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Speaker 1: notice something new. My son Jimmy has been on the
Speaker 1: show before, but he's never he's always had that camera.
Speaker 1: You were on the show here and the camera was
Speaker 1: behind your head. Yeah, because we had a prohibition on
Speaker 1: you seeing your cute little face on screen. But then
Speaker 1: you hit fifteen years of age, the arbitrary number. You
Speaker 1: have a learner's permit. What else happened?
Speaker 2: You have something changed in the mind of his parents.
Speaker 1: Yep, Well he got to that age.
Speaker 3: Well that's not totally what happened.
Speaker 1: Oh did you tell me what happened?
Speaker 3: Well, Jimmy was he went on a hunt with you
Speaker 3: and you were going to share a picture of his hunt,
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden and I was cool
Speaker 3: with that. But then all of a sudden he had
Speaker 3: like a public Instagram account.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I decided that his age. Remember that remembers
Speaker 1: that joke, the punchline to the joke I said, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you the punchline when you get a learner's permit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just because that felt like once you have a learners permit.
Speaker 1: So he got his learn he's just got his learners permit.
Speaker 1: He's fifteen, and now he can now when he's on
Speaker 1: the show, he could people can see what the kid
Speaker 1: looks like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: The only thing that happens he got taller.
Speaker 3: It wasn't like a decision. We didn't like discuss like
Speaker 3: now is the time and this is okay, it's sort of.
Speaker 3: It caught me unawares a bit too when that happened.
Speaker 1: Just before being I can hide under a rock.
Speaker 3: No, he can't. But the other two kids, so you're
Speaker 3: do you think the other two kids when they turn
Speaker 3: fifteen will like, that's the age that's when they can
Speaker 3: have Instagram accounts.
Speaker 4: Not Rosie, not the girl. No, no, okay, that's not happening.
Speaker 1: The other boy, girl, the other boy. Sure, uh so
Speaker 1: Jimmy's here.
Speaker 5: This is this.
Speaker 1: He's been on the show. How many times you've been
Speaker 1: on the show, Buddy.
Speaker 4: Hey kids Trivia?
Speaker 6: Once and then I did one podcast in Wisconsin, and
Speaker 6: then I did one Alaska, and then this isn't so.
Speaker 1: Oh he's been on the show all the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, none other times regular four.
Speaker 1: Jimmy just caught it. Jimmy just caught a nice fish.
Speaker 1: This spring, jim me and I were out fishing and
Speaker 1: and I hit a spot and and remember I said,
Speaker 1: the water talk to me. The what's that Steve's big butthole?
Speaker 1: The water talked to me and we pulled in and
Speaker 1: I said, this is where the water talked to me.
Speaker 1: You dropped your jig down and what happened?
Speaker 6: Caught a sixty five pound holdn mm hmm.
Speaker 5: What did the water? What did the water say when.
Speaker 2: It talked to you?
Speaker 1: It said, come fish.
Speaker 7: Here, Steve, Fish fish, Steve, fish Steve.
Speaker 2: That doesn't sound like the voice of Steve's Big buttle Well,
Speaker 2: it's gotta travel through a lot of water.
Speaker 1: After it comes up, it's distorted. Another new set is here.
Speaker 1: It is that is annoying as it is to have
Speaker 1: seth as a neighbor. Oh, it's annoying. Uh, I'll just
Speaker 1: paid off, just paid off because people I had bought that.
Speaker 1: You'd think that would pass through two little pieces of
Speaker 1: illuminum in a bolt hole, but don't. It's too short.
Speaker 1: So I went to my neighbor and said, I need
Speaker 1: stainless steel. I produced that whole pile of them. To
Speaker 1: have good.
Speaker 7: Neighbors, I'd buy those bolts for going through the chain.
Speaker 7: I was unsure about length, so I got two different
Speaker 7: lengths because I knew you'd hmmm.
Speaker 1: Well you could just got one with more thread on it.
Speaker 8: Well, I got two different lengths.
Speaker 1: Well, it will always put them to use. Yeah, Yannis here,
Speaker 1: Jannis ran. Uh, we haven't talked to yany since this happened.
Speaker 1: Yannis ran recently ran one of those hundred mile races
Speaker 1: this morning. He got circumspect about it. Is that? Is
Speaker 1: that what it's called when you kind of get like
Speaker 1: you start thinking back.
Speaker 8: Yeah, when you're able to look at it from a distance.
Speaker 1: He was sitting right over in that chair and he
Speaker 1: got circumspect and he said, you know a thing about it?
Speaker 1: And I thought it was gonna be something like the
Speaker 1: mental gaming. He was like the chap ass, like you
Speaker 1: just can't picture the chap ass.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 8: I think that would stick with you, Like.
Speaker 1: He said, crippling chap ass. There's no way you're going
Speaker 1: to run one hundred miles without chat.
Speaker 5: Was there something you put on it?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, lots of it. I use a product called
Speaker 2: Squirrels nut butter.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I've heard of that.
Speaker 2: I think people use a product called body glide whatever.
Speaker 2: Any some vasoline would probably working. Then it seems like
Speaker 2: all the time. But if I had to guess every one.
Speaker 8: To two hours, are you are you carrying it with you?
Speaker 2: Or you get yeah, I have like a I had
Speaker 2: like a little baby one, and I had started with
Speaker 2: it full and I used it up to the point
Speaker 2: where at a later ad station I had to refill
Speaker 2: from the tub.
Speaker 1: So I got where was the bigger tub?
Speaker 2: Traveling with my crew?
Speaker 1: First off, you probably to tell people a little bit
Speaker 1: what we're saying. You ran one hundred miles.
Speaker 2: Yeah, at a race called the Crazy Mountain one hundred,
Speaker 2: which happened in the Crazy Mountains of Montana, which is
Speaker 2: I don't know, northeast of Bows when maybe ninety minutes
Speaker 2: or so, depending on what trailhead. You go, Tom, Yeah,
Speaker 2: hunter miler had twenty three thousand feet of elevation gain
Speaker 2: through the into the entire course Mount Everest.
Speaker 5: Yeah. What's ever twenty nine?
Speaker 2: Yeah, somewhere in there, and.
Speaker 1: It was twenty nine. There's twenty eight something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, close to twenty long ways, anyways, that's up there,
Speaker 2: and yeah, my first one at that distance. Uh, I've
Speaker 2: done a couple of fifties working up to that distance,
Speaker 2: and uh yeah. I started on July twenty fifth, finished
Speaker 2: on July twenty six, thirty three hours after I started.
Speaker 1: Thirty three hours of running, running, and hiking and chat
Speaker 1: ass kick in.
Speaker 2: Uh, not that far into it mile thirty So I
Speaker 2: don't know, late in the afternoon, midday of the first day.
Speaker 1: You know, chap asses, young Jimmy.
Speaker 6: I can take a wild guess, picture your button.
Speaker 4: Okay, going like that?
Speaker 3: Does that happen all the time while hunting?
Speaker 1: No, what chapass comes from? Some guys sweaty, Some people
Speaker 1: just suffer. Some people have debilitating chap ass.
Speaker 3: Okay, do you know I have.
Speaker 1: Had chap ass? I wouldn't say I have debilitating chap ass.
Speaker 1: And I only get chap ass in hot climates.
Speaker 5: Be honest.
Speaker 7: Is it a common enough thing that you would like
Speaker 7: see someone on the side of the trail applying.
Speaker 2: Oh you don't stop to apply.
Speaker 8: What do you mean?
Speaker 2: What you just you know?
Speaker 8: You your hand down there and.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you get out your chap ass man go
Speaker 1: down through or reach.
Speaker 2: You go both depending on what you know. So yeah,
Speaker 2: you might doclosure. Yeah, like one of my testes like
Speaker 2: hangs a little bit lower, like I think, like it
Speaker 2: does with a lot of men, you know, and that
Speaker 2: one tends to just get a little bit more. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I would hit that from the front, but mine it's
Speaker 2: definitely start. I got a couple of theories because this
Speaker 2: is something I had not suffered from at all for
Speaker 2: most of my life, even though I had been a
Speaker 2: runner and it had done some longer distance.
Speaker 3: And it never happened to you, never, not even.
Speaker 2: Kind of no.
Speaker 1: Okay, and hold I got hung up on So one
Speaker 1: of them hangs down a little bit, Yeah, and that
Speaker 1: causes chafing.
Speaker 2: Well I think it's chafing on the fabric.
Speaker 1: But one is in his body's not. Yeah, yeah, Jimmy,
Speaker 1: when a man gets all right, So that's how it
Speaker 1: makes sure I'm clear Okay, here's your nuts. One is
Speaker 1: like this rubbing your undies and his body.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is not. It's sitting high enough something something's different, you.
Speaker 3: Know, wouldn't like like sport underwear change that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And honestly sometimes I try to like jack everything
Speaker 2: up a little bit more to have more support. You know,
Speaker 2: things are just you have.
Speaker 1: To go Taylor, like I need to have a special
Speaker 1: sense one side of my underwear.
Speaker 3: Uh talk, So when did you first figure out that
Speaker 3: that was happening?
Speaker 2: You know it's some other race and uh, I think
Speaker 2: it was a fit am that I did earlier this summer,
Speaker 2: and luckily I had this little tub with me at
Speaker 2: that time, because had I not had it, I don't
Speaker 2: know if I would have made it to the next
Speaker 2: AID station. Definitely not running. I would have like limped in.
Speaker 1: And at the age station they have it because it's.
Speaker 2: So oh yeah for sure, for sure.
Speaker 7: What takes people like people that are in good enough
Speaker 7: shape to complete it?
Speaker 8: What takes them out? Blisters, chap ass.
Speaker 2: Definitely those two things could.
Speaker 1: Can take you out. You know who you know who
Speaker 1: gets terrible?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 3: You know what is you're going to talk about? Who
Speaker 3: gets terrible? Chap ass.
Speaker 1: No, no a thing that where guys going through the
Speaker 1: buds program. Oh yeah, the sand, the sand in your
Speaker 1: shorts or the sand in your pants will people will
Speaker 1: tap out because of it, because of just because picture
Speaker 1: all those hours and days wet sand packed up in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're like they go running for hours on
Speaker 2: end without changing those clothes.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's thinking of that. It always seems miserable.
Speaker 1: I never pictured what.
Speaker 3: You're I have a lot of friends that just like
Speaker 3: summertime and their thighs.
Speaker 2: Women, Yeah, women deal with this.
Speaker 3: It's not chap ass.
Speaker 2: It's like chap thigh, chap thigh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's lots of different products for it.
Speaker 1: And from when your thighs are rubbing on the inside.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like just walking inches apart.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't got I don't know.
Speaker 3: Inches apart because well, you don't have like twig legs,
Speaker 3: but you don't have a lot of.
Speaker 1: Well I just can't picture my thighs.
Speaker 5: You don't have like linebacker thighs.
Speaker 2: You just like, no, you don't have that high ass
Speaker 2: like Peda Linz.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, so I gotta I just I'm
Speaker 1: so hung up on the chaca. This is just a
Speaker 1: miserable feeling. So blisters take you out, chap ass takes
Speaker 1: you out.
