1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:06,479 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: What's up? Everybody? Welcome and move the sticks. DJ Buck 3 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: a bike coastal episode of the Pod today, Buck, where. 4 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 2: You at down in Jacksonville taking out the Jaguars. They 5 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 2: opened up training camp on Wednesday, so I had to 6 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 2: come down and see what's going on. 7 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: What what's the temperature like down there? 8 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 2: DJ, I am. I am not Florida ready like ninety 9 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 2: and swell through the first day, I was like, who 10 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 2: haven't taken it? But I was link going to his credit. 11 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 2: Practice starts early. First day eight thirty off the field 12 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 2: bout ten. My kind of practice. Next day eight thirty 13 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 2: off by ten fifteen, short and sweet. Getting to it. 14 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 2: The one thing that they did that was a little different. 15 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 2: They got to it the eleven on eleven stuff fairly quickly, 16 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 2: as opposed to doing some teams like easing to it 17 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 2: with a lot of into one on one stuff. They 18 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 2: were getting more to the team periods, trying to get 19 00:00:57,600 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 2: those reps in. 20 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: That's good. I was just a Nashville for a couple 21 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: of days. I'm going back this weekend, so I'll be 22 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,119 Speaker 1: there Saturday. But you're right, just the man. The South 23 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: is no joke this time of year. It is a 24 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: reminder and the one thing for those that don't know. 25 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 1: In California, when the sun goes down, it gets cool, 26 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 1: like you might be you might have a hot day 27 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: which is maybe high eighties, maybe we sneak into the 28 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: low nineties. But at night time it's fifty degrees. 29 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 2: You can wait it out. 30 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: You can wait it I mean, I walked outside and 31 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: it was dark outside in Nashville, and it was like 32 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: just stepping right into a sauna. 33 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 2: Man. 34 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:29,559 Speaker 1: I was like, man, I forgot about this. 35 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 2: So DJ never it never changes. And I'm sitting here 36 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 2: and I'm laughing because like the jacks are practicing in 37 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 2: the morning. But I'm thinking about all those years in 38 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 2: high school where we went from three thirty to whatever. 39 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 2: I'm like, man, what are we doing? Then? I'm thinking 40 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 2: about all those teams did those SEC teams that are 41 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 2: oh man, we're going from two to five. 42 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: But you know, by the way, by the way, for 43 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: those that don't know, for the most part, in our era, 44 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: and indoor facility is called a bathroom. That that was 45 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: an indoor facility back in the day, practicing in sky 46 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: that wasn't a thing. 47 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, just a different it's different thing. But as you know, 48 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 2: man like, it's always fun to get back to get 49 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 2: back around to see it. And even though right now 50 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 2: the attire is the same, there's no difference between OTA's 51 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 2: and mini cams to training camp, but the field is different. 52 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 2: There's a different urgency once you get into July and 53 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 2: August that doesn't exist doing those off season months. 54 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna get into some quarterback stuff today, 55 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 1: some interesting news nuggets and one big injury which maybe 56 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: might not end up being that big of an injury. 57 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 1: A little scared there with the Jets. We'll get into 58 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 1: a bunch of this quarterback stuff. And there's one of 59 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: the topic I want to I want to catch you 60 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: up on. But as we're getting ready to start, before 61 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: we came on, you asked me if I had seen 62 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: the CAM stuff, and I said, hold on, put a 63 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: pin in that I haven't seen it. I haven't seen 64 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 1: any of the CAM stuff, but I know CAM usually 65 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: has something kind of interesting that creates some buzz, So 66 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: I said, don't tell me. Let's start the pod. You 67 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: tell me what's going on CAM, and then we can 68 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: start from there. 69 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 2: Okay, So, I mean we were just coming out of 70 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 2: the long dog days of somewhere there's really no content 71 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 2: things to talk about. And so at the end of it, 72 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 2: right before training Cam Cam had talked about quarterbacks and 73 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 2: quarterback rankings. He gave his rankings like all of us 74 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 2: give rankings, like we all have that. That's what we do, right, 75 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 2: creating ranking and banking can't go wrong. People fuss about 76 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 2: it or whatever. And so Cam did not have Jalen 77 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 2: Hurts as one of his top ten quarterbacks. And it 78 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 2: comes on the heels of an ESPN article where executives 79 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 2: were polled and they ranked their top ten and Jalen 80 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 2: Hurts was number nine. So naturally, Super Bowl winner MVP 81 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 2: doesn't get the accolades and those things that some say 82 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 2: he deserves. They're trying to figure out, like why are 83 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 2: you hating on Dalen hurt by saying that he's not elite? 84 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 2: And Cam who? And I would say this, Cam was 85 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 2: one of the better trucks at the collegiate level and 86 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 2: also at the pros in terms of being a quarterback 87 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 2: who literally had to carry his team without a lot 88 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 2: of support on the perimeter. He did that. He did 89 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 2: that at Auburn. I think it was one only one 90 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 2: other pro on that team, and that was Nick Fairley 91 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 2: on defense. He goes to Carolina team that he led 92 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 2: to the Super Bowl. Hey, greg Olsen, but man, I 93 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 2: don't think anybody can remember the receivers that played on 94 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 2: that team with. 95 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: With Steve, with Steve on that team. Steve was on 96 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: that team, was he? No, he wasn't on that team. 97 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: That was before Steve. 