1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:01,960 Speaker 1: All right, hello and welcome. 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 2: This is what we call on the solid verbal, a 3 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 2: bit of an emergent pod in case you're listening, in 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 2: case you're unaware of why we're doing a show on 5 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 2: a Tuesday evening. No, it's not in lieu of any 6 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 2: show on a Wednesday evening. It's because we've got major 7 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 2: breaking news. I can play the sound later, but we 8 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 2: should talk about what's transpired in the world of college football. 9 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 2: The big news of the day, Dan, your boy Willie 10 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 2: Taggert leaving Oregon after a seven and five season only 11 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 2: three hundred and sixty one days on the job. He has, 12 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 2: in fact decided to return to his home state of 13 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 2: Florida and take over at Florida State. 14 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 1: How are you feeling? A lot of things? Ty, are 15 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 1: going going through my tiny little noodle. I feel okay. 16 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:51,639 Speaker 1: I feel there's a part of me because this has 17 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: been in the works for a few days. It seems right. 18 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: So I've been able to process things in the college 19 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: football part of my brain. I think pretty well and 20 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 1: sort of compartmentalize what I think of his extraordinary, extraordinarily 21 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 1: short tenure in Eugene and what Oregon can and should 22 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: do moving forward. And just the sort of bigger picture, 23 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: like how I would have looked at something like this 24 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: happening had I not been an Oregon fan. 25 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 3: Sure. 26 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 1: Sure, we sort of looked at with Lane Kiffin and 27 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: Tennessee leaving a really big program to go to the 28 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 1: quote dream job. Yeah, the dream jan Sure, the short 29 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: idea of Todd Graham going to pit for a year 30 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,919 Speaker 1: and leaving for Arizona State in a very short amount 31 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: of time, and so like thinking about how I looked 32 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: at those instances and now sort of making peace with 33 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: it happening at my school. It's been interesting. 34 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 2: It's well, look, it's not a surprise, right, because we've 35 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 2: heard rumors about this. This stems back to gosh, this 36 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 2: goes back even before the Jimbo Fisher rumors. But Jimbo Fisher, 37 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 2: this is sort of what brought it all on. Right, 38 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:05,279 Speaker 2: if he's still at Florida State, there's not an opening 39 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 2: in Tallahassee. Jimbo Fisher was rumored to be interested in 40 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 2: A and M. That's when we started hearing rumblings about, well, 41 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,839 Speaker 2: if in fact Jimbo leaves and takes some deal, maybe 42 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 2: not as big as the one he took in college 43 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 2: station which direction would Florida State look. The obvious answer 44 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 2: that everyone seemed to gravitate towards was Willie Taggert. He's 45 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 2: a Florida guy. He's done wonders at Western Kentucky at USF, 46 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 2: He's familiar with the area. He seems like a natural 47 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 2: fit for Florida State. If the position is open, perhaps 48 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 2: that's the direction they would look. 49 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: Now. 50 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:44,239 Speaker 2: The one hurdle, at least logically, that seemed to stand 51 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 2: in the way of that was the fact that he 52 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 2: just got to Oregon and he was doing well at Oregon. 53 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 2: He's a good coach, and though he's got a forty 54 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 2: seven and fifty record as a head football coach, he 55 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 2: is regarded around the college football ether as someone who 56 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 2: could turn to turn things around quickly. 57 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: Now here we are, the news has broken. 58 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 2: Despite the fact that Willie tagger tweeted out late on 59 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 2: I Guess Saturday night now that he was looking forward 60 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 2: to getting back out there on the road and building 61 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 2: towards twenty eighteen as an Oregon duck lo and behold, 62 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 2: it's broken that he is going to jump back to Florida. 63 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 2: He is going to take that Florida State job and 64 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 2: a big part of the reason why we're doing this show, 65 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 2: Dan is because even though we cover college football, we 66 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 2: are fans at heart as well, and so I'm hoping 67 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 2: that we can use however long this goes to not 68 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 2: only help you process, but maybe a bit of a 69 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 2: cathartic experience for you. We're going to have Jeff Schwartz 70 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 2: on yeah a little bit. I know he's your texting 71 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 2: buddy during some of these Oregon football games. We're going 72 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 2: to get his response as well. So yeah, let's just 73 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 2: use the space however we see fit. I care first 74 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 2: and foremost about you, though, Daniel, I really think you, 75 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 2: so I would back up to the start of this 76 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 2: just in terms of how I'm thinking about it, because 77 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 2: Willie Taggart came in with the reputation of a rebuilder, 78 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 2: a restructurer, a reinvigorator, a recruiter, so all the res 79 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 2: and so under the guise of that, he came into 80 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 2: Oregon immediately filled out a recruiting class that was sort 81 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 2: of decimated after Mark Helfrich was fired with kids from Florida, 82 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 2: but also had and here's one of the things I 83 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 2: think when you're a little bit angry and sad that 84 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:32,919 Speaker 2: your coach has left for another job. 85 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 1: What looks to be a better job is that you 86 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: maybe tend to gloss over the parts you didn't like 87 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 1: and just think about the recruiting and how good Oregon 88 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: looked when Justin Herbert was healthy and the general hope 89 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: that Oregon had that they were back on their path 90 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: to success. But the fact is when he arrived it 91 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: was pretty rocky. His co offensive coordinator got a DUI 92 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: pretty quickly into his time in Eugene and was let go. 93 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,159 Speaker 1: They lost another assistant who I think was also in 94 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,359 Speaker 1: that car to UCLA, and that was sort of I 95 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,919 Speaker 1: think he was sort of pushed out and then he 96 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 1: had the rabdo thing with his strength coach, and that 97 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: sort of poorly reflected it was. It was rocky at 98 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 1: the beginning, wasn't it. It was rocky? Yeah, And he 99 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 1: he as a figurehead, looked very raw dealing with public 100 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: perception he had. You know, he got into the fight 101 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: with Andrew Griefe. I think is how he has his 102 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: last name, I always forget, the Oregonian beat writer, and 103 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: he was saying I'm not going to talk to him anymore. 