Speaker 2: And I would say probably the next most common thing,
Speaker 2: just because I've heard about it a lot and it
Speaker 2: definitely almost took me out, is uh nausey. And I
Speaker 2: would say that that is connected to what people call
Speaker 2: it GI distress, and I think GI distress comes in
Speaker 2: many different forms. You could be have diarrhea, you could
Speaker 2: be puking, you could just feel nauseated. But people start
Speaker 2: to not eat because of these symptoms, and then you
Speaker 2: basically don't have the energy to continue and you just
Speaker 2: go slowly downhill until you tap.
Speaker 1: So people are getting the shits from the running.
Speaker 2: Yeah, from exertion, and from you know, if you haven't
Speaker 2: trained on what you're eating. And again, because I don't
Speaker 2: know the other two hundred people that started it with me,
Speaker 2: right like, I don't know what they did going into
Speaker 2: it to train themselves. But I spent time literally eating
Speaker 2: dinner at home, dressed up in my running clothes, have
Speaker 2: dinner with my family, and as soon as I was
Speaker 2: done eating and be like, okay, great, I'm out here,
Speaker 2: I would run out the door and go out for
Speaker 2: two or three hours just to train like running on
Speaker 2: a full belly, hm, and like you know, like I
Speaker 2: I knew that I was. My goal was to try
Speaker 2: to eat somewhere around eighty to one hundred grams of
Speaker 2: carbohydrates every hour, which most of it I took through
Speaker 2: gels or liquid carbs, like a mixed drink kind of thing,
Speaker 2: And so I would also train on that. But the
Speaker 2: problem was with this distance is that it's very hard
Speaker 2: to train on what you've at. It's hard to train
Speaker 2: how you feel at mile sixty seventy eighty ninety because
Speaker 2: you just don't have the time and just getting to
Speaker 2: that point takes a lot out of a human body, right,
Speaker 2: and so you just don't know what it's going to
Speaker 2: be like until you're there.
Speaker 1: Was there a mile that you thought, I don't think
Speaker 1: I'm going to finish, And then was there a mile
Speaker 1: at which you thought, I will do I'll do this,
Speaker 1: I'll get this.
Speaker 2: Yes, I the miles like seventy five to ninety or
Speaker 2: by far the hardest. It was a bummer too, because
Speaker 2: those cames like kind of like the second morning, And
Speaker 2: a lot of people say that that second morning, like
Speaker 2: your brain kind of has like the oh it's a
Speaker 2: new day, even though we didn't sleep last night. It's
Speaker 2: still a new day and we're gonna reset and we're
Speaker 2: gonna get going. And I did not experience that, even
Speaker 2: though I was like in my head, I'm like, ah,
Speaker 2: at any.
Speaker 1: Minute, like some kind of circadian rhythm like y yeah,
Speaker 1: cause you know, like I don't do it anymore. But
Speaker 1: Neil days when used to drive, you know, you like
Speaker 1: go drive like a twenty two hour drive or whatever
Speaker 1: and just do it. Yeah, you would feel like when
Speaker 1: comes yeah, coming all a sudden, you're like you feel
Speaker 1: like something clicks in your head and you're sort of
Speaker 1: back in it.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, you can make it another eight hour.
Speaker 1: So you were just you.
Speaker 2: Never got no no, I mean I might have, but
Speaker 2: it was it was short. But uh yeah, I think
Speaker 2: had I not had my buddy Stephen Brucker with me,
Speaker 2: who was pacing me during those miles, uh, pushing me along,
Speaker 2: continue to be very positive, a lot of just like hey,
Speaker 2: we're doing good, like we're moving, you're it's great, Like
Speaker 2: you're looking good, just like constant just all of that,
Speaker 2: and just like hey, have you drank? Have you eaten lately?
Speaker 2: You should drink some more you should eat some more,
Speaker 2: and just like making me eat, you know, and just
Speaker 2: and just keeping me moving along. Like I never stopped.
Speaker 5: I would.
Speaker 2: I did stop to actually take a nap purposely, but
Speaker 2: I never stopped out of pure just like exhaustion, being
Speaker 2: like I can't move any far and I can't go
Speaker 2: any farther.
Speaker 3: How long was your nap?
Speaker 1: Eight minutes?
Speaker 2: Immediately, oh hard. I remember like laying down and being like,
Speaker 2: he's not gonna let you sleep longer than eight, so
Speaker 2: you better fall asleep quickly. And I was almost starting
Speaker 2: to stress about not being able to fall asleep, and
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden he's like, hey, get up,
Speaker 2: you know, And so I appreciated that my buddy Stephen.
Speaker 1: That was with me. So he just washed you sleep,
Speaker 1: oh yeah.
Speaker 2: With a big smile on his face. But what was
Speaker 2: funny is at the edit, like a trail at.
Speaker 1: A buddies and they're gonna do blank mile to blank.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So mostly in the United States you can't pick up
Speaker 2: a pacer until roughly halfway, so you got to do
Speaker 2: fifty miles on your own and then you can start
Speaker 2: picking up pacers. In Europe there's like no pacers. It's
Speaker 2: like not.
Speaker 5: A part of it.
Speaker 2: They're like the only thing they do harder in.
Speaker 1: Europe than America, jummy, because they basically like have given up.
Speaker 1: We still got just Western Europe as a continent is
Speaker 1: kind of in its retirement. Okay, I know they're kind
Speaker 1: of kicking it. You don't think so, no, forty, I
Speaker 1: mean they're kind of wrapped it up. They kind of
Speaker 1: wrapped it up. My friends just got back from Spain.
Speaker 1: You told me all about it. They mostly people kick it.
Speaker 1: He goes as far as my experience in Spain was
Speaker 1: like people chill, they chill, they eat stuff. Not a
Speaker 1: lot goes on that is Harrison told me.
Speaker 3: That is a I mean, no offense to Harrison, but
Speaker 3: the observations of a eighteen year old.
Speaker 1: Yeah, got did gospel.
Speaker 3: And you're going to talk about Western Europe as a whole.
Speaker 3: What was the furthest you ran prior to this?
Speaker 2: Fifty five miles so this.
Speaker 3: Was like you were going to be like double pretty much.
Speaker 3: That's crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The interesting thing was is that the body felt fine.
Speaker 2: It really did. I felt durable, I felt good. But
Speaker 2: at some point at those miles, I was just talking
Speaker 2: about like the fuel tank. It just seemed to go empty,
Speaker 2: and even though I was like trying to eat, trying
Speaker 2: to drink and felt like I was getting stuff in,
Speaker 2: I just couldn't refill it. And the nausea was just
Speaker 2: like kind of constant.
Speaker 5: Did you grow up?
Speaker 2: Never threw up? Throw up?
Speaker 5: Through up.
Speaker 2: There was a one time where I stepped off to
Speaker 2: the side of the trail thinking like, oh, it might
Speaker 2: be coming, and then I was fine and it didn't come.
Speaker 1: Did it stay fun or did you get lost in
Speaker 1: this idea that it would never end? No?
Speaker 2: Oh, I got you start to get worried of like,
Speaker 2: oh am I going to finish because this race has
Speaker 2: a pretty strict cutoff of thirty six hours, which is
Speaker 2: pretty short for one hundred miles, like a lot of
Speaker 2: races have more like a thirty eight or even a
Speaker 2: forty hour cut off. And at one point Steven says
Speaker 2: to me, He's like, hey, we're like not in a
Speaker 2: hurry yet, but like we don't want to make it interesting,
Speaker 2: meaning like let's not f around because let's like let's
Speaker 2: get this.
Speaker 7: It'd be such a just a bummer if you were
Speaker 7: at ninety miles and they're like.
Speaker 2: Oh, just waste your whole day, like a wasted two days. Yeah, well,
Speaker 2: you can't look at it that way. It's not it's
Speaker 2: not a waste. I mean, you've still accomplished something by
Speaker 2: moving that far. You just don't get the belt buckle.
Speaker 2: But some guy a couple of years ago literally finished
Speaker 2: like thirty six hours and like fifteen seconds and they
Speaker 2: didn't give him the finisher's buckle.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: I know it's a thing. It's been discussed, but I'm
Speaker 1: saying no. When I out all the stands. If I
Speaker 1: was that guy would and people go like, hey, I
Speaker 1: heard you ran that hundred mile race, make sure I did.
Speaker 1: Did you finish, I'd be like, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's.
Speaker 7: Kind of like shooting one hundred ninety nine inch mule deer.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I just can't believe that you. I can't believe that
Speaker 3: you did that. I can't believe that people do that.
Speaker 3: That is a crazy distance to run.
Speaker 2: It is it is now you we trailed. Every time
Speaker 2: I say is, I have a hard time spitting those
Speaker 2: two words out of my mouth. But we cleared trail
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks earlier with a fella that had
Speaker 2: done it twice already and did it a third time,
Speaker 2: the same when I did it two three weeks ago.
Speaker 2: And he's a middle to back of the pack finisher,
Speaker 2: but he's finished it every year but comes in like
Speaker 2: he was showing me pictures of like his ankles and
Speaker 2: his feet the first two years. I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: I don't have to experience that. I mean just like
Speaker 2: swollen in like sausage toe. Really yeah, like pretty beat up.
Speaker 3: How do you know you're not like totally damaging your body.
Speaker 2: Ah, you don't. I don't. I think the most people,
Speaker 2: their brain won't let them get to that point. There's
Speaker 2: few people, like we're talking about this with learning how
Speaker 2: to hold your breath right when we with with and
Speaker 2: Jake was telling us about how the only people that
Speaker 2: will actually take themselves to passing out in the pool
Speaker 2: are the navy seals, those kind of people that have
Speaker 2: that mindset that they're like, oh, you're gonna tell me
Speaker 2: I can't pass out, watch me, and they'll go down
Speaker 2: there and hold their breath until literally they pass out, right.
Speaker 2: And I think that there's a small subset of people
Speaker 2: that will be like, oh, I'm just gonna keep running
Speaker 2: until someone else tells me to stop. But most people's
Speaker 2: brain is you're going to tap out.
Speaker 3: But I think that's that's the most confusing thing for
Speaker 3: me about a race like that is if all running
Speaker 3: running for me is like misery, so it's all mental
Speaker 3: effort and say like I can do this mind over
Speaker 3: matter whatever, Like where's the line between mind over matter?
Speaker 3: And like you need to listen to your body because
Speaker 3: it's telling you like you're on the edge.
Speaker 2: It's tricky because you know, as tough as it was
Speaker 2: for me, the recovery was extremely easy, and so I
Speaker 2: feel like, oh, I maybe could have hit it a
Speaker 2: little harder because some people do talk about recovering for
Speaker 2: months and not thinking about doing something like that again
Speaker 2: for six months, where right now I feel like I could.
Speaker 2: I'd want to talk to maybe some professionals, but I
Speaker 2: feel like I could go tomorrow and knock out another one.
Speaker 3: Do you think you could ever do them?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: Everybody could?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm sure, yes, I think that if I dedicated
Speaker 1: myself to it and did all the training, I think
Speaker 1: that based on that I can walk long distances good,
Speaker 1: I'm sure that I could get there, like and I
Speaker 1: would have the you know, like when I set my
Speaker 1: mind to something I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you'd have the mental fordage.