98 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 2: No. They played like it was like Chuckie Brown and 99 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 2: I I mean it was not in a lot of 100 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 2: notable names. I mean Teddy Junior might have been on 101 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 2: the team, but Greg Olsen was like the notable brand name. 102 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 2: There was a Pro Bowl player on that team. So 103 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 2: when Cams drops the list and he said this, people 104 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 2: attack the messenger and not the message because they're like, oh, 105 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 2: but you can do it, You're jealous or whatever. He 106 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 2: was like, No, what I'm saying is there's levels to it. 107 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 2: When we talk about quarterback play. One, I think everyone 108 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 2: has to understand when we talk about elite, we're really 109 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 2: talking about the top ten percent. So if we have 110 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,799 Speaker 2: thirty two teams, we're talking about three or four quarterbacks 111 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 2: really fall into that elite category. I think you and 112 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 2: I will say that the elite guys whatever order, Mahomes, 113 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 2: Josh Allen. 114 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: Burrow, Marm Jackson, four. 115 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 2: Those are the four that people will say, are they 116 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 2: however you slice it, that's what it is. And those 117 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 2: four I think we would relatively say that they're all trucks. 118 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 2: They carry more than the load when it comes to 119 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 2: wait to do for their team to win. People that 120 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 2: say Lamar has all this indition, he does have a lot, 121 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 2: but in general we've seen Pat Mahomes, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, 122 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 2: and Lamar Jackson. We've seen them do it with and 123 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 2: without the supporting cast, but the results are the same. 124 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is what we talked about. We talked about 125 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: this a couple weeks agoo cause we said we were 126 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: going through this exact exercise and we we we drew 127 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 1: the line. We said, sometimes and when you're doing these lists, 128 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: the lines at six, sometimes it can be at twelve, 129 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: like there is a clear line at four, and then 130 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: after four we get into the Maybies. That's when we 131 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: got into like the Jayden Daniels and the Herberts and 132 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: the Strouds and all that that that group of guys. 133 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: But there was the four where there's no dispute that 134 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: that is the line. Those guys are in their own 135 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: own category and. 136 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:28,039 Speaker 2: And so that's so that's the thing. And what is 137 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 2: a real nuanced conversation when it comes to quarterback play 138 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 2: because some people say you can't quarterback on wins, you 139 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 2: can't count the rings, but then others will say the 140 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 2: rings are the thing, and you have to do it. 141 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 2: But there's also levels to what you're playing with. And 142 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 2: so if you're playing with an elite offensive line, the 143 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 2: best running back in football, two number one receivers that 144 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 2: are Pro Bowl caliber, like, it is hard to say 145 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 2: that you're the driving force of that offense. Now, we 146 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 2: all know at a championship level, no one can do 147 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 2: it alone, and we say that and we've said that 148 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 2: or whatever. But in a set I've seen quarterbacks, we're 149 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 2: talking about tools, traits to all the other stuff, and 150 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 2: that plays into the equation. And so I get it. 151 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 2: Philly fans feel like people are dumping on Jaalen Hurts 152 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 2: when they say that, But there are two different conversations. 153 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 2: You can respect him as a Super Bowl winner and 154 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 2: credits him as a trailer and credit him as a 155 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 2: high end trailer, but also say hey, he has a 156 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 2: nice supporting cast that helps him get it done. You 157 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 2: also can say that, hey, man, these guys are trucks, 158 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 2: and even though they haven't won it, through the naked eye, 159 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 2: you can see that they do extra stuff to help 160 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 2: their team stand contention. But the elite, the VIP club, 161 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 2: in the quarterback club, only four or five guys can 162 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 2: get in that. And we've said that, and that's the difference. 163 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 2: As we've said years ago when we defined trucks and trailers, 164 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 2: either you carry the team or the team carries you, 165 00:07:57,800 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 2: doesn't matter which category you fit, and you still can 166 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 2: to the winner circle. But their levels to the quarterback 167 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 2: position when it comes to the trucks and the traders. 168 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna give you the two comparisons for 169 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:13,239 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts in terms of this exact debate and whether 170 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: you are on the winning side of you know, hey, 171 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: it's wins, wins, championships, performance on the big stage, you know, 172 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: Trump's whatever, you know, accumulated numbers you might have or 173 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: considered perceived dominance. So the two that I came up 174 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: with was young Brady, you know, because we had the 175 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: same conversation, how good is Tom Brady? And as Bill Belichick, 176 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 1: it's the defense, you know, like that that how he is? 177 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: He's the numbers aren't all that great. So but when 178 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: you got in the big games, in the playoffs and 179 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: Super Bowls, like Brady, could you know, clutch moments, two 180 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,199 Speaker 1: minute drive, he could do that. That's kind of hurts. 