WEBVTT - The Bonus Willie Taggart EmergiPod 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:01.960 All right, hello and welcome. 0:00:02.600 --> 0:00:05.000 This is what we call on the solid verbal, a 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:08.360 bit of an emergent pod in case you're listening, in 0:00:08.400 --> 0:00:11.680 case you're unaware of why we're doing a show on 0:00:11.720 --> 0:00:14.960 a Tuesday evening. No, it's not in lieu of any 0:00:15.040 --> 0:00:17.640 show on a Wednesday evening. It's because we've got major 0:00:17.680 --> 0:00:20.320 breaking news. I can play the sound later, but we 0:00:20.360 --> 0:00:23.480 should talk about what's transpired in the world of college football. 0:00:24.000 --> 0:00:26.560 The big news of the day, Dan, your boy Willie 0:00:26.600 --> 0:00:30.600 Taggert leaving Oregon after a seven and five season only 0:00:30.680 --> 0:00:34.200 three hundred and sixty one days on the job. He has, 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:37.680 in fact decided to return to his home state of 0:00:37.680 --> 0:00:39.720 Florida and take over at Florida State. 0:00:40.159 --> 0:00:43.559 How are you feeling? A lot of things? Ty, are 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:48.839 going going through my tiny little noodle. I feel okay. 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:51.639 I feel there's a part of me because this has 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:54.880 been in the works for a few days. It seems right. 0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:59.360 So I've been able to process things in the college 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:02.440 football part of my brain. I think pretty well and 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:07.680 sort of compartmentalize what I think of his extraordinary, extraordinarily 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:13.320 short tenure in Eugene and what Oregon can and should 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:17.240 do moving forward. And just the sort of bigger picture, 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:19.280 like how I would have looked at something like this 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:21.240 happening had I not been an Oregon fan. 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:21.640 Sure. 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:24.399 Sure, we sort of looked at with Lane Kiffin and 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:29.080 Tennessee leaving a really big program to go to the 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:33.480 quote dream job. Yeah, the dream jan Sure, the short 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:36.200 idea of Todd Graham going to pit for a year 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:38.919 and leaving for Arizona State in a very short amount 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:42.440 of time, and so like thinking about how I looked 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:46.640 at those instances and now sort of making peace with 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:50.000 it happening at my school. It's been interesting. 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:52.880 It's well, look, it's not a surprise, right, because we've 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:57.160 heard rumors about this. This stems back to gosh, this 0:01:57.280 --> 0:02:01.320 goes back even before the Jimbo Fisher rumors. But Jimbo Fisher, 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:03.080 this is sort of what brought it all on. Right, 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:05.279 if he's still at Florida State, there's not an opening 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:08.680 in Tallahassee. Jimbo Fisher was rumored to be interested in 0:02:08.720 --> 0:02:11.799 A and M. That's when we started hearing rumblings about, well, 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:15.839 if in fact Jimbo leaves and takes some deal, maybe 0:02:15.919 --> 0:02:17.680 not as big as the one he took in college 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:22.200 station which direction would Florida State look. The obvious answer 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:26.720 that everyone seemed to gravitate towards was Willie Taggert. He's 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:31.840 a Florida guy. He's done wonders at Western Kentucky at USF, 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:35.080 He's familiar with the area. He seems like a natural 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:38.480 fit for Florida State. If the position is open, perhaps 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:40.000 that's the direction they would look. 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:40.280 Now. 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:44.239 The one hurdle, at least logically, that seemed to stand 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:46.440 in the way of that was the fact that he 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:49.440 just got to Oregon and he was doing well at Oregon. 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:52.600 He's a good coach, and though he's got a forty 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:55.920 seven and fifty record as a head football coach, he 0:02:56.040 --> 0:02:59.120 is regarded around the college football ether as someone who 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:00.800 could turn to turn things around quickly. 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:05.000 Now here we are, the news has broken. 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:08.920 Despite the fact that Willie tagger tweeted out late on 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:12.760 I Guess Saturday night now that he was looking forward 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:14.919 to getting back out there on the road and building 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:19.200 towards twenty eighteen as an Oregon duck lo and behold, 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:21.640 it's broken that he is going to jump back to Florida. 