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Speaker 1: T E dot com. Welcome everybody, thanks for joining. You'll

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Speaker 1: notice something new. My son Jimmy has been on the

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Speaker 1: show before, but he's never he's always had that camera.

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Speaker 1: You were on the show here and the camera was

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Speaker 1: behind your head. Yeah, because we had a prohibition on

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Speaker 1: you seeing your cute little face on screen. But then

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Speaker 1: you hit fifteen years of age, the arbitrary number. You

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Speaker 1: have a learner's permit. What else happened?

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Speaker 2: You have something changed in the mind of his parents.

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Speaker 1: Yep, Well he got to that age.

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Speaker 3: Well that's not totally what happened.

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Speaker 1: Oh did you tell me what happened?

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Speaker 3: Well, Jimmy was he went on a hunt with you

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Speaker 3: and you were going to share a picture of his hunt,

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Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden and I was cool

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Speaker 3: like a public Instagram account.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I decided that his age. Remember that remembers

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Speaker 1: that joke, the punchline to the joke I said, I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you the punchline when you get a learner's permit. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: just because that felt like once you have a learners permit.

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Speaker 1: So he got his learn he's just got his learners permit.

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Speaker 1: He's fifteen, and now he can now when he's on

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Speaker 1: the show, he could people can see what the kid

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Speaker 1: looks like.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: The only thing that happens he got taller.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't like a decision. We didn't like discuss like

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Speaker 3: now is the time and this is okay, it's sort of.

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Speaker 3: It caught me unawares a bit too when that happened.

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Speaker 1: Just before being I can hide under a rock.

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Speaker 3: No, he can't. But the other two kids, so you're

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Speaker 3: do you think the other two kids when they turn

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Speaker 3: fifteen will like, that's the age that's when they can

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Speaker 3: have Instagram accounts.

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Speaker 4: Not Rosie, not the girl. No, no, okay, that's not happening.

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Speaker 1: The other boy, girl, the other boy. Sure, uh so

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Speaker 1: Jimmy's here.

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Speaker 5: This is this.

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Speaker 1: He's been on the show. How many times you've been

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Speaker 1: on the show, Buddy.

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Speaker 4: Hey kids Trivia?

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Speaker 6: Once and then I did one podcast in Wisconsin, and

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Speaker 6: then I did one Alaska, and then this isn't so.

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Speaker 1: Oh he's been on the show all the time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, none other times regular four.

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Speaker 1: Jimmy just caught it. Jimmy just caught a nice fish.

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Speaker 1: This spring, jim me and I were out fishing and

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Speaker 1: the water talk to me. The what's that Steve's big butthole?

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Speaker 1: The water talked to me and we pulled in and

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Speaker 1: I said, this is where the water talked to me.

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Speaker 6: Caught a sixty five pound holdn mm hmm.

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Speaker 5: What did the water? What did the water say when.

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Speaker 2: It talked to you?

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Speaker 1: It said, come fish.

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Speaker 7: Here, Steve, Fish fish, Steve, fish Steve.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't sound like the voice of Steve's Big buttle Well,

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Speaker 1: seth as a neighbor. Oh, it's annoying. Uh, I'll just

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Speaker 1: paid off, just paid off because people I had bought that.

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Speaker 7: I was unsure about length, so I got two different

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Speaker 8: Well, I got two different lengths.

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Speaker 1: Well, it will always put them to use. Yeah, Yannis here,

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Speaker 1: this morning. He got circumspect about it. Is that? Is

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Speaker 1: just can't picture the chap ass.

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Speaker 2: Squirrels nut butter.

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Speaker 2: Any some vasoline would probably working. Then it seems like

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Speaker 8: To two hours, are you are you carrying it with you?

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Speaker 2: Traveling with my crew?

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Speaker 1: Thirty three hours of running, running, and hiking and chat

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Speaker 2: Uh, not that far into it mile thirty So I

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Speaker 1: You know, chap asses, young Jimmy.

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Speaker 6: I can take a wild guess, picture your button.

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Speaker 4: Okay, going like that?

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Speaker 3: Does that happen all the time while hunting?

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Speaker 1: No, what chapass comes from? Some guys sweaty, Some people

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Speaker 1: Had chap ass? I wouldn't say I have debilitating chap ass.

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Speaker 1: And I only get chap ass in hot climates.

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Speaker 5: Be honest.

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Speaker 7: Is it a common enough thing that you would like

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Speaker 2: You go both depending on what you know. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: And it never happened to you, never, not even.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and hold I got hung up on So one

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Speaker 1: of them hangs down a little bit, Yeah, and that

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Speaker 2: Well I think it's chafing on the fabric.

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Speaker 1: But one is in his body's not. Yeah, yeah, Jimmy,

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Speaker 1: like this rubbing your undies and his body.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is not. It's sitting high enough something something's different, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, wouldn't like like sport underwear change that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And honestly sometimes I try to like jack everything

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Speaker 2: You know it's some other race and uh, I think

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Speaker 8: What takes them out? Blisters, chap ass.

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Speaker 2: Definitely those two things could.

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Speaker 3: You know what is you're going to talk about? Who

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Speaker 3: gets terrible? Chap ass.

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Speaker 1: No, no a thing that where guys going through the

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Speaker 1: buds program. Oh yeah, the sand, the sand in your

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Speaker 1: all those hours and days wet sand packed up in there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're like they go running for hours on

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Speaker 1: So yeah, it's thinking of that. It always seems miserable.

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Speaker 1: I never pictured what.

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Speaker 3: You're I have a lot of friends that just like

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Speaker 3: summertime and their thighs.

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Speaker 2: Women, Yeah, women deal with this.

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Speaker 3: It's not chap ass.

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Speaker 2: It's like chap thigh, chap thigh.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's lots of different products for it.

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Speaker 1: And from when your thighs are rubbing on the inside.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like just walking inches apart.

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Speaker 1: Well I just can't picture my thighs.

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Speaker 5: You don't have like linebacker thighs.

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Speaker 2: You just like, no, you don't have that high ass

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Speaker 1: if I was gonna do it, i'd have to just

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Speaker 1: do it. And if I was gonna but I'm not

445
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Speaker 1: gonna quit doing all the stuff I think about in

446
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Speaker 1: order to accommodate that, because for a while, that's all

447
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Speaker 1: he that's all he had room to think about.

448
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Speaker 3: Is that true?

449
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:46,160
Speaker 1: Like free time?

450
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Speaker 2: I mean, you definitely spend a lot of time running

451
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Speaker 2: in preparation.

452
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Speaker 1: But eat dinner and then go run for two three hours?

453
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Speaker 1: Was that dinner and I go fidle around my garage

454
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 1: for men?

455
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Speaker 5: Yeah?

456
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Speaker 3: But was that like a good thing? Were you like

457
00:22:58,240 --> 00:22:59,159
Speaker 3: stoked to be doing that?

458
00:22:59,280 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 5: Oh?

459
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 2: Yeah? I enjoyed the process.

460
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 1: Yeah?

461
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Speaker 5: Sure? Did you keep track of your training miles? Like

462
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Speaker 5: how many miles?

463
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Speaker 3: You know?

464
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,399
Speaker 2: I have an app that the coach and I, you know,

465
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 2: work through together, and it you know, mostly I run

466
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 2: with the watch on and so yeah, but I can't

467
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Speaker 2: tell you off the top of my head how many

468
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 2: miles I ran in preparation.

469
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Speaker 1: Gotcha tell me about the minute you knew you were

470
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Speaker 1: going to make it.

471
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Speaker 2: Well, so I went through miles seventy five to ninety

472
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Speaker 2: and I haven't unfortunately, prior to this recording, I haven't

473
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Speaker 2: had a chance to have a good sit down with

474
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Speaker 2: Steven to be like, okay, tell me what you saw

475
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,639
Speaker 2: from the outside, like he in short, he's been like,

476
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Speaker 2: I think you did really good. I think you pushed it.

477
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Speaker 2: You didn't you weren't like being a little baby out

478
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Speaker 2: there and whatever. But it was tough, and like I said,

479
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Speaker 2: I went through a place of just being like, man like,

480
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,719
Speaker 2: I'm like losing time and people start passing you, and

481
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 2: you're just like, why can't I run? Why can't I run?

482
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 2: But we finally roll into roughly mile ninety ninety two.

483
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Speaker 2: I think where Mark Kanyon was going to start me.

484
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 2: And what does he get the closer?

485
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 5: Huh?

486
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 1: He got the closer? Well, there was two short.

487
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 2: You could have. They basically there's kind of a bunch

488
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 2: of rules, like you can't have more than one pac

489
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 2: or prior to that, but that last section, what do they.

490
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 1: Feel, what do they feel? What's the difference? Is just

491
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 1: trying to police the area, and.

492
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a little bit of that, Like it's all

493
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 2: under four service permits, right, so they have to watch

494
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,159
Speaker 2: how many people are kind of using the for service

495
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,360
Speaker 2: during the race and all that. But yeah, I don't

496
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 2: know exactly why, but yeah, it's probably a lot of

497
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 2: it is just to keep the numbers of people down.

498
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,920
Speaker 2: But anyways, we roll in there and it's whatever. I've

499
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 2: got eight miles to go and it's probably one one

500
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Speaker 2: in the afternoon. Just send you roll in where into

501
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 2: the into the last aid station. It's called hunting camp

502
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 2: and then it is a legit hunting camp and an

503
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 2: outfit uses but it's set up as an aid station

504
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 2: so you basically come out of the mountains finally. And

505
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 2: the last eight miles is on a dirt road that's

506
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 2: ever so slightly going downhill. You hit pavement and there's

507
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,160
Speaker 2: this little micro climb that I'm sure for some people

508
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 2: seem like a lot, but it's like one hundred yards

509
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 2: and it just barely climbs, and then you pull off

510
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 2: the pavement onto another ranch and you've got I don't

511
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 2: know three hundred yards to the finish line.

512
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Speaker 1: Oh sorry, we had a little mishap. The generator ran

513
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Speaker 1: out of gas. So if there's a rough edit, that's

514
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Speaker 1: what happened. Trying to remember where we were, Uh.

515
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Speaker 5: He was.

516
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 1: Station. Yeah, yeah, don't be asking me no questions.

517
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Speaker 8: Well, what you got to explain that?

518
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 7: Like why he got to finish white tail hunting questions

519
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:46,719
Speaker 7: or like how you feeling?

520
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 2: Questions any because I don't want to talk because you're

521
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 2: out of like at that point, the human runner is

522
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 2: out of energy to waste any energy, so you wanted

523
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 2: him to talk at you. But yeah, entertained my brain

524
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 2: and uh. He was actually really surprised how much I retained.

