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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly john Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and Troy Jackson has effectively secured the

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Speaker 1: main Senate Democratic nomination. We have such a great show

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Speaker 1: for you today, the Lincoln Projects Rick Wilson joins us

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Speaker 1: to discuss Trump's new hate election strategy. It's not that

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Speaker 1: they hate elections, it's that they hate Democrats to win

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Speaker 1: the midterms. We'll talk to the former head of the

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Speaker 1: Wisconsin Democrats, Ben Wickler about his new book, This is

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Speaker 1: the Plan, How to end America's meltdown and Save Democracy.

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Speaker 1: But first the news.

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Speaker 2: Smiley Trump's little buddy, Mike Johnson, you may know him

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Speaker 2: from his masturbation monitoring up use. He has abandoned the

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Speaker 2: Save Act even though mister Trump really really wanted him

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Speaker 2: to stick to it because he's got to get this

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Speaker 2: budget built passed.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I still think this budget bill is not

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Speaker 1: going to pass. This is reconciliation. It's another reconciliation bill. Look,

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Speaker 1: they need money for the war that Trump said he

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Speaker 1: was not going to put us through. They do need it.

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Speaker 1: But I think this is I don't think it's going

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Speaker 1: to pass. First of all, Trump doesn't really give a shit.

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Speaker 1: All he cares about is the Save Act. There are

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Speaker 1: not the votes for the Save Act. This weekend, Lisa

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Speaker 1: Murkowski wrote an op ed saying, you're not getting the

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Speaker 1: Save Act okay, And again, the Save Act is not

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Speaker 1: going to go in reconciliation. So you can't pass the

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Speaker 1: Save Act without killing the filibuster. You can't kill the filibuster.

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Speaker 1: Republicans won't kill the filibuster. So tell me how you're

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Speaker 1: going to pass this. If he can't pass it a

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Speaker 1: reconciliation and you don't have the votes to kill the filibuster,

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Speaker 1: you can't do it. It's like it just won't happen.

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Speaker 1: And besides, and again, this is the thing about this bill,

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Speaker 1: and this is the thing about a lot of this

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Speaker 1: Republican legislation. You don't see it so much at the

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Speaker 1: federal level because they don't pass a lot, but you

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Speaker 1: A lot of this stuff is written really poorly and

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Speaker 1: you know, haphazardly. But this is all a voter suppression play. Anyway.

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Speaker 1: Trump knows he's unpopular, he knows that he can't win.

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Speaker 1: He's not running on anything, and so he just wants

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Speaker 1: to make it harder for people to vote. That's it,

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Speaker 1: he convinced me.

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Speaker 2: So were you in the city this week for how

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Speaker 2: bad the air quality was?

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Speaker 1: Yes, it is bad. I was standing on the street

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Speaker 1: in Orangemog coughing, going it's over three hundred.

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Speaker 2: I definitely guess lit my wife and was like, it's

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Speaker 2: not so bad that it started coughing. So it's quite bad.

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Speaker 2: But because of that, mister Trump says he's going to

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Speaker 2: tariff Canada because of it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's just talk this through for a minute,

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Speaker 1: because I think it's really important. These wildfires were caused

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Speaker 1: by climate change. Climate change a real fucking problem, and

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Speaker 1: what we're seeing it much more in the summer we

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Speaker 1: had wildfires, then we had a sheet dome which trapped

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Speaker 1: the smoke, which is why we had New York really

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Speaker 1: bad air quality. You know where they had worse air

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Speaker 1: quality in the Midwest, Yeah, Michigan, Right in states that

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Speaker 1: were closer to where the fires were. Because the fires

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Speaker 1: So instead of wanting to do something about climate change.

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Speaker 1: Instead of being concerned about forest fires, Donald Trump is

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Speaker 1: laser focused on trying to do something bad to Canada.

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Speaker 1: I just think this is important to talk about Trump

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Speaker 1: has You know, his instincts are insane. Remember when he

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Speaker 1: wanted greenland? He still does, right, That's what this is like.

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Speaker 1: It's like, you know, Trump wants to create wars where

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Speaker 1: there are none. So again he's already trying to tear

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Speaker 1: As opposed to doing what a normal person would do,

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Speaker 1: which is to try to do stuff about climate change.

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Speaker 1: She wants to do stuff about Canada. Very unsurprising, but

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Speaker 1: very annoying. And again he has said, we are holding

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Speaker 1: Canada responsible for the fact they are not properly maintaining

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Speaker 1: their forests and bushes. The United States is being unnecessarily

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Speaker 1: the idea that he can't make the connection between fires

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Speaker 2: Forest fires seems like their vibe. Yeah, So one of

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Speaker 2: the things I really think Democrats should do is get

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Speaker 2: on board with banning Polymarket and Calshi as soon as possible,

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Speaker 2: and this story is exactly why that should be a

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Speaker 2: big priority. We have rep Anna Paulina.

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Speaker 1: Luna, Everyone's favorite tipping off.

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Speaker 2: DC Dreno aka rogan O Handley. He made a big

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Speaker 2: bet on Jdvans becoming Trump's vice president and this is

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Speaker 2: exactly why we should not have these sites. There's so

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Speaker 2: many reasons why, and it really is astounding.

