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Speaker 1: Wine Down with Janna Kramer and I Heart Radio Podcast.

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Speaker 1: How excited are you, Mike to have another dude in

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Speaker 1: the studio. I'm so excited. There's usually way too much

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Speaker 1: estrogen going on in here. Do you need it? So

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Speaker 1: I got Mark and Easton. Wow. I know. But usually usually,

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Speaker 1: you know, we're interviewing, you know, women, and then we're

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Speaker 1: talking about our menstrual cycle, and then we're talking about

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Speaker 1: yeah and all these things. And now we actually have

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Speaker 1: a male guest here for you today. No, we're just

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Speaker 1: we're excited to have him in. Ladies and Gentlemen. Mr

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Speaker 1: Eric Winter, Hello, Hello, Hi. Some big topics you guys

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Speaker 1: talk about? Well, we talk about everything. Michael and I

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Speaker 1: usually start the show with like our fight of the week.

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Speaker 1: You know how long I've been married for this next

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Speaker 1: month is ten years? Ten years? So sancheum, where'd you

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Speaker 1: guys meet up? She hates when I tell the story.

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Speaker 1: We met at an event that was at a club. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so it's still a club. I don't remember. I don't

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Speaker 1: know the name of it. Spider or I was around.

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Speaker 1: It was like when I used to club it was

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Speaker 1: a concord those ones. Yeah, back in at a Pioneer

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Speaker 1: Speakers event that was at a club, and uh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just I hit on her. She was in a relationship,

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Speaker 1: so it didn't go very well great, And then we

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Speaker 1: didn't talk again for a bunch, like a bunch of months,

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Speaker 1: and I stayed friends with a friend of hers that

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Speaker 1: was there and we sort of reconnected down the road.

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Speaker 1: And then so did you reach out again to her? Never?

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Speaker 1: Was it? So then she reached out as part. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: she says she had reasons because her friend was going

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Speaker 1: But I never reached out to her. She called years.

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Speaker 1: I think every girl has done that, like if a

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Speaker 1: guy like hits on her and then when they break up,

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Speaker 1: you try to downplay our situation every time. Too well,

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Speaker 1: you you actively went for me. Wait, remind us of

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Speaker 1: the story because Eric doesn't know we met. Classic web story.

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Speaker 1: We met on Twitter. He was stalking me on Twitter

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Speaker 1: and kept like favorite ing things on Twitter and three

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Speaker 1: things and I was having a thirties meal. I was

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Speaker 1: it was drinking wine and having macarony and cheese one

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Speaker 1: lonely single night, and uh, I was like, who's guy

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Speaker 1: favoriting my stuff? And look and I was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: he's got a blue checkmark two. And I was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: he's a football player. He's so cute. I followed him

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Speaker 1: back and then with like in a second, he's like, Hi,

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Speaker 1: thanks for the follow No no no no no no

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Speaker 1: in a second, strategical strategically waited you know, a good

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Speaker 1: amount of time. It was probably thirty minutes. At fifteen minutes,

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Speaker 1: I was I was still eating my macaroni and cheese.

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Speaker 1: You're a slow reader, yea. How is it with you know,

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Speaker 1: because she's she's Mexican, Puerto Rican? Puerto Rican? Okay, I mean,

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Speaker 1: is does that come into the relationship with the feistiness?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, I had one thousand percent. But is

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Speaker 1: it like too much at time? No? I love it.

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Speaker 1: Do you not, like you snap your fingers back and

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Speaker 1: go on Puerto Ricans? Yeah, I get back into the

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Speaker 1: Latin flavor. You know, I grew up in up one thing.

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Speaker 1: We're here in Los Angeles, but I always dated. I

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Speaker 1: That people always say I'm a frustrated Latino. So like,

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Speaker 1: I totally abide with with Latin culture and I love

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Speaker 1: the spiciness and the flavor that they bring, you know,

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Speaker 1: into relation and everything. Really she's she's like that with everything.

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Speaker 1: Um so I can roll with it pretty well. And

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Speaker 1: you have two kids. Two kids. You have a six

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Speaker 1: year old almost seven in January, little girl, and then

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Speaker 1: I have a we've an you born a boy eleven months.

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Speaker 1: We'll not really a new born anymore, almost a year.

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Speaker 1: I'm really happy you guys talked about your struggle because

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Speaker 1: it's hard. It's very hard. And what I love about

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Speaker 1: the fact that you also gave the shots because Michael did,

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Speaker 1: But it's just the second. So we have a three

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Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting that even the UT when we

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Speaker 1: and we found out the same day that jan was pregnant. Okay,

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Speaker 1: You know, we I would voice things just like you're saying.

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Speaker 1: all the things that you're doing. But I just I'm

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455
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Speaker 1: What played? What played? Sir? I like it? All right, Eric,

456
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 1: So you're on rookie. I'm on the rookie. You just

457
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 1: had a huge premiere with the rookie. Yes, how stoked

458
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:17,119
Speaker 1: were you to get that? That that role? Well, I

459
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,360
Speaker 1: will say this was a role I had to really

460
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 1: fight for. And and it's it's interesting because my last

461
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 1: pilot before. This was the same group of people, same director.

462
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 1: It was Mark Gordon's same everybody. You have toally felt

463
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 1: pretty good them walking in for your test. I had

464
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,920
Speaker 1: to go through the whole thing, and it was brutal

465
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 1: because I I was meeting with um that casting office

466
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 1: I know really well, and I was like, oh my god, shoots,

467
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 1: l I know the whole group, where's my offer? This

468
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 1: is perfect for me. And they're like, Nope, you're too

469
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,119
Speaker 1: nice of a guy. You're not this guy. And I

470
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,400
Speaker 1: was like, it's acting. I have you want to see

471
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 1: my reel like I just did the good doctor I got.

472
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:51,199
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, they don't know you at all. You're an

473
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,360
Speaker 1: absolute ass that's gonna sugar with everybody who had him

474
00:23:54,359 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 1: for far too long. So I was told, oh, look

475
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:09,120
Speaker 1: it what a sign. That's a that's a really good sign.

476
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 1: Sure fire hit. So they told me I had to go,

477
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 1: and they didn't believe I could be this much of

478
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 1: a jerk, and I took it so personally and I

479
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: was so I was just oh my god. I went

480
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 1: in had probably the best read of my career maybe,

481
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 1: like it was like where the whole environment changed in

482
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 1: the room and all the air went away, and it

483
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 1: was just this crazy intense moment to get emotional in

484
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,400
Speaker 1: the second scene and I was like tears and all

485
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,680
Speaker 1: this stuff, and I was cursing at one of the producers,

486
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 1: like what do you what do you want from me?

487
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:44,439
Speaker 1: I got that? There you go. I was just an

488
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,360
Speaker 1: asked the entire thing, the entire time in the room.

489
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 1: I knew everybody in the room, didn't had anybody. I

490
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 1: walked out and they all freaked out and came running

491
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,399
Speaker 1: out after me. I was like, Eric, are you okay.

