1 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, let's just all take one big deep breath. 2 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: MLB's trade deadline is officially over, and the Saint Louis 3 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: Cardinals did indeed trade the three players we all thought 4 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: they would, and nothing more. Welcome back to Cardinal Territory. 5 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: I'm your host, Katie Wu. Let's break down the last 6 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,479 Speaker 1: forty eight hours. They were big. In case you missed it, 7 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: Ryan Helsley went to the New York Mets, Stephen Mattz 8 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: to the Boston Red Sox, and John Moseylack trade deadline 9 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 1: tradition unlike any other. Phil Mayton went to the Texas 10 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: Rangers minutes before that five pm Central Time deadline. One 11 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 1: minute and eight seconds to be exact, is what he 12 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: told us. Moe does a buzzer beater at the deadline 13 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 1: every year, so at least he's going out on a 14 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: consistent note. Saint Louis landed six total prospects in return. 15 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: If you need a refresher, I got you, shortstop, Hey. 16 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: Sus Baia's and right handers Nate Dome and Frank ellis 17 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: Alt went to Saint Louis in exchange for Ryan. That 18 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: trade went down Wednesday afternoon. Bay has entered the season 19 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: listed as the mets seventh RNGTH prospect and dome at 20 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,839 Speaker 1: number seventeen. Per the Athletics Keith Law, all three prospects 21 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: in this trade were playing for the Mets High A affiliate, 22 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: and all three will join High Aporia. I believe they 23 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 1: were all added to that roster Thursday morning. Blaise Jordan, 24 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 1: a corner infielder in Triple A, was the lone return 25 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 1: for Stephen Mattz. He has an eight twenty o ps 26 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: with six homers and eleven doubles over forty four games. 27 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: After being promoted midway through the season, Jordan was added 28 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: to Triple A Memphis roster on Thursday. Obviously, there's a 29 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: connection here with Boston High and bloom Well burst with 30 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: that farm system after spending four seasons as the Red 31 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 1: Sox chief baseball officer. That clearly went into play with 32 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: this deal. For Phil Maton, the Cardinals landed minor league 33 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: pitching prospects Mason Molina and no relation to Yadira and 34 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: Skyler Hale's plus international bonus pool money. Molina is a 35 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: left hander who's twenty two years old. He's made eighteen 36 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: appearances seventeen starts in hi A Ball this year he 37 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: has a three one with ninety two strikeouts ever seventy 38 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: four innings, so that's intriguing. Hales iss Avariety. He was 39 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: the Rangers' fourth round pick in twenty twenty three. He 40 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,959 Speaker 1: struggled between double and TRIPAA. This year has a seven 41 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: to six four ERA over thirty four games. But the 42 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: Cardinals will need to backfill their depth in Memphis and 43 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: per MLB Pipeline, these are two top thirty prospects in 44 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: the Rangers organization. So landing that for a two month 45 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: rental plus bonus pool money, that gives me an initial 46 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: feeling that this is a good trade for Saint Louis. Again, 47 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: that trade went down minutes before the deadline, so we 48 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 1: are still configuring what exactly that return looks like. Here's 49 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: my disclaimer, you guys, I'm no prospect expert. We can 50 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 1: go off rankings, but rankings are subjective and each publication, 51 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 1: whether it's the Athletic, MLB Pipeline, Baseball America, they all 52 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: do a fantastic job. They all evaluate minor league systems 53 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: and prospects differently. Also, team rankings vary by organization. What 54 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: I do know it will likely be years before we 55 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: can truly evaluate if these trades panned out for Saint Louis, 56 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 1: which brings me to my next point. John Mozella held 57 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,679 Speaker 1: a zoom call with reporters. He was coming from his 58 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: office at Bush JADM. Most of us are in San 59 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: Diego for the three game series that begins on Friday, 60 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: and he gave us a rundown of the deadline in 61 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:17,239 Speaker 1: which he said the long term view was the priority. 62 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: The Cardinals did not want to sell. It's clear that 63 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: their play in July made this the most sensical solution. 64 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: This is what they should have done, even though it's 65 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 1: not a popular choice. Even though it's disheartening, it's disappointing. 