WEBVTT - Episode 58: Golf Blueprint (Feat. Dr. Nico Darras) 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:02.400 The guys from paying They've kind of showed me how 0:00:02.480 --> 0:00:03.880 much the equipment matters. 0:00:04.160 --> 0:00:06.000 I just love that I can hit any shot I 0:00:06.080 --> 0:00:06.640 kind of want. 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:08.520 We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:10.680 what goes on here to help golfers play better golf. 0:00:11.400 --> 0:00:13.960 Hey, everybody, welcome back to the Ping prooven Grounds podcast. 0:00:14.040 --> 0:00:16.880 I'm Shane Bak and joined us always by Marty Jertsen. Marty, 0:00:17.000 --> 0:00:21.840 We've got someone that I think has like level IQ 0:00:22.079 --> 0:00:23.600 to you on the podcast today. 0:00:23.640 --> 0:00:25.400 Is that is that fair to say? Are we okay 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:25.800 saying that? 0:00:25.840 --> 0:00:26.120 Marty? 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:29.280 Nico and I have had some fun conversations. Shane, this 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:30.400 is gonna be a fun one, brother. 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:31.120 Yeah. 0:00:31.200 --> 0:00:33.959 I mean, I you know, it's a company I'm very 0:00:33.960 --> 0:00:36.200 interested in. I've I've heard about it over the years. 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:39.120 Nico Daris is with us from Golf Blueprint and Nico 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:43.040 first and foremost. I think for people that don't know 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:47.320 what Golf Blueprint is, can you just kind of explain 0:00:47.400 --> 0:00:49.600 it like you're explain it to somebody at a holiday party, 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:51.320 Like what do you do when you tell them what 0:00:51.360 --> 0:00:51.639 you do? 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:55.080 So whenever that happens, I always say to him, how 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:57.320 long do you have? First and foremost, because that's really 0:00:57.440 --> 0:00:58.160 that's really the case. 0:00:58.160 --> 0:00:59.680 This is the Internet, babe. You can go as long 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:00.040 as you. 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:04.280 Of course, So the thirty thousand foot super quick one is. 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:07.360 Golf Blueprint is a data and analytics company. I started 0:01:07.440 --> 0:01:11.039 with a friend named doctor Kevin Moore, and originally I 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:13.440 started out as his student. Kind of a funny story 0:01:13.440 --> 0:01:15.920 about how we met through a podcast Andy's I know 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:18.440 he's a friend of all of ours on the Frida 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:21.240 Egg and started off as a student. I was a 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:25.640 first semester doctoral student at Education and basically shot him 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:28.119 a cold email said, hey, man, I'm new to golf. 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:30.600 I've been playing two years at that point, playing the 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:32.440 mini tours, and I need help because I'm tired of 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:37.040 getting absolutely waxed in Arizona. Needless to say, shooting seventy 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:40.319 two on the Outlaw Tour wasn't getting it done, and 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:43.479 so Kevi and I started GV together. We have clients 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:45.959 all around the world. We worked with everything from you 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:49.160 know typically like the highest range is like twenty ish handicap, 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:50.760 that's what we like to say, all the way down 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:53.040 to the best players in the world. And we designed 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:56.480 practice plans. That's our main bread and butter. So taking 0:01:56.520 --> 0:01:59.080 what someone does well, whether it's through a questionnaire. Obviously 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:02.200 the tour guys are completely different with super hands on, 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:04.960 but for the average member, they fill out a questionnaire 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:07.680 and then from that questionnaire we try to deduce down 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:10.720 essentially areas of the game that they can improve in 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:13.520 super high yield stuff that if you're a dad, if 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:15.280 you're you know, a mom, you have an hour a week, 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:17.560 two hours a week you can try to get better 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:19.560 and more importantly have a little fun nak. 0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:21.800 I think that's such an important problem to be solved. 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:26.079 I think every golfer is faced with this dilemma where 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:28.320 you have maybe you have twenty minutes before you go 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:33.120 play to practice. Maybe you're like getting into it, you're 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:36.600 a scratch golfer, your club and you're putting in three 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:38.880 to four hour, three to four good hours a week. 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:41.160 It's like what do you do with that time? Right? 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:44.679 So that's basically what Golf Blueprint is doing is trying 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:48.160 to maximize, like you said, the yield or like how 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:50.040 do you structure your time, which I think a lot 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:52.520 of golfers are, even the best players in the world, 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:54.720 which I love to get some stories about that from 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:57.760 you are struggle with that problem, right totally. 