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Speaker 1: So this is the experiment, like what happens if you

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Speaker 1: make America Las Vegas and it turns out that people

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Speaker 1: are even worse than they would otherwise be. DC Dreno

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Speaker 1: made this bet. The tip inspired investigation from the Commodity's

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Speaker 1: Future Trading Commission. What I think is important about this

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Speaker 1: is Polymarkets and Calshi have basically just you know, have

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Speaker 1: decided that there's not legislation, there's not regulation that deals

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Speaker 1: with this, right. So we went from a country where

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Speaker 1: you couldn't gamble, where you weren't really supposed to gamble,

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Speaker 1: and you know, you could only do gambling in certain

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Speaker 1: place where you can just gamble on everything all the time,

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Speaker 1: and there is no regulation here. So what needs to

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Speaker 1: happen is these are markets that really need to be

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Speaker 1: heavily regulated, just like pot or alcohol, or tobacco or

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Speaker 1: need to be heavily regulated so that people are not

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Speaker 1: doing insider trading, so that people are not ruining themselves gambling,

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Speaker 1: so that there's some protection for consumers and a Paulina Luna,

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Speaker 1: I also think it's important to remember like this is

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Speaker 1: a person who was good on some things with the

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Speaker 1: Epstein survivors, but is largely a complete disaster. And in fact,

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Speaker 1: she told The Wall Street Journal when confronted about this,

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Speaker 1: I'm honored The Wall Street Journal thinks I'm at telepaths,

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Speaker 1: but unfortunately I am not. Yeah, okay, you know, any

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Speaker 1: suggestion that I traded on confidential information or discussed doings though,

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Speaker 1: like there are a lot of people in Trump world

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Speaker 1: who are doing illegal shit. It's sort of trickling down

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Speaker 1: to everyone else in Trump world. But some of these

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Speaker 1: people are going to end up going to jail. Like

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Speaker 1: maybe not DC Draino for insider trading, you know, And

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Speaker 1: again like it's sort of vague enough, so maybe they

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, this next story though, kind of tells us what's

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Speaker 2: been going on here. So apparently federal agents were told

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Speaker 2: the FBI will no longer investigate ice confrontations. So you

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Speaker 3: Whoop? Do you do?

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Speaker 1: So again, like this is one of these things where

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Speaker 1: it's not legal, right, Like federal agents can't tell the

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Speaker 1: FBI not to investigate things like this. Is the thing

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Speaker 1: about Trump two point zero is like they're constantly trying

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Speaker 1: things that are not legal, Like Mark Wayne, what Mullen

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Speaker 1: that and we need everyone's election roles voter rolls like okay,

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Speaker 1: Mark Wayne, but you can't have them. And so this

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Speaker 1: is all stuff that's going to need to get kicked

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Speaker 1: a lot of judicial opinions that are like nope, nope, nope, ah,

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Speaker 1: told FBI will no longer investigate ice confrontations. I'm telling you,

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Speaker 1: FBI is going to have to investigate ice confrontations because like,

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Speaker 1: this is how the government works, and like we still

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Speaker 1: have checks and outances, we still have laws, and like

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Speaker 1: just because Trump World doesn't want us to have laws,

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Speaker 1: they don't get to do this, this will not work. Eventually,

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Speaker 1: the courts will push back on this. And that's like

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Speaker 1: with the deportation flights, like you just have to run

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Speaker 1: for everything. None of this is legal, and that's why

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Speaker 1: this administration keeps losing. Rick Wilson is the boundary of

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Speaker 1: Lincoln Project and the host of the Lincoln Project podcast Welcome, Welcome,

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Speaker 1: Rick Wilson.

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Speaker 3: Hello, Molly, how is your Sunday?

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Speaker 1: Oh just you know, live in the dream. So Axios

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Speaker 1: has this reporting and it is the GOP mid term strategy,

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Speaker 1: written by Markabuto, who gets a lot of information day

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Speaker 1: that this is going to be a hate election. That's

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Speaker 1: gr Siam. I'm just gonna say one last thing. Republicans

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Speaker 1: admit the GOP's midterm forecast is bleak, but they're clinging

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Speaker 1: to two hopes. Voters fear and loathing of the Democrats discuss.

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Speaker 4: This is a mighty thin read to hang on to

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Speaker 4: in a In a year where the economy was great

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Speaker 4: and Republicans had done something else to screw up, I

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Speaker 4: might look at this strategy and go, you know, roll

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Speaker 4: the dice, give it a shot. But the economy is terrible.

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Speaker 4: Republicans are freaking out because they have no economic message

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Speaker 4: at all. Affordability is out the window for them. Trump

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Speaker 4: is deeply unpopular. So what they're going to do is

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Speaker 4: the next stuff. Four months. It's going to be fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Let's go back in history and talk about midterms for

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Speaker 1: a minute. Like the twenty eighteen cycle, which was one

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Speaker 1: that was very good for Democrats and very bad for Trump,

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Speaker 1: is sort of one that we think about a lot.

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Speaker 1: So in that cycle, what would you say that the

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Speaker 1: Republican strategy was, Well, look.

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Speaker 4: It was to keep recapitulating Hillary, Hillary, Hillary. It was

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Speaker 4: liberal liberal, liberal, pelosis to liberal. They're all descended from

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Speaker 4: one guy. Okay, there's one Republican strategist from way back

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Speaker 4: the hate election strategy. And honestly, it wasn't stupid as

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Speaker 4: a strategy when you had nothing else to distract the voters.

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Speaker 4: became much more tenuous. The present incarnation of this strategy

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Speaker 4: is going to rely on trying to go to war

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Speaker 4: with Mom Domi and Gavin Newsome and AOC and whoever

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Speaker 4: else is on the Democratic radar screen right right. The

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Speaker 4: problem for the Republicans in for Trump is every one

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Speaker 4: of those people is wildly more popular than Donald Trump,

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Speaker 4: so wildly they're not even that popular, and they're wildly

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Speaker 4: more popular than Donald.