Speaker 1: But I would never commit myself like I would never
Speaker 1: deprioritize the stuff I'm already trying to do in order
Speaker 1: to make room to properly dedicate myself to doing something
Speaker 1: like that. And I would never do it half assed,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It'd be like it'd be like,
Speaker 1: if I was gonna do it, i'd have to just
Speaker 1: do it. And if I was gonna but I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna quit doing all the stuff I think about in
Speaker 1: order to accommodate that, because for a while, that's all
Speaker 1: he that's all he had room to think about.
Speaker 3: Is that true?
Speaker 1: Like free time?
Speaker 2: I mean, you definitely spend a lot of time running
Speaker 2: in preparation.
Speaker 1: But eat dinner and then go run for two three hours?
Speaker 1: Was that dinner and I go fidle around my garage
Speaker 1: for men?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: But was that like a good thing? Were you like
Speaker 3: stoked to be doing that?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I enjoyed the process.
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Sure? Did you keep track of your training miles? Like
Speaker 5: how many miles?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: I have an app that the coach and I, you know,
Speaker 2: work through together, and it you know, mostly I run
Speaker 2: with the watch on and so yeah, but I can't
Speaker 2: tell you off the top of my head how many
Speaker 2: miles I ran in preparation.
Speaker 1: Gotcha tell me about the minute you knew you were
Speaker 1: going to make it.
Speaker 2: Well, so I went through miles seventy five to ninety
Speaker 2: and I haven't unfortunately, prior to this recording, I haven't
Speaker 2: had a chance to have a good sit down with
Speaker 2: Steven to be like, okay, tell me what you saw
Speaker 2: from the outside, like he in short, he's been like,
Speaker 2: I think you did really good. I think you pushed it.
Speaker 2: You didn't you weren't like being a little baby out
Speaker 2: there and whatever. But it was tough, and like I said,
Speaker 2: I went through a place of just being like, man like,
Speaker 2: I'm like losing time and people start passing you, and
Speaker 2: you're just like, why can't I run? Why can't I run?
Speaker 2: But we finally roll into roughly mile ninety ninety two.
Speaker 2: I think where Mark Kanyon was going to start me.
Speaker 2: And what does he get the closer?
Speaker 5: Huh?
Speaker 1: He got the closer? Well, there was two short.
Speaker 2: You could have. They basically there's kind of a bunch
Speaker 2: of rules, like you can't have more than one pac
Speaker 2: or prior to that, but that last section, what do they.
Speaker 1: Feel, what do they feel? What's the difference? Is just
Speaker 1: trying to police the area, and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a little bit of that, Like it's all
Speaker 2: under four service permits, right, so they have to watch
Speaker 2: how many people are kind of using the for service
Speaker 2: during the race and all that. But yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: know exactly why, but yeah, it's probably a lot of
Speaker 2: it is just to keep the numbers of people down.
Speaker 2: But anyways, we roll in there and it's whatever. I've
Speaker 2: got eight miles to go and it's probably one one
Speaker 2: in the afternoon. Just send you roll in where into
Speaker 2: the into the last aid station. It's called hunting camp
Speaker 2: and then it is a legit hunting camp and an
Speaker 2: outfit uses but it's set up as an aid station
Speaker 2: so you basically come out of the mountains finally. And
Speaker 2: the last eight miles is on a dirt road that's
Speaker 2: ever so slightly going downhill. You hit pavement and there's
Speaker 2: this little micro climb that I'm sure for some people
Speaker 2: seem like a lot, but it's like one hundred yards
Speaker 2: and it just barely climbs, and then you pull off
Speaker 2: the pavement onto another ranch and you've got I don't
Speaker 2: know three hundred yards to the finish line.
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, we had a little mishap. The generator ran
Speaker 1: out of gas. So if there's a rough edit, that's
Speaker 1: what happened. Trying to remember where we were, Uh.
Speaker 5: He was.
Speaker 1: Station. Yeah, yeah, don't be asking me no questions.
Speaker 8: Well, what you got to explain that?
Speaker 7: Like why he got to finish white tail hunting questions
Speaker 7: or like how you feeling?
Speaker 2: Questions any because I don't want to talk because you're
Speaker 2: out of like at that point, the human runner is
Speaker 2: out of energy to waste any energy, so you wanted
Speaker 2: him to talk at you. But yeah, entertained my brain
Speaker 2: and uh. He was actually really surprised how much I retained.
Speaker 2: Later he was like quizzing me about what I what
Speaker 2: we had talked about.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, yeah, what was he telling you about?
Speaker 2: Well, you know, Mark, he says you're a bookworm. So
Speaker 2: he gave me like three book reports, and then he
Speaker 2: told me about the book that he's you know, pretty
Speaker 2: much finished writing is at the editor now, the first
Speaker 2: first version. But I can't remember what else. We definitely
Speaker 2: talked about some deer, so he was just fill in
Speaker 2: space with good use for me.
Speaker 9: At that point in time. Are you able to like
Speaker 9: if he said something funny, are you able to laugh?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure. Well it was funny.
Speaker 1: Is that worked to put a piece of surrand wrapped
Speaker 1: between your butt cheeks?
Speaker 8: I think?
Speaker 2: But a slick thing because this is something that people
Speaker 2: don't think about, is that if you're not ready when
Speaker 2: you're applying it, you know, it's just your fingers and
Speaker 2: then you're not out there exactly with a hand washing station.
Speaker 7: Well that's what I wanted to get back to, like
Speaker 7: the whole like uh sanitization.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, So I would come into the eighth
Speaker 2: station and high five everybody and the I'm like, now
Speaker 2: that we've done that, you guys all want to sanitize
Speaker 2: your hands.
Speaker 1: Because I've had my finger and my buttets.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know one of the funniest things that just
Speaker 1: get back to the race. But we're you know that
Speaker 1: that dental floss called Glide. I remember we were talking
Speaker 1: about that and my brother Danny was giving it a
Speaker 1: bad review.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it doesn't glide.
Speaker 1: He said it was He said it's like wiping your
Speaker 1: ass with saran wrap, which I always thought was a
Speaker 1: great visual. That Glide stuff like it doesn't get the
Speaker 1: gunk out.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: I think it depends on how close your teeth are together.
Speaker 2: That's true, because.
Speaker 1: People it's a little too thick. So Mark's talking all
Speaker 1: about these books.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's telling me about books. What's funny is that
Speaker 2: right there leaving you got to climb up this little hill.
Speaker 5: I forgot.
Speaker 2: It's a little bit of a bigger hill, and I
Speaker 2: was just gonna walk up it. But Jennifer's like, they're
Speaker 2: there at the AID station. But they're like, but we
Speaker 2: made another a station at the trucks at the top
Speaker 2: of the hill. And I when I when she says
Speaker 2: that to me, I'm like, why did you make an
Speaker 2: AID station, Like on top of another hill? You're gonna
Speaker 2: ask me to at this point walk up like a
Speaker 2: bonus hill, because to me, it sounded like, oh, we're
Speaker 2: gonna take you off of the trail up some hill
Speaker 2: to where the cars are, where we have this nice
Speaker 2: AID station and then you can come back. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm not going up some hill. And she's like, look
Speaker 2: at me, like, what are you talking about? Like right
Speaker 2: there where everybody else has to go, We're like right
Speaker 2: off the side of the road. And then I understood. Anyways,
Speaker 2: we get up there and two things happened. One, you're
Speaker 2: out of the mountains, so you're off of the crazy mountains.
Speaker 2: The trails are extremely rough, like there's a lot of
Speaker 2: trails that they there are signs that stay like do
Speaker 2: not take equestrian animals on these trails because they're just
Speaker 2: so loose and on many just little rocks. And when
Speaker 2: you're twenty miles in or even you know, thirty forty,
Speaker 2: you're just like, dude, just kind of hopping and skipping
Speaker 2: through them and it's no big deal. But when it
Speaker 2: gets themhile eighty and your brain is like looking at
Speaker 2: just this like trail full of rocks, and it's just
Speaker 2: like your brain's like, we don't want to contend with
Speaker 2: that anymore.
Speaker 8: One like one bad step ends the race.
Speaker 2: Right, well that could be too, but you're just having
Speaker 2: to work for every step, you know. And uh, Like
Speaker 2: it got to the point where you could see like
Speaker 2: people were actually running in the grass, cause just like
Speaker 2: running even through those like Bunchie grass, which no man,
Speaker 2: everyone wants to hike and bunch grass when you could
Speaker 2: be on a trail, but people were like purposely you
Speaker 2: could see where they'd been running in the grass. So
Speaker 2: you're over the rocks. And this is something I had
Speaker 2: heard is that people say, yeah, once you get down
Speaker 2: to that road, your body, your legs, your brain is like, oh,
Speaker 2: you can run because you don't have to think about it.
Speaker 2: You can just go. And so there's that. And then
Speaker 2: Stephen also gave me a couple of tile and all,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, telling all, I'm like, I'm not really hurting.
Speaker 2: He's like, it'll be good, trust me. And I almost
Speaker 2: didn't take it because I'm thinking, like, oh, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: take these two tilenol and then the nausea and then
Speaker 2: these two things in my stomach that I'm not really
Speaker 2: prepared for and it's not gonna be good. And he's like, no,
Speaker 2: I think you should take it. So we start walking
Speaker 2: and I give him up mark my speech. I'm like,
Speaker 2: we're gonna just like we'll run a little bit, like
Speaker 2: we might run to that next tree and then we'll
Speaker 2: walk and then we'll run and we'll just kind of
Speaker 2: feel it out and see how it goes well. We
Speaker 2: start running and I'm like, uh, this feels pretty good.
Speaker 2: And then my buddy Cooper comes by and he's jamming
Speaker 2: some wu tang in the truck like super loud, and
Speaker 2: I kind of get that and a little head bob
Speaker 2: going and I'm like, oh okay, and we start clipping
Speaker 2: and we've been passed by two groups, but they're like
Speaker 2: maybe three four hundred yards out ahead of me. And
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, I'm like, Mark, we're gonna take
Speaker 2: them down. And when we go buy him, we're not
Speaker 2: stopping and we're just gonna keep going. And the next
Speaker 2: thing I know, we knocked out those eight miles in
Speaker 2: like I don't know, it felt like ninety minutes or less,
Speaker 2: like we zoomed and like I felt great, Like by
Speaker 2: the time everybody caught up to me that was racing
Speaker 2: up basically passing us to get to the finish line
Speaker 2: to be there, like they're like looking at us like whoa, yeah,
Speaker 2: let's go, because we were like actually running. We almost
Speaker 2: caught another group. We bumped them. It's the funny thing
Speaker 2: that Steven says, just like how you bump animals sometimes
Speaker 2: and then they.
Speaker 1: Start to see you coming.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well we bumped these this pack of three
Speaker 2: pack of girls, and I was closing in good, like
Speaker 2: I made it to like one hundred and fifty yards
Speaker 2: probably and then all because they were doing the same
Speaker 2: thing that I had. They were like, we're gonna run
Speaker 2: and then walk, run and then walk, and we're to
Speaker 2: take that all the way to the finish. But once
Speaker 2: I bumped them, they went running all all the way.
Speaker 3: And so that was like a combo of the Wu tang,
Speaker 3: the til.
Speaker 2: And all and the road.
Speaker 7: Did you feel the talent all hit your system or
Speaker 7: you just felt you just.
Speaker 2: Felt you know, I sure wish I would have taken
Speaker 2: the tile and all like a mile eighty I guarantee
Speaker 2: you I will have some with me. Yeah, next time
Speaker 2: I would get to eighty mile.
