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People around our country are living in fear, 20 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 1: fear of the deadly coronavirus COVID nineteen. As if that's 21 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 1: not enough, there's a whole new wave of Corona virus 22 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: crimes infecting our country. Be on the lookout and don't 23 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: fall victim to Corona virus crimes. I me Nancy Grace. 24 00:01:49,880 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: This is crime Stories, Crime Stories with Nancy Grace at 25 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: a time when our country should theoretically be pulling together, 26 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: at a time where fear is running rampant. People are 27 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: isolated in their homes across the country, not really knowing 28 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: what's going on, and falling prey to isolation and fear. 29 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 1: The hyena are coming out the cons the crimes today, 30 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: coronavirus crimes, the next wave. First of all, take a listen. 31 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 1: Oh First of all, thank you for being with us. 32 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: I mean see Grace's crime stories here at Fox Nation 33 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 1: and series X one eleven. I want to first talk 34 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:50,959 Speaker 1: about a young man self named Laws with a Z. 35 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend Piers Morgan. You may 36 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: remember also the other idiot. This is also an America who, 37 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: as part of the ronavirus challenge that some morons are doing, 38 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: went into his local toilet cubicle here and licked the ball. 39 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I haven't seen this. Oh my god, 40 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: why are we showing this there's another disgusting take off 41 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 1: the talle what is what is? I think this is 42 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 1: called karma. Here's a picture of him on his Instagram page. Yeah, 43 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 1: he's got coronavirus. That's him in hospital. So he expects 44 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: someone to save his life. Now he expects someone to 45 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: provide you medicals and he'll be putting a healthcare professional 46 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: at risk. I wouldn't give a thing. It's not only, 47 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: as you say, disgusting, it's a felony. Now let me 48 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: tell you what this guy did. This guy goes on 49 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: line and does a video licking his camocia. Now, at 50 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: any other time in our nation's history, that may be 51 00:03:54,720 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: considered well, how do you say, toilet humor? But now 52 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: not so much. This guy has a social media reach 53 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: that is very, very vast. Let me go straight out 54 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: to our special guests joining us, all the guests joining 55 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: us today. Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina, lawyer at inc Domestic 56 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 1: Law dot com. James Shellnutt twenty seven years metro major 57 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:27,239 Speaker 1: k swat now lawyer, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author 58 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. Joseph Scott Morgan, 59 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: renowned psycholiatrist joining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. And 60 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: boy do we Anita shrink now more than ever, Doctor 61 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: Angela Arnold with her wisdom. But first to a reporter 62 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: from my favorite newspaper in the world, New York Post, 63 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: Tina Moore. That's quite a lad in, Tina. What do 64 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: you have for me? On Lars lar Z make sure 65 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: you get this z. And as Piers Morgan accurately pointed out, 66 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:02,039 Speaker 1: there's no such thing as felony idiot. He was quick 67 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: to point out in America, I can't deny it. But 68 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 1: what did this guy do? I don't know what the 69 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: charge is for stupidity? I just I'm not sure how 70 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: you charge him. It's just incredible that anybody would do that. Well, 71 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,799 Speaker 1: what exactly is your understanding to you, Justice Scott Morgan 72 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: of what happened? Well, my understanding is is that this 73 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: fellow went into a cubicle at a location and bathroom 74 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: cubicle and began licking the toilet seat. He licked literally 75 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: the potty nancy. And this is a very dangerous thing 76 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 1: to do nowadays, particularly when you consider they're now identifying 77 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: the coronavirus as being as they term it in medical jargon, 78 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 1: a very robust virus that means it lives for a 79 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: very long time. And I don't care so much that 80 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 1: he may have infected himself. I'm worried about who he 81 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: may have infected as a result of his actions. Now, 82 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 1: isn't it true that later he posted I tested positive 83 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: for COVID nineteen. Isn't that correct? Out to Tina More 84 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: And I understand he was licking a toilet bowl on 85 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 1: a flight or no, was that in his home? I'm 86 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 1: not really sure answer, Sorry, let me find out. I 87 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: understand this guy Lars licking the toilet seat. I believe 88 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 1: in this case it was in his own home. And 89 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: the reality of that, Kathleen Murphy joining us out of 90 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 1: North Carolina is that he didn't pose a threat to 91 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 1: anybody else that we know of. But the importance in 92 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: my mind, Kathleen, is what this is doing to all 93 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 1: of the children twin and teen followers. So I have 94 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 1: a thirteen year old, you have the twins, and they 95 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 1: look at this stuff. Unfortunately, he was actually following an 96 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: instagrammer named Ava Louise who went and licked the toilet 97 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: on on a slide and subsequently doctor yes, and then 98 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: was subsequently on doctor Phil. You know what my response is, 99 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: I'd love to know their parents' names and phone numbers. 