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Speaker 1: Trump, so sore on that.

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Speaker 4: Look, Trump, he has created for himself a set of

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Speaker 4: polling conditions that are so brutal and so ugly because

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Speaker 4: he's you know, spend his time on tariffs and ballrooms

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Speaker 4: and YadA, YadA YadA, that he's got a really tough

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Speaker 4: Fashion icon Andrew Tate, I believe is his full.

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Speaker 4: and in Romania where they ran their sex trafficking ring.

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Speaker 4: And honestly, Mollie, this could not happen to nicer people

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Speaker 4: they were. They were able to scoot out of it

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Speaker 4: before because, according to some of the reporting, Richard Grennell

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Speaker 4: went to the Romanian government and said, hey, these guys

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Speaker 4: are good with Trump and Baron and Don Junior. They're

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Speaker 4: their friends, and you better let them go. And they

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Speaker 4: let them go, and you know, look, it's not it's

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Speaker 4: not like he His justice system is notoriously not corrupt.

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Speaker 1: Right, all right, so.

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Speaker 4: We see now that the UK has decided, you know,

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Speaker 4: we've already gotten enough of bloody nose over Andrew. Let's

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Speaker 4: not let this thing hang in the wind. Now. There's

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Speaker 4: a lot of chit chat back and forth in the

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Speaker 4: rumor mill this this evening or this afternoon that you know,

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Speaker 4: some people were saying, oh that, you know, by the

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Speaker 4: time Don Junior and Baron called Donald Trump and he's

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Speaker 4: gonna sell him not to extradite them and all this.

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure Donald Trump wants to be the guy

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Speaker 4: that doesn't extradite sex traffickers. Even he I don't think

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Speaker 4: can handle that politically.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Todd Blanche moved Gallane from the jail she

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Speaker 1: was into a prison camp with puppies. She told He

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Speaker 1: told members of the Senate on Friday or Thursday, Thursday

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Speaker 1: Friday that he had done it because there were threats

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Speaker 1: against her.

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Speaker 4: The lies do not become us as a country. We

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Speaker 4: know why he did it. We shouldn't pretend that his

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Speaker 4: that his statements weren't anything but perjury. He went down

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Speaker 4: there because Donald Trump said, make sure she doesn't squeal,

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Speaker 4: promise her a pardon. Late in my administration tell her

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Speaker 4: she has to wait another year, year and a half,

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Speaker 4: and as I'm on the way out, I'll pardon her

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Speaker 4: and we don't.

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Speaker 1: That's our gas, that's your gas, of course, right.

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Speaker 4: But I mean, this is this is the Okham's raizor

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Speaker 4: of this incredibly corrupt administration. And and there's nothing, there's

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Speaker 4: nothing I would put past them to try to mitigate

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Speaker 4: the idea that they could they can somehow shut Gawayne

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Speaker 4: Maxwell up. They are, they are, they are highly motivated

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Speaker 4: to do that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it is worth pointing out that there is

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Speaker 1: only one person who is in jail right now because

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Speaker 1: of Jeff, you know, in the Epstein world, and it

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Speaker 1: is killing Kawayne Maxwell, Rick Wilson, Mulla Jong Fast will

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Speaker 1: come back as always. Ben Wickler is the former head

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Speaker 1: of the Wisconsin Democrats and the author of This is

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Speaker 1: the Plan how to end America's meltdown and save democracy. Welcome, Welcome,

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Speaker 1: Ben Wickler.

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Speaker 3: Great to be with you, Malegonocrats.

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Speaker 1: This is the plan. So what is the plan?

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Speaker 5: And tell us this is this isn't the plan. The

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Speaker 5: plan starts with this question of if you like maybe

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Speaker 5: you and me and millions of other people feel like

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Speaker 5: We're in a flaming train wreck disaster zone at the moment,

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Speaker 5: with correct the country spirally out of control, not working

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Speaker 5: for agether people, democracy being systematically dismembered by a Cabala

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Speaker 5: far reight billionaires.

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Speaker 3: What do you do?

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Speaker 5: And the first central thing is don't agonize, organize. It

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Speaker 5: is to roll up your sleeves and recognize that even

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Speaker 5: though a frontal assault on everything at once doesn't work,

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Speaker 5: that actually there is a series of fights where if

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Speaker 5: enough of us get together, we can actually tip the

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Speaker 5: balance and step by step unrigg the entire American political system.

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Speaker 5: That is what I dig into and map out. And

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Speaker 5: this is the plan is. It is a message to people,

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Speaker 5: individual people across the country. You're people watching, listening right now,

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Speaker 5: what you can do that has the biggest impact to

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Speaker 5: be able to get us out of this mess.

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Speaker 3: And essentially it's saved democracy.

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Speaker 5: And then when we have a real democracy to then

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Speaker 5: pass laws that unrig our economy and make things work

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Speaker 5: for regular folks across the nation. But it starts with

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Speaker 5: the recognition that we are in a moment of profound

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Speaker 5: crisis as a democracy. That is the result not just

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Speaker 5: of Donald Trump himself, but also of a far right

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Speaker 5: movement that has been working to rig our political and

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Speaker 5: economic system at every level. And in Wisconsin we have

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Speaker 5: some experience with this because that's exactly what Scott Walker

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Speaker 5: and Republicans did starting in twenty ten, and we've been

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Speaker 5: able to organize and fight our way out of it

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Speaker 5: step by step over years. And it takes realizing that

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Speaker 5: often the most obscure races are the ones that have

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Speaker 5: the biggest impact on how the systems work for the

