WEBVTT - Erica Campbell 0:00:01.680 --> 0:00:04.720 R and B Money. 0:00:05.280 --> 0:00:05.760 We are. 0:00:07.400 --> 0:00:15.520 Thanks take vlochie. We are the authority on R and 0:00:15.600 --> 0:00:17.080 B Ladies and gentleman. 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:20.320 Name is Tankaline and this is the R and B 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:23.279 Money Podcast, the authority. 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:26.239 Come on on all things. 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:36.440 And oh my god, your vocals, oh shackles off my feet. 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:39.720 So he's got it's gotta be the guy. 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:45.320 In between my say sensual moments. 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:49.440 I take time, huh to give the Lord. 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:51.400 His just due. 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:55.240 And today is to day we are gonna get Jay 0:00:55.360 --> 0:01:02.080 Valentine saved today. Call today gotty whip for who we 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:06.600 got in the building. I can't say enough about this 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:10.560 young lady, a Grammy Award winning I mean, changing the 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:16.680 trajectory of a message, showing God in a way that 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:20.040 is just just the way I'd love to see it. 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:25.080 And she's here the first time I'm gonna say the 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:30.920 first Ladies, Erica Campbell of Mary Larry's in. 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:32.840 The Pillar, thank you. 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:35.560 Glad to be here, Glad to be here. 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:45.200 Finally, I remember coming here, moving to La in two thousand. 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:50.320 Good friends of mine, good friends of all of us. 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:55.200 Rapture at the time was my musical director and producing 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:59.080 all this music for us East seats. Everybody nice to 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:01.200 go over the raption and church and hang out with 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:02.960 them all the time. You know what I'm saying, still 0:02:03.040 --> 0:02:05.840 trying to keep my church ways as I've moved out 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:11.959 into California, you know. And and Rapture was like, man, 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:17.600 you gotta you gotta hear these girls called Mary Mary. 0:02:17.840 --> 0:02:24.799 I was like, Mary married the names. I was like, 0:02:24.840 --> 0:02:27.880 I don't know about that name, but the gospel they crazy. 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:31.239 And Warren is produced, I said, Warren, like Warren Warren, Yeah, 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:33.800 it it's crazy. I was like, this a right, Like, 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:36.000 what kind of gospel is it? Though, I'm telling you 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:43.360 it's different. You gotta see it. You guys jumped on 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:49.320 that scene, and I was my prayers had been asked, 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:54.560 I have. I'm having the same conversation with you that 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:59.200 I had with Kirk when I said, that's what I 0:02:59.240 --> 0:03:03.600 was trying to hell everybody, that's what we should do. 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:12.280 We our message it should be competitive, Absolutely, it should be. 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:14.480 It should be fightd. 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:17.359 So if we, I think, if we serve the creator 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:21.120 of the universe, right, what did creation look like when 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:24.040 he said let there be stars, and stars just appeared 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:25.880 the whole galaxy? What did that look like when he 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:28.000 made birds and whales? 0:03:28.040 --> 0:03:31.360 And elephants. It was a show. It's the best show 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:33.400 you ever seen, right. 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:36.120 So then why do I have to sing about God 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:38.960 and be boring and little ashy? 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:41.560 And you know what I mean? God? 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:44.040 So when Mary Mary first came out, we were at 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:46.760 the salon getting our hair done and the CD cover 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:51.160 was on the table and this guy was like, oh, man, 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:51.720 who was this? 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:52.320 They fine? 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:55.720 I was like, that's gospel music. He was like, saying gospel. 0:03:56.080 --> 0:03:58.360 I said, why can't it be gospel? He said, because 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:01.160 gospel is old, fat and bored. And I said, well, 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:03.600 do I look old, fat or boring? He was like, ah, 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:05.800 I said, that's me. I sen gospel. 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:08.560 He was like, oh, okay, okay, I want to check 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:08.880 it out. 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:10.720 And he you know, I think a lot of people 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:15.880 were just not expecting girls that looked like us to 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:17.280 be saying about the Lord. But I mean, I don't 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:19.720 think we were the first ones to look like us 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:20.720 that same gospel though. 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:28.080 Well, in our fairness, you kind of were in leading 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:33.360 the charge of like, you know, because there are rules. 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:37.080 I come from a Baptist church. There are rules. There 0:04:37.080 --> 0:04:40.840 were rules in terms of what women could wear, and 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:42.120 we were rule breakers. 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:45.720 We were rule breakers my father was a rule breaker 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:49.520 and so it wasn't foreign to me. So my father 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:52.520 did street ministry. So we were always like at the 0:04:52.600 --> 0:04:55.520 park with the gangs and the you know, and we 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:57.280 were telling them about Jesus, but we didn't go in 0:04:57.400 --> 0:04:58.720 long white dresses looking. 0:04:58.480 --> 0:04:59.560 Corny, you know what I mean. 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:02.719 And then and our youth ministry was full of beautiful 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:04.720 young girls. Like dudes used to come to our church, 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:06.520 and my aunt would say, invite them all, just don't 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:08.960 sleep with them, you know what I mean, Like, yes, 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:13.440 they can come, you know. So this this subject of 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:16.240 faith filled and also being cute. 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:18.599 And you know, I don't think sexy is a bad 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:21.279 word for Christian A lot of people. 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:23.920 Think it is. And sexy doesn't mean sexual. It doesn't 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:26.160 mean I'm sleeping everybody. It means I'm attractive. It means 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:28.440 that God put me in this package and so I 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:30.400 don't have to run from it or cover it up 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:32.039 because I'm singing about him. 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:34.080 I think all of this was on purpose, you know 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:34.520 what I mean. 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:37.120 And so when you look at it like that, it 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:38.839 doesn't mean that if you don't look like this, you 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:41.640 can't do. This is just my story in my path, 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:44.359 but my goal was to always let people see Jesus 0:05:44.400 --> 0:05:46.960 in a different light, because you know, on TV, it's 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:50.000 the corny scene, you know what I mean, it's just's 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:52.640 church is always portrayed. It's this uncool thing and people 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:54.440 think it's the coolest when it's unchurched. 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:56.320 I disagree. 0:05:56.440 --> 0:06:00.839 You and you guys, let you young ladies. And Kirk 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:08.800 brought the the freedom of it of being cool. 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:12.640 Yeah, and look, but I think. 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:15.280 It was the honesty about we're not perfect, so what 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:18.800 we weren't never trying to pretend to be more than 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:19.120 we were. 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:19.600 It was. 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:21.640 It was hard because I was a hardcore church girl, 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:24.080 grew up Evangelistic Church of God in Christ one hundred 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:27.360 and eleven Street, Englewood, California, went to church seven days 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:27.680 a week. 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:45.120 And so. 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:44.080 For Jesus playing no games, no, but yeah, it was 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:47.119 street ministry. We knew that there were people that didn't 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:49.760 speak Christianese, that didn't go to church. How do we 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:52.440 tell them about this loving God that will take them 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:53.160 as they are. 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:54.600 You don't have to. 0:06:54.520 --> 0:06:56.040 Clean yourself up, He'll do all the work. 0:06:56.480 --> 0:06:59.440 So I just wanted to make sure that we presented 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:04.000 in a way where people got it. And I actually 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:07.520 was greatly inspired by. I remember saying the Clark Sisters 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:10.200 on the Grammys. I remember being blown away. I remember 0:07:10.240 --> 0:07:13.280 watching BB and CC going man, one day, I'm gonna 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:17.120 get a chance. I remember going to a I think 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:20.840 it was, might have been the GMWA, might have been 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:23.640 some conference where Kirk was there, and I just wanted 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:24.640 to be in somebody's choir. 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:26.320 I tried to sing with John p Key. I sent 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:29.320 him a tape. I didn't get in. I tried to 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:31.280 be one of the Kirk Carr singers. I wasn't good enough. 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:32.800 I didn't get in, and I think it was because 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:34.720 God was saying, no, I have something else for you, 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:37.080 because I you know, when you have this view of church. 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:39.400 And I had a great respect and admiration for the 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:42.480 singers and what they did. And so while I loved them, 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:44.440 I knew I wasn't them, but I knew that was 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:45.080 the standard. 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:46.400 But I also have my. 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:50.160 Father, who is this buff dude who's cool in the neighborhood, 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:52.040 who all the gang members want to talk to him 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:54.320 when they're dealing with issues with their girl or whatever 0:07:54.360 --> 0:07:56.440 they're going through. And I was like, man, this is 0:07:56.840 --> 0:07:58.640 so cool that he can do that, and still be 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:02.080 so respected. He's not the hornball. Did that they like, Ah, 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:05.160 you don't know, they knew he understood them, And that's 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:07.160 always my prayer. I want you to know that I 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:11.040 get you. I understand brokenness. I understand you know, not 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:13.440 having growing up poor, you know what I mean. And 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:15.560 that was a great conflict for me for a long time. 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:17.160 Like y'all keep saying, God, I'm gonna make a way 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:19.880 out of no way. Y'all are still poor. And so 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:23.400 this unrealistic faith that just talked about what I was 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:26.080 going to get and not my responsibility in my life 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:29.760 is how me and Tina tried our best to relate 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:31.720 to and Warren. Of course we couldn't do it without 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:36.760 Warren to relate to this world who has this big 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:39.640 divide between my life and God and what that can 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:41.880 be when they don't know it's all intertwined. 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:45.199 All the time. Yes, I just feel like you, as 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:49.120 he said, the youth right, which is so very important. 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:53.520 I think you just really stayed true to who you were. 