0:02:57.800 --> 0:02:59.760 So one thing I think that we all understand and 0:02:59.800 --> 0:03:01.880 work around and being with tour guys is they're just 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:04.760 regular people who happen to be freaks at hitting golf balls. 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:07.320 They struggle with the same things, right, They have lives, 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:09.639 they have kids, And as much as everyone has read 0:03:09.680 --> 0:03:12.200 the story of you know, the most famous golfer in 0:03:12.240 --> 0:03:14.520 the world waking up at four am and running thirteen 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:16.680 miles and then doing an obstacle course and hitting balls 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:20.320 for six hours, you know, probably not the reality for 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:22.520 most guys. They want to get up, they want to 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:24.239 you know, get their workout in, and they want to 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:26.359 be home, right. They want to be able to enjoy 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:29.480 their lives, the same as the country club scratch who's 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:31.640 trying to get a little better. And more importantly to 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:35.080 us that you know, ten to fourteen handicapper that just 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:38.280 like dreams of playing in their club championship, how do 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:40.360 they get better? And I think one of the big 0:03:40.400 --> 0:03:44.440 things for us is understanding nerding out here chaos theory, 0:03:44.480 --> 0:03:47.600 where yeah, there's a huge, like wide swath of golfers 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:50.760 that all play the game at different levels, but we 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:53.360 really tried to figure out what makes them more similar 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:56.520 and what can we then do to help those players, 0:03:56.560 --> 0:03:59.360 because there might be a million reasons you're a ten handicap, 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:02.280 but pretty much deduce you're not a good driver of 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:04.880 the ball as a ten handicap. And so once we 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:08.240 were able to just make those like huge hypothesis guess 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:11.280 and then build a plan and try, it was essentially 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:14.280 trial and error in the beginning to now we feel 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:16.839 relatively confident. I would say, obviously, like this is me 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:19.080 being an academic, where like I will never tell you 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:22.320 I'm super confident in something just because there's two hundred 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:24.520 people out there who are way smarter and better at 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:27.440 what they do. But we feel pretty confident that, like 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:30.240 you said, Marty, those super high yield things, right. I 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:32.840 listened to your podcast with Andrew Rice, Like working on 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:35.400 your driver at the driving range. Everyone makes fun of 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:37.520 that you should be working on your driver at the 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:41.279 driving rade. Yeah, absolutely, Hammer that. 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:43.800 They have a distance. That's the big Northeast issue. I mean, 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:45.640 living in the Northeast, it's like, where can I go 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:47.400 bang drivers? I gotta go out on my golf course. 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:49.599 But Nico, I want to go back to kind of 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:52.960 the start of this because I'm very interested in anybody 0:04:53.000 --> 0:04:55.560 that finds a solution for a problem. I mean, Marty, 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:57.800 I've talked about stack over the years. Obviously, I when 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:00.240 you think about the introduction of the Ping company, I 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:03.000 mean it was literally there were issues and problems and 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:06.200 mister Solheim's came up with solutions for those issues. Did 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:10.000 you look around and say there's nothing like this? Were 0:05:10.040 --> 0:05:13.080 you looking online trying to find maybe some sort of 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:14.839 a If I have an hour and a half each 0:05:14.880 --> 0:05:17.080 week to go out and practice, what should I do? 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:21.120 Because I do find being an adult is extremely intimidating 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:23.880 in terms of getting into something new. People want to 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:25.960 go work out, Where do you start? How do you 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:28.640 do it? How do I break up my time between 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:30.599 leg day and AR and DAYA? What do those days 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:31.040 even mean? 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:31.400 Right? 0:05:31.560 --> 0:05:34.200 And I even think for good players at times, Hey, 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:35.920 I got to go to the range and work on something. 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:37.560 But what the hell am I doing at the driving 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:40.719 range in terms of my forty five minutes? So did 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:43.840 you dig online initially to see what was out there 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:46.040 in this space and basically come back with no results? 