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Speaker 5: most high profile ones, which means that right now, you

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Speaker 5: know it's important to work on the House and the Senate, absolutely,

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Speaker 5: but there are state legislative races that will be decided

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Speaker 5: by a few dozen votes in twenty twenty six in

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Speaker 5: a handful of key states, where if you throw yourself

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Speaker 5: into those, you could be the margin of difference. I say,

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Speaker 5: win by the margin of efforts. Don't worry about the

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Speaker 5: margin of errors in the poll. Put yourself in win

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Speaker 5: by the margin of effort, and that could lead to

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Speaker 5: dictator proofing the electoral systems in the battleground states before

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty eight, so we actually have free and fair

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Speaker 5: elections in the next presidential election. It could lead to

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Speaker 5: the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, which allows us to

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Speaker 5: defuse the electoral College, which is a total atrocity. That's

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Speaker 5: you know, step one over the next few months, but

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Speaker 5: I go through year by year what we need to

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Speaker 5: do to not go back to a system that was

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Speaker 5: broken before Trump kind of rampaged into the wreckage, but

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Speaker 5: rather build a better democracy than we've ever had and

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Speaker 5: then make this country work for everyone.

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Speaker 1: So I wouldn't love you to talk about your experience

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Speaker 1: in the great state of Wisconsin and how that tells

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Speaker 1: this toy.

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Speaker 5: The book opens with I think one of the great

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Speaker 5: villains of our era, el and Musk, coming to Green Bay,

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Speaker 5: Wisconsin putting a cheesehead.

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Speaker 1: On its head my favorite moment. Yes, go on an.

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Speaker 5: Active of hideous cultural appropriation, but the way that it

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Speaker 5: backfired so spectacularly makes it one of the great moments

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Speaker 5: in our state, in our country's history. This is the

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Speaker 5: guy who had just dismembered the US Agency for International

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Speaker 5: Development and condemned hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of people

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Speaker 5: to death around the world and put a gigantic scar

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Speaker 5: in the face of the United States reputation and standing

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Speaker 5: in the world. And here he came to try to

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Speaker 5: buy our state Supreme Court election, and if he'd succeeded,

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Speaker 5: it would have meant a far right majority on the

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Speaker 5: Wisconsin State Supreme Court that would have re jerry managed

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Speaker 5: our state legislative districts and kept stomping on voting rights

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Speaker 5: and helped to raise the specter of Wisconsin being read

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Speaker 5: for forever and you know, tipping the next presidential election

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Speaker 5: into whoever it is that the Republicans nominated next time,

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Speaker 5: whether that's slonneled slump for you know, for a new term,

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Speaker 5: wearing a graduate Marx mustache, or whatever it's going to be.

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Speaker 5: He put fifty six million dollars into that race. It's

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Speaker 5: more than anyone has ever spent in any judicial election

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Speaker 5: in American history, and it blew up in his face.

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Speaker 5: Susan Crawford, our amazing candidate for justice, won by ten percent.

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Speaker 1: How much money did she have?

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Speaker 3: A lot less We were outspent.

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Speaker 5: I mean, she was also very well funded for judicial candidate,

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Speaker 5: in part because we put out word.

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Speaker 3: That we needed to fight against the Ela and Musk

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Speaker 3: and a lot of people got involved.

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Speaker 5: So we had people tipping in online with had thousands

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Speaker 5: and thousands of donors which added up to not enough

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Speaker 5: to out communicate or outspend the Muskan and his forces,

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Speaker 5: but enough to be able to get our message through.

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Speaker 5: And that message made this a question of whether Wisconsin

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Speaker 5: could be bought and paid for.

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Speaker 3: Had a lawsuit moving through Wisconsin's courts.

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Speaker 5: Brad Shimmel, the Republican candidate, we had on tape talking

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Speaker 5: about crawling around on his knees, needing to buy kneepads

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Speaker 5: at minards because he was wearing out his knee pads,

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Speaker 5: begging please, please please, for donations from big donors, and

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Speaker 5: so we connected the dots. The Crawford campaign and the

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Speaker 5: Democratic Party made this kind of a referendum on whether

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Speaker 5: Wisconsin was for sale that elon Musk and Wisconsin answered

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Speaker 5: emphatically no. The reason why that was possible is because

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Speaker 5: we had been organizing here continuously for nearly a decade

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Speaker 5: at this point, in neighborhood after neighborhood, every county in

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Speaker 5: the state, the reddest most rural corners of Wisconsin, the

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Speaker 5: biggest cities of Milwaukee and Madison, and everywhere in between.

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Speaker 5: And so we're able to actually connect with people where

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Speaker 5: they live on the ground as well as on every screen.

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Speaker 5: And every airwave and all the places that you can

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Speaker 5: run and ad but it's that work to actually build

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Speaker 5: a movement that can reach everybody, that allows you to

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Speaker 5: meet moments when they come. You saw the same thing

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Speaker 5: in Minnesota with the people who've been organizing neighborhood to neighborhood,

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Speaker 5: and then we're able to essentially reject ice this armed

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Speaker 5: occupation that was shooting people in the streets. This is

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Speaker 5: the work of organizing. If you do that for politics,

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Speaker 5: it means that you're ready for whatever might come your way.

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Speaker 5: And the Wisconsin experience, we went from a state that

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Speaker 5: was more rigged in our state than the country is now.

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Speaker 3: We had a five to.