100 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: I would love to know their number because my neighbor 101 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: across the street is that emergency room physician. Can I 102 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: tell you something else? This same guy, Lars with his 103 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: Z twenty one years old old enough to know better, 104 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: was also part of a craze where stuntsters would lick 105 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: tubs of ice cream in supermarkets. Then he posts himself 106 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: languishing in a hospital bed saying that he has COVID nineteen. 107 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: That is putting a painting COVID nineteen with a stunt 108 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: a hoax brush, and I don't like it these example, 109 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: it's setting and not only that, potentially giving other people 110 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen. Let's talk about his inspiration. Her name is Ava, 111 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: and I want you to but before we get to her, 112 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: let's take a listen to Lars himself speaking to doctor Phil. 113 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't talk to my family. What a 114 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: very irrelevant. They're irrelevant. None of them have followers. If 115 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: they got followers or got rich, I'd probably talk to 116 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: them a gun a little bit. Did you just say 117 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: I don't talk to my family because they don't have followers. 118 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: If that followers, they'd be here right now. You joke 119 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: about your mother. I mean, my mom has more followers 120 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: than my sister. It's your mother. What do you what 121 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: do she making? What do you care if she has 122 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 1: followers or not? Did your mother? Can anyone tell me? 123 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: Like what I would talk to my mom about if 124 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: she's not going to be making me relevant? Yeah? Like, hi, mom, 125 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: Now I have a career and I'm famous. Like that's 126 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: what happens when you get famous. You've cut people off. Seriously, 127 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 1: everyone's upset with it. Maybe because you guys aren't relevant either, 128 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: so you don't understand. Maybe I'm just I'm out of sync, 129 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:55,959 Speaker 1: I guess because I didn't know you till today. And 130 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: if you got to wear it well once again, doctor 131 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: Phil calls, like it is. I want to get to 132 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 1: the bottom of where he licked the toilet. But in 133 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: the meantime, let's go to Eva Louise speaking to doctor Phil. 134 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: Get ready, what the hell were you thinking when you're 135 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: licking a toilet seat on an airplane on the way 136 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: to spring break when the country shut down one I 137 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: had way dirtier things in my mouth that whole spring 138 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: break two. I've bleached that three private plane. I went 139 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: flew down on my sugar eyes plane with my best friend. 140 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: So really it wasn't that dirty, Like I wasn't putting 141 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: myself where anyone else at risk. Okay, well you just 142 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 1: said you bleached it before you did it, but you 143 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: also say you did it to show that there's no 144 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 1: danger and everybody shouldn't be concerned. So if there's no danger, 145 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: everybody shouldn't be concerned. And why did you bleach it? Oh? Well, 146 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:55,959 Speaker 1: I've bleached it because you know, like people like Coop 147 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: on there, That's why I bleach it. Like you know 148 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: what you did tell you that you didn't say I'm 149 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:03,559 Speaker 1: going to bleach this and lick it. I'm going to 150 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,199 Speaker 1: clean it like it was in a labut that then 151 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: I'm going to bleach it. So you lied to people. Well, joh, 152 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: I mean that's what the media is doing. I think 153 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: with this entire virus. You were hearing our friend doctor 154 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: Phil coming down on prankster Ava Louise. You know, I've researched. 155 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: I pulled up the laws with the z video. Again, 156 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: it's not his home. He is in a public bathroom. 157 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: Laughing and joking and licking not only the toilet, but 158 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:35,079 Speaker 1: who knows what else, just to get followers. You heard 159 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: him say he doesn't even speak to his own family 160 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 1: because they can't make him relevant. And the whole point 161 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: is that the message they are sending is there is 162 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: no danger to COVID nineteen. What message are children, twins 163 00:10:50,040 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: and teens getting it from? This Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, 164 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:12,319 Speaker 1: everybody again, thank you for being with us here at 165 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: Fox Nation and Serious XM one eleven. We're starting off 166 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: with coronavirus crimes pranks. Then we'll work into the felonies 167 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: and believe me, there's never a lack of business. We're 168 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: talking right now about Ava Louise licking the commode on 169 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: a flight Jacu. Let's hear doctor Phil speaking to Ava Louise. 