Speaker 3: That is the anti inflammatory one, right, A state of
Speaker 3: menifin is anti inflammatory. Yeah, so I'm sure it just
Speaker 3: like maybe calmed your body down with it. Huh.
Speaker 2: Could be a lot of different a lot of different things. Again,
Speaker 2: when your body's at that point, you don't know how
Speaker 2: that stuff's affecting, right, So.
Speaker 1: This is this is something you're gonna start doing.
Speaker 2: Uh, maybe you know that if there was no kids
Speaker 2: at home, it was just Jennifer and I, Yeah, I'd
Speaker 2: probably do a whole bunch.
Speaker 1: But it takes a bunch.
Speaker 2: It takes time, yeah, because the thing that even like
Speaker 2: within the maybe the first day after, probably on Sunday,
Speaker 2: I didn't do too much time rethinking about the race
Speaker 2: because you're just kind of in this euphoric state where
Speaker 2: you're like, yeah, I'm a little beat up, and I'm
Speaker 2: definitely fatigued and tired. And I had what I described
Speaker 2: as a very lounge lizard day where I would sort
Speaker 2: of like go from bed into the kitchen like eat
Speaker 2: as much as I could possibly could until I kind
Speaker 2: of lost energy, and then I would sort of like
Speaker 2: slump down and I would either make it to just
Speaker 2: the carpet or maybe I would make it to the
Speaker 2: couch or back to the bed. And I just did
Speaker 2: that rotation all day long. You know, obviously there's like
Speaker 2: a bathroom break in there too, but like you're not
Speaker 2: going anywhere. I forced myself to walk to the barn
Speaker 2: and back one time, just like move my legs. But
Speaker 2: by the next day you're like, oh, how could I
Speaker 2: have done it better? Where did I mess up? What
Speaker 2: were my mistakes?
Speaker 5: Was it?
Speaker 2: Could I have taken talent a mile seventy? Could I
Speaker 2: have done more coke? Could I have just pushed a
Speaker 2: little bit harder. Was I being a little baby? There?
Speaker 2: I have done it?
Speaker 3: Did you just say? Could I have done more coke?
Speaker 2: I drank more coke?
Speaker 1: You'll set a lot like coming off a five six
Speaker 1: hour hall of It jig. Yeah, you know the outstairs
Speaker 1: Like I've been there, you're out there. I mean you
Speaker 1: just trying to get through. Yeah, six hours jig.
Speaker 5: It's tough.
Speaker 2: Sometimes, Well it's amazing.
Speaker 1: How at night you're like, how could we have done better?
Speaker 2: Yeah? How Like I'm like, if Stephen wasn't here, I
Speaker 2: would just d n F right now, you know, Like
Speaker 2: I had thoughts like that come through. I did not
Speaker 2: finish when you just pull yourself out, but like I
Speaker 2: don't dig you to quit. Well, that again, that's because
Speaker 2: that's something that I wanted too much into it. That's
Speaker 2: something that I would like to explore. I don't know
Speaker 2: if it'll be the next one I do, but I
Speaker 2: will know I would definitely I will definitely do one solo. Oh,
Speaker 2: because I think it's a whole different mindset.
Speaker 3: What was the like, what was the inspiration to do
Speaker 3: in the first place? Like when did you first say,
Speaker 3: because it's been like a long held like desire and goal,
Speaker 3: I'm going to run one hundred miles one day.
Speaker 2: No, Honestly, when I moved to Bozeman, I had done
Speaker 2: a couple of Veil trail half marathons at that point,
Speaker 2: maybe three. It was like we had like race series
Speaker 2: and where Brody and I lived in Veil and I
Speaker 2: would do a couple of trail runs and all all
Speaker 2: that stuf. I've started really just to be in shape
Speaker 2: for September so I could feel like I could go
Speaker 2: uphill and you know, get to the ridge before the
Speaker 2: elk did. And then when I got to Bowls, when
Speaker 2: I heard about this Bridger Ridge run, it's like nineteen
Speaker 2: twenty miles, I'm like, oh, that looks like a sweet
Speaker 2: place to do a run. So I did that. And
Speaker 2: then Rick Smith used to always talk about the rut
Speaker 2: and he and I would like look at it online
Speaker 2: and be like that's insane. And then someone's like, oh, no,
Speaker 2: you could do it. I'm like, oh, maybe I could.
Speaker 2: So I got a coach and they're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: well we can get you ready for that thirty one
Speaker 2: miles in the mountains, no problem. So I did that,
Speaker 2: and it's just like sort of every distance I've done,
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I wonder if I could go a
Speaker 2: little bit farther. Going from twenty to thirty no big deal.
Speaker 2: Thirty to fifty was really I wouldn't say that big
Speaker 2: of a deal, very doable, but fifty to one hundred was.
Speaker 5: It was a leap.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 9: So now when you look at the rut, are you like, ah,
Speaker 9: that's that's copcakes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, because you're gonna no matter what the distance,
Speaker 2: what the distance is or the amount of elevation gain
Speaker 2: the race has your brain, your body is going to
Speaker 2: go at a certain effort level to do that race.
Speaker 2: Like I did a I think it was a twenty
Speaker 2: five k in Helena in the spring, and it took me,
Speaker 2: I don't know, three hours something, and like I ran
Speaker 2: way faster, and but I still exerted a bunch of energy.
Speaker 2: And by the time you get done with it, you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, and you're you're done right. You need a
Speaker 2: day off, And so I think you just you know,
Speaker 2: you sort of just pace yourself to whatever distance it is. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: can I finish it easily? Sure? Yeah, I could go
Speaker 2: do the Reugh fifty k without any kind of problems.
Speaker 2: But again, do I want to like beat my last
Speaker 2: time that I did it? Probably?
Speaker 3: You know, Rosie and I are doing the eleven k
Speaker 3: right right, and that is more ks than I have
Speaker 3: ever run in my life. I'm really nervous. Hole.
Speaker 2: Ye you're that's like probably six and a half seven
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I've never run that much in one fell swoop.
Speaker 4: Ever.
Speaker 2: It's going to be great, is it?
Speaker 1: I think so?
Speaker 3: I mean, certainly having people in my life that can
Speaker 3: run one hundred miles and I can talk about it
Speaker 3: and how cool it is. It's very inspiring for something
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 7: But oh yeah, it kind of like it's inspiring, but
Speaker 7: it all so like when I'm out running, it kind
Speaker 7: of makes me angry that is out there running one
Speaker 7: hundred miles.
Speaker 1: The opposite. Yeah, he does the opposite of pump you up.
Speaker 8: Nice, Like I'm out running five miles and I'm like five.
Speaker 3: Miles is not a short run, and you're doing that
Speaker 3: multiple times a week, Like that's awesome.
Speaker 7: But it's like because I'm old and I want to
Speaker 7: keep hunting when i'm old, that's right, Yeah, it's not
Speaker 7: because I want.
Speaker 3: To Well you're not old, but I understand what you're
Speaker 3: saying you're trying to keep in shape, and yeah, but.
Speaker 2: This this guy that we clear trail with, Jimy's got
Speaker 2: a question shake.
Speaker 4: No, just saying you gotta start running.
Speaker 2: He he he said it right, and like it's stuck
Speaker 2: with me in a time. But in miles seventy five
Speaker 2: or eighty, it really rang true where he's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: the first fifty, he's like, it's kind of fun. He's like,
Speaker 2: the second fifty you find out what you're made out of.
Speaker 2: And it's like, you can't really say it any better
Speaker 2: than that, because that second fifty, it's like the first
Speaker 2: fifties just kind of like the price of admission to
Speaker 2: get to see what's going to happen in the second fifty,
Speaker 2: you know, because you can't. You're not gonna know one
Speaker 2: without the other.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, like I'm just here to see what
Speaker 1: happens later.
Speaker 2: Yeah you are. You're like sceneries great, Like we're in
Speaker 2: the mountains.
Speaker 1: I know, I got this one. I got the first fifty.
Speaker 2: It's a beautiful long day in the mountains. I had
Speaker 2: this crazy guy run up to me like I hadn't
Speaker 2: been done, I had crossed the finish line, hugged everybody
Speaker 2: that was there helping me and the other friends that
Speaker 2: had ran it. This other guy, Stephen Graham, who I
Speaker 2: kind of know a run into him a few times
Speaker 2: on the trails round Bowman. He runs up to me
Speaker 2: and he's like, what did you think about that crazy
Speaker 2: ridge around Honey Trail? When I'm up there, I just
Speaker 2: feel like I'm following a wounded bull elk And I'm
Speaker 2: just like, what, dude, what are you talking about? And
Speaker 2: then he's like, yeah, you know, you're just on that
Speaker 2: like kind of slopey rolling hill and there's really no
Speaker 2: trail and it kind of just keeps going and going
Speaker 2: and going. And I'm like, oh, yeah, I kind of
Speaker 2: see what you're saying. Like like he just like that's
Speaker 2: what is in his mind because it's not a great trail.
Speaker 2: There's just these flags like on this like bunch grass hillside,
Speaker 2: and it's just like this kind of like you're like,
Speaker 2: why is the trail here? So it's like a like
Speaker 2: a like a trail wounded bull elk would take where
Speaker 2: you're just like there's no rhyme or reason. He's just
Speaker 2: sort of like traveling here. And but that guy had
Speaker 2: way too much energy. Well I'll leave it with this.
Speaker 2: It's amazing how at like ninety you're like, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: die up here. Yeah, you know, I might lay down
Speaker 2: and the crows will just pick my eyes out. And
Speaker 2: then you get done and you give a you hogs
Speaker 2: around and everybody's like, sit down, what can we get
Speaker 2: for you? And all of a sudden you're like, oh no,
Speaker 2: I feel pretty good now that that's behind me. Like
Speaker 2: I'm cool to hang out and like let's watch everybody
Speaker 2: else finish and clap and and like all a sudden,
Speaker 2: your brain is just like, oh, that's behind us, so
Speaker 2: you can like enjoy yourself again.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Man, that's so cool that you did that. I just
Speaker 3: I can't even. It's like very hard to imagine running.
Speaker 1: This giant candy sack. Come when the generator went down?
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just appeared.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it would you like it to go away?
Speaker 1: Oh, it's just like a little bit of continuity'd be appreciated.
Speaker 1: I mean, Phil, no amount of magical Phil. If Phil
Speaker 1: cleaned up, sorry Phil, Phil clean it feels like no problem,
Speaker 1: I got the whole thing cleaned up. It'd be like,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, And it's also be like.
Speaker 2: I was trying to address it when we when we
Speaker 2: started recording again, and I was saying that we're kind
Speaker 2: of like some long distance runners that basically at some
Speaker 2: point you just turned to eating a lot of sugar.
Speaker 1: So hopefully Phil, no, well he'll know there's no point
Speaker 1: in trying to clean up the edit.
Speaker 5: Nope, don't do it.
Speaker 1: Phil.
Speaker 4: Can we combine these bags or do you want to
Speaker 4: just keep.
Speaker 1: Separate candy management here? Yeah, it's like a Halloween.
Speaker 4: I should bring us home and give it.
Speaker 1: Congratulations? Man, thanks?
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks?