181 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 1: The other one I would say would be baseball, would 182 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: be Derek Cheeter. I mean, maybe this is a little 183 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 1: bit people might not remember that as back with him, 184 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: but there was a lot of debate about how good 185 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 1: is this guy? Like everybody's he's a winner, he's a 186 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: good look and he's dating all these women he's but 187 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:02,359 Speaker 1: he's he's clutched, like he makes big plays in playoffs 188 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: in the postseason, but man like Alex Rodriguez was so 189 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 1: much more talented than him and so much better than him. 190 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 2: And that was the conversation, and that is a great thing. 191 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 2: And then in history when you look back, more people 192 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,599 Speaker 2: lean towards Derek Jeter now than hey. Right now. That 193 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 2: may be some other factors, but that is the thing, 194 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 2: and it is really a great thing because I think 195 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 2: Tom Brady is the perfect example, because Tom Brady went 196 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 2: from being the trailer early in his career, so there 197 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 2: was a turn where he became the ultimate Trump. And 198 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 2: that's not to say that just because you start as 199 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 2: a trailer, you you can't evolve and get into the 200 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 2: other category. But it's the hearing now and how you 201 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 2: grade it. And I think it's really important when we 202 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 2: talk about evaluating the quarterback, wins in all that stuff matter. 203 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:48,719 Speaker 2: It does matter because at the end of the day, 204 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 2: the quarterback's job is to win. That is what it is, 205 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 2: and you deserve credit. But when we're talking about talent 206 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 2: and a talent evaluation business, you still got a great 207 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 2: the talent for what it is we can talk about 208 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 2: you can win with and all that, but the talent matters. 209 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's nothing Jalen Hurts can do. I mean he's 210 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: not doesn't want to strip the team of the talent 211 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: around him so that he can get more credit when 212 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: they win ball games. Like there's nothing he can do, 213 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: and he says he's nice to do and an it's. 214 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 2: An argument that he can't really weigh in. That's not 215 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:26,319 Speaker 2: that we're not taking credit away. And I think that's 216 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 2: where it comes down to, because we have this mythical 217 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 2: thing where with quarterbacks like we expect them to be 218 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:36,199 Speaker 2: John Wayne, like they come to the shootout need guns 219 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 2: are blazing by themselves, and it's never that, it's always 220 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 2: ability to help some quarterback. Going that said, there's certain 221 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 2: quarterbacks that can raise the level of play without having 222 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 2: a lot around them. As we say, who can do 223 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:51,719 Speaker 2: the most with the least, Not saying that you want 224 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,319 Speaker 2: to put him in that situation, but if you're tasked 225 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 2: with that, who can keep you competitive without a lot 226 00:10:57,840 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 2: of that around him? That's how we're ranking. And that's 227 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 2: we talk about the asta the position. 228 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: The other thing that on the other on on the 229 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: other side of the argument, on cam side of it 230 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: that I was thinking of is in his defense if 231 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 1: you think about like I was thinking another other sports 232 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,559 Speaker 1: and saying, okay, like you know, Draymond Green's got all 233 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: these rings, but so does that. I mean, he's better 234 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:20,599 Speaker 1: than like Charles Barkley and you know these guys that 235 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:23,079 Speaker 1: don't Carl Malone, all these guys are such better players 236 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: than him. But the reason you know that would be 237 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: a kind of interesting discussion because if you did a 238 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: draft of the players on those Golden State teams, Traymond 239 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: Green's not going to be one of the first three picks, 240 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: Whereas with the Eagles, if you did a draft off 241 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: of their roster, Jalen Hurts probably not gonna be one 242 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: of your first three to four to five picks. He's not, 243 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: I mean just in terms of talent. He's got teammates 244 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: that are more talented than him. Whereas I think if 245 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: you looked at Josh Allen, Lamar Mahomes and Burrow, do 246 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: you look at those rosters and even they have got 247 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: some great players, there are some Hall of Fame players. 248 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 1: Those guys are the best player on that team. 249 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 2: That's it. Though we could say that the engine doesn't 250 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 2: work without Jalen Hurts being the centerpiece, Like there's a 251 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 2: way to say that. We're not saying that anybody could 252 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 2: go in there and do what he does and lead 253 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 2: this team to heightst Like there's value in terms of 254 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 2: who he is and what he is, but there's also 255 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 2: the ability in a nuanced situation to look at the roster, 256 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 2: to look at the team and to give good grades. 257 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 2: And in the scouting business, in the scouting world, like 258 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 2: this is what we do. We have these conversations and 259 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 2: discussions when it comes to it and about giving credit. 260 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 2: It's about assessing the talent in terms of the dominant talent, 261 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 2: where the talent was stacked in the top ten around 262 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 2: the league. If we're doing it like a pickup game, 263 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 2: that's how it is. And we're saying that without slighting him, 264 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 2: because people will take that as a slight. But the 265 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 2: conversations are like that, Like it's not like, Hey, everyone 266 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 2: gets into the elite club, the VIP section, and I'm 267 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 2: sure if you ask Jalen, he doesn't care about that. 268 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 2: He cares about the winning more than anything else. 269 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the whole thing. He doesn't give him flip 270 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: about any of this discussion. He's going out winning games. 