66 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:31,959 Speaker 1: It's a disappointing day for the organization. There's no way 67 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: around that. But the hope is that if we look 68 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: back at this year, or i'm sorry, this day many 69 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: years ahead, that it was ultimately got the organization on 70 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: the right foot, trending in the right direction as they 71 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: look to rebuild their player development system and bolster their 72 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: farm system. We knew that was the priority for the 73 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: organization going into the season. So here's what MOE had 74 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: to say about the deadline. His final deadline. As the 75 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: Cardinal's President baseball Operations, he said, the goal of this 76 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: trading deadline was about the future, and I don't think 77 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: it's necessarily about the immediate future. It's about the long 78 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: term view of the Saint Louis Cardinals. What does that mean. 79 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: It means the Cardinals targeted the best available minor league 80 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: talent that they could get for three rentals, and they 81 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 1: did not covet major league or knocking on the door 82 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: major league ready talent. The Cardinals went into the deadline 83 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 1: trying to move their expiring contracts. We know that we 84 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: knew that they were going to move Helsley, Mayton and Matt's. 85 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: The only question was what would they be able to 86 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 1: get for three rentals. Knowing that, the relief market really 87 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 1: kind of blew up because there was no front line 88 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 1: starting pitcher available, so most contending teams elected to bolster 89 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: their bullpen. You look at what the Mets did and 90 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 1: their super bullpen. You look at what the Padres did 91 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 1: adding Mason Miller from the A's. That was a crazy move. 92 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: So there was a demand for believers. But at the 93 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: end of the day, they are all three rentals, so 94 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 1: that is going to play into the return. Most said, 95 00:04:57,279 --> 00:04:59,919 Speaker 1: the goal of these moves I'm quoting him here was 96 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: to position the organization for future talent, not necessarily just 97 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: guys that are knocking on the door for BIB League 98 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:07,919 Speaker 1: opportunities next year. It was really about trying to create 99 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 1: as much prospect value as possible, and we felt we 100 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: achieved that. Again, it's going to take a long time 101 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: before we see if these panned out for the Cardinals. 102 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 1: I will say to me, this deadline is a much 103 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: different from when the Cardinals sold in twenty twenty three. Yes, 104 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three, the Cardinals also only traded players 105 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: on expiring deals, same as this year, but what they 106 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: targeted in twenty twenty three was pitching depth, specifically in 107 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: the upper minor league system and soon to be major 108 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: league ready talent. And the reason that they did that 109 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three, with the reason why that the 110 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: front office looked for that specifically and in return, was 111 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 1: because they wanted to return to contention soon. They wanted 112 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 1: to compete in twenty twenty four. They thought maybe they 113 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 1: could get away one more year of building a team 114 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: possibly good enough to contend for a wild card spot 115 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 1: and maybe get in. They wanted to avoid a rebuild 116 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 1: this year, they have seemed to acknowledge that is not 117 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 1: going to be possible. They went and they got a 118 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,359 Speaker 1: ton of high A guys. Boase Jordan is the only 119 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: one in double A or above right now. We'll see 120 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 1: where those two Rangers prospects slot in. But like Mos said, 121 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: the goal was to acquire the top talent they could get, 122 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: not necessarily players that would come in and immediately help 123 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 1: the organization or look to twenty twenty six. That to 124 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 1: me signals that this is going to be and we 125 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: talked about it on the show before a multi year transition, 126 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: and the point of the twenty twenty five year was 127 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: to see how long this reset, call it what it is, 128 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 1: it's a rebuild, would take. The Cardinal Seam resigned to 129 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: the fact that this is going to be a multi 130 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,479 Speaker 1: year project and heim Bloom will have his work cut 131 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: out for him as he takes over the organization come 132 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:48,919 Speaker 1: this offseason. It's disappointing, but I think it's refreshing that 133 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: the organization had this honest assessment after multiple seasons of 134 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: trying to skate by and trying to just kind of 135 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: compete but not really acknowledge the major problems in their 136 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: player development system. 