Speaker 1: From Bloomberg News and iHeartRadio. It's the big Take. I'm
Speaker 1: West Cassova today what comes next for Donald Trump. There's
Speaker 1: been an avalanche of news coverage and what it means
Speaker 1: analysis about Donald Trump's indictment in New York on Thursday.
Speaker 1: A former president has been indicted. Donald Trump's lawyer says
Speaker 1: he is expected to be arraigned on charges as early
Speaker 1: as Tuesday. A grand jury in Manhattan decided there was
Speaker 1: enough evidence to proceed with a case against him for
Speaker 1: directing hush money payments to a porn star during his
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen campaign. It's the first indictment against Trump, but
Speaker 1: not necessarily the last, and it might not even be
Speaker 1: the one that ultimately poses the greatest league peril for
Speaker 1: the former president. Listen, there are probes into Trump's possible
Speaker 1: incitement of the January six protesters. There's an investigation of
Speaker 1: his handling of classified material found at Mara Lago. So really,
Speaker 1: however this plays out, there could be other indictments or
Speaker 1: legal setbacks coming ahead for the president. All of that
Speaker 1: will believe. So today we look beyond that case to
Speaker 1: assess the other ongoing criminal investigations and civil cases involving Trump.
Speaker 1: Bloomberg Legal correspondence Zoe Tillman and Eric Larson have been
Speaker 1: tracking them all where they stand, how serious they are,
Speaker 1: and what to expect in the weeks and months ahead. Zoe,
Speaker 1: everyone is understandably talking about the Trump indictment, but there
Speaker 1: are many other investigations related to the former president that
Speaker 1: are still underway. Start by just telling us what is
Speaker 1: the next one that you're really looking at. I think
Speaker 1: that's the million dollar question, because we don't know. And
Speaker 1: for the past few months it sort of felt like,
Speaker 1: you know, one week, all the attention was on the
Speaker 1: investigation in Georgia, where Trump is under investigation for you
Speaker 1: did he commit state crimes in connection with trying to
Speaker 1: undo President Bines win in the twenty twenty election, And
Speaker 1: then you know, the next week it moves over to Washington,
Speaker 1: where there is a Justice Department Special Counsel Jack Smith,
Speaker 1: who is overseeing two separate investigations surrounding Trump. One also
Speaker 1: related to January sixth, and whether there were any federal
Speaker 1: crimes committed across the country by Trump and his supporters,
Speaker 1: and then also into whether Trump or anyone else committed
Speaker 1: crimes for mishandling classified information, all the documents that were
Speaker 1: found at his Marilago estate, and then the New York
Speaker 1: case kind of leap frogged ahead of those. So you know,
Speaker 1: we don't know what's coming next, and it could be
Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks we get a federal indictment
Speaker 1: in one or both of the Jack Smith matter. It
Speaker 1: could be coming up in the spring. We get action
Speaker 1: out of Fulton County. Fulton County, of course, that's Georgia.
Speaker 1: You know, we get drips and drabs on those probes.
Speaker 1: There's a lot looming and arguably, you know, with higher
Speaker 1: stakes in terms of the types of crimes under investigation
Speaker 1: and the amount of prison time they carry. So you know,
Speaker 1: we don't know what's coming next, and we don't know
Speaker 1: when something might be coming next, but we know there's
Speaker 1: a lot out there. It's interesting the point you make
Speaker 1: about these other cases potentially being more serious, because right
Speaker 1: now we have Trump and his allies really pushing back
Speaker 1: hard on the idea that this case is in nothing burger.
Speaker 1: You know, it's relates to payments to a porn start.
Speaker 1: All sounds like a little bit tabloidy, right, But these
Speaker 1: other cases are so much more significant. I mean in
Speaker 1: Fulton County, potentially crimes related to trying to overturn the
Speaker 1: election there with his phone call pressuring state officials to
Speaker 1: find more votes. And then, of course, you know January sixth,
Speaker 1: an insurrection, and then all these hundreds of documents, many
Speaker 1: of them classified, some highly classified, carted off tomorrow lago.