104 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:31,919 Speaker 1: He was It was a very raw beginning to his tenure, 105 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 1: and that was a little unusual considering he had been 106 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: a head coach before at USF and Western Kentucky and 107 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 1: then hired super well. You know, that's sort of highlighted 108 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: by Mario Christoval and Jim Levitt, who did a great job. 109 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: Spring was fine. You know inherits a very promising young 110 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 1: quarterback in justin Herbert summer. You know, recruiting is you know, 111 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 1: you have excitement around Oregon, which is sort of how 112 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: the program is structured that you have certain programs, you 113 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 1: you know, Michigan, Notre Dame, Alabama who can sell tradition 114 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: and this is what you know, these legends did at 115 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: our program throughout the century of college football. And you 116 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 1: go other places and it's like, here's the blue collar 117 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: we have a lunch box on our sideline. Like Oregon 118 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: marketed itself wisely so as sort of an outsider, as 119 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:21,359 Speaker 1: exciting and fresh and flashy whatever. And so Willie Taggart 120 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: as a younger guy, somebody who's very active on social media, 121 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: somebody who recruited very well, and there were hashtags, there 122 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 1: were all sorts of pictures of him. I don't know 123 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 1: if you ever saw those pictures of him holding up 124 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 1: like half an O with one hand and a recruit 125 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 1: holding up you know, half an O with the other hand, 126 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: and they put it together in some sort of like 127 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: Captain Planety type way. Yeah, but there were there were 128 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: those things, you know, there were there. They were just 129 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 1: very active in ways that you know, Mark Helfrich and 130 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: Chip Kelly and Mike Bolatti certainly were not and that 131 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 1: was great that. I think that was a refreshing thing 132 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:57,359 Speaker 1: for Oregon. So there is this sense that he is 133 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 1: somebody who himself is excited about about being in Eugene 134 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 1: and excited about building something towards the future. And when 135 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: he leaves, you're sort of left with the like, we 136 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: get it, but you feel a little bit played and 137 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: how much of it was and he was doing it 138 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: while negotiating or his agent was negotiating with Florida State, 139 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: so it leaves you a little chapped, right. 140 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 2: Well, there are so many Tailor Swift songs that we 141 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 2: could apply to this. I think it goes without saying, 142 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 2: and you can bring up a picture. I know it's 143 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 2: a little bit off topic, but my favorite subplot in 144 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 2: this whole Willy Taggart drama has been the constant reuse 145 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 2: of a non Willy Taggart photo that apparently was mislabeled. 146 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Michael Johnson, the wide receivers coach. That's been 147 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: my favorite subplot. But you're right, and look, here's the thing. 148 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 2: I haven't been there recently, but lord knows, we've covered 149 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 2: plenty of these coaching searches and plenty of fan bases. 150 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 2: In their reaction to these coaching searches, people tend to 151 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 2: go a little bit out of their gourd because, yeah, 152 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 2: there is this natural score, and there is this natural 153 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 2: feeling of oh, we got play. 154 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: I guess where I go next. 155 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 2: Just as someone who maybe doesn't have a skin in 156 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 2: this game, but I think where a lot of fans 157 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 2: would go when a coach leaves to go to another 158 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 2: position is, oh my god, are we now a stepping 159 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 2: stone job? 160 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: Right? 161 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 2: Okay, Oregon's done a really good job in the last 162 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 2: decade building up that football program. But whenever you have 163 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 2: a situation where a guy goes elsewhere to no doubt, 164 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 2: a more traditional power in Florida State, I think that's 165 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 2: a question that deep down, as a fan, you're asking yourself, 166 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 2: is that something that you've thought. 167 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: Of sort of not necessarily in the context of just 168 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: the clean and cut stepping stone thing, but thinking about 169 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 1: the challenges of succeeding at a place like Oregon that 170 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: is far away from and even though the recruiting has 171 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,199 Speaker 1: gotten better, the talent has gotten better in the Pacific Northwest. 172 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: One of the other issues is it's not necessarily always 173 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: the playing talent, but it's the coaching talent. And you 174 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: can attract coaches to the West Coast, I think in 175 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: the short term if they're not from the West Coast, 176 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 1: so if they're from the Midwest, from the south. I mean, 177 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: Chip Kelly was unique because from the Northeast, and so 178 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: there wasn't necessarily a tie to a major college football 179 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: region because that upper part of the Northeast. You know, 180 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: he's from New Hampshire, so like Vermont and Maine, and 181 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 1: you know, apologies to Connecticut and New York, but they're 182 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 1: not they're not hotbeds. They're not I have to return 183 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: home and play in front of the adoring college football masses. 184 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: So that was that seems like an exception. And so 185 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: Mike Bollati is from I believe he's from California. Chris 186 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 1: Peterson's from the West coast, Clay Helton is not. And 187 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: you know, certainly now Chip Kelly has football routes on 188 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: the West coast at UCLA, and rich Rod is not. 189 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: But you know, came to Arizona on the sort of 190 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: descending part of his star after Michigan, and I don't 191 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: even know what to make of herm Edwards, So I'm 192 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: not even gonna But like Kyle Whittingsham is local to Utah, 193 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: So in bringing somebody like Willie Taggart across the country, 194 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: even with his couple of years at Stanford, is a 195 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:02,319 Speaker 1: pretty calculated risk. So I don't think Oregon is a 196 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: stepping stone job. But I think Oregon is a very 197 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: good job, made very good by a very good specific coach. 198 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: And I don't think it stands alone like Notre Dame, Michigan, Alabama, Auburn, 199 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: Florida State, Florida, Miami. You know what I'm saying that 200 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:23,439 Speaker 1: it doesn't necessarily you can't say Oregon is a special 201 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: job for anybody because it's still far away from where 202 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: a lot of coaches come from. And I was thinking 203 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: about and I went through all the Power five schools, 204 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: like how many West people that grew up on the 205 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: West Coast have gone east or to the south or 206 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: midwest whatever to a big job actively currently and it's 207 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: basically just Derek Mason at Vanderbilt, which not a big job. 208 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: Apologies to the Doors and Tom Herman to Texas and 209 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: that's it, right, yeah, right, And so that's just a challenge. 