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In his press conference with Sam Lueli's reporters, John 168 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: Mozelax said the Cardinals were hit hard on their left 169 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 1: handed hitters, specifically Brendan Donovan, Alec Grilson, and Lars new Bar. 170 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: And if that's the case, and if acquiring minor league 171 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 1: talent was the priority, why didn't the Cardinals try to 172 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: capitalize by moving their position players. That's probably the question 173 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 1: you have. That was my question as well. The answer 174 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 1: the Cardinals were to say that they were going into 175 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: this deadline only willing to move their pending free agents, 176 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: that'd be disingenuous, that would not be totally accurate to 177 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 1: say that they were not motivated to trade their position 178 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: players or players with multiple years of control unless they 179 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 1: were blown out of the water with the return price. 180 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: That is accurate. Here's a quote from John mozaylog we 181 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: got hit a lot on our left handed hitters, but 182 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 1: none of the types of offers we were getting for 183 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:24,319 Speaker 1: those players were compelling for us to do it. We 184 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: were not motivated to move players that we had under 185 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: control unless we were to put it mildly blown away, 186 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: and we just weren't. So the Cardinals instead kept their 187 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: position playing cores. Obviously, new Bars on the il Nolan 188 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 1: Gorman as well. Both are expected to return to the 189 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,439 Speaker 1: club though at some point during this upcoming road trip. 190 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 1: Three games against the Padres, three games against the Dodgers. 191 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: But let's go back to why the Cardinals didn't trade 192 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: their players. We knew that Brendan Donman was extremely coveted. 193 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 1: We reported on that dating over the last couple of weeks. 194 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 1: Girl listen to new Bar as well. I think this 195 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: might be frustrating for fans to hear, but I try 196 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:02,559 Speaker 1: to look at this objectively. I think this was the 197 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: right call for the organization right now. Because if you're 198 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: hem Bloom, don't you want to make those decisions. This 199 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: is your roster. This will not be John Mozaelock's roster 200 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: come October. I think if you are going to be 201 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 1: the president Baseball Operations for this twenty twenty six roster, 202 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: it should be your final call on which players go 203 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: and which players stay and what the return is. I 204 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: am not at all suggesting that heim Bloom was not 205 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: involved in that process. I know for a fact that 206 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: that's incorrect. He was in the room with John Mozelock 207 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,959 Speaker 1: offering different input on the returns. Moe, as the current 208 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:41,439 Speaker 1: president of Baseball Operations, ultimately made the final say. But 209 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 1: to say that Hein Bloom had no say in this process, 210 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: that's incorrect. If the Cardinals are going to look to 211 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:53,319 Speaker 1: trade some of these players because history suggests that they 212 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: will not pay these players when they get to their 213 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: final years of arbitration, that should be a Hein and 214 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: Bloom decision. And Moe kind of hinted that Derek Goold 215 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 1: to the Saint Louis Post Dispatch asked a really good 216 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: question about the Cardinals maybe missing an opportunity to alleviate 217 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: some of their logjam on the roster with all these 218 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: position players, they had an opportunity to capitalize again on 219 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: the seller's market, chose not to. Most said it was 220 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: a good question. Here's his answer. Maybe we reflect on 221 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: this a little bit more in the sense of what 222 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: does this really mean for next year? When the question 223 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:26,319 Speaker 1: was asked if we were not willing to move players 224 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 1: under control, the answer is the timing wasn't now. He 225 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: also went on to say that with Gorman and Nubar 226 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: on the IL, it was just a little complicated. But 227 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: this sentence was telling to me, quote the question is 228 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: a good one and one that will ultimately be resolved, 229 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: probably over the next six months. To me, that's foreshadowing 230 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 1: that this off season