Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.
Speaker 1: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your
Speaker 1: favorite shows from the Real Housewives of Atlanta, New Jersey
Speaker 1: and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and
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Speaker 1: Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in
Speaker 1: addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or
Speaker 1: scripted as well.
Speaker 2: Once again we have Dust and Blue and Claudia Jordan
Speaker 2: and we are going to get into the latest episode
Speaker 2: of the Real Housewives of Atlanta, or.
Speaker 3: As I like to call it, Yo Mama.
Speaker 4: For breaking the tension that I have in my own room.
Speaker 5: Listen, this will be the most difficult episode I will
Speaker 5: have to recap, but I plan on being honest like
Speaker 5: always a pores.
Speaker 4: But we are going to keep it real, keep it.
Speaker 6: First of all, can I just adjust my neck?
Speaker 7: I'm adjusting your attitude, Claudia my face because this is
Speaker 7: I never wear a part in the right so maybe
Speaker 7: I just turned my face.
Speaker 6: Why you are feeling guilty about something.
Speaker 4: I'm fe guilty about nothing. Now, look I said.
Speaker 8: When I say it and it was a pregnant pause.
Speaker 1: I didn't say it a right house pregnant pause on
Speaker 1: the upcoming reunion of Atlanta Housewives.
Speaker 8: Allegedly.
Speaker 4: Okay, so Blue Laudia justin, I got ready for this episode.
Speaker 4: Recap out.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it is a.
Speaker 1: List listen all right, So Raine Drows, please vote whether
Speaker 1: your team Porsche, Team Shmia, or team neither.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 1: So in this episode, the ladies are in Scotland, and
Speaker 1: as we all know, Porsche and Phaeder are hosting the trip.
Speaker 1: The ladies play a game tug of board. Look rain drops.
Speaker 1: I love y'all already know what time it is. Y'all
Speaker 1: don't care about me as you're recapping the Tug of boar.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna spare y'all recapping that the ladies play
Speaker 1: a game.
Speaker 4: It was actually cute.
Speaker 8: Okay.
Speaker 1: Now we're gonna get into the ladies sitting down to
Speaker 1: have lunch after the game. As we all know, in
Speaker 1: the last episode and Kelly made up, So Porsche asked
Speaker 1: Kelly how does she feel today?
Speaker 4: You know, Kelly's going through a.
Speaker 1: Very nasty divorce at this time of the taping of
Speaker 1: the show. It's also revealed to the table that Portion
Speaker 1: and Kelly both agreed after apologizing to each other that
Speaker 1: you know there's no beat.
Speaker 4: It is what it is. We're all good.
Speaker 1: Shemiah found down that moment, and Shemiah did say that
Speaker 1: it felt weird to see Porsche move forward with Kelly
Speaker 1: and not her. I want to start there because I
Speaker 1: think about this recap as we get into what happened
Speaker 1: at the end.
Speaker 4: I felt that the producers did.
Speaker 1: An amazing job feeding us moments that made sense to
Speaker 1: where everything went to hell, right, So in that moment, Dustin,
Speaker 1: I'll start with you when Mia found out that Portion
Speaker 1: and Kelly apologize to each other and Porch is engaging
Speaker 1: with Kelly, and Shamia made that comment how.
Speaker 4: It was weird to see Porscha move forward with Kelly
Speaker 4: not her. What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 3: I thought it was childlike personally, it felt very immature.
Speaker 3: It felt as all season long, right like we've been
Speaker 3: watching Shemia and Porsche dodge boulders like they're on American
Speaker 3: fucking gladiators. When it comes to opportunities to have the talk, right,
Speaker 3: they dodge the boulder. Everything that you think might sway
Speaker 3: them one way, they dodge it and continue moving forward.
Speaker 3: So I thought that of all the things that will
Speaker 3: nudge you into this conversation, of all conversations, a little
Speaker 3: bit of jealousy over your bestie right finding some sort
Speaker 3: of peace and state of being cordial with Porsche is
Speaker 3: all it takes to push you overboard. It just seemed like,
Speaker 3: of all the reasons for this conversation to now be started,
Speaker 3: jealousy over that and then calling your mom about it,
Speaker 3: it just felt very childlike to me in a way
Speaker 3: that I did not I wasn't necessary. I felt bad
Speaker 3: for Sami. I guess that's what I mean when I
Speaker 3: say child like. It felt like watching a little kid
Speaker 3: get their feelings hurt, you know what I'm saying, and
Speaker 3: then go back in the room and call their mom
Speaker 3: about it. So I was just kind of like, damn, Smia, like,
Speaker 3: suck it up, you know what I'm saying, and keep
Speaker 3: it moving. Where's your poker face right now? So, and
Speaker 3: I really wonder how Kelly felt like that felt about that.
Speaker 3: To be honest with you like that would have given
Speaker 3: me a little bit of pause with the fast pace
Speaker 3: of our friendship, like why are.
Speaker 8: You mad because we made up? I don't know, that's
Speaker 8: how I felt blue.
Speaker 4: I saw you nodding your head. Do you agree with
Speaker 4: Dustin's a sentiment?
Speaker 1: Did it feel like Shamia was acting childish in that
Speaker 1: lim Man?
Speaker 9: I think it was the And here's the thing.
Speaker 7: I don't have a dog in this race, Like neither
Speaker 7: to Me nor Porsche are people that I cap for
Speaker 7: when I agree with them with them and I don't
Speaker 7: agree with them, I don't agree with them. So it's
Speaker 7: not like I have an allegiance either way, like maybe
Speaker 7: you might or somebody else might own this, but so
Speaker 7: I have no allegiance whatsoever as somebody with zero allegiance
Speaker 7: who's just watching it super objectively and doesn't feel like
Speaker 7: there's somebody I feel bad for. What was a literal
Speaker 7: visual definition of misery loves company. Literally, I am in
Speaker 7: a miserable situation with her. You and I have bonded
Speaker 7: over our miserable situations with her. Now you've stopped being miserable,
Speaker 7: and I have no company. You and her have made up,
Speaker 7: and I have no company to be miserable with me.
Speaker 7: That's objectively true. I'm not going to debate. If water
Speaker 7: is wet, you are literally mad that she's not miserable anymore.
Speaker 7: Quite literally, one plus one will always be too in
Speaker 7: this household. Right, and so, as a matter of fact,
Speaker 7: not opinion, you were miserable that she stopped being miserable.
Speaker 7: There is something entitled immature and enabled in that that
Speaker 7: already tells me this is a weed that's grown from
Speaker 7: a rotten seed a long time ago. Something like that
Speaker 7: doesn't happen casually. Because Shemiah is someone who's known for
Speaker 7: being a good friend and holding space for people. My
Speaker 7: first thought was, wasn't that, Oh, Shemia's childish and she sucks?
Speaker 7: It was Shemia's childish in a moment where this is
Speaker 7: usually her superpower. Being a supportive friend is her entire
Speaker 7: effing brand. So if someone like me, like I'm a
Speaker 7: supportive friend, clutter support is a very supportive friend, you
Speaker 7: are like legendary for that and right, so, as somebody
Speaker 7: who knows how supportive friends work, this doesn't make sense
Speaker 7: people like us unless the premise has been flawed from
Speaker 7: the beginning.
Speaker 9: And the minute I saw that.
Speaker 7: Scene, I made it a point to listen very closely
Speaker 7: to the words that were being said in the blow up,
Speaker 7: and the words revealed their friendship. In my opinion as
Speaker 7: a matter of fact. For right now, the premise was
Speaker 7: a lie. Get into that later. But that scene at
Speaker 7: the Puma Supportia and Shamia, to me, it was a lie.
Speaker 4: I saying that.
Speaker 1: Okay, so Blue is telling bluis saying to us, you'll
Speaker 1: get into that once we get to that.
Speaker 4: But she's holding up the sheet that Carly read.
Speaker 1: Did O Love and Hoodpop and said, but it was
Speaker 1: all a lie.
Speaker 4: It was all a lie.
Speaker 1: So brain jow, make sure we get to that and Lizzy,
Speaker 1: thank you to Claudia Jordan.
Speaker 4: What are your thoughts on Shemia?
Speaker 1: Not because again I took so I took intricate notes
Speaker 1: because I want to make sure I did not use
Speaker 1: words that weren't used. So I want to be very
Speaker 1: careful with my words. Shemiah said, it felt weird to
Speaker 1: see that moment.
Speaker 4: What are your thoughts on you?
Speaker 6: I think it will come out later. Yeah, But.
Speaker 10: Like I just think that Porsha is a much better
Speaker 10: reality star than Shemiah. I think Porsha made a great
Speaker 10: move by making up with Kelly in front of an
Speaker 10: audience and making everybody see think that it's to mea
Speaker 10: that's the problem, not me. Look at me. Look at
Speaker 10: even I'm even cool with her bestie. Now she's icing
Speaker 10: Shemia out with the no allies and there's no one
Speaker 10: left for her to feel like she has an ally
Speaker 10: And although Kelly's so gonna be your an ally and
Speaker 10: her friend, I've seen this happen in girl groups before,
Speaker 10: and it sucks if you're that person that's Shamiya because
Speaker 10: the more you complain and say no, she doesn't really
Speaker 10: mean that, you guys, she doesn't.
Speaker 6: Really want to make up with Kelly. She's mean fake.
Speaker 6: I know her, I know her the most.
Speaker 10: You look like a fucking bitch. You look like you're
Speaker 10: a hater, like you won't let it go. You look
Speaker 10: like you're petty, and who knows what the real truth is.
Speaker 10: But I'm just saying that's an outside looking in. I've
Speaker 10: seen this mean girl shit in groups before, where you're like,
Speaker 10: you know what, I like you a little bit, I
Speaker 10: hate you a little bit less than the other girl,
Speaker 10: so I can stomach apologize and I make up with
Speaker 10: you because I've got real beef for Kelly. Kelly and
Speaker 10: her ports shit with the service, it's easy to make
Speaker 10: that up so.
Speaker 6: To me and seeing that, and she's like I know her.
Speaker 6: I know her.
Speaker 10: This is just an ice. She's taking everything as it's
Speaker 10: a hit to her. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't.
Speaker 6: But I understand in that.
Speaker 10: Moment how Shamiah feels. It is Shamir right and everything.
Speaker 10: Hell no, she got her shit with her and she
Speaker 10: did go low on a few things one thousand percent,
Speaker 10: but she is like someone backed into a corner who
Speaker 10: feels damn. Before I had three friends on the show.
Speaker 10: Then I had two, then they had one. Now I'm
Speaker 10: all alone totally. Now she's gonna really pop off. She's
Speaker 10: gonna pop off because she has nothing to lose.
Speaker 6: Now she is alone on an island.
Speaker 10: No matter what she does, people gonna say she's sucked up,
Speaker 10: she's wrong, she's an asshole.
Speaker 6: We can't stand her.
Speaker 10: She's doing it for Cloud and I think that that
Speaker 10: was a masterful thing that Porti did reality show wise,
Speaker 10: to make up with Kelly in front of the group.
Speaker 10: It makes Shmida look crazy and like she's magic. And
Speaker 10: look look at Porsche over there. You know she's she's
Speaker 10: the bigger person.
Speaker 3: That's my thing, Carlos, She's seen that super chet right, Yes,
Speaker 3: thank you very much.
Speaker 8: Listening to thank you, Thank you to ever left just
Speaker 8: left that super check. Thank you my love.
Speaker 9: I was I was so enthrolled with CD was saying,
Speaker 9: I didn't even.
Speaker 6: Remind me. Hey, I kept trying to remember. I'm like,
Speaker 6: what should me I do? The Porsche that was so bad?
Speaker 6: Was it a big thing? I was a little because
Speaker 6: I forgot. I forgot.
Speaker 9: About that premise.
Speaker 7: If someone that you are because I've been in the
Speaker 7: shmi in the situation, which is actually why I'm being
Speaker 7: hard on her, because I.
Speaker 9: Know what it's like to be in that position and
Speaker 9: you don't. That's not the only way to play it, right.
Speaker 7: If I am cool with someone and they know that
Speaker 7: I've been through something with someone, But we're in an
Speaker 7: ecosystem where even me and the person I'm no longer
Speaker 7: cool with are still being cordial.
Speaker 9: Right.
Speaker 7: Porsche and I are so the same show together, Kelly
Speaker 7: and Portia, We're all on the same show together, right.
Speaker 7: So it's not like this is somebody who lives down
Speaker 7: the street who we never see.
Speaker 9: We already have some sort.
Speaker 7: Of working agreement that we have to get along to
Speaker 7: some degree to do this show together. Right, So it's
Speaker 7: not like, oh my god, I'm isolated from her and
Speaker 7: you ran off. We're in the same room. If y'all
Speaker 7: make up. My first thought is, you know what, I'm
Speaker 7: gonna let this playoffs so she can see for herself.
Speaker 7: I'm actually not gonna say, oh no, she's being masterful.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna let adults be adults. There you go, and
Speaker 7: not put myself in other people's business and say, hey,
Speaker 7: this is a great opportunity for me to learn two things.
Speaker 7: Either Portia's gonna show her ass and she's gonna be revealed,
Speaker 7: and now me and Kelly can bond even deeper about
Speaker 7: a boast scene that she was revealed, or she might
Speaker 7: have actually evolved because I'm not fucking God and I'm
Speaker 7: giving her a chance to show she's evolved or not.