525
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 2: Later he was like quizzing me about what I what

526
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 2: we had talked about.

527
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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, yeah, what was he telling you about?

528
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 2: Well, you know, Mark, he says you're a bookworm. So

529
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 2: he gave me like three book reports, and then he

530
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 2: told me about the book that he's you know, pretty

531
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 2: much finished writing is at the editor now, the first

532
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 2: first version. But I can't remember what else. We definitely

533
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:29,719
Speaker 2: talked about some deer, so he was just fill in

534
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 2: space with good use for me.

535
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Speaker 9: At that point in time. Are you able to like

536
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Speaker 9: if he said something funny, are you able to laugh?

537
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 5: Oh?

538
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure. Well it was funny.

539
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: Is that worked to put a piece of surrand wrapped

540
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: between your butt cheeks?

541
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Speaker 8: I think?

542
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 2: But a slick thing because this is something that people

543
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 2: don't think about, is that if you're not ready when

544
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 2: you're applying it, you know, it's just your fingers and

545
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 2: then you're not out there exactly with a hand washing station.

546
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 7: Well that's what I wanted to get back to, like

547
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 7: the whole like uh sanitization.

548
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, So I would come into the eighth

549
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 2: station and high five everybody and the I'm like, now

550
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 2: that we've done that, you guys all want to sanitize

551
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 2: your hands.

552
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: Because I've had my finger and my buttets.

553
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 2: Yeah.

554
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know one of the funniest things that just

555
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: get back to the race. But we're you know that

556
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 1: that dental floss called Glide. I remember we were talking

557
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: about that and my brother Danny was giving it a

558
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:31,400
Speaker 1: bad review.

559
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it doesn't glide.

560
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: He said it was He said it's like wiping your

561
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 1: ass with saran wrap, which I always thought was a

562
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 1: great visual. That Glide stuff like it doesn't get the

563
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: gunk out.

564
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:44,479
Speaker 2: No.

565
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 3: I think it depends on how close your teeth are together.

566
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 2: That's true, because.

567
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: People it's a little too thick. So Mark's talking all

568
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 1: about these books.

569
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's telling me about books. What's funny is that

570
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 2: right there leaving you got to climb up this little hill.

571
00:27:59,320 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 5: I forgot.

572
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,919
Speaker 2: It's a little bit of a bigger hill, and I

573
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 2: was just gonna walk up it. But Jennifer's like, they're

574
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 2: there at the AID station. But they're like, but we

575
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 2: made another a station at the trucks at the top

576
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Speaker 2: of the hill. And I when I when she says

577
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 2: that to me, I'm like, why did you make an

578
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 2: AID station, Like on top of another hill? You're gonna

579
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,360
Speaker 2: ask me to at this point walk up like a

580
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 2: bonus hill, because to me, it sounded like, oh, we're

581
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 2: gonna take you off of the trail up some hill

582
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 2: to where the cars are, where we have this nice

583
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 2: AID station and then you can come back. I'm like,

584
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 2: I'm not going up some hill. And she's like, look

585
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 2: at me, like, what are you talking about? Like right

586
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 2: there where everybody else has to go, We're like right

587
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 2: off the side of the road. And then I understood. Anyways,

588
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 2: we get up there and two things happened. One, you're

589
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 2: out of the mountains, so you're off of the crazy mountains.

590
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 2: The trails are extremely rough, like there's a lot of

591
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 2: trails that they there are signs that stay like do

592
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 2: not take equestrian animals on these trails because they're just

593
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 2: so loose and on many just little rocks. And when

594
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 2: you're twenty miles in or even you know, thirty forty,

595
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 2: you're just like, dude, just kind of hopping and skipping

596
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 2: through them and it's no big deal. But when it

597
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 2: gets themhile eighty and your brain is like looking at

598
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 2: just this like trail full of rocks, and it's just

599
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 2: like your brain's like, we don't want to contend with

600
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 2: that anymore.

601
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 8: One like one bad step ends the race.

602
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 2: Right, well that could be too, but you're just having

603
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 2: to work for every step, you know. And uh, Like

604
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: it got to the point where you could see like

605
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 2: people were actually running in the grass, cause just like

606
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 2: running even through those like Bunchie grass, which no man,

607
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 2: everyone wants to hike and bunch grass when you could

608
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 2: be on a trail, but people were like purposely you

609
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 2: could see where they'd been running in the grass. So

610
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 2: you're over the rocks. And this is something I had

611
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 2: heard is that people say, yeah, once you get down

612
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 2: to that road, your body, your legs, your brain is like, oh,

613
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 2: you can run because you don't have to think about it.

614
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 2: You can just go. And so there's that. And then

615
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 2: Stephen also gave me a couple of tile and all,

616
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 2: and I'm like, telling all, I'm like, I'm not really hurting.

617
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 2: He's like, it'll be good, trust me. And I almost

618
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 2: didn't take it because I'm thinking, like, oh, I'm gonna

619
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 2: take these two tilenol and then the nausea and then

620
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 2: these two things in my stomach that I'm not really

621
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 2: prepared for and it's not gonna be good. And he's like, no,

622
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 2: I think you should take it. So we start walking

623
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 2: and I give him up mark my speech. I'm like,

624
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 2: we're gonna just like we'll run a little bit, like

625
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 2: we might run to that next tree and then we'll

626
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 2: walk and then we'll run and we'll just kind of

627
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 2: feel it out and see how it goes well. We

628
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 2: start running and I'm like, uh, this feels pretty good.

629
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Speaker 2: And then my buddy Cooper comes by and he's jamming

630
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 2: some wu tang in the truck like super loud, and

631
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 2: I kind of get that and a little head bob

632
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 2: going and I'm like, oh okay, and we start clipping

633
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 2: and we've been passed by two groups, but they're like

634
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 2: maybe three four hundred yards out ahead of me. And

635
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, I'm like, Mark, we're gonna take

636
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 2: them down. And when we go buy him, we're not

637
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 2: stopping and we're just gonna keep going. And the next

638
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 2: thing I know, we knocked out those eight miles in

639
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 2: like I don't know, it felt like ninety minutes or less,

640
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 2: like we zoomed and like I felt great, Like by

641
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 2: the time everybody caught up to me that was racing

642
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 2: up basically passing us to get to the finish line

643
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 2: to be there, like they're like looking at us like whoa, yeah,

644
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 2: let's go, because we were like actually running. We almost

645
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 2: caught another group. We bumped them. It's the funny thing

646
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 2: that Steven says, just like how you bump animals sometimes

647
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 2: and then they.

648
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: Start to see you coming.

649
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well we bumped these this pack of three

650
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 2: pack of girls, and I was closing in good, like

651
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 2: I made it to like one hundred and fifty yards

652
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 2: probably and then all because they were doing the same

653
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 2: thing that I had. They were like, we're gonna run

654
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 2: and then walk, run and then walk, and we're to

655
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 2: take that all the way to the finish. But once

656
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 2: I bumped them, they went running all all the way.

657
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 3: And so that was like a combo of the Wu tang,

658
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 3: the til.

659
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 2: And all and the road.

660
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 7: Did you feel the talent all hit your system or

661
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 7: you just felt you just.

662
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 2: Felt you know, I sure wish I would have taken

663
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 2: the tile and all like a mile eighty I guarantee

664
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 2: you I will have some with me. Yeah, next time

665
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 2: I would get to eighty mile.

666
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 3: That is the anti inflammatory one, right, A state of

667
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 3: menifin is anti inflammatory. Yeah, so I'm sure it just

668
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 3: like maybe calmed your body down with it. Huh.

669
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 2: Could be a lot of different a lot of different things. Again,

670
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 2: when your body's at that point, you don't know how

671
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 2: that stuff's affecting, right, So.

672
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: This is this is something you're gonna start doing.

673
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 2: Uh, maybe you know that if there was no kids

674
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,959
Speaker 2: at home, it was just Jennifer and I, Yeah, I'd

675
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 2: probably do a whole bunch.

676
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: But it takes a bunch.

677
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 2: It takes time, yeah, because the thing that even like

678
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 2: within the maybe the first day after, probably on Sunday,

679
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 2: I didn't do too much time rethinking about the race

680
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 2: because you're just kind of in this euphoric state where

681
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 2: you're like, yeah, I'm a little beat up, and I'm

682
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 2: definitely fatigued and tired. And I had what I described

683
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 2: as a very lounge lizard day where I would sort

684
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 2: of like go from bed into the kitchen like eat

685
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 2: as much as I could possibly could until I kind

686
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 2: of lost energy, and then I would sort of like

687
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 2: slump down and I would either make it to just

688
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 2: the carpet or maybe I would make it to the

689
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 2: couch or back to the bed. And I just did

690
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 2: that rotation all day long. You know, obviously there's like

691
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 2: a bathroom break in there too, but like you're not

692
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 2: going anywhere. I forced myself to walk to the barn

693
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 2: and back one time, just like move my legs. But

694
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 2: by the next day you're like, oh, how could I

695
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,959
Speaker 2: have done it better? Where did I mess up? What

696
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 2: were my mistakes?

697
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 5: Was it?

698
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 2: Could I have taken talent a mile seventy? Could I

699
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 2: have done more coke? Could I have just pushed a

700
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 2: little bit harder. Was I being a little baby? There?

701
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 2: I have done it?

702
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 3: Did you just say? Could I have done more coke?

703
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 2: I drank more coke?

704
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: You'll set a lot like coming off a five six

705
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: hour hall of It jig. Yeah, you know the outstairs

706
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: Like I've been there, you're out there. I mean you

707
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: just trying to get through. Yeah, six hours jig.

708
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 5: It's tough.

709
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 2: Sometimes, Well it's amazing.

710
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: How at night you're like, how could we have done better?

711
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 2: Yeah? How Like I'm like, if Stephen wasn't here, I

712
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 2: would just d n F right now, you know, Like

713
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 2: I had thoughts like that come through. I did not

714
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 2: finish when you just pull yourself out, but like I

715
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 2: don't dig you to quit. Well, that again, that's because

716
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 2: that's something that I wanted too much into it. That's

717
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 2: something that I would like to explore. I don't know

718
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 2: if it'll be the next one I do, but I

719
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 2: will know I would definitely I will definitely do one solo. Oh,

720
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 2: because I think it's a whole different mindset.

721
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 3: What was the like, what was the inspiration to do

722
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 3: in the first place? Like when did you first say,

723
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 3: because it's been like a long held like desire and goal,

724
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 3: I'm going to run one hundred miles one day.