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:48.839 So as a mega doork, of course, that is my 0:05:48.960 --> 0:05:52.080 job as research and I scoured the internet and read 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:54.679 as much as I could, and I came across nothing 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:57.200 really that's stuck, and that was a huge issue. I 0:05:57.240 --> 0:05:59.720 come from team sports, so I came from a baseball 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:02.479 backer and played a little in school, and I didn't 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:05.039 have to show up to baseball practice and create my 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:07.280 own plan total. All I had to do was show 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:09.800 up and execute. So then when I was trying to 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:11.800 get better at golf, I did what everyone does, and 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:14.640 I watched Tiger play Tory Pines in two thousand and 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:17.520 you know, just obliterate everybody, and it, for some reason 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:20.599 wasn't helping me shoot lower scores, much to my chagrin. 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:23.560 But then I was like, Okay, how do I structure 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:26.159 my time? Because when I was in school, my time 0:06:26.240 --> 0:06:28.760 was so variable. Some days I'd have an hour, some 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:31.039 days i'd have none, some days I'd have three hours. 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:34.960 And I wasn't getting better fast enough. So I had 0:06:34.960 --> 0:06:37.920 to close the gap between where I was and where 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:41.719 I wanted to be. And I didn't have time to say, okay, 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:43.320 well I have ten years to do this. Well, I 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:45.640 wanted to get better in two weeks, not ten years, 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:48.520 and so I had to essentially, like you said, solve 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:51.880 the problem of time. How do I structure my practice 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:53.960 so that when I go home, I can say, look, 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:56.840 I actually did something, I got better versus I think 0:06:56.880 --> 0:06:59.000 all of us have done this. We show up and 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:00.919 we're like, hey, what am I work on today? And 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:02.880 then you hit a squirrely seven iron, and then forty 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:05.039 five minutes goes by and you've just hit nothing but 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:07.479 seven irons for forty five minutes, and then you have 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:10.320 to go home. And some days that's really you know, 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:13.080 that's effective practice right there. I'm never gonna say there's 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:16.800 no such things as bad practice, but being able to 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:19.400 go home and say, look I accomplished something. I'm working 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:22.160 towards a larger goal. And the biggest thing in my 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:25.120 end is not being reactive to, like I said, that 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:27.920 last shot or that last game, or that last tournament 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:30.640 that you played in all of us that played tournament golf, 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:32.280 or some days you go out there and you flush it. 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:34.360 Other days you show up and you know you chip 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:37.280 terribly well, that might just be an anomaly, or maybe 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:39.720 you are a horrific chipper and you should spend a 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:41.400 little bit more time working on it. 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:45.240 Do you iron those things out? Nico within golf blueprint. 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:47.480 I mean, like, let's say Marty was struggling with pitching 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:49.680 the golf ball or I was struggling with putting. Can 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:52.680 you input those types of things within the system and 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:54.960 it will it will. It will give you more time 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:57.560 to focus on the things you struggle on. Is that 0:07:57.600 --> 0:07:59.640 part of kind of the AI side of it or whatever? 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:02.320 Yeah? Yeah, So we absolutely let golfers tell us what 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:03.920 they need. At the end, I mean, we've been through 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:07.040 every iteration of like AI machine learning about you know, 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:09.239 what do we think the player needs? And then finally 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:10.800 we sat down and we're like, why don't we just 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:12.760 let the player tell us what they want to work on? 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:16.480 Like this again, sometimes we solve problems that we don't have. 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:18.400 We're like, oh my goodness, why didn't you just like 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:21.320 start at square one. The tour is a little bit different, 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:24.000 and I will always clarify, like the amateur golfer and 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:26.320 the tour golfer are not playing the same sport as 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:29.080 the three of us, understand. So with the tour guys, 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:32.000 it's my job to kind of push and pull and say, yeah, 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:34.160 I know you think you're about iron player, Actually not 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:36.520 right now, let's spend a little bit more time on 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:40.040 wedges and let's continue working that because those guys tend 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:42.960 to be hyper reactive and ladies. I love my LPGA 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:45.320 girls as well, where they tend to be a little 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:48.439 bit more reactive to what just happened versus my six, 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:50.280 twelve and eighteen pointh goals. 