Speaker 7: My thing is there's a hubristin thinking that you have
Speaker 7: to be the person to be the town choir and
Speaker 7: other people's relationships when you're trying to say here, because
Speaker 7: it's the thing, let's be honest. If they're saying you're
Speaker 7: not letting it go, you're not letting it go. It's hurtful,
Speaker 7: but it's not inaccurate you running your mouth about their
Speaker 7: relationship or you not being able to let them figure
Speaker 7: it out for themselves. Is you not letting it go?
Speaker 7: It's painful, but it's not inaccurate. You are being a busybody.
Speaker 7: It's not my place. If Dustin is friends right now
Speaker 7: with somebody that I fell out with, my first thought
Speaker 7: is either my friend grew and Dustin is seeing the
Speaker 7: better part of him that I didn't get, or Dustin's
Speaker 7: gonna see for himself what I saw.
Speaker 9: Either way, that's not my place.
Speaker 8: There you go, Toma keeps putting.
Speaker 7: Herself in these situations. She's back in the corner because
Speaker 7: she put herself in that corner. She could have just
Speaker 7: let them have their moment and drank her fucking tea.
Speaker 3: I also think that again, Shemiah does not come from
Speaker 3: a life where she's experienced certain types of hardship and
Speaker 3: like their relationships with people in her life right, she
Speaker 3: bravely shared some horrible experiences she had had within Eggs,
Speaker 3: but like, outside of that, I don't think she's experienced
Speaker 3: anything like this before. That's why Porsche was able to
Speaker 3: stay composed at that table and be like, I'm okay,
Speaker 3: let her go handle her emotions, and Shamilah was in
Speaker 3: the car breaking down, crying, saying that's my family, and
Speaker 3: you know all that other stuff.
Speaker 8: She was rocked to her core by that.
Speaker 3: Samiya is not a person who I just I just
Speaker 3: think that this is a lot for her, and not
Speaker 3: in a way that she should be shamed for. It's
Speaker 3: just this is a lot for her to deal with.
Speaker 3: And I do kind of feel like Shamia is getting
Speaker 3: a bad rap from everybody. I do feel like she's
Speaker 3: an easy target for motherfuckers to pick on.
Speaker 8: I thought it was rich.
Speaker 3: That I might be jumping ahead, but I thought it
Speaker 3: was rich that ky Michelle said at the table, Okay, go.
Speaker 1: Ahead, I'm gonna tap you into that because one thing
Speaker 1: you did bring up dustin. You brought up the fact
Speaker 1: that Shamia called her mother. So Shamiah called her mother.
Speaker 1: After she saw Portia and Kelly tell they group that
Speaker 1: they did make up, she mentioned to her mother the
Speaker 1: accusation that Angela made a bar sleeping with George.
Speaker 4: Then they intercut.
Speaker 1: Then you saw Pinky and came Michelle in the kitchen,
Speaker 1: and Pinky's like, so what's going on?
Speaker 10: Beto?
Speaker 4: You and ky Michelle, I mean you and Shemiah.
Speaker 1: And in this moment, you know, Pinky says she feels
Speaker 1: that Samiya is fighting all of these battles.
Speaker 4: Ky Michelle then says she saw this girl turn into
Speaker 4: a monster. In that same moment, on the other side, Samia.
Speaker 1: Looked at Kelly, supposedly off camera and said, I only
Speaker 1: have you in this group. So based upon all of that, Dustin,
Speaker 1: what were your thoughts on cay Michelle saying that she
Speaker 1: saw Mia from her purview.
Speaker 4: Turned into a monster, while Pinky is saying fighting all
Speaker 4: of these battles, yes, maybe dealing with this emotionally.
Speaker 8: I thought it contradicted.
Speaker 3: Well, we now know to be true because apparently Ca
Speaker 3: Michelle is unfollowed Shamiya.
Speaker 8: She's been making she's been doing what she does with
Speaker 8: the kind of.
Speaker 3: Vague tweets that allude to her having an issue with someone,
Speaker 3: and you can kind of predict, you can kind of
Speaker 3: determine what it was, what it was aimed at, and
Speaker 3: apparently it's been aimed at Shamiyah.
Speaker 8: I just thought it was rich.
Speaker 3: I think the came Michelle sat back and watched how
Speaker 3: they were playing Ping pong with Shamia and was like,
Speaker 3: fuck it, I'm gonna do it too.
Speaker 8: That's what I think.
Speaker 3: I think that she doesn't have Cay Michelle doesn't have
Speaker 3: as much respect for Shemias she does Porsche, because when
Speaker 3: Shamiyah dropped the bombshell at the table in Ca Michelle's confessional,
Speaker 3: she said, ooh boy, it's about to go down, and Porscha,
Speaker 3: don't play about her mama, meaning that she recognizes that's
Speaker 3: a line that there's a consequence if you cross it
Speaker 3: with Porsche. But she was willfully having multiple conversations about
Speaker 3: how Shamia's mama had her titties up and out quote
Speaker 3: unquote at the club and was in.
Speaker 8: Her face praying all that and shit she's with.
Speaker 3: Cay Michelle is willing across certain eyes of disrespect with
Speaker 3: Shemia that she's unwilling to cross with Porsche, and that
Speaker 3: looks unbalanced to me. In your position as this person
Speaker 3: who was unafraid of conflict and unafraid to confront, you know,
Speaker 3: hot button issues amongst the group, I thought it looked
Speaker 3: fraudulent and that's the pile on shit that I don't
Speaker 3: like with Shemia. Say what you want about Angela's conflict
Speaker 3: with Shemiah, but it's been here since the beginning of
Speaker 3: the season.
Speaker 8: It's not anything new to me. It's something totally different
Speaker 8: to sit.
Speaker 3: Back quiet, might I add, and watch everything that's going
Speaker 3: on for what sixteen how many episodes deep are we now?
Speaker 8: Sixteen seventeen episodes? Fourteen?
Speaker 3: You know, to watch all this time and then shift
Speaker 3: your positioning on someone who you have claimed to be
Speaker 3: a friend, who you allowed to rally around you when
Speaker 3: y'all were in Dallas and you made up that moment
Speaker 3: with Drew Sidora. I just thought that kym mischelle kind
Speaker 3: of switched on Shemia and I didn't.
Speaker 9: Like that.
Speaker 6: Because, like, I'm sorry Colos.
Speaker 10: The way that like listen, and I'm not okay with
Speaker 10: anyone talking bad about anyone's mama, right including Porsche's mother.
Speaker 10: Although okay, but like you can't have two sets of
Speaker 10: standards where oh, they don't play about, don't play about
Speaker 10: play about her mom.
Speaker 8: But but what but tities was out to me?
Speaker 1: Is mom?
Speaker 6: Is oh fair game?
Speaker 10: I don't think that's right, Like have I think this
Speaker 10: was pissing some people off with this watching this is
Speaker 10: there was one thousand set a double standard in this group.
Speaker 10: And if you're in favor of the favorite and the
Speaker 10: the you know, the star of the show, then and
Speaker 10: I see all the people that had beef with Porsche,
Speaker 10: like they made up with her, right, which I like,
Speaker 10: I'm glad, but for some reason, to me, is issues
Speaker 10: that people have with her, it's so much worse than
Speaker 10: everybody else's. They've all done dirt, all of them, whether
Speaker 10: they're your favorite or they're not your favorite, they've all
Speaker 10: done things.
Speaker 6: But choosing to forgive.
Speaker 10: Everybody else except Shamiah is obvious of a pack mentality
Speaker 10: against one person.
Speaker 6: And this is what was happening.
Speaker 10: I mean, I al won't say what's happened to Kenya,
Speaker 10: but like you know, it's not fun when it's like
Speaker 10: six on one five like it's not it makes for
Speaker 10: like it's painful to watch, you know, it's painful.
Speaker 4: And I want to add this before we move on
Speaker 4: to stuff.
Speaker 1: I hear all of you guys, and in my opinion,
Speaker 1: I see I see all of your points of view
Speaker 1: that I feel personally and professionally, you three very well
Speaker 1: executed your point of view. So there's there's things that
Speaker 1: all fie of you guys said that I actually do
Speaker 1: agree with. I think that's the beauty of reality TV,
Speaker 1: which is everything's nuanced, right, there's not on the right answer.
Speaker 1: There's not one wrong answer. I think when it comes
Speaker 1: to the dynamic of portion Shedia, which will get into later,
Speaker 1: I always say this. I leave it to their supporters
Speaker 1: to battle on social media about it. And the reason
Speaker 1: why I love coming here is because we do have
Speaker 1: a conversation where, like Blue said, no one has a
Speaker 1: dog in this fight. Yes, disclaimer, I'm the closest apportion
Speaker 1: on this panel obviously, but I'm also cool with Shamiyah.
Speaker 4: Sami is my girl.
Speaker 1: I make sure to keep things based on the show,
Speaker 1: based on this episode. As we get to this moment,
Speaker 1: I actually think all of this is true. I one
Speaker 1: thousand percent believe that Samiyah is battling something she kept
Speaker 1: inside and she's ready to burst. Okay, she's ready to burst.
Speaker 4: It is it's obvious. It's obvious that her imports Us friendship,
Speaker 4: which was.
Speaker 1: Delicate already, has reached a milestone where they both are
Speaker 1: trying to figure out the dynamic based on being on
Speaker 1: the show together.
Speaker 4: Okay, that's simple. It's black.
Speaker 1: It is so blatant that we're trying to figure out
Speaker 1: how to coexist on this show in a way that
Speaker 1: makes our producers happy and in a way to make
Speaker 1: the fans happy. Right, Porsche is obviously one of the
Speaker 1: greatest reality starts in the world, so Porscha understands how
Speaker 1: to do her job right now.
Speaker 4: When it comes to the Kelly thing, I will say this,
Speaker 4: I do believe that the moment Shemia saw Kelly and
Speaker 4: Porsche make up.
Speaker 1: I do believe in Smia's mind, my opinion, the fact
Speaker 1: that she said off camera allegedly because we didn't see it, Kelly,
Speaker 1: You're the only friend I have in this group, and
Speaker 1: came and Schelle said she felt offended by that comment.
Speaker 1: I do believe that Shemiah possibly could have saw Porsche
Speaker 1: making up with Kelly as a way of this is
Speaker 1: another person that will be on Porsche's side it is.
Speaker 1: I do feel like in her mind that's what she thought.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying Porsche made up with Kelly for that.
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you. I don't think Porscha made
Speaker 1: up with Kelly.
Speaker 4: Just Spice Shamiya. Porsche, in my opinion.
Speaker 1: Made up with Kelly because Porscha is the star of
Speaker 1: this fucking show and Porscha understands how this show works.
Speaker 1: The reason why I'm saying Porsche is one of the
Speaker 1: greatest reality stars is because Porscha knows this show cannot
Speaker 1: survive with me being at odds with everybody.
Speaker 4: So por making up with Kelly was girl, it ain't
Speaker 4: that deep. I did you you dis me? We boke
Speaker 4: on our link back. It was great for the show.
Speaker 4: Let's move on for it.
Speaker 1: But Shamiah in that moment to me thinking that she
Speaker 1: was thinking, I'm losing somebody else to go with Porsche
Speaker 1: because you're the only friend that I had.
Speaker 9: Victimt's victim mind.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Also, Porscha made up with Further to your point of
Speaker 3: Porsche being an incredible reality star, Porscha made up with
Speaker 3: Kelly because she didn't want that smoke no more. Because
Speaker 3: Kelly love her hater. Kelly don't give a fuck about
Speaker 3: nothing Porscha has to say. And Kelly will literally go
Speaker 3: toe to toe with Porsche en scene every single time,
Speaker 3: and she's willing to get into pain with Porsche. And
Speaker 3: Porsche knows that Kelly has that capacity, and I think
Speaker 3: that she knows that that's always there if she ever
Speaker 3: wants to engage with Kelly in that way to stimulate
Speaker 3: the show and make it exciting. She knows she recognizes
Speaker 3: Kelly as a formidable casts men brand opponent.
Speaker 8: Yes, and so she's like, you know what, Yes, let's
Speaker 8: not do that.
Speaker 3: We ain't gotta always do that, you know what I'm saying, Shelle,
Speaker 3: real quick though, because I didn't want to touch Michelle.
Speaker 7: Thing I've been watching came Michelle, and I'm getting a
Speaker 7: glimpse into who she really is at supposed to the
Speaker 7: version of her that I had on a pedestal. And
Speaker 7: that happens, right, Like the more you see people in
Speaker 7: reality shows, even if there's a certain level of self producing,
Speaker 7: the mass slips and you see beneath it, sometimes I'm
Speaker 7: getting the feeling that Kay Michelle is more conservative than
Speaker 7: I previously thought before watching Michelle. A lot of people
Speaker 7: are getting that impression, right, like a desire to be
Speaker 7: wanted by mainstream white country in the institutions that we
Speaker 7: wouldn't have thought previously. There is a certain level of
Speaker 7: I don't want to say, internalized misogyny.
Speaker 9: But she's a little old school in her thinking, right.
Speaker 7: Women who are old school in their thinking and are
Speaker 7: harboring unintensual misogyny, they think like old street niggas.
Speaker 9: Sorry, I don't know if I can say that word.
Speaker 4: They think like old.
Speaker 7: Street dudes, and the code of a street dude is
Speaker 7: I'm gonna treat a hold away she acts, if she
Speaker 7: moves in a way that's respectable and has boundaries, I'm
Speaker 7: gonna treat her like a princess. If I think she
Speaker 7: fast and loose, I'm gonna treat her like a whore.