725
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 2: No, Honestly, when I moved to Bozeman, I had done

726
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 2: a couple of Veil trail half marathons at that point,

727
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 2: maybe three. It was like we had like race series

728
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 2: and where Brody and I lived in Veil and I

729
00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 2: would do a couple of trail runs and all all

730
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 2: that stuf. I've started really just to be in shape

731
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 2: for September so I could feel like I could go

732
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 2: uphill and you know, get to the ridge before the

733
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 2: elk did. And then when I got to Bowls, when

734
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 2: I heard about this Bridger Ridge run, it's like nineteen

735
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:13,760
Speaker 2: twenty miles, I'm like, oh, that looks like a sweet

736
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 2: place to do a run. So I did that. And

737
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 2: then Rick Smith used to always talk about the rut

738
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 2: and he and I would like look at it online

739
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 2: and be like that's insane. And then someone's like, oh, no,

740
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 2: you could do it. I'm like, oh, maybe I could.

741
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,439
Speaker 2: So I got a coach and they're like, oh, yeah,

742
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 2: well we can get you ready for that thirty one

743
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 2: miles in the mountains, no problem. So I did that,

744
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 2: and it's just like sort of every distance I've done,

745
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I wonder if I could go a

746
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 2: little bit farther. Going from twenty to thirty no big deal.

747
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 2: Thirty to fifty was really I wouldn't say that big

748
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 2: of a deal, very doable, but fifty to one hundred was.

749
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 5: It was a leap.

750
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 3: Wow.

751
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,399
Speaker 9: So now when you look at the rut, are you like, ah,

752
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 9: that's that's copcakes.

753
00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, because you're gonna no matter what the distance,

754
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 2: what the distance is or the amount of elevation gain

755
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 2: the race has your brain, your body is going to

756
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 2: go at a certain effort level to do that race.

757
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 2: Like I did a I think it was a twenty

758
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 2: five k in Helena in the spring, and it took me,

759
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 2: I don't know, three hours something, and like I ran

760
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 2: way faster, and but I still exerted a bunch of energy.

761
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 2: And by the time you get done with it, you're like, oh,

762
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 2: you know, and you're you're done right. You need a

763
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 2: day off, And so I think you just you know,

764
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 2: you sort of just pace yourself to whatever distance it is. So, yeah,

765
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 2: can I finish it easily? Sure? Yeah, I could go

766
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 2: do the Reugh fifty k without any kind of problems.

767
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,240
Speaker 2: But again, do I want to like beat my last

768
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 2: time that I did it? Probably?

769
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 3: You know, Rosie and I are doing the eleven k

770
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 3: right right, and that is more ks than I have

771
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 3: ever run in my life. I'm really nervous. Hole.

772
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 2: Ye you're that's like probably six and a half seven

773
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 2: like that.

774
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:07,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I've never run that much in one fell swoop.

775
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 4: Ever.

776
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:09,919
Speaker 2: It's going to be great, is it?

777
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: I think so?

778
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 3: I mean, certainly having people in my life that can

779
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 3: run one hundred miles and I can talk about it

780
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 3: and how cool it is. It's very inspiring for something

781
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 3: like that.

782
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 7: But oh yeah, it kind of like it's inspiring, but

783
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 7: it all so like when I'm out running, it kind

784
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 7: of makes me angry that is out there running one

785
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 7: hundred miles.

786
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,399
Speaker 1: The opposite. Yeah, he does the opposite of pump you up.

787
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 8: Nice, Like I'm out running five miles and I'm like five.

788
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 3: Miles is not a short run, and you're doing that

789
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 3: multiple times a week, Like that's awesome.

790
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 7: But it's like because I'm old and I want to

791
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 7: keep hunting when i'm old, that's right, Yeah, it's not

792
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 7: because I want.

793
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 3: To Well you're not old, but I understand what you're

794
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 3: saying you're trying to keep in shape, and yeah, but.

795
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 2: This this guy that we clear trail with, Jimy's got

796
00:37:58,200 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 2: a question shake.

797
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 4: No, just saying you gotta start running.

798
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 2: He he he said it right, and like it's stuck

799
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,879
Speaker 2: with me in a time. But in miles seventy five

800
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 2: or eighty, it really rang true where he's like, yeah,

801
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 2: the first fifty, he's like, it's kind of fun. He's like,

802
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 2: the second fifty you find out what you're made out of.

803
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 2: And it's like, you can't really say it any better

804
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 2: than that, because that second fifty, it's like the first

805
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 2: fifties just kind of like the price of admission to

806
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 2: get to see what's going to happen in the second fifty,

807
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 2: you know, because you can't. You're not gonna know one

808
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 2: without the other.

809
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, like I'm just here to see what

810
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: happens later.

811
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 2: Yeah you are. You're like sceneries great, Like we're in

812
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:39,720
Speaker 2: the mountains.

813
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: I know, I got this one. I got the first fifty.

814
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 2: It's a beautiful long day in the mountains. I had

815
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 2: this crazy guy run up to me like I hadn't

816
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 2: been done, I had crossed the finish line, hugged everybody

817
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 2: that was there helping me and the other friends that

818
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 2: had ran it. This other guy, Stephen Graham, who I

819
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 2: kind of know a run into him a few times

820
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 2: on the trails round Bowman. He runs up to me

821
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 2: and he's like, what did you think about that crazy

822
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 2: ridge around Honey Trail? When I'm up there, I just

823
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 2: feel like I'm following a wounded bull elk And I'm

824
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 2: just like, what, dude, what are you talking about? And

825
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 2: then he's like, yeah, you know, you're just on that

826
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 2: like kind of slopey rolling hill and there's really no

827
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,280
Speaker 2: trail and it kind of just keeps going and going

828
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 2: and going. And I'm like, oh, yeah, I kind of

829
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 2: see what you're saying. Like like he just like that's

830
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,280
Speaker 2: what is in his mind because it's not a great trail.

831
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 2: There's just these flags like on this like bunch grass hillside,

832
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 2: and it's just like this kind of like you're like,

833
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 2: why is the trail here? So it's like a like

834
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 2: a like a trail wounded bull elk would take where

835
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 2: you're just like there's no rhyme or reason. He's just

836
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 2: sort of like traveling here. And but that guy had

837
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 2: way too much energy. Well I'll leave it with this.

838
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 2: It's amazing how at like ninety you're like, I'm gonna

839
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 2: die up here. Yeah, you know, I might lay down

840
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 2: and the crows will just pick my eyes out. And

841
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 2: then you get done and you give a you hogs

842
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,399
Speaker 2: around and everybody's like, sit down, what can we get

843
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 2: for you? And all of a sudden you're like, oh no,

844
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 2: I feel pretty good now that that's behind me. Like

845
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,760
Speaker 2: I'm cool to hang out and like let's watch everybody

846
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 2: else finish and clap and and like all a sudden,

847
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 2: your brain is just like, oh, that's behind us, so

848
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 2: you can like enjoy yourself again.

849
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:19,720
Speaker 5: Yeah.

850
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 3: Man, that's so cool that you did that. I just

851
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 3: I can't even. It's like very hard to imagine running.

852
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: This giant candy sack. Come when the generator went down?

853
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just appeared.

854
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, it would you like it to go away?

855
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 1: Oh, it's just like a little bit of continuity'd be appreciated.

856
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 1: I mean, Phil, no amount of magical Phil. If Phil

857
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: cleaned up, sorry Phil, Phil clean it feels like no problem,

858
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 1: I got the whole thing cleaned up. It'd be like,

859
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, And it's also be like.

860
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 2: I was trying to address it when we when we

861
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 2: started recording again, and I was saying that we're kind

862
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 2: of like some long distance runners that basically at some

863
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 2: point you just turned to eating a lot of sugar.

864
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: So hopefully Phil, no, well he'll know there's no point

865
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 1: in trying to clean up the edit.

866
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 5: Nope, don't do it.

867
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: Phil.

868
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 4: Can we combine these bags or do you want to

869
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 4: just keep.

870
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,240
Speaker 1: Separate candy management here? Yeah, it's like a Halloween.

871
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 4: I should bring us home and give it.

872
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: Congratulations? Man, thanks?

873
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks?

874
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: Oh I thought that was cool. Speaking of doing crazy,

875
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: it's a cool it's a good feat. It's like a

876
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: you know, it was a real accomplishment.

877
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 2: Man, it is no. No, I I one hundred percent

878
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 2: feel that way. I'm very My goal was number. First

879
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 2: goal was to finish, and I always say finished the

880
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 2: smile on my face, which I did. Second goal was

881
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 2: to go thirty hours. I did it thirty three. It

882
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 2: was a lofty goal. I said. I think I could

883
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 2: go back now with experience probably pull that off. But uh, yeah,

884
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 2: I'm very happy. It's It's like there was at times

885
00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 2: I'm like, eh, did I do it? Did I do

886
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 2: it well enough? And multiple people have reached out and

887
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 2: been like, look, dude, that's like one of the hardest

888
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 2: ones in the country. It's a lot of elevation, like

889
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 2: those trails I was talking about earlier where the footing

890
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 2: just stinks for mile after mile after a mile after

891
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 2: a mile, and so they're like, look as your first attempt,

892
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:23,280
Speaker 2: your debut, one hundred, great job, you know, so I'm pumped.

893
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 2: I got my belt buckle.

894
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 5: I've been.

895
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: Right now.

896
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 3: Do you get a belt buckle for like everyone.

897
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 2: Or every hundred? It's like whatever. I don't know where

898
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 2: it came from. I should look that up. But it's

899
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:38,240
Speaker 2: like a thing.

900
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: Like they stole like Rodeos groove. Yeah, that's not very nice.

901
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: I want to their own thing, like a headband.

902
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 9: So you gonna you gotta start dressing like a little

903
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 9: western just so you can show off.

904
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, why not just give me like a like a headband.

905
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 7: You should be giving out like halibut belt buckles up here.

906
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 1: That'd be a sweet belt box. Actually, I don't wear

907
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:00,919
Speaker 1: any kind of but I wear a belt. My belt

908
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 1: has no metal on it.

909
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 8: I've never owned a belt.

910
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: I wear all it's all fabric bell crow belt.

911
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 2: I used to rock a.

912
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 3: Belt buckle back in the day, you don't anymore.

913
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 2: You had that fancy belt doesn't keep your fly closed.

914
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: No, I never sit that up. You know what. Well,

915
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: when I'm wearing my bibs. When I'm wearing my bibs,

916
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: I can wear my bibs all day. I leave that down.

917
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: So I got coverage elsewhere totally.