492
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm fine, it's acting. You're welcome, and

493
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 1: it was so it was just like one of the

494
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 1: best moments I've ever had in the business outside of

495
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: Evil Laughlin test. That was the other one. That was

496
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: my two favorite moments in the business. Um and then

497
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 1: I still have to go through They wouldn't give it

498
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: to me off a tape because Nathan still had to

499
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 1: approve me, so I still have to go test for

500
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,640
Speaker 1: Nathan to see me. Thankfully, I kept, you know, doing

501
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: my thing every step of the way, and when I

502
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,919
Speaker 1: finally got it, it was was the best feeling ever.

503
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 1: So this job, this role is a very you know,

504
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,160
Speaker 1: personal I've been like you have done three ride along?

505
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,919
Speaker 1: Was there anything crazy that happened during ride along? We had?

506
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,959
Speaker 1: I had want Both times before that, I was in Rampart,

507
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 1: which is very tough division, and nothing really went down.

508
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: And then this one um ride along, I was with

509
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 1: Liz Freelander, the director, and we had a moment where

510
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: with the guy there was like this big corporate party

511
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 1: gang night. This night, like this gang celebrates their gang

512
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 1: on this night and they usually party it up early

513
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 1: and then they head into Hollywood and then they tear

514
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 1: a polly when they come back and cause problems. So

515
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: it was kind of a slow night and and the

516
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 1: gang units off and the guy riding with us, the

517
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 1: sergeant says, hey, I want to take you down the street.

518
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: This is a big gang streets you can see what's

519
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 1: going on. And we happen to go down and the

520
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 1: cars are you know, park normal, and then I get

521
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,919
Speaker 1: a little further double parts and then we start going

522
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: this is weird, and we end up coming on one

523
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: of the you know houses they know as a gang house,

524
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 1: and there was probably a hundred gang members standing in

525
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 1: the street with drinks in the house. Out of the house,

526
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: sergeant rolls down his window and the size the flex

527
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 1: in the moment and I'm in the back seat not

528
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,919
Speaker 1: bulletproof doors. The directors in the front seat, she has

529
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 1: a bulletproof door. Backs aren't just so you know. And

530
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 1: he goes, hey, what's up with all you guys double parked?

531
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 1: And I'm like, who cares? Right, And he's like, I

532
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 1: need you all moving to cars. I'm coming back in

533
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes with my boys. And you see all these

534
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 1: gang members posture, because it's a whole posture, right, you know,

535
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 1: hands start going towards just the all start posture, and

536
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 1: the air means one of those moments again where the

537
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 1: air comes out of the car and you just feel still.

538
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: And I saw this is really bad, Like at any

539
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 1: moment if they decide some one decides to earn a

540
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 1: stripe and be a hot shot. It's one cop and

541
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 1: two civilians, and then we go to turn to leave

542
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: and another car of gang members comes up and we

543
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: get blocked. So now we can't even move. So it's

544
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: a magic of who's gonna let who house? And the

545
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: cop pulls his gun and has it low against the

546
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: door at the window, just in case. So when we

547
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: see that also he's not comfortable in the situation, and

548
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: I'm dying, going a bullets start flying, I'm dead, I

549
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 1: end up back and now I can't play it. You

550
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: don't know what I would do in this audition, this

551
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: is my emmy. It was crazy, and so little by

552
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 1: little they inched away. They let us pull out, and

553
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: within five minutes, this guy's on the phone immediately on

554
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 1: the radio on his cell phone, calling every division. Within

555
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: five minutes, there's like thirty cops at a church's chicken

556
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 1: at eleven o'clock at night, and they all start getting

557
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: stuff out, saying how we're gonna go infiltrate the gang

558
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: house and make them all go home. And so the

559
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 1: director and I are like, should we be doing this

560
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 1: right now? But then part of us we're like, yeah,

561
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 1: got a selfie really quick, and you start planning the

562
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: whole thing. And it goes on, and then the airship

563
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: flies over and these dudes left. They all move their cars,

564
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,199
Speaker 1: so we never got to go bust the gang. They

565
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: went home and they went to Hollywood problems that they do.

566
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: That's very nice. So that they moved so they listened

567
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: to the gang. That's fascinating. It was a moment where

568
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 1: I was like, this is bad. The paper were involved

569
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 1: with that, with liability and everything, because nothing ended up happening,

570
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: like if something would have happened or even to do

571
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: the ride along. You know, I can't see if something

572
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: like that goes sideways. You wanted to be a cop,

573
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: you still that's one of those things like if you

574
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: look back in your life, like what would you want

575
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: to be, Like, that's one thing, law enforcement of some

576
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: kind ultimately FBI, but that's something I've always been paying. Yeah,

577
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: when he retired from football, He's like, I think I'm

578
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: gonna you had you were going to go to act

579
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: like an orientation. You went, you went to the oriented

580
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 1: That's right, Yeah, But then I told you and I

581
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: basically wanted to be on like the what they call

582
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: it there, basically the squad that kind of like anything

583
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: goes and I don't remember what they called it in Tennessee,

584
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: but James, like, you know, I was like, you know,

585
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: I said, if you really passionate about that, but that

586
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: would that would be like we're trying to have a kid.

587
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: I can't do that, all right? That was my I

588
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: text rose after that incident happened, I text her from

589
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: the card, like you won't believe what she's like, You're

590
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: an idiot, You're an actor playing a copy. Do you

591
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: ever come home in your uniform? No, I thought about

592
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: I might have to do it this year for Halloween,

593
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: Like if I'm pen I was like, I'm just gonna

594
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: roll straight from work. Vest Belt. Can just tell us

595
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: about your character because I'm pumped to watch. I told you,

596
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: you know, I don't watch honestly many network TV shows.

597
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: And then I saw I remember, I was like, yeah,

598
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: besides that, we know that it aired October sixteenth, that

599
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: we've been traveling in the past two weeks. So it's

600
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: it's it's d v rd on that we're so ready

601
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: to watch it because he has been really to watch it.

602
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: But know what, like what what tell us more about

603
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: your character? So preface this was saying the show is

604
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: sort of like a Gray's Anatomy meets Hill Street Blues.

605
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: It's very it's a very character driven show, as our

606
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: creator says, that sort of masquerades as a cop show.

607
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: So it's not just about the cases. It's really it

608
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: is really a character piece of all of us and

609
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,479
Speaker 1: how we interact um on duty, off duty, how our

610
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: personal lives, you know, bleed into being a cop and

611
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: how it affects your personal life, so to speak. So

612
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: in that I am this very militant like tough um

613
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: much of an ass training officer, a P three that

614
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: is in my rookies face at all times, or anybody

615
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: that is sort of on the department. And my whole

616
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: way of being is, if you know, if you want

617
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: to be a cop, and this is really what you

618
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 1: want to be, if I can make you crack, if

619
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: I can break you, you'll never be able to handle

620
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: the street. And a lot of training officers do handle

621
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: it that way and then the right along as I've

622
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: done in the interviews I've I've done with these people

623
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: and talk to them. Everybody does it differently, but it's

624
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: like that tough like I had tough coaches growing up

625
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: that I hate did, but they always made me better.