Speaker 7: If you think about kay Michelle having a similar mindset Portia,
Speaker 7: who's emotionally regulated. To Carlos's point, thanks the big picture
Speaker 7: to Claudia. This point is a pro at knowing when
Speaker 7: to react and when to hold back. I'm watching you
Speaker 7: have restrained, be masterful in the space, wield attention, but
Speaker 7: still no when to pull back. You're emotionally regulated, you're aspirational.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna treat you as such. Tomia easily feels like
Speaker 7: a victim even when she's victimized.
Speaker 9: She adds tacks. She's not making it up. She's been victimized.
Speaker 9: She just likes to at tax right.
Speaker 7: Easily victimized, emotionally deregulated, extra reactive, can barely hold it in,
Speaker 7: about to burst at the seams. I'm not treating this
Speaker 7: whole the way I treat the fancy lady in the
Speaker 7: mink dress.
Speaker 9: I think it.
Speaker 1: Kay.
Speaker 7: Michelle's mind isn't a conflict. She thinks she's treating them
Speaker 7: with whatever respective inspired for her.
Speaker 9: I'm not caping for this.
Speaker 7: I'm just saying a lot of people move this way,
Speaker 7: and I don't want to feign confusion. A lot of
Speaker 7: people have people tell me previously Blue, you think so
Speaker 7: and so's nice.
Speaker 9: She's not nice. She just know she can't be a
Speaker 9: bit around you.
Speaker 7: You know how people I have been told that that
Speaker 7: are horrible people that are lovely because they fucking know better.
Speaker 7: With me, yeah, all four of us on this panel
Speaker 7: know that there are folk who are nice to us
Speaker 7: because they fucking know better.
Speaker 9: I think Kama show's just doing the same thing with
Speaker 9: Shamia and Portia.
Speaker 4: This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King.
Speaker 4: Let's get back into the show.
Speaker 3: I don't want nobody around me that is making decisions
Speaker 3: like that, basing their their choices on who the how
Speaker 3: to treat people.
Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying, based on some stupid ass.
Speaker 9: Ship like that, That's that's how came A show has
Speaker 9: been shown that she moves.
Speaker 8: Much like her song.
Speaker 3: Damn, you know what I'm saying, she got a great
Speaker 3: song on that first half, rebellious Soul called Damn.
Speaker 10: But in the show, some people are being just real
Speaker 10: about their emotions and not being reality stars, and some
Speaker 10: people are being reality stars. And it's very frustrating when
Speaker 10: you are being one herd on your sleeve, not used
Speaker 10: to this, like as as much anybody else, and you
Speaker 10: you're just like, wait, but does that makes sense?
Speaker 6: You look erratic, you look crazy, you.
Speaker 10: Look you look like you beat a bitch, you look
Speaker 10: like you cloud chasing, you look like all the things
Speaker 10: when everybody that's in the chat in the comments, if
Speaker 10: you were in that situation, you might react like that too.
Speaker 10: It's so easy for us here safe, not being with
Speaker 10: cameras on our faces, being humiliated and embarrassed and in comfortable,
Speaker 10: uncomfortable spaces. Right, I'm saying, if I was on a
Speaker 10: show with my former best friend or even a really
Speaker 10: close friend and things change in front of the world
Speaker 10: to see and everyone's talking about every week, I'm gonna
Speaker 10: be off my game.
Speaker 6: I'm not gonna do warn her about that. But here's
Speaker 6: the thing, but one of you doesn't make it.
Speaker 7: That's the thing I'm saying is The thing that struck
Speaker 7: me by the time the credits rolled is that Porscha's
Speaker 7: a soothsayer.
Speaker 9: Porsche literally predicted this a decade ago and said, let's
Speaker 9: not do this. I can already see what's gonna happen.
Speaker 9: You didn't listen, and she was right. You're mad at her.
Speaker 3: For being right now, I'm way too blue because I
Speaker 3: did think that. I did think, like, that's exactly what happened.
Speaker 11: Show you was.
Speaker 7: That you were blindsighted. You weren't blindsided to warn. All right,
Speaker 7: we're gonna get to that.
Speaker 4: Go get that. But okay, congratulations, we have ten thousand
Speaker 4: people in the chat tonight. Okay, I'm gonna stop talking.
Speaker 9: Thank you for having.
Speaker 4: Hold look cold. Look, we're gonna get We're gonna get
Speaker 4: to that. But please, please, Lula Lizzy, remind me.
Speaker 1: To get to the moment of whether or not should
Speaker 1: be approved portions point towards the end. So because because
Speaker 1: guess what, guys, we're finally going to recount the show
Speaker 1: in chronological order so that we understand the building that happened.
Speaker 1: So at this point, Pinky is crying to the girls
Speaker 1: about her business. Uh, you know, she's going to all
Speaker 1: the business issues she mentioned how she had to you know,
Speaker 1: she had money profit, she had to give twenty thousand
Speaker 1: dollars to pay off some some things when it comes
Speaker 1: to the business, and in that moment, she's crying Sandy,
Speaker 1: She's spending so much money. Angela overhears her and says
Speaker 1: her confessional that she believes that Pinky's identity lies with
Speaker 1: her money, Okay, which I would agree with.
Speaker 4: Being an entrepreneur is very hard, and all four of
Speaker 4: us are one. It is very hard.
Speaker 1: The reason why I do enjoy Peaky on the show,
Speaker 1: the reason why when it wasn't popular to like Pinky audience,
Speaker 1: all four of us said, no, she's great for the
Speaker 1: show because she is giving us something different. I still
Speaker 1: stand by that. I think Pinky is fantastic for the show.
Speaker 1: With that being said, I do think Pinky is very
Speaker 1: one note, Pinky, your whole entire identity is your business?
Speaker 1: Is your EI in number? Is it's your c is
Speaker 1: your legal Zoom account number? Is your invoice number.
Speaker 4: I don't know anything about Pinky outside of her business.
Speaker 4: You are married. I have never seen you be a
Speaker 4: wife to your husband. I don't know what that looks like.
Speaker 1: I've never seen you have a family outing that wasn't
Speaker 1: attached to a business. When I see you with the family,
Speaker 1: they're promoting Milano's clothing for children.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: Everything you do and have sat and have orchestrated on
Speaker 1: this show and off the show has been about business.
Speaker 4: And to add to add more evidence.
Speaker 1: To what Angela Oakley said about your identity being with money,
Speaker 1: you said, I'm crying over rich people's problems. You're not
Speaker 1: talking to a class of students at the bankrupt court.
Speaker 1: You're talking to Porsche, who is arguably the richest black
Speaker 1: reality star female on television. You're arguing from the Kay Michelle,
Speaker 1: who's rich, Shamia is rich? Angela despite you know what
Speaker 1: she was going through her homes like Angela has a
Speaker 1: coin too, Jusa, Dora has a coin, right, despite what
Speaker 1: she's going through.
Speaker 4: So to hear her say that, I gotta be honest
Speaker 4: seeing her cry in this moment. If we want to
Speaker 4: talk about moments.
Speaker 1: For TV, I felt this was a lifetime made for
Speaker 1: TV moment directed by Shonda Rimes, co produced by Marra
Speaker 1: brock a Kill and narrated by.
Speaker 4: Lisa Ray McCoy and.
Speaker 9: She owe you Money down.
Speaker 4: No, I'm just everyone knows everyone knows that I enjoy pinky.
Speaker 4: But let's be clear.
Speaker 1: You don't cry to say my husband I have issues
Speaker 1: because when I come home, I'm so stressed out.
Speaker 4: I can't even give him sex like.
Speaker 1: Her, though you sound like her. Look I watch that's
Speaker 1: how she. I'm so sad that I can't see my
Speaker 1: kids playing. One thing about being an entrepreneur, and this
Speaker 1: is and you're talking to Carlos King the first the
Speaker 1: beautiful thing when I left Housewives, which is why I
Speaker 1: won't ever go back, And that is no shade. I
Speaker 1: love the show. Thank you God for the opportunity. Thank
Speaker 1: you Bravo, and you Cooen Chule, the original and all
Speaker 1: the people involved. I'm grateful for the opportunity. I won't
Speaker 1: ever go back to that show because when I was
Speaker 1: a showrunner as Paudia, that is a twenty FoST seven job.
Speaker 4: I make more money talking about this show me working
Speaker 4: on it. I am an entrepreneur, raises for everybody.
Speaker 1: So for me, the beauty of being an entrepreneur is
Speaker 1: I'm clock in when I want to and I clock
Speaker 1: out when I want to.
Speaker 4: I don't feel no sort of.
Speaker 1: Tears on my cheekbone, because when you are an entrepreneur.
Speaker 1: You can't say, yo, I'm about to go to my
Speaker 1: daughter's recital. You don't have to flip the process burgers.
Speaker 1: You don't have to go there to do anything. So
Speaker 1: I felt that it was performative.
Speaker 4: I love Pinky. I think she's great for the show. Pinky.
Speaker 4: My advice to you next season, I want to see
Speaker 4: who you are as.
Speaker 1: A wife, a mother, a friend, because I haven't seen
Speaker 1: any of those things.
Speaker 4: Its fourteen episodes.
Speaker 8: To be fair, Pinky went on the show to promote
Speaker 8: her businesses. We know Pinky. Pinky is a person who
Speaker 8: and I'm with you one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: I just want to be fair because it ain't like
Speaker 3: we didn't know what we were getting ourselves into.
Speaker 8: Pinky's literal, by the words I'm using.
Speaker 3: Her literal claim to fame is her success, runaway success
Speaker 3: as an entrepreneur. After several tries, after several different attempts,
Speaker 3: she got something.
Speaker 8: And not only does she get a big one, she
Speaker 8: got a hit. Right.
Speaker 3: Of course, she suffered the woes of business that we've
Speaker 3: been privy to throughout the headlines we see, but Pinky
Speaker 3: did the damn thing with Slutty Vegan and Pinky is
Speaker 3: a serial entrepreneur. That is her focus. She's always been
Speaker 3: clearing up front about that, and so much so that
Speaker 3: she totally came into this show to use it as
Speaker 3: a vehicle to accelerate whatever business ideas that she had.
Speaker 3: Now it has exhausted us as viewers, right because it
Speaker 3: has been incessant. It doesn't stop. It's just like one
Speaker 3: episode after another. So it's a show. So this is
Speaker 3: that is and I'm crying. It is and I think
Speaker 3: that we're worn out. But I don't think it's fair
Speaker 3: for the viewers to like vilify Pinky for being exactly
Speaker 3: who the fucks.
Speaker 8: She always been, you know, for being who she is. Yeah,
Speaker 8: we're talking about Pinky. Carlos, Oh I'm saying, is okay?
Speaker 3: Just say Pinky done got on your nerves with all
Speaker 3: these businesses and you don't want to see that ship.
Speaker 8: That's all you got to say, because that's what it is.
Speaker 9: You tired.
Speaker 7: I have a questioned, as someone who cares about her
Speaker 7: and knows better than I do. Do you think it's
Speaker 7: just strategy or do you think she's just too scared
Speaker 7: to be as vulnerable as Carlos and most producers.
Speaker 1: I think strategy I think it's both. I think this
Speaker 1: it's sort of like listen. As a reality producer, I
Speaker 1: know for a fact that some of these girls do
Speaker 1: go on the show with an agenda that they have
Speaker 1: a white board, they have a manager, a publicist, and
Speaker 1: a sister who's a family member.
Speaker 8: They have.
Speaker 9: Wait, my sister's my sister.
Speaker 1: The reason why everybody waits for mother and a live
Speaker 1: is because y'all, y'all, y'all want the truth. I have
Speaker 1: a fucking reality star a part of the panel. I
Speaker 1: have a Harvard student a part of the panel is
Speaker 1: highly intelligent, and I.
Speaker 10: Got oh, we got five dustin Ross breaking, we got
Speaker 10: some breaking news, you guys.
Speaker 6: Oh, Porscha just put a tweet out. Did you see it?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 6: And everyone's saying that, okay, want me to read it
Speaker 6: real quick?
Speaker 4: Is it a real tweet?
Speaker 6: It's from her account.
Speaker 10: I'm on her page Twitter. Okay, wait twelve minutes ago. Wait,
Speaker 10: just catching up here in the Bahamas. Yo, I can't
Speaker 10: believe there are actually people talking about my mother and
Speaker 10: then mentioning my daughter in a negative way. Was this
Speaker 10: really worth it? Smiah took this way too far. You're
Speaker 10: not innocent. While you're you got people discussing my mom
Speaker 10: because of a lie you told on this show.
Speaker 6: We're going to discuss it.
Speaker 10: Keep it between us now, let's discuss you sleeping with
Speaker 10: your manager who's married to one of your high school friends,
Speaker 10: as well as a pastor indicator who's one hundred on
Speaker 10: your roster, along with many more.
Speaker 6: Let's go.
Speaker 10: So, I guess it's blown up now between them even
Speaker 10: I mean it already was, but now it's like it's
Speaker 10: gonna get extra extra now.
Speaker 6: And that was from her page.
Speaker 10: I got the notes from the rain drops, you know, saying,
Speaker 10: oh my god, Portcha just released the statement. So I
Speaker 10: went and looked, and this is definitely from her page.
Speaker 10: Just so you know, I'm not making that up. That
Speaker 10: was the Twitter page that's for her verified account, right
Speaker 10: on the.
Speaker 9: Ground journalism, Claudia, motherfucking Jordan.
Speaker 6: That's a real journalist.
Speaker 9: That's a journalist. Yes, that was amazing.
Speaker 4: Okay, so we will we will unpick that. But Claudia,
Speaker 4: now that you have a floor, what are your thoughts
Speaker 4: on this?