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:58.040 Oh yeah, and your message is your message, but who 0:08:58.080 --> 0:09:01.559 you are, how you grew up your surround style, all 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:05.920 of these things I can I can be me and 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:10.480 and serve him that that that is and that that 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:15.600 is the the the relatable, intangible. That just made so 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:19.560 much sense for me. I was like, that's that's thirty 0:09:19.679 --> 0:09:24.040 ninth street from me right there, That's that's Forestville, Maryland 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:28.280 for me right there, Like, that's that's it, it's it's 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:30.640 it's when Jesus sent them out to by two into 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:32.360 the street the street ministry. 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:40.320 Should you pastor he'll up the church, sir. 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:46.840 Offak, I keep a couple of but for the Lord, 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:48.839 keep a couple of buts tho the. 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:53.520 Lord, I can't stand it. Just but send disciples out. 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:55.440 He sent them out to the to the street. 0:09:55.640 --> 0:09:55.880 Yeah. 0:09:56.960 --> 0:10:00.520 Like, and so when you when you're sending somebody to the. 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:03.560 Street, they got to be equipped for they have to be. 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:06.640 They gotta be they got to be connected to that 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:09.280 in order to survive that place. 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:09.760 Yeah. 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:11.800 Yeah, you can't go like this. 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:14.880 You know, a fake when you see one. 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:18.880 Right right right where. 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:21.520 You're from, right and what you're gonna say. 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:25.280 And it's so funny because of my style of gospel, 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:27.240 I'm always that's always who I encounter. 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:28.880 I remember one year b ET Awards. 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:30.880 You know, they do the press room and if you're 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:32.880 nominated and performing, you go and do the press. 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:36.360 So they happened to put Mary Mary on Hip Hop Day. 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:41.640 So it is every hip hop artist in you know, 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:44.600 the mid two thousands, and so you know they're like, 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:47.040 praise the Lord, Mary, Marry their eyes floating, you know, 0:10:47.440 --> 0:10:48.920 up everywhere other than my eyes. 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:51.440 Praise the Lord, God bless you. You know what the 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:52.520 Mary's doing here on. 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:55.479 This day. 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:58.520 But because I'm strong in my faith and I'm strong 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:00.240 in who I am, and I'm from Ingle, and I 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:02.079 don't play them kind of games, you know what I mean. 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:04.520 I knew how to be cool in the room and 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:06.240 just say what's up and how you doing? And I 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:08.560 knew their music, they knew mine. You know, most of 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:10.600 them either had a grandmother or auntie as somebody who 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:12.240 grew up in church. So it's always like my girl 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:14.840 love you. And I would say, well you don't ye, yeah, 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:17.199 you don't need shackles off your feet. Oh that's right, 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:20.720 that's right, Okay, okay, my grandmother did you listen to 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:23.840 you know what I'm saying. And so being able to 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:26.240 just kind of talk to people just on a human level, 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:30.360 I think is what allowed our music to reach the 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:32.679 people that it reaches. I was just doing my solo thing. 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:36.120 I was in New York somewhere is soho, and I 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:37.440 thought this dude was trying to talk to me. 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:39.000 He was like, hey, hey, you know, and I was like, 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:45.640 you know, I was like, he was like, you seeing 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:47.040 gospel music, right? I say yeah. 0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:48.600 He was like, I know you're doing your solo thing. 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:50.520 Wo let you let me know. He knew that I was. 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:52.920 He was aware of ye career. So he's like, I 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:54.480 know you're doing your solo thing. He was like, but 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:57.120 what you and your sister do? The streets need what 0:11:57.200 --> 0:11:57.520 y'all do? 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:01.040 He was like, and so you know, we waiting on y'all. 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:04.120 And I just really appreciated that, and it let me 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:07.599 know the value of you know, singing gospel music and 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:11.480 unorthodox places in unorthodox ways that does not always get 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:12.640 accepted by church people. 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:14.400 Because I have had church. 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:18.400 People, Lord Jesus, some of the things that they have said, 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:22.000 some of the man you know. But the good thing 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:24.400 about me, I don't care that much. So I don't 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:26.880 always remember their names. I don't always remember I just 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:29.560 know that you don't like me. That means I'm not 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:31.600 assigned to you. Is somebody else, For you can listen 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:33.920 to somebody else, But I know who I'm assigned to, 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:35.080 and I'm okay with that. 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:38.120 So I've never spent my career trying. 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:38.720 To please like me. 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:40.959 Please do you like me? Do you think I'm good enough? 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:41.360 No? 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:43.960 God gave me this talent, He opened that door, and 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:45.760 when I stand before him, you won't be there. 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:47.400 He won't ask you did you like what she did? 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:49.559 So my job is to make sure that I'm authentic 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:51.640 to who he's called me to be, singing where he's 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:54.079 called me, even if that's collaborations with non gospel people, 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:56.320 even if it's other rooms. If he has put me there, 0:12:56.480 --> 0:12:59.200 then I'm there to be a light, to plan a seed, 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:04.160 to be a room changer. And so I stand confident 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:06.520 in that, not saying that I'm never, you know, shyer 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:08.480 and secure, because I have been like God, can you just. 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:10.120 Give me like a regular gospel song? Why does it 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:10.440 have to be? 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:10.679 Like? 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:11.640 I love God? 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:14.040 Now they gonna beat me up more, And then when 0:13:14.040 --> 0:13:15.960 I try to the churchy things like a little more Jesus, 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:17.120 they'll be like this ain't your style. 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:18.200 So I'd be like, you can't win. 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:22.280 So I'll just be Erica Erica. 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:26.199 Before you go and see that, though, I just want 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:28.920 to say for me, and obviously you've seen obviously what 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:30.000 we had your husband on. 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:32.600 This, yes, yes, and it's my guy and you know 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:33.680 how we go back and forth. 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:39.360 But I think y'all style of music, of gospel music 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:42.480 was really important for someone like me who didn't grow 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:45.760 up in church and to still get the word through that, 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:50.400 but to still be relatable to me, right, because I 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:54.000 think there were times where I was the guy who 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:58.760 looked at the gospel music, the gods music scene are 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:01.360 you know, or even the church in itself as this 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:04.559 place that wasn't that was wasn't. 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:06.160 Very welcoming, wasn't welcoming. 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:08.240 I got you to me because it didn't it didn't 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:10.520 feel like me, And that could have been something that 0:14:10.600 --> 0:14:13.840 I just conjured up in my mind like ah, well yeah, 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:16.079 like you said, it's not cool because I don't really 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:19.960 see myself there. But as I started to see myself there, 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:23.200 it became something that it was more relatable to me, 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:26.520 and it made it made the transition easier to listen to. 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:30.480 And even a record like Shackles because it was knocking, you. 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:35.120 Know what I mean, So that record I felt like 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:39.040 I wasn't the only person that it affected that way, 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:40.240 you know what I mean. 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:41.600 And I just want to say thank you for that. 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:44.080 You know what I mean, because it is it is 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:47.120 absolutely something that I needed personally as well to hear 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:49.960 and to And I was never a closed minded person, 0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:51.360 so much like I don't do this and all of that, 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:54.280 but it was just something that I wasn't tapped into. 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:57.720 Your emotions about a thing or your idea about a 0:14:57.760 --> 0:15:00.640 thing can determine whether you will accept it receive it. 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:03.680 Like if you go to a restaurant and somebody told 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:05.840 you the food is nasty and the service is bad. 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:07.800 With you walking, you're expecting trash. 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:09.040 Yes, you know what I'm saying. 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:11.480 And a lot of times when it comes to faith 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:15.119 in God, people have heard horrible things, seen horrible examples. 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:17.800 So you're not even open to the beauty of connecting 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:20.240 to the creator of the universe because you've got sister 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:22.640 so and so said, and this person said, I don't 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:26.240 serve them and they've got their own journey for whatever reason. 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:29.240 I don't take people personal either. I think you're doing 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:31.800 that as a reflection of you, not me. So it 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:33.600 allows me to walk in the room not looking for 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:35.080 Oh are they gonna like me? 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:38.280 And you know, if you already negative, you're probably gonna. 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:40.840 Give me that negative injury because you negative, not because 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:43.800 there's anything wrong with me, And so me presenting the 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:46.040 gospel has allowed me to be able to do that. 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:49.160 I remember we were in London and we were doing 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:53.080 this huge club and Cisco went on before us, singing 0:15:53.120 --> 0:16:01.960 the Thong song and at that time, right dumps like 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:04.800 a truck. So we're like, we at this time we 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:09.680 open with thingsk you Lord, I'm going Tina, we gonna 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:10.920 do that, right. 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:12.400 She was like, it's what we do, right. 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:15.240 So we came on and sang that into thankful and 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:17.360 then we sang shackles and you know what I mean. 