626
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: And I had the ones that would give you the

627
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: you know, the pad on the butt of the compliment

628
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: here and there. I'm the guy that's never gonna give

629
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: you the pat I'm never going to tell you did

630
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: a good job. You're just gonna either know it by

631
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: looking in my eyes or you're not. And he's that

632
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: guy that makes you earn every second of it. And

633
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: part of the reason that comes out in the pilot

634
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: is my backstory, and you see, I have a have

635
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: a wife that um how much I can say, but

636
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: a wife that is struggling with addiction, and you you

637
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: meet her in the pilot and she comes back for

638
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: more episodes, and it shows you sort of why the

639
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: she's the one person that gets to me and breaks

640
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: me at all moments and sort of what what sets

641
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: the show apart then the other cop shows out there.

642
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: I think a big part of it. You're gonna fall

643
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: in love with the characters, you know, versus if you

644
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: were to watch any other procedure where it's about the

645
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: case keets you going. Another cool thing is because we're

646
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: a show that's on patrol, you get cases, but you

647
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: get case after case after case, like you get a

648
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: lot of cool cases happening all the time, versus if

649
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: it was an FBI show and it's one case for

650
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: the whole episode, So you get that action that fun.

651
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: We also have a lot of with Nathan. He's such

652
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: a charming guy. There's a lot of natural humor built

653
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: into the show and a lot of heart so I

654
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: think people are gonna fall in love with the characters, hopefully,

655
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: whether you love him or you hate him, and that's

656
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: gonna make you want to come back. And plus you

657
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: get all this great you know, cop adrenaline. Well, thank

658
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: you Eric so much for coming in. You guys can

659
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: watch The Rookie ABC's ten nine Central. Thank you so

660
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: much for sharing all about your life. Thank you, thank

661
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: you for having than appreciate. I love Eric. Oh, I

662
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: can say it for everybody. He's definitely my new bromance.

663
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: I feel bad that I said that he didn't wear

664
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: the pants though. That's but that's you, like, you don't

665
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: really come across politically correcting those kind of situations, like

666
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: you basically want to say, Oh, so you're like the

667
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: little bee in the family. She's so very right, but

668
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: Rosalind has such a big personality. Yeah, that's why I

669
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: was like, of course, you know, he just does whatever

670
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: she says. Why of course. But you know what's funny,

671
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: Jane and I were talking about kind of the you know,

672
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: the relationship coming into it and like what she just

673
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: through you know, word of mouth or whatever. And I

674
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: told her kind of like we said, we recapped with

675
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: him earlier, and I was basically saying, well, yeah, maybe

676
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: that's it, but also what if he's just a type

677
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: A also that's very confident in his skin and were

678
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: so right? I was so right. Yeah, there can be

679
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: two type hit it. Yeah, he didn't turn it up.

680
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: I mean that is that is a fiery household that

681
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: I'd love to just I would love to be on

682
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: the wall. That's so much I feel like him and

683
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: I had a lot of comment and how we probably

684
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: handle our type A fiery women that I'm gonna I'm

685
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: gonna disagree with you on that. I don't feel like

686
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: I'm as fiery as I was. No, because tamed the

687
00:33:55,600 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: fire the beast, you know, it's into the fire. Is therapy,

688
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: and I want to talk to you guys about talk

689
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: Space because I think it is so cool. So today's

690
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Speaker 1: show is sponsored by talk Space. It's the online therapy

691
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692
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Speaker 1: at any time. So there's been so many times when

693
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: I haven't been able to get in, you know, with

694
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 1: my therapist, or honestly, I didn't have the money to

695
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: pay for a full session, and I've just I've had

696
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: this question or I needed help or I anxiety around something, Well,

697
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Speaker 1: you can do that from anywhere. All you need is

698
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699
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700
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701
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702
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711
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Speaker 1: And you know who I know who would really, really

712
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: really love that app app is our amazing friend that

713
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: is in studio, Mr Nick What yeah, guys and Catherine,

714
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 1: Well I'm gonna say, and you know who also is

715
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: here is his wife Catherine. So Katherine and Nick are

716
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: our besties. And how do I say this because I

717
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 1: Katherine's just like mean me right now? Um, I I

718
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 1: love their dynamic. And let me tell you why Nick

719
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 1: loves therapy. That's okay, that is Katherine's husband. A husband

720
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: loves therapy and Katherine does not love therapy, so the

721
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: wife and I just think that's such a fascinating dynamic. Again,

722
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: that's just a stereotype essentially. But yes, naturally, as you

723
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: know people are in life, that's kind of how it is.

724
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: Is usually the male stereotypically not as in touch with emotions.

725
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,479
Speaker 1: I want to talk about feelings, and usually the woman

726
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 1: is Can I just ask Katherine, how like, what is

727
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: Nick asking you to go to therapy and you just

728
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: don't want to go? Or is it just more because

729
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 1: I know you connect more with Mike about the whole,

730
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: you're just not as emotional. Yeah, I'm just not as

731
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: an emotional person. He I mean, I go to therapy

732
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: with him, I just don't love it like he does. Um,

733
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: he's just a lot more emotional. It's just the girl

734
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: and I'm the guy. I mean, how does that feel

735
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: in this aspect? In this aspect, I'm criticizing myself though too.

736
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: I'm not just saying it's time for me to have

737
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: the mike. I mean, go ahead and defend yourself. Um. No,

738
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: I'm naturally wired that way. Um. A little more emotional,

739
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: but I think I just like to talk, and so

740
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 1: sitting down with somebody and getting things off your chest

741
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: is just it's therapy. Um. What do you think your

742
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: biggest challenge is though not being able to you know,

743
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 1: with Katherine kind of not being as excited to go. Um,

744
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 1: it's not a lot of challenge as far as getting

745
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: her to go or opening up or anything like that.

746
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 1: Once once we get there, it's great. It serves its purpose. Um.

747
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: I was just told early early in our relationship that

748
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 1: good times, bad times, no matter what, go, Um, don't

749
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: wait till you have an issue to deal with to go.

750
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: Just keep that line of communication going at all times.

751
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: And that's that's a good way to do it. What

752
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,919
Speaker 1: do you contribute, you know, your feelings about just wanting

753
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: to talk things out and and be so communicative. Because again,

754
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: just through all the therapy Gena and I have done,

755
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: you know, family of origin is a big part of

756
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 1: those things, and my family certain things weren't talked about,

757
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,720
Speaker 1: not just my biological parents, but my aunt's uncle's grandparents

758
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. Is that something in your family

759
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 1: that was always instilled, like you guys talk things out. Ah,

760
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 1: yeah we did. UM. I grew up in a very

761
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:17,280
Speaker 1: tight knit family that UM, as we've kind of learned

762
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: going to therapy for for years now, UM, that we

763
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: pick up things that we were raised with. And there

764
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 1: were a lot of things that I didn't realize growing

765
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: up that have molded me who I am today. But

766
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 1: I had such a great childhood that UM always kind

767
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: of went into it and and everybody get upset with

768
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: me because I was like, no, my childhood is great,

769
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: nothing went wrong. I told me, love me, Mom was there,

770
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 1: they were at every game. You know, it's perfect. But

771
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: as you dive into it deeper, you realize that that

772
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,479
Speaker 1: kind of created some things that you deal with every

773
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: day that maybe I hit or masked or or what

774
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: because I felt like everything was so good. What do

775
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: you guys thinking this? Are both you guys again? For

776
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: Jenna and I we have like more anxiety around being

777
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: parents because of all the therapy that we've done, knowing

778
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: like you just said, Nick, how your family of origin

779
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 1: really structures you. What are you guys doing? Are you

780
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,959
Speaker 1: conscious about that? About that when you're raising your three kids.