Speaker 9: I love this show, Go ahead.
Speaker 6: I feel bad for Pinky because like when you when you.
Speaker 10: Like put all your value based on your career, I
Speaker 10: understand that you know, and you gotta like something.
Speaker 6: Sometimes you got to hit.
Speaker 10: Rock bottom to like get out of that and then
Speaker 10: find your value in other areas. I went through a
Speaker 10: period of that where I know that people only rock
Speaker 10: with me for whatever I was working on, or what
Speaker 10: money I had, or the things the access, and it
Speaker 10: becomes your personality and it's a little bit of a
Speaker 10: masculine trait, some might say, But like it's when you're
Speaker 10: in it, Like when it's good, it's good, right, So
Speaker 10: everybody's like making you feel good about Oh you a boss,
Speaker 10: do this, do that? So I get it's like intoxicating.
Speaker 10: But the negative part is when things aren't good, it
Speaker 10: feels like your entire life is crashing. Even though you
Speaker 10: still have a fantastic relationship you're with, you have a
Speaker 10: great man, your family, all those things. You can't even
Speaker 10: see the good things in your life because you're only
Speaker 10: focused on oh right now, business ain't popping, and you
Speaker 10: kind of forget about all the other things.
Speaker 6: And it does make her seem like one note.
Speaker 10: So this probably needed to happen for her to realize,
Speaker 10: you know, she's gonna have to go through this and
Speaker 10: see reevaluate who's around her. You know, and see she
Speaker 10: still got that man by her side of having her
Speaker 10: back and all the good things in her life, and
Speaker 10: she'll probably come out of us. Hopefully she comes out
Speaker 10: of this not putting so much on success, because success
Speaker 10: it comes and goes, right you popping for three years,
Speaker 10: you feast them then then then then as a famine,
Speaker 10: and then you can't let your whole personality just go
Speaker 10: out the door when when life ain't like when your
Speaker 10: money ain't right, you know, because like you know, when
Speaker 10: you say stuff like first world problems and a lot
Speaker 10: of people watching your show can't really relate to that.
Speaker 10: They're like, well, girl, by you know, you talking about
Speaker 10: twenty thousand, this we you this hour you lost keep
Speaker 10: out here making forty thousand a whole year.
Speaker 8: So hair fell out? Oh my god, I'm just playing.
Speaker 6: I had an I'm trying to in my life all
Speaker 6: I'm just playing.
Speaker 8: I just play.
Speaker 9: Actually, okay, I want to say something more serious today,
Speaker 9: so won okay Ooh actually I'm so happy you being
Speaker 9: who you are, Dustin.
Speaker 4: I love it for.
Speaker 8: Who you are.
Speaker 7: This morning, and okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna be transparent
Speaker 7: even though this is not my most highest paying gig
Speaker 7: It is actually.
Speaker 9: One of my favorites, if not my favorite.
Speaker 7: And I was thinking about different forms of currency today
Speaker 7: and I woke up super early and immediately started texting
Speaker 7: my team like, Hey, this is time sensitive. We're having
Speaker 7: a meeting tomorrow, X, Y and Z. Payrolls on ones
Speaker 7: and get your Like. I'm sending all this stuff the
Speaker 7: minute I wake up. And then at one point it
Speaker 7: hits me because my store has been closed for a
Speaker 7: couple of months. I spent fifteen K last week on inventory.
Speaker 9: And for a moment I felt very sad.
Speaker 7: So watching this this morning on Peacock, I was like, oh,
Speaker 7: this is a little triggering, friend, why'm watching this right now?
Speaker 7: And I remember walking to the bathroom this morning and
Speaker 7: thinking I just spent the last three hours doing all
Speaker 7: this big boss business shit. What would happen if I
Speaker 7: had a partner right now, he would have had to
Speaker 7: watch me all morning the side of my face. I
Speaker 7: probably wouldn't been said good morning to him. And I
Speaker 7: was like, I need to slow down if I want
Speaker 7: to sabor this. I'm finally living the life I've always
Speaker 7: dreamt of. And to Claudia's point, I'm too busy to
Speaker 7: actually live it, and it broke my heart because I
Speaker 7: was like Beyonce back in the days shout to the
Speaker 7: old Destiny Shows fans. She used to say, Hey, oh Carl,
Speaker 7: She used to say, hey, when we go to Japan,
Speaker 7: when we go to Australia, we go to all these countries.
Speaker 9: You guys don't realize I don't remember any of those countries.
Speaker 9: I'm gonna have to go on vacation and go back.
Speaker 9: I was there, but I wasn't there.
Speaker 7: And I realized I can be in a two hour
Speaker 7: uber and have no idea what we're driven because I've
Speaker 7: been sending emails the entire time. So that's all to say,
Speaker 7: I very much am in the phase of my life
Speaker 7: now where I am actually emulating a pinky. I'm not
Speaker 7: going bankrupt, thank God, knock on everything, including would I'm
Speaker 7: not going bankrupt. And still, even succeeding can be as
Speaker 7: stressful as failing. They don't tell you that about entrepreneurship.
Speaker 7: Success and failure are actually both stressful, right And I
Speaker 7: was thinking to myself, if somebody asks me to be
Speaker 7: vulnerable right now, would I be able? Luckily, shouts of therapy,
Speaker 7: I can. But when I asked us in that question
Speaker 7: and just just said no, it's strategy. Because I said no,
Speaker 7: I think it's a little bit of both. A part
Speaker 7: of me thinks this is an opportunity for Pinky. I
Speaker 7: think she's gonna have to confront herself if she chooses
Speaker 7: to and say no, Hey, what I'm going through is valid,
Speaker 7: and maybe I haven't fed the other parts of me
Speaker 7: that would naturally come out because I'm not feeding them
Speaker 7: in real life.
Speaker 9: To Dustin Sport, she's consistent.
Speaker 4: She's not taking a competition with her husband.
Speaker 6: What what what? What?
Speaker 7: What?
Speaker 4: What? We have to say that? Why your part out loud?
Speaker 4: One thing that I will.
Speaker 1: Agree with Marcel Scott Love and matag Hunt's shameless plug,
Speaker 1: and I said, one of the things I agree with, Okay,
Speaker 1: new season is fall. One thing I agree with is
Speaker 1: I agree that listen. I think it's cute to be
Speaker 1: a power couple. I think it sounds good. I think
Speaker 1: it looks good on paper. I think it looks good
Speaker 1: when you go to the Mayor's ball. I think it
Speaker 1: looks good when you are traveling and you both in
Speaker 1: first class and you'll both are able to do it.
Speaker 1: I think that's one of the full congratulations, have your birthday,
Speaker 1: but let's have a real conversation.
Speaker 4: One hundred. Let me not say too much job because
Speaker 4: I forgot people scroll through my page.
Speaker 1: One thing, I will say, a large majority of the
Speaker 1: power couples I know their marriage or their relationship.
Speaker 8: It is not great.
Speaker 4: It's not great.
Speaker 1: I know for a fact that ninety five percent of
Speaker 1: married couples who are the presenting power couple, they're in
Speaker 1: secret competition with each other.
Speaker 4: But one person's up and the other person's down.
Speaker 1: Baby, that dynamic breeds issues in the relationship.
Speaker 4: It absolutely does.
Speaker 1: That's making at one thousand percent. Does We saw it
Speaker 1: on Loving Mash Huntsville. I'm not gonna name names wash
Speaker 1: the season. We just talked about Lticia and Glenn. Latitia
Speaker 1: was a housewife who started making money, and she has
Speaker 1: the audacity, in Glenn's eyes, to ask for a post
Speaker 1: up because.
Speaker 4: Your weight up, you know what was good.
Speaker 1: So the thing is, I do believe that Pinky is
Speaker 1: going through an emotional situation, but I think Pinky is
Speaker 1: tapped in the wrong thing. And I'm being real that
Speaker 1: that moment of this is rich people's problems. That wasn't
Speaker 1: for the girls, that was for you Bravo audience.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it.
Speaker 7: Just did not.
Speaker 8: It felt it didn't land right. It was not, it
Speaker 8: did not. It just didn't land well with the.
Speaker 3: And I just think Pinky is just making choices that
Speaker 3: are not resulting in her being entertaining as entertaining as
Speaker 3: she thinks she is. And I think that after editing
Speaker 3: herself right watching the showback editing herself, hearing what Carlos
Speaker 3: just said, seeing what the fandom has had to say,
Speaker 3: I think that Pinky will edit herself a little bit.
Speaker 3: But I just think that these are rookie mistakes from her.
Speaker 3: I just think that she has worn everyone's patience thin
Speaker 3: with bankruptcy talk business related issues this series that we
Speaker 3: didn't need to know anything about all of that other stuff.
Speaker 3: I think she's just exhausted us with that.
Speaker 8: Yeah. That, and you know, min tel Jordan.
Speaker 9: And where are we right now?
Speaker 10: Okay, in the beginning, we were like excited when Pinky
Speaker 10: was like showing her relationship with her husband, and that's
Speaker 10: when we were like the most intrigued and she could
Speaker 10: actually help some of our problem a little bit by
Speaker 10: opening up more in that area, because that would actually
Speaker 10: make her a.
Speaker 6: More of a more dominant, prominent.
Speaker 10: Housewife, thereby increasing her pay, thereby helping her with their
Speaker 10: financial issues. Like, focus less on the money problems and
Speaker 10: focus on the relationship. You'll be more relatable, more love
Speaker 10: and sexy.
Speaker 7: She just makes sex jokes about him. I'm getting tired
Speaker 7: of the pinky she gonna talks about her husband's penis.
Speaker 7: I'm tired of the sex jokes, Hurricane Michelle. We're all
Speaker 7: being weird with the sex this season.
Speaker 10: When girls try too hard to be sexy and like
Speaker 10: do too much, it's like it's so like obvious and annoying,
Speaker 10: like when they like.
Speaker 9: Do you want me my provocative nose?
Speaker 10: Like, oh, like yes, think of me in a sexual way. Relax,
Speaker 10: come down, It's okay, girl, like all of.
Speaker 7: You and all your husbands, Kame Sell, what are you
Speaker 7: talking about? You can't put on makeup to go to dinner, seriously,
Speaker 7: but now you want to aboy's husband.
Speaker 9: Relax.
Speaker 1: Sorry, So we're going all right, So the moment that
Speaker 1: you all have been waiting for, we're gonna get into
Speaker 1: the dinner scene that occurred at the end of episode.
Speaker 4: Go ahead, Okay, you're just gonna be looking like our u.
Speaker 10: Carlos the bottle drinking, you know, Carlos drinking like some
Speaker 10: cocon Kiwi water.
Speaker 8: It's a tequila knife for me, I thought about drinking.
Speaker 9: Well we're not, but you don't have any beverage at all.
Speaker 6: We can't know a thirsty as hell, but you know.
Speaker 9: This segment, please drink something, please?
Speaker 4: All right, so we all have our Okay.
Speaker 6: Hey, excuse me?
Speaker 12: Is that because the urge of a man who's going,
Speaker 12: oh really, but you won't okay, girl, the crime?
Speaker 8: Okay, you can't hear me though? All right, Well, yes,
Speaker 8: I'm six one flex.
Speaker 9: That's so flex. I'm a broad back six foot one man.
Speaker 4: So sorry, that's okay. Okay.
Speaker 1: So now we're at the moment that everybody's been waiting for.
Speaker 1: So there at the table and Drew Dora brings up
Speaker 1: to Porsche that Dennis says.
Speaker 8: That, you know he She.
Speaker 4: Asked Dennis if he misses if he misses Porsche.
Speaker 1: Dennis said that Porscha doesn't want him, right, and Porsche
Speaker 1: made a phase like what you're talking about. And the
Speaker 1: ladies did ask Porsche if Mike was a threat to Dennis,
Speaker 1: and she mentioned that, honestly, it's more sway that he
Speaker 1: seems to like, have a problem with. But she said, look,
Speaker 1: we could be who we are and we are amazing
Speaker 1: great co parents and because of that, you know, listen,
Speaker 1: she doesn't bring anyone around Polar that she doesn't think
Speaker 1: it's good for her because she does not play about Polar.
Speaker 4: Okay. In that moment, Samiyah brings up to Porsche.
Speaker 1: That Dennis and Gerald, Shamia's husband, had a conversation and
Speaker 1: that supposedly Porsche said that she was not comfortable with
Speaker 1: Polar around shamirh.
Speaker 4: And Gerald and Shemiah said that was hurtful.
Speaker 1: Porscha said, if someone doesn't like me or has ill
Speaker 1: willed towards me, I am not going to have them
Speaker 1: at your house. Whatever I want to stop there, I'll
Speaker 1: start by saying, I agree with Porsche in this moment. Okay,
Speaker 1: if me and my best friend are not cool, sorry,
Speaker 1: not sorry, our kids aren't going to be cool.
Speaker 4: And that's how I was raised.
Speaker 1: Okay, when my mom rested in heaven, my dad who's alive.
Speaker 1: If they fell out with somebody, we were not allowed
Speaker 1: to play with the kids anymore. My mother was not
Speaker 1: above it all to say, well, let the kids be kids. No,
Speaker 1: my mother said I don't trust this woman who was
Speaker 1: my friend for y'all be in her house. I don't
Speaker 1: trust it. I don't trust it. So I actually agree
Speaker 1: with Porscha. If I'm not cool with you, my kids
Speaker 1: ain't gonna be cool.
Speaker 4: With your kids.
Speaker 8: One hundred motherfucking percent.