271 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 1: His teammates love him, the city loves him, you know, 272 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: the whole you know, the whole organization loves him, and 273 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:10,319 Speaker 1: he's getting the job done. It's a it's just it's 274 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:12,719 Speaker 1: a fascinating conversation though when you look at it, of 275 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: just what that looks like, I was thinking of another 276 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: one would be you know, this goes back. I don't 277 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 1: remember what was said during the early Montana time or whatever, 278 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,319 Speaker 1: but I guarantee you yeah, like I guarantee you and 279 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:25,959 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks will never go and record and see it. 280 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: But I know there's I'm sure I'm sure half the 281 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:30,439 Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the league think, Man, if I wasn't Jaialen 282 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:32,959 Speaker 1: hurt situation, I could do as much or more in 283 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: that situation. And I wonder if during Montana's day, just 284 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: because talent wise, Joe Montana was never a top five talent, 285 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: But I wonder if those quarterbacks, if you pull them, 286 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: were like, yeah, if I would have been with Bill 287 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: Walsh and that the whole setup and that they had 288 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: there for him, I would have done the same thing 289 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: Joe Montana did. I'm sure people think that way. That 290 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily make it true. It goes back to just 291 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: being a nuanced discussion. Man, it's not It's not black 292 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:55,559 Speaker 1: and white. 293 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 2: Is it ever black and white? And that's what the 294 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 2: beauty of the evaluation process is like, is not that 295 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 2: it's an opinion. But it was funny how people were 296 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 2: attacking Camp for his opinion, for him delivering opinion as 297 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:09,199 Speaker 2: opposed to the opinion itself. 298 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting. Well, Camp gave us a little content 299 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 1: there to start us off. I want to get to 300 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: one of the topic and they'll take a break and 301 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 1: hit the quarterbacks. But one of my favorite things during 302 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: training camp, and everybody has their opinion on this, is 303 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: it there anything to learn from training camp. I always 304 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: tweeted out I think every year and say preseason is 305 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: a liar. So don't get too caught up in performance 306 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: in preseason games because as lots of evidence of guys 307 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: lighting it up and then not being anybody, and lots 308 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: of examples of guys dropping passes, are struggling and then 309 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: not having any impact whatsoever once the regular season starts. 310 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: So put the preseason games aside. To me, one of 311 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: the things you can learn by watching practices and seeing 312 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: these guys report and paying attention during this time of year. 313 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: I do think there is something to the fact of 314 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: guys who show up in a different body and if 315 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: you're looking at you're paying attention. I just wrote down 316 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: three Jordan Davis, I think he dropped thirty. He looked great. 317 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 2: DT. Yeah. 318 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: About Mason Graham who had the video of him puking 319 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: at the at the rookie camp. He was down about 320 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: fifteen pounds or so. 321 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 2: J C. 322 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: Latham, I don't know if you've seen him. He looked 323 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 1: like a different human being. He has really leaned out 324 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: and looks like he's in phenomenal shape there with the 325 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans. Now the athlete, the physical power, you know, 326 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: the talent that he possesses never in question, but I 327 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: think he would. I mean, he played fine last year. 328 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: When he was out there, he just to me he 329 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: was a little bit heavy, and now he looked like 330 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: he has streamlined and he's rocking and roll ready to go. 331 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 2: DJ one of the things, and you're a great place 332 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:37,479 Speaker 2: being with the charges. One of the things that is underrated, 333 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 2: value of strength and condition, well called championship level fitness. 334 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 2: Like there is a difference when it comes to it, 335 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 2: and I think for young players it takes them awhile 336 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 2: to get used to what we consider fit in the 337 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 2: National Football League, and those guys can play. They can 338 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 2: go through a camp or an offseason program and get 339 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 2: to the hard part right when you get the mini 340 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 2: camps in those things that Mason Graham can look around 341 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 2: and be like, WHOA, that was overwhelming. I got six 342 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 2: weeks to get down and depending on how you dig 343 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 2: into those six weeks that you're away from the beginning 344 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 2: or middle of June until you come back when it's 345 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 2: time to report in July. It could make a difference. 346 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 2: It's obvious that those guys felt like they needed a 347 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 2: little something extra to be where they needed to be 348 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 2: to play at the level that they won't play at 349 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 2: during the season. And the first thing to change DJ 350 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 2: whenever someone takes over a program, the first thing that 351 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 2: a coach says when he gets a new player, we 352 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 2: got to get you in better shape, because it's everything. 353 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 2: It literally is everything when it comes to being able 354 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 2: to be successful. And these young guys are figuring out 355 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 2: that if I can get in great shape, it enhances 356 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 2: my opportunity to play well when the season rolls around. 