will be when the Cardinals really 231 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:50,439 Speaker 1: start to entertain the value perceived value, I should say, 232 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:56,719 Speaker 1: of players like Burlison, Donovanar Gorman. So that is the 233 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: organization's answer. We can debate if that was the right 234 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: decision or the wrong decision. I know plenty of you 235 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: have said if the Cardinals were gonna sell, they might 236 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 1: as well have gone all the way. It kind of 237 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: feels like a half in half out effort to trade 238 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: only rental relievers. I can see that side. I can 239 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: also see the organization saying, let's just wait and see 240 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: what we can do in the off season. It's a 241 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: very weird time when you essentially have two general managers 242 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: in the same organization. But I think most fans would 243 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: agree that if this is going to be him Bloom's 244 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,599 Speaker 1: roster next year, he should be making the roster decisions. 245 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:37,199 Speaker 1: Questions about this year's roster The biggest one who's left 246 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: to pitch? Obviously, the Cardinals will need to fill three 247 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: spots on their active roster. Their top three relievers are 248 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: out of here. We asked mo what the Cardinals could do. 249 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 1: Who's coming up, Who's gonna take over the closer role? 250 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: The Cardinals are still figuring that out. Manager Allie Marmele 251 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: has options, but none of them really all that experienced, 252 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: And I am not envious of the position he and 253 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,199 Speaker 1: Dusty Blake are going to be in over the final 254 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: two months of the season. When you think about how 255 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 1: valuable Hellsley Mayton Matt's were for the seventh, eighth, ninth innings, 256 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: it gets a little dicey real quick. Let's look at 257 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:15,319 Speaker 1: the options currently on the active roster. I asked John Mozelac, 258 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: who is the front runner to close. He did not 259 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 1: necessarily specifically say that Jojo Romero would be the closer, 260 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 1: but he did identify Romero as someone who is going 261 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: to see high leverage opportunities increase. I'm a little surprised 262 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,319 Speaker 1: Romero wasn't moved, to be honest, but Cardinals got to 263 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: have someone for the ninth I guess Riley O'Brien, Gordon 264 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 1: Grissefo also identified by Mo as guys that will see 265 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: their roles increase. The Cardinals have used Kyle lah Hey 266 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 1: sporadically in high leverage. He can handle it. We'll see 267 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: that as well. Ryan Fernandez is in Triple A. We 268 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: know how his April went with the minor or with 269 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: the major league club. Not great. But credit to Fernandez, 270 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: he's had a major turnaround in Memphis. He has I 271 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 1: believe a three twelve ERA over forty appearances and a 272 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: strikeout rate of over twelve strikeouts for each nine innings. 273 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: So that's encouraging. Not official, but he's it's pretty much 274 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: a lock that we'll see him on Friday in San Diego. 275 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: Two more spots are open. We'll see how that goes. 276 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: I asked Mo if the Cardinals could do a closer 277 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: by committee, and he said basically, they're still trying to 278 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: figure that out. We will see opportunity for plenty of 279 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: these relievers. How that opportunity goes, what that means for 280 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: late innings, I don't know. The Cardinals when they sold 281 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three didn't really have a lot to 282 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: offer in their bullpen. They finished the season twenty games 283 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: under five hundred. I don't think it's going to get 284 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: that bad, at least I really hope not. But if anything, 285 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: the Cardinals are going to be able to answer some 286 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: questions about who they can count on for twenty twenty 287 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: six based on how several of these relievers step up. 288 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: We could see Chris Roycroft. Andre Gernillo is a sure 289 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: bet to come back to the organization once he's eligible 290 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: to be recalled. He was optioned on Monday, Cardinals without 291 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: John King for a while. He went on the injured 292 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: list on Tuesday with a left oblique strain that I'll 293 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: say this about the Cardinals. That was their first active 294 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: major league pitching injury all season, and that took place 295 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: on July thirtieth, and it wasn't even an arm injury. 