781
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 1: I think it's terrifying. It is, it's absolutely because it

782
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 1: was very obvious when we started therapy, like, let's go

783
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 1: to therapy to figure out how to fix Catherine. Like

784
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: I had the very exact really what you thought, Well, yeah,

785
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: I mean I had the very obvious family issues, very

786
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: like your mom. Me and my mom didn't have a

787
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 1: good relationship, she had a drug problem, you know, all

788
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: of those things. We are not emotional, we don't talk

789
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 1: about a lot of things. So I felt that way too.

790
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: It's like, all right, let's go, let's figure out how

791
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 1: to fix me, you know. But then he realized that

792
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: like he thought his was perfect, but it wasn't. And

793
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: that came into play a lot too. But the problem

794
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: was is I can deal with conflict and move on.

795
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: He sees conflict and he's like, oh god, it's over

796
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: breaks out. So I was like when we were dating, um,

797
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: when we had our first fight, I was like, oh man,

798
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: I really thought this relationship was gonna work. But that's

799
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: what probably the perfect family, that's what that was. That

800
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: one of the things that maybe hurt your image was

801
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: it wasn't perfect. So and I don't know. If you

802
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: know my parents, I just I didn't see it. Um,

803
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: you know, what was their conflict and stuff? Sure, of

804
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,720
Speaker 1: course there there wasn't every relationship, but as a child,

805
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: I never saw it, So I guess deep down I

806
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: never learned how to really deal with it. So in

807
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: you know, high school, college, all my relationships never was

808
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: there much conflict, Maybe because I dated girls that didn't

809
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: have those strong personalities and then I married one that

810
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: has a very strong personality. So but to answer your question, Mike,

811
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: I was thinking about that. It is. It is very

812
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 1: scary when you think about how that all comes into

813
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: play for kids. So like my oldest son, Kayden, who's nine,

814
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 1: is already not very touchy feeling like me. So I

815
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: go to therapy and we talk about it, and it

816
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: scares me. You know, I'm kind of like, oh, no,

817
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: how do I deal with this now? I already recognize

818
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: that he's more like me, And is this something I

819
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: need to deal with now? Is this? Like I don't

820
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: know the answer. We haven't even really talked to him

821
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: about it yet, honestly, um, but we need to. But yeah,

822
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: when I'm in therapy all the time, I will be

823
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: in tears and they're like, what are you crying about.

824
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm just thinking about my kids. I think

825
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: about my kids and I cry because it's like you do.

826
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,280
Speaker 1: You're the best you can as parents. And again through therapy,

827
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: you understand that, like you don't know, one blames their

828
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: parents necessarily for maybe character defect of flaws that you

829
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: might have now as an adult, but you understand that

830
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: they do the best that they can. We do the

831
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: best that we can. There's something going to happen, something's

832
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,760
Speaker 1: gonna happen with our children that we have no control

833
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: over based off circumstances in life. That we're trying to

834
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: do our best, but we can't control every aspect absolutely.

835
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: Are you trying to maybe be more touchy feely that way?

836
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: They they'll see that more with like Nick, yeah, because

837
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: because you're so emotionally connected to your kids, but just

838
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: not as much right And and I can say you

839
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 1: don't love Nick obviously, you know you guys have been

840
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: together for a long time, but it's just you know you.

841
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: That's again where you are like Mike in that aspect

842
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: work intimacy, it's just not oh yeah, for sure. And

843
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: it's funny the other day, Ramsey or two and a

844
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: half year old, like in the mornings, you know, we

845
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: do kiss and I give her a kiss because Nick

846
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: usually takes her to school, and now every morning pretty

847
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: much she'll go, mommy, daddy kiss and so she always

848
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,479
Speaker 1: so she's recognizing it. I don't know as much about

849
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 1: the older out and kiss. Kadam was the first. If

850
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 1: maybe we weren't as conscious then and he's not, or

851
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: if that's just him and he's a boy and he's nine,

852
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: I don't know, because Emmy is pretty my six year old,

853
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: she's pretty affectionate. Affectionate when he was younger, um, yeah, more,

854
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 1: but he was always just kind of a boy and

855
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: like wild, you know, just kind of like didn't want

856
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: to sit still, ill, didn't want you know. So yes,

857
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: more than he is now. But he is emotional, so

858
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: it's not like, you know, he's not a kid that

859
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: doesn't He does keep his emotions on his sleeve. So

860
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: he's not that stereotypical boy that you know doesn't have

861
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: emotions or gets upset like he's sunsetive. He's very sensitive.

862
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: Hold again, he's six, he's sex Okay, So do you

863
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: notice the change because of the divorce. He I always

864
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: explained him as a rubber band he is. He is

865
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: a go with the flow kind of kid. He always

866
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: has been, and he just was born with the super

867
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: happy disposition where he was laughs and hugs and kisses.

868
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 1: He's super loving. He's very sensitive, though varying. His feelings

869
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: get hurt really easy. But the divorce hasn't really affected him.

870
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: He's asked a couple of times, why do you know?

871
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: Why do why do you guys live in different homes?

872
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: And I explained to him he is such a broad

873
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: group of friends who have different experiences. Some of his

874
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: friends just have a dad, some of his friends just

875
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: have a mom, some of his friends have two dads. Um,

876
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 1: So you know, I've just been it's been really helpful

877
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: to explain to him that everyone's experience is so different

878
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: and he's really lucky to have a mommy and a

879
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: daddy that he gets to spend time with and he

880
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: enjoys that. He loves it. So he's doing really well.

881
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: Thank you for asking, um, But I think, yeah, come

882
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 1: be But they start to close up a little bit.

883
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: They just do their boys, And I think that's a

884
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: good point, Jen. I think some of it is just

885
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 1: biological for years and years and years of these stereotypes

886
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: holding true, that it's like out of our control that

887
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 1: a person, that kid's going to be who they are

888
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: to an extent, Yeah, parents can help mold who they become,

889
00:44:56,640 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 1: but some vases out of our hands. Right, absolutely, So,

890
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,879
Speaker 1: Nick and Cat, do you believe in therapy so much

891
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: that at some point you will include the kids or

892
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: have them good with therapist? That's a good question. Yes,

893
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: And when we when I say I don't love therapy,

894
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: I actually do like therapy on my own. I have

895
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 1: learned to love that. I don't love couples therapy. Yeah,

896
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: I do think. I do think that I would probably

897
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: take my kids to therapy. That's but at what age?