Speaker 3: This is a This is common damn sense as many
Speaker 3: fucking worst neighbor ever worst all them documentaries and shit
Speaker 3: all over Netflix about people kids beating people's kids up
Speaker 3: in private, all that other stuff. Why in the hell
Speaker 3: what I send my most prized possession to a home
Speaker 3: of someone who is literally my adversary. That doesn't even
Speaker 3: make sense, especially when it's somebody that I used to
Speaker 3: be cool with. Those are the people who end up
Speaker 3: murdering motherfuckers all that other kind of shit like so
Speaker 3: Porscha made even Porsche even went a step further and said,
Speaker 3: the only person who I would feel safe leaving my
Speaker 3: daughter around after things that have happened, but after the
Speaker 3: things that have happened between us have happened, would be
Speaker 3: my sister to me. She made that as plain as
Speaker 3: she could, and I told totally felt where she was
Speaker 3: coming from, and I think it spoke to the performative
Speaker 3: nature of some of the things that Shamiah can do.
Speaker 3: When it comes to best of this friend, a sister, this,
Speaker 3: all that other stuff, Shemiah.
Speaker 8: Would have found.
Speaker 3: Peace, or she would have found she would have found
Speaker 3: comfort in knowing the fact that, Okay, even though we're
Speaker 3: beefed out, she's still willing to play the game and
Speaker 3: let our kids play together. So let's pretend that we
Speaker 3: have this friendship that eclipses our feelings at the moment,
Speaker 3: and we both still want our kids to play. When
Speaker 3: Porsta's like, no, you've crossed certain lines with me that
Speaker 3: I don't feel safe leaving my kid over there.
Speaker 8: And I totally felt where she was coming from with that. Totally.
Speaker 7: I debated sharing this, but I do think I love
Speaker 7: that Dustin made this point. My grandmother and this is God.
Speaker 7: It's not me sharing a quick tea. My grandmother passed
Speaker 7: away and there was a lot of suspicions about her
Speaker 7: best friend being involved. Several years later, Yeah, it's a
Speaker 7: whole family thing. Several years later, I'm a kid in Boston.
Speaker 7: I go to the house of a family back from
Speaker 7: the part of Haiti that my family's from. We're hanging
Speaker 7: out and a woman walks in and says, you look,
Speaker 7: I look as likely like my mama.
Speaker 9: I look people. She's like, aren't you related to so
Speaker 9: and so?
Speaker 6: To Lusma?
Speaker 7: I said, yeah, I went home that day sick. There
Speaker 7: was something in the food. I had to go to
Speaker 7: the hospital and have my stomach pumped.
Speaker 9: It was like a whole thing. I'm being so serious.
Speaker 7: And when my mother found out who was in the house,
Speaker 7: she started screaming because she was like, you know, they
Speaker 7: don't fuck with our family.
Speaker 9: You know exactly what the hell. It was like a
Speaker 9: whole scandal in my family. But I was the kid.
Speaker 9: I was.
Speaker 7: I was the pillar in the situation, right, And so
Speaker 7: I say that to say for me, I don't know
Speaker 7: if it's a Black American thing, a black thing in
Speaker 7: general across the diaspora. We're always funny about who alse
Speaker 7: going to be there when the kids are going someplace,
Speaker 7: because you understand that the checks and bouncers that have
Speaker 7: in my home might not be the checks and bounces
Speaker 7: that you have in your home. There's a story on
Speaker 7: the news right now, so let's not be tone deaf
Speaker 7: a sortin news right now, But a young man who
Speaker 7: went out with the wrong group of friends see and
Speaker 7: now his family is morning right, And so I think
Speaker 7: there's a certain and I agree with Dustin there's a
Speaker 7: certain manipulation. Because I always have I'm gonna say this honestly,
Speaker 7: I always have sympathy for Shamia because I think she's
Speaker 7: a good person who's low functioning and has bad coping skills.
Speaker 7: And her bad coping skills are being mistaken for malice.
Speaker 7: So I think agreed is that she's immature and that
Speaker 7: doesn't have any emotional regulation. Sma called me baby, I
Speaker 7: won't even tell nobody, So she just needs a culch
Speaker 7: and a.
Speaker 4: Therapist, right.
Speaker 9: I don't think she's a bad person.
Speaker 8: That's exactly how I feel about her.
Speaker 7: And feigning confusion as a black woman married to a
Speaker 7: Kenyan man about why someone who doesn't effort you doesn't
Speaker 7: want their kids over feels fraudulent to me.
Speaker 9: That's nothing to be confused about.
Speaker 10: Although I have not one drop of me believes that
Speaker 10: Shmiyah would ever give you anything, polar or any I
Speaker 10: do not think she has any malice. I do not
Speaker 10: think she's gonna I think her beef with Porscha is Porscha.
Speaker 10: I do not think that smid for one second, would
Speaker 10: harm that child, do.
Speaker 6: Anything wrong to that child.
Speaker 10: I agree with not having my kids or at someone's
Speaker 10: house that I don't deal with. You are right about that,
Speaker 10: but I don't think, I do not think that Shmida
Speaker 10: is in any way, shape or form a threat.
Speaker 6: As a mom saying hey man, we ain't cool, then
Speaker 6: our kids ain't gonna be cool. And might I make
Speaker 6: an argument if the mamas.
Speaker 10: Would have had the same attitude, we wouldn't be here
Speaker 10: where we are today.
Speaker 1: That part, that part, now, that's that's that's okay. When
Speaker 1: you cook, you cook, all right. So moving into the
Speaker 1: next moment at the table, because this is so much going.
Speaker 6: On, okay, is moving so fast? People are so like.
Speaker 4: My moderator said, she can't even put up comments because.
Speaker 6: Ten thousand people in the in the watching us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, we have over ten thousand people a live
Speaker 1: and thank you all the rain jobs and I'll read
Speaker 1: your super chats after this. So Porsche, as Dustin said,
Speaker 1: that's when Porscha did say, the only person I would
Speaker 1: do this for is my sisters. Then Shemia said, well,
Speaker 1: you said we were like sisters. There's a difference between
Speaker 1: blood sister and we're like so, but I don't think listen,
Speaker 1: I think all.
Speaker 8: Are Shemiah would never hurt that baby, She would never
Speaker 8: hurt you.
Speaker 7: No.
Speaker 4: I think we all agree with that, But we also
Speaker 4: all agree with said were like sisters.
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that she sees you as her blood sister, right,
Speaker 1: So I think we all okay agree with that. Porscha
Speaker 1: then said there were things said last year where she
Speaker 1: thought they were friends up.
Speaker 4: Until that point.
Speaker 1: The producers flashed back to Angela telling Porsche Samia talks
Speaker 1: about her and feels there's something going on there friendship.
Speaker 1: They also flashed back to the moment where Shemiah saying
Speaker 1: to Porsche she wishes they had the friendship on camera
Speaker 1: that they do off camera, and Porsha allegedly said they
Speaker 1: would have to pay me more money for that to happen.
Speaker 1: Within that moment, it's when Samia revealed bah.
Speaker 11: YouTube don't don't when when she revealed the first drop right,
Speaker 11: she said, Porsche said to Samia allegedly that she did
Speaker 11: not want her to be part of this friend group.
Speaker 4: I either show and said, you sing, you act, you dance,
Speaker 4: you through the hawks. I don't want you on Housewives Okay.
Speaker 1: The biggest thing that has happened that we talked about
Speaker 1: all last season was whether or not Porsche wanted her
Speaker 1: best friend to be of the show. When I interview Porsche,
Speaker 1: I asked her that question specifically, she said, with all
Speaker 1: due respect, I won't ever speak of her again because
Speaker 1: she gets something to me so egregious. Right, So she
Speaker 1: said that I did ask for Meiya, because I'm a
Speaker 1: fair journalist. Hey, Claudia, as a fair journalist, I did
Speaker 1: ask Shmiya. Shamia pretty much said the same thing to
Speaker 1: me that she said here. I want us to have
Speaker 1: a conversation about this before we get to what they said.
Speaker 1: The biggest thing that I do think happened besides Claudia
Speaker 1: clocking it with if y'all mothers had that same energy,
Speaker 1: we ain't fucking with each other so our kids want,
Speaker 1: then perhaps y'all won't be in the situation. Although Shemia
Speaker 1: did said my podcast that her and Portia had years
Speaker 1: of not speaking to each other, but they reunited around
Speaker 1: ports of divorcing Cordell.
Speaker 9: That's what Shemiah said, They reunited right when she got
Speaker 9: big on the show.
Speaker 4: Huh, go ahead, I want to impact that's in a minute.
Speaker 1: I want to have a conversation about this, and I'll
Speaker 1: start because I don't have a problem with how people
Speaker 1: will take this coming from me. I have a best
Speaker 1: friend where we've been best friends since we were twelve
Speaker 1: years old.
Speaker 4: His birthday was last Saturday. His name is Gregory Dean.
Speaker 4: Hey greg Dean Birthday. We've been friends for over thirty years.
Speaker 1: If I and I want to be very clear with this,
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about my career now doing what I'm doing.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about being on a reality show. Because we
Speaker 1: got to be very specific. Porch is on a reality
Speaker 1: show called The Real Housewives of Atlanta where that show,
Speaker 1: like the other reality shows, enfranchises are reading each other,
Speaker 1: seekerts get revealed in all those things. I'm gonna make
Speaker 1: a very clear and plain show. Is on a reality
Speaker 1: show where she has seen Mimi and Cynthia fall out
Speaker 1: and expose each other. She has seen Candy and Phaedra
Speaker 1: fallout expose each other. Okay, she has seen this. I'm
Speaker 1: telling you right now. If I was on a reality
Speaker 1: show and my best friend said I want to join,
Speaker 1: I would tell him I don't want you to be
Speaker 1: on the show. And the thing is this, Portia has
Speaker 1: every right to say how she feels. I personally feel
Speaker 1: that if she did say that, there's nothing wrong with it,
Speaker 1: because if I'm seeing how this show not the producer's fault.
Speaker 4: There is something about the way these shows work.
Speaker 1: The difference between those girls is they met on the show,
Speaker 1: except Candy and Phaedra.
Speaker 4: But Candy and Phaedra became closer because of the show.
Speaker 1: And I don't know y'all know that Candy and Phaser
Speaker 1: before Housewives, they weren't friends.
Speaker 4: They were friendly, Okay, they became close because of the show.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything wrong if Portia does not
Speaker 1: want shouldn't be on the show, because I would not
Speaker 1: want my best friend on a reality show knowing what
Speaker 1: could happen.
Speaker 4: So I wanted to post the question to the panel.
Speaker 1: Would you want your best friend to be on a
Speaker 1: reality show with you that you have known.
Speaker 4: Since you were teens and y'all know secrets about each other?
Speaker 1: I want to start with Claudia, because Claudia, you are
Speaker 1: a reality star, and you have a you and and
Speaker 1: have been best friends for years.
Speaker 4: I don't know how long I'm been best friends. Would
Speaker 4: you your.
Speaker 1: Best friend who knows your secret to be on a
Speaker 1: reality show with you where you don't.
Speaker 4: Have producer credit. It's Housewives and you know what it is.
Speaker 10: Yes, Okay, I have faith and trust in the people
Speaker 10: that I choose to have as friends. There's no world
Speaker 10: why I'll think that us going on a reality show
Speaker 10: is gonna destroy our friendship.
Speaker 6: You know what I mean?
Speaker 10: Like, what kind of friends are you? Are you surf
Speaker 10: as friends? Are you kicking at friends? Are you hanging
Speaker 10: out friends? Are you the kind of friends that I'm
Speaker 10: mad day you over here telling all my business when
Speaker 10: I haven't told yours. I actually want to work with
Speaker 10: people that I'm cool with now. I do need a
Speaker 10: couple of people I'm sort of not be my best friend,
Speaker 10: so we can beef with them, but not each other.
Speaker 6: I think a lot of the.
Speaker 10: Energy between pors and Shmiya is based on Porscha not
Speaker 10: feeling a way about her friend, who has all the
Speaker 10: things that most people would want, the marriage, the money,
Speaker 10: the wealth, they all that stuff that who doesn't want that?
Speaker 6: Now on top of that, you got the one thing
Speaker 6: that I had over you.
Speaker 10: I mean, for certain people, it ain't gonna feel fun
Speaker 10: and ain't gonna feel you know, not anybody wants to
Speaker 10: share that, And why wouldn't you want your best friend
Speaker 10: on the show.
Speaker 6: I would think that'd be my best outly to have
Speaker 6: my back. That's that's my opinion.
Speaker 10: I mean, I pictures with some of my closest friends,
Speaker 10: and I'm excited to share that with them.
Speaker 6: But I also have friends for thirty years.
Speaker 1: But I want to ask you this because you obviously
Speaker 1: were on the Real Hospitals Balanta, So based on the
Speaker 1: real Hospitals Blanta, would you still feel that way?
Speaker 6: I mean I was on there. Well it wasn't Kenny
Speaker 6: wasn't a best friend, But yeah, I feel the same
Speaker 6: way because it goes the way you choose to let
Speaker 6: it go. You know, your whole life isn't just what's
Speaker 6: on camera. You have sidebar comes and hey girl, let's
Speaker 6: not go there, blah blahlah blah. You have your conversations
Speaker 6: to the off camera were you're talking.
Speaker 10: You know what boundaries and to not cross like the show,
Speaker 10: you know, I mean, like we choose to not hurt
Speaker 10: each other, right, to try to do our best.