Speaker 1: You know, when these other cases, if they come, if
Speaker 1: he is charged, there's going to be so much more
Speaker 1: at stake for him, and it's going to be a
Speaker 1: lot harder to push back on some of these other
Speaker 1: potential crimes because a lot of them we witness events
Speaker 1: around them, happen right on TV in front of our eyes,
Speaker 1: and they've already been recent court cases related to them,
Speaker 1: you know, the fight over the search warrants in Florida
Speaker 1: and whatnot. So this is crazy as this feels now,
Speaker 1: it's potentially going to get so much crazier. So let's
Speaker 1: take a moment now that you've spelled out the range
Speaker 1: of cases and start to just go through them, and maybe, Zoe,
Speaker 1: why don't we start with the Justice Department cases. The
Speaker 1: Justice Department activity entered a new phase late last year
Speaker 1: when the Attorney General Merik Garland brought in Jack Smith,
Speaker 1: who was a long time former Justice Department official and
Speaker 1: had then over to the Hague and the Netherlands to
Speaker 1: lead war crimes prosecutions. He had brought Jack Smith back
Speaker 1: to the United States to oversee two different investigations that
Speaker 1: were already well underway. I'm here today to announce the
Speaker 1: appointment of a special Council in connection with two ongoing
Speaker 1: criminal investigations that have received significant public attention. The first,
Speaker 1: as ascribed in court filings in the District of Columbia,
Speaker 1: is the investigation first was into whether Trump longly not
Speaker 1: only took classified material and other government records that he
Speaker 1: was not supposed to take from the White House when
Speaker 1: his term ended, but then held onto them even after
Speaker 1: the National Archives got in touch and said you're not
Speaker 1: supposed to have those, we need those back. So there
Speaker 1: was an ongoing investigation sort of happening behind the scenes
Speaker 1: that broke out into the open when last summer the
Speaker 1: FBI agents went to Mara Lago with a search warrant,
Speaker 1: which was another unprecedented moment in the history of things
Speaker 1: happening around Donald Trump, and they executed that search warrant
Speaker 1: and they took away boxes of documents, thousands of documents,
Speaker 1: hundreds of which have classified markings. So there was that
Speaker 1: investigation that Jack Smith was then put in charge of.
Speaker 1: And where does that case stand now. It's a bit
Speaker 1: of a black box at the moment. We know grand
Speaker 1: jury proceedings are secret, so there's only so much that
Speaker 1: we know about the timeline. We know that it's ongoing,
Speaker 1: we know that it's open, We know that they are
Speaker 1: still putting witnesses before the grand jury. You know, we
Speaker 1: don't know what sort of timeline Smith has to then
Speaker 1: go to the Attorney General if they need to have
Speaker 1: a discussion about bringing charges, and what that would look
Speaker 1: like at which point, you know, if there is a
Speaker 1: recommendation going back to the grand jury to get an indictment.
Speaker 1: You know, Trump has denied that he did anything wrong
Speaker 1: when it came to the documents, and that this is
Speaker 1: all sound and fury. That being said, the US government
Speaker 1: takes the mishandling of classified information extremely seriously, and there
Speaker 1: are a number of federal primes, misdemeanors, and felonies that
Speaker 1: they can charge someone for having classified information when they shouldn't,
Speaker 1: even if it wasn't an espionage type situation. And then
Speaker 1: there's the obstruction component if they decide that there was
Speaker 1: a willful effort to get in the way of returning
Speaker 1: these documents, if you know, if they were misleading the
Speaker 1: Archives and the Justice Department. There's a range of felonies
Speaker 1: that carry a significant amount of potential prison time, although
Speaker 1: someone like Trump wouldn't normally face those upper limits even
Speaker 1: if he were convicted down the road. So that alone
Speaker 1: is quite a lot of exposure for one person, let
Speaker 1: alone one of several potential indictments, and we should mention
Speaker 1: that Mark Carland, the Attorney General, also had to appoint
Speaker 1: a special counsel in the case of Joe Biden, who
Speaker 1: was found to also have documents in his garage, So
Speaker 1: an investigation is under way for that too, Eric, And
Speaker 1: that's just one of the Justice Department cases against Trump.
Speaker 1: Can you talk about the other? The other investigation is
Speaker 1: looking into the events around January sixth and the overall
Speaker 1: efforts to overturn the election nationwide as a wide ranging effort.
Speaker 1: We all saw a lot of the efforts by his allies.