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:53.920 Yeah, Nico, I find myself phoning victim to that, like 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:57.240 recency bias, man play that one tournament, putted bat the 0:08:57.320 --> 0:08:58.880 last round or the last three holes. 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:00.800 I'm like, I gotta, I gotta. 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:06.440 On the planet. Hey, Marty, can I ask you a question? 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:08.880 I want to ask you about, like, how do you 0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:11.240 go about as somebody that's competitive and has played this 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:14.400 game for so long, how do you go about your practice? 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:17.080 And I'm assuming it has changed over the years. I 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:19.400 know you're one that's always kind of focused on how 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:21.520 do you maximize every kind of minute you have in 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:24.480 your life across the board? How have you how is 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:28.000 your practice evolved changed? And how do you go about 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:29.920 an hour on the range if you have that time 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:30.640 on a Tuesday. 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:33.800 Yeah, it's a great question. It's a never ending journey, Shane. 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:35.400 So it's like it's not like I have like the 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:38.640 magic or the secret formula for this. But I try 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:42.679 to be very smart about practicing the most impactful parts 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:44.880 of the game for whatever tournament or event that I 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:48.040 have coming up. So like it's pretty you know, you 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:50.360 know what course you have coming up, Niko. I'm gonna 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:53.600 love getting into some stuff with you on preparing some 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:56.320 tour players for some very specific courses. But I got 0:09:56.360 --> 0:09:59.880 a specific course, specific tournament coming up. I play some 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:02.720 term as Shane in Arizona, where the driver's not that important. 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:04.880 I'm gonna be hitting my thriver, my three wood. It's 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:08.320 gonna be all about wedges from ninety to one thirty. 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:10.880 I'll put a lot of time in there. I'll measure it, 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:14.280 launch monitor, and put a lot of focus to that. 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:17.360 I always do like very simple maintenance on my putting, 0:10:17.440 --> 0:10:20.199 so like alignment, aims, start line, I call that kind 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:22.520 of maintenance. It's more of the boring block practice you 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:25.080 see all the tour players doing it, and then cycle 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:30.400 it with plenty plenty of like meaningful intent, like randomized 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:32.880 practice that has some results. I put some pressure on 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:36.320 myself and I love playing like nine holes, like I'm 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:39.679 the King of nine Holes. After work, sometimes I'll play 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:42.520 like a worst ball thing out there format. When I 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:44.160 was getting ready for some of the majors in my 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:47.280 home course, Wildfire Shane, I would tee off. I would 0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:50.440 go to where my t shot went, literally drive one 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:53.640 hundred yards, back, drop my ball and hit my second 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:56.240 shot in from there. That was a pretty good representation 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:58.719 of like Beth Page of wing. I was gonna say, 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:00.679 that's like Bethpage Black two point out. 0:11:00.800 --> 0:11:01.200 That's right. 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:03.000 You gotta get a little creative. I mean, that's the 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:04.640 only way you can get to hit the five iron 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:07.079 in there here in some of the Arizona golf. 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:09.680 That's really really smart. I mean, you know, I think 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:10.400 you know, Nico. 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:15.080 To Marty's point is we've been twenty we've been twenty five, 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:17.640 we've been thirty, right, and we just continue to go 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:18.600 about our business. 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:20.080 And you know, I'm Marty. 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:23.520 Something I've tried to change personally is not sitting on 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:25.720 the range hitting more than ten shots with one club. 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:26.120 Right. 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:29.440 So if I'm hitting ten eight irons, that's that's the 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:31.480 max number I'm gonna hit with the single club, and 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:33.440 then I'm gonna move on. Nico, when you've done a 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:36.120 deep dive into this type of stuff, is there a 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:38.240 number you put on the maximum amount of golf shots 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:40.600 you'd be hitting with a single club or single shot. 