210 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: I love the West Coast. I wish everybody loved the 211 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,959 Speaker 1: West Coast and had to have the ability to spend 212 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: time there. But it is, you know, I hate the phrase, 213 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: but that is what that is. So it's it's not 214 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 1: a stepping stone job job, but it is a tricky 215 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: job made great by the correct, great candidate coach. That's 216 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 1: that's how I sort of feel about it, if that 217 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 1: makes sense. Here's what I want you to do. 218 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I want you to remove the I guess normal 219 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 2: guardrails that you and I put up when we do 220 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 2: a podcast where we're familiar, intimately familiar with the fact 221 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 2: that we've got different makes and models of fans listening 222 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 2: to our show. 223 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:40,719 Speaker 1: I just want you to be an Oregon fan now. 224 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: And I want you to vent. Yeah, I want you 225 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: to vent. 226 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 2: I want you to talk to me like you talk 227 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 2: to people on text message. I want I want, I 228 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 2: want the pure raw nerve here to come through, because 229 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 2: again we are fans like this happens to our teams too. 230 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 2: Just because it hasn't happened to Notre Dame doesn't mean 231 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 2: it won't happen soon. 232 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:06,319 Speaker 1: Well, you've had Notre Dame emotions. I mean you've had emotions, 233 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: but bad extensions, not in the coaching realm, and not recently. 234 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 1: Not to say recently, but I mean I can bring 235 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: up Charlie Weiss, I can bring up Ty Whittingham, I 236 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 1: can bring up Bob Davey, and I think there's still 237 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: open wounds there. 238 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 2: Let me pull a Mark McGuire man. I'm not here 239 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 2: to talk about the past. I'm here to talk about this. 240 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 2: Let's talk organ What do. 241 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: You want to talk about? 242 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 2: I want you to be raw and unfettered here. 243 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 1: So my general opinion is Oregon needs to hire somebody 244 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: who fits. Doesn't have to be the Willie Mold in 245 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: terms of being young and you know, crazy on social 246 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 1: media and bringing in a top three, five seven class 247 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: or whatever. But the Prospect and our pal Bruce Feldman 248 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: tweeted this out of bringing in Jim McElwain or Mike 249 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 1: Leach or I saw Jeff Hedford, all of them who 250 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:58,559 Speaker 1: have done good, interesting things relatively recently at schools of 251 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: varying size. That's fine. But to me, if you are 252 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: going to project yourself in that way Oregon, in Oregon's way, 253 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 1: you have to bring in somebody or you know, maintain 254 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: a relationship with somebody like Mario Cristobal that I think 255 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 1: I'd be okay with, you know, Kevin, someone is out 256 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 1: there and it doesn't excite me in a way that 257 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's impossible because like I'm still deeply 258 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: in love with the Chip Kelly era and I can't 259 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:27,719 Speaker 1: tell you I'm not. So I need to be convinced, ty, 260 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: I need to be wowed. I need to be showed 261 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: the love that I want to that I want to feel. 262 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: And it's just a girl in the world. He needs one, 263 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 1: just a girl in the world. So No, here's honestly 264 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,839 Speaker 1: what I think is, Oregon needs to spend money. They 265 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: need to give money to a head coach. They need 266 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: to open the coffers for the assistant pool and they 267 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: somehow and you know, the Oregon had the advance, all 268 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 1: the advantages in the world in terms of continuity before 269 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 1: and having you know, Mike Bloody and his staff, and 270 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 1: that carried over with Chip Kelly and Mark Helfrich and 271 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: they could sort of break about that, they could recruit 272 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: to the fact that these guys aren't leaving, and now 273 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: they've regressed to the mean they you know, having three 274 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 1: head coaches. I suppose in a year right with uh 275 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: with with hell Fritch, Taggart and whoever is going to 276 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: come in or stay in Eugene. That's rough. You're gonna 277 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: lose guys, and that sucks, and that sucks for and 278 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: I honestly like the like people tweeting, man, how do 279 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: you fault Mark? How do you excuse me? How do 280 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: you fault Willy Taggart for going home? How do you 281 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: fault to the job has only come open once in 282 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: forty years. He's gonna make five million dollars to coach football. Like, 283 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: let's not. I don't have Willy Taggart on my fantasy 284 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: Happy four team. Like there are there are guys getting 285 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: their heads bashed in because Willy Taggart told them to 286 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: fly from Florida to Oregon to play for him. Oregon's 287 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: very different from Florida, and so it sucks and I 288 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: I have a lot of shortcomings. And when I think 289 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: about it like that, like when I look back at 290 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: how I felt about lanekiff and leaving Tennessee or Todd 291 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: Graham leaving Pitt, I don't think we and I can 292 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: only speak to myself spend enough time saying, Man, that 293 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: sucks for those dudes on that team who wanted to 294 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: play for Todd Grammer Lane Kiffin. That sucks that they're 295 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: just left in the lurch again twice in a year. 296 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: So that's what like to me, It's like, man, Willy 297 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: Taggert abandoned a lot of dudes. 298 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 2: I'm not an Oregon fan. I'm a college football fan. 299 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 2: If my team ended up hiring Jeff Tedford, even though 300 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 2: he's done a really good job at Fresno, yeah, I'd 301 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 2: put my hand through the wall in front of course, 302 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 2: I go right through. That just does not have the 303 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 2: sex appeal. Mario Cristoball is a good coach. By all 304 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 2: County's a good coach. He's the interim coach now for 305 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 2: this Las Vegas ball that Oregan's got coming up against 306 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 2: Boise Mary. Christoball doesn't have the sex appeal of a 307 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 2: Willy Taggert. Might be a good hire, might end up 308 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 2: working out if he's the guy, but you can't help 309 00:15:57,640 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 2: but feel a little underwhelmed if he's the guy who's 310 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:00,080 Speaker 2: named you. 311 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: Know, Christaball was let go, and you know, some people 312 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: look at, you know, the relationship that Christaball had with 313 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: the ad and said that, like Chrystaball is unfairly marred 314 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: by the experience of what happened at FIU. I'm at 315 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: the point where I just want to be able to 316 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: look at the Willy Taggart era for what it was 317 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: and then figure out what's best moving forward, because obviously 318 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: what I think is so important. But no, I mean, 319 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: at the same time of all of this, of being 320 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: let down by you know, all of the like enthusiasm 321 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: unknown to mankind and hashtag do something, and like all 322 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: of these like platitudes that turned out to be very temporary. 