918
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was actually running that program today too. But

919
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,399
Speaker 2: speaking of doing kind of hard crazy stuff, we really

920
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,879
Speaker 2: haven't gotten to sit down and chat about Africa at all.

921
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: No, you and I have nothing. I've been chatting about

922
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: it a lot. Yeah, but I wouldn't call it like

923
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: it's not it's not it's yeah, I wouldn't say hard

924
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: and crazy.

925
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 2: I mean, but like you, we were just talking when

926
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 2: we weren't recording about how another American has been.

927
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: Killed two guys this year.

928
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 2: Two guys have keep being killed this year hunting Black Death.

929
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 1: I didn't know that till uh that's the name. That's

930
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: the nickname for the KPE Buffalo Black.

931
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:00,080
Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, I knew it.

932
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, two yeah, two Americans killed. The guy just got killed. Now,

933
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 1: so we're just debating, like how bad do you feel?

934
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: Like it's too bad? But part of the allure is

935
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: it you're hunting a thing that gets you. That's what's

936
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 1: so that's what like, it's so enticing about it, so,

937
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 1: you know.

938
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,439
Speaker 2: Because otherwise it's kind of like you're hunting a cow.

939
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I had friends that pushed it too long

940
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: and mountaineering and they anywhere that was going.

941
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 7: But it's part of that animal is part of the

942
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 7: Big Five and all, like the reason they're called Big

943
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 7: five is because they're all dangerous.

944
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: You know what I didn't you know, I didn't know

945
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: you know when people say planes game, Yeah, I was like, well,

946
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 1: what's not planes game? The only thing not planes game

947
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: is dangerous game. I thought there was like like another category,

948
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: it's dangerous game planes game?

949
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,879
Speaker 4: What about like waterfowl?

950
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: Is that just oh no, no in Africa hunting, well don't

951
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: they have Yeah, that would be just a whole different

952
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: cat on. But people say like planes game and you're like, okay,

953
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 1: what is not that? And what's not that is dangerous game? Yeah?

954
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 1: It's like it's like being around uh like in the end,

955
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: we had like nothing happened, you know, I mean we

956
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: killed the bull and watched it kill the bull wash.

957
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's what I want to know about is

958
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 2: in that particular hunt, like when it finally went down,

959
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 2: were you scared?

960
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 1: No, not at all.

961
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 5: Never I was.

962
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 1: I wasn't. There was points where you're like, oh, I

963
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 1: see how this goes. You know, like you're in eight

964
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: foot high grass and they're right in front of you.

965
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: You can see the grass moving, you can hear and

966
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: see the birds, the oxpeckers that are on them all

967
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: the time. You can hear the oxpeckers and you see

968
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: them flitting around and they're just twenty yards. You know,

969
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 1: You're like, there's a two thousand pound thing twenty yards.

970
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: It has a reputation, right, But all they do is

971
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 1: they just want to They don't like, you know, they

972
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: smell you gone, but you're so you're aware. And then

973
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: we're at a spot where they're like, oh, yeah, this

974
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 1: is where Roger got you know, we went to the

975
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: spot and they're like, oh yeah, right here, this is

976
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: where Roger got. This is where Roger got plastered, and

977
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:17,399
Speaker 1: he got it like a.

978
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 2: Grizzly bear that ninety nine out of one hundred times

979
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 2: it smells you and runs and then but one percent

980
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 2: at a time it just is like, oh, I'm pissed

981
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 2: and I'm coming in after.

982
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 5: You, I said, a lot of time, it's when they're wounded.

983
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: It really is, like, that's what was unusual that there's

984
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: a guy from Texas just got killed and in the

985
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 1: article and the reporting for the articles pointed out was unwounded.

986
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: So these guys Morgan knows gout like the trackers. It's

987
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: it's just they're worried about the wounded ones. But what

988
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 1: was pointed out to me, it's interesting. It doesn't mean

989
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 1: it was wounded by you. This guy Roger got plastered

990
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: by one that had been wounded by a lion, right,

991
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: So it's or they get wounded by someone else yor

992
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: wounded for some other reason. And so there's just there's

993
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: a chance that out there are wounded ones. And so

994
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: there's also that you hit one, and then you got

995
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 1: to trail your wounded one. Yeah, and when you hit them,

996
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: they go into the thickest shit they can find, right,

997
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 1: and then you gotta go in. It's either on a

998
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: rot or you're gonna go in there and find them

999
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: and that's nerve racking. Or there's always a chance that

1000
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:28,399
Speaker 1: you're on one and he's something else wounded him. But

1001
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 1: the trackers are paying a lot of attention to how

1002
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 1: it behaves. That's just through conversation. They're when they're tracking,

1003
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: they're watching like it's something wrong with it. If they

1004
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 1: if they're on one it's dragging its foot, funny, not

1005
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: doing the right things in the right places, suggesting that

1006
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,399
Speaker 1: he's got a problem. Then they'll be like, heads up,

1007
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 1: we're following one that something's wrong.

1008
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 2: With So how did yours go down? Have you already

1009
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:58,240
Speaker 2: explained this in a different podcast?

1010
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: No, how did you know? We talked about a little bit.

1011
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 1: We we got on a group and tracked a group

1012
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: for a few hours, lost him, got back, got in

1013
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: a truck, went down the road a little ways and

1014
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: saw a bull, just caught a glimpse of a bull

1015
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: moving along. Got out and went down the road paralleling

1016
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: him and kept well. First we went off, tried to

1017
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: find him, parallettle while, looked for him, look for him,

1018
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,879
Speaker 1: looked for him, couldn't find him. Then we stopped. We're

1019
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 1: doing that little thing like like we lost him, you know,

1020
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 1: standing there. Uh, it was very late in the day.

1021
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 1: They they cut where we ducked in at one point

1022
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 1: and cut a track and saw that he'd already come through.

1023
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: Like we're like, we're like, we know he's going along

1024
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 1: in a line. So we kind of paralleled along seventy

1025
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 1: five yards off and at one point cut over to

1026
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,919
Speaker 1: intersect his line to see like had he been through

1027
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: or not yet, and realized, oh, he'd already passed through.

1028
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 1: So now we kind of went and cut thinking we

1029
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 1: were going to maybe be in front of him, but

1030
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:13,879
Speaker 1: they hit the track and like, no, he's already been

1031
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: through here, so he backed out paralleled more and then

1032
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: just nothing was like seeing nothing, hear nothing. And then

1033
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 1: we're doing that little stand around thing you do, like

1034
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: when you kind of are regrouping, and all sudden heard

1035
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: like a twig and everybody also like like well the

1036
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: twig went snap, and everybody did that like like I

1037
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 1: just heard something, and and all of a sudden, like

1038
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,959
Speaker 1: everybody stared in the same spot, and all of a sudden,

1039
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: there it's just like there's like he's out, and also

1040
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: there's his head peering how far down through the seventy

1041
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 1: five yards his head peering down, and and that you

1042
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: could see him playing his day, and at that he

1043
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 1: kind of turned a little bit. Morgan's like see the

1044
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 1: see his chin go eight inches down and four or

1045
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: five inches over from his chin and hit him right there.

1046
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 2: Because you get like you can't so you shot him

1047
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 2: quording to well, I didn't do what he said.

1048
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: I was a little off, but it was like, all's well,

1049
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 1: that ends well because it was high but just went

1050
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: right into his chest cavity, so it kind of almost

1051
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:30,479
Speaker 1: went in like he's looking at you with his head down.

1052
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 1: Imagine that he's down like this. Imagine it entered kind

1053
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 1: of in your where your cheek meets your neck, but

1054
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 1: just you know, yeah, then I shot it that I

1055
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: then I tried to hit him two more times when

1056
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: he ram but missed him. For the trackers that were

1057
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 1: the skinners, they never found anything. I shot at him

1058
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:48,879
Speaker 1: two more times as he ran, but I don't think

1059
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 1: I connected on him, but the one was fatal.

1060
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 7: And the whole time you're following and tracking them, the

1061
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 7: most important thing is wind.

1062
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 1: Or yeah, but you like we did too long. We

1063
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 1: did two like long, like real active tracks following one

1064
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: like you get on them and you're hoping to you're

1065
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: tracking and the trackers know the behavior so well. But

1066
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 1: it may be kind of very similar like picture you

1067
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 1: found the elk in the snow. You get up a

1068
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: day break and he's out, like you know where he's

1069
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: not gonna be, Meaning if you're up on some big

1070
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 1: high plateau right blown off where he's feeding in the snow,

1071
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: it's like, now it's nine in the morning, I know

1072
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: where he's not gonna be. He's not gonna be here,

1073
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: He's gonna be up in that timber hole.

1074
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 5: Right.

1075
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 1: So you kind of got that right, and they know

1076
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: that it's different because it's more subtle, but they know

1077
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:54,320
Speaker 1: where he wants to be. So when you're going along

1078
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 1: sometimes you're like, he doesn't want to be here. And

1079
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: then you get to places where they become intensely interested.

1080
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: So you'll come in and just some little thing like

1081
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 1: like a thick timber patch and like a little depression,

1082
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: and what they'll know, like what's the sun gonna do?

1083
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 1: And how much? Because they want to be in the dark, dang,

1084
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: they want to lay down in the dark. They want

1085
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 1: to lay down where they can see out of their hole,

1086
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 1: and they're gonna be in like tucked in. So all

1087
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,359
Speaker 1: of sudden, too get where they just stopped, and they

1088
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 1: stare and stare and stare, and then they move five

1089
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 1: feet and stare and stare and stare, and then move

1090
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: over and stare and stare and stare because they're like,

1091
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:35,359
Speaker 1: I think he's in there. He's in that hole. Yeah,

1092
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 1: And then you look at it from every angle, and

1093
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: you look at it from every angle and you just

1094
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: can't find them. And eventually someone slips around and like

1095
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: he left, he's not in that patch, but he's still

1096
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:48,800
Speaker 1: not running.

1097
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 2: He never ran.

1098
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:50,439
Speaker 5: Is it over?

1099
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 8: If you bump them?

1100
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 1: Not necessarily we bumped them and went. We bumped one twice,

1101
00:52:56,200 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 1: so when you go, he's not there and he didn't run,

1102
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: then you keep on them. So one we get to

1103
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: the end. One the way it ended is all of

1104
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 1: a sudden, I'm from I don't know, man, not not me,

1105
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:16,360
Speaker 1: to that sink. But we're like in one of those patches,

1106
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: and they're just they're like, he's here. They just know.

1107
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 1: They're like he's here.

1108
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 7: And was that at all creepy?