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:43.320 Do you do any of that where it's like this 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:45.160 is enough of that club, let's move on. 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:48.800 So two things, Marty, A number one slam duck like 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:50.559 of all of that. And I also really want to 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:52.400 highlight both of what you said about getting out of 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:55.840 the golf course because this answers your question, Shane, we 0:11:55.920 --> 0:11:58.760 only get one shot. Well, theoretically you could pump a 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:00.360 bunch of balls ob off the ta. You can get 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:02.600 as many tries as you want. Believe me, I've been there. 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:06.040 But on the course you're only really getting one shot 0:12:06.080 --> 0:12:09.120 at it. And so yes, the idea of random practice 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:13.400 where you're just theoretically constantly cycling through it's not really realistic. 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:16.000 So I don't necessarily have a number. So much as 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:20.040 for my true tour sickos, I basically work them into 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:23.360 two categories. It's either an outcome, so you need to 0:12:23.440 --> 0:12:26.800 hit ten seven irons at this target that start two 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:30.160 yards left and they fade into the window, or for 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:34.280 like my Mega Mega megacickos, I make them stop at 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:36.520 a certain amount of time, so I might give them 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:39.520 eight minutes or ten minutes to complete a task, because 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:42.800 otherwise one of my players, in particular, who happen to 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:45.440 be world number one, will stand there until his hands 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:48.600 bleed and he will not do anything else until he's 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:51.760 accomplished that goal. And when you realize why he's will 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:53.560 number one. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. But 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:55.560 in terms of again we keep going to that like 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:58.800 high yield practice, we need them to move on from 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:02.440 that task makes them amazing at what they do, but 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:04.400 I still need you to go hit your freaking three 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:06.880 wood for ten minutes, man, Like we're gonna have to 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:09.160 hit that, Like Marty said a bunch of times at 0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:11.800 our next event, Let's make sure we're staying on. 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:15.160 Task, Nico. I think one of the big AHA moments 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:18.160 for me. I remember this, like yesterday. It was at 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:21.040 the PGA Championship. I'm on the putting green and I'm 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:24.760 doing my man kind of mindless practice I'm doing. I'm 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:28.400 hitting my my straight in four footers and then I'm 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:31.280 doing some blag putts and I remember Jordan Spieth was 0:13:31.320 --> 0:13:35.679 there and camera Cameron McCormick was guiding his practice and 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:38.680 he had his his his watch out on his phone, 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:40.440 you know, he had he had the timer going, and 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:42.160 I heard him saying to Jordan, Okay, we got we 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:44.440 got eight minutes left. And he's walking off and tell 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:46.480 him what putts to hit and they're counting everything, they're 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:49.600 codifying everything, and he was like, okay, he's got eight 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:53.000 minutes left to box in his practice. And I was like, man, 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:55.680 this is no wonder. These guys are different, you know. 0:13:55.880 --> 0:13:58.040 And but not everyone is like that, because I've had 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:01.240 friends on tour that show up at the putting Green 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:05.080 and they're like, oh, everyone's banging in straight putts, let 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:06.679 me go do that. That must be what I need 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:09.240 to do. And they're kind of lost as well. So 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:12.320 even some of the tour players are kind of probably 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:16.120 you know, kind of confused on what is the best 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:18.120 way to spend that time, especially on the putting green. 