323 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: I would like to see, like Willy Taggart went seven 324 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:44,239 Speaker 1: and five, his starting quarterback got hurt, and Oregon was dreadful. 325 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: They were very bad on offense. They really could not 326 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: get it together. They beat Utah, otherwise they were really 327 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: bad against some pretty average teams in Washington, who is 328 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: very good most of the time. So I'm not This 329 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: isn't losing Chip Kelly to Florida State. It's not losing 330 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: Mike lottyt to UCLA when he interviewed but didn't go. 331 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: So I want to be very careful about Like Willie Taggart, 332 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 1: there was a lot of hope, there was a lot 333 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 1: of good that we saw hopefully in the future, but 334 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: it didn't accomplish a ton. So look, here's what we're 335 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:14,679 Speaker 1: gonna do. 336 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 2: We're gonna call your texting buddy, Jeff Schwartz, former Oregon Duck, 337 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 2: former offensive lineman in the NFL, and I just want 338 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 2: to sit back. 339 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: And listen to you too. Really have a few minutes 340 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:34,199 Speaker 1: if that's okay, Yeah, Jeff, just let me know what 341 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 1: you're thinking right now, what is going through your head. 342 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 3: I'm not that disappointed, considering this is basically the only 343 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 3: job what I felt Taggart would lead by a way 344 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 3: for it needs to be his dream job. I'm just 345 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 3: more upset that Jim Levett might be done cheating and 346 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 3: the recruiting class that he's built up he's also probably 347 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 3: gonna leave. And I just never felt that organ would 348 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 3: be a program to how to coach there one year 349 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 3: and now we're another upheaval and I was really excited 350 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 3: with the direction of the program. Now I don't know 351 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 3: how to feel. 352 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,679 Speaker 1: And you never when you were at Oregon, there was 353 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: never like a major major change. There was an assistant 354 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 1: or coordinator swapping out. Chip Kelly came for your for 355 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: your senior year. But what at this point, when there 356 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: is like two changes in a year, what is what 357 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: is it? What do you guess it's like around a program? 358 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 3: Well, you have to start over. And that's why I 359 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:29,679 Speaker 3: think they're really going to hire from within, because they 360 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 3: don't want to start over again. The cryst of Ball 361 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 3: seems like a natural fit at least for now. Maybe 362 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 3: he doesn't do well. Maybe he does. But you have 363 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 3: to change everything about your program, even me head coach 364 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 3: and me, he's just as simple as changing the slogan, 365 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 3: right they went from when the they to do something, 366 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 3: it's just totally everything. Everything is different. You have to 367 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 3: change teams again, maybe have to recreat differently. In this way, 368 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 3: if you hire from within, you don't do very much 369 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:54,400 Speaker 3: to change it. 370 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: Is that your preference? 371 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 3: I think at this point, I mean the names of 372 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 3: the turnout already. Jess, Jeff Hedford pass on that Mike Leach. 373 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 3: As much as I love Mike Lynch as far as 374 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 3: him in the media and what he says, I don't 375 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 3: think he's a sad all I'll ever see Rgan getting 376 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 3: to part off with Mike leachester head coach novel. Just 377 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 3: I would Memphis, yep, I just I think Wayne Chiffin's 378 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 3: probably not gonna be hired by Oregan' a guy that 379 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 3: go after. I saw will Cox possibly even well at 380 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 3: Cal this year. But I don't know, really, no really 381 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 3: excite me, all right? 382 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: And so if if it is Christaball hypothetically, what is 383 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 1: it about the makeup up and you've played for a 384 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 1: lot a number of offensive line coaches, both college and 385 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: in the pros, what is there specifically about an offensive 386 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: line coach when he is an offensive coordinator, when he 387 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: is a head coach. Is there something specific to that 388 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: sort of makeup of a coach that either is good 389 00:19:59,920 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: or are not so good? For a head coach. 390 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 3: Well as an offensive line coach, at least from schematically, 391 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 3: you have to know almost everything. I think people believe 392 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 3: that we just have to know the run game and whatnot, 393 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,439 Speaker 3: But typically you have to know a lot more about 394 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 3: the offense than the other posish coaches a wide receiver. 395 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 3: Coaches don't know what what the officiat is doing. And 396 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 3: this defense is well for almost a semantic point if 397 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 3: you like it, as far as just some personality offensive lineman. 398 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 3: And we have to work harder. Yet we are at 399 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 3: certain points of our life, you know, we get along 400 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 3: with this. Everybody we have that really that that work 401 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 3: with attitude and you know, now you might be in 402 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 3: the spotlight he's away being a head coach, but you know, 403 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 3: spotlight for us is not that big of appeal, and 404 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 3: so I having it be a great to keep him 405 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 3: on and keep that greasingness, especially offensively. And if Leven leaves, 406 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:59,159 Speaker 3: hopefully you know, bring someone in or somebody. 407 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 1: What is your what do you think your lasting opinion 408 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 1: will be of Willie Taggart almost spending a year in Eugene, 409 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: which you know obviously is a special place for you, 410 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 1: is a special place for me. But the fact that 411 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: he does leave after you know, eleven months and change 412 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 1: for a dream job. But also you know, recruited kids 413 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: from across the country and you know, didn't last a 414 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 1: full cycle and really like made a lot of money 415 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: to coach a huge team like his life would not 416 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: have been terrible if he didn't take the Florida State job. 417 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,120 Speaker 1: What is your lasting impression you think? 