Speaker 6: Maybe sometimes there are a couple of things that get
Speaker 6: said where it's like ouch, but we choose to not
Speaker 6: go there. You can choose to not go there. You
Speaker 6: have a choice.
Speaker 10: I am willing to go there and blow up everything
Speaker 10: for the sake of a show or a scene, or
Speaker 10: I'm not. And no matter what you try to tell me, producer, I'm.
Speaker 6: Not doing it. You don't have to No one's you
Speaker 6: don't have to do it. You don't.
Speaker 10: They could have chose to say, look, no matter what,
Speaker 10: me and I Morosa had a pack, but we weren't
Speaker 10: best friends. Let's not try to do anything drag each
Speaker 10: other until they try to get us to the top four.
Speaker 10: You can have these conversations. But what happens is I
Speaker 10: think when Shimiya got on the show, she had a.
Speaker 6: Lot of attention. I don't think Porsche have expected that.
Speaker 10: Now we did fizzle out and it went back to
Speaker 10: default settings, where Porsche went back to being you know,
Speaker 10: the star. But for a minute, remember he was like,
Speaker 10: hold now, you don't think that girl saw that and
Speaker 10: felt that and made her feel away.
Speaker 6: Even the most secure person is not gonna like that you.
Speaker 6: This is your shit, This is your shit.
Speaker 10: Here comes someone else that never had interest, now you
Speaker 10: and my shit, And now people are kind of seeming up.
Speaker 6: They liking you more than me. Of course, I'm going
Speaker 6: of course the problems if you ain't cure, you know,
Speaker 6: not having those conversations. I get it. I get why
Speaker 6: Porscha feel away. I'm not even dragging her for that.
Speaker 6: I get it.
Speaker 10: You know, it's unfortunate though, like I, it's unfortunate they
Speaker 10: couldn't say, look, no matter what when I crossing these lines.
Speaker 10: But their beef and about lines me across on the show.
Speaker 10: Their beef beef to me originated because Porsche did not
Speaker 10: like her friend getting being on the same levels her,
Speaker 10: because that's always something she was always gonna have over Shamia. Goddamn,
Speaker 10: you got the husband, the money, the long marriage, family
Speaker 10: like you got all that, and on top of that,
Speaker 10: you now you're in my area too.
Speaker 6: I understand how that would feel. I get it. I
Speaker 6: get how she would feel away.
Speaker 4: I'm not a lady.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a little different when it comes to shit
Speaker 3: like this. I don't think it's no place or no
Speaker 3: space for like jealousy and envy and resentment of that sort,
Speaker 3: and like relate a friendship.
Speaker 8: I just don't. I don't play them games with my friends.
Speaker 3: I don't be getting into it with my friends and shit,
Speaker 3: and we if we have something we need to discuss.
Speaker 3: I'm very clear about my intention of not wanting our
Speaker 3: friendship to go on the wayside over whatever it is. Like,
Speaker 3: I just think that there's always an option outside of
Speaker 3: egregious wrongdoing, right. I think there's always an option for
Speaker 3: you to exercise some patience, some wisdom and move with
Speaker 3: a view towards sustaining your friendship. And I think that
Speaker 3: that will kind of protect you in an environment where
Speaker 3: your friendship is at risk, like shooting a reality show.
Speaker 3: There's no way I would be on a reality show
Speaker 3: and have access to certain opportunity and life changing opportunities
Speaker 3: and shit, and they show interest in one of my
Speaker 3: best friends and I try to block them from having that.
Speaker 8: I just wouldn't do that, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I would want you to benefit from this situation positively,
Speaker 3: even if it meant me working a little bit harder
Speaker 3: at managing my emotions to make sure that it went right.
Speaker 3: That's a price I'm willing to pray because to pay.
Speaker 3: Excuse me, because I love my friends for real, So like,
Speaker 3: if it means I have to be a little bit
Speaker 3: more patient, I'm willing to do that. But that does
Speaker 3: not negate the point that you just made, Carlosa, has
Speaker 3: nothing to do with you not wanting your best friend
Speaker 3: to have opportunity or have success or have, you know,
Speaker 3: make that sort of progress. You don't want to risk
Speaker 3: fracturing this lifelong bond, this thirty plus year bond with
Speaker 3: that person. So you're not saying you don't want them
Speaker 3: on the show from a place of jealousy or envy
Speaker 3: or wanting to retain this unique experience for yourself. You
Speaker 3: don't want to risk your friendship. At least that's what
Speaker 3: I'm perceiving.
Speaker 1: And I'll make a clear and blue I want you
Speaker 1: to close it off for us. I will say this,
Speaker 1: and what has happened today, I'm being very vulnerable to
Speaker 1: you guys. Like I said, I have no regrets in
Speaker 1: my life because everything's a lesson. If I had to
Speaker 1: live my life all over again with my career, I
Speaker 1: won't ever work with a friend.
Speaker 8: Really no.
Speaker 1: And I want to be clear because the thing again
Speaker 1: we're talking about nuanced. I consider you three my friends
Speaker 1: and we work together.
Speaker 9: But this is very many of us have them.
Speaker 1: Uh huh yeah, yeah, So but it's a very This
Speaker 1: is a very nuanced conversation, which is why I wanted
Speaker 1: to stick to like the reality show.
Speaker 4: I also one of my best friends this weekend and.
Speaker 1: He and I were both we just had a moment
Speaker 1: of reflection, like when we first met we were in
Speaker 1: our twenties, and he was like, what do you want
Speaker 1: to do, bitch? And I'm like, I want to have
Speaker 1: my on talk show and he was and then he
Speaker 1: told me his dreams and I'm like, we want to
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 4: He's like yeah.
Speaker 1: Just this past weekend, we were laughing because we both
Speaker 1: said we're both doing it exactly what we wanted to do.
Speaker 1: Like we literally have sat there and we never because
Speaker 1: we don't talk about like that. But we had a
Speaker 1: sweet moment like look at us, like we both are
Speaker 1: doing everything we said.
Speaker 4: We would do twenty years later. So I'm with you.
Speaker 4: I'd love to see my friends win.
Speaker 1: I think the difference is just like they said, working
Speaker 1: with kids and animals on TV or working with your
Speaker 1: working with your wife or your husband.
Speaker 4: I'm here to say I know for a fact, working
Speaker 4: with friends in a capacity where one person.
Speaker 1: Is the boss and y'all have y'all have, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be specific again, y'all have a twenty year friendship.
Speaker 4: I'm telling you it doesn't work. It didn't work for me.
Speaker 4: Now I'm listen.
Speaker 8: There's exceptions to every rule right right right right.
Speaker 1: From my experience, unless somebody can say you're the boss,
Speaker 1: and I bout down to the to you being the
Speaker 1: boss and I know how to set up rate it.
Speaker 4: I'm telling you right now it sounds good. I'm telling
Speaker 4: you it don't feel good.
Speaker 3: But I think you should be able to do that
Speaker 3: as a friend. This is your show that we're working
Speaker 3: on right now, It's clear this is your show. I
Speaker 3: understand that you know what I'm saying, and it's not
Speaker 3: something that I have to swallow down or try to
Speaker 3: make myself be able to take. No, I'm happy that
Speaker 3: this is your show, and I'm grateful to be participating
Speaker 3: on your shows. I like that this is your shit.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, because I'm happy you popping
Speaker 3: like that. I just think that it depends. I think
Speaker 3: that there has to be a complete absence of any
Speaker 3: funny shit in the friendship for it to work. And
Speaker 3: I think that that is a unique circumstance you're referring to.
Speaker 4: But I do think. I do think all of our
Speaker 4: defenses the four of us did not grow up together.
Speaker 8: True, that's very true too, and that does that is relevant.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and that's why.
Speaker 9: Yeah, go ahead, by no, I just want my points.
Speaker 9: I just want to make sure we fire.
Speaker 4: I want to lose it.
Speaker 7: So two things. First thing is I only work with
Speaker 7: my friends currently, everybody who works with me, and I
Speaker 7: even whenever they work with me. The first speech I
Speaker 7: give is, even though I'm the one who's cutting the.
Speaker 9: Checks, you don't work for me, you work with me.
Speaker 7: I'm really good at being an employer to friends and
Speaker 7: keeping them safe and having zero ego even as the leader.
Speaker 9: I don't have any friends who can get that back
Speaker 9: to me without fucking up.
Speaker 7: So I want to say, respectfully, let's all be mindful
Speaker 7: not to virtue signal just because people have different boundaries,
Speaker 7: because those boundaries don't mean I'm insecure. Those boundaries don't
Speaker 7: mean that I don't want them to have blessings. It
Speaker 7: means I have discernment about who's able when who's not.
Speaker 7: Not all your fucking friends are able. I have a
Speaker 7: friend who I had for twenty five years whenever I
Speaker 7: worked for him, it was easy. Whenever he worked for me,
Speaker 7: it was problems. I recognize, Oh, I have no ego
Speaker 7: working for you, but you have an ego working for me.
Speaker 7: Loved him for twenty five fucking years. So look the
Speaker 7: easy one. Acting as if not working with friends means
Speaker 7: you're insecure, you want to be superior or really victimize
Speaker 7: mindsets that are basically demonizing people's boundaries. And that is
Speaker 7: part of Shmia's problem, right, because you have to be
Speaker 7: in a space where somebody can set a boundary with
Speaker 7: you and you don't have to make a fairy tale
Speaker 7: about how.
Speaker 9: They suck just because you can't take no.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And so what I want to say about the
Speaker 7: conversation that I feel very passionate about as an EQ
Speaker 7: coach more than somebody who employs my friends. If someone
Speaker 7: says to you and they're being honest, hey friend, I
Speaker 7: know you want to work with me. You listen to
Speaker 7: this through the not the less of demonizing anybody, but
Speaker 7: just being objective.
Speaker 9: Hey friend, I think you're talented. You're beautiful, you're funny,
Speaker 9: you're smart, you have a great personality. You can sing,
Speaker 9: you can act, you can dance, You are a literal star.
Speaker 9: You have all these things going for you. You and
Speaker 9: I fell out because of what was happening with our mother.
Speaker 7: We just got back together as friends at a moment
Speaker 7: where I'm going through a divorce. I'm at a moment
Speaker 7: now where I've lost everything. I need something to be mine.
Speaker 9: You see how there's no insecurity in that.
Speaker 7: It's actually a reasonable fucking boundary, right. I need something
Speaker 7: to be mine. And I know because you're a star,
Speaker 7: I need an ally. You're not an ally. You're another star.
Speaker 9: I actually need an ally right now. And so I
Speaker 9: tell you, as my friend, do you know how much
Speaker 9: courage it takes while you're going through a divorce in
Speaker 9: public embarrassment, and if I'm on Twitter that you were
Speaker 9: getting left to have a friend come back and she's
Speaker 9: offered the show and you got admit to her that
Speaker 9: you ain't got it to give, do you know how
Speaker 9: much courage it takes to be that honest? Love it
Speaker 9: or loathed, it's honest.
Speaker 7: Right. I need something to be about me right now.
Speaker 7: I need this to be about me. And because you're
Speaker 7: a star, I don't think you're built to be an ally.
Speaker 7: I need an ally. But you're too big to be
Speaker 7: an ally I tell you that to your face in
Speaker 7: that moment. You have three options. This is me stepping
Speaker 7: into my coaching back for a second, it's not even
Speaker 7: about three album show. Your first option is to admit
Speaker 7: that you don't like and we have an uncomfortable conversation
Speaker 7: about what that means. Admit that I set a reasonable
Speaker 7: boundary and you don't like it. That's the first option, right,
Speaker 7: I was honest and you're honest back. The second option
Speaker 7: is a faun which is a form of covert manipulation
Speaker 7: to pretend you're cool with it while feeling away about
Speaker 7: it the entire fucking time. Now, a seed of resentment
Speaker 7: has been planted. I'm thinking, I warned you and we're good.
Speaker 7: Whole time you feel away, but are pretending to be
Speaker 7: a part of the program. Right, that's the seed of
Speaker 7: lie that creates resentment, even when you're a good person.
Speaker 7: Because if you lie to yourself and then you lie
Speaker 7: to me, the entire premise of the next eleven years
Speaker 7: of me thinking, you know, I only want you as
Speaker 7: an ally, and you agreeing, hoping I'll change my mind,
Speaker 7: not knowing I meant that shit, it means over years,
Speaker 7: your resentment starts to grow like a weed because you
Speaker 7: lied to yourself, and then you lie to me. But
Speaker 7: now you've convince yourself you've made up a story. Well,
Speaker 7: a good friend would want me to have this. Your
Speaker 7: friend told you she didn't have to give them, Well
Speaker 7: a good friend you start, I'm making up all these
Speaker 7: fairy tales forgetting she told you she didn't have it
Speaker 7: from the very beginning of this fucking relationship. And now
Speaker 7: you lying to yourself and me meaning what the fuck
Speaker 7: I said, has now turned me into a demon in
Speaker 7: your eyes. You think I'm a selfish, entitled monster, when
Speaker 7: whole time I know who I was at the beginning.
Speaker 9: I didn't lie to you.
Speaker 3: If you were clear about your feelings. Right, if you
Speaker 3: allow and blue, this is where you can help me
Speaker 3: with this. Right if you allow the other person then
Speaker 3: to operate and function, and you know that they are
Speaker 3: having a different expectation or whatever, and you just are
Speaker 3: resting on the fact that, well, I kept healing in
Speaker 3: the beginning. So I'm gonna go ahead and read these
Speaker 3: benefits of being around you and engaging you or whatever,
Speaker 3: even though I know that in your mind this is
Speaker 3: moving towards something else or evolving our relationship. Right, But
Speaker 3: when you call me out about it and call me
Speaker 3: a manipulator, I can now say I told you and
Speaker 3: to be what was up?