1109
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: Like there's two of them and they're he's just here, yeah,

1110
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: And we're in there, and all of a sudden that's

1111
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, one gets I gather gets

1112
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: up out of its bed and I can just see

1113
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: half its face and one of its horns and the

1114
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 1: thing is that thing is not me to that sink.

1115
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 1: But it's just like right, all of a sudden, that

1116
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: was the first one I got a good look at.

1117
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: I got half his face in a horn and he's

1118
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 1: just there and it's like it didn't he had zero interest.

1119
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 1: All he wanted to do was slip out. But you're like, yeah,

1120
00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 1: I see now, do you know what I mean? Like they

1121
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 1: let you just get on them and sure at some

1122
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 1: point now and then you know, but he was nothing

1123
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:10,240
Speaker 1: like that. There was no all the all the tension,

1124
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 1: any tension that I felt, was all because all the stories.

1125
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 1: Do you follow me? All the stories? So it's like

1126
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: you're carrying all those tales, right because otherwise you'd be like,

1127
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 1: what do you like? What is the deal? It's some

1128
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: like giant.

1129
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:35,720
Speaker 7: Bovid looking thing and the trackers aren't throwing off any cues,

1130
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 7: Like you should be pretty scared right now, Like you're

1131
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 7: looking at the trackers and they're just cool as ice.

1132
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: R y know they do when when one comes, they're

1133
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 1: down flat on the ground. Dive out of the way,

1134
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:50,879
Speaker 1: but they're down and they want to be down where

1135
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: they can't get hooked back up and and Morgan, the

1136
00:54:55,600 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 1: professional hunter kept saying to the trackers. He's like them,

1137
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 1: don't worry about them, like they're that's my job, and

1138
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: they're gonna be very quickly. They're gonna very quickly go

1139
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 1: from being in front of me to be to be

1140
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 1: in mind because like he's to do with the gun,

1141
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: Like at the end of the day, he's the guy

1142
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 1: that's putting everybody in the situation, and so it's his

1143
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 1: job to draw the attention. So like your role as

1144
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 1: a professional hunter, your role is to all of a

1145
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 1: sudden be the menacing one. And he wants all eyes

1146
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: on him, Like he don't he don't get to dive down,

1147
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,439
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? He's got to stay

1148
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 1: on the ground, Like that's that's what you sign up for.

1149
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 1: You're like, there's it's just not part of the ethos,

1150
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: do you know. I mean, Like, if it comes, you're

1151
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 1: there and that's your thing. You don't get to flinch.

1152
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 1: You gotta go forward into it, and everybody else is

1153
00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 1: expected to like save themselves. He's like, don't do anything.

1154
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 1: He wouldn't even tell you, don't do anything that takes

1155
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 1: the attention for me, Like I'm the problem I'm the

1156
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 1: one up in his face, not you, you know, uh so no,

1157
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 1: like nothing like that like other stuff. You know, like

1158
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 1: we had a black we had a run and we

1159
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 1: talked about this bunch on the podcast, but previously we

1160
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: had a we had a not even a run it.

1161
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: We had an experience with a black mom. But and

1162
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 1: you're like, holy cow, Like I can so easily see

1163
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 1: how that goes Yeah, you're like, I can see how

1164
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: that happens with that, with my experience with Kate Buffalo,

1165
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have come away. Hadn't I had the background

1166
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 1: of reading and the stories, I wouldn't have come away

1167
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 1: and been like, I can see how that goes bad.

1168
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 3: I have I have a question, and it's this is

1169
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 3: not a this is not a passive aggressive nor aggressive

1170
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:57,720
Speaker 3: aggressive question, and it's for all of you guys that hunt,

1171
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 3: which is everyone here. Given how we started talking about

1172
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 3: this because of the two unfortunate guys who died hunting

1173
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 3: Kate Buffalo, and you were saying, well, you know, it's

1174
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:13,919
Speaker 3: kind of it's a part of hunting k Buffalo. That's

1175
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 3: a risk. So you can't really say, oh, it's you know,

1176
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 3: you can say that it's a bad thing that it happened,

1177
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 3: and it's sad that it happened, but you can't really

1178
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 3: say it was totally unexpected.

1179
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like it's kind of complicated. I don't want

1180
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 1: to sound.

1181
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 3: That's not my question though, Okay, oh sorry, that's okay.

1182
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 3: My question is knowing that, like if you on this

1183
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 3: hunt were to have expired because you got killed by

1184
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 3: a k buffalo, Like do you ever think some of

1185
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 3: the things that you're hunting, Like is it ever irresponsible

1186
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 3: to go on a hunt, given your family, given other

1187
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 3: responsibilities you have in the world, Like do you ever

1188
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 3: think about that before you pursue a certain animal.

1189
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 1: Or no, because none of it's like, none of it's

1190
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 1: none of it's like that.

1191
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 7: Also, I don't know that, and I don't want to

1192
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 7: speak for those guys, but I don't know that what

1193
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 7: in the long run that what Steve did hunting buffalo

1194
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 7: is any more dangerous than going fishing or like you

1195
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 7: name it, hunting grizzlies or like anything can get yeah, right.

1196
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 1: Hunting big fishing, big water in small boats. Yeah, but

1197
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 1: none of it rises up when I when I dudes

1198
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 1: that have families and die on K two that that

1199
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, it's kind of weird call. It's an

1200
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 1: odd call as a dad.

1201
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 10: But they'd probably say, because there's a death for every

1202
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 10: four summits true, yeah or whatever, right, I think it's

1203
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 10: a death for every four something Like I'm saying, there

1204
00:58:56,800 --> 00:59:00,919
Speaker 10: is a point there, there is a at which where

1205
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 10: there's a point where the risk is so high. And

1206
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 10: I don't condemn him, but there's a point where the

1207
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 10: risk is so high when a guy dies on K

1208
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 10: two and you don't need to go on K two.

1209
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 10: Like when a guy dies on K two and I

1210
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 10: see that he has a family, you know, I will

1211
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 10: think to myself, huh, that's like a strange call or

1212
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 10: call you.

1213
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 7: Made going base jumping or something like.

1214
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 1: I don't know enough about the statistics on it.

1215
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 7: Yeah, but I mean I would look at that, it's like, yeah,

1216
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 7: that'd be a response, like.

1217
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 1: An odd call. Yeah, when you have kids. Yeah, you know,

1218
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 1: one of the first, one of the first times I

1219
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 1: ever really stopped thinking about that thing, like like this

1220
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 1: kind they were talking about is Yannie and I had

1221
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 1: the good fortune and spend some time with Rourke Denver,

1222
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 1: who uh was a Navy seal was deployed overseas served

1223
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 1: in combat zones, combat veteran, and he would always use this.

1224
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 1: He had this like like a euphemism for death. You

1225
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 1: know what you would say, if I all, if I fall?

1226
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 1: And I remember him saying that he went to his

1227
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 1: mom to say, if I fall, and that was the term.

1228
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 1: That's the term you use, Uh, if I fall. I

1229
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 1: don't like, don't. I don't want you to be sad, Like,

1230
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:17,439
Speaker 1: don't be sad if I fall. And and I don't

1231
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 1: think that way, but I I it was funny to

1232
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 1: hear someone where, uh, someone in a certain occupation who

1233
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 1: had been to such high risk environments. That got to

1234
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 1: the point where that's how you think about it, m hm,

1235
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 1: that it's so high risk that you're telling your mom

1236
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 1: how you would like her to how you would like

1237
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 1: her to feel. But I, but that's high.

1238
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 3: Risk military service. I feel like, is it.

1239
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 1: Totally what I'm saying? Like that, Like that is like

1240
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 1: legitimately high risk climbing K two, Like I think like

1241
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 1: to be like, uh.

1242
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 3: To be not just not just high risk, but like

1243
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 3: in the service of your country.

1244
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 1: Oh, it's yeah, I'm not what I was getting at.

1245
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:03,920
Speaker 1: I wasn't there's there's there's zero parallel. What I was

1246
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 1: getting at was I was what I was trying to capture.

1247
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 1: There was I was trying to capture, Like what is

1248
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 1: the mindset of someone who does things that are actually

1249
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 1: high risk? Right? Like not true, there's you can't even

1250
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 1: there's there's no you can't equate it at all, like

1251
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 1: me dicking around hunting with doing something like that. You

1252
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 1: can't equate it. But the point was, like the way

1253
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 1: Rourke had such a and maybe it's over now because

1254
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 1: he's out and his kids and all that, but he

1255
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 1: had such a comfortable he just arrived at a very

1256
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 1: comfortable place about it because it's actually high risk, right,

1257
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 1: Like remember there was a single helicopter crash that killed

1258
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 1: eighteen guys, including like in the like thirteen, I don't

1259
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 1: know it was thirteen or fourteen seals all like bam.

1260
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 7: I mean they couldn't do their job if they know,

1261
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 7: you know what I mean, if they worried about it.

1262
01:01:56,320 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 1: Yes, super comfortable. A friend of mine, like a kind

1263
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 1: of a friend of guy acquaintance I had, the guy

1264
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 1: knew died on K two, he lost most of his

1265
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 1: friend group. Already very comfortable, like very comfortable with it

1266
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 1: because it's like there's such a likelihood, like he went

1267
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:21,439
Speaker 1: once and got injured, one up in the hospital, got better,

1268
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 1: went back and died. And it's like, I don't there's

1269
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 1: no thing, is there any There's no thing in hunting.

1270
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 1: There's no thing in hunting. Uh, there's no thing in

1271
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 1: hunting that is at that risk level.

1272
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 6: Do you know what the like is there statistic for

1273
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 6: injuries like k Buffalo? Is it is that even like a.

1274
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 1: I don't know what that would be.

1275
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 4: I feel like it's got to be relatively low.

1276
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 1: A couple of years, yeah, but I mean there's not

1277
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 1: that many people doing it, but a couple of.

1278
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 3: Year is Brody and Yannis and Seth. Is there any

1279
01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 3: hunt you wouldn't do because of the risk?

1280
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 9: I mean if if there was like all of a sudden,

1281
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 9: you know, like say you know the Coups deer hunt Mexico, say,

1282
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 9: all of a sudden, it's like extremely dangerous and like

1283
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:14,680
Speaker 9: to go there and a lot of people are getting

1284
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 9: like killed by the cartel.

1285
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:18,240
Speaker 1: Whatever something like mafia stuff.

1286
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd be like, Okay, I'm good, I don't I

1287
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 5: don't need to go.

1288
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 3: But not the actual so like the circumstances with the area.

1289
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 1: No, okay, answer stuff.

1290
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 5: But yeah, not not.

1291
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:37,400
Speaker 9: Not an animal. It would be the environment, like the

1292
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 9: you know, it'd be more human element.