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:19.000 We had a good time, and at that time we 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:21.320 knew that this wasn't which I was expecting. So we 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:23.320 would jump off this stage, we would put mikes in 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:25.480 people's mouth, We was dancing with people, and it was like, 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:27.479 this is the coolest gospel. 0:16:27.120 --> 0:16:27.800 I've ever heard. 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:31.800 But we were never afraid of that. I knew that 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:35.560 it wouldn't be received well by church people. But where 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:36.480 is light most. 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:38.520 Effective in the dark? 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:41.440 Where do they need this light? In this love most 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:44.640 in places where I'm gonna feel better by this drink. 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:46.840 I'm'na feel better by sleeping with this person. This is 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:48.520 gonna make me feel I no, no, If I do this, 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:49.760 this is gonna make me feel better. 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:52.080 And this gospel music says you can feel better because 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:53.120 you are a human being. 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:56.240 And without all of that, you're still amazing, wonderful, valuable 0:16:56.280 --> 0:16:58.760 and necessary to this world. And so when your music 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:02.000 brings value to people life, they kind of forget the 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:05.359 misconceptions of, oh, this is actually a gospel chack talking 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:07.240 to me. You know what I mean, because I'm not 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:09.879 bringing the judgment, I'm not bringing the you better and 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:12.800 follow all of these rules, right, any rule I don't follow, 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:15.359 there is grace for me. Anytime I fall, there is 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:17.040 grace for me. There's understanding for me. 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:18.200 God has people won't. 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:20.840 And I tell people, you got to stop expecting people 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:22.200 to give you what God said he. 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:22.639 Will give you. 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:25.080 He never told us to trust people. He said, trusting 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:26.120 the Lord with all your heart. 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:27.000 Right. 0:17:27.040 --> 0:17:29.320 And so if I trust him, I can trust him 0:17:29.320 --> 0:17:31.280 even if I'm in a room full of haters. I 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:33.840 can trust him, even if I'm walking into areas I've 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:36.479 never been in before, because if he's assigned me to it, 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:39.119 he's equipped me for it. I'm prepared for it, and 0:17:39.200 --> 0:17:40.480 no devil in Hell can stop me. 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:43.000 That's just what I believe. 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:45.720 So my church perspective on people going in hearing the 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:48.800 music is maybe a little bit different than somebody. I 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:51.240 don't have the come in clean or stay away dirty. No, 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:53.840 my uncle wasn't. 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:55.919 Highly educated, but he was so annointed. He said, let 0:17:56.000 --> 0:17:56.959 him come, let him come. 0:17:57.000 --> 0:17:59.199 Smelling how they smell. We know what it was last night. 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:01.320 It's okay, let him come. And the choir was singing. 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:02.960 We would love on them and we would talk to 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:04.960 them and they'd be like, man, this place is pretty cool. 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:07.639 I remember it was a very big drug dealer in 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:09.680 Englewood that would go to our church all the time, 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:13.360 and he would always be like, man, I like it here. 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:13.560 Now. 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:16.359 He ain't necessarily stop selling drugs, but you know, he 0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:18.560 came to church all the time and he would You 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:21.760 could you could see him changing. You could see him 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:25.760 trusting and believing that I could really like do something 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:27.920 different with my life, like this ain't the only way 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:29.840 I can take care of my family. And he just 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:32.719 kept coming and my pastor would say, don't bother, leave 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:33.800 him alone. 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:34.720 Because everybody knew. 0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:36.360 Everybody knew we yeah, we knew. 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:38.399 You know, some people scared, you know, because we was 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:41.880 in a blood neighborhood and just all of that. And 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:43.600 he'd be like, no, leave them alone, let him come. 0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:45.880 And so there's a lot of people that would come. 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:48.040 I remember this one girl came to our choir rehearsal 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:51.159 and she was like, I know, I'm not supposed to 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:52.800 be here, and I got drugs in my pocket and 0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:54.400 a gun and if y'alln't pray for me, I'm gonna 0:18:54.440 --> 0:18:58.080 kill somebody right now. We stopped cire rehearsal and prayed 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:01.399 for her. She's still in the faith right now. You know, 0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:04.080 it's not perfect, but still to this day. And she said, 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:06.840 I've never been to a place where they expected accepted 0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:08.119 me that way. 0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:12.760 And that's what I believe that I felt listening to 0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:17.600 the music was acceptance, because that I think that's from 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:21.480 the outside of it. The biggest deterrence is not thinking 0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:24.080 that it's going that you're going to be accepted in 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:26.520 this space because of maybe where you come from or 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:28.360 how you're living, or you know what I mean. Those 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:32.320 different things that where goes back to judgment. Yeah, nobody 0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:34.119 wants to be judged, you know what I mean. People 0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:35.040 can say that it's going. 0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:35.760 To judge everybody. 0:19:35.800 --> 0:19:38.240 We judge everybody, but nobody really wants to be judged. 0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:41.640 And then you're and then you're also not going toward judgment. 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:45.560 Like if you know, like okay, across the street, right, 0:19:45.760 --> 0:19:47.800 they about to read me all my rights over there, 0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:49.400 and they gonna tell me what I'm doing wrong. 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:50.560 You can probably go to the. 0:19:50.960 --> 0:19:51.560 Around the corner. 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:55.919 Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna go to the easy church, or 0:19:55.960 --> 0:19:58.159 not one at all, or not one at all, you 0:19:58.200 --> 0:19:59.600 know what I mean. And it was something that you 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:02.600 said that was really important because I felt like when 0:20:02.640 --> 0:20:05.040 I was growing up, what I saw and what I 0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:07.480 heard more so not even what I saw at times, 0:20:07.520 --> 0:20:11.520 but what I heard was, you know, they got the 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:13.480 church over there in the projects in the hood, and 0:20:13.520 --> 0:20:16.919 then they got the pastor driving the shiny Cadillac, and 0:20:16.960 --> 0:20:18.480 those two things didn't go together to me. 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:20.480 So you want your pastor poor. 0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:22.520 I didn't want them to be poor, and really I 0:20:22.520 --> 0:20:24.520 didn't even I didn't have a pastor. But for me, 0:20:24.600 --> 0:20:27.240 looking from the outside, I'm just like It just doesn't 0:20:27.280 --> 0:20:30.359 make sense to me like that. All the people here 0:20:30.760 --> 0:20:35.399 aren't doing well, but the pastor is. I think he 0:20:35.440 --> 0:20:36.680 should share the wealth. 0:20:38.640 --> 0:20:39.000 The best. 0:20:39.960 --> 0:20:41.679 I don't know who said it, but I know someone 0:20:41.760 --> 0:20:44.440 said the best thing you could do for poor people 0:20:44.560 --> 0:20:46.560 is not be one of them. Because how can I 0:20:46.600 --> 0:20:48.959 teach you how to come out of this? I how 0:20:49.000 --> 0:20:51.560 can I teach you how to elevate? How can I 0:20:51.600 --> 0:20:55.080 teach you how to maximize in your life? If none 0:20:55.119 --> 0:20:58.359 of us ain't got nothing, somebody has to have something. Yeah, 0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:04.840 And you know, I don't want to get too spiritual 0:21:04.880 --> 0:21:06.760 because I wanted your audience to be like we know, 0:21:12.720 --> 0:21:16.440 there's always an agenda to make sure people don't get 0:21:16.440 --> 0:21:20.440 this message of God right. So the enemy will start 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:22.960 in January to destroy you by December. If you have 0:21:23.080 --> 0:21:26.240 financial issues right, and you striving and you want things 0:21:26.240 --> 0:21:28.040 and you're trying to you're trying to make it happen, 0:21:28.040 --> 0:21:30.040 and you go to church, the enemy gonna whisper in 0:21:30.080 --> 0:21:31.600 your ear he got more than you. 0:21:32.240 --> 0:21:32.440 Right. 0:21:32.600 --> 0:21:35.960 Jealousy set sins, So I can't say, wool, I'm glad 0:21:36.000 --> 0:21:38.800 God blessed you, Maybe God will bless me. It turns 0:21:38.800 --> 0:21:41.280 into well, why didn't he bless me to. That's envy. 0:21:41.280 --> 0:21:43.680 That's not faith, that's not expectation, that's not hope. That's 0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:46.680 not gratitude. That's not looking at someone else and being 0:21:46.680 --> 0:21:49.400 able to applaud someone else, you know what I mean. 0:21:49.400 --> 0:21:52.159 So sometimes it's heart posture that makes you go and 0:21:52.200 --> 0:21:55.040 look around. Let me see which church is raggedy. You 0:21:55.080 --> 0:21:57.480 don't want God, you want something else. So you're gonna 0:21:57.480 --> 0:21:59.159 find what you're looking for. The enemy gonna make sure 0:21:59.160 --> 0:22:00.000 you find what you're looking for. 0:22:00.200 --> 0:22:00.680 Most of the time. 0:22:01.000 --> 0:22:04.480 Most of the time, those people are very loud. Sin 0:22:04.560 --> 0:22:08.600 has good great marketing, great marketing. It's everywhere. 0:22:08.640 --> 0:22:11.760 People want to hear the bad news, right what's wrong 0:22:11.800 --> 0:22:13.880 with them? Just you know? And sometimes if you got 0:22:13.920 --> 0:22:16.119 yourself together, they're still looking for what's wrong. 0:22:16.640 --> 0:22:19.280 They can't be that good, you know what I'm saying, 0:22:19.320 --> 0:22:23.640 Like we anticipate. We're so comfortable with the bad and 0:22:23.680 --> 0:22:27.280 the broken, and we're so comfortable with thieves, and so 0:22:27.800 --> 0:22:30.560 that's all we're looking for. We almost distrust a good 0:22:30.600 --> 0:22:33.560 guy or a good chick. We almost questioned the couple 0:22:33.640 --> 0:22:36.399 that's been there. It must be something in there. Of course, 0:22:36.440 --> 0:22:39.480 it's something in there, but love held them together. Of course, 0:22:39.560 --> 0:22:41.720 somebody's jacked up in the church. But we're not coming 0:22:41.720 --> 0:22:43.959 here for each other. We're coming here for God. And 0:22:44.000 --> 0:22:46.520 I may have to sort through some people with their brokenness. 0:22:46.520 --> 0:22:48.399 I may have to sort through some people who are 0:22:48.400 --> 0:22:50.760 struggling and trying to get this thing right. The thing 0:22:50.800 --> 0:22:52.440 about faith is you got to keep doing it every 0:22:52.520 --> 0:22:53.560 day right. 0:22:53.640 --> 0:22:55.160 It's not like I'm gonna get it right. Oh I'm 0:22:55.160 --> 0:22:55.960 setting now, I'm good. 0:22:56.760 --> 0:22:59.639 So as you come to a church, everybody is coming 0:23:00.080 --> 0:23:02.480 for the same thing, for God, right, for for better, 0:23:02.600 --> 0:23:05.359 for a light, for understanding, for healing, for whatever you're 0:23:05.359 --> 0:23:08.200 looking for. And the enemy does not want you to 0:23:08.200 --> 0:23:10.320 get that because you are the most powerful in those 0:23:10.359 --> 0:23:11.760 times and in those moments when. 0:23:11.600 --> 0:23:14.240 You're operating in your full power, in your full light. 0:23:15.600 --> 0:23:17.879 No, they're gonna start, They're gonna stop doing this raggedy 0:23:17.880 --> 0:23:20.679 stuff if they really understand the power of God and 0:23:20.720 --> 0:23:23.440 how I can tap into the creator of the universe 0:23:24.000 --> 0:23:26.000 and say, what does my tomorrow look like? And God say, 0:23:25.960 --> 0:23:27.600 I'll need you to open this door and go through here. 0:23:27.600 --> 0:23:30.080 But if you looking at people that's wrong. I can't 0:23:30.119 --> 0:23:31.439 go in that room. They're gonna hate on me. You 0:23:31.440 --> 0:23:34.320 may be called to that room, you know, and so 0:23:34.760 --> 0:23:36.919 you may have been called to that church. But I 0:23:36.960 --> 0:23:38.560 saw the Bentley first, so I'm not gonna go. 0:23:49.600 --> 0:23:51.119 That's definitely how I felt when I got. 0:23:58.240 --> 0:24:00.360 I go to a church and I say the bill 0:24:00.400 --> 0:24:03.480 and I come from the churches in d C. 0:24:03.800 --> 0:24:05.800 Does that people with money are well? 0:24:05.840 --> 0:24:08.800 No, no, here's the thing not good? Because I want to. 0:24:08.840 --> 0:24:10.880 I want to. I want to, I want to jump, 0:24:11.440 --> 0:24:18.000 I want to get Because it was just like, I. 0:24:18.000 --> 0:24:20.160 Don't I don't mind the pastor. 