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:23.880 He is going to take that Florida State job and 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:26.200 a big part of the reason why we're doing this show, 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:30.280 Dan is because even though we cover college football, we 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:32.920 are fans at heart as well, and so I'm hoping 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:36.920 that we can use however long this goes to not 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:40.240 only help you process, but maybe a bit of a 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:43.800 cathartic experience for you. We're going to have Jeff Schwartz 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:46.520 on yeah a little bit. I know he's your texting 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:48.600 buddy during some of these Oregon football games. We're going 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:52.400 to get his response as well. So yeah, let's just 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:55.920 use the space however we see fit. I care first 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:58.720 and foremost about you, though, Daniel, I really think you, 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:04.160 so I would back up to the start of this 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:06.760 just in terms of how I'm thinking about it, because 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:10.960 Willie Taggart came in with the reputation of a rebuilder, 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:16.480 a restructurer, a reinvigorator, a recruiter, so all the res 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:18.600 and so under the guise of that, he came into 0:04:18.680 --> 0:04:21.680 Oregon immediately filled out a recruiting class that was sort 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:25.320 of decimated after Mark Helfrich was fired with kids from Florida, 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:27.960 but also had and here's one of the things I 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:31.160 think when you're a little bit angry and sad that 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:32.919 your coach has left for another job. 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:36.039 What looks to be a better job is that you 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:39.080 maybe tend to gloss over the parts you didn't like 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:42.479 and just think about the recruiting and how good Oregon 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:45.440 looked when Justin Herbert was healthy and the general hope 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:47.880 that Oregon had that they were back on their path 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:50.400 to success. But the fact is when he arrived it 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:54.120 was pretty rocky. His co offensive coordinator got a DUI 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:57.560 pretty quickly into his time in Eugene and was let go. 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:00.159 They lost another assistant who I think was also in 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:02.359 that car to UCLA, and that was sort of I 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:04.919 think he was sort of pushed out and then he 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:08.479 had the rabdo thing with his strength coach, and that 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:11.400 sort of poorly reflected it was. It was rocky at 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:14.479 the beginning, wasn't it. It was rocky? Yeah, And he 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:18.720 he as a figurehead, looked very raw dealing with public 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:21.200 perception he had. You know, he got into the fight 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:23.320 with Andrew Griefe. I think is how he has his 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:26.120 last name, I always forget, the Oregonian beat writer, and 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:28.080 he was saying I'm not going to talk to him anymore. 0:05:28.400 --> 0:05:31.919 He was It was a very raw beginning to his tenure, 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:34.920 and that was a little unusual considering he had been 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:38.440 a head coach before at USF and Western Kentucky and 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:41.479 then hired super well. You know, that's sort of highlighted 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:44.960 by Mario Christoval and Jim Levitt, who did a great job. 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:48.360 Spring was fine. You know inherits a very promising young 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:51.359 quarterback in justin Herbert summer. You know, recruiting is you know, 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:54.160 you have excitement around Oregon, which is sort of how 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:58.120 the program is structured that you have certain programs, you 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:01.480 you know, Michigan, Notre Dame, Alabama who can sell tradition 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:04.320 and this is what you know, these legends did at 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:07.960 our program throughout the century of college football. And you 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:10.280 go other places and it's like, here's the blue collar 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:12.760 we have a lunch box on our sideline. Like Oregon 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:16.560 marketed itself wisely so as sort of an outsider, as 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:21.359 exciting and fresh and flashy whatever. And so Willie Taggart 0:06:21.520 --> 0:06:25.000 as a younger guy, somebody who's very active on social media, 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:27.880 somebody who recruited very well, and there were hashtags, there 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:29.600 were all sorts of pictures of him. I don't know 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:31.480 if you ever saw those pictures of him holding up 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:33.720 like half an O with one hand and a recruit 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:36.039 holding up you know, half an O with the other hand, 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:37.560 and they put it together in some sort of like 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:40.760 Captain Planety type way. Yeah, but there were there were 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:43.240 those things, you know, there were there. They were just 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:47.480 very active in ways that you know, Mark Helfrich and 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:50.200 Chip Kelly and Mike Bolatti certainly were not and that 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:53.279 was great that. I think that was a refreshing thing 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:57.359 for Oregon. So there is this sense that he is 0:06:57.400 --> 0:07:01.040 somebody who himself is excited about about being in Eugene 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:04.480 and excited about building something towards the future. And when 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:07.560 he leaves, you're sort of left with the like, we 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:11.120 get it, but you feel a little bit played and 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:13.480 how much of it was and he was doing it 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:16.960 while negotiating or his agent was negotiating with Florida State, 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:18.640 so it leaves you a little chapped, right. 