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Speaker 5: Two Republican majority on our state Supreme Court, Republicans dominating

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Speaker 5: all the statewide offices, majority of the congressional seats, near

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Speaker 5: supermajorities in our state legislative maps, the most gerimannered maps,

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Speaker 5: the most union busting in the country, that one judge said,

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Speaker 5: the most restrictive voting law in the country. It seemed

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Speaker 5: like they had broken Wisconsin and turned it into a

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Speaker 5: red state where Republicans would be in control even when

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Speaker 5: the public didn't want it to. Now we have most

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Speaker 5: of the state wide offices. We have a five to

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Speaker 5: two pro democracy majority on the state Supreme Court.

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Speaker 3: We have fair state legislative maps.

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Speaker 5: We have every possibility of winning majorities in both chambers

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Speaker 5: this election cycle, which will happen if we win the

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Speaker 5: most votes, which is how democracy is supposed to work.

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Speaker 5: And that has come about because there are a thousand

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Speaker 5: of people who week after week are talking to people

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Speaker 5: in their communities, who are knocking on the doors of

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Speaker 5: their neighbors, who are going to local events, who are

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Speaker 5: walking in forth of Theuly Parade for the tw hundred

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Speaker 5: and fiftieth just now, who have made this not about

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Speaker 5: one candidate or one election, but about the idea of

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Speaker 5: a democracy that works for everyone itself. And it's their

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Speaker 5: work that I think is the model, that the work

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Speaker 5: of all those folks at the grassroots around our state,

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Speaker 5: that's the model for what we can do nationwide. And

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Speaker 5: the reason why I really do think as dark as

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Speaker 5: things are, there's the possibility that we are now laying

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Speaker 5: the groundwork for the next great as you would argue

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Speaker 5: it reconstruction, the next great flowering of democracy in this country,

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Speaker 5: and a chance for this to be the darkest moment

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Speaker 5: before I'm much brighter down.

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Speaker 1: I know all these facts to be true, but I

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Speaker 1: often just assume it's because you were the state party chair. No, no,

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Speaker 1: are you sure?

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Speaker 5: I argue you know and I one reason that gives

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Speaker 5: me great confidence is that the year round on the

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Speaker 5: ground organizing program that I fell in love with, celebrated,

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Speaker 5: did everything in my power to grow.

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Speaker 3: It didn't start with me.

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Speaker 5: It started with the chair before me, who was chair

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Speaker 5: in a disastrous election. The twenty sixteen presidential election. Wisconsin

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Speaker 5: went for Trump, was the tipping point state for Trump,

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Speaker 5: and after that election, she said, we got to do

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Speaker 5: things differently. She had a business background and was like,

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Speaker 5: why do you shut down the business completely for two

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Speaker 5: years and then try to bring it back to life

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Speaker 5: for a few months before an election.

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Speaker 3: Is that no business operates that way except for Baby

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Speaker 3: Spirit Halloween. We can do better than that.

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Speaker 5: She went around looking for a model to do things differently,

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Speaker 5: and she found the Obama campaign model from twenty eight

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Speaker 5: and twenty twelve. That was the idea of not just

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Speaker 5: mobilization where you've asked people who already agree with you

657
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Speaker 5: to go do the thing, it's organizing where you actually

658
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Speaker 5: are hiring organizers way in advance of an election, to

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Speaker 5: have coffee with people, find leaders in their own neighborhoods,

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Speaker 5: their own friend groups who would read, to start teams

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Speaker 5: that then operate on a year run basis to talk

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Speaker 5: to people who aren't already on your side. And so

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Speaker 5: she and the state party set up neighborhood teams across

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Speaker 5: the country starting in twenty seventeen, and those grew and

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Speaker 5: grew and grew.

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Speaker 3: That spring.

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Speaker 5: In the Wisconsin state Supreme Court race, no Progressive candidate

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Speaker 5: even ran because everyone knew the Republicans had all the

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Speaker 5: money and all the power.

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Speaker 3: They won every supreme court race. It wasn't worth trying.

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Speaker 5: But by twenty eighteen, we had Rebecca Dallut running for

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Speaker 5: state Supreme Court, not a household name nationally, but a

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Speaker 5: hero in Wisconsin. And we had these neighborhood teams all

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Speaker 5: over the state knocking on doors talking to people, and

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Speaker 5: we won that election by ten percentage points, blew it

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Speaker 5: out of the water. That fall, I had come home

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Speaker 5: to start volunteering. I was living in DC at the time,

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Speaker 5: working for move On. I spent tons of time in

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Speaker 5: Wisconsin twenty eighteen, but I would go to the people's

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Speaker 5: living rooms where they were jammed with volunteers who'd been

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Speaker 5: there over and over and over, learning every block. In

682
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Speaker 5: places with apartment buildings, they knew on each floor someone

683
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Speaker 5: who had let them in so they could talk to

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Speaker 5: the people there. And that kind of grassroots and energy

685
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 5: helped Wisconsin to defeat Scott Walker, who had built this

686
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Speaker 5: machine not just with money and power the Coke's network,

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Speaker 5: but also by bringing all of our laws, changing the

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Speaker 5: laws to make his style of campaigning work.

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Speaker 3: But we beat him and it was a as.

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Speaker 5: In Wisconsin, you say, what do you call a victory

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Speaker 5: by more than one percentage point? A landslide? So that

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Speaker 5: was a Wisconsin landslide, one point one percentage point in

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Speaker 5: the in the governor's race. But it was the biggest

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Speaker 5: upset in the country that year. This juggernaut political juggernaut,

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Speaker 5: whod won three times, beaten a recall, had you know,

696
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Speaker 5: all the money and all this stuff on his side,

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Speaker 5: we're able to defeat him. It was after that that

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Speaker 5: I decided to run for state party chair and threw

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Speaker 5: myself in. So I'm proud of having helped to build

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Speaker 5: this infrastructure and support these folks locally, all across the

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Speaker 5: state and with our allies and partners.