0:24:22.320 --> 0:24:25.760 Living good and and and and and having his car 0:24:25.880 --> 0:24:30.040 and you know, having his his portion of of what 0:24:30.119 --> 0:24:35.359 God of what God gets sure, and I was giving 0:24:35.400 --> 0:24:37.320 my experience when I like, he said l A and 0:24:37.359 --> 0:24:38.879 I was like the first when I first moved to 0:24:39.000 --> 0:24:39.840 LA was the first time. 0:24:40.480 --> 0:24:41.000 Excuse me? 0:24:41.320 --> 0:24:44.800 Then I saw a V I P section in church 0:24:46.000 --> 0:24:48.840 and I was like, so, what's so who's this there? 0:24:49.359 --> 0:24:54.680 Definitely for V I P. To sit behind. I was, oh, God, okay, 0:24:55.080 --> 0:24:57.719 I'll just park right No no, no, no, no, that's also 0:24:58.560 --> 0:25:03.119 V I P. Park So you got it? What? And 0:25:03.160 --> 0:25:07.959 I was like, okay, well, I'm gonna just here go 0:25:08.119 --> 0:25:11.360 to It was my first time ever ever ever seen 0:25:11.440 --> 0:25:14.359 and so I didn't know. I didn't know how to 0:25:15.760 --> 0:25:19.880 process it because every every church that I had been to, 0:25:20.400 --> 0:25:23.200 or every church that I grew up in, the only 0:25:23.280 --> 0:25:29.120 person that had reserved parking was the pastor and everybody 0:25:29.200 --> 0:25:31.920 else we just found us a space and help other 0:25:31.960 --> 0:25:34.600 people find spaces. And then when you came in the 0:25:34.680 --> 0:25:38.720 only people who had a signed seating where the deacons 0:25:38.800 --> 0:25:41.720 and the deaconesses and the mother's board, like you knew 0:25:41.720 --> 0:25:44.239 where they said. And then well, my grandmother had her 0:25:44.240 --> 0:25:46.960 own seat, so she don't sit in her seat, don't 0:25:46.960 --> 0:25:49.320 sit in mine, don't sit and past the Mary Jean 0:25:49.440 --> 0:25:53.920 Giles seat. It's don't be hal to pay right being 0:25:54.040 --> 0:25:57.600 the third on the end, don't touch that right. But 0:25:57.800 --> 0:26:01.480 outside of that, everybody you filled in m hm. And 0:26:01.560 --> 0:26:03.720 so just speaking more to you know, kind of what 0:26:03.800 --> 0:26:07.159 he was saying, just the nuance of it, you know, 0:26:07.160 --> 0:26:10.959 I'll add I'll add to a story with that in 0:26:11.040 --> 0:26:14.119 terms of how I would have loved to see or 0:26:14.119 --> 0:26:15.680 what I thought every church should have been. 0:26:16.720 --> 0:26:17.960 Pastor battle good friend of. 0:26:17.920 --> 0:26:21.280 Mine, I went and did his church, I think it 0:26:21.280 --> 0:26:23.760 was mother's dad performed. He called me. He was like, yeah, 0:26:23.760 --> 0:26:25.320 I want you to perform my church, my mother's day. 0:26:25.320 --> 0:26:33.919 I was like, the mothers need to touch. I was like, 0:26:34.119 --> 0:26:36.879 he said, yeah, we do two services. You sing some songs, 0:26:36.880 --> 0:26:39.560 play the piano, and then we do like a h 0:26:40.160 --> 0:26:42.399 a talk where we talk about you know you you 0:26:42.480 --> 0:26:44.640 being in the industry, your faith and all these things 0:26:44.680 --> 0:26:47.760 and how it carries you through and that. I was like, this, okay, 0:26:48.080 --> 0:26:51.160 you sure? He was like. He was like, he's like yeah. 0:26:51.200 --> 0:26:54.040 He said, what do you charge? I was like, I 0:26:54.080 --> 0:26:54.920 mean it's church. 0:26:55.000 --> 0:26:57.480 I was. 0:26:57.840 --> 0:26:59.560 I was like, I charged this much. He said cool. 0:26:59.840 --> 0:27:03.320 I was like cool. He said, yeah, I don't negotiate 0:27:03.359 --> 0:27:06.000 against people. They said, that would be me telling you 0:27:06.040 --> 0:27:09.200 that I don't believe you are who you say you are. 0:27:09.880 --> 0:27:14.239 I was like okay, amen. And then I was like, well, 0:27:14.240 --> 0:27:16.760 I don't you know. I got a gig. I'm trying 0:27:16.760 --> 0:27:19.640 to get there. He was like this, okay, well, what's 0:27:19.680 --> 0:27:20.960 the easiest way to get you here? I was like, 0:27:21.920 --> 0:27:24.600 probably a jet man, but I'm not trying to put all. 0:27:24.680 --> 0:27:27.120 He said, Okay, price out of the jet. We'll get 0:27:27.119 --> 0:27:31.120 you here. I was like what, ok amen, amen, and 0:27:32.400 --> 0:27:34.760 somebody will get church got some money. No pastor battle 0:27:34.840 --> 0:27:38.840 himself is cool. He's not the flashy is not the 0:27:39.119 --> 0:27:41.080 it's not what he does. So we get the church 0:27:41.119 --> 0:27:46.000 and we do these services, and in these services, I'm 0:27:46.119 --> 0:27:55.639 watching him. I'm watching him give, I'm watching him give car, job, 0:27:56.480 --> 0:27:59.439 place to stay. I'm watching him give, and I'm like, 0:28:00.240 --> 0:28:03.840 I had never seen church like that, because I'd always 0:28:03.920 --> 0:28:06.639 seen them take the offering and just take it in 0:28:06.680 --> 0:28:10.400 the back and then that's it. And you had never 0:28:10.560 --> 0:28:18.760 actually seen how how the church, you know, fed the community. 0:28:19.480 --> 0:28:23.680 And I love that story for so many reasons. 0:28:23.760 --> 0:28:27.359 I love that that there was a reservation even in 0:28:27.440 --> 0:28:29.240 when he asked you to come, you weren't, like I 0:28:29.280 --> 0:28:30.520 do venues fine, church is fine. 0:28:30.600 --> 0:28:32.800 I love that there's a there's a sense of respect 0:28:32.800 --> 0:28:35.520 that you had like should I say this? Should I? 0:28:35.760 --> 0:28:38.840 And I think that shows that there is a reverence 0:28:38.920 --> 0:28:41.720 for you know, God and God's House and God's people. 0:28:42.600 --> 0:28:44.560 I love that they even had you and that they 0:28:44.600 --> 0:28:46.760 treated you the way you're supposed to be treated. 0:28:47.040 --> 0:28:50.120 And I can honestly say there are many churches that 0:28:50.240 --> 0:28:51.440 have done that. 0:28:51.520 --> 0:28:53.760 And then while we're on their way, we're like, oh, yeah, 0:28:53.800 --> 0:28:57.160 that's our children's facility, that's our seniors facility, this is 0:28:57.160 --> 0:28:58.480 where we be the homeless, and. 0:28:58.680 --> 0:29:00.320 This is where we do this, and this is our 0:29:00.360 --> 0:29:01.080 prisons ministry. 0:29:01.080 --> 0:29:02.880 There are a lot of churches that are blessed because 0:29:02.920 --> 0:29:05.920 of the amount that they give and how they serve. Now, 0:29:05.960 --> 0:29:09.200 there are some trash churches. There are some raggedy ones 0:29:09.200 --> 0:29:11.880 out there. I'm just like and I'm not because I 0:29:11.920 --> 0:29:14.760 never want to talk about the good and not acknowledge. 0:29:14.840 --> 0:29:16.960 I know that that exists, and I know that there 0:29:16.960 --> 0:29:19.320 are a lot of people that have their hearts broken 0:29:19.520 --> 0:29:23.480 in church. But God didn't do that. And if you 0:29:23.520 --> 0:29:25.920 were going for people, you got what you were looking for. 0:29:25.960 --> 0:29:28.280 But if you were going for God, you look past 0:29:28.280 --> 0:29:31.240 that broken person and say, but Lord, what are you 0:29:31.280 --> 0:29:33.520 saying to me? I know what they said, but Lord, 0:29:33.560 --> 0:29:34.320 what are you saying to me? 0:29:34.480 --> 0:29:37.360 Keep framing it around God's name? 0:29:37.760 --> 0:29:40.440 Right, So I'll say it as I was a musician, 0:29:40.640 --> 0:29:42.240 this is I'm sorry, we're going to get. 0:29:42.320 --> 0:29:48.280 To they wanted church. 0:29:48.160 --> 0:29:53.000 It was it's what you brought is healing and something 0:29:53.640 --> 0:29:54.560 something different. 0:29:54.640 --> 0:29:54.840 Right. 0:29:55.200 --> 0:29:58.640 And so as a musician in my church, as as 0:29:58.640 --> 0:30:00.760 the minister of music and playing for all the choirs 0:30:00.760 --> 0:30:02.920 and writing the songs and the songs, I just want 0:30:03.400 --> 0:30:05.920 doing rehearsals as were in there seven days a week 0:30:05.960 --> 0:30:08.920 and even know what I'm saying, how do I live? 0:30:09.360 --> 0:30:10.000 Yeah? 0:30:10.040 --> 0:30:13.440 And when it keeps being framed as well, you know 0:30:13.520 --> 0:30:18.640 God gonna take care of you? Well, you do you 0:30:18.680 --> 0:30:20.680 think you think we can get one of them bricks 0:30:21.160 --> 0:30:25.640 that God God on the street and for a play, 0:30:25.760 --> 0:30:30.000 because because right now, just seventy five dollars a Sunday, 0:30:30.440 --> 0:30:34.400 right and you're telling me God got me. I'm here 0:30:35.440 --> 0:30:40.240 in the place of God. This ain't got me. 0:30:42.000 --> 0:30:42.400 A job? 0:30:42.560 --> 0:30:44.960 Then I had a job, I was saying at my church. 0:30:45.000 --> 0:30:47.840 But I had a job. I did hair, I was 0:30:47.960 --> 0:30:50.880 watching kids. I mean, you have to the Bibles as 0:30:50.920 --> 0:30:52.760 if a man or a woman don't work, you don't eat. 0:30:52.800 --> 0:30:56.600 So the responsibility of the ministry, which I think is 0:30:56.640 --> 0:31:00.240 supposed to feed me, and can they really free? 0:31:00.320 --> 0:31:03.440 Church is not as financially strapped as people think. A 0:31:03.480 --> 0:31:04.400 lot of times people don't. 0:31:04.400 --> 0:31:06.600 There are some sundays if people just don't feel like given, 0:31:07.760 --> 0:31:11.480 they don't packed. But if the church is broke, how 0:31:11.560 --> 0:31:13.680 much where it really is? Everybody is George Washington, the 0:31:14.080 --> 0:31:15.040 host Famous Dollars. 0:31:15.040 --> 0:31:18.200 It's saying seventy five dollars, he go to. 0:31:18.200 --> 0:31:19.960 Church, He go to church, a lot. Now, there are 0:31:19.960 --> 0:31:21.720 a lot of churches that take very good care. 0:31:21.920 --> 0:31:22.800 No, no, I get. 0:31:25.160 --> 0:31:27.440 That, don't yeh of the things that just kind of 0:31:27.440 --> 0:31:29.640 were like, you know, the conversation that were just like, 0:31:30.160 --> 0:31:31.000 but think about it. 0:31:31.080 --> 0:31:34.640 Just because your pastor doesn't mean that you are financially astute. 0:31:35.200 --> 0:31:37.440 Just because your pastor doesn't mean that you're good at organizing. 0:31:37.960 --> 0:31:41.000 You know, just because your pastor, sometimes their bills ain't 0:31:41.000 --> 0:31:43.239 paige because they're just not good with money. You may 0:31:43.280 --> 0:31:45.080 be called, but there's some natural things that you have 0:31:45.120 --> 0:31:46.960 to do in your own life. You know, get your 0:31:47.000 --> 0:31:49.480 own education, you know what I'm saying. Make sure you 0:31:49.560 --> 0:31:52.680 understand if we're understand financing, but if you don't, get 0:31:52.720 --> 0:31:54.000 somebody that does. 0:31:54.120 --> 0:31:54.840 You know what I'm saying. 0:31:54.960 --> 0:31:56.840 I remember, you know, growing up in church, and I 0:31:56.920 --> 0:31:59.960 loved my church. But the people over finances, they was 0:32:00.120 --> 0:32:00.680 on welfare. 0:32:00.760 --> 0:32:04.080 So how you gonna really manage the finances of the church. Well, 0:32:04.240 --> 0:32:06.160 you know what I mean. Not that they were bad people, 0:32:06.200 --> 0:32:06.600 but they. 0:32:06.520 --> 0:32:08.280 Weren't equip They didn't understand what to do. 0:32:08.360 --> 0:32:10.080 Yeah, we had been trying to raise we would raise 0:32:10.120 --> 0:32:11.960 money and have a building, but have too many bills 0:32:11.960 --> 0:32:14.479 and have other things and you know, insurances and all 0:32:14.560 --> 0:32:16.480 these things that go into the business of church. But 0:32:16.520 --> 0:32:18.960 nobody understood the business of church because we're just gonna 0:32:18.960 --> 0:32:21.760 come and have church. So then when your business isn't right, 0:32:21.960 --> 0:32:23.400 you blame it on the devil, or you blame it 0:32:23.440 --> 0:32:26.080 on the quicker preacher. Would he really wasn't equipped. 0:32:25.720 --> 0:32:27.280 For that part of the job. 0:32:27.400 --> 0:32:31.200 Get yourself a staff, have financial people that will come 0:32:31.240 --> 0:32:32.000 here a long time ago. 0:32:32.120 --> 0:32:37.120 This is honestly, this is outside of how amazing you 0:32:37.160 --> 0:32:39.800 are in the amazing things you've done in music. But 0:32:40.840 --> 0:32:46.560 this is why you're you're so important to our show. 0:32:46.080 --> 0:32:49.400 Because this is a this is another side of it. 0:32:49.600 --> 0:32:53.960 Yeah, right, because we get into the business of secular music, 0:32:54.840 --> 0:32:57.480 but we don't get into the business of church. 0:32:57.760 --> 0:32:58.480 Yeah. 0:32:58.520 --> 0:33:01.160 And because i'd say faith more than church, but just 0:33:01.600 --> 0:33:03.440 because there's always something fighting your faith. 0:33:03.680 --> 0:33:05.720 Yeah, But I'm talking about the business side of church 0:33:08.360 --> 0:33:11.360 that it's being taken care of. And like I said, 0:33:11.400 --> 0:33:13.880 you know, like I like when we started the conversation, 0:33:14.040 --> 0:33:17.520 and it started with what I saw, but I didn't 0:33:17.560 --> 0:33:22.760 see the inner working. I'm just a kid seeing something 0:33:22.760 --> 0:33:27.880 that adults are telling me isn't right. But those adults 0:33:27.920 --> 0:33:31.160 may not look at what you just said. Okay, this 0:33:31.200 --> 0:33:35.360 man has a calling. They don't really understand business. And 0:33:35.960 --> 0:33:39.280 the women that are are the men that are handling 0:33:39.320 --> 0:33:42.520 the books, they don't they don't even understand money. 0:33:42.560 --> 0:33:45.360 They don't have a degree in account. 0:33:45.960 --> 0:33:54.760 Winston that went off to college and it's now back. Yeah, 0:33:55.240 --> 0:33:55.760 you know what I mean. 0:33:55.800 --> 0:33:58.320 So that's why I say, you know this, this conversation 0:33:58.520 --> 0:34:01.360 is so so very important. 0:34:01.720 --> 0:34:02.760 For even our audience. 0:34:02.840 --> 0:34:03.080 Yeah. 0:34:03.120 --> 0:34:07.240 And you know, because our audiences, we got people probably 0:34:07.160 --> 0:34:10.200 that go to church, that don't go to church, that 0:34:10.320 --> 0:34:11.640 you know, having opinion. 0:34:11.239 --> 0:34:17.520 Of the came from church, right. 0:34:17.160 --> 0:34:21.200 Right, And this conversation needs to be had if it's 0:34:21.200 --> 0:34:24.800 here or anywhere else, because just us having the dialogue 0:34:24.800 --> 0:34:27.320 that we're having now is helping my understanding. 0:34:27.520 --> 0:34:28.359 Oh that's so dope. 0:34:28.440 --> 0:34:30.080 I think God is always trying to get to us 0:34:30.080 --> 0:34:33.520 in different ways, and I love that. You know, the 0:34:33.560 --> 0:34:35.360 world is so big and so small all at the 0:34:35.360 --> 0:34:37.600 same time. When you think of social media, you can 0:34:37.600 --> 0:34:40.360 scroll past anything that may touch your heart and you 0:34:40.400 --> 0:34:41.759 don't know that you're going to need that for a 0:34:41.840 --> 0:34:44.319 later moment. And so I believe that God makes deposits 0:34:44.320 --> 0:34:46.640 in your soul for what you may need later. You 0:34:46.680 --> 0:34:51.120 may hear something, read something, experience something that will challenge 0:34:51.160 --> 0:34:52.959 you to think about God in a different way because 0:34:52.960 --> 0:34:55.239 you had this preconceived notion of what it could be 0:34:55.640 --> 0:34:56.400 or what it is. 0:34:56.600 --> 0:34:57.279 You know what I'm saying. 0:34:57.440 --> 0:35:00.680 And sometimes the example was a broken person and then 0:35:00.680 --> 0:35:03.160 God allows you to see your own brokenness and say, oh, 0:35:03.200 --> 0:35:05.799 I'll kind of operate like that too. So the same 0:35:05.840 --> 0:35:08.239 grace I want for me, could I extend it to 0:35:08.320 --> 0:35:11.480 somebody else? You know, learning those principles of grace and 0:35:11.560 --> 0:35:14.480 faith and compassion, and you know, allowing yourself to be 0:35:14.560 --> 0:35:16.600 human and normal and knowing that I don't have to 0:35:16.640 --> 0:35:19.480 pretend to be perfect, I think allows me to see 0:35:19.560 --> 0:35:22.400 the greatness of God because when I'm weak, that's when 0:35:22.440 --> 0:35:25.040 he's the strongest, because he's lifting me and he's carrying me. 0:35:25.280 --> 0:35:27.400 And so if you have somebody that's coming and they 0:35:27.440 --> 0:35:31.520 see this broken guy and you know that is anointed 0:35:31.640 --> 0:35:33.840 to preach, but you know he got some issues in 0:35:33.840 --> 0:35:36.240 his flesh and he got some issues in other places. 0:35:36.280 --> 0:35:39.000 You're not holding him to this unrealistic you. 0:35:38.960 --> 0:35:42.320 Got to be perfect? Are you held to a higher standard? Absolutely? 