Speaker 1: We don't know exactly to what extents Trump personally would
Speaker 1: be on the hook for any of this. Of course,
Speaker 1: he's been accused of inciting the insurrection and directing his
Speaker 1: supporters to bring court cases across the US, all of
Speaker 1: which scenario sort of failed, and of course the events
Speaker 1: on January sixth, But as far as how it might
Speaker 1: be pieced together into a potential criminal case, I don't
Speaker 1: think we have any clue, or at least I don't
Speaker 1: exactly how they're building that or even how much they're
Speaker 1: emphasizing that investigation over others. We know also for January
Speaker 1: sixth that Jack Smith is still bringing people into the courthouse.
Speaker 1: They've still got outstanding subpoenas, some of those are still
Speaker 1: being litigated. It doesn't have the feeling that it's imminent
Speaker 1: to the extent they feel like they really need to
Speaker 1: hear from Mike Penn's former White House aids you folks
Speaker 1: who are waiting in the queue to come into court
Speaker 1: and wants a judge or an appeals court finally resolves
Speaker 1: these challenges that Trump, I should add, has mostly lost,
Speaker 1: I mean entirely lost at this point. And if Trump
Speaker 1: does get charged in relation to January sixth, the cases
Speaker 1: we've seen so far over January six with the members
Speaker 1: of the militia and the individuals who have challenged the charges.
Speaker 1: It hasn't really gone well for a lot of them,
Speaker 1: So you already get a sense that these juries are
Speaker 1: looking at these mountains of evidence and sort of drawing
Speaker 1: some pretty severe conclusions. But the big question is will
Speaker 1: that be enough to charge Trump with something specifically? And
Speaker 1: that's not the only investigation into Ruary six that Trump
Speaker 1: is involved in, and you know, there's potential legal exposure
Speaker 1: for him that is moving along at already a faster
Speaker 1: pace than the criminal probe, which is a set of
Speaker 1: civil cases that have been filed that he's been litigating,
Speaker 1: brought by Democrats in Congress and police officers who were
Speaker 1: there at the Capitol that day and you know, in
Speaker 1: the middle of the violence, seeking to hold him civilly
Speaker 1: liable for that, and judges have already said that he
Speaker 1: cannot claim absolute immunity against those, and he's fighting that
Speaker 1: in an appeals court right now, but the Justice Department
Speaker 1: has said that they are not going to back his
Speaker 1: immunity claim on that. So you know, in terms of
Speaker 1: getting evidence out me open in a courtroom, those civil
Speaker 1: cases have the potential to put a lot more of
Speaker 1: that out on the table than the criminal cases, even
Speaker 1: depending on how long it takes before we see anything
Speaker 1: out of the criminal side. More with Zoe and Eric
Speaker 1: when we come back Eric. Before the break, Zoe mentioned
Speaker 1: the case in Georgia having to do with Trump's efforts
Speaker 1: to overturn the twenty twenty election. Where does that case stand. Yes,
Speaker 1: So just to catch everyone up on what has happened
Speaker 1: in Fulton County so far. Fannie willis the district attorney
Speaker 1: in Fulton County where Atlanta is. She was elected in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty and started her job just right around the
Speaker 1: time of the insurrection. So a lot of people were
Speaker 1: looking at Georgia because it was such an important swing state.
Speaker 1: It was one of the states where Trump and his
Speaker 1: allies tried really hard in court to overturn Joe Biden's victory.
Speaker 1: There an alleging voter fraud that did not occur. Eventually,
Speaker 1: some audio recording came out of Trump pressuring state officials,
Speaker 1: the governor, the Secretary of States Brad Raefensberger to find
Speaker 1: more votes. So there was a lot going on behind
Speaker 1: the scenes with Trump and his allies trying to flip
Speaker 1: Georgia to his side, and obviously that it didn't work. Out.
Speaker 1: But once news of this effort got out, Fannie Willis
Speaker 1: opened an investigation. And what we know is that a
Speaker 1: special grand jury was convened that heard from dozens of
Speaker 1: witnesses over a period of several months. And the way
Speaker 1: the system works in Georgia is that this special grand
Speaker 1: jury made a recommendation about indictments. So we don't know
Speaker 1: what those recommendations were. But in February they issued their reports.