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Speaker 3: But this is much more than any one person.

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Speaker 5: This is really a movement that made a collective decision

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Speaker 5: to fight and organize and communicate year round everywhere to

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Speaker 5: build a permanent campaign and that I think that's what

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Speaker 5: we need nationwide.

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Speaker 1: So it's not going to come nationwide, though, It's going

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Speaker 1: to come state by state because it has to. So

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Speaker 1: I'd love you to talk about states where you feel

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Speaker 1: like there's a Wisconsin like situation happening.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, and I totally agree. I argue that we need

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Speaker 5: fifty state strategies, not a fifty state strategy. In each

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Speaker 5: state there's a different path. Every state is its own laws,

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Speaker 5: they have different people run the elections in each state.

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Speaker 5: And this is one of my central obsessions right now.

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Speaker 5: All of us are horrified by the way that the

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00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 5: Trump and his allies are just slamming a battering ram

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Speaker 5: against the castle gates of democracy. They're trying to smash

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Speaker 5: the pieces of the idea that the public should choose

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Speaker 5: who holds power. But the most important line of defense

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Speaker 5: here it is in state governments. The Constitution says states

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Speaker 5: run elections, not the federal government, and That means that

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Speaker 5: if you have state and local leaders who actually believe

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Speaker 5: in democracy, they can withstand the things that Trump has

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Speaker 5: already been trying to do and is going to try

726
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Speaker 5: to do. There's a huge battles into the courts, but

727
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Speaker 5: there's also the moments when local officials say no, I'm

728
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Speaker 5: not going to turn over the voting roles to Donald Trump,

729
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Speaker 5: like I'm not going to allow ballot seizures. In my account,

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Speaker 5: that is a fight that is determined by who holds

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Speaker 5: local power.

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Speaker 3: So if we win.

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Speaker 5: These states, which I'm about to describe perier question, that's

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Speaker 5: how we prevent the collapse.

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Speaker 3: Of the democracy over these next several years.

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Speaker 5: So the first is Wisconsin, which I just want to

737
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Speaker 5: put a big flashing red light. A guy who tried

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Speaker 5: to overturn the twenty twenty election is running for governor

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Speaker 5: in Wisconsin right now. Tom Tiffany, he was in the House,

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Speaker 5: tried to reject the county of the electoral College votes.

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Speaker 3: He's we call him tariff Tom.

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Speaker 5: He's been with Trump on tariffs and everything else that

743
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Speaker 5: has raised people's prices, refusing to do anything about the

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Speaker 5: Iran war, which is making everything starting with groceries incredibly unaffordable.

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Speaker 5: Right now, If he wins, then we have a serious

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Speaker 5: threat that wisconstant governor certifies the presidential election. So whoever

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Speaker 5: folks might be supporting in our governor primary, join the

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Speaker 5: fight in the general election to make sure Tom Tiffany

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Speaker 5: does not become governor of our state.

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Speaker 1: And you have a late primary, just sign Michigan exactly

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Speaker 1: August eleventh. Why is your primary so late? And can

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Speaker 1: you move it to June?

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Speaker 3: It used to be in September. It is set in

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Speaker 3: state law.

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Speaker 5: The mechanics are difficult because the signatures to get on

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Speaker 5: the August primary are due in June. So if you

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Speaker 5: move those and it's complicated because we have a spring

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Speaker 5: election every year for state Supreme Court, it would have

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Speaker 5: to be done through statute, and the only way to change.

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Speaker 1: It would be super majority.

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Speaker 5: Well, if you had a majority in the state Assembly

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Speaker 5: and the state Senate and you had a governor and

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Speaker 5: they wanted to make an adjustment, they could have the

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Speaker 5: power to do that. But in some states the primary

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Speaker 5: is run by a political party. Wisconsin's not like that,

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Speaker 5: So we have this late at primary. Don't wait for

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Speaker 5: the primary, get involved right now, Join a neighborhood team

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Speaker 5: in Wisconsin. If you're here, but if you're anywhere in

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Speaker 5: the country, support the Democratic Party of Wisconsin. Support the

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Speaker 5: legis that of caucuses. They will be in the fight

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Speaker 5: no matter no matter what happens in the primary for

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Speaker 5: this fall in Wisconsin, it has to be in the

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Speaker 5: hands of someone who believes in democracy before we get

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Speaker 5: to twenty twenty eight. So start there, But then look

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Speaker 5: at Michigan and Pennsylvania could both become Democratic trifectas in

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Speaker 5: this collection cycle. Right now they have divided government in

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Speaker 5: both states, but the whole Blue Wall could become Democratic trifectas.

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Speaker 5: Could pass the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact.

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Speaker 1: It means that you would no longer have the electoral com.

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Speaker 5: It means essentially the Electoral College would ceremonially decide that

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Speaker 5: whoever won the popular vote was the winner of the

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Speaker 5: presidential election. Yes, and we're very close to having it

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Speaker 5: actually come into effect. So Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania all could

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Speaker 5: be Blue triff factors. Arizona can be a blue trifecta.

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Speaker 5: That is a state we have to really like Katie

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Speaker 5: Hobbs and then win a few state legislative seats in

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Speaker 5: each chamber and boom, you've got a fully blue Arizona

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Speaker 5: for the first time in decade, like I think, almost

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Speaker 5: a century, an incredibly long time total sea change. New

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Speaker 5: Hampshire right now is actually a Republican trifecta, and the

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Speaker 5: whole thing could flip. There's a very realistic path to

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Speaker 5: being able to turn. That was the state that Kamala

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Speaker 5: won by the smallest margin in twenty twenty four, but

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Speaker 5: it's totally in Republican control now. It is with Wisconsin,

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Speaker 5: one of the two hardest states to register to vote.