1293
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 6: I would say, right, there's some places that I wouldn't like.

1294
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 6: I'm not experienced by any means, but there's certain places

1295
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 6: where I wouldn't like.

1296
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 3: Free die at m That's that's an interesting there's areas interesting.

1297
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 1: I had that, but then I went there and it

1298
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 1: was not fun.

1299
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 2: You took me there, didn't you.

1300
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 1: Well then I went with Greg another time, uh like

1301
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 1: NorCal stuff, you know, and not. I shouldn't say it

1302
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 1: was not fun. It was like so much going on,

1303
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 1: Like it's so much going on, and then there's that

1304
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 1: you got that stupid shark proof thing hanging off your ankle,

1305
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 1: shark deterrent that that. Yeah, but you just get used

1306
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 1: to it. He just does it now and he's like,

1307
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 1: you don't think about it. There's nothing you can do.

1308
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 1: You're not gonna know if what if you get hit

1309
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 1: by a white white shark. He's like, that's relaxing. You're

1310
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 1: there's nothing you're gonna do. Other sharks, there's stuff you

1311
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:43,920
Speaker 1: can do. He's like, with that shark, you're not gonna know.

1312
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:46,160
Speaker 1: And there's nothing you can do, and so I just

1313
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 1: don't think about it. That's just that's Greg's take on it.

1314
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 1: Greg dives that. Greg. That's cut it. That's his whole,

1315
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 1: that's his zone.

1316
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 3: I wish Greg was over here. You started talking about

1317
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 3: like how does he assess the risk? I mean, I

1318
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:00,800
Speaker 3: understand that all of these things we were talking, like

1319
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 3: extreme running or hunting in you know, really wild environments

1320
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 3: like these are the things that make you feel alive,

1321
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 3: so you can't be so afraid of death and all

1322
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:13,480
Speaker 3: the things that you're doing. But like where is the

1323
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 3: where is the line?

1324
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:16,640
Speaker 2: But again, the odds, like if you're going to start

1325
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 2: worrying about stuff, the odds are that you're going to

1326
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 2: get smashed by another driver driving around your town and

1327
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 2: get killed that way before you get killed by a

1328
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 2: grizz or a cape buffalo or a great white shark.

1329
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 1: That's like, that's what the psychology is is there's these

1330
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:41,440
Speaker 1: fantastical things that suck up tons of headspace. So when

1331
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 1: I took Jimmy dive in the oil rigs in Louisiana,

1332
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 1: like it's just they're just our sharks. It's not like

1333
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 1: what will happen if we see a shark. I mean,

1334
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 1: there's just are every rig. There's just they're there, like

1335
01:05:55,000 --> 01:06:00,040
Speaker 1: bigger than you, every rig. They're just around, And so

1336
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 1: I then I'm not worried about me, but I'm like

1337
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 1: worried about something like there's a sort of mental irritation

1338
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 1: that that'll happen to him. But I'm like, why am

1339
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:12,640
Speaker 1: I not having a bunch of mental irritation that he'll

1340
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:15,920
Speaker 1: make a really dumb judgment and get himself in the prop?

1341
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 1: It's probably like far more likely that you're gonna screw

1342
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 1: up and someone's gonna throw it in reverse when you're

1343
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 1: not supposed to, when you're gonna miss here that it's

1344
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 1: clear or whatever. Why am I not all day thinking

1345
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 1: about the prop? But instead all day I'm thinking about sharks.

1346
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 1: But then you talk to the guys you're with and

1347
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, this that's from the boat prop. This

1348
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 1: that's from the boat problem. I feel like there's a

1349
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:45,960
Speaker 1: level of what you're like, but you don't think about

1350
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:49,280
Speaker 1: boat props because they're not exciting to think about.

1351
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 6: I think it's also what you're like necessarily used to

1352
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 6: because like I'm just gonna say, we're around a lot

1353
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 6: more boat props than we are sharks, Like that's a you.

1354
01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 7: Know, yeah, I mean the things you can't control are scarier, right, yeah,

1355
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:06,720
Speaker 7: especially when they got teeth or horns or whatever.

1356
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:07,160
Speaker 1: You know.

1357
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 3: Or you're just like men, you worry about everything all

1358
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:12,919
Speaker 3: the time, no matter what boat props and your mom.

1359
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:15,760
Speaker 1: You often aren't worried about the right thing.

1360
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:24,400
Speaker 3: Tell me more about that, really.

1361
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:27,080
Speaker 1: Well, no, you probably are like you hanging around here,

1362
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:28,280
Speaker 1: you know you ought to be worried about.

1363
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 3: I mean, just let's add it to the list getting.

1364
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:35,640
Speaker 1: In being Uh, yeah, you're worried about the right thing.

1365
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:37,479
Speaker 3: Being in little skiffs in the big water.

1366
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 1: It all sudden you're in the water and the boat ain't.

1367
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:43,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's bad.

1368
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 4: Ye.

1369
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 3: I think about that every single time I get in

1370
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:48,800
Speaker 3: the boat.

1371
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:52,000
Speaker 1: It's just like insurmountable, like you can't swim it.

1372
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:53,760
Speaker 3: I watched one of my kids get in the boat.

1373
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 3: I think about what would happen? Like, do you think

1374
01:07:57,920 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 3: about that today?

1375
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 1: Mabel? She's someone said something about the boat sinking and

1376
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:06,720
Speaker 1: I said, she said, well, we're dead, And I said, no,

1377
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:08,560
Speaker 1: we're gonna swim that way. She goes, I can't swim

1378
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:13,440
Speaker 1: that far. I'll get hypothermia. I'm like, that's true. I

1379
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 1: didn't tell her. I was like, well, we're gonna stick

1380
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 1: with the boat, and I don't know, Like that's the

1381
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 1: thing to pay attention to.

1382
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 3: It's on the radar.

1383
01:08:23,360 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 1: But when I'm diving around here, and what I'm thinking about,

1384
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, I know they don't, but why don't killer

1385
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:33,680
Speaker 1: whales bite people? Why don't they bite people? That's what

1386
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:35,880
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about, Like, I know they don't, but what

1387
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:38,240
Speaker 1: if they did? And I'm not thinking about what if

1388
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:40,120
Speaker 1: I come up and the boat's gone.

1389
01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:41,800
Speaker 4: That happened once.

1390
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:45,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that happened to be Jimmy. Well, no, we were

1391
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:48,320
Speaker 1: by the shore. It would just been the sucky situation.

1392
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:49,960
Speaker 6: Well, if we were out in the middle of the ocean,

1393
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:52,559
Speaker 6: we've been a far bigger problem.

1394
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 3: I mean, you've almost killed me in these waters before

1395
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 3: they did. You hear about that story?

1396
01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:02,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, over Greg's place, he has.

1397
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:09,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it be like he killed his girlfriend, not the

1398
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:10,879
Speaker 1: mother of his children.

1399
01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:15,720
Speaker 6: There's go pro footage of him like diving around like

1400
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:19,560
Speaker 6: on the bottom, around that chum bag and sea lions

1401
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:24,280
Speaker 6: like coming in at Frank's coming in behind him and

1402
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 6: heads going like here and just going straight past him. Yeah, well,

1403
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:33,880
Speaker 6: I mean, like those do attack people.

1404
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:37,160
Speaker 5: They swim through the water their heads.

1405
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:40,479
Speaker 6: Yeah, well underwater they spiral like this and like get

1406
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 6: all close to you and act all aggressive.

1407
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:45,040
Speaker 2: You've seen that in the water, No, but I've.

1408
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 6: I've I mean he just had him and Greg got

1409
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 6: to happen. I'm trying to stay away from those. I've

1410
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:53,960
Speaker 6: seen seals. I've gotten pretty close to seals. Seals don't

1411
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:54,559
Speaker 6: do anything though.

1412
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:57,559
Speaker 2: No, I'm not going to get in the water.

1413
01:09:58,120 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 1: We had one last talking point. Sorry, go ahead.

1414
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:01,960
Speaker 3: I was just going to say, I think that's when

1415
01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:05,599
Speaker 3: you can picture what people would say when you if

1416
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 3: you were to die.

1417
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:08,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what do you people would be like? I

1418
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:09,599
Speaker 1: wrote about that.

1419
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 3: I wrote about that, Yeah for the Free Press thing.

1420
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wrote about that. When you're doing things you

1421
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 1: can't live that way, but you're doing things you just

1422
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 1: picture like you know, oh that he would bring his children,

1423
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:27,799
Speaker 1: he would put his children at risk.

1424
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, But there's truth to it. I mean,

1425
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:34,200
Speaker 3: there is truth to that. I'm not saying that that

1426
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:40,519
Speaker 3: truth should like supersede the other positive benefits that are,

1427
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:45,200
Speaker 3: you know, gleaned by giving your kids the opportunities to

1428
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 3: do these really wild adventurous things, and I think as

1429
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 3: parents we've are in agreement that that outweighs the risk.

1430
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:57,120
Speaker 3: But it's sad to think, like if you were too,

1431
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:02,120
Speaker 3: if you two went diving tomorrow and you to be killed,

1432
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:06,920
Speaker 3: Like what an asshole took his kid out by anything?

1433
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:08,559
Speaker 1: Lost our boat lightning?

1434
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:15,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I guess this really, But like if you're

1435
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:20,559
Speaker 2: if he took his kid driving, yeah, that's a whole

1436
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:24,240
Speaker 2: other story in a you know, in sketchy winter conditions,

1437
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 2: and then there's an accident.

1438
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's a I know, there's always yeah, the.

1439
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:35,080
Speaker 1: Like the judgment part that that I don't I'm aware

1440
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:39,160
Speaker 1: of it. But the judgment part. I got enough problems

1441
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:42,599
Speaker 1: with something bad happens, Like the judgment part I wouldn't

1442
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 1: worry about. And when uh, what's kind of funny is

1443
01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:57,160
Speaker 1: we'll close this up in a second. But when the submersible,

1444
01:11:57,560 --> 01:12:04,080
Speaker 1: the Titan, the ocean Gate submersible, when it imploded, I

1445
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:09,599
Speaker 1: was asked about like and immediately all these people, without

1446
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:13,439
Speaker 1: even knowing any of the story, all this condemnation, Oh

1447
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:19,559
Speaker 1: so stupid, what idiots, the Hubrisks. They deserved it, right,

1448
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:23,880
Speaker 1: And it was like before anyone knew the details, there

1449
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:26,560
Speaker 1: was a ton of condemnation. I'm gonna be careful of

1450
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:30,160
Speaker 1: my words here because before the details emerged, there was

1451
01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:34,160
Speaker 1: an immediate condemnation and it was kind of like, how

1452
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:36,960
Speaker 1: dare you be risky?