Speaker 1: Part of it was made public, not very much of it,
Speaker 1: but sort of the intro and the conclusion, which indicated
Speaker 1: that they had recommended some indictments, but we don't know who.
Speaker 1: So now what we are expecting the DA to bring
Speaker 1: a case to a regular grand jury that we think
Speaker 1: potentially could convene in early May. We don't know exactly
Speaker 1: how long that's going to take, but we understand that
Speaker 1: those regular grand juries last about two months. Clearly, the
Speaker 1: special grand jury that got a first glimpse at this
Speaker 1: evidence thought that what happened in Georgia with Trump and
Speaker 1: his allies someone violated some state laws. Yeah, and we
Speaker 1: had the pretty extraordinary moment of a member of that
Speaker 1: special grand jury going on television to talk about it,
Speaker 1: suggesting I would say, suggesting strongly that they had recommended
Speaker 1: charges and probably recommended charges against Donald Trump, although she
Speaker 1: wouldn't say it. We rarely get that kind of insight
Speaker 1: into a grand jury, but this special grand jury was
Speaker 1: given leave to do that. They didn't have the power
Speaker 1: to vote to indict. So we don't know what Fannie
Speaker 1: Willis will do with whatever the grand jury wants her
Speaker 1: to do. And what is Trump said about this investigation?
Speaker 1: In this case, In addition to denying having done anything wrong,
Speaker 1: he said that his call with the state officials was
Speaker 1: a perfect call, not his only perfect call. So he
Speaker 1: says he did nothing wrong, and he says that the
Speaker 1: case is politically motivated, a witch hunt like the others
Speaker 1: and Zoe. It's early days, as you say. And ultimately,
Speaker 1: if charges are brought, what does Trump potentially face. I
Speaker 1: think the prevailing theory is that it would be some
Speaker 1: kind of racketeering case, grouping together not just Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: but other people that we've all become very familiar with,
Speaker 1: maybe Rudy Giuliani or John Eastman, you know, these lawyers
Speaker 1: on the right who were part of directing the efforts
Speaker 1: on the ground in these states to try and undo
Speaker 1: the election, trying to convince state legislators to stop the
Speaker 1: certification from happening, and both of them say they two
Speaker 1: did nothing wrong. There are state actors and all of
Speaker 1: this too, you know, members of the state legislature in
Speaker 1: Georgia who might be implicated. It's state crimes. It's not
Speaker 1: a federal case, so it's different requirements, different players. You know,
Speaker 1: it's possible there other state crimes similar to what is
Speaker 1: under investigation on the federal side, but you obstructing generally
Speaker 1: or fraud. Unlike in the New York case, where it
Speaker 1: was always very clear, I think what the focus was,
Speaker 1: it was much narrower. There's just a range of things
Speaker 1: that could be on the table in both the Justice
Speaker 1: Department and the Fulton County case, just Fulton County specific
Speaker 1: to Georgia and Justice Department nationwide. When we come back,
Speaker 1: what to watch for in the months ahead, Eric, there
Speaker 1: are also civil lawsuits ongoing right now. Can you tell
Speaker 1: us about them? On April twenty fifth, Donald Trump is
Speaker 1: set to go on trial in a civil sexual assault
Speaker 1: case filed against him last year by Aging Carroll, a
Speaker 1: well known New York author of former l magazine advice
Speaker 1: columnists who alleges that Trump raped her in the nineteen
Speaker 1: nineties in a department store dressing room in Manhattan, and
Speaker 1: she filed the suit last year under a new New
Speaker 1: York law that lifted the statute of limitations on these
Speaker 1: older assault claims temporarily for one year. So I believe
Speaker 1: her suit against Trump was actually the first one to
Speaker 1: be filed on the day that this law took effect.