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:20.920 Well, there are so many Tailor Swift songs that we 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:23.560 could apply to this. I think it goes without saying, 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:25.000 and you can bring up a picture. I know it's 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:28.280 a little bit off topic, but my favorite subplot in 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:32.200 this whole Willy Taggart drama has been the constant reuse 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:37.000 of a non Willy Taggart photo that apparently was mislabeled. 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:39.000 Oh yeah, Michael Johnson, the wide receivers coach. That's been 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:42.320 my favorite subplot. But you're right, and look, here's the thing. 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:45.760 I haven't been there recently, but lord knows, we've covered 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:49.120 plenty of these coaching searches and plenty of fan bases. 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:52.280 In their reaction to these coaching searches, people tend to 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:54.800 go a little bit out of their gourd because, yeah, 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:57.840 there is this natural score, and there is this natural 0:07:57.880 --> 0:08:00.000 feeling of oh, we got play. 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:02.640 I guess where I go next. 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:05.520 Just as someone who maybe doesn't have a skin in 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:08.520 this game, but I think where a lot of fans 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:11.440 would go when a coach leaves to go to another 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:14.760 position is, oh my god, are we now a stepping 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:15.360 stone job? 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:16.080 Right? 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:18.920 Okay, Oregon's done a really good job in the last 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:21.640 decade building up that football program. But whenever you have 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:25.000 a situation where a guy goes elsewhere to no doubt, 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:28.440 a more traditional power in Florida State, I think that's 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:30.960 a question that deep down, as a fan, you're asking yourself, 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:33.160 is that something that you've thought. 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:36.480 Of sort of not necessarily in the context of just 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:39.800 the clean and cut stepping stone thing, but thinking about 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:43.440 the challenges of succeeding at a place like Oregon that 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:46.600 is far away from and even though the recruiting has 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:49.199 gotten better, the talent has gotten better in the Pacific Northwest. 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:52.240 One of the other issues is it's not necessarily always 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:55.520 the playing talent, but it's the coaching talent. And you 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:57.920 can attract coaches to the West Coast, I think in 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:00.240 the short term if they're not from the West Coast, 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:03.200 so if they're from the Midwest, from the south. I mean, 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:06.360 Chip Kelly was unique because from the Northeast, and so 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:10.400 there wasn't necessarily a tie to a major college football 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:13.640 region because that upper part of the Northeast. You know, 0:09:13.679 --> 0:09:16.040 he's from New Hampshire, so like Vermont and Maine, and 0:09:16.240 --> 0:09:19.320 you know, apologies to Connecticut and New York, but they're 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:21.960 not they're not hotbeds. They're not I have to return 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:25.000 home and play in front of the adoring college football masses. 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:28.360 So that was that seems like an exception. And so 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:31.360 Mike Bollati is from I believe he's from California. Chris 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:34.560 Peterson's from the West coast, Clay Helton is not. And 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:36.920 you know, certainly now Chip Kelly has football routes on 0:09:36.960 --> 0:09:38.920 the West coast at UCLA, and rich Rod is not. 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:41.120 But you know, came to Arizona on the sort of 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:46.920 descending part of his star after Michigan, and I don't 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:48.760 even know what to make of herm Edwards, So I'm 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:51.800 not even gonna But like Kyle Whittingsham is local to Utah, 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:55.880 So in bringing somebody like Willie Taggart across the country, 0:09:56.120 --> 0:09:58.000 even with his couple of years at Stanford, is a 0:09:58.000 --> 0:10:02.319 pretty calculated risk. So I don't think Oregon is a 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:06.120 stepping stone job. But I think Oregon is a very 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:11.280 good job, made very good by a very good specific coach. 