1453
01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:40,840
Speaker 8: Care you go where you're not supposed to?

1454
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:44,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, how dare you be risky? We're gonna ridicule you

1455
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:45,519
Speaker 1: for being risky?

1456
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:48,280
Speaker 4: Uh?

1457
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:51,120
Speaker 1: And I almost wrote about that. I was asked to

1458
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:53,240
Speaker 1: write about it. I was asked to write about risk

1459
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 1: and like in this sort of thing where it's people

1460
01:12:57,640 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 1: feeling like they had to be so safe all the time.

1461
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:04,559
Speaker 1: In hindsight, I'm glad I didn't because when the story

1462
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 1: emerged about Stockton Rush, the CEO right of the company,

1463
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:18,559
Speaker 1: and his attitude toward his own team, his attitude towards

1464
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:22,080
Speaker 1: safety records, his attitude towards just basically the science of

1465
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 1: what he was trying to do was negligent to the

1466
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:28,360
Speaker 1: point that he kind of killed those people, Like.

1467
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:32,760
Speaker 11: He he not quite did he put a gun against him,

1468
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:38,519
Speaker 11: but like he was toying with the hammer, right, he

1469
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:42,760
Speaker 11: was playing with a pistol with those guys downrange, like

1470
01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:44,479
Speaker 11: to put it in gun terms.

1471
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:46,760
Speaker 1: So then I was like, man, I'm glad I didn't

1472
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:51,120
Speaker 1: do what I did because it was something bad. And

1473
01:13:51,160 --> 01:13:55,519
Speaker 1: so there's that there's like people that get into a

1474
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:58,519
Speaker 1: thing where there's like an inevitability of what's going to come.

1475
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 1: To bring it back to Kate Buffalo and I respect him.

1476
01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:10,680
Speaker 1: You know. We talked about Morgan.

1477
01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:12,960
Speaker 3: Potter, who's wonderful.

1478
01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:17,160
Speaker 1: Yep, great guy, family man. But there you're like, oh,

1479
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:22,720
Speaker 1: so you're gonna track a bunch of those and you're

1480
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:26,120
Speaker 1: going to track three or four wounded ones every year,

1481
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:29,760
Speaker 1: and you're gonna do this for thirty or forty years. Oh,

1482
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 1: I see, that's an interesting choice. It's like it's.

1483
01:14:34,439 --> 01:14:37,600
Speaker 3: Also interesting doing that. He was doing that prior to

1484
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:42,759
Speaker 3: having a family. Yeah, that's like, you know, in many ways,

1485
01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 3: a lot of the stuff that you do, even if

1486
01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:48,320
Speaker 3: I don't like it or if I think it's too risky,

1487
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:51,759
Speaker 3: you did it before we were married and had a family.

1488
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:53,639
Speaker 3: So how could I ask you not to do it now?

1489
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:56,080
Speaker 3: Like it wouldn't be fair. It's not who you are.

1490
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:02,439
Speaker 2: I don't feel like I do risky ship anymore. I

1491
01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:02,920
Speaker 2: just don't know.

1492
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:04,880
Speaker 1: I don't feel like I do risky stuff. Well I

1493
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:05,559
Speaker 1: just went.

1494
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:10,719
Speaker 3: Run. Yeah, some people could.

1495
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:12,240
Speaker 2: Say, give me a heart attack.

1496
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 1: We just had a We just had a colleague that

1497
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:20,040
Speaker 1: was for a run and had a tragic accident. Not

1498
01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:22,959
Speaker 1: an accident, but a health you know issue.

1499
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:24,920
Speaker 2: Do I know about this?

1500
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:34,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know about it. You're the one who told

1501
01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:39,639
Speaker 1: me about it. One of our camera guys passed away.

1502
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:41,120
Speaker 5: Oh.

1503
01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:44,080
Speaker 2: I didn't know the details though, so I didn't tell

1504
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:44,719
Speaker 2: you about it.

1505
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:49,120
Speaker 1: Oh sorry you said that to me.

1506
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:52,880
Speaker 2: Well yeah, but I but at that point, we like.

1507
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:55,000
Speaker 1: There's a goal funding front. We had a camera man

1508
01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:00,760
Speaker 1: is we had a cameraman, yes, Chldren. His name is

1509
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 1: Mike Lindamouth. He he filmed. If you watched the me

1510
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:06,439
Speaker 1: Eater TV show and you saw an episode where Yanni

1511
01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:08,679
Speaker 1: and Night went hundred meal deer for instance, in Wyoming

1512
01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:12,440
Speaker 1: with crooked sky outfitters, like the cameraman that shot that show.

1513
01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:13,800
Speaker 5: He filmed, he filmed here.

1514
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:21,640
Speaker 1: He at this table and yep, yep, okay, yeah, he

1515
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:23,200
Speaker 1: sat in this sat here.

1516
01:16:24,240 --> 01:16:26,840
Speaker 2: Uh.

1517
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:31,160
Speaker 1: He was like out on a run and collapsed. So

1518
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:35,200
Speaker 1: I don't know tons of details about it, but when

1519
01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:38,800
Speaker 1: he was imagining. I hate to do this, I mean

1520
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 1: I hate to even talk with this someone that recently

1521
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:43,679
Speaker 1: passed When he was imagining the risk in his life.

1522
01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:48,240
Speaker 1: I don't think he was imagining No, that right, he

1523
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:50,280
Speaker 1: wasn't looking in that He wasn't looking in that direction.

1524
01:16:50,479 --> 01:16:52,000
Speaker 1: And this is not man. I don't even want to

1525
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:54,960
Speaker 1: kind of be like being I don't even want to

1526
01:16:55,040 --> 01:16:57,720
Speaker 1: kind of get like philosophical about what his family is

1527
01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:01,120
Speaker 1: going through, like or like draw lessons from what happened

1528
01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:04,240
Speaker 1: to me. Let me, he's totally unexpected, totally tragic. However,

1529
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:08,360
Speaker 1: there's just there's like the things you are obsessing over,

1530
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:10,040
Speaker 1: and then there's the things that are going to get you,

1531
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:15,320
Speaker 1: and they're not the same sometimes for the for the

1532
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:19,120
Speaker 1: lucky few, they're the same stocked and rushed, the tight

1533
01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:22,680
Speaker 1: and submersible guy. The thing he obsessed over, the thing

1534
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:27,040
Speaker 1: he worried about, got him, you.

1535
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:29,680
Speaker 10: Know, And most people, some people would say, you know,

1536
01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:30,840
Speaker 10: that's okay.

1537
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:34,800
Speaker 1: He probably would have. I think he would have. Last

1538
01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:38,400
Speaker 1: thought before we close, you guys are wondering why how

1539
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:40,240
Speaker 1: it came to be that I used to tease you? Guys?

1540
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:42,320
Speaker 1: I don't think I teased you know you did?

1541
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:45,280
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I think it qualifies.

1542
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 1: Here's what why do why does that? Why do I

1543
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:49,639
Speaker 1: now have one?

1544
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:51,120
Speaker 3: Guys?

1545
01:17:51,160 --> 01:17:52,400
Speaker 8: In those stormy chromers.

1546
01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:59,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe the term goofy hat. I didn't know I

1547
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:01,240
Speaker 1: was teasing something I didn't understand. You want to know

1548
01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:05,280
Speaker 1: what happened, Here's what happened. There's a rancher that lets

1549
01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:08,439
Speaker 1: me hunt his place, and as I do when I

1550
01:18:08,479 --> 01:18:10,599
Speaker 1: get when someone lets me hunt their place, I always

1551
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:13,360
Speaker 1: like to follow up with a gift. And there's nothing

1552
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:16,679
Speaker 1: a rancher likes more than a stormy chromer. Yep.

1553
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:19,639
Speaker 2: So him and his cowboy maybe, but I see where

1554
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 2: you're going.

1555
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:21,000
Speaker 5: So him and his kid.

1556
01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:25,559
Speaker 1: So first Light had a stormy chromer, a couple of

1557
01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:30,080
Speaker 1: stormy chromer collabs. So I wanted to get one for

1558
01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:32,680
Speaker 1: the dad, one for the sun. I got one on

1559
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:36,840
Speaker 1: a warm one, uh, and I got one on the

1560
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:39,320
Speaker 1: wax cotton. But I want him to come to my

1561
01:18:39,439 --> 01:18:42,040
Speaker 1: house so that I could then package them with a

1562
01:18:42,040 --> 01:18:44,679
Speaker 1: couple of little gifts and send it as an annual

1563
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:47,200
Speaker 1: thank you. And I got it. And I don't want

1564
01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:48,840
Speaker 1: them to listen to this and think I put it on.

1565
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:52,840
Speaker 1: But I got it. And I was like, oh, I see,

1566
01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:59,679
Speaker 1: because you order it to your size and in a boat,

1567
01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:05,040
Speaker 1: there's no way your hat's gonna blow off. Door hunting whatever.

1568
01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:07,920
Speaker 1: It's just suckers on there and the bill is the

1569
01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:09,639
Speaker 1: right length and sits just where.

1570
01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:12,479
Speaker 8: You It's not too long, it's not too short, just right.

1571
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:15,240
Speaker 1: It's a little bit warm. It's not a hot weather hat.

1572
01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:19,080
Speaker 1: But around Yeah, I'm sure ones have their place, man,

1573
01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:22,400
Speaker 1: the boating around your hat is staying where it belongs.

1574
01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:24,519
Speaker 3: I think it's pretty interesting that as a thank you

1575
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:26,800
Speaker 3: gift you ordered something for two people that you thought

1576
01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:27,679
Speaker 3: was goofy looking.

1577
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:31,000
Speaker 4: That's a good point.

1578
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:34,000
Speaker 1: I thought it was a little bit stolen balor for like.

1579
01:19:34,120 --> 01:19:35,920
Speaker 1: I thought it was like it'd be like if these

1580
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:39,720
Speaker 1: guys had big old belt buckles. Yeah he does, well,

1581
01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:42,479
Speaker 1: he does now not. It was just like it was

1582
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:44,960
Speaker 1: like it's like I view it like it's like a

1583
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:46,880
Speaker 1: it's like a rancher hat, right.

1584
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:48,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's trying to be people in.

1585
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 1: The egg industry. So when a guy that is not

1586
01:19:51,479 --> 01:19:53,160
Speaker 1: in the egg and a guy that wasn't in the

1587
01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:56,479
Speaker 1: egg industry, I was a little bit like, yeah doing that.