Speaker 1: Oh I thought that was cool. Speaking of doing crazy,
Speaker 1: it's a cool it's a good feat. It's like a
Speaker 1: you know, it was a real accomplishment.
Speaker 2: Man, it is no. No, I I one hundred percent
Speaker 2: feel that way. I'm very My goal was number. First
Speaker 2: goal was to finish, and I always say finished the
Speaker 2: smile on my face, which I did. Second goal was
Speaker 2: to go thirty hours. I did it thirty three. It
Speaker 2: was a lofty goal. I said. I think I could
Speaker 2: go back now with experience probably pull that off. But uh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm very happy. It's It's like there was at times
Speaker 2: I'm like, eh, did I do it? Did I do
Speaker 2: it well enough? And multiple people have reached out and
Speaker 2: been like, look, dude, that's like one of the hardest
Speaker 2: ones in the country. It's a lot of elevation, like
Speaker 2: those trails I was talking about earlier where the footing
Speaker 2: just stinks for mile after mile after a mile after
Speaker 2: a mile, and so they're like, look as your first attempt,
Speaker 2: your debut, one hundred, great job, you know, so I'm pumped.
Speaker 2: I got my belt buckle.
Speaker 5: I've been.
Speaker 1: Right now.
Speaker 3: Do you get a belt buckle for like everyone.
Speaker 2: Or every hundred? It's like whatever. I don't know where
Speaker 2: it came from. I should look that up. But it's
Speaker 2: like a thing.
Speaker 1: Like they stole like Rodeos groove. Yeah, that's not very nice.
Speaker 1: I want to their own thing, like a headband.
Speaker 9: So you gonna you gotta start dressing like a little
Speaker 9: western just so you can show off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, why not just give me like a like a headband.
Speaker 7: You should be giving out like halibut belt buckles up here.
Speaker 1: That'd be a sweet belt box. Actually, I don't wear
Speaker 1: any kind of but I wear a belt. My belt
Speaker 1: has no metal on it.
Speaker 8: I've never owned a belt.
Speaker 1: I wear all it's all fabric bell crow belt.
Speaker 2: I used to rock a.
Speaker 3: Belt buckle back in the day, you don't anymore.
Speaker 2: You had that fancy belt doesn't keep your fly closed.
Speaker 1: No, I never sit that up. You know what. Well,
Speaker 1: when I'm wearing my bibs. When I'm wearing my bibs,
Speaker 1: I can wear my bibs all day. I leave that down.
Speaker 1: So I got coverage elsewhere totally.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was actually running that program today too. But
Speaker 2: speaking of doing kind of hard crazy stuff, we really
Speaker 2: haven't gotten to sit down and chat about Africa at all.
Speaker 1: No, you and I have nothing. I've been chatting about
Speaker 1: it a lot. Yeah, but I wouldn't call it like
Speaker 1: it's not it's not it's yeah, I wouldn't say hard
Speaker 1: and crazy.
Speaker 2: I mean, but like you, we were just talking when
Speaker 2: we weren't recording about how another American has been.
Speaker 1: Killed two guys this year.
Speaker 2: Two guys have keep being killed this year hunting Black Death.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that till uh that's the name. That's
Speaker 1: the nickname for the KPE Buffalo Black.
Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, I knew it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, two yeah, two Americans killed. The guy just got killed. Now,
Speaker 1: so we're just debating, like how bad do you feel?
Speaker 1: Like it's too bad? But part of the allure is
Speaker 1: it you're hunting a thing that gets you. That's what's
Speaker 1: so that's what like, it's so enticing about it, so,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Because otherwise it's kind of like you're hunting a cow.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I had friends that pushed it too long
Speaker 1: and mountaineering and they anywhere that was going.
Speaker 7: But it's part of that animal is part of the
Speaker 7: Big Five and all, like the reason they're called Big
Speaker 7: five is because they're all dangerous.
Speaker 1: You know what I didn't you know, I didn't know
Speaker 1: you know when people say planes game, Yeah, I was like, well,
Speaker 1: what's not planes game? The only thing not planes game
Speaker 1: is dangerous game. I thought there was like like another category,
Speaker 1: it's dangerous game planes game?
Speaker 4: What about like waterfowl?
Speaker 1: Is that just oh no, no in Africa hunting, well don't
Speaker 1: they have Yeah, that would be just a whole different
Speaker 1: cat on. But people say like planes game and you're like, okay,
Speaker 1: what is not that? And what's not that is dangerous game? Yeah?
Speaker 1: It's like it's like being around uh like in the end,
Speaker 1: we had like nothing happened, you know, I mean we
Speaker 1: killed the bull and watched it kill the bull wash.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's what I want to know about is
Speaker 2: in that particular hunt, like when it finally went down,
Speaker 2: were you scared?
Speaker 1: No, not at all.
Speaker 5: Never I was.
Speaker 1: I wasn't. There was points where you're like, oh, I
Speaker 1: see how this goes. You know, like you're in eight
Speaker 1: foot high grass and they're right in front of you.
Speaker 1: You can see the grass moving, you can hear and
Speaker 1: see the birds, the oxpeckers that are on them all
Speaker 1: the time. You can hear the oxpeckers and you see
Speaker 1: them flitting around and they're just twenty yards. You know,
Speaker 1: You're like, there's a two thousand pound thing twenty yards.
Speaker 1: It has a reputation, right, But all they do is
Speaker 1: they just want to They don't like, you know, they
Speaker 1: smell you gone, but you're so you're aware. And then
Speaker 1: we're at a spot where they're like, oh, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is where Roger got you know, we went to the
Speaker 1: spot and they're like, oh yeah, right here, this is
Speaker 1: where Roger got. This is where Roger got plastered, and
Speaker 1: he got it like a.
Speaker 2: Grizzly bear that ninety nine out of one hundred times
Speaker 2: it smells you and runs and then but one percent
Speaker 2: at a time it just is like, oh, I'm pissed
Speaker 2: and I'm coming in after.
Speaker 5: You, I said, a lot of time, it's when they're wounded.
Speaker 1: It really is, like, that's what was unusual that there's
Speaker 1: a guy from Texas just got killed and in the
Speaker 1: article and the reporting for the articles pointed out was unwounded.
Speaker 1: So these guys Morgan knows gout like the trackers. It's
Speaker 1: it's just they're worried about the wounded ones. But what
Speaker 1: was pointed out to me, it's interesting. It doesn't mean
Speaker 1: it was wounded by you. This guy Roger got plastered
Speaker 1: by one that had been wounded by a lion, right,
Speaker 1: So it's or they get wounded by someone else yor
Speaker 1: wounded for some other reason. And so there's just there's
Speaker 1: a chance that out there are wounded ones. And so
Speaker 1: there's also that you hit one, and then you got
Speaker 1: to trail your wounded one. Yeah, and when you hit them,
Speaker 1: they go into the thickest shit they can find, right,
Speaker 1: and then you gotta go in. It's either on a
Speaker 1: rot or you're gonna go in there and find them
Speaker 1: and that's nerve racking. Or there's always a chance that
Speaker 1: you're on one and he's something else wounded him. But
Speaker 1: the trackers are paying a lot of attention to how
Speaker 1: it behaves. That's just through conversation. They're when they're tracking,
Speaker 1: they're watching like it's something wrong with it. If they
Speaker 1: if they're on one it's dragging its foot, funny, not
Speaker 1: doing the right things in the right places, suggesting that
Speaker 1: he's got a problem. Then they'll be like, heads up,
Speaker 1: we're following one that something's wrong.
Speaker 2: With So how did yours go down? Have you already
Speaker 2: explained this in a different podcast?
Speaker 1: No, how did you know? We talked about a little bit.
Speaker 1: We we got on a group and tracked a group
Speaker 1: for a few hours, lost him, got back, got in
Speaker 1: a truck, went down the road a little ways and
Speaker 1: saw a bull, just caught a glimpse of a bull
Speaker 1: moving along. Got out and went down the road paralleling
Speaker 1: him and kept well. First we went off, tried to
Speaker 1: find him, parallettle while, looked for him, look for him,
Speaker 1: looked for him, couldn't find him. Then we stopped. We're
Speaker 1: doing that little thing like like we lost him, you know,
Speaker 1: standing there. Uh, it was very late in the day.
Speaker 1: They they cut where we ducked in at one point
Speaker 1: and cut a track and saw that he'd already come through.
Speaker 1: Like we're like, we're like, we know he's going along
Speaker 1: in a line. So we kind of paralleled along seventy
Speaker 1: five yards off and at one point cut over to
Speaker 1: intersect his line to see like had he been through
Speaker 1: or not yet, and realized, oh, he'd already passed through.
Speaker 1: So now we kind of went and cut thinking we
Speaker 1: were going to maybe be in front of him, but
Speaker 1: they hit the track and like, no, he's already been
Speaker 1: through here, so he backed out paralleled more and then
Speaker 1: just nothing was like seeing nothing, hear nothing. And then
Speaker 1: we're doing that little stand around thing you do, like
Speaker 1: when you kind of are regrouping, and all sudden heard
Speaker 1: like a twig and everybody also like like well the
Speaker 1: twig went snap, and everybody did that like like I
Speaker 1: just heard something, and and all of a sudden, like
Speaker 1: everybody stared in the same spot, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: there it's just like there's like he's out, and also
Speaker 1: there's his head peering how far down through the seventy
Speaker 1: five yards his head peering down, and and that you
Speaker 1: could see him playing his day, and at that he
Speaker 1: kind of turned a little bit. Morgan's like see the
Speaker 1: see his chin go eight inches down and four or
Speaker 1: five inches over from his chin and hit him right there.
Speaker 2: Because you get like you can't so you shot him
Speaker 2: quording to well, I didn't do what he said.
Speaker 1: I was a little off, but it was like, all's well,
Speaker 1: that ends well because it was high but just went
Speaker 1: right into his chest cavity, so it kind of almost
Speaker 1: went in like he's looking at you with his head down.
Speaker 1: Imagine that he's down like this. Imagine it entered kind
Speaker 1: of in your where your cheek meets your neck, but
Speaker 1: just you know, yeah, then I shot it that I
Speaker 1: then I tried to hit him two more times when
Speaker 1: he ram but missed him. For the trackers that were
Speaker 1: the skinners, they never found anything. I shot at him
Speaker 1: two more times as he ran, but I don't think
Speaker 1: I connected on him, but the one was fatal.
Speaker 7: And the whole time you're following and tracking them, the
Speaker 7: most important thing is wind.
Speaker 1: Or yeah, but you like we did too long. We
Speaker 1: did two like long, like real active tracks following one
Speaker 1: like you get on them and you're hoping to you're
Speaker 1: tracking and the trackers know the behavior so well. But
Speaker 1: it may be kind of very similar like picture you
Speaker 1: found the elk in the snow. You get up a
Speaker 1: day break and he's out, like you know where he's
Speaker 1: not gonna be, Meaning if you're up on some big
Speaker 1: high plateau right blown off where he's feeding in the snow,
Speaker 1: it's like, now it's nine in the morning, I know
Speaker 1: where he's not gonna be. He's not gonna be here,
Speaker 1: He's gonna be up in that timber hole.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 1: So you kind of got that right, and they know
Speaker 1: that it's different because it's more subtle, but they know
Speaker 1: where he wants to be. So when you're going along
Speaker 1: sometimes you're like, he doesn't want to be here. And
Speaker 1: then you get to places where they become intensely interested.