357 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, and a lot of times it's guys, you know. 358 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: Jay Z Latham a great example of a young player 359 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: who's now made the tour through the league. Through the 360 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: full seventeen games. He's seen the caliber of pass rusher 361 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: he's going to be up against every single week, and 362 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 1: to me, it's a great sign with maturity to know, Okay, 363 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: I got to dial some things in if I want 364 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: to be the player I want to be. What I 365 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 1: arrived at in the NFL is not good enough, So 366 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 1: I'm going to have to make my adjustments. We see 367 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: it with guys who add weight. You know, You'll see 368 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: receivers who go through the grind of a season for 369 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: the first time and they're like, I'm not I gotta 370 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:21,640 Speaker 1: put a little more on. I got to be able 371 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,479 Speaker 1: to withstand the punishment that I'm going to be handed 372 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: over seventeen weeks. 373 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean like it's that, it's understanding. We saw 374 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 2: Jon Robinson recently put out. It was reported on I 375 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 2: think Atlanta Falcons dot Com talked about he went to 376 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 2: see Christian McCaffrey and what he came away with. I 377 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 2: got to be in better shape because I got to 378 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 2: be able to recover better. If I want to play 379 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 2: at that level, I have to do it. And I 380 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 2: just go back to Vince Lombardi and those guys talked 381 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 2: about fatigue makes hours of us all and how so 382 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 2: many guys talk about like the first step to being 383 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 2: a great player is getting in phenomenal shape. I just 384 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 2: think young players come to their realization at various stages 385 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 2: of their career. But when they do come to it, man, 386 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 2: they make the immediate changes and normally DJ we see 387 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 2: a huge improvement in their game. 388 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 1: This is my one uh, and as a high school coach, 389 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,120 Speaker 1: you appreciate it. But like my one take on high 390 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:20,239 Speaker 1: school football related to this that drives me nuts when 391 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 1: you just see different teams is like, hey, I know, 392 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: like resources are different from one school to the next. 393 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: The caliber and the quality of coaching you're going to 394 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: get is going to differ from one school to the next. 395 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: But man, there's no reason why every high school team 396 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 1: shouldn't have their team in shape. Like that doesn't take 397 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: anything but just putting in the effort in the time, Like, hey, 398 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 1: we are going to make this a mission of our program. 399 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: We might we might go h to ten, but we're 400 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: gonna be able to run all day long. 401 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 2: I mean like that that that is a thing DJ 402 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 2: and I think it's one of the things when like 403 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 2: obviously we're privious to talk to like old school football 404 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,239 Speaker 2: coaches at every level, but I mean you saw our 405 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 2: first hand with the charge of what Jim Harbor has done. 406 00:18:57,520 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 2: We know what Jim Harbor did is the previous stop 407 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:02,400 Speaker 2: says stand in Michigan and everywhere else, like they put 408 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 2: a premium on strength and conditioning when you go when 409 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 2: you think about the Miami heat in basketball, he coaches 410 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:11,959 Speaker 2: about conditioning. Everybody that I've known that is as been 411 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:14,439 Speaker 2: great as a coach, as a leader, as a team builder, 412 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 2: they talk about fitness levels, they talk about being in 413 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 2: great shape. Rick Portino, one of the things behind this 414 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 2: turnarounds that every place he's been is getting in great shape. 415 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 2: I think it's something that you have to commit to. 416 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 2: And look, there's that fine line between win a successive, 417 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 2: but you can't tell me that the teams that win 418 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 2: year in year out outside of talent. Man, it comes 419 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,239 Speaker 2: down to is your team in great shape? Because the 420 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:39,959 Speaker 2: better shape they're in, the more they're gonna be able 421 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 2: to lock in and focus in those key moments. They're 422 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 2: in thrive mode, not survive mode. And that is the 423 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 2: whole point when you talk to your team about getting 424 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 2: great shape. I want you to be able to lock 425 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 2: in and focus in the fourth quarter when the game 426 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:54,439 Speaker 2: is tight. We want to be at our best. 427 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,439 Speaker 1: YEP. To me, I just think that's a sign of 428 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: you're on the right path. It might not be winning games, 429 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:01,679 Speaker 1: but teams that show up and they're in shape, they 430 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 1: play hard, and they're better as the game goes along. 