170 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: And I was like really annoyed that Corona was getting 171 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,439 Speaker 1: more publicity than me because I currently have like a 172 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: song going vile right now when no one was covering it. 173 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: So I decided to hop on the Corona wave. But yeah, 174 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: I just did lie to people, Yeah I did, and 175 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: it did exactly what I thought it was going to do. 176 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: Like it's funny because I created the fake news myself, 177 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: as I feel like I definitely represent like the whole 178 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: gen Z like population in I'm not terrified of this. 179 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:11,439 Speaker 1: I basically took things that your generation and boomers are 180 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: scared of, and I capitalize off of it, and I 181 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: created it made mainstream media so I and I'm sure 182 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: there was government officials freaking out about it and things 183 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: like that. I literally I manipulated headlines in the political 184 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: like like rain, I had Megan McCain talking about me. 185 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 1: I was on the view and I was sitting at 186 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: home laughing, sitting at home and laughing. I jump in 187 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: here for just a minute. Is this doctor Angela Arnold 188 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: or Kathleen Murphy. This is Kathleen Murphy. Yes, you know what. 189 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: I was about to go to a shrink, but jumping 190 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 1: Kathleen hit me. Please arrest her. Why has she not 191 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:52,319 Speaker 1: been arrested? And of the nine incidents I know about 192 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:57,119 Speaker 1: these prankings, only four of the individuals have been arrested. 193 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: But yet there's a Department of Publication that says this 194 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: is a biological agent and there is a terroristic threat 195 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 1: associated with this type of bage. Now, the ones that 196 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 1: have been arrested so far include coughing on produced meat 197 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 1: and bakery goods that are about to be sold at 198 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: a Wagments grocery store, coughing on a grocery store worker 199 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: going through the aisles of a Walmart on video, then 200 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: posted claiming that the person had justin Rhodes had a 201 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 1: coronavirus and that we're all going to get it to 202 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: He was there purportedly trying to infect people, making a 203 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: direct biological threat, which equals terroristic threats. And Kathleen Murphy, 204 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:46,319 Speaker 1: to your understanding, terroristic threats can carry one to three 205 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: up to fifteen twenty years depending on the jurisdiction in 206 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: our country. Correct, and if she has, whether she's infected 207 00:13:54,960 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: anyone or not, it was her intent to create this scenario, 208 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: create fear that leads other people, well, you know what 209 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: to doctor Angela Arnold. I want to pick up on 210 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 1: what Kathleen Murphy just said, North Carolina lawyer, doctor Angela Arnold, 211 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: psychiatrists joining me out of Atlanta, Doctor Angela. She actually said, Hi, dear, 212 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: that these are things you boomers speaking to doctor phil 213 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: Your generation is afraid of people are dropping dead, dropping dead. 214 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: I've had one of my very closest family members with 215 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: coronavirus in California. This is not a laughing matter. So 216 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: what is the danger of what pranksters are doing, doctor Angela? Well, Nancy, 217 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: I think that one of the things that this whole 218 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: coronavirus is doing, it's flushing these narcissists out, and they 219 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: just like this large guy said she, Hey, you know what, 220 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: doctor Angela. You know how I feel about you. I 221 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: respect you, I care for you. But please don't throw 222 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: around psychological or psychiatric terms like narcissist to people like us. 223 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: It may not know what you're talking about. Nancy. Yes 224 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: they are. It is a real disorder. It is a 225 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: real personality disorder. And one of the and the and 226 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: the Internet and the social media is just a feeding 227 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: ground for people like us. Okay, And yes, I believe 228 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: they should be arrested. I don't believe that they're thinking clearly, absolutely, 229 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: But why would you say that I'm quote hopping on 230 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: the coronavirus wave. I think it's what Eva Louise said 231 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: to doctor phil Oh whoa an idiot, isn't she? Well? 232 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: Is idiot a psychiatric term? Is that? In the DSM? 233 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: I mean, there's gotta be a name to this disorder. 234 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: Is it narcissistic? Like, yes, narcissus who looked at his 235 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: own image and a pool of water. All you see 236 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: in the world is yourself. Well, okay, now I'm getting it, 237 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: doctor Angela. And she wants to be famous, and this 238 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: is her way to make her pathetic little self famous. 239 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: Let's also not forget that she in her that she 240 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: said to doctor Phil she was on a her sugar 241 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: daddy's plane. I didn't live that in her not judging 242 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: not judging her sugar daddy's plane. Yeah, you know what 243 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: my condolence is to him. You know, I want to 244 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: take a look at something even more devastating. I'm worried 245 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: about this making light of coronavirus. I doubt pretty seriously 246 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: the families of those people that are in the hospital 247 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: struggling to breathe right now or have passed away. I 248 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: think it's very funny. But you know, Ava Louise was concerned. 249 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: Nobody her of her. I've never heard of her, and 250 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: I hope I never hear of her again. But there 251 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:08,640 Speaker 1: is another issue, and that is the release of violent falons. 252 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 1: Compassionate release over COVID nineteen Jackie, let's hear about D'Angelo 253 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: stone Cutty Leven police. The sounds of a mother's pain 254 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: filled the streets of Avondale Friday night as Margaret Williams 255 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: remembers her son, Ronald, who was also known as Tony 256 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: or Bags. This is the worst pain you can ever feel, 257 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: no matter if your child's three to thirty eight. It's 258 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: just horrible to lose somebody like that. Ronald Antonio Williams 259 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: was gunned down in this bond Hill parking lot Thursday 260 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: morning while he sat in a car. He was well loved. 