898
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:33,760
Speaker 1: It's like, So that's the thing that kind of worries

899
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 1: me too, is too much therapy at a young age bad? Too? Like?

900
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: Is that? I think? That's that's tough. I think that's all.

901
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 1: You gauge it on how your child is. But also

902
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: you don't want to give them a complex thinking that

903
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: they have to go to talk to somebody because they

904
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: have an issue quote unquote, right, that you don't want

905
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: to encourage that. It's more about if you see certain

906
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 1: signs maybe and you're just like, hey, mommy and daddy

907
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: both go to talk to a person, talk about feelings.

908
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:58,879
Speaker 1: If you don't feel comfortable talking to mom and dad,

909
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: give them another outlet if they don't come, if they're

910
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:06,399
Speaker 1: not communicating to us, especially at the tween and teen stage. Yes,

911
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: especially because that it's yeah, great point too, because they're

912
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,959
Speaker 1: too cool to talk to mom and dad exactly. Yeah,

913
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: absolutely well, And I was going to say too with

914
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,959
Speaker 1: with Kayden, he doesn't have a hard time talking about things,

915
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: and he is very sensitive, like Nick said, and he's

916
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: very sweet to his little sister, like he's still very like,

917
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,800
Speaker 1: very huggy with her, and you know all that stuff.

918
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: So I don't think it's necessarily an issue that we

919
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,879
Speaker 1: have to like, but it is very interesting to see

920
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: how your personality and how you are moves on to

921
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 1: the next general. But because you guys are doing therapy, Kathyn,

922
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: you guys are aware of that that. Okay, hey, I

923
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: notice what's in myself and I'm not that intimate touch

924
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: of feely. Let me just keep an eye on this

925
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: with Katan. Let me observe it, so at least you

926
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 1: guys can know so if it, if it manifest into

927
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: something else, you can be on top of it. And

928
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 1: I actually told Nick the other day, I said, hey,

929
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 1: I want you to be aware of this, and especially

930
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: being dad to son. Even though he is more you know,

931
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,720
Speaker 1: he is more touchy feeling, he's not necessarily with cadence.

932
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 1: It's like, let's be aware and make sure you're all

933
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 1: being kind of sensitive to that next question, how do

934
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 1: you deal with because this is something that I have

935
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: to deal with with Mike not having your meat needs

936
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: met more on on a more regular basis, where you

937
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 1: you do want more of the touch, you do want

938
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: more of the emotion, and having to kind of be like, Okay,

939
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: this is who this person is and they're either a

940
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,320
Speaker 1: trying or this is just how it's going to do

941
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: you set your expectations at a certain level or I mean,

942
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: again not saying that you are Katherine or Mike have

943
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: because again I have stuff my our issues too. Yeah,

944
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,760
Speaker 1: so I don't. I don't look at the issues anymore.

945
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: It's just two different people in different perspective, different just

946
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: but it's when something we need that so much, like

947
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: that's such a part of us that like we need

948
00:47:55,600 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: that connection and love and mainly I guess there's two

949
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: avenues that that really worked for me. One is is kids, Um,

950
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 1: you know, getting some of that touch from from your children, UM,

951
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: just having a close relationship with them, UM, cuddling with them,

952
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: talking to them, that type stuff. And second is you

953
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: know I made a commitment no matter what. UM. Marriage

954
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: to me is is a commitment through and through and

955
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: you if you're good times, you're bad times, you're better

956
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 1: and you're worse. And me and Catherine always talk about

957
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: this is my worst, this is you said you'd love

958
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: me feel my worst. But I think, UM, seeing the

959
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: other side commit to trying is yeah, that's what is

960
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 1: all you need. So there's there's a relationship where you

961
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: saw that you know she wasn't trying. She wasn't And

962
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: that's an even the marriage. You know you're very religious

963
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 1: and you have your values in your core. Would that

964
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: to be something where you would just live with or

965
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: would you have to find your happiness elsewhere? A very

966
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: difficult answer. You can't cross that bridge until you get

967
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: to it. That that exactly, UM. But if you saw

968
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: other people living that way and then they'd be like, Okay,

969
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: they're not trying. So because a lot of people email

970
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: us in and they say, you know, my husband just

971
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:26,959
Speaker 1: isn't trying. It's like, how can if two people aren't trying,

972
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 1: then how is it going to or not working? That's

973
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: how is it gonna work? Yeah, and that's that's the

974
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 1: biggest issue. And I think that's why a testament to

975
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: our both of our all four of our couple ship

976
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: is that we see the other person trying. And just

977
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 1: like Catherine said, you know, I think when jan and

978
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 1: I first went to therapy the very at the very

979
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: very beginning of our relationship, it was they kind of

980
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: fixed Mike, right, So this I felt the same way.

981
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: But then as you see the other person cleaning up

982
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 1: their side of the street and we're doing ours, it's

983
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: like you learn to come together by taking care of

984
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 1: you go you end up learning you go to therapy

985
00:49:58,160 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 1: not to fix the other person, but to fix yourself,

986
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: and then you guys go closer to go for you.

987
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 1: It's he wasn't able to do that. He wasn't he

988
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 1: wasn't invested in that. So it's like, of course, so

989
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 1: it's and how how could you live that way? You know,

990
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 1: I don't know how someone could. Yeah, you can't. When

991
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 1: you're committed to growth, it's you know, it becomes suffocate you.

992
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,919
Speaker 1: You feel suffocated, um and you have to continue to grow.

993
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 1: And sometimes the only way to help the other person

994
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: grow is to change the situation. That's true, and and

995
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:32,399
Speaker 1: that's but that was always the scariest thing. And I've

996
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: told Katherine this a million times when I was in

997
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: that weird up and down with Mike. Whether it is

998
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 1: he really gonna change? Is he not? But I always

999
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 1: feared that maybe if I did leave him, that would

1000
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 1: he would then be the person that he's going to

1001
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 1: be that I wanted him to be. But that's going

1002
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 1: to jump start him to change. So it's whether or

1003
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: not you're gonna hold on and enjoy the ride, or

1004
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: or you know, maybe he gets it with someone else.

1005
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's scary no matter what somebody decides

1006
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: it is, you know, I mean, there's no right or

1007
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 1: wrong answer. It's obviously if someone's trying, it's easier to stay.

1008
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: But who knows you both have to be to grow.

1009
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 1: That's true. You know what I'm asking, why do you

1010
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: call her the wardens? To me? Catherine knew that, I mean,

1011
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: not really, but it goes back to the whole thing.

1012
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 1: Like any guy and we're making plants, it's like, hold on,

1013
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: let me ask the ball. How many guys say that?

1014
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: So it's just a different word us, a different word

1015
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,479
Speaker 1: a you know me like I like to get a laugh.

1016
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: So when I throw that out there and nobody's ever

1017
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,800
Speaker 1: really heard it, so they're like, I don't guys, I

1018
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 1: don't let me ask the warden if I which is fantastic,

1019
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: which is absolutely fantastic. Well, I know everybody's scared of me.

1020
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: That's been the latest that all the guys are scared

1021
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: of me. YEA, well because you but you're a strong person.