0:35:42.880 --> 0:35:44.920 You know, should your faith make you make some different 0:35:44.960 --> 0:35:49.200 choices absolutely, but if you don't, there is grace for you. 0:35:49.719 --> 0:35:52.040 And so when you look at faith like that, you 0:35:52.120 --> 0:35:55.120 come in with a little more compassion as opposed to 0:35:55.280 --> 0:35:58.120 the eye that says she mess up? 0:35:58.200 --> 0:36:00.480 Is her dress too short? While you say it, you 0:36:00.520 --> 0:36:00.960 know what I mean. 0:36:01.200 --> 0:36:03.239 Hey man, we human Jesus went to the cross because 0:36:03.239 --> 0:36:04.400 he knew there was no way we were going to 0:36:04.440 --> 0:36:07.480 follow every single rule every single day. So every day 0:36:07.480 --> 0:36:10.600 he gives me another chance, another chance to choose him. 0:36:10.600 --> 0:36:12.440 And this is what I love about God. He don't 0:36:12.440 --> 0:36:14.879 wake me up and say you better choose me, because 0:36:14.880 --> 0:36:17.319 the plenty of people who don't, they still have breath 0:36:17.320 --> 0:36:20.160 in their body. And so that's what I think is 0:36:20.160 --> 0:36:22.040 so cool about God. So I get my eyes off 0:36:22.080 --> 0:36:24.200 of people and focus on God. Like even when I didn't, 0:36:24.239 --> 0:36:26.560 she choose you. Even when I messed up, You still 0:36:26.600 --> 0:36:28.600 blessed me. You still allow me to sing, You allow 0:36:28.640 --> 0:36:30.600 me to go across the world when I was doubting 0:36:30.640 --> 0:36:33.279 you and questioning you because you know, my father died 0:36:33.360 --> 0:36:36.160 and this manager did this, and the industry's not fair 0:36:36.200 --> 0:36:39.840 and it's shifting you. Still I'm doubting you, and this 0:36:40.000 --> 0:36:41.560 breath that I'm breathing is from you? 0:36:42.200 --> 0:36:43.640 How dare I? You know? 0:36:43.760 --> 0:36:46.680 And so it just gives me a little different understanding 0:36:46.680 --> 0:36:49.640 and perspective, perspective when I see certain artists and they're 0:36:49.680 --> 0:36:51.560 not gospel artists and they live and how they live, 0:36:51.600 --> 0:36:54.000 and I'm saying, Lord, just let there be a God 0:36:54.040 --> 0:36:55.600 deposit at some moment in time. 0:36:56.239 --> 0:36:58.319 Let somebody say, Hey, can I pray for you? 0:36:59.080 --> 0:37:04.160 I was on a red carpet and really really huge 0:37:04.520 --> 0:37:07.319 rapper and we knew that the Ruckus was coming. So 0:37:07.360 --> 0:37:08.719 me and Tina had done the carpet and we were 0:37:08.760 --> 0:37:10.960 doing an interview with ABC. So she was coming and 0:37:10.960 --> 0:37:13.160 we could hear the rush of people clicking and taking 0:37:13.160 --> 0:37:14.359 her picture, and so. 0:37:15.800 --> 0:37:17.920 We're coming off ABC. She's going up. So I turn 0:37:18.000 --> 0:37:19.960 around and I say, hey, how are you? And she 0:37:20.000 --> 0:37:22.120 was like, I'm so nervous. I said, you're. 0:37:22.040 --> 0:37:24.399 Good, don't worry about it, and she grabbed my hand 0:37:24.440 --> 0:37:27.359 and said, I feel better because you're here now. Had 0:37:27.360 --> 0:37:29.600 I got jealous because some of the cameras left me 0:37:29.640 --> 0:37:31.640 and Tina and went to her. Had I got an 0:37:31.640 --> 0:37:34.520 attitude and be like, I'm gospeling I deserve. I wouldn't 0:37:34.520 --> 0:37:36.359 have had that moment with her I don't know what 0:37:36.400 --> 0:37:38.880 that moment meant, but I know it was an opportunity 0:37:39.000 --> 0:37:41.200 for her to see a gospel artist in this big, 0:37:41.280 --> 0:37:42.840 huge star and say. 0:37:42.680 --> 0:37:45.080 Hey, how are you? Are you okay? And she said, 0:37:45.080 --> 0:37:46.319 I feel better because you're here? 0:37:46.680 --> 0:37:49.600 And I think that that is my assignment. That's God 0:37:49.719 --> 0:37:53.800 dropping those little you know, absolutely like. 0:37:53.920 --> 0:37:55.840 I'm here. I want your attention. 0:37:55.920 --> 0:37:57.480 I need your time to say thank you to me, 0:37:57.960 --> 0:37:59.560 you know what I mean, Consult me in your ways 0:37:59.560 --> 0:38:00.640 before you ain't that deal? 0:38:00.680 --> 0:38:02.680 Lord? Is this for me? You know what I'm saying? 0:38:02.800 --> 0:38:04.640 Before you go on that tour? Am I supposed to 0:38:04.640 --> 0:38:04.920 be here? 0:38:05.040 --> 0:38:06.880 Me and Ten have been invited to some tours that 0:38:06.960 --> 0:38:13.960 we knew, big stage, great opportunity, you know, Let the 0:38:13.960 --> 0:38:23.919 cute gospel girls open. Man, God, this saint. But that's 0:38:23.960 --> 0:38:27.480 from those those God seats that have been dropped in 0:38:27.520 --> 0:38:30.640 my life. And I just you know, I always say 0:38:30.640 --> 0:38:32.400 to myself and I tell people around me, when I 0:38:32.400 --> 0:38:34.640 stand before God, none of y'all are going to be there. 0:38:34.680 --> 0:38:38.160 Not a Grammy, not a nobody, not even my husband. 0:38:38.280 --> 0:38:40.879 It's just gonna be me. Did you choose me? Did 0:38:40.880 --> 0:38:43.640 you love me? Did you talk about me? You know 0:38:43.680 --> 0:38:45.120 what I'm saying, was you cool with me? 0:38:45.160 --> 0:38:45.960 Did you rock with me? 0:38:46.040 --> 0:38:46.799 You know me? 0:38:47.000 --> 0:38:47.759 So you know? 0:38:48.719 --> 0:38:52.399 Okay, let's let's let's let's get into you. 0:38:52.560 --> 0:38:54.480 Okay, let's get into if we. 0:38:54.440 --> 0:39:09.560 Start talking about buffed in the hood, I ever tell 0:39:09.640 --> 0:39:14.200 me because I don't know how much of a long 0:39:14.280 --> 0:39:20.160 time coming Mary Mary was. But I'm sure there was 0:39:20.200 --> 0:39:24.399 a moment early early on. I mean, us church kids, 0:39:24.400 --> 0:39:27.479 we always singing in church, always twenty four to seven 0:39:27.520 --> 0:39:32.160 win church, got it. But there's there's a moment when 0:39:33.280 --> 0:39:38.520 sister brother, somebody or somebody says, man, y'all, y'all dope, 0:39:39.000 --> 0:39:41.759 y'all are different special? When is that? 0:39:43.320 --> 0:39:43.480 So? 0:39:43.760 --> 0:39:45.880 I grew up singing in church, started singing at five. 0:39:46.160 --> 0:39:50.240 I was the solo artist at church. Me and Tina 0:39:50.280 --> 0:39:53.520 were not a group. Our choir went to McDonald Gospel 0:39:53.560 --> 0:39:55.479 Best and recorded albums and I would lead. 0:39:55.960 --> 0:39:58.520 And so Tina had a song with her. 0:39:58.480 --> 0:40:02.440 Best friend Erica bell Aircabelle wasn't there that day, and 0:40:02.480 --> 0:40:04.400 they were like, okay, well just sing the song with it. 0:40:04.480 --> 0:40:08.160 Were singing together, and we're like we singing We feel it. 0:40:08.080 --> 0:40:11.279 Like the audience, the choir, because they had never heard 0:40:11.320 --> 0:40:17.399 us sing together. They're like, oh my god, I'm about eighteen. No, 0:40:17.520 --> 0:40:22.160 maybe I'm nineteen. So Tina's about seventeen. You know, I 0:40:22.160 --> 0:40:24.799 don't meet Warren until I'm twenty three. 0:40:25.000 --> 0:40:25.640 He's twenty. 0:40:26.080 --> 0:40:28.480 So we're singing at church and I'm feeling, you know, 0:40:28.560 --> 0:40:31.640 I'm like, oh, this is something I always wanted to sing, 0:40:31.760 --> 0:40:32.760 always wanted to record. 0:40:32.840 --> 0:40:35.120 All my dreams were big stages. 0:40:35.200 --> 0:40:38.680 I would have the craziest visions of Arita's and people 0:40:38.719 --> 0:40:41.040 screaming my name, but I had no clue of how 0:40:41.040 --> 0:40:42.800 to get there. So I would go to every concert. 0:40:42.840 --> 0:40:45.000 I wanted to sing in everybody's group. I would go 0:40:45.040 --> 0:40:47.560 to all the studios and sometimes it's like, oh, cute 0:40:47.600 --> 0:40:49.600 little church girl, or you know what I'm saying. 0:40:49.600 --> 0:40:51.560 It was that for years, years, years, and I was like, 0:40:51.920 --> 0:40:53.799 why would you keep giving me these dreams if I'm 0:40:53.840 --> 0:40:55.120 not supposed to do this for real? 0:40:55.520 --> 0:41:01.839 So I am doing a play stage play, and by 0:41:01.840 --> 0:41:04.600 this time, me and Tina are making up songs, and 0:41:04.760 --> 0:41:07.239 you know, we moved out and all of that, and 0:41:07.280 --> 0:41:08.279 Warren comes to the show. 0:41:08.320 --> 0:41:09.520 My timeline may be off. 0:41:10.000 --> 0:41:12.480 Warren comes to the show, and you know, he just 0:41:12.480 --> 0:41:14.200 think I'm cute and we just exchange in numbers, but 0:41:14.239 --> 0:41:16.080 I go to the studio because he's working with Dawkins, 0:41:16.120 --> 0:41:18.960 and Dawkins already a big fan of theirs, right, So 0:41:19.120 --> 0:41:21.360 we're in the studio and I'm like, this guy is 0:41:21.440 --> 0:41:24.080 really cute. But I didn't want him to think that 0:41:24.120 --> 0:41:26.239 I only liked him because he did music, so I 0:41:26.320 --> 0:41:28.839 never really told him how much. I mean, he knew 0:41:28.880 --> 0:41:30.160 I could sing because he saw me to play, but 0:41:30.160 --> 0:41:32.840 I wouldn't like, oh, I want to record, do a Demommy, Simmy. 0:41:32.920 --> 0:41:35.759 It was none of that. Tina says, I want you 0:41:35.760 --> 0:41:38.399 to hear the song that I made up. The song 0:41:38.600 --> 0:41:40.360 was what a Friend, which is on our first record, 0:41:40.360 --> 0:41:42.680 I think the second or third song on the first record. 0:41:43.160 --> 0:41:46.680 So he's like, y'all should be a group, and I 0:41:46.760 --> 0:41:49.799 feel that it's coming. So in my mind, I'm going 0:41:49.880 --> 0:41:52.000 I'm getting closer to the dream. I'm getting closer to 0:41:52.040 --> 0:41:57.040 the dream. So we do a demo. He sends that 0:41:57.120 --> 0:42:01.520 demo to a few people in the industry. It's this, okay, well, 0:42:01.680 --> 0:42:02.719 I mean, I don't know if I can say it 0:42:02.719 --> 0:42:04.560 because he's in so much trouble. But Diddy was the 0:42:04.600 --> 0:42:07.600 first one that was interested in Mary. Mary just off 0:42:07.640 --> 0:42:09.359 a picture in a song. He never met us, never 0:42:09.360 --> 0:42:11.640 seen his perform. So we go to New York. But 0:42:11.640 --> 0:42:13.919 then there's also Columbia was asking and at this time 0:42:13.960 --> 0:42:16.560 then the face was asking, and so one was this 0:42:16.600 --> 0:42:18.600 is all off a demo. It's not even a record. 0:42:18.640 --> 0:42:20.759 We ain't performed nowhere. They just see these two Q 0:42:20.920 --> 0:42:22.680 girls in this song. Because Shackles is a. 0:42:22.600 --> 0:42:26.600 Beast, right, Shackles, the shackles. Shackles was the first DIF. 0:42:27.640 --> 0:42:30.600 Yeah, we did, we did, and Shackles was supposed to 0:42:30.600 --> 0:42:34.160 be for the Prince of Egypt soundtrack, and so once 0:42:34.239 --> 0:42:36.640 we heard it, because one was doing. 0:42:36.520 --> 0:42:41.279 The Prince of soundtrack, realized. 0:42:42.960 --> 0:42:46.279 Once we realized the magnitude of the song, he was like, well, 0:42:46.360 --> 0:42:49.560 let's just keep Shackles for ourselves and we'll do something 0:42:49.600 --> 0:42:52.319 else for the Prince of Eagypuntains soundtrack. We end up 0:42:52.360 --> 0:42:54.480 doing a song called let Go Let God with an 0:42:54.760 --> 0:42:59.000 unknown tie tribute in GA at the time. Yeah, so 0:42:59.200 --> 0:43:02.000 that song comes out. Then we do another soundtrack for 0:43:02.320 --> 0:43:05.680 Doctor Doolittle and we do another soundtrack, but we hold 0:43:05.719 --> 0:43:08.560 in Shackles in the bag, like you know, And so 0:43:08.600 --> 0:43:09.400 he's taking these. 0:43:09.280 --> 0:43:13.239 Meetings record from me. It was a record he knew 0:43:13.280 --> 0:43:13.719 more than we. 0:43:13.760 --> 0:43:16.319 But here's here's the other question too, as you as 0:43:16.360 --> 0:43:18.200 you moved through this, when you say you didn't want 0:43:18.239 --> 0:43:20.719 to ask him about music and all of these things. 0:43:20.520 --> 0:43:25.160 Yeah, did you know at the time what he was 0:43:25.239 --> 0:43:25.760 in music? 0:43:26.160 --> 0:43:26.239 No? 0:43:26.320 --> 0:43:27.680 I just thought he wasn't safe because he worked at 0:43:27.680 --> 0:43:29.920 death Row. But I know I liked him though, But 0:43:29.960 --> 0:43:31.120 I was like, you know, because I grew up with 0:43:31.160 --> 0:43:32.320 secular music as a singer. 0:43:32.880 --> 0:43:34.640 So I was like, man, he's so nice. 0:43:34.800 --> 0:43:35.560 This is why. 0:43:36.960 --> 0:43:39.319 This is no way he loves Jesus death Row. 0:43:40.760 --> 0:43:45.080 But that was so sweet about him, and there was 0:43:45.200 --> 0:43:47.319 just I went to my aunt, who was the first lady. 0:43:47.360 --> 0:43:50.320 I was like, so dating the guys in church was 0:43:50.360 --> 0:43:53.319 like a big no note for me. But he don't 0:43:53.320 --> 0:43:53.839 go to church. 0:43:54.520 --> 0:43:58.040 She was like, I don't know, it's something different about him. 0:43:57.360 --> 0:44:00.520 M And she said, okay, just pray for him. She said, 0:44:00.560 --> 0:44:02.759 not out loud, just say Lord, if this is you, 0:44:02.800 --> 0:44:07.000 just show me. And when we started talking we never 0:44:07.160 --> 0:44:08.360 stopped talking. 0:44:08.760 --> 0:44:12.200 It was old school sit on the phone for hours. 0:44:12.560 --> 0:44:14.640 He lives in the valley. I live in Lawndale. He's 0:44:14.719 --> 0:44:17.480 driving to my house. I'm driving his house in my 0:44:17.680 --> 0:44:20.280 raggedy Toyota tourseell, hoping that it don't. 0:44:20.040 --> 0:44:23.279 Up just to record music. 0:44:26.000 --> 0:44:33.880 Business. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:44:35.719 --> 0:44:37.839 I am, but I'm still you. 0:44:37.760 --> 0:44:40.520 Know, trying to be cute but you know, but I'm 0:44:41.040 --> 0:44:43.399 you know, want to talk about music. And he knows 0:44:43.440 --> 0:44:47.280 that we can sing, so he's like, oh, do this demo. 0:44:48.280 --> 0:44:50.279 And I don't know if it's because you know, he 0:44:50.480 --> 0:44:52.520 liked me, or he was like, really want me to sing? 0:44:52.719 --> 0:44:55.320 You know, it's also. 0:44:54.600 --> 0:44:59.120 It's also mixed up when you when you're attracted to someone. 0:44:59.520 --> 0:45:05.120 Yeah, but he's becoming this producer, he's doing this these things, 0:45:05.160 --> 0:45:08.040 he's you know, and we're brand new. 0:45:08.760 --> 0:45:10.880 So we start recording the record. 0:45:11.160 --> 0:45:13.560 We are you know, dating by now, and you know, 0:45:13.640 --> 0:45:15.759 I initially was like, you're younger than me. I was 0:45:15.840 --> 0:45:18.600 used to dating older guys. I'm like, he's three years younger. 0:45:18.640 --> 0:45:19.360 Oh that's cute. 0:45:19.400 --> 0:45:22.440 But we would not stop talking to each other. So 0:45:22.440 --> 0:45:26.640 it's all of that, and somewhere in the middle, you know, 0:45:26.680 --> 0:45:30.760 before the record comes out, he proposes and yeah. 0:45:31.000 --> 0:45:31.799 And all of that. 0:45:32.680 --> 0:45:36.399 But then after he proposes, he's like, I'm not sure 0:45:36.400 --> 0:45:39.960 if I'm really ready to do this. So he says 0:45:39.960 --> 0:45:44.960 he needs space, and I said okay. But the next 0:45:45.000 --> 0:45:47.520 day we had to come to the studio, and so 0:45:48.400 --> 0:45:50.359 I said, well, I've wanted to sing longer than I've 0:45:50.400 --> 0:45:54.319 loved you, so I'll be at the studio. My my 0:45:54.440 --> 0:45:57.840 ego and attitude about Erica and her singing was like, 0:45:58.560 --> 0:46:01.080 you didn't been engaged twice before. Relationships come and go, 0:46:01.120 --> 0:46:02.600 this will be fine, but this music thing is what 0:46:02.640 --> 0:46:04.440 you want for the rest of your life. So I 0:46:04.480 --> 0:46:06.440 would go in the bathroom and cry and come out 0:46:06.480 --> 0:46:09.879 and be like, Lord, I'm thankful for what's my part? 0:46:24.120 --> 0:46:26.560 I act funny at all and Tea's like, it's okay, 0:46:26.560 --> 0:46:27.759 you want you want to stay home? 0:46:27.800 --> 0:46:37.759 I was like, no, I beat all right. So, uh, 0:46:38.000 --> 0:46:40.560 Tina and Teddy had just got married. The record comes out. 0:46:40.600 --> 0:46:43.080 By now we're on single number two, we're on I Sing, 0:46:44.320 --> 0:46:45.239 and we're traveling and. 0:46:45.239 --> 0:46:47.479 We're promoting only one that's not a Campbell yet. 0:46:47.520 --> 0:46:49.160 I'm not a Campbell yet because I'm still. 