Speaker 1: So you'll come in and just some little thing like
Speaker 1: like a thick timber patch and like a little depression,
Speaker 1: and what they'll know, like what's the sun gonna do?
Speaker 1: And how much? Because they want to be in the dark, dang,
Speaker 1: they want to lay down in the dark. They want
Speaker 1: to lay down where they can see out of their hole,
Speaker 1: and they're gonna be in like tucked in. So all
Speaker 1: of sudden, too get where they just stopped, and they
Speaker 1: stare and stare and stare, and then they move five
Speaker 1: feet and stare and stare and stare, and then move
Speaker 1: over and stare and stare and stare because they're like,
Speaker 1: I think he's in there. He's in that hole. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And then you look at it from every angle, and
Speaker 1: you look at it from every angle and you just
Speaker 1: can't find them. And eventually someone slips around and like
Speaker 1: he left, he's not in that patch, but he's still
Speaker 1: not running.
Speaker 2: He never ran.
Speaker 5: Is it over?
Speaker 8: If you bump them?
Speaker 1: Not necessarily we bumped them and went. We bumped one twice,
Speaker 1: so when you go, he's not there and he didn't run,
Speaker 1: then you keep on them. So one we get to
Speaker 1: the end. One the way it ended is all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, I'm from I don't know, man, not not me,
Speaker 1: to that sink. But we're like in one of those patches,
Speaker 1: and they're just they're like, he's here. They just know.
Speaker 1: They're like he's here.
Speaker 7: And was that at all creepy?
Speaker 1: Like there's two of them and they're he's just here, yeah,
Speaker 1: And we're in there, and all of a sudden that's
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, one gets I gather gets
Speaker 1: up out of its bed and I can just see
Speaker 1: half its face and one of its horns and the
Speaker 1: thing is that thing is not me to that sink.
Speaker 1: But it's just like right, all of a sudden, that
Speaker 1: was the first one I got a good look at.
Speaker 1: I got half his face in a horn and he's
Speaker 1: just there and it's like it didn't he had zero interest.
Speaker 1: All he wanted to do was slip out. But you're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I see now, do you know what I mean? Like they
Speaker 1: let you just get on them and sure at some
Speaker 1: point now and then you know, but he was nothing
Speaker 1: like that. There was no all the all the tension,
Speaker 1: any tension that I felt, was all because all the stories.
Speaker 1: Do you follow me? All the stories? So it's like
Speaker 1: you're carrying all those tales, right because otherwise you'd be like,
Speaker 1: what do you like? What is the deal? It's some
Speaker 1: like giant.
Speaker 7: Bovid looking thing and the trackers aren't throwing off any cues,
Speaker 7: Like you should be pretty scared right now, Like you're
Speaker 7: looking at the trackers and they're just cool as ice.
Speaker 1: R y know they do when when one comes, they're
Speaker 1: down flat on the ground. Dive out of the way,
Speaker 1: but they're down and they want to be down where
Speaker 1: they can't get hooked back up and and Morgan, the
Speaker 1: professional hunter kept saying to the trackers. He's like them,
Speaker 1: don't worry about them, like they're that's my job, and
Speaker 1: they're gonna be very quickly. They're gonna very quickly go
Speaker 1: from being in front of me to be to be
Speaker 1: in mind because like he's to do with the gun,
Speaker 1: Like at the end of the day, he's the guy
Speaker 1: that's putting everybody in the situation, and so it's his
Speaker 1: job to draw the attention. So like your role as
Speaker 1: a professional hunter, your role is to all of a
Speaker 1: sudden be the menacing one. And he wants all eyes
Speaker 1: on him, Like he don't he don't get to dive down,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? He's got to stay
Speaker 1: on the ground, Like that's that's what you sign up for.
Speaker 1: You're like, there's it's just not part of the ethos,
Speaker 1: do you know. I mean, Like, if it comes, you're
Speaker 1: there and that's your thing. You don't get to flinch.
Speaker 1: You gotta go forward into it, and everybody else is
Speaker 1: expected to like save themselves. He's like, don't do anything.
Speaker 1: He wouldn't even tell you, don't do anything that takes
Speaker 1: the attention for me, Like I'm the problem I'm the
Speaker 1: one up in his face, not you, you know, uh so no,
Speaker 1: like nothing like that like other stuff. You know, like
Speaker 1: we had a black we had a run and we
Speaker 1: talked about this bunch on the podcast, but previously we
Speaker 1: had a we had a not even a run it.
Speaker 1: We had an experience with a black mom. But and
Speaker 1: you're like, holy cow, Like I can so easily see
Speaker 1: how that goes Yeah, you're like, I can see how
Speaker 1: that happens with that, with my experience with Kate Buffalo,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have come away. Hadn't I had the background
Speaker 1: of reading and the stories, I wouldn't have come away
Speaker 1: and been like, I can see how that goes bad.
Speaker 3: I have I have a question, and it's this is
Speaker 3: not a this is not a passive aggressive nor aggressive
Speaker 3: aggressive question, and it's for all of you guys that hunt,
Speaker 3: which is everyone here. Given how we started talking about
Speaker 3: this because of the two unfortunate guys who died hunting
Speaker 3: Kate Buffalo, and you were saying, well, you know, it's
Speaker 3: kind of it's a part of hunting k Buffalo. That's
Speaker 3: a risk. So you can't really say, oh, it's you know,
Speaker 3: you can say that it's a bad thing that it happened,
Speaker 3: and it's sad that it happened, but you can't really
Speaker 3: say it was totally unexpected.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like it's kind of complicated. I don't want
Speaker 1: to sound.
Speaker 3: That's not my question though, Okay, oh sorry, that's okay.
Speaker 3: My question is knowing that, like if you on this
Speaker 3: hunt were to have expired because you got killed by
Speaker 3: a k buffalo, Like do you ever think some of
Speaker 3: the things that you're hunting, Like is it ever irresponsible
Speaker 3: to go on a hunt, given your family, given other
Speaker 3: responsibilities you have in the world, Like do you ever
Speaker 3: think about that before you pursue a certain animal.
Speaker 1: Or no, because none of it's like, none of it's
Speaker 1: none of it's like that.
Speaker 7: Also, I don't know that, and I don't want to
Speaker 7: speak for those guys, but I don't know that what
Speaker 7: in the long run that what Steve did hunting buffalo
Speaker 7: is any more dangerous than going fishing or like you
Speaker 7: name it, hunting grizzlies or like anything can get yeah, right.
Speaker 1: Hunting big fishing, big water in small boats. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: none of it rises up when I when I dudes
Speaker 1: that have families and die on K two that that
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, it's kind of weird call. It's an
Speaker 1: odd call as a dad.
Speaker 10: But they'd probably say, because there's a death for every
Speaker 10: four summits true, yeah or whatever, right, I think it's
Speaker 10: a death for every four something Like I'm saying, there
Speaker 10: is a point there, there is a at which where
Speaker 10: there's a point where the risk is so high. And
Speaker 10: I don't condemn him, but there's a point where the
Speaker 10: risk is so high when a guy dies on K
Speaker 10: two and you don't need to go on K two.
Speaker 10: Like when a guy dies on K two and I
Speaker 10: see that he has a family, you know, I will
Speaker 10: think to myself, huh, that's like a strange call or
Speaker 10: call you.
Speaker 7: Made going base jumping or something like.
Speaker 1: I don't know enough about the statistics on it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but I mean I would look at that, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 7: that'd be a response, like.
Speaker 1: An odd call. Yeah, when you have kids. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: one of the first, one of the first times I
Speaker 1: ever really stopped thinking about that thing, like like this
Speaker 1: kind they were talking about is Yannie and I had
Speaker 1: the good fortune and spend some time with Rourke Denver,
Speaker 1: who uh was a Navy seal was deployed overseas served
Speaker 1: in combat zones, combat veteran, and he would always use this.
Speaker 1: He had this like like a euphemism for death. You
Speaker 1: know what you would say, if I all, if I fall?
Speaker 1: And I remember him saying that he went to his
Speaker 1: mom to say, if I fall, and that was the term.
Speaker 1: That's the term you use, Uh, if I fall. I
Speaker 1: don't like, don't. I don't want you to be sad, Like,
Speaker 1: don't be sad if I fall. And and I don't
Speaker 1: think that way, but I I it was funny to
Speaker 1: hear someone where, uh, someone in a certain occupation who
Speaker 1: had been to such high risk environments. That got to
Speaker 1: the point where that's how you think about it, m hm,
Speaker 1: that it's so high risk that you're telling your mom
Speaker 1: how you would like her to how you would like
Speaker 1: her to feel. But I, but that's high.
Speaker 3: Risk military service. I feel like, is it.
Speaker 1: Totally what I'm saying? Like that, Like that is like
Speaker 1: legitimately high risk climbing K two, Like I think like
Speaker 1: to be like, uh.
Speaker 3: To be not just not just high risk, but like
Speaker 3: in the service of your country.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's yeah, I'm not what I was getting at.
Speaker 1: I wasn't there's there's there's zero parallel. What I was
Speaker 1: getting at was I was what I was trying to capture.
Speaker 1: There was I was trying to capture, Like what is
Speaker 1: the mindset of someone who does things that are actually
Speaker 1: high risk? Right? Like not true, there's you can't even
Speaker 1: there's there's no you can't equate it at all, like
Speaker 1: me dicking around hunting with doing something like that. You
Speaker 1: can't equate it. But the point was, like the way
Speaker 1: Rourke had such a and maybe it's over now because
Speaker 1: he's out and his kids and all that, but he
Speaker 1: had such a comfortable he just arrived at a very
Speaker 1: comfortable place about it because it's actually high risk, right,
Speaker 1: Like remember there was a single helicopter crash that killed
Speaker 1: eighteen guys, including like in the like thirteen, I don't
Speaker 1: know it was thirteen or fourteen seals all like bam.
Speaker 7: I mean they couldn't do their job if they know,
Speaker 7: you know what I mean, if they worried about it.
Speaker 1: Yes, super comfortable. A friend of mine, like a kind
Speaker 1: of a friend of guy acquaintance I had, the guy
Speaker 1: knew died on K two, he lost most of his
Speaker 1: friend group. Already very comfortable, like very comfortable with it
Speaker 1: because it's like there's such a likelihood, like he went
Speaker 1: once and got injured, one up in the hospital, got better,
Speaker 1: went back and died. And it's like, I don't there's
Speaker 1: no thing, is there any There's no thing in hunting.
Speaker 1: There's no thing in hunting. Uh, there's no thing in
Speaker 1: hunting that is at that risk level.
Speaker 6: Do you know what the like is there statistic for
Speaker 6: injuries like k Buffalo? Is it is that even like a.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that would be.
Speaker 4: I feel like it's got to be relatively low.
Speaker 1: A couple of years, yeah, but I mean there's not
Speaker 1: that many people doing it, but a couple of.
Speaker 3: Year is Brody and Yannis and Seth. Is there any
Speaker 3: hunt you wouldn't do because of the risk?
Speaker 9: I mean if if there was like all of a sudden,
Speaker 9: you know, like say you know the Coups deer hunt Mexico, say,
Speaker 9: all of a sudden, it's like extremely dangerous and like
Speaker 9: to go there and a lot of people are getting
Speaker 9: like killed by the cartel.