296 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: That is a little bit of luck, but also a 297 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: huge testament to Dusty Blake, Ollie Marmle, the Cardinals' training staff, 298 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: and the Cardinal medical staff for keeping their arms healthy. 299 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: That's just an insane run. To go through April, May, 300 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: June July, four months without a pitching injury. That's pretty significant. 301 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: So yeah, who's going to pitch? We don't know. We'll 302 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: find out on Friday. 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Herrera, 331 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: as we talked about last episode, will see considerable considerable 332 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:10,919 Speaker 1: time in left field this year. Mozaellack identified Nolan Gorman. 333 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 1: I'm losing it, guys, I'm losing it. Mozaelack identified Nolan 334 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: Gorman as someone that they would really like to continue 335 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 1: to see an opportunity for what that means for Nolan 336 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: Aronado remains to be seen. I will say this, the 337 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: Cardinals aren't going to platute him. Okay, they're just not. 338 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: You don't platoon someone that you have that you used 339 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: to love forty million dollars too. But it is an 340 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: opportunity for the Cardinals to get creative and get Gorman 341 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 1: more opportunity when he comes back. Thomas the jac will 342 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: see some time still working on Jordan Walker. His advats 343 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 1: have been really encouraging since he came off the IL 344 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: a lot of hard contact. The swing path is much better. 345 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: So hey, Silver Linings, I guess uh, and we'll continue 346 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 1: to see that throughout the second half. So I know 347 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: it's disappointing, guys. This is maybe how we thought the 348 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: season would go, but it doesn't make it any easier 349 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 1: when your team is essentially out of it before August. 350 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 1: So I hear you. I sympathize with you. And one 351 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: thing I do want to say before we sign off one, 352 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: I'll actually we'll do two a little story about what 353 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: it's like to be a beat writer, and I'm not 354 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:13,679 Speaker 1: asking for sympathy here, I just want you guys to 355 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: laugh at me. So the Cardinals, as we know, had 356 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: a night game on Wednesday and trade deadline eve against 357 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 1: the Marlins, and an off day in San Diego. The 358 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: best thing that could happen as a baseball writer is 359 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: trade deadline falling on a team off day. So unfortunately 360 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 1: for Saint Louis writers, that off day was a travel day. 361 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:34,919 Speaker 1: I decided I did not want to risk flying on 362 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:38,120 Speaker 1: deadline day because I didn't want to miss any trades. 363 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 1: I wanted to be in the best possible position if 364 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:41,640 Speaker 1: any of these things went down. We all know it's 365 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: a big deal. I know I had a big responsibility 366 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 1: to get this information out to you guys. It's my job. 367 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: So I thought, well, I might as well just call 368 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:52,120 Speaker 1: an audible skip Wednesday's game, which I don't like doing, 369 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: but the trade deadline takes priority, and try to fly 370 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: Wednesday night and stay ahead of the game. And that I 371 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: was four minutes into my flight, I was like basically 372 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 1: flying over the Gateway arch when the Ryan Helsley trade 373 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: went down. So that really just was that was fun. 374 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: That was fun. That was a great experience. My plane 375 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: touched down as the Stephen Matts trade was coming to fruition. 376 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: So of the three trades the Cardinals made, two happened 377 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 1: when I was in the air. And that's why we 378 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: don't plan. That's baseball. Uh just I tried my best. Whatever. 379 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: I will say this about the three players traded, whether 380 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 1: it's Ryan Helsley, step Stephen Matts, Phil Mayton, all three 381 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: were really good Cardinals. We'll start with Mayton. I know 382 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:32,439 Speaker 1: he wasn't here very long, but the difference that he 383 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: made in this Cardinals clubhouse. When you ask anyone, whether 384 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:40,919 Speaker 1: it's a reliever like Helsley, whether it's a veteran like Matts, 385 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: or rookie like Kyle Layy, all had incredible things to 386 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 1: say about lay I mean about Mayton, just a true 387 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 1: leader inside that clubhouse. I remember having I had a 388 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: conversation with Kyle lay about Mayton helping him become more prepared. 389 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,159 Speaker 1: He said he learned a lot about how to scout hitters, 390 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: how to go into his work and do his everyday routine. 