Speaker 8: So you're wrong for villafying me. Help me with that piece.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I gona help you with that, because here's the
Speaker 7: thing that we don't talk about enough. You don't always
Speaker 7: immediately know somebody's lying for themselves. We'll have a friend
Speaker 7: who say I've changed, I've changed, I've changed, and you're excited,
Speaker 7: and then you realize, oh, no, they're relapsing. They've already
Speaker 7: gotten you to engage. The water is at your hip.
Speaker 7: Now you're wet, right, And here's where the thing that
Speaker 7: Shemiah does that. I think that's why Porsche Porsha. Honestly,
Speaker 7: I'm I'm not giving for Porsche. I think Porscha sometimes
Speaker 7: when we think she's being sleeky, she's actually showing grace
Speaker 7: and pity. I think there are moments where over the
Speaker 7: years when we've seen this in Carlos and thus I
Speaker 7: know your historians, we've seen moments of Porsche going ooh
Speaker 7: and kind of pulling away, right. I think over the
Speaker 7: years she started to realize the thing that I was
Speaker 7: worried about the thing that I was was in you
Speaker 7: that would create this I'm seeing it now. She even
Speaker 7: said it in this episode. She said, say look in
Speaker 7: her eyes, and I know that look when I see it,
Speaker 7: and it's a look, a movement and negativity.
Speaker 9: And whatever else.
Speaker 7: Right. And so what I'm saying is sometimes when your
Speaker 7: friends lie to themselves and you believe them, and then
Speaker 7: you realize that they can't carry on the agreement, you
Speaker 7: start moving differently because we're already in it. Now, you're
Speaker 7: on the show. Now, I can't fire you. And I
Speaker 7: think a lot of the times when we've seen Portshell
Speaker 7: pull away from Smiah. I'm not saying she's without fault.
Speaker 7: I'm not saying she's not. To y'all's point, she's a
Speaker 7: great reality star, right, But if I've agreed to something
Speaker 7: and you're not keeping up your hold of the bargain.
Speaker 9: But I know we need the show to be cute,
Speaker 9: I'm gonna be cordial.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna do what I've been doing all season. If
Speaker 7: they mention your name, I'm gonna I'm gonna go to
Speaker 7: the store and buy me some milk. If they bring
Speaker 7: up something nasty, I'm gonna leave because I've now recognized
Speaker 7: I can't trust you because you breached our agreement, but
Speaker 7: I respect the ecosystem of the franchise that we're both
Speaker 7: beholden to. And because I'm the lead and the big
Speaker 7: face in the middle when you look at the avatar
Speaker 7: on Peacock, I know I gotta keep this going whether
Speaker 7: you lie to me or not. So I'll keep it
Speaker 7: cute as long as you stay over there and I
Speaker 7: stay over here.
Speaker 9: I'm not saying I'm kicking.
Speaker 7: I'm saying that if Shemiah had told the truth from
Speaker 7: the beginning, that she had the expectation that to Claudia's
Speaker 7: point and your point that, oh, you're gonna be generous whatever,
Speaker 7: they could have had that honest argument at the beginning,
Speaker 7: you lied and played along.
Speaker 9: And I'm gonna be clear with y'all. Let's put race
Speaker 9: into it for a second.
Speaker 7: If I have a white friend who tells me they
Speaker 7: love me, and I say, hey, white friend, I don't
Speaker 7: have any white friends. I feel nervous about having friends.
Speaker 7: I'm from Boston. Are you going to be a white
Speaker 7: friend who co ops and wants to come to the
Speaker 7: cookout and all the stuff, or can you be an
Speaker 7: ally can you be an ally? And you swear to
Speaker 7: God that you can be an ally, which means you're
Speaker 7: not centered. You're to the left of me or the
Speaker 7: right of me. Right, allies never center themselves. And then
Speaker 7: one day, ten years down the road, you say, I've
Speaker 7: been such a good ally.
Speaker 9: Can I say the N word?
Speaker 8: Now?
Speaker 9: There were corn rows?
Speaker 7: Now can I come to the cookout now? And you
Speaker 7: said no because that would be centering. You remember, the
Speaker 7: entire premise was that you were an ally to the side.
Speaker 7: And she's like, well, I think it's unfair that we've
Speaker 7: been friends this long and I can't call you the
Speaker 7: N word. We understand when it's race that this.
Speaker 4: Is bullshit, Claudia, your last thoughts. You're going to add anything.
Speaker 6: To the reality show, y'all. It shouldn't be this, ded
Speaker 6: They have real friends.
Speaker 1: They're real friends, because listen, the thing is, this is
Speaker 1: the reason why when Kelly Rowland wrote and released and
Speaker 1: made a video for Dirty Laundry Okay.
Speaker 4: Where she was open and honest about saying the quiet
Speaker 4: part out.
Speaker 13: Loud, right, we all we all assumed thought about wondered
Speaker 13: right when she said it was hard to see my
Speaker 13: sister Beyonce on stage killing it and I'm not.
Speaker 4: It's you know, when she when she's talked about her insecurities.
Speaker 4: I think this.
Speaker 1: I don't want to this is me and Claudia, right,
Speaker 1: I don't want to reduce it to just reality show.
Speaker 4: But I do think this.
Speaker 1: I think Listen, what we also aren't saying that I
Speaker 1: do want us to feel comfortable talking about is the
Speaker 1: delicate relationships between black female friends.
Speaker 4: And that's an and listen, that's a whole other conversation
Speaker 4: that we'll have later.
Speaker 1: But right, listen and all the reason, but let's be
Speaker 1: let's be real. The reason why I said about my
Speaker 1: I have a best friend where we're both in the
Speaker 1: same industry, but we're both we both did this, yeah,
Speaker 1: is because we both were able to bluse point when
Speaker 1: he asked me, what do you want to do?
Speaker 4: And I asked him the same question, and we both
Speaker 4: knew was this We were honest.
Speaker 1: If he would have came to me now and see
Speaker 1: me popping on my podcast and said, yo, I want
Speaker 1: a podcast.
Speaker 4: I would say I would say, okay, I'll help you.
Speaker 4: If he said, no, I'm making easy for your boy.
Speaker 1: Have me joined blue, Claudia and Dustin I'll say, what
Speaker 1: are you talking about?
Speaker 4: You never wanted to do this, And I do think
Speaker 4: there's something to be said about.
Speaker 1: Listen, maybe because I'm because I'm a man, and that's
Speaker 1: why I love the fact that I got two black
Speaker 1: women here. I think for me, I don't understand why
Speaker 1: it's not okay to feel this is my.
Speaker 4: Thing and.
Speaker 3: It is as you're honest about that. No, no, and
Speaker 3: it's okay for a person to be honest about that.
Speaker 4: And it just means you you have boundaries, Yes, Claudia,
Speaker 4: you think if I move on all right?
Speaker 6: I mean the babying is it just irritates me. And
Speaker 6: when I speak of again said I'm a hater.
Speaker 10: It's too much. You guys, like you can't have it
Speaker 10: both ways. You can't sit there and say I have
Speaker 10: a boundary and I don't want you on the show.
Speaker 10: But then also at the same time, Andy didn't.
Speaker 6: I say I want her on the show?
Speaker 9: Which one is it?
Speaker 4: You can't agree with you? I agree?
Speaker 6: Fuck?
Speaker 9: And it's mean I think she's been shamed into having
Speaker 9: to make this lion backtrack. She didn't have it.
Speaker 6: Lie you don't want to do like it's too much.
Speaker 10: It's like people being blinded and it's so frustrating you guys.
Speaker 6: It's so to sit and hear this. That is her friend.
Speaker 10: I guess I come from a different school of thought.
Speaker 10: I have friends of twenty years where I will gladly
Speaker 10: share an opportunity with them, and I know I'm not
Speaker 10: everybody and some people. I need to have my own
Speaker 10: thing without the person you love the most. The person
Speaker 10: you love the most, you don't want them to be
Speaker 10: there with you. I do, so I think differently. I
Speaker 10: will never be in a place where I will recommend
Speaker 10: all three of you for something that I'm up for
Speaker 10: and not feel a way if y'all get it, because
Speaker 10: I love you, guys, and I will if I can't
Speaker 10: have it, I want y'all to have it. To sit
Speaker 10: here and say her being here fucked with my nervous
Speaker 10: system and fucks me up. What you wouldn't have that
Speaker 10: girl's friend.
Speaker 6: That's the case.
Speaker 10: Y'all are never really friends, and your mothers should never
Speaker 10: let y'all be friends after they.
Speaker 6: Have beef because we will not be here and I
Speaker 6: just don't operate like that.
Speaker 7: Let me.
Speaker 6: I have friends, and I know it ain't about me,
Speaker 6: but I have friends that want to do the same.
Speaker 10: I have friends that are actors and TV hosts and
Speaker 10: I had to watch them good things that I get
Speaker 10: and it may hurt at the moment, but I love
Speaker 10: that for my friend.
Speaker 7: You have friends that can say no and you're respect
Speaker 7: it without you thinking it's a character, so that they
Speaker 7: simply don't.
Speaker 9: Feel like Sharon, you have friends.
Speaker 7: Here's my thing. I don't want one a friend who's
Speaker 7: always generous. I want a friend who can also say
Speaker 7: an honest no and not have to pandit to my.
Speaker 10: Insecurities, to me that my friend is saying no to
Speaker 10: me being put on something that you're on because it.
Speaker 6: Makes you feel away. Why should my presence feel what
Speaker 6: make you feel away? On a show that I'm not.
Speaker 10: Gonna I'm not gonna take the start them from you.
Speaker 10: I'm never gonna take the start. Porsche will always have
Speaker 10: the charisma, the beauty, the charm, the body. She'll always
Speaker 10: have that, and Shmia being there does not take away
Speaker 10: from Porsche's.
Speaker 7: Sorry, it means that I can say no and it
Speaker 7: doesn't mean But here's the thing too. Again, Let's be honest.
Speaker 7: Not all friends are the same frequency of energy. There
Speaker 7: are friends that you can lay next to you and
Speaker 7: not say shit. Don't even have to put on clean draws,
Speaker 7: just lay next to that and it's easy. There are
Speaker 7: other friends that you love just as much, and they
Speaker 7: take some kind of inconvenience and energy. If I don't
Speaker 7: have it to give, and I am honest that I
Speaker 7: don't have it.
Speaker 6: To give, what are you giving? What are you giving?
Speaker 7: I'm just land the plan if I don't have it,
Speaker 7: whatever it is, energetically right, whatever that currency is. If
Speaker 7: you ask me for something and I don't have it
Speaker 7: to give, and I honestly tell you that I don't
Speaker 7: have it to give, and you think I'm immature and insecure,
Speaker 7: not a good friend, because I'm telling you the truth
Speaker 7: that I don't have it to give, there's an entitlement
Speaker 7: in that that I can't sit with because now you're
Speaker 7: making my stuff about you.
Speaker 9: People who can't hear know and still love you are
Speaker 9: not safe to me.
Speaker 6: She didn't get on the show by herself. And if.
Speaker 7: The premise matters, you said you coming as my ally,
Speaker 7: knowing what my boundary is and pretending you're okay with
Speaker 7: it and whole time wanting to hold the peach is
Speaker 7: very different than you saying actually not says I'm sorry.
Speaker 7: I actually want to get put on. Do you want
Speaker 7: to rock paper scissors? We're gonna have to figure this out.
Speaker 7: If anything, I would expect you more if you were
Speaker 7: kept in a stack her boundary there.
Speaker 8: That's the point right there, beginning.
Speaker 9: What was my point?
Speaker 7: If Shamia was honest and have this ugly conversation at
Speaker 7: the beginning, we wouldn't be now, I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Do you think you can be friends that do the
Speaker 3: same thing and not have overlapped in a way that
Speaker 3: is detrimental to your friendship.
Speaker 8: I could go further, but I ain't even got.
Speaker 6: To, so you know, and I know, and I don't think.
Speaker 6: Let me clear this up. And I do not think
Speaker 6: that Porscha is jealous of Shemiah.
Speaker 10: I think Porscha has her thing, that it's fantastic, she
Speaker 10: has her life. I'm just saying, when you have friends like, okay,
Speaker 10: say I sell over here and you sell over there.
Speaker 10: Now you're also except over here and my ship. I
Speaker 10: get why Porscha would feel a way I'm saying that
Speaker 10: I'm being I understand that, but damn it bothers you
Speaker 10: that much to be to share this with your friends.
Speaker 1: But I think I think.
Speaker 4: Okay, because I have to move on to the to
Speaker 4: the to the main part.
Speaker 1: But I will say one thing Claudia did say that
Speaker 1: I do think they have falling on death ears right
Speaker 1: because we're talking about how pathetical and what Claudia has
Speaker 1: has said is.
Speaker 4: Porsche has said.
Speaker 1: To Claudia's point, Andy did not want her on the show, right.
Speaker 1: So again my I'll speak for myself.
Speaker 4: My argument was more so if she did say that,
Speaker 4: I'm not mad at it, but I agree with you.
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask Porsche directly and she chose to
Speaker 1: not answer my question, So we we I guess it's
Speaker 1: one of those things we will never know unless the
Speaker 1: reunion happens.
Speaker 4: But I do think that Claudia's point.