Speaker 1: Whatever something like mafia stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd be like, Okay, I'm good, I don't I
Speaker 5: don't need to go.
Speaker 3: But not the actual so like the circumstances with the area.
Speaker 1: No, okay, answer stuff.
Speaker 5: But yeah, not not.
Speaker 9: Not an animal. It would be the environment, like the
Speaker 9: you know, it'd be more human element.
Speaker 6: I would say, right, there's some places that I wouldn't like.
Speaker 6: I'm not experienced by any means, but there's certain places
Speaker 6: where I wouldn't like.
Speaker 3: Free die at m That's that's an interesting there's areas interesting.
Speaker 1: I had that, but then I went there and it
Speaker 1: was not fun.
Speaker 2: You took me there, didn't you.
Speaker 1: Well then I went with Greg another time, uh like
Speaker 1: NorCal stuff, you know, and not. I shouldn't say it
Speaker 1: was not fun. It was like so much going on,
Speaker 1: Like it's so much going on, and then there's that
Speaker 1: you got that stupid shark proof thing hanging off your ankle,
Speaker 1: shark deterrent that that. Yeah, but you just get used
Speaker 1: to it. He just does it now and he's like,
Speaker 1: you don't think about it. There's nothing you can do.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna know if what if you get hit
Speaker 1: by a white white shark. He's like, that's relaxing. You're
Speaker 1: there's nothing you're gonna do. Other sharks, there's stuff you
Speaker 1: can do. He's like, with that shark, you're not gonna know.
Speaker 1: And there's nothing you can do, and so I just
Speaker 1: don't think about it. That's just that's Greg's take on it.
Speaker 1: Greg dives that. Greg. That's cut it. That's his whole,
Speaker 1: that's his zone.
Speaker 3: I wish Greg was over here. You started talking about
Speaker 3: like how does he assess the risk? I mean, I
Speaker 3: understand that all of these things we were talking, like
Speaker 3: extreme running or hunting in you know, really wild environments
Speaker 3: like these are the things that make you feel alive,
Speaker 3: so you can't be so afraid of death and all
Speaker 3: the things that you're doing. But like where is the
Speaker 3: where is the line?
Speaker 2: But again, the odds, like if you're going to start
Speaker 2: worrying about stuff, the odds are that you're going to
Speaker 2: get smashed by another driver driving around your town and
Speaker 2: get killed that way before you get killed by a
Speaker 2: grizz or a cape buffalo or a great white shark.
Speaker 1: That's like, that's what the psychology is is there's these
Speaker 1: fantastical things that suck up tons of headspace. So when
Speaker 1: I took Jimmy dive in the oil rigs in Louisiana,
Speaker 1: like it's just they're just our sharks. It's not like
Speaker 1: what will happen if we see a shark. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's just are every rig. There's just they're there, like
Speaker 1: bigger than you, every rig. They're just around, And so
Speaker 1: I then I'm not worried about me, but I'm like
Speaker 1: worried about something like there's a sort of mental irritation
Speaker 1: that that'll happen to him. But I'm like, why am
Speaker 1: I not having a bunch of mental irritation that he'll
Speaker 1: make a really dumb judgment and get himself in the prop?
Speaker 1: It's probably like far more likely that you're gonna screw
Speaker 1: up and someone's gonna throw it in reverse when you're
Speaker 1: not supposed to, when you're gonna miss here that it's
Speaker 1: clear or whatever. Why am I not all day thinking
Speaker 1: about the prop? But instead all day I'm thinking about sharks.
Speaker 1: But then you talk to the guys you're with and
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, this that's from the boat prop. This
Speaker 1: that's from the boat problem. I feel like there's a
Speaker 1: level of what you're like, but you don't think about
Speaker 1: boat props because they're not exciting to think about.
Speaker 6: I think it's also what you're like necessarily used to
Speaker 6: because like I'm just gonna say, we're around a lot
Speaker 6: more boat props than we are sharks, Like that's a you.
Speaker 7: Know, yeah, I mean the things you can't control are scarier, right, yeah,
Speaker 7: especially when they got teeth or horns or whatever.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Or you're just like men, you worry about everything all
Speaker 3: the time, no matter what boat props and your mom.
Speaker 1: You often aren't worried about the right thing.
Speaker 3: Tell me more about that, really.
Speaker 1: Well, no, you probably are like you hanging around here,
Speaker 1: you know you ought to be worried about.
Speaker 3: I mean, just let's add it to the list getting.
Speaker 1: In being Uh, yeah, you're worried about the right thing.
Speaker 3: Being in little skiffs in the big water.
Speaker 1: It all sudden you're in the water and the boat ain't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's bad.
Speaker 4: Ye.
Speaker 3: I think about that every single time I get in
Speaker 3: the boat.
Speaker 1: It's just like insurmountable, like you can't swim it.
Speaker 3: I watched one of my kids get in the boat.
Speaker 3: I think about what would happen? Like, do you think
Speaker 3: about that today?
Speaker 1: Mabel? She's someone said something about the boat sinking and
Speaker 1: I said, she said, well, we're dead, And I said, no,
Speaker 1: we're gonna swim that way. She goes, I can't swim
Speaker 1: that far. I'll get hypothermia. I'm like, that's true. I
Speaker 1: didn't tell her. I was like, well, we're gonna stick
Speaker 1: with the boat, and I don't know, Like that's the
Speaker 1: thing to pay attention to.
Speaker 3: It's on the radar.
Speaker 1: But when I'm diving around here, and what I'm thinking about,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I know they don't, but why don't killer
Speaker 1: whales bite people? Why don't they bite people? That's what
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about, Like, I know they don't, but what
Speaker 1: if they did? And I'm not thinking about what if
Speaker 1: I come up and the boat's gone.
Speaker 4: That happened once.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that happened to be Jimmy. Well, no, we were
Speaker 1: by the shore. It would just been the sucky situation.
Speaker 6: Well, if we were out in the middle of the ocean,
Speaker 6: we've been a far bigger problem.
Speaker 3: I mean, you've almost killed me in these waters before
Speaker 3: they did. You hear about that story?
Speaker 4: Yeah, over Greg's place, he has.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it be like he killed his girlfriend, not the
Speaker 1: mother of his children.
Speaker 6: There's go pro footage of him like diving around like
Speaker 6: on the bottom, around that chum bag and sea lions
Speaker 6: like coming in at Frank's coming in behind him and
Speaker 6: heads going like here and just going straight past him. Yeah, well,
Speaker 6: I mean, like those do attack people.
Speaker 5: They swim through the water their heads.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well underwater they spiral like this and like get
Speaker 6: all close to you and act all aggressive.
Speaker 2: You've seen that in the water, No, but I've.
Speaker 6: I've I mean he just had him and Greg got
Speaker 6: to happen. I'm trying to stay away from those. I've
Speaker 6: seen seals. I've gotten pretty close to seals. Seals don't
Speaker 6: do anything though.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not going to get in the water.
Speaker 1: We had one last talking point. Sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 3: I was just going to say, I think that's when
Speaker 3: you can picture what people would say when you if
Speaker 3: you were to die.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what do you people would be like? I
Speaker 1: wrote about that.
Speaker 3: I wrote about that, Yeah for the Free Press thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wrote about that. When you're doing things you
Speaker 1: can't live that way, but you're doing things you just
Speaker 1: picture like you know, oh that he would bring his children,
Speaker 1: he would put his children at risk.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, But there's truth to it. I mean,
Speaker 3: there is truth to that. I'm not saying that that
Speaker 3: truth should like supersede the other positive benefits that are,
Speaker 3: you know, gleaned by giving your kids the opportunities to
Speaker 3: do these really wild adventurous things, and I think as
Speaker 3: parents we've are in agreement that that outweighs the risk.
Speaker 3: But it's sad to think, like if you were too,
Speaker 3: if you two went diving tomorrow and you to be killed,
Speaker 3: Like what an asshole took his kid out by anything?
Speaker 1: Lost our boat lightning?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I guess this really, But like if you're
Speaker 2: if he took his kid driving, yeah, that's a whole
Speaker 2: other story in a you know, in sketchy winter conditions,
Speaker 2: and then there's an accident.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's a I know, there's always yeah, the.
Speaker 1: Like the judgment part that that I don't I'm aware
Speaker 1: of it. But the judgment part. I got enough problems
Speaker 1: with something bad happens, Like the judgment part I wouldn't
Speaker 1: worry about. And when uh, what's kind of funny is
Speaker 1: we'll close this up in a second. But when the submersible,
Speaker 1: the Titan, the ocean Gate submersible, when it imploded, I
Speaker 1: was asked about like and immediately all these people, without
Speaker 1: even knowing any of the story, all this condemnation, Oh
Speaker 1: so stupid, what idiots, the Hubrisks. They deserved it, right,
Speaker 1: And it was like before anyone knew the details, there
Speaker 1: was a ton of condemnation. I'm gonna be careful of
Speaker 1: my words here because before the details emerged, there was
Speaker 1: an immediate condemnation and it was kind of like, how
Speaker 1: dare you be risky?
Speaker 8: Care you go where you're not supposed to?
Speaker 1: Yeah, how dare you be risky? We're gonna ridicule you
Speaker 1: for being risky?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 1: And I almost wrote about that. I was asked to
Speaker 1: write about it. I was asked to write about risk
Speaker 1: and like in this sort of thing where it's people
Speaker 1: feeling like they had to be so safe all the time.
Speaker 1: In hindsight, I'm glad I didn't because when the story
Speaker 1: emerged about Stockton Rush, the CEO right of the company,
Speaker 1: and his attitude toward his own team, his attitude towards
Speaker 1: safety records, his attitude towards just basically the science of
Speaker 1: what he was trying to do was negligent to the
Speaker 1: point that he kind of killed those people, Like.
Speaker 11: He he not quite did he put a gun against him,
Speaker 11: but like he was toying with the hammer, right, he
Speaker 11: was playing with a pistol with those guys downrange, like
Speaker 11: to put it in gun terms.
Speaker 1: So then I was like, man, I'm glad I didn't
Speaker 1: do what I did because it was something bad. And
Speaker 1: so there's that there's like people that get into a
Speaker 1: thing where there's like an inevitability of what's going to come.
Speaker 1: To bring it back to Kate Buffalo and I respect him.
Speaker 1: You know. We talked about Morgan.
Speaker 3: Potter, who's wonderful.
Speaker 1: Yep, great guy, family man. But there you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: so you're gonna track a bunch of those and you're
Speaker 1: going to track three or four wounded ones every year,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna do this for thirty or forty years. Oh,
Speaker 1: I see, that's an interesting choice. It's like it's.
Speaker 3: Also interesting doing that. He was doing that prior to
Speaker 3: having a family. Yeah, that's like, you know, in many ways,
Speaker 3: a lot of the stuff that you do, even if
Speaker 3: I don't like it or if I think it's too risky,
Speaker 3: you did it before we were married and had a family.
Speaker 3: So how could I ask you not to do it now?
Speaker 3: Like it wouldn't be fair. It's not who you are.
Speaker 2: I don't feel like I do risky ship anymore. I
Speaker 2: just don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't feel like I do risky stuff. Well I
Speaker 1: just went.
Speaker 3: Run. Yeah, some people could.