391 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 1: He was a really good Cardinal, total pro to work with. 392 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: I said this on last Week or Yester Yesterday's show, 393 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 1: I think the Cardinals should consider bringing him back next 394 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: year as a free agent. I know he did not 395 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: want to leave Saint Louis and enjoyed his time here. 396 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: Stephen Mattz. I don't know how fondly that contract will 397 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,120 Speaker 1: be remembered, but I will say in his final season, 398 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: he stayed healthy and he was a pivotal member in 399 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: that bullpen, and I know that meant a lot to him. 400 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: I know that he came into the twenty twenty five 401 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:29,959 Speaker 1: season disappointed. How has Cardinal's tenure went down? Felt like 402 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,679 Speaker 1: when a team brings you in for free agency, you 403 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: want to do your best to show that you were 404 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: worth it. And the first three seasons he spent injured 405 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: and not able to perform, and that war on him. 406 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 1: That really kind of rubbed him the wrong way. And 407 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: I know he really tried to stay healthy this year 408 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:47,640 Speaker 1: and do his best and perform well for the team, 409 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 1: and he did. He was a great Cardinal in the clubhouse. 410 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 1: He was voted by the clubhouse for the Saint Louis 411 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: Baseball Writer's Dinner a Daryl Kyla Ward. That's the highest 412 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:57,880 Speaker 1: honor of clubhouse can give its player. Did a lot 413 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: of good things for the community. Was always out there pregame, 414 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 1: batting practice, signing autographs for kids, having his charity come 415 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 1: out and bring people to the ballpark. And then Ryan Helsley. 416 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 1: Ryan Helsley was one of four players still remaining from 417 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,360 Speaker 1: my first season the twenty twenty one club, and from 418 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: day one he had been nothing but a pro, easy 419 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: to work with. Just it's hard when you have a 420 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 1: player like Helsley who grew up a Cardinals fan, drafted 421 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 1: by the team in twenty fifteen, the longest tenured Cardinal 422 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: grew up watching Wayne Wright, Molina Pooholes didn't want to leave. 423 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: It's hard when you know that he has to, and 424 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,880 Speaker 1: he handled the past nine months of trade speculation honestly 425 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: about as well as anyone could. He was a great Cardinal. 426 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 1: I know he'll remembered fondly, but I want to just 427 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: credit all three of those guys for being total pros 428 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: during their stints as Cardinals. They'll be missed, I think, 429 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 1: by the organization, and I wish them all the best 430 00:21:54,520 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 1: with their new adventures. Don't forget our whole territory shop 431 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: is open, doo. Check out your first look at our 432 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: new merch I'm excited to spend my paycheck at the store. 433 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: Maybe we'll do a giveaway. We should do a giveaway, 434 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:14,919 Speaker 1: huh Okay, I'll work on that, but not after tonight, 435 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: in which I'm going to go get a margarita because 436 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: that's the least I deserve tonight. Thanks is all for watching. 437 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: I know you guys have been waiting patiently for this episode. 438 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: I got to it as soon as I could. We'll 439 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 1: break down more things. I'll probably have one out for 440 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 1: you tomorrow about once we know the roster moves. Happy 441 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 1: deadline guys. It's unfortunately probably gonna be the most exciting 442 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: day of the second half here. Hey, but you know 443 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: what we're gonna get through the next two months together. 444 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,159 Speaker 1: Thanks as always for supporting Cardinal Territory, for carrying what 445 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: I have to say. You can read more of Cardinals 446 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: where to Go, There we go everything Cardinals trade douneline related. 447 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,880 Speaker 1: Here at the Athletic. Our staff is going absolutely crazy 448 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 1: with all thirty teams. So subscribe if you haven't already. 449 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: It's two dollars a month. And yeah, that's all I 450 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: got for you, guys. Have a great Thursday night. We'll 451 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: talk again Friday, where the Cardinals kick off a three 452 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: game set against the Padres. Hopefully no drama, but we'll see. 453 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: As we recall earlier last week, that wasn't exactly the case. 454 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 1: All right, this is another episode your trade Deadline recap 455 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: for twenty twenty five. I'm Katie Wu. We'll talk over 456 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 1: the weekend. Thanks, as always for watching