1022
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:00,839
Speaker 1: But here's I will say just what I love about

1023
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: Catherine and and and the kind of our girl group

1024
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: is Nick isn't not saying that they're not the other

1025
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 1: guys aren't amazing husbands because they they're good husbands. But

1026
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 1: like Nick is, you're one of the best husbands. You know,

1027
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: very close to my husband out there. I mean you

1028
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,879
Speaker 1: you help with the kids, you do the you're you're there.

1029
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,439
Speaker 1: It's been a great you know, we're the same age.

1030
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: Think's been a great role model from me to be

1031
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 1: a father. On how interactive he is with the kids.

1032
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: That's true. So I think the guys are scared of you,

1033
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 1: because that's how it should be. You do you know

1034
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: what I mean? I make them do a lot of

1035
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 1: so they're they're sorry. I'm gonna tell their wives that

1036
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: they need to be doing. It's different than that, though, Like,

1037
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: I don't know. She doesn't make me do anything. It's

1038
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 1: no no one can make anybody. But I don't know.

1039
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: It's just I, you know, with what I do for

1040
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 1: a living and everything I have, have tind it a

1041
00:52:56,360 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: lot of nine to five dads don't have so nick

1042
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: as a realtor. Ever since we've had kids. Um, you know,

1043
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,399
Speaker 1: I'm usually dropping them off at school or picking them

1044
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,399
Speaker 1: up or you know, if Katherine gets off work late,

1045
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: then I need to have dinner made for the kids.

1046
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not going to look at and go, well,

1047
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: the wife's the one that makes the dinner while the

1048
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: kids are sitting there at the table, like what the

1049
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: hell I'm hungry. You're subjective to your environment. They're adapting.

1050
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:26,919
Speaker 1: You adapt to the life you've chosen, and and that's

1051
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: the cards that are dealt. And then it just becomes

1052
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: second nature. Speaking at dinner have you ever heard of

1053
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 1: Thrive Market. I have not, but I'm interested to hear.

1054
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: It's really great because it's delivers right to your doorstep.

1055
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 1: And what's great about it, Katherine too, is you know, um,

1056
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:42,800
Speaker 1: you can get mac and cheese. So they have as

1057
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: Mac and cheese. I mean they have really like they've easy.

1058
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 1: It's healthy, living, easy and affordable. So some of my

1059
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,800
Speaker 1: favorite products in there that I get UM are the

1060
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 1: as Mac and cheese. I love ands products. It's really

1061
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: good for kids. It's the best selling non gmo foods

1062
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:06,320
Speaker 1: and natural products, always at below traditional retail value prices,

1063
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 1: so that's so good. And also what I love baby

1064
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 1: We love the Myers all the fantastic so the detergent,

1065
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: the stuff on the counters, the surface cleaners. And also

1066
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 1: we get um this really great non hypoallergenic lotion for Jolie.

1067
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: So you can get anything from baby products to food

1068
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 1: to the best fresh meat and seafood. I mean it's

1069
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: really it's amazing, high quality. Um more than sev The

1070
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 1: Thrive Market catalog cannot be found on Amazon, which I

1071
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 1: love Amazon, so this just makes me even happier. Keep

1072
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 1: in mind, Thrive Markets prices are already up to fifty

1073
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 1: off and now they're giving an extra off your first

1074
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 1: order plus free thirty day trial. Head to www dot

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Speaker 1: thrive market dot com. That's Thrive t h R I

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Speaker 1: V E Market, m A r k et dot com

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00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: slash Janna and that's off your first order and free

1078
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 1: thirty day trial. So we have been doing relationship challenges.

1079
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 1: My favorite one was the strike that for you not

1080
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: at all if you didn't do it scary. But did

1081
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 1: you ask me what I needed? Last week? I don't

1082
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 1: think you did. Did you ask me? Why are you

1083
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:24,879
Speaker 1: just coming at me? Did you ask me what I needed?

1084
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: I did? Would you when you ask that? I don't

1085
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,359
Speaker 1: know the day, but I remember coming? Actually no I did.

1086
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,879
Speaker 1: I did ask that, did you? Yeah, before we left

1087
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 1: out of town because we still have to do our

1088
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 1: even though we're saying and we still have to do it. No,

1089
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 1: I did ask you. I don't think before we left town. Oh,

1090
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: I thought that was just the normal thing. Just you

1091
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:48,800
Speaker 1: guys are packing, you need anything to anything? I don't know. Yeah, no,

1092
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 1: it was Hey, why you're away? Because still understandably so

1093
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:54,879
Speaker 1: like you know, we're away from each other for a week.

1094
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: It can be triggering at times for Janna, and I

1095
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: want to make sure that she feels safe. Well, she's

1096
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 1: away and I had Jolie the whole time, but still,

1097
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: I never want to assume comfort ability or anything like that.

1098
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:09,320
Speaker 1: So I don't want her to think I'm being complacent.

1099
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 1: So I asked her if there's any additional things within

1100
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 1: the boundaries that we live in, if she needs anything.

1101
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 1: So I did ask. I wasn't that thorought or thoughtful

1102
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 1: because you were. Just because you weren't present for that

1103
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:25,439
Speaker 1: moment doesn't mean I didn't ask. Thanks. Then, um, Nick,

1104
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you pick our relationship challenge this week.

1105
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 1: Do you have something that you can think of? How

1106
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:39,320
Speaker 1: about this? Um? Love languages, different love languages, Catherine's is. So,

1107
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,280
Speaker 1: how about just a gift that you know your spouse

1108
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:47,320
Speaker 1: would appreciate. Oh, that's that, and it doesn't have to

1109
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 1: be it could just be something. Any flowers? Yeah, I

1110
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: love that. That'd be great. It's a good one. There

1111
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 1: you go, that is a good one. It was funny. Okay,

1112
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 1: I want a I'm gonna alright, So the relationship challenge,

1113
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 1: the relationship challenge of the week. We're gonna because Catherine her,

1114
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 1: that sounds so bad that your number one is gifts?

1115
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 1: Sorry language, how dare you? I'm a cover of your

1116
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: fans because you and I are like the same language. Gifts.

1117
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 1: What is your number one? Though I don't remember words time,

1118
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 1: quality time, quality access service. I think I think hers

1119
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 1: is gifts access service. And then sometimes you're more quality

1120
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: time because you like doing things as a family. And yeah,

1121
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: from the parts, that's after the gifts and after that,

1122
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 1: after you do, after you do the dishes and buy

1123
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: a gift. She likes the call time. I'm not a

1124
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 1: terrible no, you do not. And then I have a

1125
00:57:56,560 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 1: good one for next week. Then it's other persons. So

1126
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 1: this week it's the husband for the spouse. No, no, no.

1127
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 1: This week is you just give your either a spouse, partner, whatever,

1128
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:12,959
Speaker 1: You give them a nice little gift just just because gift,

1129
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 1: which is so sweet. But then the next week after

1130
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 1: that they'll be what they're number one, so you would

1131
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: love me more better? That week stayed next and Katherine,

1132
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 1: have you ready to get out? She's like, oh, I

1133
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 1: didn't listen to that, and like, uh, I'm gonna be

1134
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 1: like texting are like James podcast is on? Did you

1135
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 1: hear the challenge hold hold my hand. That's why I

1136
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 1: loved though about this on any like Jane started off with,

1137
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 1: is that it is just a little different than most stereotypes.