Speaker 2: Say, give me a heart attack.
Speaker 1: We just had a We just had a colleague that
Speaker 1: was for a run and had a tragic accident. Not
Speaker 1: an accident, but a health you know issue.
Speaker 2: Do I know about this?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know about it. You're the one who told
Speaker 1: me about it. One of our camera guys passed away.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 2: I didn't know the details though, so I didn't tell
Speaker 2: you about it.
Speaker 1: Oh sorry you said that to me.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, but I but at that point, we like.
Speaker 1: There's a goal funding front. We had a camera man
Speaker 1: is we had a cameraman, yes, Chldren. His name is
Speaker 1: Mike Lindamouth. He he filmed. If you watched the me
Speaker 1: Eater TV show and you saw an episode where Yanni
Speaker 1: and Night went hundred meal deer for instance, in Wyoming
Speaker 1: with crooked sky outfitters, like the cameraman that shot that show.
Speaker 5: He filmed, he filmed here.
Speaker 1: He at this table and yep, yep, okay, yeah, he
Speaker 1: sat in this sat here.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: He was like out on a run and collapsed. So
Speaker 1: I don't know tons of details about it, but when
Speaker 1: he was imagining. I hate to do this, I mean
Speaker 1: I hate to even talk with this someone that recently
Speaker 1: passed When he was imagining the risk in his life.
Speaker 1: I don't think he was imagining No, that right, he
Speaker 1: wasn't looking in that He wasn't looking in that direction.
Speaker 1: And this is not man. I don't even want to
Speaker 1: kind of be like being I don't even want to
Speaker 1: kind of get like philosophical about what his family is
Speaker 1: going through, like or like draw lessons from what happened
Speaker 1: to me. Let me, he's totally unexpected, totally tragic. However,
Speaker 1: there's just there's like the things you are obsessing over,
Speaker 1: and then there's the things that are going to get you,
Speaker 1: and they're not the same sometimes for the for the
Speaker 1: lucky few, they're the same stocked and rushed, the tight
Speaker 1: and submersible guy. The thing he obsessed over, the thing
Speaker 1: he worried about, got him, you.
Speaker 10: Know, And most people, some people would say, you know,
Speaker 10: that's okay.
Speaker 1: He probably would have. I think he would have. Last
Speaker 1: thought before we close, you guys are wondering why how
Speaker 1: it came to be that I used to tease you? Guys?
Speaker 1: I don't think I teased you know you did?
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I think it qualifies.
Speaker 1: Here's what why do why does that? Why do I
Speaker 1: now have one?
Speaker 3: Guys?
Speaker 8: In those stormy chromers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe the term goofy hat. I didn't know I
Speaker 1: was teasing something I didn't understand. You want to know
Speaker 1: what happened, Here's what happened. There's a rancher that lets
Speaker 1: me hunt his place, and as I do when I
Speaker 1: get when someone lets me hunt their place, I always
Speaker 1: like to follow up with a gift. And there's nothing
Speaker 1: a rancher likes more than a stormy chromer. Yep.
Speaker 2: So him and his cowboy maybe, but I see where
Speaker 2: you're going.
Speaker 5: So him and his kid.
Speaker 1: So first Light had a stormy chromer, a couple of
Speaker 1: stormy chromer collabs. So I wanted to get one for
Speaker 1: the dad, one for the sun. I got one on
Speaker 1: a warm one, uh, and I got one on the
Speaker 1: wax cotton. But I want him to come to my
Speaker 1: house so that I could then package them with a
Speaker 1: couple of little gifts and send it as an annual
Speaker 1: thank you. And I got it. And I don't want
Speaker 1: them to listen to this and think I put it on.
Speaker 1: But I got it. And I was like, oh, I see,
Speaker 1: because you order it to your size and in a boat,
Speaker 1: there's no way your hat's gonna blow off. Door hunting whatever.
Speaker 1: It's just suckers on there and the bill is the
Speaker 1: right length and sits just where.
Speaker 8: You It's not too long, it's not too short, just right.
Speaker 1: It's a little bit warm. It's not a hot weather hat.
Speaker 1: But around Yeah, I'm sure ones have their place, man,
Speaker 1: the boating around your hat is staying where it belongs.
Speaker 3: I think it's pretty interesting that as a thank you
Speaker 3: gift you ordered something for two people that you thought
Speaker 3: was goofy looking.
Speaker 4: That's a good point.
Speaker 1: I thought it was a little bit stolen balor for like.
Speaker 1: I thought it was like it'd be like if these
Speaker 1: guys had big old belt buckles. Yeah he does, well,
Speaker 1: he does now not. It was just like it was
Speaker 1: like it's like I view it like it's like a
Speaker 1: it's like a rancher hat, right.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's trying to be people in.
Speaker 1: The egg industry. So when a guy that is not
Speaker 1: in the egg and a guy that wasn't in the
Speaker 1: egg industry, I was a little bit like, yeah doing that.
Speaker 7: I just want to know how long that thing sat there.
Speaker 8: And Steve's like looking.
Speaker 4: At I.
Speaker 5: Knew immediately.
Speaker 1: I knew immediately. I understood why.
Speaker 2: It just happened to be your size that you had ordered.
Speaker 6: Well, you know what's funny. Brodie's son last year at
Speaker 6: the he was running one. Yeah, and you said it
Speaker 6: was the greatest hat ever made. And he told me
Speaker 6: about the history in Michigan and we looked on the
Speaker 6: back and everything.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: See when I was growing up, still trash talk. When
Speaker 1: I was growing up, it was like conflicted. I was
Speaker 1: conflicted here I am. I got the name of hat on.
Speaker 9: When I was growing up, it was I never even
Speaker 9: thought of a rancher or someone in the egg and
Speaker 9: she wearing it was always like the north Woods hunters,
Speaker 9: like folks in Maine, folks in northern Minnesota.
Speaker 1: Was got like, no, no, no, no, maybe Maine, Norton, Minnesota.
Speaker 1: I would have been like, really, what's Michigan, isn't it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's a Michigan pro Michigan.
Speaker 1: Up again, like hag adjacent. I think adjacent, Like if
Speaker 1: you were down, I mean, doesn't I don't. We don't
Speaker 1: spend all day. Let you know something, I'm happy like
Speaker 1: some guy getting a cranberry scone in Minneapolis. You know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I get.
Speaker 2: I gotta be like, really, I find it interesting how
Speaker 2: many people country the stormy chromer to me, is a
Speaker 2: very like technical, functional piece of equipment, especially when you
Speaker 2: compare it to a classic half plastic, half cotton baseball
Speaker 2: hat that most hunters are walking around in the woods
Speaker 2: in that really, I mean, it gives you some shade.
Speaker 2: But other than that, it's like the fabric that it's
Speaker 2: made out of is not very technical. It's if they
Speaker 2: get wet, they it stinks.
Speaker 7: They don't keep you warm, they don't keep you dry.
Speaker 1: What greater, what greater uh capitulation could there be? Then?
Speaker 5: Here?
Speaker 1: I am.
Speaker 3: I just think I don't hear you say that you
Speaker 3: were wrong. I wasn't I.
Speaker 5: Wasn't wrong.
Speaker 1: I just I wasn't wrong. I felt that there was
Speaker 1: like a just the same with cowboy hats. There's there's
Speaker 1: guys and I don't know, I know what when I
Speaker 1: see it. There's guys that should have them, there's guys
Speaker 1: that shouldn't have them.
Speaker 7: So I'm like the stormy chromer. You wake up one
Speaker 7: day and be like cowboy hat, Like you know.
Speaker 1: Listen, listen, listen me no business in the cop If
Speaker 1: you ever catch me in a cowboy hat, If you
Speaker 1: ever catch me a cowboy hat, I would expect you
Speaker 1: to punch me. Okay, I will never. I have no
Speaker 1: business in a cowboy hat, no business in the cop.
Speaker 8: I'm just glad you came around on the stormy chromer.
Speaker 1: I have no Yeah, I I have business in a
Speaker 1: stormy chromer. Oh yeah, you fit the half business in
Speaker 1: my fur hat. I do not have.
Speaker 3: Business for you while you're wearing it. That is what
Speaker 3: you're saying.
Speaker 8: He's not gonna he does.
Speaker 1: I spent what I'm on my way to say.
Speaker 7: He's talking about some like hipster with a curated.
Speaker 2: Yeah like.
Speaker 1: And then I you know, listen, these guys I bought
Speaker 1: a couple for It was a gift. I was trying
Speaker 1: to think of what what could I get for them
Speaker 1: that they would like the most.
Speaker 8: I think it's a great gift, very nice. Just never
Speaker 8: like the hat.
Speaker 3: We've always liked the hat. You're the one who had
Speaker 3: that hat problem.
Speaker 1: And they're wearing some bitch right now. Now. What I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna do? Yanni puts an elk Ivory up front.
Speaker 1: It's not I don't even have enough personality.
Speaker 2: I don't have any with an elk Ivory up there?
Speaker 2: You do, No, I don't.
Speaker 1: What do you have on yours?
Speaker 2: Nothing, But I will say I just have mind tied
Speaker 2: in the little bow, and I like, I don't have
Speaker 2: enough personality for the bow. Well no, but I like
Speaker 2: what you did because that bow has a hard time
Speaker 2: standing tied.
Speaker 7: Square not you've committed to never trying to cut.
Speaker 2: It and burned it.
Speaker 4: I did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well he made down.
Speaker 5: You just pull them down down?
Speaker 8: Do they go down without on time?
Speaker 5: Oh? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah?
Speaker 8: Huh did they do that on the wool on?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Why did I never know that?
Speaker 1: Like I could pull off a stormy chromer, no problem,
Speaker 1: case in point now with a bowl up front? No, no,
Speaker 1: I think you got me down.
Speaker 3: You're selling yourself short.
Speaker 1: You could bow, you got little bow peep.
Speaker 2: We did see a guy at the State Theater in Kalams,
Speaker 2: Michigan that I think had a pair of uh wild
Speaker 2: pig tusks tied into his That's a lot of personality
Speaker 2: that is.
Speaker 1: I don't have that kind of personality.
Speaker 2: But I liked it.
Speaker 3: When I saw I was like, that's why did Steve
Speaker 3: think you had? What do you think you had?
Speaker 1: You don't have elk Ivory's tied up on top of yours.
Speaker 5: He does.
Speaker 2: I don't want to lose my ivories, my orange.
Speaker 4: Never wear a hat that has more personality than you do.
Speaker 1: Never wear hat says hello before you do. That's right,
Speaker 1: like fatherlike son.
Speaker 8: And I need an orange one mine's faded.
Speaker 2: Okay, we've gone long enough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people were bored by this.
Speaker 2: What do we have to do now? We just have
Speaker 2: to eat dinner and get ready to go fish again.
Speaker 8: Huh, hopefully clean some salmon.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the water's laid down. Things look good. We got
Speaker 1: some bad weather coming in. We got some good weather
Speaker 1: coming up.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And our crazy little kids going out to the float
Speaker 2: and are swimming.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're always doing that.
Speaker 3: It's not even yeah, should that's something I worry about.
Speaker 1: Risk eighty of Mountain one canoe.
Speaker 7: I can't believe your kids do that.
Speaker 2: All right, Thank you everybody, thanks for listening.