0:46:49.480 --> 0:46:50.680 For the other people that don't know. 0:46:51.480 --> 0:46:53.759 Both of the sisters married two men that are not 0:46:53.880 --> 0:46:55.640 kind to each other with the last. 0:46:55.520 --> 0:46:56.520 Name camb. 0:46:57.640 --> 0:46:59.440 So you know, he's trying to figure it out, and 0:46:59.480 --> 0:47:01.680 I don't believe. And ultimatums I believe you. You know, 0:47:01.719 --> 0:47:03.160 you show me the rules to the game and I 0:47:03.280 --> 0:47:06.960 play it. I'm not forcing you. I didn't say God please, 0:47:07.320 --> 0:47:12.480 I was like, okay, all right. So then he says, well, 0:47:12.520 --> 0:47:13.600 you know, I'm gonna call you tomorrow. 0:47:13.640 --> 0:47:14.880 And I said, but you want space. 0:47:15.520 --> 0:47:18.680 Space means a way, it means a part. So you 0:47:18.760 --> 0:47:22.000 live in your full complete, no airicodness, and you check 0:47:22.000 --> 0:47:23.480 how that feel. If that's what you want, that's what 0:47:23.560 --> 0:47:25.319 you want, and I'll deal with it. I'll cry for 0:47:25.320 --> 0:47:26.600 about a good two weeks. 0:47:26.360 --> 0:47:29.120 And then I'll be over it. And so we go 0:47:29.200 --> 0:47:31.919 on the road. We're doing something called the road shows. 0:47:31.920 --> 0:47:32.400 We're doing. 0:47:33.960 --> 0:47:36.680 On the road with you, right, No, he didn't try. 0:47:36.719 --> 0:47:37.920 He never really traveled with Mary. 0:47:38.000 --> 0:47:38.239 Mary. 0:47:38.680 --> 0:47:39.319 Yeah. 0:47:39.400 --> 0:47:41.920 So we're on the road, We're doing the road shows 0:47:42.360 --> 0:47:44.080 and I'm crying. 0:47:43.760 --> 0:47:45.759 Like my god, I thought you said this was him. 0:47:45.800 --> 0:47:47.520 But when I talked to him, I'm like, oh, I'm cool, 0:47:47.640 --> 0:47:48.280 you know, because. 0:47:48.040 --> 0:47:51.360 I'm a g and uh. We are in Paris. 0:47:51.400 --> 0:47:54.280 We're leaving Paris, and they said, somebody call the hotel, 0:47:54.400 --> 0:47:55.920 you know for one of the Mary's. I'm like, well, 0:47:55.920 --> 0:47:57.640 it's teena because I ain't got no man, no more 0:47:58.000 --> 0:47:59.400 then we go to Holland. 0:47:59.440 --> 0:48:01.800 We're in the line Ibby in Holland. 0:48:02.360 --> 0:48:05.640 And again there's a call for one of the girls 0:48:05.640 --> 0:48:07.160 and I said, well, Tine's for you. She goes to 0:48:07.200 --> 0:48:10.000 the phone. She comes back, she said, well, it ain't 0:48:10.040 --> 0:48:12.239 for me. She said, it's warn't on the phone. I 0:48:12.280 --> 0:48:14.600 was like, so I go to the phone. And by 0:48:14.600 --> 0:48:18.040 this time, honestly, I'm familiar with heartbreaking heartache. So I 0:48:18.080 --> 0:48:20.799 start building some nice brick walls around my heart. I 0:48:20.840 --> 0:48:22.759 was like, he may come back around, he may not. 0:48:23.760 --> 0:48:26.960 So I pick up the phone. He says, I'm so sorry. 0:48:27.000 --> 0:48:29.520 I do want to marry you. Let's get married in May. 0:48:29.880 --> 0:48:32.200 I'm sorry, and I was like okay. He was like, 0:48:32.239 --> 0:48:33.480 why are you sound like that. I was like, well, 0:48:33.480 --> 0:48:36.640 I've been prepping myself, not for this call, but for 0:48:37.600 --> 0:48:40.960 I can't do it call. So you know, long story short, 0:48:41.000 --> 0:48:44.000 we end up, you know, getting married in twenty three 0:48:44.080 --> 0:48:46.920 years and all of that. But it was a journey 0:48:47.400 --> 0:48:50.799 because I'm a very I'm very honest with myself. I 0:48:50.840 --> 0:48:53.239 don't believe that I can force people to love me. 0:48:53.480 --> 0:48:55.120 You have the same way I could choose God, he 0:48:55.120 --> 0:48:57.400 could choose me or not. And that wouldn't even make 0:48:57.440 --> 0:48:59.680 him a bad guy, you know what I'm saying. So 0:49:00.120 --> 0:49:03.000 our love story and our music story is all intertwined. 0:49:03.000 --> 0:49:05.960 Probably should be a movie. 0:49:04.800 --> 0:49:06.560 It's all intertwined. 0:49:06.880 --> 0:49:07.040 Now. 0:49:07.080 --> 0:49:08.760 I don't know how true this is, but I believe 0:49:08.840 --> 0:49:14.080 Teddy called him while we were in Paris. It said, Nigga, 0:49:14.160 --> 0:49:15.120 you are you crazy? 0:49:15.200 --> 0:49:16.520 Did you see her? You still you? 0:49:16.560 --> 0:49:16.759 Sure? 0:49:16.760 --> 0:49:18.160 You won't space like? 0:49:18.200 --> 0:49:18.279 You? 0:49:18.360 --> 0:49:19.720 Better go and get that girl? 0:49:19.840 --> 0:49:22.200 And so you know, and it shackles out at this point. 0:49:22.200 --> 0:49:25.200 Shackles is out at this point. Yeah, Shackles is because 0:49:25.239 --> 0:49:26.560 we're in Europe. It's all over it. 0:49:27.360 --> 0:49:30.959 Let's talk, Let's go back, so you get the record deal, Yes, 0:49:32.560 --> 0:49:42.359 and the first single is Shackles holding not a long time, Yeah, 0:49:42.560 --> 0:49:46.439 even if it's a year and a half, there's a talk. Yes, 0:49:47.560 --> 0:49:51.520 and out the gate you were off man to the race. 0:49:52.760 --> 0:49:57.759 You in your mind have been saying, this is what 0:49:57.880 --> 0:49:58.480 I want? 0:49:58.719 --> 0:49:59.200 For sure? 0:50:00.560 --> 0:50:02.399 Is it beyond expectation? 0:50:02.840 --> 0:50:03.600 Oh? For sure. 0:50:04.520 --> 0:50:07.719 I grew up saying that God can do exceedingly abundantly 0:50:07.800 --> 0:50:11.400 above all I could ask or think, according to the 0:50:11.440 --> 0:50:14.520 power that works in me. So I felt like God, 0:50:14.520 --> 0:50:16.680 I'm working my power. I've been singing up and doing. 0:50:16.719 --> 0:50:19.640 I've been, you know, getting ready for this, and so 0:50:19.760 --> 0:50:23.240 here we are, and God kind of dropped a bomb 0:50:23.280 --> 0:50:26.040 on me and said, if you expect me to be great, 0:50:26.040 --> 0:50:30.319 don't be surprised when I am, because interviewers favorite question 0:50:30.400 --> 0:50:32.600 is can you believe it? And so I spent a 0:50:32.640 --> 0:50:35.279 few years going, I can't believe it. Oh man, I 0:50:35.280 --> 0:50:40.040 couldn't believe it, and so then I started changing. Yeah, God, 0:50:42.080 --> 0:50:45.439 you know, you can't expect something, anticipate something, planned for something, 0:50:45.480 --> 0:50:48.240 and when you get it, you spend your days talking 0:50:48.280 --> 0:50:51.239 about it in total wonderment. It should be more appreciation 0:50:51.360 --> 0:50:54.040 and gratitude, like, wow, not only did you do what 0:50:54.080 --> 0:50:56.440 you showed me, you did more than I could imagine. 0:50:56.560 --> 0:50:58.600 Because not only did he do this through me with 0:50:58.640 --> 0:51:00.600 this music, You're changing people, those lives. 0:51:00.920 --> 0:51:04.160 You're touching people that I may never meet. You're allowing me. 0:51:04.280 --> 0:51:07.960 This girl from Englewood, who you know grew up poor 0:51:08.000 --> 0:51:08.799 on welfare. 0:51:09.000 --> 0:51:11.080 You know all of that. You allow me to have 0:51:11.120 --> 0:51:14.080 this influence, in this impact. You know what I mean, 0:51:14.120 --> 0:51:16.520 even when I'm still having moments of struggle with my faith, 0:51:16.560 --> 0:51:19.840 because life is life, you know, you still choose to 0:51:19.920 --> 0:51:22.080 use me and let me sing this music and can't 0:51:22.120 --> 0:51:24.600 give up now and God and me and go get it. 0:51:24.640 --> 0:51:27.120 And then the reality show and all these layers that 0:51:27.200 --> 0:51:30.760 become Erica that just allow me to grow and see myself, 0:51:30.800 --> 0:51:33.200 see my own brokenness, but to see His greatness. And 0:51:33.239 --> 0:51:37.040 I think that's the most that's the most amazing part 0:51:37.160 --> 0:51:39.640 of all of it, is you allow me to see 0:51:39.680 --> 0:51:42.000 how fragile I am and it those people would sing 0:51:42.040 --> 0:51:42.680 ten times. 0:51:42.440 --> 0:51:44.880 Better than me. It's of course they're out there, but 0:51:45.000 --> 0:51:46.000 you chose to use me. 0:51:46.320 --> 0:51:46.640 Mm hm. 0:51:47.040 --> 0:51:50.000 And my humility precedes me everywhere I go, even though 0:51:50.040 --> 0:51:52.160 I'm full aware of who I am in my capability, 0:51:52.800 --> 0:51:56.279 but I know it ain't me, it's him. My insecurity 0:51:56.320 --> 0:51:59.240 doesn't make me inflate myself. So I feel better about 0:51:59.239 --> 0:52:01.160 myself and God uses me. 0:52:01.239 --> 0:52:02.040 That's how I feel. 0:52:02.719 --> 0:52:13.800 Tell me we we we went to yes abundance above beyond. 0:52:14.600 --> 0:52:19.719 Tell me some of the struggle that came along with shackles. 0:52:20.239 --> 0:52:20.720 Mm hmmm. 0:52:22.520 --> 0:52:25.719 The church people that I loved that didn't understand. It's 0:52:25.760 --> 0:52:29.840 like y'all know me. So we started off, you know, 0:52:30.000 --> 0:52:32.680 doing big R and B and hip hop festivals. 0:52:32.719 --> 0:52:36.239 We started off it was an event with the roots, 0:52:36.360 --> 0:52:38.160 Snoop Dogg, Little Kim. 0:52:38.040 --> 0:52:46.160 And Mary Mary, you know, started off in all these spaces. 0:52:47.120 --> 0:52:48.600 Vibe had their juice. 0:52:50.080 --> 0:52:52.560 Addition, and it's everybody just hot and up and coming 0:52:52.680 --> 0:52:55.719 and Mary Mary smack dab in the middle of that, and. 0:52:55.640 --> 0:52:58.360 It was just it was weird, but it was great. 0:52:58.520 --> 0:53:01.200 But I wanted to be accepted by the people that 0:53:01.239 --> 0:53:04.640 have poured into me spiritually that prepared me to share 0:53:04.680 --> 0:53:06.640 the Gospel with the world. I wanted them to be 0:53:06.760 --> 0:53:08.960 okay with it being this part of the world, not 0:53:09.000 --> 0:53:11.000 the church part of the world. So there were some 0:53:11.040 --> 0:53:13.239 people who understood and got it, and most church girls 0:53:13.280 --> 0:53:13.880 that I talked. 0:53:13.680 --> 0:53:15.880 To there was like, man, we were just so happy 0:53:15.920 --> 0:53:19.319 when y'all came on a scene, like, oh finally, right. 0:53:19.480 --> 0:53:20.399 Do you think that. 0:53:22.120 --> 0:53:28.240 When you speak about it, it feels like the regional 0:53:28.360 --> 0:53:32.840 artist that blows up everywhere else. 0:53:32.600 --> 0:53:36.480 But at home. Let's see what you're saying. 0:53:36.600 --> 0:53:40.000 Yeah, you know, it's like, Okay, I'm from the Bay Area, right, 0:53:40.040 --> 0:53:44.480 and it's like if the whole world is singing your song, 0:53:45.200 --> 0:53:47.760 but the Bay Area is like this, don't feel like they're. 0:53:47.560 --> 0:53:50.280 Bad, right, Yeah, when. 0:53:50.120 --> 0:53:51.960 You speak about it, that's how it feels to me. 0:53:52.080 --> 0:53:54.040 Yeah, that's how it felt for some church people. So 0:53:54.080 --> 0:53:56.960 we spent some years trying to convince. If we would 0:53:57.000 --> 0:53:59.120 do a church event or a conference or something, we 0:53:59.160 --> 0:54:01.520 would spend years trying. We would try to convince them 0:54:01.520 --> 0:54:03.880 how churchy we were. I remember we did a National 0:54:03.920 --> 0:54:08.640 Baptist convention. When I tell you, they was like, and 0:54:08.680 --> 0:54:09.960 we tried to wear our church is. 0:54:10.360 --> 0:54:12.719 You know, let the dress. We're not gonna wear leather 0:54:12.760 --> 0:54:14.960 pants today. We're gonna you know what I'm saying, we 0:54:15.040 --> 0:54:16.000 don't know. 0:54:16.840 --> 0:54:18.640 We tried to wear our church is and they still 0:54:18.719 --> 0:54:20.600 was like, I mean, they invited us, you know, they 0:54:20.960 --> 0:54:21.400 gave us a. 0:54:21.400 --> 0:54:25.080 Little love offering, but it was it was just interesting. 0:54:25.640 --> 0:54:33.560 And shackles don't make you move. But I'm saying already. 0:54:33.400 --> 0:54:35.239 It's it's you. 0:54:35.800 --> 0:54:37.720 But you know, you know, every song. 0:54:37.600 --> 0:54:40.919 Isn't for everything objective. For sure, music is subjective. But 0:54:41.200 --> 0:54:44.000 that beat so was the kick in saying. 0:54:46.320 --> 0:54:48.400 This right here on shackles. 0:54:48.600 --> 0:54:49.839 Yeah, you a hater. 0:54:50.040 --> 0:54:53.480 You a hater, ain't no God in you. 0:54:54.280 --> 0:54:56.160 I mean, maybe they more Mama Shirley, you know what 0:54:56.160 --> 0:54:58.239 I'm saying, Maybe they more quartet, you know. 0:54:58.200 --> 0:55:01.560 But I'm sure from from from from your eyes and 0:55:01.600 --> 0:55:04.799 your sister's eyes too had to be like this don't 0:55:04.840 --> 0:55:05.360 make sense. 0:55:05.640 --> 0:55:07.719 Yeah, I mean, you know when we would go to 0:55:08.719 --> 0:55:13.319 we went to a Gospel award, and you know, our 0:55:13.360 --> 0:55:15.080 seats was like way in the back. 0:55:15.880 --> 0:55:18.960 And this is after Shackles. Is Shackles in the world. 0:55:18.760 --> 0:55:20.800 Top five in the world, not just gospel charts or 0:55:20.840 --> 0:55:23.560 pop charts or R and B in the world, and 0:55:23.600 --> 0:55:27.120 they still kind of just we never performed Shackles. We 0:55:27.160 --> 0:55:30.080 didn't perform Shackles on the Stellar Awards until. 0:55:29.760 --> 0:55:32.640 We did The Mary. Mary's been here for twenty years. 0:55:33.080 --> 0:55:36.960 Most of our big songs didn't get performed on that 0:55:37.600 --> 0:55:38.280 award show. 0:55:39.040 --> 0:55:40.160 Yeah, that's that's wild. 0:55:40.520 --> 0:55:42.360 I mean, but it's fine. I mean, here's how I 0:55:42.400 --> 0:55:45.640 look at it. Everybody's music is coming out. I can't 0:55:45.719 --> 0:55:49.040 let my ego say, oh, I'm supposed to be here, maybe. 0:55:48.840 --> 0:55:49.919 It's somebody else's turn. 0:55:50.160 --> 0:55:52.600 Because here's what I know for sure, there's never a 0:55:52.680 --> 0:55:55.080 moment in heaven when God is saying I'm meant for 0:55:55.239 --> 0:55:57.839 Eric to have that, but darn it, somebody else took 0:55:57.880 --> 0:55:58.399 it from her. 0:55:58.600 --> 0:55:59.840 That means it's not my time. 0:56:00.239 --> 0:56:03.160 But when it is my time, I'm gonna make sure 0:56:03.160 --> 0:56:04.960 I give it everything I have. So I become a 0:56:05.000 --> 0:56:08.279 solo artist right start doing Erica Campbell. Tina says she 0:56:08.360 --> 0:56:10.719 wants to take a break. That's two thirteen. 0:56:10.840 --> 0:56:13.319 Yeah, how do you get into Is it just I 0:56:13.400 --> 0:56:14.520 need I need some time. 0:56:14.719 --> 0:56:17.319 It's I need some time with my family. You know. 0:56:19.880 --> 0:56:23.640 During the show it's made the last two seasons, Mary 0:56:23.640 --> 0:56:25.080 May is a lot, very busy. 0:56:25.160 --> 0:56:27.000 It's a lot going on, a lot of decisions. By 0:56:27.040 --> 0:56:28.200 this time, we have children. 0:56:28.680 --> 0:56:30.919 You know, we're working. I got three kids, she got 0:56:30.960 --> 0:56:33.160 five kids. You know, we're trying to do all the things. 0:56:33.239 --> 0:56:35.520 But I feel like I'm supposed to keep going. So 0:56:35.560 --> 0:56:37.560 we do a little more Jesus, which very different from 0:56:37.560 --> 0:56:39.359 the last songs. The last two songs of Mary Mary 0:56:39.440 --> 0:56:41.319 was God and Me and go get It. So we 0:56:41.400 --> 0:56:44.799 do a little more Jesus with this kind of rock 0:56:45.800 --> 0:56:50.600 church combination. And I get invited to sing on the 0:56:50.600 --> 0:56:54.200 Stellear Awards. Well, first I didn't. I'm not going to 0:56:54.280 --> 0:56:56.879 change that. I didn't get invited. We asked can Erica 0:56:56.920 --> 0:57:00.560 Campbell perform? Well, we don't know Erica Campbell by herself. 0:57:01.280 --> 0:57:04.960 And I'm like, I hosted it three times though I 0:57:05.040 --> 0:57:06.759 hop about twenty two Stellars at home. 0:57:06.800 --> 0:57:07.239 You know me. 0:57:08.560 --> 0:57:11.640 Hold on, so holdo, we gotta cut this. 0:57:14.920 --> 0:57:16.440 So no, no, no, let me tell you. No, I'm 0:57:16.440 --> 0:57:16.880 gonna tell you. 0:57:16.880 --> 0:57:19.400 I'm gonna tell you why this all makes sense. So 0:57:20.000 --> 0:57:23.320 they said, we don't know you by yourself, But that 0:57:23.440 --> 0:57:25.480 is the same thing my husband said, I don't know 0:57:25.520 --> 0:57:28.640 your voice by itself because i've heard you with your sister. 0:57:29.160 --> 0:57:32.200 Greatly offended at both him and them, but it was 0:57:32.400 --> 0:57:34.600 the truth. He said, you got two options. 0:57:35.200 --> 0:57:37.040 Be mad and don't do it, and tell this story 0:57:37.040 --> 0:57:39.640 forever how somebody didn't believe in you, or go and 0:57:39.680 --> 0:57:42.720 sing like you're losing your mind. Treat it like this 0:57:42.760 --> 0:57:45.560 is the Erica Campbell Show. Treat it like everybody there 0:57:45.640 --> 0:57:48.760 only wants to see you. So I had a custom outfit. 