1138
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 1: But I've personally loved it because Katherine's like the only

1139
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 1: one of your friends that has been able to understand

1140
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 1: aspects of me more. Well. It's get the text message,

1141
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 1: you know, because you know, Katherine was there with me

1142
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 1: when we found out about everything, and she's been there

1143
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 1: for me through the lowest of lows with with our

1144
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 1: stuff and I mean with everything really, but you know,

1145
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 1: I'll never forget the text messages she sent me, and

1146
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 1: she said, I never realized how much I could actually

1147
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: relate to Mike and the things that That's what basically

1148
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 1: was said, right absolutely, And I was like, what, I

1149
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 1: remember screenshotting it and look at that. But it's you know,

1150
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 1: at first, it's almost you know, we all kind of

1151
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 1: judged him, and then you realize that there are actually

1152
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 1: similar issues that you guys. Absolutely absolutely, and I think that,

1153
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:37,439
Speaker 1: you know, I look back and some of the things

1154
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 1: I had to say at the time when I was angry,

1155
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 1: which anybody would, you know, I can I can definitely

1156
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 1: see things differently now for sure. Absolutely. Wow. See I

1157
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 1: can be emotional, fella. There's a new podcast that Jane

1158
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 1: and I have been excited about and been listeners of.

1159
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 1: It's and Me. I'm trying to work here, Can you do? Mind?

1160
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1161
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1162
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1163
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Speaker 1: all nine point five genetically alike? Does that mean more

1167
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1178
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 1: you listen to podcasts. Okay, so I am so excited

1179
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 1: to have girls re store Joe and Jenna in studio. Um,

1180
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 1: I love you guys. Thank you. First of all, I

1181
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:14,480
Speaker 1: mean grocery store Joe. So, I mean he has the

1182
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 1: last name Joe. Do you just is that what everyone

1183
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 1: calls You just have to go by that now, Yeah,

1184
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 1: everybody calls me grocery store Joe. Um, my last name

1185
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 1: is a Mobley. People have a hard time pronouncing grocery

1186
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 1: store Joe. Okay, there you go. It's cool. So, um, honey,

1187
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 1: did you did you watch the first Yeah? You know

1188
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 1: I always watched the first couple and then I'm like,

1189
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 1: all right, this is your thing. Yeah that's true. But

1190
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 1: remember so grocery store Joe. Sorry Joe, he got wroted

1191
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 1: off the first night. Such a sad night. But now

1192
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 1: look at him, did that? Did that just like break

1193
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 1: your heart? Like to be where you just like, please

1194
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 1: don't be the first guy. Please don't be the first

1195
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 1: guy to be voted off Bachelor. Yeah, it then it

1196
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:03,560
Speaker 1: break my heart. It was it was a little embarrassing.

1197
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 1: I was, you know, he didn't sign up for it,

1198
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 1: so we just got to get that clear. He was

1199
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 1: like found in the Whole Foods and so I read that. Yeah. Well,

1200
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 1: I was walking through Whole Foods and they're like, hey,

1201
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 1: are you single? I'm like yeah. She was like, you

1202
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:18,919
Speaker 1: want to try out for the Bachelor, and I thought

1203
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 1: they wanted me to trial for the lead. So I'm like, yeah,

1204
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 1: let's do it. Yeah. Absolutely, And then next thing I know,

1205
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 1: I was in l a and not getting a roast

1206
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 1: that first night. It was embarrassing. Anything who was that

1207
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 1: came up to you and asked you that they I

1208
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 1: think they Yeah, I think they sent scouts out to

1209
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 1: bigger cities. Grocery store. Yeah yeah, so every Whole Foods

1210
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 1: across the country. Probably that's funny, But you actually own

1211
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 1: a grocery store in Chicago, right, I used to. I

1212
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 1: used to. I don't anymore. No, I'm just now I'm

1213
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 1: just a dancer, you know. Well, okay, so let's let's transition.

1214
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 1: You have one of the sweetest partners of all time, Jenna.

1215
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 1: You've you always. I had the privilege of being able

1216
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 1: to be in one of the seasons that Jenna was on,

1217
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 1: and Jenna, You're just You're just a genuinely nice girl.

1218
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 1: You you wear your heart on your sleeve and I'm

1219
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 1: so happy that you know you're engaged and you're like

1220
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 1: I look at your Instagram years and vowels, and I

1221
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 1: just you just exude happiness and it's so it's so

1222
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 1: beautiful to see because you deserve all the love that's

1223
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 1: coming your way. Thank you so much. But how is it?

1224
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 1: Obviously you guys are getting lower scores dancing how people know?

1225
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's hard, obviously, because I mean week three,

1226
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:41,720
Speaker 1: someone was getting a perfect score and we're like still

1227
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 1: rocking in fives. But it's you know, I think it's

1228
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:48,680
Speaker 1: to be expected. We are the underdog couple and I'm

1229
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 1: fine with that. You know, we have we have to

1230
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 1: work harder than everyone. I think we're putting in so

1231
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:57,240
Speaker 1: many hours because it is new for Joe. But I'm

1232
01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:00,160
Speaker 1: so down because he shows up every every day with

1233
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 1: a smile on his face and he's like, all right,

1234
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 1: just tell me what to do this week, and he's

1235
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 1: down to do all of it. And that's the hard

1236
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:08,480
Speaker 1: thing is, you know, the packages on the show, it's

1237
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:10,560
Speaker 1: only like a minute package and so you don't get

1238
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 1: to see the seven days that we put in of blood,

1239
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 1: sweat and tears. And he just keeps doing it. So

1240
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 1: I'm so proud of him. Um, and I think we're

1241
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 1: that like cute comic relief in the middle of in

1242
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 1: the middle. Just stick him in the middle, stick in

1243
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 1: the middle. But yeah, we're still here. I know. Well

1244
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 1: that's that's what's so amazing. I mean, do you do

1245
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:36,960
Speaker 1: you ever feel bad it? Does it hurt your feelings

1246
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:38,800
Speaker 1: sometimes that they can be a little hard on you?

1247
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 1: Or are you just kind of enjoying it? No matter what.

1248
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 1: I No, it doesn't hurt my feelings. I enjoy. Yeah

1249
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 1: it doesn't. I mean I enjoy the entire process except

1250
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 1: for the minute and fifty I have to dance. But

1251
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 1: it's I don't know, I mean, I can only try

1252
01:04:57,360 --> 01:05:00,040
Speaker 1: my hardest, and it's I am. I feel like I

1253
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:02,280
Speaker 1: am getting better, but the dances are getting longer, so

1254
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 1: it's just harder to you know, like the first dance

1255
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 1: with fifty seconds, the last one was a minute and

1256
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:11,920
Speaker 1: fifty So it's hard not to make any mistakes out there.