418 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 3: I think a lot of that depends on where the 419 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,919 Speaker 3: program goes. If the program takes a nose dog for 420 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,199 Speaker 3: three years, and I think it'll get a lot of 421 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 3: blame for that. If the program continues to go back 422 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 3: to where tickets can, then he probably won't be forgardfon 423 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 3: anestly because he's only doing like you said, eleven months 424 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 3: and maybe the guy that's not the program of new 425 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 3: energy and the new life. But if thinking to win, 426 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 3: people won't be upset. But you know, I'm worried about 427 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 3: what's going to tank from many years now because we 428 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 3: hire a wrong coach. I wasn't sure about Packard at first, 429 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 3: but I heard about his attitude and they saw the 430 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 3: changes run away. They were maybe this is the program 431 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 3: and if so, how we hire someone else and that 432 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 3: doesn't happen. There was will Well for a couple of years. 433 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 3: I think a lot of fans will rightfully be upset 434 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:22,640 Speaker 3: with with Willy for leaving. 435 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: Do you think Oregon is a Do you think Oregon 436 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 1: is a great job? One of the things I said 437 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: was Oregon is a great job with a great coach, 438 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: but the challenges are still such that it's easy to 439 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,120 Speaker 1: screw up as well. 440 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 3: I'm probably more on the side of it's not a 441 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 3: great job. I mean, I think it's a maybe a 442 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 3: fifteen to twenty job, maybe less twenty twenty five best job. 443 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,400 Speaker 3: I'm probably a little bit more skeptical of how great 444 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 3: a job is the most organ fans. I think recruiting 445 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 3: is very hard. Yeah, because there's no talent in Oregon. 446 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 3: There's not much of the talent in Washington, and then 447 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 3: you go to California. You have usc L to Kelly Stamford. 448 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 3: Stafford's always going to recruve the best office delignment in 449 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 3: the West Coast. Cal's gotten better, so really did a 450 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 3: good job of getting kids from other states, and Chips 451 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 3: started that as well, getting her from other states come in. 452 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 3: But I just think it's a it's a recruiting challenge 453 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 3: and a small school city. Now. They love football, and 454 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 3: don't get me wrong, I mean Jene loves her football, 455 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 3: the cheek the player as well, But I don't think 456 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 3: it's a top fifteen jobs. 457 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 1: Final question, what percent chance? Zero to one? Hundred do 458 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 1: you give Oregon, you know, the the administration athletic director, 459 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 1: whoever the boosters Phil Knight. What percent chance do you 460 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: give them of hiring somebody great that sort of keeps 461 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 1: the upward trajectory and what percent? I guess do you 462 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: think that like they just bomb this higher the time? 463 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, I think it's almost it almost 464 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 3: fifty fifty. Right, you promoted chip Kelly, but it's fantastic. 465 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 3: You know, they've always done a promotion, right, they promoted Balati, 466 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,400 Speaker 3: they promoted chip Kelly was all great, and promoted health 467 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 3: it can go very well a lot of and Taget 468 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 3: went well. So if they you know, they don't promote 469 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 3: crystal Ball, I think it's fifty. Campon knows well. I 470 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 3: think that they'll do it with the right attention. I 471 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 3: don't think that the search process will be something that 472 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 3: they don't do thoroughly. So I have faith they'll do 473 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 3: a thorough process. But I think every head coaching hire 474 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,680 Speaker 3: is very unique, and I can't say with certainty they're 475 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 3: going to head out a part of me. They might 476 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,360 Speaker 3: try to get a count of bring aas and those 477 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 3: guys might say no. But I got to the coach. 478 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,120 Speaker 3: They might be a small time guy that you don't 479 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 3: think he's good to start out and ends up being great. 480 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 3: Might hire a big cat it is not very good. 481 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 3: So I think it's really fifty to fifty. 482 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 1: Is your early vote right now? Crystal Ball? Then for continuity, Yeah, 483 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 1: unless Chris Peterson wants to come, unless Pete Charlestone with Seattle. 484 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 3: I don't know who else realistically at this point in 485 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 3: the year who would be good fit in organ I 486 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 3: was Frost too, but you got a job in nebraskyar fair. 487 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 1: All right, Jeff, thank you say hi to your kids 488 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: for me. I will, all right, Dan, So there you go. 489 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: That is Jeff Schwartz from the pit of Hell. Yeah wherever. 490 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: I think he was picking up his kid at like 491 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,919 Speaker 1: a swimming glass or something. So that's the noise for 492 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 1: Oregon fans out there who might be in the pit 493 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: of hell right now learning of this news. 494 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 2: Thank you for tuning into our broadcast. We are a 495 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 2: college football show. We normally broadcast around this time of 496 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 2: year every Wednesday and Sunday, talk about other relevant coaching 497 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,360 Speaker 2: news and bowl games. Now, everything that we've got coming 498 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 2: up in the coaching circuit will put out a new 499 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 2: show tomorrow in which I don't know. Maybe we'll announce 500 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 2: a live show in Atlanta. Maybe we'll talk about other 501 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,919 Speaker 2: Bowl games and other coaching news and things of the like. 502 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: Where should people keep their eyes so they can learn 503 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 1: all of these things? 504 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,199 Speaker 2: People should keep their eyes peeled right here on the 505 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 2: Facebook page where a lot of you are listening. Stay 506 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 2: tuned to our Twitter account at Twitter dot com slash 507 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 2: solid Verbal. We've also been pretty active this year on 508 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 2: Instagram as well. You can find us in all the 509 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 2: usual hotspots, as well as a subreddit that was created 510 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 2: by our listeners for our listeners at reddit dot com 511 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 2: slash are slash Solid Verbal. But the larger point here 512 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 2: is I just wanted to give you a chance to vent, 513 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 2: to get this all out. Willy Taggert has been announced 514 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 2: as the new Florida State football coach. He is going home, 515 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 2: so to speak. And this is one of my other 516 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 2: favorite subplots. We saw it with Scott Frost, gonna see 517 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 2: it now with Willy Taggert. 518 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 1: But whenever, I mean, we've seen it all over I 519 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 1: mean in previous years too. We see Paul Chris leave 520 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: after what two or three years from Pitt back to 521 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: back to Wisconsin. We said, we do see this. 522 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 2: No, no, no, what I'm saying, and you're right, going 523 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 2: back to the alma mater, going back to the home state. 524 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 2: But what I'm talking about specifically is the welcome home hashtag, 525 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 2: the welcome home banners, the welcome home memes that you 526 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 2: see floating around the internet. 