0:57:49.080 --> 0:57:54.080 I had Lorianne come with choreographer performance. You know, I 0:57:54.120 --> 0:57:56.440 had a lighting person come check out the lighting. Now, 0:57:56.480 --> 0:57:59.560 mind you, they only gave me a minute in thirty 0:57:59.560 --> 0:58:05.400 four secs. So I said, okay, a minute in thirty 0:58:05.440 --> 0:58:07.000 four second cause they don't know me by myself, So 0:58:07.080 --> 0:58:09.880 let me go and let you see who I am 0:58:09.960 --> 0:58:14.479 by myself. So it's a collabor collaborative performance with three 0:58:14.560 --> 0:58:17.439 other artists that were relatively new and so I didn't 0:58:17.480 --> 0:58:18.360 just do the lighting for me. 0:58:18.440 --> 0:58:20.680 I said, make us all look good. I didn't just 0:58:20.800 --> 0:58:21.240 do it for me. 0:58:21.320 --> 0:58:23.760 I said, well in the end, then we all sing 0:58:23.800 --> 0:58:26.600 it together, and it's a moment for female gospel artists. 0:58:26.640 --> 0:58:28.840 I didn't make it all about me. I remember being 0:58:28.880 --> 0:58:30.240 in the back and one of my good friends was 0:58:30.240 --> 0:58:30.520 in the back. 0:58:30.560 --> 0:58:31.720 He was like, man, this is whack. 0:58:31.960 --> 0:58:33.920 They shouldn't you should have had your whole moment. I 0:58:33.960 --> 0:58:36.280 was like, it's cool, I'm gonna take it. I was 0:58:36.320 --> 0:58:38.760 on time the sound check. I showed up and spoke 0:58:38.800 --> 0:58:39.480 to everybody. 0:58:39.640 --> 0:58:41.280 I said thank you to them for having me. 0:58:41.640 --> 0:58:45.560 You know how rehearsals at TV shows go, you know recordings. 0:58:45.720 --> 0:58:47.480 You're gonna sit there. You're gonna it's hurry up and wait, 0:58:47.560 --> 0:58:49.040 we need you hear three. But you're not gonna sing 0:58:49.040 --> 0:58:51.800 the four forty five, right. So I sat there and 0:58:51.880 --> 0:58:54.000 I was just as polite to everybody. I could be 0:58:54.000 --> 0:58:58.280 polite too, And then I sung my song and the 0:58:58.400 --> 0:59:01.080 room was blessed and God did in the room what 0:59:01.200 --> 0:59:03.360 he wanted to do in the room. So it wasn't 0:59:03.400 --> 0:59:05.360 I didn't want if I made it all about me, 0:59:05.480 --> 0:59:07.600 then it was I only got a minute thirty four. 0:59:07.960 --> 0:59:10.760 You know, but I was like, Erica, don't make it 0:59:10.840 --> 0:59:13.600 about you, right, because if God gave you this song, 0:59:13.640 --> 0:59:15.840 then somebody needs to hear. I need a little more Jesus. 0:59:16.160 --> 0:59:18.800 So you know, I came out. I had a little fascinator. 0:59:18.840 --> 0:59:20.960 I threw the head in the audience, and you know 0:59:20.960 --> 0:59:21.360 what I'm saying. 0:59:21.400 --> 0:59:21.960 I rocked out. 0:59:22.040 --> 0:59:23.000 I did everything that I was. 0:59:23.440 --> 0:59:27.720 You said, I'm not gonna say that. Why Campbell said 0:59:27.920 --> 0:59:29.640 like this, He said, make it count. If you donna 0:59:29.680 --> 0:59:31.439 leave your house, make it count. 0:59:31.480 --> 0:59:33.560 Don't go and waste your time. Have I wasted my 0:59:33.600 --> 0:59:34.760 time a few times? 0:59:35.120 --> 0:59:35.360 Yeah? 0:59:35.600 --> 0:59:37.560 You know, because when you're naturally gifted, maybe you don't 0:59:37.600 --> 0:59:39.440 rehearse as much, and maybe you are a little laden. 0:59:39.800 --> 0:59:41.640 Maybe you don't do this, and you know, maybe you 0:59:41.640 --> 0:59:42.920 don't do that. And he was like you, that's a 0:59:42.960 --> 0:59:47.520 waste of time. Go and be professional. Treat it like 0:59:47.560 --> 0:59:50.400 a privilege that somebody thinks enough of your talent that 0:59:50.480 --> 0:59:52.360 I want to pay you to come and sing for 0:59:52.400 --> 0:59:54.960 three minutes or thirty minutes or whatever it is. 0:59:55.360 --> 0:59:57.720 Like, nobody don't spend their day. I work an hour 0:59:57.920 --> 1:00:01.200 and I make this. Treat that with respect, you know, what. 1:00:01.200 --> 1:00:03.160 I'm saying, show up for the people that are excited 1:00:03.200 --> 1:00:04.919 to see you, that maybe this is their first time 1:00:04.960 --> 1:00:07.000 seeing you. So I always wanted to treat it like that. 1:00:07.040 --> 1:00:09.000 And I have great respect for the Stellar Awards. 1:00:09.000 --> 1:00:10.080 I'm a huge gospel fan. 1:00:10.080 --> 1:00:12.520 I remember watching it on TV wishing that I could 1:00:12.560 --> 1:00:14.959 be there. So I dare not turn my first time 1:00:15.000 --> 1:00:17.360 to stand on the stage by myself into this thing 1:00:17.440 --> 1:00:20.320 about me because they didn't receive me the way I 1:00:20.360 --> 1:00:22.720 wanted or the invitation didn't come the way I wanted. 1:00:22.800 --> 1:00:25.520 And then I started comparing myself. She's saying, and she saying, 1:00:25.600 --> 1:00:28.560 that's their story, this is mine. How You're gonna treat it, Erica. 1:00:29.720 --> 1:00:31.840 So I came and I did the best that I 1:00:31.880 --> 1:00:34.640 do could do. And the compliment that I love the 1:00:34.680 --> 1:00:38.040 most is we love working with her. It's a pleasure 1:00:38.040 --> 1:00:42.600 to work with her. So so then I came back 1:00:42.640 --> 1:00:43.160 next year. 1:00:43.360 --> 1:00:46.400 In the next year, I was nominated for eight one 1:00:46.480 --> 1:00:48.600 all eight, and then the next. 1:00:48.560 --> 1:00:54.280 Year after that, I but had I treated them nasty? 1:00:54.440 --> 1:00:55.320 You know what I'm saying for that. 1:00:55.280 --> 1:00:58.800 Minute and third you are giving a real lesson. 1:00:59.560 --> 1:01:00.880 Yeah, and. 1:01:02.800 --> 1:01:06.120 First being grateful, Let's start there for sure, being grateful, 1:01:06.160 --> 1:01:09.360 but let God, let him work, let him do what 1:01:09.360 --> 1:01:09.960 he needs to do. 1:01:10.160 --> 1:01:11.760 Get out of the way with your attitude in your 1:01:11.760 --> 1:01:14.600 mouth and you're going live and you're posting and you. 1:01:15.040 --> 1:01:18.400 Like and like. 1:01:18.520 --> 1:01:20.680 Now nobody wants to invite you because that means you 1:01:20.720 --> 1:01:21.200 can't take no. 1:01:21.280 --> 1:01:22.120 You're a spoiled kid. 1:01:22.840 --> 1:01:23.040 I can. 1:01:23.280 --> 1:01:25.600 I can take a yes, and I can take a no. Well, no, 1:01:25.680 --> 1:01:26.800 she's not suited for the show. 1:01:27.120 --> 1:01:27.560 That's okay. 1:01:27.600 --> 1:01:29.640 I'll be shooting suited for another one because there's always 1:01:29.680 --> 1:01:30.200 another show. 1:01:31.000 --> 1:01:33.720 Then I'm gonna get invited, and I'm gonna come with 1:01:33.760 --> 1:01:36.520 a good spirit and I'm gonna cook and I'm. 1:01:36.360 --> 1:01:47.160 Gonna so okay. 1:01:47.200 --> 1:01:50.360 So fast forward to its twenty twenty three releasing the 1:01:50.400 --> 1:01:52.840 I Love You record, which I am immensely proud of, 1:01:52.920 --> 1:01:56.400 was my last record nominated for a Grammy. We didn't 1:01:56.400 --> 1:02:00.320 get the Grammy, went to the Stellars, nominated for two Gsmies, 1:02:01.360 --> 1:02:06.560 nominated for about six Stellars, So Warren wins for producer. 1:02:06.800 --> 1:02:08.720 They went for the video, but the one that I wanted, 1:02:08.720 --> 1:02:10.120 the Album of the Year, I didn't get. 1:02:10.320 --> 1:02:11.960 So my kids are here with me. It's a moment. 1:02:12.040 --> 1:02:14.000 My kids are fabulous. Stout by Jay Bowlin. We do 1:02:14.040 --> 1:02:16.680 this photo shoot like it's amazing. The pictures go viral, 1:02:16.680 --> 1:02:17.600 all the moments go viral. 1:02:17.920 --> 1:02:19.560 But I didn't win. So when we get back to 1:02:19.600 --> 1:02:21.840 the room, my kids are talking to me. There's always 1:02:21.880 --> 1:02:22.840 a moment to learn, right. 1:02:23.400 --> 1:02:25.280 So while I believe in that record, I know that 1:02:25.360 --> 1:02:28.080 I Love You record is powerful because my aim was 1:02:28.080 --> 1:02:29.960 to make a love deposit in the world, to take 1:02:29.960 --> 1:02:32.640 a different look at God's love, not based on is 1:02:32.680 --> 1:02:34.439 my life. I love you because my life is good. 1:02:34.440 --> 1:02:36.240 I love you even my life is bad. So I 1:02:36.240 --> 1:02:37.840 Love You record is all of that. So I've been 1:02:37.920 --> 1:02:39.080 speaking that to my children. 1:02:40.120 --> 1:02:43.360 We're in the room and they said, Mimmy, how do 1:02:43.360 --> 1:02:44.960 you feel. I said, I'm sad because I didn't win, 1:02:47.080 --> 1:02:49.080 you know, And so they're like, that's not fair. 1:02:49.120 --> 1:02:52.640 And but the people who did win are my friends, 1:02:52.640 --> 1:02:54.880 and I'm super happy for them because the record is fire. 1:02:55.320 --> 1:02:57.720 So I'm not a hater at all, but I still 1:02:57.760 --> 1:03:00.400 want to win, so I have to regulate my motions. 1:03:00.400 --> 1:03:02.280 It was the same way when we were at the Grammys, Like, 1:03:02.600 --> 1:03:03.960 you know, me and Warren left and we were just 1:03:04.000 --> 1:03:06.680 a little quiet, you know what I'm saying. So I 1:03:06.720 --> 1:03:08.880 believe God allows me to have great moments and then 1:03:08.960 --> 1:03:11.720 real moments, human moments, low moments to see. Okay, so 1:03:11.800 --> 1:03:13.840 you're real happy when I'm good to you, You're real 1:03:13.880 --> 1:03:16.760 happy when you win in are you still grateful when 1:03:16.760 --> 1:03:19.760 it's not your turn? You know what I'm saying. Everybody 1:03:19.760 --> 1:03:22.440 got to take an L. The l's make the winds 1:03:22.520 --> 1:03:25.720 much better. So you know, while I'm still working this, 1:03:25.760 --> 1:03:27.560 I love you record. I still believe in it. I 1:03:27.560 --> 1:03:29.960 still know it was powerful. It didn't do what I 1:03:30.040 --> 1:03:32.880 thought it would do. Well, maybe that wasn't God's assignment 1:03:32.960 --> 1:03:35.760 for it. Maybe it is a resurgence of it, the 1:03:35.800 --> 1:03:39.760 same way like walking with viral like four five times 1:03:39.800 --> 1:03:43.080 after the record in two thousand and eight because of TikTok. 1:03:43.400 --> 1:03:49.600 I was gonna ask, was that like churches. 1:03:49.480 --> 1:03:52.000 Along no walking? 1:03:52.320 --> 1:03:55.840 I just don't know. It could be. 1:04:00.440 --> 1:04:02.000 You know what I love about Cali worship. 1:04:02.080 --> 1:04:04.680 We have a guy that somebody can be shouting like 1:04:04.720 --> 1:04:07.560 traditional church child, and it's another guy who's break dancing. 1:04:07.800 --> 1:04:10.040 It's somebody else who's crip walking in the back. So 1:04:10.080 --> 1:04:11.720 your praise is your praise, So yes. 1:04:13.520 --> 1:04:18.800 And I've seen it only in l A. I'm somebody 1:04:19.600 --> 1:04:21.520 talking about the gangster, the Gospel. 1:04:21.160 --> 1:04:23.880 Of l A we talk about and they love Jesus 1:04:24.000 --> 1:04:24.800 at the forum. 1:04:27.480 --> 1:04:30.680 I see it all at the same time. 1:04:31.480 --> 1:04:35.120 I don't know what you want I'm gonna do. 1:04:35.680 --> 1:04:37.360 I don't know. I don't know. The crip Walking is 1:04:37.360 --> 1:04:37.959 way more cool. 1:04:37.960 --> 1:04:41.320 I think it's Big Beef. Does he go to your church? 1:04:41.400 --> 1:04:45.479 Big No, I don't think Big Beef church. 1:04:45.720 --> 1:04:52.360 But they're talking to Warren on the side for you 1:04:52.720 --> 1:04:54.120 around who they keep looking at. 1:04:54.000 --> 1:04:55.080 Great moment. 1:04:56.360 --> 1:05:00.520 Episode, Gosh, Jesus. 1:05:00.600 --> 1:05:00.640 No. 1:05:00.800 --> 1:05:03.160 But I mean, you know, we've seen some interesting people, 1:05:03.440 --> 1:05:07.120 you know, and I can understand how walking with viral. 1:05:08.400 --> 1:05:11.200 And it's everybody like it's it's all kinds of people. 1:05:11.280 --> 1:05:14.000 And I think that it's just my responsibility to put 1:05:14.000 --> 1:05:16.000 it out there, you know what I'm saying, and whoever 1:05:16.040 --> 1:05:20.320 receives it receives it. Some will someone look like church 1:05:20.400 --> 1:05:23.360 for everybody. It's for it's literally for everybody. Are you 1:05:23.440 --> 1:05:25.040 gonna tell me I can sing about God, but you 1:05:25.080 --> 1:05:25.760 can't listen to it. 1:05:25.800 --> 1:05:26.840 Everybody could listen to you. 1:05:27.560 --> 1:05:28.440 Yeah, how many. 1:05:30.080 --> 1:05:30.720 Twenty seven? 1:05:32.280 --> 1:05:33.040 How many Grammys? 1:05:33.560 --> 1:05:33.840 Five? 1:05:36.560 --> 1:05:39.360 I'm just gonna come by your house. I can admire 1:05:39.440 --> 1:05:43.400 one day because you know, your husband has another twenty seven. 1:05:45.680 --> 1:05:50.600 Yeah, it's a blessing. You know, it's so bad. 1:05:50.640 --> 1:05:51.480 Yeah, we do have a trophy. 1:05:51.520 --> 1:05:55.680 Room, won't he do it? 1:05:55.800 --> 1:05:55.960 Room? 1:05:56.160 --> 1:06:10.280 Won't deliver a load, deliver a law deliver Alon. 1:06:10.360 --> 1:06:11.280 I'm learning everything. 1:06:11.640 --> 1:06:12.720 I'm learning every time. 1:06:13.160 --> 1:06:16.000 There's grace for us all. Thank God for grace. 1:06:16.200 --> 1:06:19.800 I listen, thank God for grace. My goodness. 1:06:19.880 --> 1:06:22.400 Amen, we were living under. 1:06:22.240 --> 1:06:29.000 The law, earth opening up and the fire burning. 1:06:32.320 --> 1:06:34.760 You know some people, don't they He will be right 1:06:34.800 --> 1:06:36.160 here because you. 1:06:36.160 --> 1:06:37.760 Don't even got to you already know. 1:06:38.240 --> 1:06:39.720 Listen, I need the piece of gud. 1:06:40.480 --> 1:06:42.360 Listen, I know where that north star is. 1:06:42.480 --> 1:06:58.160 Absolutely, Amen, Amen, come on, he's so dramatic. 1:07:04.080 --> 1:07:09.400 First lady sister, he can't believe. We are grateful that 1:07:09.520 --> 1:07:14.480 you are here on today, and now is the time 1:07:14.600 --> 1:07:21.400 that the people need to hear from you. They want 1:07:21.480 --> 1:07:30.040 to know the music that has shape and made. 1:07:29.840 --> 1:07:30.480 Who you are. 1:07:33.160 --> 1:07:40.400 Your favorites, my favorites. We call that your m HM. 1:07:42.160 --> 1:07:46.400 Five, your top. 1:07:46.360 --> 1:07:55.240 Five, top five, your top five. 1:07:55.760 --> 1:07:57.960 O the singers. 1:08:00.160 --> 1:08:07.760 RnB song he rock it out, you yallson, dude, they're 1:08:07.880 --> 1:08:10.680 on the show that everybody knows. 1:08:14.800 --> 1:08:20.040 Yes, talk. 1:08:26.080 --> 1:08:26.120 You. 1:08:35.360 --> 1:08:40.920 Oh my god, that was so dumb. Oh was I finished? 1:08:46.520 --> 1:08:48.160 I'm so sick of you right now? 1:08:49.160 --> 1:08:53.040 Oh god, five that's hard camel. 1:08:53.720 --> 1:08:54.599 Is it all females? 1:08:54.640 --> 1:08:55.320 A female male? 1:08:55.479 --> 1:09:00.719 Top five R and B singers instead, or live your list, 1:09:01.160 --> 1:09:11.680 you pray, man, what you do, whatever you want, what 1:09:11.960 --> 1:09:14.880 you did? 1:09:15.000 --> 1:09:15.840 Or alive. 1:09:17.360 --> 1:09:18.800 Jeff R and B, not R and B. 1:09:18.920 --> 1:09:23.479 That is gonna put up whatever started army. The voices, artists, 1:09:23.479 --> 1:09:23.840 the voice. 1:09:23.880 --> 1:09:24.760 The voices first. 1:09:25.560 --> 1:09:30.200 The first one that comes to mind is Donny Hathaway. 1:09:31.800 --> 1:09:37.519 Just the warmth, the runs, the the tone, the texture, 1:09:37.720 --> 1:09:42.439 the pain. Whitney got. 1:09:45.000 --> 1:09:49.559 I'm ask you a little younger, I say, Jasmine Sullivan 1:09:52.520 --> 1:09:57.040 up hm hmm, Okay, I got two more? 1:09:57.479 --> 1:10:03.479 Oh man, this is not fair. Roberta flat mm hmm, 1:10:04.400 --> 1:10:05.080 roberta flat. 1:10:05.280 --> 1:10:06.679 Yes, that's nice. 1:10:06.760 --> 1:10:10.080 She don't have to holler, she just she just she's 1:10:10.200 --> 1:10:14.040 so soothing, you know. I got one more? 1:10:14.160 --> 1:10:17.519 Hungh mmm, more voice? 1:10:17.640 --> 1:10:18.320 What did I say? 1:10:18.960 --> 1:10:23.200 I said, Whitney Whitney zz jazz. 1:10:25.400 --> 1:10:28.320 Voices to meet it. 1:10:28.400 --> 1:10:28.720 I like. 1:10:30.320 --> 1:10:32.960 Not that has the biggest records, in the biggest songs 1:10:33.000 --> 1:10:35.120 with the voice. This is yours, this is mine. 1:10:35.680 --> 1:10:39.639 When you turn on your cassette, you what you want 1:10:39.680 --> 1:10:39.880 to hear? 1:10:40.720 --> 1:10:44.400 H oh a cassette. 1:10:45.280 --> 1:10:49.760 He went way back, okay, can I said, not too 1:10:49.840 --> 1:10:50.400 long ago? 1:10:51.080 --> 1:10:51.799 I saw one. 1:10:52.840 --> 1:10:55.080 Somebody had a cassette for me to side. 1:10:57.160 --> 1:10:58.320 You because. 1:11:00.640 --> 1:11:07.720 Stephen, come on, Steve, did you right there? 