1257
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 1: It really is, because I'm just not a good dancer. Um,

1258
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 1: but you know we're trying. Yeah, but that's what the

1259
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 1: show at the end of the day is about, you know,

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Speaker 1: is the growth, the journey and somebody learning how to dance.

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Speaker 1: So absolutely, How Joe, how's this whole ride been for you?

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Speaker 1: I mean you've gone from the Bachelorette to Bachelor in

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Speaker 1: Paradise to Dancing with the Stars. I mean, do you

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Speaker 1: have anything coming up lined up next for you or

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Speaker 1: you just kind of riding the wave right now? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's been pretty surreal. Me and Kendall are gonna

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Speaker 1: probably start our own YouTube channel. We're gonna try travel

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Speaker 1: around you know. I love and all of this. I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 1: look at that, and I'm learning how to dance, so

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be going. But it's it's um, you know,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't trade it in for the world. So, I mean, no,

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Speaker 1: no other contestant that it was voted off first has

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Speaker 1: had this what's that word like reception? Now this this

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Speaker 1: following behind it, And what I say is, um, I

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Speaker 1: think people forget that. Like he was living his normal

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Speaker 1: life there for thirty two years and then overnight he

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Speaker 1: became grocery store Joe sensation Like Instagram I didn't have Instagram,

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Speaker 1: you didn't have social media, and I have like what

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Speaker 1: a million followers or something crazy like that. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean that's that's Again, nobody ever in the history of

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Speaker 1: all the Bachelor of backroom paradises who voted off first

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Speaker 1: became a grocery storege. And you know, I will say,

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Speaker 1: and this is this is completely off of no factor

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Speaker 1: or anything, just my own opinion is And I don't

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Speaker 1: know Joe, I don't know you, but I make up

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Speaker 1: that you're very genuine, very true, nice, authentic person. And

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Speaker 1: so I think I make up that that's why the

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Speaker 1: country kind of fell in love with you, is that

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Speaker 1: you're just happy to be here every day and and

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Speaker 1: there's no sense of you know, entitlement or anything that

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Speaker 1: even again I've only I've only seen you on these

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Speaker 1: shows and stuff like that. I don't I don't get

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Speaker 1: that vibe from you. And I'm a big skeptic. So

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Speaker 1: if anyone, if the rest of the country doesn't like

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Speaker 1: I can definitely see why they fall in love with you. Man. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people can relate. And I

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Speaker 1: think even with dancing, like most people can't dance ballroom.

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Speaker 1: They mean they understand it. It's you know, I'm not

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Speaker 1: a performer. I never was, so it's so difficult, and

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Speaker 1: I get so nervous right before we go out there.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Joe, what if you won this freaking show.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's a chance we could win.

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Speaker 1: I think I'll ever But but but that because here's

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Speaker 1: the thing. That's what was so frustrating. When you go

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Speaker 1: on Dance with the Stars, and that's what I supposed.

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Speaker 1: I love the people that don't have any dance experience.

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01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 1: When you see the athletes and it's like there, of

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01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 1: course they're their bodies are going to be better for

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Speaker 1: this or that and be able to move. And this

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Speaker 1: is what it's about, someone who has no dance training,

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Speaker 1: who is just going out there and and just living

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Speaker 1: it up, you know, because my limbs are everywhere, I'm

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Speaker 1: kicking all over. Well. I love Joe and he knows this,

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Speaker 1: and I'll say it to his face, but he is

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Speaker 1: by far the most uncoordinated person I've ever met. And

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Speaker 1: that's not that's not entirely true. It is true, but

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Speaker 1: he but he's overcoming it and he's becoming more coordinated.

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Speaker 1: And I so seriously, I cannot believe that he gets

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Speaker 1: out there and he dances every week, Like I can't

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Speaker 1: believe it. It's amazing. I'm so proud of him. That's

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Speaker 1: so funny, And I think that's a huge testament to

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Speaker 1: like you, Jenna, to the other pros on what you

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Speaker 1: guys are able to do with these stars that come in,

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Speaker 1: what Glad was able to do with Janna, what you're

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Speaker 1: able to do with Joe. I think that's a testament

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Speaker 1: to what is doing with Bobby, is doing with Bobby,

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Speaker 1: Like what you guys are able to do, and how

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Speaker 1: you know how skilled you all are to teach such

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Speaker 1: an intricate dance and routine to these people who have

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Speaker 1: never danced before. I don't think people give you guys

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Speaker 1: enough credit because that's fascinating. Well, thank you. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: is a minor panic attack every week, but yeah, I'm sure.

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Speaker 1: I mean, at the end of the day, though, would

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Speaker 1: you have wanted like, did you know you have loved someone? Okay,

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Speaker 1: I would take Joe a million times over again because no,

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Speaker 1: but it's true. We have the best time every day

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Speaker 1: and we've become really good friends. We have like a

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Speaker 1: weird random connection. I think it's because we're born on

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Speaker 1: the same day, we have the same birthday, and we

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Speaker 1: just have a great, awesome friendship and so I would

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Speaker 1: not trade this experience for the world. So yeah, having

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Speaker 1: my partners has been awesome. Well, Stars, but you got her.

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Speaker 1: She She's made it very enjoyable. I love it. Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you guys so much for coming on the show.

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Speaker 1: You guys give it up a grocery store. John Jenner

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Speaker 1: the Stars. I just really love the fact that Jenna

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Speaker 1: said that she is happy with because I know when

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Speaker 1: I was in the season to like the worst dance partner.

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Speaker 1: But again, when you see someone that's really trying and

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Speaker 1: shows up, I feel like that would that would be

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Speaker 1: better than just having someone that. I'm sure everything despite

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Speaker 1: how successful a couple is on the show, I think

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Speaker 1: it's the day to day I'm sure is what makes

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Speaker 1: that experience that much better because again people don't know

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Speaker 1: that behind the scenes, how many hours you you guts

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Speaker 1: spend together, like just going over these routines you know,

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Speaker 1: all day. Yeah, I just I'm so happy. I'm just

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Speaker 1: happy for Jenna personally too. And then again, like no

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Speaker 1: other contestant has ever had that kind of reaction. No, again,

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Speaker 1: I just I really believe that's a testament to his

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Speaker 1: character and that he's that reel of an authentic and

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Speaker 1: nice person. I was shocked she didn't keep him when

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Speaker 1: on the show because I remember him like he's cute,

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Speaker 1: you know, he's not absolutely and he seemed nice, so

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Speaker 1: I was I was always very confused that she sent

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Speaker 1: him home first. Well look at him now, baby, last laugh.

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Speaker 1: And I feel like everyone now that's going to be

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Speaker 1: on the next Bachelor. They just want to be like

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Speaker 1: first off and then make the bigger name for themselves.

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Speaker 1: No one can do. And that's the thing. He didn't

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Speaker 1: even try, like, he didn't do anything to try to

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Speaker 1: do that. He was just himself. He was just a

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Speaker 1: guy that showed up. It's awesome. I'm gonna vote for

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Speaker 1: them though, because I like them. Well sorry, I'll vote

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