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:16.520 And I don't think it stands alone like Notre Dame, Michigan, Alabama, Auburn, 0:10:16.600 --> 0:10:19.040 Florida State, Florida, Miami. You know what I'm saying that 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:23.439 it doesn't necessarily you can't say Oregon is a special 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:28.480 job for anybody because it's still far away from where 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:31.000 a lot of coaches come from. And I was thinking 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:33.120 about and I went through all the Power five schools, 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:35.520 like how many West people that grew up on the 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:39.120 West Coast have gone east or to the south or 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:43.640 midwest whatever to a big job actively currently and it's 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:47.760 basically just Derek Mason at Vanderbilt, which not a big job. 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:52.960 Apologies to the Doors and Tom Herman to Texas and 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:57.520 that's it, right, yeah, right, And so that's just a challenge. 0:10:57.600 --> 0:10:59.400 I love the West Coast. I wish everybody loved the 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:01.959 West Coast and had to have the ability to spend 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:04.800 time there. But it is, you know, I hate the phrase, 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:09.280 but that is what that is. So it's it's not 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:12.600 a stepping stone job job, but it is a tricky 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:18.880 job made great by the correct, great candidate coach. That's 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:20.560 that's how I sort of feel about it, if that 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:22.679 makes sense. Here's what I want you to do. 0:11:23.080 --> 0:11:28.080 Yeah, I want you to remove the I guess normal 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:30.040 guardrails that you and I put up when we do 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:35.360 a podcast where we're familiar, intimately familiar with the fact 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:38.240 that we've got different makes and models of fans listening 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:38.840 to our show. 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:40.719 I just want you to be an Oregon fan now. 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:43.280 And I want you to vent. Yeah, I want you 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:43.640 to vent. 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:46.400 I want you to talk to me like you talk 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:50.360 to people on text message. I want I want, I 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:53.960 want the pure raw nerve here to come through, because 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:56.520 again we are fans like this happens to our teams too. 0:11:57.000 --> 0:12:00.920 Just because it hasn't happened to Notre Dame doesn't mean 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:02.120 it won't happen soon. 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:06.319 Well, you've had Notre Dame emotions. I mean you've had emotions, 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:10.360 but bad extensions, not in the coaching realm, and not recently. 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:13.440 Not to say recently, but I mean I can bring 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:15.640 up Charlie Weiss, I can bring up Ty Whittingham, I 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:17.560 can bring up Bob Davey, and I think there's still 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:18.360 open wounds there. 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:21.120 Let me pull a Mark McGuire man. I'm not here 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:23.960 to talk about the past. I'm here to talk about this. 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:25.320 Let's talk organ What do. 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:26.000 You want to talk about? 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:28.120 I want you to be raw and unfettered here. 0:12:28.200 --> 0:12:33.440 So my general opinion is Oregon needs to hire somebody 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:36.160 who fits. Doesn't have to be the Willie Mold in 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:40.040 terms of being young and you know, crazy on social 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:43.320 media and bringing in a top three, five seven class 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:47.240 or whatever. But the Prospect and our pal Bruce Feldman 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:50.480 tweeted this out of bringing in Jim McElwain or Mike 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:54.080 Leach or I saw Jeff Hedford, all of them who 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:58.559 have done good, interesting things relatively recently at schools of 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:01.920 varying size. That's fine. But to me, if you are 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:05.280 going to project yourself in that way Oregon, in Oregon's way, 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:08.600 you have to bring in somebody or you know, maintain 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:12.040 a relationship with somebody like Mario Cristobal that I think 0:13:12.080 --> 0:13:14.440 I'd be okay with, you know, Kevin, someone is out 0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:18.720 there and it doesn't excite me in a way that 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:22.400 you know, it's it's impossible because like I'm still deeply 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:24.280 in love with the Chip Kelly era and I can't 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:27.719 tell you I'm not. So I need to be convinced, ty, 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:30.760 I need to be wowed. I need to be showed 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:33.520 the love that I want to that I want to feel. 