261 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,880 Speaker 1: My son touched a lot of people's heart. Even though 262 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: he was kind up in things in his life, he 263 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: always wanted the streets to be safe for these kids. 264 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 1: Cincinnati Police didn't have any updates to the case today, 265 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: but the family remains hopeful that he'll get some answers 266 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:04,360 Speaker 1: soon because several businesses have surveillance cameras just like this 267 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 1: one at the office for Vice Mayor Chris Smitherman, and 268 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: we're told that these businesses have turned over their surveillance 269 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: to police. Put these cameras. The cameras speak out. Let 270 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,360 Speaker 1: you know if somebody dn't see something, somebody was right. 271 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: There was eight thirty nine in the morning. You were 272 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: hearing our friends at w k RC Local twelve. That 273 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: was Walter Smith Randolph speaking. D'Angelo Stone has just been released. 274 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 1: He's not elderly, he doesn't have an underlying health concern. 275 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: Why was he released. He's behind bars on charges of 276 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 1: attempted of murder. And you just heard the mother of 277 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: Tony screaming out. That was Margaret Williams screaming out in 278 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 1: pain straight out to our friend from the New York Post, 279 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: Tina Moore, what happened. A lot of cities are letting 280 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: inmates out compassionate release. They're falling it because the illness 281 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 1: spread so fast through jail, and you think about a 282 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: city like New York works spreading quickly. It's just even 283 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: worse in jail where people are so close together. So 284 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 1: they're letting people out, and I'm hearing the people out 285 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: here getting out who probably shouldn't get out either. So 286 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: that's what's happening. You know. The compassionate release for COVID nineteen, 287 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:23,439 Speaker 1: where people are behind bars in tight, cramped quarters, is 288 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 1: supposed to apply to people with misdemeanor charges that have 289 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: some health elment, but that doesn't seem to be the 290 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 1: way that it is working out. Take a listen to 291 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 1: Miss Williams speaking with WLWT News five Chatara McGee, this 292 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: is the worst pain you can ever feel. More than 293 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: nine months after Margaret Williams lost her son Tony Williams, 294 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 1: that pain is still fresh. Anything happen back, anything. This 295 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: shooting was caught on surveillance video near Base Mayor Chris 296 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:00,159 Speaker 1: Smitherman's office in Von Hill. The alleged killer, it was 297 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 1: caught days later. So it's devastating to know that de'angelo 298 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: Stone is out walking his streets and my family is 299 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 1: still suffering, still crying, still trying to accept this now 300 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: awaiting trial out of handcuffs. D'Angelo stones Friday release comes 301 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 1: as the Hamilton County Justice Center releases some non violent, 302 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: low level offenders to prevent the potential spread of COVID 303 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: nineteen inside the jail. Stone is facing multiple felonies, including 304 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: murder and having weapons under disability. I want to point 305 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: out that the victim in this case, Ronald Tony Williams, 306 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: lays behind three children, one just two years old. His 307 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: mother Margaret tells us quote he can go to his 308 00:20:50,080 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: mother now, but Ronald can never, never hug me, Hi, guys. 309 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace here, I have investigated and prosecuted literally thousands 310 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 1: of felony cases. I have covered literally thousands of cases 311 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: of missing people, adults and children, unsolved homicides, violent crimes. 312 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: My question is what can we do about it. I 313 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: don't want to just sit back and report on it. 314 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: I want to take action and I know you must 315 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 1: feel the same way. And here is the news we 316 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: have all worked so hard to bring to you. Don't 317 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 1: Be a Victim Fighting Back against America's Crime Wave a 318 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 1: brand new book you can pre order now go to 319 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:52,239 Speaker 1: crime online dot com. This book is for everyone. It 320 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: even includes how to stay safe while you travel in hotels? 321 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: If you're abroad, what do you do to make sure 322 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: you come home safely to your family. 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Twenty nine 332 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: year old David Cruz, a guy with a lengthy record 333 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 1: of arrests, was charged with Tristan's murder. Only as of Thursday, 334 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: he's out of the Harris County jail and he didn't 335 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: have to put up a dime for bail. Cruz's argument 336 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: to the judge was the fear of getting coronavirus. It worked. 337 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 1: We want to make it very clear to our Harris 338 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 1: County community there are no mass releases planned. Our number 339 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: one priority will always be public safety. They are talking 340 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: about releasing non violent criminals, but yet this person was released. 341 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: Today we got another statement from the Sheriff's office. The 342 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: Harris County Sheriff's Office had no role in an independent 343 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 1: judge's decision to release this specific inmate, and that's true. 344 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,159 Speaker 1: This week, we've learned the sheriff asked for thirty five releases. 