Speaker 1: And now it's already set for trial. And it also
Speaker 1: includes a claim for defamation, claiming that one of his
Speaker 1: truth social posts on social media attacking her last October
Speaker 1: defamed her. So this whole case has been set to
Speaker 1: go for trial. Trump has said that he was going
Speaker 1: to take the witness stand in his own defense. Aging
Speaker 1: Carroll was also set to testify, and also several other
Speaker 1: witnesses who say they can back up her story. Trump
Speaker 1: has repeatedly denied raping Eging Carroll and claims that her
Speaker 1: allegation against him was politically motivated. But we don't know
Speaker 1: exactly what's going to happen to this trial now with
Speaker 1: this indictment. So far, on neither side has asked to
Speaker 1: move the case. I know the judge has said he's
Speaker 1: very determined to keep it going no matter what. So
Speaker 1: on top of that, in October, Trump is again set
Speaker 1: to go on trial, along with three of his kids
Speaker 1: and his company in a two hundred and fifty million
Speaker 1: dollar fraud lawsuit brought by the New York Attorney General,
Speaker 1: Letitia James. That suit followed years of investigation claims that
Speaker 1: they all inflated the value of Trump's assets for years,
Speaker 1: specifically to get better terms on loans and insurance and
Speaker 1: things like that, and essentially reaped two hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: million dollars in improper games over that time. She wants
Speaker 1: to claw all that back, and she also wants to
Speaker 1: ban the Trumps from being directors of any New York
Speaker 1: based company, which could have significant consequences of course for them,
Speaker 1: with the Trump Organization being based in Manhattan. Trump and
Speaker 1: his company and also his kids have denied wrongdoing, and
Speaker 1: right now they've lost their motions to dismiss the discovery,
Speaker 1: and the case is ongoing and it is set for
Speaker 1: trial in October and then also in New York. Separate
Speaker 1: from these cases that really dominated the headlines during his
Speaker 1: presidency and post presidency, there's other litigation that predates his
Speaker 1: time in the White House. There's a case pending in
Speaker 1: New York brought by disgruntled investors who say that they
Speaker 1: put their money into this videophone technology because Trump had
Speaker 1: come on and the spokesperson for it saying, this is
Speaker 1: a great investment. Trust me, I'm a great businessman. And
Speaker 1: these investors say that they were duped, that they weren't
Speaker 1: informed that he was being paid to come out and
Speaker 1: tout this investment opportunity, and that it was a really
Speaker 1: bad investment opportunity and they lost a lot of money.
Speaker 1: And that case has kind of been proceeding in the background,
Speaker 1: and I believe Eric you reported Trump sat for a
Speaker 1: deposition in that case in the fall, So that seems
Speaker 1: to be moving forward as well. And it's not related
Speaker 1: to his political activities. It's not related to the insurrection,
Speaker 1: but it's more legal liability that he has to face
Speaker 1: at some point. We should say, the device Trump promoted
Speaker 1: was sold by a company called ac and the company
Speaker 1: is not a defendant in this case and has not
Speaker 1: been accused of any wrongdoing. Yeah. The interesting thing about
Speaker 1: that case too, is that it really relates to his
Speaker 1: behavior as a businessman and not even to his normal
Speaker 1: Trump organization type business with real estate and everything like that,
Speaker 1: but his marketing and his persona. These plaintiffs, they're seeking
Speaker 1: a class action status, which is yet to be decided
Speaker 1: before the case goes to trial, depending on how many
Speaker 1: plainists end up being part of this class. If indeed
Speaker 1: there is a class approved, it could end up being
Speaker 1: millions of dollars in damages here. Trump ends his three
Speaker 1: adult kids, Don Junior, Eric Trump, and Ivanka Trump are
Speaker 1: also defendants in that case and his company. They've all
Speaker 1: and i'd wrongdoing. It certainly should be a very interesting
Speaker 1: trial if it happens, So Zoe, how will all these
Speaker 1: various prosecutors, judges, lawyers decide the order they should go in?
Speaker 1: Is there going to be a pile up where Donald
Speaker 1: Trump potentially could be appearing in courtroom after courtroom, month
Speaker 1: after month. I mean, the short answer to that is yes.
Speaker 1: You know, there is a certain amount of coordination that
Speaker 1: goes on among lawyers and judges and court personnel. Most
Speaker 1: people in this system have an interest in moving these along,
Speaker 1: and judges are not going to interfere with another judges
Speaker 1: hearing trial date. That's incumbent on the lawyers to make
Speaker 1: sure that they communicate that kind of stuff to judges,
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, you know, we
Speaker 1: would expect to see a lot of requests for delayed
Speaker 1: deadlines for filings and motions, hearings that might need to
Speaker 1: be rescheduled. As a defendant in a criminal case, that
Speaker 1: is likely going to take priority over everything else that's
Speaker 1: going on. There are certain rights, you know, important constitutional
Speaker 1: rights that he now has as a criminal defendant. The
Speaker 1: judge is going to be very sensitive to that, especially
Speaker 1: given the circumstances, and if there are deadlines in that
Speaker 1: criminal case, those are likely going to take some precedence.