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:35.800 And it's just a girl in the world. He needs one, 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:38.440 just a girl in the world. So No, here's honestly 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:41.839 what I think is, Oregon needs to spend money. They 0:13:41.880 --> 0:13:43.600 need to give money to a head coach. They need 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:48.400 to open the coffers for the assistant pool and they 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:51.040 somehow and you know, the Oregon had the advance, all 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:53.600 the advantages in the world in terms of continuity before 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:55.840 and having you know, Mike Bloody and his staff, and 0:13:55.880 --> 0:13:58.560 that carried over with Chip Kelly and Mark Helfrich and 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:01.400 they could sort of break about that, they could recruit 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:04.400 to the fact that these guys aren't leaving, and now 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:08.400 they've regressed to the mean they you know, having three 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:11.560 head coaches. I suppose in a year right with uh 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:14.360 with with hell Fritch, Taggart and whoever is going to 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:18.400 come in or stay in Eugene. That's rough. You're gonna 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:20.800 lose guys, and that sucks, and that sucks for and 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:24.520 I honestly like the like people tweeting, man, how do 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:26.280 you fault Mark? How do you excuse me? How do 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:28.600 you fault Willy Taggart for going home? How do you 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:30.720 fault to the job has only come open once in 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:35.000 forty years. He's gonna make five million dollars to coach football. Like, 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:38.040 let's not. I don't have Willy Taggart on my fantasy 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:41.600 Happy four team. Like there are there are guys getting 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:44.360 their heads bashed in because Willy Taggart told them to 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:47.560 fly from Florida to Oregon to play for him. Oregon's 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:52.600 very different from Florida, and so it sucks and I 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:55.280 I have a lot of shortcomings. And when I think 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:58.000 about it like that, like when I look back at 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:01.560 how I felt about lanekiff and leaving Tennessee or Todd 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:04.480 Graham leaving Pitt, I don't think we and I can 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:07.640 only speak to myself spend enough time saying, Man, that 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:09.960 sucks for those dudes on that team who wanted to 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:13.200 play for Todd Grammer Lane Kiffin. That sucks that they're 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:15.880 just left in the lurch again twice in a year. 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:19.840 So that's what like to me, It's like, man, Willy 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:21.920 Taggert abandoned a lot of dudes. 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:24.880 I'm not an Oregon fan. I'm a college football fan. 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:27.760 If my team ended up hiring Jeff Tedford, even though 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:30.240 he's done a really good job at Fresno, yeah, I'd 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:32.360 put my hand through the wall in front of course, 0:15:33.160 --> 0:15:36.000 I go right through. That just does not have the 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:39.840 sex appeal. Mario Cristoball is a good coach. By all 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:43.280 County's a good coach. He's the interim coach now for 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:47.600 this Las Vegas ball that Oregan's got coming up against 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:51.840 Boise Mary. Christoball doesn't have the sex appeal of a 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:54.480 Willy Taggert. Might be a good hire, might end up 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:57.600 working out if he's the guy, but you can't help 0:15:57.640 --> 0:15:59.480 but feel a little underwhelmed if he's the guy who's 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:00.080 named you. 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:02.240 Know, Christaball was let go, and you know, some people 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:04.520 look at, you know, the relationship that Christaball had with 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:07.960 the ad and said that, like Chrystaball is unfairly marred 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:11.520 by the experience of what happened at FIU. I'm at 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:14.560 the point where I just want to be able to 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:16.600 look at the Willy Taggart era for what it was 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:19.960 and then figure out what's best moving forward, because obviously 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:22.360 what I think is so important. But no, I mean, 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:24.640 at the same time of all of this, of being 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:27.440 let down by you know, all of the like enthusiasm 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:31.440 unknown to mankind and hashtag do something, and like all 0:16:31.480 --> 0:16:36.840 of these like platitudes that turned out to be very temporary. 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:40.400 I would like to see, like Willy Taggart went seven 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:44.239 and five, his starting quarterback got hurt, and Oregon was dreadful. 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:47.320 They were very bad on offense. They really could not 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:49.640 get it together. They beat Utah, otherwise they were really 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:52.440 bad against some pretty average teams in Washington, who is 0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:56.320 very good most of the time. So I'm not This 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:59.720 isn't losing Chip Kelly to Florida State. It's not losing 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:02.400 Mike lottyt to UCLA when he interviewed but didn't go. 