345 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 1: They all appear to be misdemeanor defendants. The DA's office 346 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: didn't want this to happen either. Now, this was the 347 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,159 Speaker 1: decision of one judge, the Sean Jones you charge him 348 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,919 Speaker 1: with murder and you released him. Just then you were 349 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 1: hearing our friends at KPRC two. That was reporter Joel 350 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: Eisenbaum to tinam Or joining us reporter with the New 351 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: York Post. This is what I know about Judge Deshaun Jones, 352 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 1: who released Cruise because Cruz said he was afraid of 353 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: getting coronavirus. We know that Deshaun Jones, the judge, has 354 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: sided with defendants throughout his tenure on the bench, including 355 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:22,199 Speaker 1: with a death row inmate. So you've got this judge 356 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 1: DeShawn Jones on the bench letting an accused killer free 357 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 1: because his lawyer says he's afraid of coronavirus. And I 358 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: would like to point out, Tina, that I did little 359 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 1: research on David Cruz. Turns out that he's already been 360 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: in jail on a deadly hit and run where he 361 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 1: mowed somebody down and then left the scene. In this case, 362 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 1: we understand that he shot his friend Christian Tristan dead, 363 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 1: left him in a pool of blood, and then he 364 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:57,160 Speaker 1: David Cruz had the wherewithal allegedly to throw the gun 365 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: over a bridge into a body of water. I don't 366 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: think his release was what the sheriff intended. I don't 367 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:07,640 Speaker 1: think so either. I mean, he said he did say. 368 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: I read that crew said it was an accident. I 369 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 1: have no idea if that's true or not. But I 370 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,959 Speaker 1: think with these judges and what everybody's in jurisdictions are 371 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,120 Speaker 1: faced with is are you going to let people die 372 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 1: in jail? And that's that's the problem. And then also 373 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: I wonder how much they're worried about being sued later 374 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,360 Speaker 1: if people do die in jail. Well, you know, I'm 375 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,959 Speaker 1: thinking about this, Kathleen Murphy. You've you've been in several jails, 376 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 1: just like myself. I think the idea of compassionate release 377 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: for people that are elderly that have underlying health issues, 378 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: not charged with violent felonies, for instance, on misdemeanor charges, 379 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: and they're sitting there and they just haven't gotten a bond. 380 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: In my mind, those people would be perfect candidates for 381 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,400 Speaker 1: early release. I think this issue is kind of twofold. Yeah, 382 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 1: there's some compassionate release issues, but it really comes down 383 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 1: to this judge. The Shawn Jones has an agenda, and 384 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:06,120 Speaker 1: his agenda is pretty clear, and he cites the Eighth 385 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 1: Amendment against excessive bail etc. But if you're looking at 386 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 1: compassionate care, you're absolutely right, Nancy. It's for people who 387 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,880 Speaker 1: are older, people who may not be able to tolerate 388 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 1: this virus. But this guy in particular was also convicted 389 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 1: of leaving a hit and run scene and somebody dying. Yes, 390 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 1: And I want to go back to Tina Moore's point 391 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: with a New York Post, I mean, the reality is 392 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 1: to James Shelman, twenty seven years Metro major case swat 393 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,640 Speaker 1: officer now lawyer, he Cruz is claiming and was an 394 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: accident the shooting. But if it were an accident, why 395 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 1: leave your friend your friend to die in a pool 396 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: of blood and all you're thinking about is getting rid 397 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: of the murder weapon. I mean, you could easily block 398 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: your phone and call nine one one to save your 399 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: friend's life if you were afraid, you get pegged with 400 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: the murder. But none of that happened. No. One of 401 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: the first things that you look at us and investigated 402 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: when someone says this is a quote accident, as you 403 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: look at whether or not their actions following this supposed 404 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: accident or consistent with it being an accident, or consistent 405 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 1: with it being something else, you're spot on with this. 406 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: He could have called ninel one, he could have taken 407 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: a variety of actions, but the actions that he took 408 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,159 Speaker 1: led him to be where he's at today. And you know, 409 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,919 Speaker 1: you talk about compassionate release, what about the compassion for 410 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: these victims and their families. You know, when we're talking about, 411 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 1: you know, liability. You know, if you look at liability, 412 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 1: who's got the better case on liability? The poor gal 413 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 1: that's in there for disorderly conduct, who's made to stay 414 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 1: in the coronavirus infected jail, or the murderer. Well, I 415 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: guarantee you that a case can be made to let 416 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 1: the guy out who's in there on disorderly conduct a 417 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 1: lot quicker than the guy who's in there from murder. 