Speaker 1: I would expect, and I've talked to sources who said
Speaker 1: this over some of the civil matters. You know, he's
Speaker 1: running for president, which we haven't really talked about that much. Well,
Speaker 1: let's talk about that too. We expect that Donald Trump
Speaker 1: is going to have to take time off of the
Speaker 1: campaign trail to testify in cases in the middle of
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four campaign. It's possible. I think prosecutors,
Speaker 1: you know, are going to try to avoid that as
Speaker 1: much as they have an interest in not getting dragged
Speaker 1: down into a discussion about whether this is all politically motivated,
Speaker 1: which they will say it is not, but they don't
Speaker 1: want to be taking him off the campaign trail to
Speaker 1: get into court. It's not going to be a good look,
Speaker 1: and you know, public relations wise, that's going to be
Speaker 1: a problem. It's going to get really difficult, I think,
Speaker 1: to get them all sorted. If there are multiple cases
Speaker 1: before the primaries pick up early in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: As the two of you are both covering all of
Speaker 1: these cases, what are the ones that you think pose
Speaker 1: the biggest legal peril for the former president. I don't
Speaker 1: know exactly what the January sixth or election interference case
Speaker 1: could potentially look like, because it's just so broad and
Speaker 1: there's so many different potential cases that could be put together.
Speaker 1: So I kind of wonder if the classified records case
Speaker 1: doesn't sort of stand out as being potentially the most serious.
Speaker 1: The court finalings that we have seen related to the
Speaker 1: Moralogo search also specify certain crimes that carry quite a
Speaker 1: lot of prison time, and again not saying that he
Speaker 1: would face anywhere near the maximum. It's not really how
Speaker 1: that works, but it is a lot more in both
Speaker 1: of those cases than what he seems to be likely
Speaker 1: to face in New York on the hush money charges.
Speaker 1: As we've seen, the New York case over the hush
Speaker 1: money would not disqualify him from running or serving as
Speaker 1: president even if he were convicted. Do any of these
Speaker 1: other cases disqualify him from serving as president? A conviction
Speaker 1: on a lot of these crimes does not necessarily stop
Speaker 1: him from being president should he win that election. On
Speaker 1: the classified documents side, there are certain offenses that do
Speaker 1: disqualify someone from holding office, but there's some uncertainty about
Speaker 1: how that would apply to the presidency. But you know,
Speaker 1: he can run for office right now. If he's facing
Speaker 1: ten thousand criminal charges, it doesn't matter. And let's be honest,
Speaker 1: this criminal case actually is really going to galvanize him
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. And this is the perfect
Speaker 1: kind of backdrop almost for part of his campaign, which
Speaker 1: is largely based on this idea of Democrats attacking and
Speaker 1: trying to silence Republicans, trying to destroy the Make America
Speaker 1: Great movement, that sort of thing. I think it's important
Speaker 1: to say at the end that regardless of what happens
Speaker 1: in any of this, every prosecutor, state or federal will
Speaker 1: tell you that the goal in bringing charges against someone
Speaker 1: is not to serve some other political purpose. And at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, the DA's Office, the Justice Department,
Speaker 1: the Fulton County District Attorney's office, if they're presenting a
Speaker 1: case that they can't win in front of a jury,
Speaker 1: that's a huge problem for them, and they know that
Speaker 1: going into this. So, you know, setting aside sort of
Speaker 1: the larger political conversation, you know, at the point that
Speaker 1: we get to an indictment, at least in theory, it's
Speaker 1: supposed to mean that law enforcement is convinced that a
Speaker 1: crime has been committed, and you know, they really can't
Speaker 1: just bring an indictment to make a statement and then
Speaker 1: walk away. They have to see this through. I think
Speaker 1: it's just important to remember that this is the beginning
Speaker 1: and not the end of this process. Zoe, Eric, thanks
Speaker 1: so much for coming on the show. Thank you, thanks
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