431 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 1: Those are good signs for what you're building and where 432 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: you want to take something, let's say quick breakback, we 433 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: come back. I got a couple of quarterback topics I 434 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: want to hit on. 435 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 2: Right after this. 436 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: All right, let's go the two New York teams. Let's 437 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 1: start first of all, Jets. Looks like Fields look sounded bad. 438 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 1: He was carted off the field in practice this morning 439 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: as we're recording this and said lower leg injury, which 440 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: the first thought is, oh gosh, hopefully this isn't an achilles, 441 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: you know, some broken ankle, what have you. But it 442 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 1: looks like it was a dislocated toe, not the big toe. 443 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: And by the reports that I saw said this, you know, 444 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 1: shouldn't put week one in any jeopardy. But probably going 445 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,400 Speaker 1: to miss a little bit of time here, but your 446 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: thoughts on what you expect from fields this year as 447 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,120 Speaker 1: well as that Jets team. 448 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,199 Speaker 2: Look, man, it was scared when you see it come 449 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 2: across the wire. I didn't have been caught it off. 450 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 2: Lower leg injury. You didn't know the unknown you think about, man, 451 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 2: all of the Jets plans being up and smoke. Then 452 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 2: later when Aaron Glenn addresses the media and talks about 453 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 2: it being your toe, maybe got stepped on. Maybe it's 454 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,679 Speaker 2: a dislocation. Still, DJ does a bit of a concern 455 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 2: because we talk about what is justin feel superpower, his athleticist, 456 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 2: his ability to create big plays on the move, whether 457 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 2: that's as a design quarterback, own design quarterback runs or 458 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 2: scrambles or those things, being able to have a two 459 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 2: way go where you're a runner and thrower, those things. 460 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 2: As you know, as anyone knows your toe, particularly if 461 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 2: it's a big toe, man, that is the central movement area. 462 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 2: And if you cannot use your big toe and it's 463 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 2: an issue, it changes everything from walking, running to throwing. 464 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 2: So this could be not as big as the other things, 465 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:49,679 Speaker 2: but it certainly can hamper and hinder his play. I 466 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 2: wonder how serious it is, And I wonder, if you're 467 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 2: the Jets, if you have to make adjustments to the 468 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 2: original plan based on maybe some of the limitations that 469 00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 2: he could have with his toes. 470 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 1: Hopefully he's got better TOD DNA than I do. When 471 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: I I fractured my coe, I dropped that mirror I 472 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: dropped that mirror door on my toe a couple but 473 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: three years ago, and UH sliced it open and then 474 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: I fractured it in like six places. In the like 475 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 1: six little fragments and that God, it took forever for 476 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: that thing to heal, so hopefully, uh, I think he does. 477 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 1: I feel confident saying he's gonna heal a little bit faster. 478 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: So uh, it looks like crisis have averted there. That 479 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 1: Jets team, to me is interesting. I'm curious to see 480 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 1: what the offense looks like, how they're going to run it. 481 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: They've invested a lot of resources in that offensive line 482 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: over the last couple of years. Excited to see them, 483 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: hopefully stay healthy, play together, and that could be a 484 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 1: physical line of scrimmage team, which you know Aaron Glenn's 485 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 1: going to promote as their head coach. Let's go h 486 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 1: same same uh uh same area here. Russell Wilson, New 487 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: York Giants named the starter. He's surprised by that and 488 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 1: was that the right call? 489 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 2: I'm not surprised by it. I felt like this was 490 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 2: in the chorus, and I also felt when we think 491 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 2: about Jackson art to me, DJ, that was a long 492 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 2: range decision. To me, there's a confidence in the building 493 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 2: from ownership to front off is that the current setup 494 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 2: is going to be around for a while. That's why 495 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 2: you make the move with Jackson Dart. Russell Wilson to 496 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 2: me was a bridge to the future, whether it's the 497 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 2: full season or whatever. I expected him to be the 498 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 2: starting quarterback and the reason Jameis Winston is there. Jameis 499 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,679 Speaker 2: Winston is there to handle the questions that Russell Wilson 500 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 2: may not want to handle from Jackson Dart, to be 501 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 2: a mentor and a leader, and to potentially be a 502 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:28,120 Speaker 2: trade ship later on. If Jackson Dart plays really well 503 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 2: in the preseason, you feel good about him being QB two, 504 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,360 Speaker 2: maybe you move off from Jameis Winston and trade him 505 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 2: to get some things. Back to me, this was about 506 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 2: Russell Wilson being the starter from day one and then 507 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 2: the wait and see game on Jackson Dart. When Jackson 508 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 2: Dart is ready, when do you make the move for 509 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 2: Russell Wilson. Is that this year? Maybe it's next year, 510 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 2: But I feel like Russell Wilson was going to get 511 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 2: the ball heading coming right out the game. Yeah. 512 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: I think to me, it's about, you know, if you 513 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,239 Speaker 1: get if you get the ship that's off course, like 514 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 1: the you know, the first thing is let's let's let's 515 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: to steady the thing. Let's get the let's get the 516 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,400 Speaker 1: ships steady, Like Russell is like that, we're gonna get 517 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: the ship steadied. Now we might not be going full 518 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: boar ahead, but we're not going to feel like we're 519 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,159 Speaker 1: sinking as a as an organization, as a you know, 520 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,159 Speaker 1: as a coaching staff, as a personal department. Let's just 521 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 1: steady it and then win some loose time like five hundred. 522 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 1: We can get kind of in that five hundred mode, 523 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: and then eventually it's like we want to introduce the 524 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 1: upside and the excitement of Jackson Dart to get some 525 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,400 Speaker 1: hope and some some build up for really a lot 526 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: of forward momentum. But I think before you can get 527 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,880 Speaker 1: the forward momentum and the propulsion there and get excited, 528 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: you gotta steady it. And I think that's I mean, 529 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 1: really at this point in his career, I think that's 530 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 1: what you're getting from Russell Wilson. 