418 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 1: I agree with you. I do not think that low 419 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 1: level crimes like misdemeanors, the extremely elderly, those that are 420 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,120 Speaker 1: already sick, they should be given release. As much as 421 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 1: I don't like it, I think that's the right thing 422 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 1: to do. But not people like Cruise, but two dead 423 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 1: bodies under his belt. Take a listen to our friends 424 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 1: Fox twenty six Houston, Randy Wallace. When we were first 425 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:17,160 Speaker 1: told about the compassionate releases. The inmates considered were described 426 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 1: as those in their fifties and sixties with health problems 427 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: and non violent offenses. That doesn't describe twenty eight year 428 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: old David Cruz. A judge released Cruise on a PR 429 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: bond because Cruz was afraid of catching COVID nineteen. Happy 430 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 1: Birthday to twenty seven year old Kristen Tristan won't be 431 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: singing Happy Birthday to his mother anymore, and she won't 432 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: be celebrating his birthday next week. Kristin Tristan was shot 433 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: to death last August, allegedly at the hands up twenty 434 00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 1: seven year old David Cruz. Tristan, who was still reeling 435 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: from Christian's death, found out Wednesday her son's alleged killer, 436 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: David Cruz, was released from jail on a PR bond, 437 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: meaning he didn't have to pay a dime. I don't 438 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 1: know what to think anymore. I don't know what to think. Well, 439 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 1: it's not just these two. There are allegians of violent 440 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 1: offenders getting released. So not only do we have to 441 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: worry about our children's safety and our safety and sheltering 442 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 1: at home, self isolation quarantine, we now have to worry 443 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: about these guys getting up. Have you ever heard the 444 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: name Richard Lundy? If you haven't, you will now take 445 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 1: a list of to our friends at w j W 446 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 1: Fox eight. Cleveland, Authornities have arrested day Lakewood man for 447 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: the murder of his son. The Acron Division of the 448 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: Northern Ohio Violent Fugitive Task Force found Richard Lundy. They say. 449 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 1: The forty one year old was arrested nine years ago 450 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: and later convicted of three counts of felonious assault. Lundy 451 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: had been released from a state prison in September. His 452 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: child and Syria's head trauma and died in April of 453 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: this year as a result of three separate assaults. Lakewood 454 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 1: police charge Lundy with aggravated murder last month, What if anything, 455 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: do we know about Richard Lundy now being released because 456 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,479 Speaker 1: of the coronavirus scare? You know, I want to go 457 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: first to you, Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor forensic jacksonvill State University. 458 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 1: Fill me in on Lundy and what your take is 459 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 1: on coronavirus behind bar threat. You know, this is something 460 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: that we're experiencing nationwide in circumstances that are close quarters. 461 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: And let me kind of break this down. Even the 462 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,959 Speaker 1: military at this point, when you look at basic training 463 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 1: sites like the Navy, the Air Force, and the Army, 464 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: and particularly Marines, just came out with a distancing issue. 465 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 1: And when people live in close proximity to one another, Nancy, 466 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: it can get really nasty in there. You're breathing, you're coughing, 467 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: and in these environments, in these prisons, and they're like 468 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 1: these dirty little Petrie dishes that you have in science 469 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 1: class when you're a kid, where you're trying to get 470 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: viruses to grow, and it's really really hard to get 471 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: these things cleaned out. So my thought is, I don't 472 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 1: understand what the rationale is with releasing violent offenders when 473 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 1: they could let the lesser charged out and then spread 474 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 1: these violent offenders out even a cells with distance between 475 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 1: these individuals, and scrub these vacated cells and put people 476 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: in there where you can knock it down. Because listen, 477 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 1: this is not like something. This virus is not like 478 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: something it just poof and banishes. You have to stay 479 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 1: on top of this. It's just like I've been saying 480 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 1: all along, we don't talk about well people are cured 481 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 1: of the flu. We talk about it in a sense 482 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: of a season, and so the flu season eventually passes. 483 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 1: This too will pass, but we have to be careful. Well, 484 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: I agree. I think that we have to be compassionate 485 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:03,959 Speaker 1: to people behind bars, but risking innocent people on the 486 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: outside by releasing violent offenders is not the answer. Crime 487 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, today we are talking about 488 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: Corona virus crimes, the next wave. We hardly know where 489 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 1: to start, but I want to tell you about a 490 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 1: protest and threats to commit suicide by detainees in an 491 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 1: Alabama correctional facility. Listen, Oh yeah, I'm alive. Rola's love. 492 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 1: It's love, It's love. You feel me. They're not caring. 493 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 1: They got three positive tested for the coronavirus. They here 494 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 1: with us. They brought them in here today while we 495 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 1: was sleeping, and they not tality, not trying to let 496 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 1: them out of here. We're telling them, y y'all gotta 497 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 1: take them out of here or we're gonna turn up 498 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: in here. They're threatened it to shoot us with tasers 499 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 1: and pellet guns and tear gas and all that. You 500 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 1: feel said, like, guys, you are hearing sound from the 501 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 1: Washington Post that it's live. Facebook video from a smuggled 502 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 1: cell phone in Alabama, inmates at the facility Ottawa County, 503 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 1: Alabama used a smuggle cell phone to record their protest 504 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 1: and it went live. This is what we know. The 505 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 1: detainees and the facility were angry because three ICE detainees 506 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 1: were transported to the facility with a fourth inmate who 507 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 1: was wearing a face mask, and they assumed he had coronavirus. 