so great is it does
Speaker 1: feel like people are willing to help out. I mean,
Speaker 1: remember Steve Stricker giving tips to Tiger about the putting.
Speaker 1: You think about Rory this year telling Scottie to go
Speaker 1: to the mallet, Like even the best in the world
Speaker 1: will help out the other best in the world. It
Speaker 1: might don't work out great for everybody else that they
Speaker 1: start winning everything, but it seems like people are are
Speaker 1: open and willing to talk, so I love that Nico,
Speaker 1: and I love what you guys are doing.
Speaker 2: It's super cool.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your time on the POT.
Speaker 1: I hope people check out golf. We're going to help
Speaker 1: people get something out of this, so thank you so much.
Speaker 5: Appreciate you guys, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2: This is the Ping Driven Grounds podcast.
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