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:21.080 Right, totally tour pros. Like we said, they're normal human 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:23.480 beings too, right, I wouldn't have a job if everyone 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:26.400 was able to structure their own practice and be able 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:28.960 to manage their time effectively. And I think one of 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:32.200 the biggest things that Cameron, you know, Cameron's a friend 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:35.000 and does great work with but Jordan is that being 0:14:35.040 --> 0:14:37.560 able to just allow that player's brain to turn off 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:40.240 that they don't have to plan something. All they're doing 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:44.120 is executing. Especially tournament week, your only jobs put the 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:46.800 ball in the hole, have other people take care of 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:49.520 all the distractions and get rid of all of the 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:51.960 side things so that you just have a clear green 0:14:52.080 --> 0:14:54.960 light to executing. I'm going to do this, I'm going 0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:57.120 to do that, and then I'm going to go play. 0:14:57.600 --> 0:15:00.560 How relaxing would that be versus you know, the three 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:02.680 of us were our own caddy and then we're doing this, 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:05.320 and you know, I'm probably filming on Instagram video and 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:08.280 thinking about whatever else I'm having for dinner that night, 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:10.800 and then it's no wonder I go shoot seventy six. Right, 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:13.680 It's a little bit of a different strategy, Marty. 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:15.600 I ran into that at the Amateur last year. I 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:18.080 remember that. I you know, I've. 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:21.880 Played in tournaments and I've had I you know, I 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:25.200 don't travel much for golf anymore like for golf tournament golf, Right, 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:27.360 I mean, I just don't. I'm not gonna go travel much. 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:29.520 I'm gonna go maybe play two tournaments a year on 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:33.920 the road. And I found myself to your point, Nico 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:35.960 kind of looking around, you know, I look, I was 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:38.440 looking around at other people what they were doing. And 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:40.920 then I'd go back to the hotel thinking should I 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:43.720 be back at the range? And I might go back 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:45.760 to the range. But Nico, I think this is where 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:49.080 golf blueprints started. In theory is even if I go 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:52.400 back to the range, I have no plan. I'm gonna 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:56.600 go hit some shots and and and there's likelihood I 0:15:56.680 --> 0:15:59.040 might find something bad in the golf swing versus finding 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:01.320 answers that I don't even know what I'm looking for. 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:05.040 When you, guys, first, I wanted to ask when was 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:06.920 the aha moment with a tour player? Like when did 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:09.080 you have the first person that reached out to you 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:10.840 guys and you were like, oh my goodness, this is 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:14.840 somebody that matters. And when that when the steady stream 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:16.920 started to come from the big time players and from 0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:21.360 people that mattered. How how stressful was that to lay 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:24.000 out plans for these people that are at a level 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:25.680 of golf most people don't understand. 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:28.760 So I can tell you to two funny stories without names. 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:31.080 So the first tor pro, that kind of big name 0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:33.360 we got in, he called us, we resumed him. He 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:35.320 was in the drive through with his wife and we're like, 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:38.360 what is going on, Like just the most classic like 0:16:38.480 --> 0:16:42.160 chaotic dude who just is the biggest free soul and 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:43.960 the greatest human in the planet. And we're like, what 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:46.480 do you do for practice? He's like, yo, God is 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:48.600 my witness. He goes, well, I get there and I 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:50.240 start with a five iron, and you know, if I 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:52.600 hit a couple of good ones, I go play and 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:55.720 I'm like, looking, I have this whole stats presentation everything. 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:58.160 I'm like, I'm like pouring over the data, and I 0:16:58.200 --> 0:17:01.040 was like, hey man, you actually hopping to be number 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:03.560 one last year on tour, from like one seventy five 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:05.920 to two hundred, so you probably hit it pretty good 0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:08.040 most days of the five iron, right. He goes well, yeah, 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:10.800 I go so you don't practice then, right? He goes well, 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:14.160 not really, actually just cracked up where we're like, okay, 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:17.679 like totally took the veil of like, oh my gosh, 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:20.160 it's the tour into just all right. These are regular 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:22.199 dudes who are really good at their job. And the 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:24.560 second piece is is that first kind of big aha 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:28.120 moment of this actually works. I always laugh. Everyone I've 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:30.080 ever worked with is better than me at the game 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:33.760 of golf. So everybody that I've worked with, I'm terrified 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:36.680 of course that you know, hopefully this works, hopefully it will, 0:17:36.720 --> 0:17:39.840 hopefully it won't. And that's just confidence now in having 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:41.960