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Speaker 5: It has one of the worst set of voting laws.

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Speaker 5: That could become a solidly blue state instead of a

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Speaker 5: swing state based on what we do in the next

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Speaker 5: three months.

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Speaker 3: Here.

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Speaker 5: Georgia is a state where the state legislative maps are rigged.

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Speaker 5: But Keisha Lance Bottoms could win the governor's race along

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Speaker 5: with John Ossof and the Senate race, and if that happens,

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Speaker 5: it means so much for the entire country. Because they

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Speaker 5: have I think fifteen congressional seats fourteen and maybe about

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Speaker 5: to expand after the census. That state could be jerrymandered

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Speaker 5: for Republican control in the US House and ultra jerrymandered

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Speaker 5: in the state legislature if Republicans hold on to their

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00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 5: trifecta after this election. But Keisha Lance Bottoms will not

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Speaker 5: jerrymander the state for Republicans, so House control in twenty

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Speaker 5: eight matters. Also, what happens in the next presidential race

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Speaker 5: could run through Georgia. Having a divided government there would

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Speaker 5: really change the long term calculus for the whole country.

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Speaker 5: And we can see in battle after battle with the

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Speaker 5: ballad seizures that Trump is trying to do his you know,

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Speaker 5: his attacks on the twenty twenty election, in the US

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Speaker 5: center race, all this stuff he's obsessed with. Especially he's

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Speaker 5: furious about the idea of black voters in Georgia being

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Speaker 5: able to play a role in determining whol's power nationally.

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Speaker 5: But if Kisa Lance Bottoms becomes governor, makes a huge difference.

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Speaker 5: North Carolina has been read over and over presidential elections,

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Speaker 5: but there is a movement building from below. My friend

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Speaker 5: Anderson Clayton is the state party tier there has been

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Speaker 5: helping lead and build this extraordinary resurgence. They're their great

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Speaker 5: democratic governor an attorney general. They've broken the Republican's superin

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Speaker 5: majorities and the legislature. This fall, Anita Earls is running

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Speaker 5: for state Supreme Court. If she wins that race, there's

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Speaker 5: a path to getting a Democratic majority in the state

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Speaker 5: Supreme Court in North Carolina in twenty twenty eight, which

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Speaker 5: could again change the math on the US House and

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Speaker 5: House jerrymandering. That could change the future for things like

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Speaker 5: your challenges to election law. It's worth stepping back and

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Speaker 5: recognizing right now, the only reason why Mike Johnson is

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Speaker 5: the Speaker of the US House is because a far

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Speaker 5: right Republican won a state Supreme Court race in North

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Speaker 5: Carolina in twenty twenty by four hundred and one votes.

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Speaker 3: That election passed.

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Speaker 5: You know, most of the country was not paying attention,

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Speaker 5: but the right invested in that race. They pulled off

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Speaker 5: this victory, and the guy who won became the Chief

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Speaker 5: Justice and then rammed through a totally outrageous reversal of

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Speaker 5: a very recent Supreme Court decision to read jury manager

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Speaker 5: that state. And that's how the Goop got control. And

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Speaker 5: that's you know, I kind of map out in the

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Speaker 5: book the set of specific nodes in these states. Here

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Speaker 5: it's the state Supreme Court. Here, it's the Secretary of

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Speaker 5: State's race. Here, it's the state legislature. If we can

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Speaker 5: zero in on those, those are races that happen with

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Speaker 5: much less money, much less volunteer energy, much less national attention.

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Speaker 3: But they define the rules that shape.

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Speaker 5: The House, the Senate, the White House, the future of

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Speaker 5: the entire country. And that's you know, we've lived this

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Speaker 5: in Wisconsin. We can fight to win those races right now,

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Speaker 5: and if we can win, you can win a trifecta

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Speaker 5: in Minnesota. In Alaska, there's a real possibility of having

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Speaker 5: multi party coalitions in the legislative chambers and a Democratic

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Speaker 5: governor and Mary Peltolo the US Senate. So that's another

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Speaker 5: state that can become a lot bloomer. Iowa rob sand

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Speaker 5: totally clear shot and becoming governor and you can crack

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Speaker 5: the Republican majorities. Can't win majorities in the legislature, but

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Speaker 5: you could have a US Senator, a governor, an Attorney general,

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Speaker 5: three US House seats that we flip, plus a ton

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Speaker 5: of state legislative seats.

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Speaker 1: In Iowa, I'm obsessed with Iowa. Don't sleep on Iowa.

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Speaker 1: Turk is a great candidate and the Iowans seem very

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Speaker 1: very very mad. Between the farming and the cancer. They

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Speaker 1: seem matter than I've seen other red states.