527 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,160 Speaker 1: You know what, if Oregon hires Justin Wilcox away from Cal, 528 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: that's exactly what hard to have. You'll be flying the 529 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,439 Speaker 1: banner over Audson. There are pictures of Justin Wilcox playing 530 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving football with Justin Herbert when Herbert was like nine, 531 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: apparently he and his family. God, could you imagine the 532 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 1: fantasy that might be number one overall fantasy if if 533 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: Justin Wilcox takes the Oregon job after just a year 534 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 1: at Cal, just bringing everything full circle. Can I ask 535 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 1: you a couple of names from the outside what you 536 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,399 Speaker 1: would think? Yeah, sure, if Oregon hired them. Okay, so 537 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: we talked about Mario cristaball a bunch. Obviously, the other 538 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: big name coordinator name with Oregon is is Jim Levit. 539 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,640 Speaker 1: Jim Levit. So if they were to hire Crystal Ball 540 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 1: or Levitt, what would your reaction be, I'd be underwhelmed. 541 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 2: And I know what Jeff said, Jeff knows a lot 542 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 2: more about football than you and I. The continuity is important, 543 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 2: whether it's through crystal Ball or Levitt crystal Ball short term, 544 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 2: you know crystal Ball. Both of them have head coaching 545 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 2: experience in the state of Florida, and it sounds like 546 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 2: Jim Levitt may be headed with Willy Taggart down there 547 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 2: to Florida State. So if it does end up being 548 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,639 Speaker 2: crystal Ball, look, he's a good coach. Can't help but 549 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 2: feel a little bit underwhelmed coming from Chip Kelly a 550 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,400 Speaker 2: couple of years back and most recently Willy Taggart, who 551 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,400 Speaker 2: was you know, builds the next next great thing. 552 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 1: If it were both chrystal Ball, say it head coach 553 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: and a big race to Levitt at defensive coordinator. Again, 554 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 1: you like the continuity. 555 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 2: I think if you get both, you feel better about 556 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 2: that that the program's not going to bottom out. 557 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: But you know, I still think scorned a little bit more. 558 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 2: By the departure of Willy Taggert, then I would be 559 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 2: relieved at the continuity of keeping those guys around. 560 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, And the other thing is if Mario Christaval is 561 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: awesome for two years, three years and who knows what 562 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: job opens up South Carolina Georgia Tech certainly doesn't look 563 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: like a job in Florida. A big job in Florida 564 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,719 Speaker 1: is opening up. But if a big job opens up 565 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: in the southeast, would, I mean, you're going through it 566 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 1: all over again. So there is that that calculated risk again. 567 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: Mike Norvell just signed an extension, so it doesn't appear 568 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 1: that he will be his stay in put yep and 569 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,719 Speaker 1: he like Weirdly, there were like rumblings of, you know, 570 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: teams sort of growing cold on him when they did 571 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: more vetting. Kevin Someone, Kevin Someone's interesting to me. 572 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 2: Okay, I think he got a bit of a raw 573 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 2: deal at A and M and I know the results 574 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 2: weren't there on the field the way they wanted, But 575 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 2: the SEC West is crazy hard. Sure, I still like 576 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 2: what he did there. I know it went downhill a 577 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 2: bit after Johnny Manziel left, but he's an exciting coach. 578 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 1: He's a great recruiter. 579 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 2: I don't know to what degree He's got a comfort 580 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 2: zone in the Pacific Northwest, And though I don't think 581 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 2: it's quite as excitable a hire as a Willie Taggart. 582 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: I think that's a good option. Yeah, well, Willy Taggart 583 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 1: is certainly more of an unknown from a Power five perspective. 584 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: He's been a Power five coach for again eleven months. Sure, 585 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: whereas we know more about Kevin Summer, we know more 586 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: about his record, the ups and the downs in the 587 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: in betweens, and who knows what tex A and M 588 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: looks like if he and the coaching staff and everybody 589 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 1: involved didn't screw up the Kyle Allen Kyler Murray thing. Sure, 590 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: you go from two five star quarterbacks to no five 591 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: star quarterbacks very quickly. 592 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 2: I just and so you know, I mean, the thing 593 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 2: with him is the SEC West, the SEC in general. 594 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 2: People are driven crazy by the fact that Nick Saban 595 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 2: is coaching in the same conference. Everybody wants to find 596 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 2: the Nick Saban, and the second they realize that they 597 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 2: don't have him, they're more inclined to just toss aside 598 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 2: whoever is whoever is head football coach and going in 599 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 2: a different direction. That may be true to some extent 600 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 2: with someone at A and M. I still think he's 601 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 2: a really good football coach, and if he is the guy, 602 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 2: if he is someone that Oregon is interested in. They 603 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 2: probably have the personnel to run that system. 604 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 1: Sure, I don't think what Kevin someone has traditionally done. 605 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 1: You know, he hasn't always been consistent in the way 606 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 1: that he's run the ball, and so you know, he's 607 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 1: a Mike Leech guy, I believe. Maybe, no, he's Yeah, 608 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: he was at Oklahoma with him, I believe. But what 609 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: he did at Houston setting records through the air with 610 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: case Keenum and obviously what he did at Texas A 611 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: and M and recruiting, and you have to assume that 612 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: coming into a situation with Justin Herbert, who when healthy 613 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 1: is you know, probably one of the best eight quarterbacks 614 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 1: in the country, has to be very enticing to people 615 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 1: because that will just make you look good. So that's 616 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 1: interesting to me from a Kevin Somelin perspective, who you know, 617 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: coached and played at Purdue, We coached in Minnesota and Wyoming, Oklahoma, Texas, 618 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: so he's not necessarily as tied to a specific region 619 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 1: as it seemed Taggert was. What about Brian Harson much 620 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: more regional? Wow? Uh, who I believe interviewed or had 621 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 1: conversations last year around this time. 622 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I like Brian Harrison, and I like him because 623 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 2: for a long time it was believe that his dream 624 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 2: job was Boise State. So if he could pluck someone 625 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 2: away from their supposed dream job, maybe you're more inclined 626 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 2: to keep someone around for a longer period of time. 627 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 2: A Mountain West dream job, A Mountain West dream job. Sure, 628 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm okay with that. 629 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. See, that's I think the general it peaks at okay. 630 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 2: You're gonna feel okay with pretty much anyone at this point. 