1588
01:19:56,560 --> 01:19:58,800
Speaker 7: I just want to know how long that thing sat there.

1589
01:19:58,840 --> 01:20:00,120
Speaker 8: And Steve's like looking.

1590
01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:01,320
Speaker 4: At I.

1591
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:03,799
Speaker 5: Knew immediately.

1592
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:06,200
Speaker 1: I knew immediately. I understood why.

1593
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:08,240
Speaker 2: It just happened to be your size that you had ordered.

1594
01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:11,439
Speaker 6: Well, you know what's funny. Brodie's son last year at

1595
01:20:11,439 --> 01:20:15,000
Speaker 6: the he was running one. Yeah, and you said it

1596
01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:17,000
Speaker 6: was the greatest hat ever made. And he told me

1597
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:18,920
Speaker 6: about the history in Michigan and we looked on the

1598
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 6: back and everything.

1599
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:19,760
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1600
01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 1: See when I was growing up, still trash talk. When

1601
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:24,479
Speaker 1: I was growing up, it was like conflicted. I was

1602
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:26,519
Speaker 1: conflicted here I am. I got the name of hat on.

1603
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:28,880
Speaker 9: When I was growing up, it was I never even

1604
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:30,720
Speaker 9: thought of a rancher or someone in the egg and

1605
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:33,360
Speaker 9: she wearing it was always like the north Woods hunters,

1606
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:36,920
Speaker 9: like folks in Maine, folks in northern Minnesota.

1607
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:40,880
Speaker 1: Was got like, no, no, no, no, maybe Maine, Norton, Minnesota.

1608
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:43,840
Speaker 1: I would have been like, really, what's Michigan, isn't it.

1609
01:20:43,960 --> 01:20:46,680
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's a Michigan pro Michigan.

1610
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:54,880
Speaker 1: Up again, like hag adjacent. I think adjacent, Like if

1611
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:56,800
Speaker 1: you were down, I mean, doesn't I don't. We don't

1612
01:20:56,960 --> 01:21:01,000
Speaker 1: spend all day. Let you know something, I'm happy like

1613
01:21:01,439 --> 01:21:08,400
Speaker 1: some guy getting a cranberry scone in Minneapolis. You know, yeah,

1614
01:21:08,479 --> 01:21:08,720
Speaker 1: I get.

1615
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:13,240
Speaker 2: I gotta be like, really, I find it interesting how

1616
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:17,920
Speaker 2: many people country the stormy chromer to me, is a

1617
01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:23,800
Speaker 2: very like technical, functional piece of equipment, especially when you

1618
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:29,920
Speaker 2: compare it to a classic half plastic, half cotton baseball

1619
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:32,679
Speaker 2: hat that most hunters are walking around in the woods

1620
01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:35,679
Speaker 2: in that really, I mean, it gives you some shade.

1621
01:21:36,120 --> 01:21:39,000
Speaker 2: But other than that, it's like the fabric that it's

1622
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:41,760
Speaker 2: made out of is not very technical. It's if they

1623
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:43,719
Speaker 2: get wet, they it stinks.

1624
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:47,720
Speaker 7: They don't keep you warm, they don't keep you dry.

1625
01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:58,000
Speaker 1: What greater, what greater uh capitulation could there be? Then?

1626
01:21:58,040 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 5: Here?

1627
01:21:58,280 --> 01:21:58,799
Speaker 1: I am.

1628
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:03,080
Speaker 3: I just think I don't hear you say that you

1629
01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:05,120
Speaker 3: were wrong. I wasn't I.

1630
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:07,320
Speaker 5: Wasn't wrong.

1631
01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:10,840
Speaker 1: I just I wasn't wrong. I felt that there was

1632
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:14,679
Speaker 1: like a just the same with cowboy hats. There's there's

1633
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:17,120
Speaker 1: guys and I don't know, I know what when I

1634
01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:20,400
Speaker 1: see it. There's guys that should have them, there's guys

1635
01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:21,840
Speaker 1: that shouldn't have them.

1636
01:22:22,160 --> 01:22:25,160
Speaker 7: So I'm like the stormy chromer. You wake up one

1637
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:28,320
Speaker 7: day and be like cowboy hat, Like you know.

1638
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:34,320
Speaker 1: Listen, listen, listen me no business in the cop If

1639
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:36,760
Speaker 1: you ever catch me in a cowboy hat, If you

1640
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:39,600
Speaker 1: ever catch me a cowboy hat, I would expect you

1641
01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:43,800
Speaker 1: to punch me. Okay, I will never. I have no

1642
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:46,599
Speaker 1: business in a cowboy hat, no business in the cop.

1643
01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:48,839
Speaker 8: I'm just glad you came around on the stormy chromer.

1644
01:22:49,479 --> 01:22:52,280
Speaker 1: I have no Yeah, I I have business in a

1645
01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:56,200
Speaker 1: stormy chromer. Oh yeah, you fit the half business in

1646
01:22:56,280 --> 01:22:58,320
Speaker 1: my fur hat. I do not have.

1647
01:22:58,240 --> 01:23:01,960
Speaker 3: Business for you while you're wearing it. That is what

1648
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:02,559
Speaker 3: you're saying.

1649
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:04,000
Speaker 8: He's not gonna he does.

1650
01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:06,679
Speaker 1: I spent what I'm on my way to say.

1651
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:10,080
Speaker 7: He's talking about some like hipster with a curated.

1652
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:12,400
Speaker 2: Yeah like.

1653
01:23:12,640 --> 01:23:17,040
Speaker 1: And then I you know, listen, these guys I bought

1654
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:19,960
Speaker 1: a couple for It was a gift. I was trying

1655
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:21,439
Speaker 1: to think of what what could I get for them

1656
01:23:21,439 --> 01:23:22,400
Speaker 1: that they would like the most.

1657
01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:25,479
Speaker 8: I think it's a great gift, very nice. Just never

1658
01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:27,040
Speaker 8: like the hat.

1659
01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:30,000
Speaker 3: We've always liked the hat. You're the one who had

1660
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:30,639
Speaker 3: that hat problem.

1661
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:32,439
Speaker 1: And they're wearing some bitch right now. Now. What I'm

1662
01:23:32,479 --> 01:23:35,840
Speaker 1: not gonna do? Yanni puts an elk Ivory up front.

1663
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:38,160
Speaker 1: It's not I don't even have enough personality.

1664
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:41,200
Speaker 2: I don't have any with an elk Ivory up there?

1665
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:43,200
Speaker 2: You do, No, I don't.

1666
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:45,360
Speaker 1: What do you have on yours?

1667
01:23:45,400 --> 01:23:48,439
Speaker 2: Nothing, But I will say I just have mind tied

1668
01:23:48,439 --> 01:23:50,120
Speaker 2: in the little bow, and I like, I don't have

1669
01:23:50,240 --> 01:23:53,160
Speaker 2: enough personality for the bow. Well no, but I like

1670
01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:55,439
Speaker 2: what you did because that bow has a hard time

1671
01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:56,880
Speaker 2: standing tied.

1672
01:23:58,439 --> 01:24:02,639
Speaker 7: Square not you've committed to never trying to cut.

1673
01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 2: It and burned it.

1674
01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:04,400
Speaker 4: I did.

1675
01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:07,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, well he made down.

1676
01:24:07,240 --> 01:24:08,720
Speaker 5: You just pull them down down?

1677
01:24:09,479 --> 01:24:10,880
Speaker 8: Do they go down without on time?

1678
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:11,759
Speaker 5: Oh? Yeah?

1679
01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:14,040
Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah?

1680
01:24:15,320 --> 01:24:18,200
Speaker 8: Huh did they do that on the wool on?

1681
01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:18,920
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1682
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:20,280
Speaker 8: Why did I never know that?

1683
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:26,280
Speaker 1: Like I could pull off a stormy chromer, no problem,

1684
01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:32,240
Speaker 1: case in point now with a bowl up front? No, no,

1685
01:24:32,439 --> 01:24:33,720
Speaker 1: I think you got me down.

1686
01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:36,120
Speaker 3: You're selling yourself short.

1687
01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:41,040
Speaker 1: You could bow, you got little bow peep.

1688
01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:43,880
Speaker 2: We did see a guy at the State Theater in Kalams,

1689
01:24:44,120 --> 01:24:50,040
Speaker 2: Michigan that I think had a pair of uh wild

1690
01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:54,400
Speaker 2: pig tusks tied into his That's a lot of personality

1691
01:24:54,640 --> 01:24:55,040
Speaker 2: that is.

1692
01:24:55,120 --> 01:24:56,640
Speaker 1: I don't have that kind of personality.

1693
01:24:57,040 --> 01:24:57,680
Speaker 2: But I liked it.

1694
01:24:57,720 --> 01:24:59,880
Speaker 3: When I saw I was like, that's why did Steve

1695
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:01,360
Speaker 3: think you had? What do you think you had?

1696
01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:05,320
Speaker 1: You don't have elk Ivory's tied up on top of yours.

1697
01:25:08,080 --> 01:25:08,360
Speaker 5: He does.

1698
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:12,760
Speaker 2: I don't want to lose my ivories, my orange.

1699
01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:17,200
Speaker 4: Never wear a hat that has more personality than you do.

1700
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:19,960
Speaker 1: Never wear hat says hello before you do. That's right,

1701
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:21,519
Speaker 1: like fatherlike son.

1702
01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:24,000
Speaker 8: And I need an orange one mine's faded.

1703
01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:25,519
Speaker 2: Okay, we've gone long enough.

1704
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:26,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, people were bored by this.

1705
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:28,160
Speaker 2: What do we have to do now? We just have

1706
01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:29,880
Speaker 2: to eat dinner and get ready to go fish again.

1707
01:25:29,960 --> 01:25:31,479
Speaker 8: Huh, hopefully clean some salmon.

1708
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:32,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1709
01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:35,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, the water's laid down. Things look good. We got

1710
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:37,800
Speaker 1: some bad weather coming in. We got some good weather

1711
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:38,280
Speaker 1: coming up.

1712
01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:38,680
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1713
01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:41,839
Speaker 2: And our crazy little kids going out to the float

1714
01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:42,919
Speaker 2: and are swimming.

1715
01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:44,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're always doing that.

1716
01:25:46,200 --> 01:25:50,000
Speaker 3: It's not even yeah, should that's something I worry about.

1717
01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:52,639
Speaker 1: Risk eighty of Mountain one canoe.

1718
01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:54,800
Speaker 7: I can't believe your kids do that.

1719
01:25:56,520 --> 01:26:18,280
Speaker 2: All right, Thank you everybody, thanks for listening.