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:06.480 So I want to be very careful about Like Willie Taggart, 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:07.880 there was a lot of hope, there was a lot 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:10.879 of good that we saw hopefully in the future, but 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:14.320 it didn't accomplish a ton. So look, here's what we're 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:14.679 gonna do. 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:20.040 We're gonna call your texting buddy, Jeff Schwartz, former Oregon Duck, 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:23.440 former offensive lineman in the NFL, and I just want 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:24.080 to sit back. 0:17:23.960 --> 0:17:26.960 And listen to you too. Really have a few minutes 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:34.199 if that's okay, Yeah, Jeff, just let me know what 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:36.160 you're thinking right now, what is going through your head. 0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:44.240 I'm not that disappointed, considering this is basically the only 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:46.720 job what I felt Taggart would lead by a way 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:49.080 for it needs to be his dream job. I'm just 0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:51.600 more upset that Jim Levett might be done cheating and 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:55.280 the recruiting class that he's built up he's also probably 0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:57.600 gonna leave. And I just never felt that organ would 0:17:57.600 --> 0:18:00.520 be a program to how to coach there one year 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:03.359 and now we're another upheaval and I was really excited 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:05.600 with the direction of the program. Now I don't know 0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:06.119 how to feel. 0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:09.679 And you never when you were at Oregon, there was 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:12.520 never like a major major change. There was an assistant 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:15.480 or coordinator swapping out. Chip Kelly came for your for 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:18.280 your senior year. But what at this point, when there 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:22.040 is like two changes in a year, what is what 0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:25.960 is it? What do you guess it's like around a program? 0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:27.800 Well, you have to start over. And that's why I 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:29.679 think they're really going to hire from within, because they 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:32.040 don't want to start over again. The cryst of Ball 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:34.240 seems like a natural fit at least for now. Maybe 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:36.960 he doesn't do well. Maybe he does. But you have 0:18:37.040 --> 0:18:39.440 to change everything about your program, even me head coach 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:41.760 and me, he's just as simple as changing the slogan, 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:43.359 right they went from when the they to do something, 0:18:44.160 --> 0:18:48.040 it's just totally everything. Everything is different. You have to 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:51.200 change teams again, maybe have to recreat differently. In this way, 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:53.280 if you hire from within, you don't do very much 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:54.400 to change it. 0:18:54.480 --> 0:18:55.320 Is that your preference? 0:18:57.280 --> 0:18:58.760 I think at this point, I mean the names of 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:03.080 the turnout already. Jess, Jeff Hedford pass on that Mike Leach. 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:05.720 As much as I love Mike Lynch as far as 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:08.160 him in the media and what he says, I don't 0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:11.200 think he's a sad all I'll ever see Rgan getting 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:15.240 to part off with Mike leachester head coach novel. Just 0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:19.800 I would Memphis, yep, I just I think Wayne Chiffin's 0:19:19.880 --> 0:19:24.040 probably not gonna be hired by Oregan' a guy that 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:30.359 go after. I saw will Cox possibly even well at 0:19:30.359 --> 0:19:34.480 Cal this year. But I don't know, really, no really 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:36.600 excite me, all right? 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:40.560 And so if if it is Christaball hypothetically, what is 0:19:40.600 --> 0:19:43.359 it about the makeup up and you've played for a 0:19:43.400 --> 0:19:46.439 lot a number of offensive line coaches, both college and 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:49.760 in the pros, what is there specifically about an offensive 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:52.720 line coach when he is an offensive coordinator, when he 0:19:52.800 --> 0:19:56.320 is a head coach. Is there something specific to that 0:19:56.440 --> 0:19:59.800 sort of makeup of a coach that either is good 0:19:59.920 --> 0:20:01.800 or are not so good? For a head coach. 0:20:03.640 --> 0:20:06.200 Well as an offensive line coach, at least from schematically, 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:08.800 you have to know almost everything. I think people believe 0:20:08.800 --> 0:20:10.600 that we just have to know the run game and whatnot, 0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:13.439 But typically you have to know a lot more about 0:20:13.440 --> 0:20:16.600 the offense than the other posish coaches a wide receiver. 0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:22.800 Coaches don't know what what the officiat is doing. And 0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:26.000 this defense is well for almost a semantic point if 0:20:26.080 --> 0:20:31.560 you like it, as far as just some personality offensive lineman. 0:20:31.560 --> 0:20:34.119 And we have to work harder. Yet we are at 0:20:34.160 --> 0:20:37.000 certain points of our life, you know, we get along 0:20:37.000 --> 0:20:40.040 with this. Everybody we have that really that that work 0:20:40.080 --> 0:20:43.639