508 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 1: So the inmates were angry. These three detainees were released 509 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 1: amongst them. They then made who made nooses out of sheets, 510 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 1: got up on a second floor ledge and threatened to 511 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:11,719 Speaker 1: commit suicide. Okay, to doctor ANGELA. Arnold, psychiatrists joining us 512 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 1: out of the Atlanta jurisdiction, what do you make of 513 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,879 Speaker 1: it sounds to me like the inmates are I mean, 514 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 1: I would be I would be worried. I would be scared. 515 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 1: But it sounds like they're upping their auntie so that 516 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,279 Speaker 1: someone will listen to them. They're not really going to 517 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 1: commit suicide, but they'd want to be heard. I don't 518 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:35,239 Speaker 1: understand why these coronavirus infected people will put into the 519 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,719 Speaker 1: same population. Can't they separate people? But first of all, 520 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 1: we don't know they had coronavirus. We know that the 521 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 1: three ICE detainees were in a transport van with a 522 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,759 Speaker 1: guy that had on a face mask. The three detainees 523 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 1: have been tested. I think that there are answers, but 524 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,399 Speaker 1: I get I agree with you, doctor Angela. I would 525 00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 1: be afraid behind bars. I would be afraid for my 526 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 1: loved one if they were behind bars. The reality what 527 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 1: do we do with it, Kathleen Murphy, open the doors 528 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,319 Speaker 1: and let everybody out of jail. What's the answer, Well, 529 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,879 Speaker 1: you think about it this way, Nancy. Think about all 530 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 1: the people that have to monitor the ankle bracelets. Think 531 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 1: about all the probation officers. Think about all the employees 532 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,960 Speaker 1: over at the courthouse. Who's got to monitor whether they're 533 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 1: commitment complying with the drug or alcohol restrictions. It takes 534 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 1: just as many people to monitor these ICE individuals as 535 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 1: it does to monitor them in the detention. And it 536 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,840 Speaker 1: comes to the comes down to are they violent or 537 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 1: are they not violent? I think you're right. I think 538 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 1: non violent offenders such as dope addicts, maybe even low 539 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,239 Speaker 1: level dope dealers with maybe you know, three to five 540 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,840 Speaker 1: hits a crack or the equivalent. Not talking about drug 541 00:35:54,880 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 1: lords shoplifters, low level, I'm theft of cars. That type 542 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:07,600 Speaker 1: of crime should be disorderly conduct, misdemeanors of local ordinance violators. 543 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,240 Speaker 1: Those should be let out. I don't know the answer 544 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 1: for the others. I want to tell you about another. 545 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,840 Speaker 1: When you think go ahead, jump in, I'm sorry but 546 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:22,000 Speaker 1: jumping into here. My first thought was, is Bernie Madoff 547 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:26,399 Speaker 1: a nonviolent offender? Because he's seeking compassionate release right now 548 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,319 Speaker 1: from a federal prison in North Carolina. And I just 549 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 1: think about that person who's done so much damage to 550 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,799 Speaker 1: so many people, but yet he's non violent. So yeah, 551 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,960 Speaker 1: now we're down to splitting hairs trying to find Yeah, 552 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,400 Speaker 1: I agree with you. I don't want him out. But 553 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,439 Speaker 1: if we're letting out non violent offenders, would he be one. 554 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,440 Speaker 1: Here's another coronavirus crime threat. You need to be worried 555 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 1: about door to door coronavirus testing. Talking about like encyclopedias 556 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 1: or vacuum cleaners. Take a listen to our friends at 557 00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,360 Speaker 1: ABC thirty Fresne Warren Armstrong. The Portaville Fire Department is 558 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 1: warning residents of scammers roaming neighborhoods tonight. They're impersonating police 559 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 1: officers and firefighters claiming they have tests for COVID nineteen. 560 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,719 Speaker 1: Authorities say residents have reported seeing the impersonators go door 561 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,840 Speaker 1: to door attempting to sell fake tests for the coronavirus. 562 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,239 Speaker 1: Firefighters say a test would never be issued at someone's door, 563 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,320 Speaker 1: and if you see these scammers, call nine one one. 564 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,480 Speaker 1: And it's not just there in Fresno. Take listen to 565 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:31,239 Speaker 1: WPTV West Palm Beach, Florida. This is Maris Babcock. If 566 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,360 Speaker 1: you get a knock on the door, officials are warning 567 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:37,920 Speaker 1: beware of people peddling scams tied to the coronavirus pandemic. 568 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 1: We talked to a man in Boca Raton who says 569 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 1: it happened to him. It's just a shame that there 570 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:47,120 Speaker 1: are people scamming already with such a terrible thing going on. 571 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,800 Speaker 1: Boca Raton resident more Zumansky was getting his home ready 572 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 1: and Casey had to self quarantine when two strangers showed up. 573 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 1: They were knocking on doors asking people if they wanted 574 00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 1: coronavirus test for three hundred bucks. Yeah. Well, they weren't 575 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,360 Speaker 1: getting three cents out of me. I was ready to 576 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,760 Speaker 1: call the police immediately. The scammers were dressed in Florida 577 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,440 Speaker 1: business casual attire and had plastic bags and Q tips, 578 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 1: but no gloves, masks, or credentials. So I says, I'm 579 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 1: going to call my doctor to make her it's okay. 580 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 1: By the time I got back to the door, they 581 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:25,360 Speaker 1: were gone. More's called what is the address of the emergency? 