631 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 1: I would needed somebody, somebody needed to What about buy 632 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:54,239 Speaker 1: a picture on the wall. What about Jim mcklewain, You know, 633 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: from a seeing what he did and how that his 634 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: tenure ended in Gamesville recently, it feels like way more 635 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 1: of a downslope, way more of a dissension whatever than 636 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:11,239 Speaker 1: Kevin someone would be because even when they won the 637 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 1: SEC East, it was just sort of like they were 638 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 1: the best worst team in the SEC. I guess like 639 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 1: that's all it really felt like. And it seemed like 640 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 1: his interpersonal and public dealings would be a pretty big 641 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,560 Speaker 1: shift from Willie Tagger and even like Chip Kelly, they're 642 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 1: like the Jim mcklewain thing does not at all excite me, 643 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 1: and I don't think it would excite many Oregon fans. 644 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 2: He wouldn't receive the bizarre, unsubstantiated threats, right Eugene that 645 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 2: maybe got at Florida. 646 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 1: I think we could say that. 647 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 2: But the danger with him is he came in to 648 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 2: Florida I think thought of as a bit of an 649 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 2: offensive guru, a quarterback guru. He had some history with 650 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 2: Nick Saban and did wonders at Colorado State in a 651 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 2: very short period of time. He's a good football coach 652 00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 2: and he still has that to his credit. 653 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 1: I would concerned that there were recruiting concerns about him 654 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: in Gainesville, Sure, sure, and sort of porting that to Eugene. 655 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 1: It's sort of troubling too well. 656 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 2: And my larger point here is he has a quarterback 657 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,759 Speaker 2: at Oregon. If he ends up going there, if he 658 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 2: steps into that job and the offense isn't any good, 659 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 2: if the quarterback position is a dumpster fire, then all 660 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 2: of a sudden you've got a crisis. 661 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 1: And what we saw, I mean, Oregon has a blue 662 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:31,839 Speaker 1: chip quarterback committed right now I think from Arizona, and 663 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,439 Speaker 1: it looks like he's still gonna come, I have no idea. 664 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 1: I don't pretend to know what recruits are thinking. But 665 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,759 Speaker 1: beyond Justin Herbert, as we saw this year, it is 666 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 1: thin pickings. And you know, hey, good luck to Willy 667 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,560 Speaker 1: Taggert who last year Jimbo struggled with a backup quarterback. 668 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 1: And now Willy Taggert goes there and we'll see what 669 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,280 Speaker 1: happens with the Florida state quarterback job. But you're not wrong, 670 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 1: You're not at all wrong. Can I give you I'm 671 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,759 Speaker 1: trying to think of any more names. So like Justin Wilcox. 672 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,240 Speaker 1: Justin Wilcox would be promising moments at CAL. Yeah, local 673 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 1: to Eugene. I would make moments you do like that movie? 674 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 1: I would like that move. Yeah, I think you can 675 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,359 Speaker 1: spin it optimistically. I've spoken to somebody who has spent 676 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 1: a bunch of time with him this season who sort 677 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 1: of said, I don't know if Justin Wilcox would take 678 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 1: that job. Don't well, I don't think Justin would leave 679 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,399 Speaker 1: after a year or something like that from what he's 680 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 1: done at Cal. He hired well at Cal. He just 681 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 1: lost his defensive line coach, Jerry Asinaro to UCLA and 682 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:33,279 Speaker 1: Chip Kelly. But I could be talked into it just 683 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 1: seeing how he was able to recruit. But and I 684 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 1: like the fact that he has coached at Tennessee and Boise, 685 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,279 Speaker 1: in Wisconsin and USC and Washington, like he's been all over. 686 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 1: He has connections, you know, not just to recruiting, but 687 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,479 Speaker 1: to hiring assistance. So that to me is a positive thing. 688 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 1: But it's not it's not electric, Tie, I gotta tell you, 689 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:55,840 Speaker 1: it's not electric. And I don't know if there is 690 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 1: an electric option. Well, Greg Chiano is the electric option. Dan, 691 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 1: you know that it's more like an electric fence. You 692 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 1: What do you feel about Mike Leach. I feel that 693 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:15,279 Speaker 1: Mike Leach has a very fun public veneer in press conferences, 694 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:21,839 Speaker 1: in scrums, and is also sort of low key, kind 695 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 1: of problematic and gets along with people in tricky ways 696 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 1: or doesn't get along with people in tricky ways. So 697 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,880 Speaker 1: I think there's some interpersonal stuff that's to be desired. 698 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,319 Speaker 1: And when you sign up for Mike Leach, you sign 699 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 1: up for a very specific system, rain or shine. And 700 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 1: I don't know if I like the lack of adaptability. 701 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,279 Speaker 1: I don't know if I like that. And he's had 702 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 1: a ton of success and he has beaten everybody. And 703 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:54,400 Speaker 1: at the same time, you know, the recruiting thing scares 704 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 1: me a little bit that he's not going to be 705 00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,480 Speaker 1: able to recruit in the way that Oregon envisions themselves 706 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 1: as able to to Doeah, I just it would feel 707 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 1: like be minus C plus. 708 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 2: I always feel about Mike Leach, and I don't know 709 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,960 Speaker 2: if I've used this analogy on the show before. I 710 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,879 Speaker 2: feel about Mike Leach the same way I do Coldstone 711 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:17,399 Speaker 2: Creamery like I like it and there are times where 712 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,799 Speaker 2: I definitely have an appetite for it. Yeah, but it's 713 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,520 Speaker 2: not the go to every time I'm interested in ice cream. 714 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say milkshakes. We've talked about milkshakes before, 715 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 1: and that's how we became friends with Adam Amin. I 716 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,359 Speaker 1: have maybe one or two milkshakes a year. 717 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,239 Speaker 2: You could take it in doses and it's a lot 718 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 2: of fun. It makes it better that you take it 719 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 2: in doses and not all the time. But there's something 720 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:45,200 Speaker 2: about I think that system, that personality. I could see 721 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,920 Speaker 2: that wearing thin on you. If you're a fan and 722 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:54,840 Speaker 2: it's not consistently good. If that makes sense, No's that's 723 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 2: totally right. 724 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 1: I uh, you know, it's if you throw you like, 725 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,719 Speaker 1: you have a group of friends and everybody loves hanging 726 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,919 Speaker 1: out and this guy, this girl whatever, they make hanging 727 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,920 Speaker 1: out real fun. Do I want to be their roommate? 