531 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 2: So I had my college strength coach, Jeff mad Dog. 532 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 2: Madn used to always talk about you gotta crawl before 533 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 2: you can walk, and walk before you can run, and 534 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 2: what the giants are doing if you're really looking at it, like, 535 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 2: hey man, before we can go to thirty to winning 536 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 2: thirteen let's see if we can get to eight. It 537 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 2: was a quarterback that can get us to eight. So 538 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,640 Speaker 2: we can show some progress, build some confidence and then 539 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 2: go to the next level. When you think about Russell Wilson, 540 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,640 Speaker 2: and look, I know people talk about how the things 541 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 2: fell apart for Pittsburgh at the end, but he did 542 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 2: similar stuff in Pittsburgh. Not saying that Justin Fields didn't 543 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 2: play well, but he was brought in initially. Hey, let's 544 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 2: just steady it for a little bit. 545 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,199 Speaker 1: Let's just get what's there. There's stuff there, and just 546 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 1: get us some stuff. 547 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 2: That's there, solid enough, don't lose the game, just get 548 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 2: us there. Let's be good enough for Brian Dayball coming 549 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 2: off of where they come off the last couple of years. 550 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:40,439 Speaker 2: Steady Yeddie, I just want consistency. Whatever whatever that floor is, cool, 551 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 2: we can win with that if I know what the 552 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 2: floor is. And one thing that we can say Russell 553 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 2: Wilson for the majority of his career, we know exactly 554 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,679 Speaker 2: what we're getting each and every week when he does that, 555 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 2: he doesn't deliver those high moments that he used to. 556 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,880 Speaker 2: But in terms of Steady Eddie leadership in tangibles, all 557 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 2: of those qualities. It's hard to deny what he brings 558 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 2: to the table in therey. 559 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: Go yeah, and we'll see how much Jackson Dart plays 560 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 1: this year. I still think we see him a decent amount, 561 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: and maybe in the back half of the year. But 562 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: you want to come out of this year. To me, 563 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: if you can come out of this year and you're 564 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,120 Speaker 1: a five hundred team, you know you're right around five hundred, man, 565 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: that's that you feel like you're heading in the right 566 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: direction and you see maybe even even if it was 567 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:21,640 Speaker 1: just a little bit of Jackson Dart, you just saw 568 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: a little bit of him and saw some of the flashes. 569 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: You know, that's the opposite of Russ. Like Russ, you're 570 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: not going to get the flashes, but you're just hoping 571 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 1: you get that that middle tier just steady eddy, you know, consistent, 572 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: don't turn the ball over, trying not to take as 573 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: many sacks like that type stuff. Whereas Jackson Dart gets introduced, 574 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,959 Speaker 1: you're gonna see some explosives, you can move around, make 575 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: some plays happen with his legs. Like so, I'm if 576 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: you're going to script a perfect year for the Giants, 577 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 1: that's to me what it looks like you know, a 578 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 1: lot of Russell Wilson and a sprinkle of Jackson Dart 579 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: steady the ship. But then show the promise of what 580 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,360 Speaker 1: the future can look like with Malik Neighbors, that young 581 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: defensive line. You have a lot of good pieces there. Man, 582 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,640 Speaker 1: it's division that's that's going to be tough. But they 583 00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,880 Speaker 1: do have a lot of nice young corp. 584 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 2: You had nice young core pieces. If they can lean 585 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 2: into the defense, Russell Wilson play a complimentary If they 586 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 2: can find a way to run the ball retiring Tracy, 587 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 2: throw it outside the Malik Neighbors, maybe they can scratch 588 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 2: out wins. It's the belief that the veteran quarterback with 589 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 2: Super Bowl experience is going to be able to win. 590 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 2: That's what Brian dave Ball is hanging his head on, 591 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:18,479 Speaker 2: all right. 592 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 1: Last one on the quarterback situation here Jerry Jones, Man 593 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,880 Speaker 1: Dak caught some shrapnel on the in the conversation there 594 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 1: with Michael Parsons from Jerry Jones talking about the downside 595 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: of when you pay these contracts and basically it, you know, 596 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 1: blasted Dak. I don't think he maybe intending to blast 597 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: him the way he did, but man, he got some 598 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 1: shrapnel on, Hey pay him all this money he wasn't 599 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 1: even available. 600 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 2: I mean, there is some of that. And ultimately, DJ 601 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 2: I've said this and I believe this. Some of the 602 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 2: delayed with Michael Parsons comes down to the decision that 603 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,400 Speaker 2: the Cowboys have to make Michael Parsons versus Dak Prescott, right, 604 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 2: Because when you pay Michael Parsons forty one forty two 605 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 2: million dollars, it makes it harder to pay him forty 606 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,360 Speaker 2: two and Dak Prescott to make sixty. I mean, it's 607 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 2: just that's just that's just that's just the reality, because 608 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 2: that's what the number is going to be. And you're 609 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 2: the Cowboys, and you're trying to slow play this and 610 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,400 Speaker 2: and maybe you are trying to take this as long 611 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 2: as you can take it to figure out what the 612 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 2: relationship looks like with Brian Schottenheimer and Dak Prescott and 613 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,919 Speaker 2: if you want to weigh one against the other. But 614 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 2: here's what we know. As much as Michael Parsons wants 615 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,959 Speaker 2: to get paid, the leverage is still in the Cowboys' 616 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 2: hands because they have the franchise tag. And even though 617 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,919 Speaker 2: it may be cost prohibitive, like right now, Michael Parsons 618 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 2: is making twenty four, they can if they want to 619 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 2: take this into the regular season to see who looks 620 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 2: like what before they make a decision. To me, I 621 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 2: do feel like it's number four versus number eleven and 622 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 2: which one is going to get paid. 623 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: I'm looking at it. I mean eight games last year 624 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: for Dak the year before you got the money, because 625 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 1: he was seventy percent completion forty five hundred and thirty 626 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: six and nine with a one oh five quarterback rating. 