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Speaker 5: They're furious Trump won, that's stayed by fourteen points, and

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Speaker 5: it could be a blue sweep across all these different

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Speaker 5: things this November. Trump is going to try to disrupt

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Speaker 5: and mess with all of this. So we want to win,

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Speaker 5: you want to make it too big to steal, but

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Speaker 5: these state level fights. Step one is winning control of states,

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Speaker 5: breaking unified Republican control and winning unified democratic control wherever

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Speaker 5: we can. And if we're able to pull that off now,

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Speaker 5: it has such a giant effect for the kind of endgame,

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Speaker 5: which is what happens in twenty twenty eight and whether

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Speaker 5: this MAGA movement can do what ORBN did for for

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Speaker 5: a long time, which is to prevent democracy from taking

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Speaker 5: hold finally swept out of power, or whether these four

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Speaker 5: years can be the moment we hit bottom and then

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Speaker 5: we bounce back. And to me, you know, the stakes

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Speaker 5: are enormous about all that. The other side of this

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Speaker 5: is that while we do all this targeted work on

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Speaker 5: you know, winning in the places where a little extra

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Speaker 5: push can have this huge impact, it's about actually having

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Speaker 5: fun and finding friends and building community and turning this

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Speaker 5: into something that's the source of joy, not just a

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Speaker 5: way to deal with the massive political anxiety people feel.

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Speaker 5: Because building a movement, it actually succeeds when it becomes

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Speaker 5: something that people want to be part of. And I

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Speaker 5: think sometimes we, especially if we spend too much time online,

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Speaker 5: we enjoy a lot of circular flic firing squads on

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Speaker 5: the democratic side of things.

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Speaker 3: But actually, you.

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Speaker 5: Know, I met my wife, or I've fall in love

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Speaker 5: with my wife putting up posters for a protest. So

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Speaker 5: many people fall in love, find their best friends, find

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Speaker 5: the people that they're gonna you know, share memories with

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Speaker 5: when they're in their nineties and nursing homes in political

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Speaker 5: movements and political struggle and organizing it. I want that

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Speaker 5: experience for as many people as possible. I want all

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Speaker 5: your listeners to find someone who they either fall in

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Speaker 5: love with or become friends for life with because they

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Speaker 5: knocked on a door together, or because they you know,

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Speaker 5: did some organizing together and experienced the joy that comes

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Speaker 5: from actually taking action and winning. And I think that's

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Speaker 5: one of the things we can do to address this

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Speaker 5: deeper crisis of isolation. Isolation and loneliness and doom scrolling.

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Speaker 3: That is.

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Speaker 5: I think part of the rocks underneath our political system

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Speaker 5: is the sense that everyone's on their own, and we

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Speaker 5: have to break through that to get to a country

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Speaker 5: where we're in this together.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you for joining us, thank you.

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Speaker 3: For having me, and I hope, I hope you'll enjoy reading.

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Speaker 5: This is the plan how to end America's melt out

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Speaker 5: and save democracy.

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Speaker 1: No moment, Rick Wilson, Hey, Mollie, what is your moment

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Speaker 1: of fuckery?

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Speaker 4: You know, my moment of fuckery was if you think

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Speaker 4: the corruption has reached the mountaintop of all corruption, if

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Speaker 4: you think the mount everest of shady insider dealing in

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Speaker 4: the Trump administration has reached the peak, You're always wrong.

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Speaker 4: It's always going to be something higher. And this week

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Speaker 4: we learned that truth Social is now going to sell

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Speaker 4: a special access package to hedge fund investment houses, investment

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Speaker 4: banking firms so that they get an advanced notice of

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Speaker 4: tweets coming from Trump about anything that could move the market.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's going to cost five hundred thousand dollars

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Speaker 4: a month. It's a great grift if you can get it.

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Speaker 1: It's funny because it's like it's like data minor, remember

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Speaker 1: that service where they would mine all the day, you know,

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Speaker 1: where they go around and pick stuff up. It is

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Speaker 1: that free high frequency trader service.

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Speaker 4: The same say, yeah, you've got to be a company

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Speaker 4: with the ability to do HFT right in the back end.

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Speaker 4: So these guys will have their AI models getting that

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Speaker 4: feed off a true social a minute or two minutes

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Speaker 4: or three seconds or however long it is before Trump

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Speaker 4: says it publicly, and they're going to make shit tons

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Speaker 4: of money off of it because it's I mean, it's like,

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Speaker 4: how do you charge somebody with insider trading when it's

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Speaker 4: the president running the insider trading racket?

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Speaker 1: Right? And this is the kind of thing that is

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Speaker 1: going to is going to get kicked out of court, right,

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Speaker 1: They're never going to the courts are never going to

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Speaker 1: let them do this, and they're going it's going to

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Speaker 1: end up getting kicked up to the Supreme Court, and

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Speaker 1: the Supreme War is going to have to decide whether

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Speaker 1: they want the President to be able to literally, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's so funny because at every point this White House

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Speaker 1: is going to push the Supreme Court to have to

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Speaker 1: decide whether or not he's the King. I think he's

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Speaker 1: not going to be happy with what they decide. I

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Speaker 1: think it'll be closer than any of us think it

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Speaker 1: should be. But ultimately I think there's five votes for

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Speaker 1: he doesn't get to just yeah.

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Speaker 4: And I'm MOI I also think. I also think there

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Speaker 4: are going to be some of these firms that say, hmm,

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Speaker 4: what if there's a real SEC again one day?

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Speaker 1: Right, there's a seven year look back.

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Speaker 4: For insider trading. Last I checked, and nobody wants the

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Speaker 4: orange jumpsuit.

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Speaker 1: Nobody wants nobody wants.

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Speaker 4: The OEM, although Andrew Tape might want an orange jumpsuit

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Speaker 4: as long as the pants are capre pants.

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Speaker 1: That's right, midriff airing orange jumpsuit.

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Speaker 4: Good lord, all right, thanks.

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Speaker 1: Be That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune

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Speaker 1: in every Monday, Wednesday, Thursday and Saturday to hear the

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Speaker 1: best minds and politics make sense of all this chaos.

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Speaker 1: friend and keep the conversation going. Thanks for listening.