728 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 1: I don't know. But do I like playing golden tea? 729 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,319 Speaker 1: Do I like, you know, going out and playing and 730 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:13,480 Speaker 1: like pick up basketball at them? 731 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:13,759 Speaker 3: Yeah? 732 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:18,000 Speaker 1: They're great. I just every day every day with Phil. 733 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:18,719 Speaker 2: I don't know. 734 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:23,239 Speaker 1: So any other options that you see, you know, as 735 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,839 Speaker 1: connected to the West Coast, because like in my like, 736 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,080 Speaker 1: there are big names out there. You know, Mike Gundy 737 00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,319 Speaker 1: spoke with with Tennessee and then he got to raise 738 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,840 Speaker 1: at Oklahoma State and you know who I would have 739 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,280 Speaker 1: loved y because this is a timing thing. Sorry, sure, 740 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 1: my dream, my dream of dreams, would have been like 741 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 1: Bob Stoops still at Oklahoma and just nab Lincoln Riley 742 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,279 Speaker 1: after year two. I was thinking about that a couple 743 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,640 Speaker 1: of years ago when I was, you know, sitting through 744 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,520 Speaker 1: the end of the Mark Helfrich era and I was like, 745 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,399 Speaker 1: what Riley. He seems fun, he seems like he's young 746 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,440 Speaker 1: and can put up yards. Let's get him to Eugene. 747 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,760 Speaker 1: But alas he now is coaching in the playoffs. 748 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,719 Speaker 2: Ask you a very personal question always, are you at 749 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,360 Speaker 2: all active on Oregon message boards? Not necessarily as a poster, 750 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,040 Speaker 2: but maybe just as a lurker. 751 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,680 Speaker 1: I have. Yeah, I don't post a lot, and I 752 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,360 Speaker 1: actually I don't even post period, but I am familiar 753 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:19,800 Speaker 1: with conversations that happen. 754 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 2: Who do you think is the most improbable candidate that 755 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,120 Speaker 2: someone on the message boards will trot out for the 756 00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:26,920 Speaker 2: organ position? 757 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:31,160 Speaker 1: Improbable? I've seen Chris Peterson. Yeah, I don't think Peterson's 758 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,919 Speaker 1: going there is about Yeah, it's not like people say, 759 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,200 Speaker 1: like throw ten million dollars a year and like, no, 760 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 1: I don't don't think it's a money thing. 761 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,799 Speaker 2: What kind of odds can I get? And you're going 762 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,319 Speaker 2: to have to police this. I don't know if this 763 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,520 Speaker 2: is going to be a thing or not. What kind 764 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,400 Speaker 2: of odds can I get on someone on an Oregon 765 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 2: message boards trotting out Brian Kelly? 766 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:57,719 Speaker 1: Oh, zero point zero? I mean there's you would get 767 00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,160 Speaker 1: ten thousand to one odds. 768 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,840 Speaker 2: And that I'll take twenty five to one odds and 769 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,560 Speaker 2: I'll make that bet with you. Well, so here's the 770 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,239 Speaker 2: complicated thing that came up when Chip was going to 771 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:14,960 Speaker 2: UCLA is Brian Kelly is now entrenched at a former 772 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:19,439 Speaker 2: Adidas current under armour school. I don't know if there's 773 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:23,320 Speaker 2: a push pull because I apparently this is the alleged 774 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:27,320 Speaker 2: thing that Phil Knight and Oregon sort of see Adidas 775 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 2: as like, well, they've been around forever, and like, you know, 776 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,600 Speaker 2: we think we're a lot higher than Adidas, but you know, 777 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,920 Speaker 2: we acknowledge that they exist. The under armour thing is 778 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:41,520 Speaker 2: like this weird craw and that. I don't think it 779 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:46,440 Speaker 2: was an actual meaningful standing in the way situation at 780 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,640 Speaker 2: UCLA for Chip Kelly and his relationship. But I think 781 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:50,839 Speaker 2: Chip Kelly probably made a phone call and was like, listen, 782 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,440 Speaker 2: here's what's going on, Kevin. Someone's an Adidas you know, 783 00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,480 Speaker 2: has been at an Adida school for a while. Brian Kelly. 784 00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,000 Speaker 2: That under armour thing, I don't think it's going to happen. 785 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:04,840 Speaker 2: But that's another aspect of this this search. It's another aspect. 786 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,719 Speaker 2: I'm talking purely in the realm of the hypothetical. Don't 787 00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,880 Speaker 2: take what will happen. Will happen twenty five to one 788 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,279 Speaker 2: odds is what I want. Will you make that bet 789 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,839 Speaker 2: with me? Twenty five to one? Yeah, twenty five to 790 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:22,520 Speaker 2: one people out there listening, police very quietly, your local 791 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,080 Speaker 2: Oregon message board. And if Brian Kelly's name pops up, 792 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,239 Speaker 2: let us know. Please don't be the one to do it. 793 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,319 Speaker 2: This is like a reverse don't be the one to 794 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:30,520 Speaker 2: do it. 795 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,040 Speaker 1: Where we're going with honesty? Here the honesty? What's what's 796 00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,520 Speaker 1: the policy I'm going for? I'm I'm out of at 797 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,239 Speaker 1: the honor the honor code. Yeah, there it is, honor code. 798 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,040 Speaker 2: I will give you a singular dollar bill at our 799 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:47,440 Speaker 2: live show in Atlanta next month. If in fact, I'm 800 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,319 Speaker 2: assuming Oregon should have a coach by then, If in 801 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,480 Speaker 2: fact Brian Kelly's name does not appear. 802 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,479 Speaker 1: I assume Oregon. Well, signing day is what two weeks 803 00:41:55,520 --> 00:42:00,320 Speaker 1: from tomorrow? I really hope. So all right, Well, well, 804 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,120 Speaker 1: I think we'll leave it at that. More to come 805 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,719 Speaker 1: on this story. We will cover it the way we 806 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,759 Speaker 1: do so many other coaching breaks that have gone on 807 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,400 Speaker 1: here in the early going of the college football postseason. 808 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,920 Speaker 1: Now on our Wednesday podcast, which you can find at 809 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:24,719 Speaker 1: soliverbal dot com. We're also on iTunes, Spotify, Google Play, Overcast, Stitcher, 810 00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,480 Speaker 1: tune in, literally everywhere you could find a podcast you 811 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,200 Speaker 1: can find the solid verbal We are free. Will be 812 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,839 Speaker 1: twice a week until after the bowl season, at which 813 00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,680 Speaker 1: point we still broadcast year round, but we'll start up 814 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,720 Speaker 1: on a once a week Wednesday schedule, talking college football 815 00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:41,760 Speaker 1: the full year through. 816 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,960 Speaker 2: Daniel keep us posted. All right, we'll do for that 817 00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:50,960 Speaker 2: gentleman over there morning, as Willy Taggart has gone on too, 818 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,640 Speaker 2: Florida State, Oregon now back in the throes of a 819 00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,960 Speaker 2: head coaching search. His name is Dan Rubinstein. For myself, 820 00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,400 Speaker 2: Ty Hilda Brand, thanks for tuning in to this special addition, 821 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,520 Speaker 2: Willie Taggert panic Pod, a merger pod, whatever you want 822 00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:04,000 Speaker 2: to call it. 823 00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,160 Speaker 1: Can we do it for Notre Dame someday? 824 00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,680 Speaker 2: Oh my god, it will take on a much darker 825 00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:09,680 Speaker 2: tone when it happens. 826 00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,960 Speaker 1: I can't wait to be on the other end. We'll 827 00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,000 Speaker 1: catch you all soon. Take care, peace,