627 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: So last year you only get eight games out of them, 628 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: eleven touchdowns, eight picks. So I guess when you shell 629 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 1: out cash as an owner, maybe we're not used to 630 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 1: hearing them say it publicly, but you know, if that was, 631 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 1: you know, that's a conversation's taking place behind the scenes, 632 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 1: Like gosh, man, we got underperformance and a lack of 633 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 1: durability and I just scratched that money. And I guess 634 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: none of us have ever written a check like that, 635 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: So it's hard for us to critique Jerry Jones on 636 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: that front. We just don't see it very often. Normally. 637 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 1: Don't say that publicly. 638 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 2: Oh well, I mean it's not something that you would advise, 639 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 2: but you know, man. Jerry's the old uncle that the 640 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 2: holiday oh boy, you know, taken away from Grandpa. We 641 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 2: to get the mic away from and that's what happens, 642 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 2: and what it does is he creates a hard thing 643 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 2: because it's one thing to have a negotiation, but those 644 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 2: fieldings are feelings, so saw, I don't know if you 645 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 2: saw it, like with Jane Slater when she interviewed Michael 646 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 2: Parson's and Trayvon Diggs. Their feelings are hurt, you know. 647 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 2: And I understand if people say the money is the money, 648 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 2: but like there's a human part of this when it 649 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 2: comes to the relationship in the locker room. So now 650 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 2: Brian Schottenheimer has to go and kind of smoothed over 651 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 2: some of these hurt feelings to get the guys to 652 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 2: play at the level he needs to play him at. 653 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 2: It's an interesting building, that's what we'll say. The Dallas Cowboys. 654 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 2: Very interesting conversations that are head in those walls. 655 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I am excited to see George Pickens, though, I'm 656 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 1: excited to see what George Pickens and Ceedee Lamb look 657 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:36,959 Speaker 1: like together. 658 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just saying, like with what is lined 659 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,719 Speaker 2: up because we talk about the dominoes falling DJ if 660 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 2: they have a good year with George Pickens and Dak 661 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 2: Prescott balls out. So this thing about the money that 662 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 2: has to go to him, you also got to earmark 663 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 2: some money for George Pickens because you're gonna want to 664 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 2: keep that together if it looks like the way that 665 00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 2: you want to look. Okay, all right, so you got CD, 666 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 2: George Pickens a quarterback. What we got enough to pay 667 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 2: the pass rusher? 668 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: Hm? 669 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 2: I mean you know what I mean? Like, there's some 670 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 2: decisions that have to be made, and so this is 671 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 2: not just one v one player versus player. This is 672 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 2: what is the best path forward for us to compete 673 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 2: at a high level. I'm not saying that Michael Parsons 674 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 2: is replaceable, but who's more replaceable? The quarterback of the 675 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 2: pass rusher? We can look at all those things kind 676 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 2: of come into play because you've got to pay everybody. 677 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, I'm interesting. The Cowboys are an intriguing team 678 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: to follow, and don't worry, we'll be falling plenty of 679 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 1: them on our network or the next couple of weeks. 680 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: Second that Buck one week from tonight, I got the 681 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame game. Man, I'm being Canton, Ohio and 682 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 1: we got Chargers Lions and this thing is this thing 683 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 1: kicked off, man. 684 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 2: It's kicked off. And I'll be in studio. I'll be 685 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 2: in studio. Are you nicely pre impost like whatever it is, 686 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 2: I'll I'll get a chance to be there. You get 687 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 2: a chance to see Antonio Gase and that crew. Uh 688 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 2: gets celebrated and talked about as the Hall of Fame 689 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 2: class goes in. So Eric Allen too, my buddy, Eric Allen. 690 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: I know yeay, san Diego guy man, We've we've got 691 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 1: to know each other over the years. Point Loma High 692 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 1: School's finest. Excited for him. He he's a good dude. 693 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 2: Man. 694 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: All Right, let's uh, let's get out of here. We'll 695 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 1: be back next week again. We'll have gosh, we're gonna 696 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 1: have preseason football to talk about here. I can't believe 697 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 1: we made it this far. Anything else you want to 698 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 1: jump on before we hit out here? 699 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 2: Buck? No, I think we covered a lot. We went 700 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 2: a little with the four Gammick all the quarterbacks and 701 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 2: then Michael Parson. 702 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 1: So we've got some training camp tours for each of us, 703 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 1: so we'll have we'll have some reaction from the camps 704 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: we're at as well, so be on the lookout for 705 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 1: some fresh move the sticks coming your way next week. 706 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 1: We'll see you then