1:11:07.760 --> 1:11:11.200 And remember that time when uh, what's what's my guy 1:11:11.280 --> 1:11:17.880 with the glasses from from overseas older artists? Remember when 1:11:17.920 --> 1:11:21.080 Elmon John actually didn't have a song to see Stevie 1:11:21.200 --> 1:11:23.160 on his birthday and he just made up. 1:11:23.040 --> 1:11:25.559 A song Steve there s. 1:11:31.960 --> 1:11:32.840 You wonderfull. 1:11:35.280 --> 1:11:38.480 We thank you because you wonder. 1:11:39.840 --> 1:11:40.200 Steve. 1:11:41.840 --> 1:11:46.800 Steve like he just do this, mister, happy birthday to you. 1:11:46.920 --> 1:11:51.760 You could have song song ste there. He wanted to 1:11:51.840 --> 1:11:55.240 create his own you wonderfull songwriter. 1:11:56.040 --> 1:11:59.120 And I too like that. I can enjoy it. 1:12:00.120 --> 1:12:03.799 Paard something five R and B songs. 1:12:04.800 --> 1:12:11.320 It had me crying. It was James Ingram, what James say? 1:12:13.800 --> 1:12:17.360 And I just couldn't stop. And I have a great 1:12:17.439 --> 1:12:21.920 James Ingram story. I was singing on an event with James, 1:12:22.880 --> 1:12:26.040 Stevie and Natalie Cole. 1:12:26.520 --> 1:12:29.320 He's just gonna pour all the champagne the. 1:12:30.880 --> 1:12:33.599 Opening for this show, and I'm like in my mind, 1:12:33.600 --> 1:12:36.479 I keep going, what am I doing here? What am 1:12:36.560 --> 1:12:37.360 I doing here? 1:12:37.960 --> 1:12:38.240 Wow? 1:12:38.680 --> 1:12:42.519 And right before the curtain goes up. They were honoring 1:12:42.600 --> 1:12:47.040 Lionel Richie James Ingram grabs my hand and says, you're 1:12:47.120 --> 1:12:50.320 supposed to be here too, and it just allowed me 1:12:50.439 --> 1:12:54.599 to just take a different loud No, I didn't say anything. 1:12:54.680 --> 1:12:57.639 He could just I guess he could feel my I'm 1:12:57.720 --> 1:12:59.280 looking at Natalie Cole, I'm looking. 1:12:59.320 --> 1:13:01.400 I'm like, what the heck am I doing here? And 1:13:01.479 --> 1:13:04.519 I'm not even with Tina, I'm by myself. This was 1:13:04.600 --> 1:13:06.639 way before I was solo. I was pregnant with my son, 1:13:06.720 --> 1:13:09.439 so I was like, I was like, what the heck 1:13:09.479 --> 1:13:12.160 am I doing here? And he said, you're supposed to 1:13:12.240 --> 1:13:12.519 be here? 1:13:13.160 --> 1:13:20.160 Oh man, yes, one hundred ways. 1:13:21.640 --> 1:13:21.840 Yes. 1:13:22.640 --> 1:13:24.679 M Or how do you keep the music playing? 1:13:24.800 --> 1:13:24.840 Is? 1:13:24.880 --> 1:13:25.760 How do you keep the music? 1:13:26.320 --> 1:13:27.240 How do you keep the music? 1:13:27.520 --> 1:13:31.680 Him and Patty Austin, It's like it's magical what they 1:13:31.800 --> 1:13:35.800 do with the message and the melodies, and so you 1:13:35.880 --> 1:13:37.599 got to give a shout out to Quincy Jones, right, 1:13:37.640 --> 1:13:40.479 But it's just that's definitely one of my top. 1:13:40.439 --> 1:13:42.679 R and B songs. That's a that's a good question. 1:13:42.840 --> 1:13:45.920 Top five R and B songs? I would say one 1:13:45.960 --> 1:13:51.360 of my favorite is It's It's a It's a well, Joe, 1:13:52.720 --> 1:13:53.800 all the things you man want to do. 1:13:55.080 --> 1:13:56.080 Yes, that's a good song. 1:13:56.160 --> 1:13:59.080 I've seen him sing that song live so many times. 1:14:00.160 --> 1:14:00.840 You never miss it. 1:14:01.680 --> 1:14:04.200 You don't miss he does not miss never, he does 1:14:04.280 --> 1:14:04.679 not miss. 1:14:06.680 --> 1:14:12.240 He is by Brandy m. The genius of Warren Campbell. Yeah, 1:14:14.920 --> 1:14:16.760 I would just say, oh, Warren Campbell's song. That's what 1:14:16.840 --> 1:14:18.600 I should say, because why not. 1:14:20.840 --> 1:14:21.439 Because WARRENM. 1:14:25.600 --> 1:14:25.640 No. 1:14:26.120 --> 1:14:29.599 But what he did for Tyrese with Shamee was amazing. 1:14:30.800 --> 1:14:34.559 And when he tells about that, how old the song was, like, oh, 1:14:34.720 --> 1:14:35.719 let me just pull. 1:14:35.600 --> 1:14:40.120 This song out of the the song Tiki could have 1:14:40.240 --> 1:14:41.360 sang that song. 1:14:44.439 --> 1:14:47.519 That it was Are you teaky? 1:14:48.880 --> 1:14:50.559 Are you not the producer? 1:14:51.120 --> 1:14:57.519 That's that's how amazing from top to bottom that song. 1:14:59.280 --> 1:15:03.640 That's the song is not defined by a person. The 1:15:03.840 --> 1:15:09.280 song is a stand alone standard that by itself will 1:15:09.360 --> 1:15:10.479 stand the test the time. 1:15:10.600 --> 1:15:14.000 Absolutely absolutely, and I think that's why it did what 1:15:14.120 --> 1:15:18.080 it did. Yes, special what Okay. 1:15:17.920 --> 1:15:20.840 That's three that's salone that song. 1:15:21.880 --> 1:15:23.880 No, but listen, that's what makes a great song great. 1:15:23.920 --> 1:15:24.880 Anybody can sing. 1:15:29.000 --> 1:15:30.960 DJ Roer song. 1:15:31.120 --> 1:15:35.679 And Warren Campbell's song, and Tyree did an amazing job 1:15:35.960 --> 1:15:38.040 absolutely singing that song. 1:15:38.320 --> 1:15:38.880 Absolutely. 1:15:39.240 --> 1:15:40.720 But to me there are something. 1:15:45.160 --> 1:15:46.280 But to me, some. 1:15:46.680 --> 1:15:47.760 Songs are just. 1:15:49.439 --> 1:15:51.160 Like like I can't make you love me. 1:15:52.640 --> 1:15:55.839 Of course the originator is, but then you go to Prince, 1:15:55.960 --> 1:15:58.800 and then you go to voice to me, and then 1:15:59.040 --> 1:16:01.479 then you come away, and then then you go to 1:16:01.560 --> 1:16:04.080 everyone who's been on American Idol and it's like, but 1:16:04.200 --> 1:16:04.519 that's what. 1:16:04.760 --> 1:16:07.719 That's what makes a great song when everybody can singing 1:16:08.080 --> 1:16:10.559 and it's still yeah, you know what I'm saying. 1:16:10.880 --> 1:16:12.320 That's those ye competition songs. 1:16:12.320 --> 1:16:14.400 I start telling young fellas when they come sing and 1:16:14.400 --> 1:16:18.160 they want to sing live. Can you sing shame? How 1:16:18.200 --> 1:16:20.639 about that? Sing shamee? 1:16:20.720 --> 1:16:23.880 Can you get into your low? Can you get down? 1:16:24.280 --> 1:16:24.560 You know what? 1:16:24.600 --> 1:16:25.559 Three songs I'm talking about? 1:16:25.560 --> 1:16:25.720 Two? 1:16:25.840 --> 1:16:28.360 You keep singing these singing three songs and you sing 1:16:28.520 --> 1:16:28.800 for us? 1:16:29.160 --> 1:16:29.200 No? 1:16:29.280 --> 1:16:33.000 No, no, sing shame? How about that sing or single 1:16:33.080 --> 1:16:36.759 Luther song and executing Luthor? 1:16:37.479 --> 1:16:40.160 Okay, get out of your of your top top five songs. 1:16:40.320 --> 1:16:42.120 I know what you're doing. You're trying to think while you. 1:16:44.880 --> 1:16:45.600 Smart what you. 1:16:50.320 --> 1:16:50.400 Oh? 1:16:50.479 --> 1:16:55.160 It's okay, you more, okay, Okay. This is a young one. 1:16:56.080 --> 1:17:01.200 And I would have to say p J Morton, we 1:17:01.280 --> 1:17:05.960 love we love PJ. Don't we but Pj's gumbo record. 1:17:08.560 --> 1:17:10.280 First Begin mm hmm. 1:17:11.280 --> 1:17:14.320 First Begin is a great song, and I don't know 1:17:14.600 --> 1:17:17.800 where it charted or but first Begin it's such a 1:17:17.960 --> 1:17:21.680 great song lyrically, the way he sang it, I mean, 1:17:21.760 --> 1:17:25.760 his voice is already special, right, we know that. But yeah, 1:17:25.800 --> 1:17:29.519 that's my jam. It's definitely one of my playlists. Gospel, 1:17:29.600 --> 1:17:30.320 not my gospel. 1:17:30.439 --> 1:17:33.120 I got my love playlist in my mind, raunchy pray 1:17:33.200 --> 1:17:36.879 list play listen, it's Warren Campbell playlist. 1:17:39.120 --> 1:17:41.080 It's not as thanksified as I am. I'm savor in 1:17:41.160 --> 1:17:51.439 my baylist sometime. Oh what's that? I don't want to 1:17:51.479 --> 1:17:52.519 bore you with it, but I love you. 1:17:52.560 --> 1:17:52.880 I love you. 1:17:52.920 --> 1:17:53.240 I love you. 1:17:53.560 --> 1:17:56.000 That's not knocks me off my feet. Yeah, knocks me 1:17:56.040 --> 1:17:59.160 off my feet for sure, some of these songs. 1:18:01.600 --> 1:18:04.599 Okay, I love that. I'm just saying. 1:18:06.400 --> 1:18:07.439 I like I love that. 1:18:08.280 --> 1:18:11.040 I like down there, Jon, I like down there. 1:18:11.479 --> 1:18:11.679 Yes. 1:18:12.160 --> 1:18:12.360 Cool. 1:18:15.960 --> 1:18:19.160 When somebody says, Steve, you don't don't know, don't do that, 1:18:19.280 --> 1:18:21.280 don't throw that man that smoke like that, don't do that. 1:18:21.840 --> 1:18:25.799 Put that man in that fire. Fire a better. 1:18:27.680 --> 1:18:27.960 Okay. 1:18:30.520 --> 1:18:31.880 Oh yeah, we got one more segment for you. 1:18:32.320 --> 1:18:35.240 Okay, what's happening? 1:18:35.600 --> 1:18:37.720 Come on, I'm sick you. 1:18:38.880 --> 1:18:41.719 I ain't saying no names. I ain't saying no names. 1:18:42.120 --> 1:18:48.000 I ain't saying no names. Ain't saying no names. What 1:18:48.240 --> 1:18:51.040 you did your class crazy? 1:18:51.160 --> 1:18:56.639 That's what you said. 1:18:59.280 --> 1:19:09.599 He a special segment of the It's called saying names. Okay, 1:19:09.840 --> 1:19:11.000 will you tell us a story? 1:19:11.800 --> 1:19:12.120 Funny? 1:19:12.240 --> 1:19:13.400 Are m? 1:19:13.560 --> 1:19:14.639 H okay? 1:19:14.800 --> 1:19:17.120 Are funny and foolish. 1:19:18.840 --> 1:19:19.559 People that watch the. 1:19:19.520 --> 1:19:21.840 Show every week? I'll be saying some other stuff. 1:19:21.560 --> 1:19:31.599 When extremely extremely right, look at God. 1:19:32.960 --> 1:19:35.120 The only rue to the game is you can't say 1:19:35.200 --> 1:19:35.559 no names. 1:19:35.600 --> 1:19:35.880 Okay. 1:19:36.400 --> 1:19:42.519 So I'm singing background for an artist and it's an 1:19:42.520 --> 1:19:44.640 event worth a bunch of you know, R and B 1:19:44.720 --> 1:19:46.160 singers and. 1:19:47.800 --> 1:19:48.760 Not married at the time. 1:19:50.200 --> 1:19:53.360 And we get back to the hotel after the venu 1:19:53.560 --> 1:19:57.600 and I'm in the elevator about three R and B 1:19:57.760 --> 1:19:59.760 artists and it's just me. 1:20:00.280 --> 1:20:02.559 And they start going in with she. 1:20:02.720 --> 1:20:08.600 Fine man right there though, right there? Thank you man, she. 1:20:09.920 --> 1:20:15.200 Oh, thank you. And one gets off he was like, oh, 1:20:15.280 --> 1:20:18.400 I'm on this floor. I was like, okay. Then the 1:20:18.479 --> 1:20:22.360 next one, who do y'all think I am? 1:20:23.760 --> 1:20:26.880 It was just I just got three separate invitations, and 1:20:27.040 --> 1:20:30.040 I was like, yeah, I think too much of myself. 1:20:30.439 --> 1:20:32.400 Some of them I had, you know, listening to their 1:20:32.479 --> 1:20:34.120 music and had crushes on. I was like, yeah, I 1:20:34.160 --> 1:20:36.160 think too much of myself to be one of them chicks. 1:20:36.200 --> 1:20:40.320 But yeah, they were remain nameless, but wow, yeah it was. 1:20:40.720 --> 1:20:43.439 It was in the eleventor it warned, don't make no 1:20:43.560 --> 1:20:54.840 one sound in that corner those kind of situations. I'm 1:20:54.920 --> 1:20:57.599 just a different kind of ship. I value myself too 1:20:57.680 --> 1:21:00.720 much in my reputation. So like, yeah, I'm gonna see 1:21:00.720 --> 1:21:02.559 you somewhere else and be trying to sing about Jesus 1:21:02.560 --> 1:21:03.519 and you're gonna be going. 1:21:07.280 --> 1:21:07.839 It alone. 1:21:15.840 --> 1:21:18.960 Yeah, what can I say? You just you're just dope. 1:21:19.560 --> 1:21:19.920 Thank you? 1:21:20.160 --> 1:21:24.800 You just there are so many heavenly words and descriptions 1:21:24.840 --> 1:21:28.560 to go along with it. But in the in, in 1:21:29.160 --> 1:21:32.360 in the in the interests of trying to encompass it 1:21:32.479 --> 1:21:35.040 all in a way that we would say it, you 1:21:35.200 --> 1:21:39.360 just don't thank you. I just you fired every every 1:21:39.400 --> 1:21:41.360 time every time I see you, and and and even 1:21:41.400 --> 1:21:43.439 the husband, I'll give him some some you know, it's 1:21:43.520 --> 1:21:48.920 it's it's about you though. It's just it's like some people, 1:21:49.000 --> 1:21:52.600 it's like it's just always good to see you. You 1:21:52.680 --> 1:21:57.040 know what I'm saying, like it's energy, Like, uh, you know. 1:21:58.640 --> 1:22:05.480 It's that because you avoid unfortunately been many backstages. 1:22:05.640 --> 1:22:09.760 You'll be like and it's like you you you know, 1:22:10.479 --> 1:22:13.280 you know, you're you're amongst family, you know what I mean, 1:22:13.479 --> 1:22:16.400 you're amongst people that you know, hey, if it go down, 1:22:16.439 --> 1:22:17.640 I know, so I guess some people in here that 1:22:17.680 --> 1:22:18.200 got in my back. 1:22:18.720 --> 1:22:20.560 Yeah, but you know, I just don't ever want to 1:22:20.600 --> 1:22:24.160 be the gospel artist, the Jesus girl, the church girl, 1:22:24.240 --> 1:22:26.439 to be like, yeah, she ain't really about that, sheep, 1:22:26.760 --> 1:22:27.639 that's just the stage. 1:22:28.000 --> 1:22:29.000 It's a whole different way. 1:22:29.439 --> 1:22:31.439 I don't think. Yeah, I don't. That's not even possible. 1:22:32.200 --> 1:22:37.719 You know, you're your your life precedes you in terms 1:22:37.800 --> 1:22:40.479 of like you know, they say in the street, ain't 1:22:40.479 --> 1:22:41.479 no smull on your name. 1:22:42.800 --> 1:22:43.439 I ain't perfect. 1:22:43.479 --> 1:22:44.120 No I don't. 1:22:44.280 --> 1:22:46.160 Nobody let me tell you you ain't. 1:22:47.240 --> 1:22:50.679 But there's a difference. There's a difference. There's a difference 1:22:50.720 --> 1:22:53.400 in us not being perfect and it's being human and 1:22:54.760 --> 1:22:58.400 and just being and being something else. No, I can't 1:22:58.479 --> 1:22:59.840 do that, you see what I'm saying. 1:23:00.120 --> 1:23:02.120 I can't do that. So the way my family is 1:23:02.120 --> 1:23:04.840 set up, they can see here smell one thing if 1:23:04.880 --> 1:23:05.880 you lost your what. 1:23:06.040 --> 1:23:11.719 Is like some of us still have that accountability system 1:23:11.800 --> 1:23:14.439 set up strong. My mama will call me and say, 1:23:14.520 --> 1:23:15.360 is that what we're doing? 1:23:16.479 --> 1:23:16.639 Right? 1:23:16.800 --> 1:23:17.800 My mom? Be the first time. 1:23:17.840 --> 1:23:18.559 I don't like that one. 1:23:20.240 --> 1:23:20.800 I don't like that. 1:23:21.200 --> 1:23:24.840 Gonna get you about dabling. I don't like that, Dorel. 1:23:25.040 --> 1:23:25.479 You have to do. 1:23:25.640 --> 1:23:27.719 You got to do what she said. You said, yo, who. 1:23:29.400 --> 1:23:31.920 No if my my younger cousins probably called mee tank 1:23:31.960 --> 1:23:34.559 put my mama, that's all. 1:23:34.520 --> 1:23:35.920 Right, you'll be back, You be back. 1:23:36.080 --> 1:23:38.559 Don't he gonna see you? Come on, you're gonna stop 1:23:38.560 --> 1:23:39.160 playing with him. 1:23:39.360 --> 1:23:41.560 Come on, you're gonna give him a complete Yet he 1:23:41.640 --> 1:23:45.639 out here with me and then comes showing up here. 1:23:45.840 --> 1:23:48.799 Absolutely you know I'm I'm on a mission. 1:23:49.080 --> 1:23:50.840 So then maybe you can't be the youth pastor. We'll 1:23:50.880 --> 1:23:51.400 talk to Warren. 1:23:56.439 --> 1:23:58.880 But and we we we we appreciate more than anything 1:23:58.960 --> 1:24:02.360 you're coming our way, hanging out with us and praying 1:24:02.439 --> 1:24:06.880 forst more important. Thank you. That's great, and I look 1:24:07.040 --> 1:24:11.400 I look forward. I look forward to to your acting journey. 1:24:12.200 --> 1:24:15.600 I look forward to that. I think that's gonna be really. 1:24:16.040 --> 1:24:18.760 Really really angela Baptist And. 1:24:25.120 --> 1:24:25.719 That was good. 1:24:27.600 --> 1:24:29.960 I got and I got it's crazy. I got something 1:24:30.040 --> 1:24:31.160 I'm working on right now. 1:24:32.760 --> 1:24:37.680 Yes, yeah, we just talked about it last working on. 1:24:39.600 --> 1:24:41.160 Right there. 1:24:41.200 --> 1:24:41.439 It is. 1:24:42.920 --> 1:24:43.799 Ladies and Gentleman. 1:24:43.880 --> 1:24:46.720 My name is Tank and this is the R and 1:24:46.800 --> 1:24:51.640 B Money Podcast, the authority on all things I need it, 1:24:52.040 --> 1:24:52.519 ARM and B. 1:24:54.560 --> 1:24:58.800 Yeah, this has been a blessing that that's too long. 1:25:00.160 --> 1:25:01.000 Where's your balance? 1:25:01.160 --> 1:25:07.799 This has been a blessing from on high. They awesome, 1:25:07.880 --> 1:25:10.120 the amazing, the beautiful Erica. 1:25:19.080 --> 1:25:20.840 R and B Money is a production of the Black 1:25:20.880 --> 1:25:25.640 Effect podcast Network. 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