582 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,040 Speaker 1: There's some people that came to my door yesterday that 583 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 1: offered me a coronavirus test and also sent this text 584 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:36,440 Speaker 1: to his friends. You feel like this was a scam, right? Oh? Definitely. 585 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:43,279 Speaker 1: I don't think CDC or our Boca Health department is 586 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:47,200 Speaker 1: going to send people to your door unless you know 587 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,400 Speaker 1: you know about it beforehand, you during rite, it's a scam. 588 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,000 Speaker 1: People are waiting five and six hours in a line 589 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:57,160 Speaker 1: for drive through testing right now. The CDC has not 590 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,480 Speaker 1: released mass tests for the public. They show up at 591 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:08,640 Speaker 1: your door. Coronavirus is extremely dangerous and communicable, so why 592 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,360 Speaker 1: would they come to your home to do such a 593 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,719 Speaker 1: sensitive test. To Tina Moore joining us from the New 594 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:21,439 Speaker 1: York Post, the do door to door coronavirus testing scam 595 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,359 Speaker 1: is taking over the country, Tina, Great, I mean people 596 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,279 Speaker 1: need to stay informed. They need to stay informed with 597 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,880 Speaker 1: various sources of things to know what's going on, because, 598 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,960 Speaker 1: like you said, anybody who's watched TV or read newsaper 599 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,480 Speaker 1: stories would see that people are reading in line and 600 00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,000 Speaker 1: see how hard it is to get tests and see 601 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,880 Speaker 1: how few tests are are available, and would know that 602 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,279 Speaker 1: that's yes when the person shows up at their door. 603 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,560 Speaker 1: You know, that's a technical legal term that I like 604 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,120 Speaker 1: to throw around whenever possible. Tina, I didn't know you 605 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,000 Speaker 1: had your law degree. The b S factor you know 606 00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:52,080 Speaker 1: to James Shelnu twenty seven years Metro major case SWAT 607 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,480 Speaker 1: now lawyer James Shelnu, how do we catch these guys? 608 00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,560 Speaker 1: You know, you rely heavily on the public to call 609 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,319 Speaker 1: whether they're there. Yeah, you know quite often, you know, 610 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,680 Speaker 1: you don't know who they are, as this guy says, 611 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:05,840 Speaker 1: until the police actually show up and identify them. So 612 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,040 Speaker 1: calling nine one one immediately after they're at your door, 613 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,560 Speaker 1: or if you see people that you suspect maybe doing this, 614 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,919 Speaker 1: the best thing is for police to catch them on sight. 615 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,720 Speaker 1: You know. Unfortunately, one of the things that you see 616 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,200 Speaker 1: and we have always seen over the years with these 617 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,400 Speaker 1: people who scam people as they go for people often 618 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:26,320 Speaker 1: who are vulnerable, vulnerable ability, whether or not it is 619 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,800 Speaker 1: a senior citizen, whether or not that it is. People 620 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,360 Speaker 1: who are in a panic about the coronavirus being vulnerable 621 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,000 Speaker 1: is their number one target, and although that's not always 622 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 1: the case, that's the first ones that's on their list. 623 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,720 Speaker 1: And the reality is to you Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor 624 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,920 Speaker 1: forensics an author, Joe Scott. We are told to stay 625 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,920 Speaker 1: home where and be safe, but with people like these scameras, 626 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,120 Speaker 1: we're not there. This is either a way to get 627 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:55,120 Speaker 1: your credit card information, your money, or as a distraction 628 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:59,440 Speaker 1: robbery attempt, get distracted, get the victim distracted with a 629 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:03,560 Speaker 1: fake ronavirus test and then rob them or worse. Yeah, 630 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,440 Speaker 1: you're right, and people are terrified. Let's just let's go 631 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,440 Speaker 1: ahead and put that on the table. People are terrified. 632 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,400 Speaker 1: They're sitting at home, they're watching a lot of news, 633 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:15,200 Speaker 1: they're jesting all this information. So we've got heightened anxiety anyway, 634 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,959 Speaker 1: and it kind of dovetail what James was saying. I'd 635 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,400 Speaker 1: also recommend calling the county health department as well, and 636 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,400 Speaker 1: also if you can't get through to them, talk to 637 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,480 Speaker 1: the people in your emergency management department, because trust me, 638 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,279 Speaker 1: those people are on top of this and they know 639 00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,919 Speaker 1: what's going on. Relative to available testing, you can get 640 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:39,080 Speaker 1: testing in your area, perhaps, if not today, sometime very soon. 641 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,680 Speaker 1: But don't trust somebody that just comes up to your door. 642 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,399 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, don't even open the door. 643 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,520 Speaker 1: Don't even the camel's nose and the tent his tail 644 00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:53,360 Speaker 1: will surely follow. Coronavirus, hoaxes, terroristic threats, murder suspects released 645 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:59,320 Speaker 1: door to door cons Be careful, stay safe. Nancy Grace 646 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:06,640 Speaker 1: Crime Stories, signing off, goodbye, friend M.