Speaker 1: Porsia did tell Andy I did want her on the show,
Speaker 1: Tomia saying no, you didn't. And I think what we're
Speaker 1: all saying is hypothetically, if Porscha did not want.
Speaker 4: You on the show, these are the reasons why.
Speaker 6: But she said that she.
Speaker 7: Wanted me as a psydekick at ally whatever the wrote
Speaker 7: the notes, Yeah, being on the show and your capacity
Speaker 7: on the show are not the same. Thing. I think
Speaker 7: we're assuming a conflict that might not be there because
Speaker 7: one of you on the show as a friend of
Speaker 7: is different than one of you as my co host.
Speaker 9: Those are two different roles.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, well the conflict is definitely there.
Speaker 7: Yeah, the conflict is about the perception about the placement
Speaker 7: on the show, not her being on the show as
Speaker 7: a friend. As an ally, that's very different than you
Speaker 7: being my co host. We talked about that a nauseum.
Speaker 7: Sami has been wanting to get that peach for all
Speaker 7: these years. It's a running joke. Why are we pretending
Speaker 7: that capacity is not a nuance in yere I'm a.
Speaker 3: Person who lives at the intersection of this conversation, right
Speaker 3: because while I would absolutely leave the door open for
Speaker 3: anybody I love that is qualified and ready for the opportunity, right,
Speaker 3: I also I also concurrently at the same time, would
Speaker 3: not be offended by offering myself available for an opportunity
Speaker 3: and one of my friends who had access to it
Speaker 3: telling me no for a relevant reason, for whatever reason,
Speaker 3: if you have an an option to answer of caution
Speaker 3: yes or no to me, you have that option, and
Speaker 3: I respect it and I will move on.
Speaker 8: I don't think everybody's like that.
Speaker 4: And for the record, I tell my friends know who
Speaker 4: do act to be a part of this panel.
Speaker 8: Yeah all the time.
Speaker 9: I'm gonna say this too.
Speaker 7: Sometimes when somebody doesn't have an opportunity for you, it's
Speaker 7: not that it's discernment. I think the one thing that
Speaker 7: we're leaving out is discernment sometimes says no, not somebody's heart.
Speaker 3: Stop asking, to stop asking, stop asking and putting them
Speaker 3: in a fucked up position too, just because you know
Speaker 3: somebody that's got access your ass ain't even ready.
Speaker 8: Nine times out of too, he said.
Speaker 9: Not, I wouldn't love it.
Speaker 6: But okay, but Andy didn't I tell her, yes, I Oh,
Speaker 6: I hate that.
Speaker 1: I made sure your point got okay. So I want
Speaker 1: to move on to the moment that end of this friendship.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna go on record saying they will never
Speaker 1: be friends again. They'll anything, They'll be surface cordial, the
Speaker 1: whole nine yards. They will never be friends. Shimia says
Speaker 1: in Savannah Okay that Porscha said she never wants their
Speaker 1: mother's issues to affect their friendship. Then said Porsche went
Speaker 1: on her public platform to say that what Shamiah's mom
Speaker 1: did was something egregious to her mom. Samiah said, when,
Speaker 1: in fact, your mom did something to my mom and
Speaker 1: this was years prior.
Speaker 4: Porsche said, I don't know about our mom's friendship like that.
Speaker 1: Samia says, you knew enough about their friendship to say
Speaker 1: that my mom bought your mom's daycare.
Speaker 4: Porsche said, everyone knows that. It's not a secret.
Speaker 1: Then Shamiah says, everybody doesn't know that your mom.
Speaker 4: Tried to sleep with my dad.
Speaker 1: Porsche then says, you and your mother are low down,
Speaker 1: dirty snakes. Porsia said, if my mother did something like that,
Speaker 1: it's on my mama and it's not true. Porscha said,
Speaker 1: you know what, I knew that you would come up
Speaker 1: with this, cause I did tell my mom this, and
Speaker 1: my mom said she was surprised to hear that because
Speaker 1: Shamiah's mom slept with Shamiah's father's brother. Samiah didn't asked
Speaker 1: which brother. Porsia said she doesn't know, and the whole
Speaker 1: table fell out. I want to start with you, Claudia,
Speaker 1: what do you have to say about that moment?
Speaker 10: Those aren't real friends, real friends, mad Day, It's all
Speaker 10: coming out.
Speaker 6: Again, the mother thing.
Speaker 10: At first, it seemed like they were trying to keep
Speaker 10: it somewhere. Who do you think was wrong first?
Speaker 8: Though?
Speaker 6: With the mother thing? Bring the mom who violated first?
Speaker 6: Who do y'all think Porsche? Right?
Speaker 10: Because Shemiah remember Shemia had a failed reunion last year, right,
Speaker 10: she kind of got read down.
Speaker 6: We were like, damn man, wake it up. She didn't
Speaker 6: really come with it.
Speaker 10: Like we thought, and she said, I'm not gonna say that.
Speaker 10: She was trying to hold back, and so Porscha said
Speaker 10: the thing first. Right now, it's so damn ugly. Now,
Speaker 10: I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 6: What to say about this.
Speaker 10: At this point, the mothers need to be on the
Speaker 10: show like it's it's it's so much bigger than these two.
Speaker 10: Porscha did go left first with the mom thing, and
Speaker 10: now it's just back and forth, and now they just
Speaker 10: gotta out gutter each other. I don't know, Carlos, I
Speaker 10: kind of forgot no.
Speaker 4: I think this, I think this, and that's what I'm
Speaker 4: gonna tap you in next listen. This was extremely hard
Speaker 4: to watch. I obviously.
Speaker 1: Have been privy to a lot of things that happens
Speaker 1: off camp, and one thing I always told myself when
Speaker 1: I started the podcast and month in my live started
Speaker 1: that I will always keep things to the show because
Speaker 1: I don't think it's fair that people aren't.
Speaker 4: Here to defend themselves on the stuff that I may
Speaker 4: know or be privy to.
Speaker 1: Right, I know for a fact that portion Shamiya, there
Speaker 1: was love there, and that's why I did say to
Speaker 1: the both of them to their faces and interview that
Speaker 1: seeing your friendship breaks my heart.
Speaker 4: And and it was it was nasty. It was nasty.
Speaker 1: I will say this, I'm not picking a side here
Speaker 1: because it's bigger than all of us, and because I
Speaker 1: know them both personally, I'm not going to pick a side.
Speaker 1: What I will say though, being fair and basing this
Speaker 1: on the show, I do believe that Shemiah went in
Speaker 1: to that dinner determined to reveal what Portia's mom allegedly did.
Speaker 1: And the reason why I say that is because from
Speaker 1: what I've been watching.
Speaker 4: And what I saw prior to Shami revealing it, Samilla
Speaker 4: was Shmiah was.
Speaker 1: Ready to say it, and she wanted to say it,
Speaker 1: and she wanted that to come out. And for that,
Speaker 1: I will say Samiah was wrong for bringing up that part. Why, right,
Speaker 1: I feel like this if me and Dustin been for instance, fourteen,
Speaker 1: had to break seventeen through twenty two, got back up
Speaker 1: friends at twenty three, and we know about each other.
Speaker 4: I'm a mama's boy. I that's my you know.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to have our issues be anything that
Speaker 1: I will say about our mothers. I do feel like
Speaker 1: Shemiah was wrong for bringing up the mom's part to
Speaker 1: reveal that, because I don't think that anything happened for
Speaker 1: that particular expose to be revealed. If if you are
Speaker 1: upset that Porsha doesn't want you and gerald Rmand Polar,
Speaker 1: I was with you when you felt that. I look
Speaker 1: at Polar like, you know whatever, Nothing to me made
Speaker 1: sense why I had to find out on camera that
Speaker 1: Porsia's mom allegedly slept with, allegedly wanted to sleep with
Speaker 1: Smia's dead Nothing to me warranted that information to be released.
Speaker 1: I think Shemia's fed up. I think Shemia is tired.
Speaker 1: I think Shemia has a lot of shit bottled in
Speaker 1: And I think Shemiah used the opportunity to hurt Porsche
Speaker 1: and she knew what to do, and I think Porscha
Speaker 1: knew Shemia was ready to do it, which is why
Speaker 1: not all makes sense to me, which is why Porscha
Speaker 1: spent the entire season giving Shemia nothing because she knew,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to give you any reason to say it.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to give you any reason to say it.
Speaker 1: I do feel like Porschia knew Shemia was going to
Speaker 1: reveal it because Porsche actually said it. I knew he
Speaker 1: was going to say that, And Porscha also knew, Okay,
Speaker 1: if Shamia ever brings this up, I know what to
Speaker 1: say in retaliation to it. Why she said, well, no,
Speaker 1: your mom slept with your dad's brother. In that moment,
Speaker 1: I knew that these two will never be friends ever
Speaker 1: in life, and I just don't feel like.
Speaker 4: I needed to know that ever in life.
Speaker 3: How was Shamiah wrong for planning to come to the
Speaker 3: table and drop that bombshell? But Porscha was right for saying, well,
Speaker 3: I know Shamiah might drop that bomb cell, so if
Speaker 3: she do, I'm gonna drop this one because.
Speaker 4: If you clunch me, you can't tell me how to
Speaker 4: react to.
Speaker 3: So you don't think Shamiah, You don't think Porscha punched
Speaker 3: Shamiyah by making that Instagram post saying yo, mama went
Speaker 3: and bought my mama's daycare, and offering detail and context
Speaker 3: to a conflict that we knew vaguely existed, but we
Speaker 3: didn't know any details about.
Speaker 8: That's the first punch, right, No.
Speaker 4: Exactly exactly, but to blues point.
Speaker 1: But to blues point, you then can't go on Andy
Speaker 1: Cohen's couch in your yellow dress and say in front
Speaker 1: of the world when Andy Cohen asked you, what did
Speaker 1: her mom do? I don't want to say it. I
Speaker 1: don't want to say it. I want to keep it cute.
Speaker 1: You have to pick which which you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: So that was me And listen when Claudia asked a
Speaker 1: question who made the first hit Porsche?
Speaker 4: Right with that comment, Andy Comen did his job as
Speaker 4: as a host.
Speaker 1: What did Shmia? What happened between your mothers? I don't
Speaker 1: want to talk about it because when I do, it's.
Speaker 4: Gonna it's gonna it's gonna ruin ship.
Speaker 1: If that's how you felt in Andy Cohen's couch, then
Speaker 1: then then, my sweet love, what did Porsche do this
Speaker 1: season for that to be revealed? Because that the moment
Speaker 1: for that to be revealed would be at the reunion
Speaker 1: and let's be clear even after.
Speaker 4: Reunion, and I'm gonna be very fair. If Shemiah would
Speaker 4: have revealed.
Speaker 1: It after reunion, I would have said, well, shit, you
Speaker 1: have every right to say it, bitch.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say it.
Speaker 1: It's dirty, it's nasty, but hey, bitch, this is the
Speaker 1: opportunity to to say the ship not during hiatus. You
Speaker 1: thought about it and then Dustin. I'm aware of what
Speaker 1: was allegedly said and the text messages.
Speaker 7: We're not.
Speaker 9: Well.
Speaker 1: Despite what people say on the blogs, I'm a good
Speaker 1: friend and I'm not messy.
Speaker 7: No.
Speaker 9: The thing is this, I'm.
Speaker 4: Privy to some things that were said because it's Atlanta
Speaker 4: and I am.
Speaker 14: Keisha Lan's top, so I'm aware of it. You know,
Speaker 14: I'm the Queen of Atlanta again again.
Speaker 6: And it's been said on the show before.
Speaker 10: You can't poke a bear or say something about someone
Speaker 10: else and then be mad about how they respond.
Speaker 6: It doesn't only go one.
Speaker 10: Way where we did this, so don't get mad when
Speaker 10: Porsche comes back. It's they're both going low, they're both
Speaker 10: going on. I'm gonna say this, I questioned their friendship now, uh,
Speaker 10: you know, mad.
Speaker 6: Days revealing a whole one.
Speaker 10: I don't mean right now, Blue, I mean like, because
Speaker 10: have you had a friend that it went left, but
Speaker 10: you never told some things about them?
Speaker 8: Absolutely? Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 9: The seed the seed was was rotten because it wasn't
Speaker 9: based on the truth.
Speaker 6: I wasn't your real friends.
Speaker 10: So now Shemiah never told Porscha's t about the mother
Speaker 10: until por Porscha went first, so then Porsche then she
Speaker 10: came back. And don't you think now that Porsche's on
Speaker 10: social media right now saying all the stuff saying Samias
Speaker 10: slept with this one and that one. She's shown her
Speaker 10: ass right now. She has shown her ass. And do
Speaker 10: you think that Shemiah does not have similar ty on
Speaker 10: Porscha's life. When you're best feats with someone, you tell
Speaker 10: them all your dirty shit. You tell them this one
Speaker 10: gave me, I cheated, I did this, I did that.
Speaker 6: I'm sure they got nasty secrets and I don't. And
Speaker 6: I think some of the.
Speaker 10: Reasons why they were both holding back during the season
Speaker 10: is because they know if I really wanted to bitch,
Speaker 10: and I'm not saying to you the one to both
Speaker 10: of them, I can really let your ass up, I
Speaker 10: can really get it active up in here. I got all,
Speaker 10: they both know where both they both know where the
Speaker 10: bodies are buried for both of them, right, So I
Speaker 10: think that was really a little bit stopping them.
Speaker 6: Now the gloves are off.
Speaker 10: But like on both occasions, it has been as annoying
Speaker 10: as you may think Shemia is. On both occasions, it
Speaker 10: was Porscha that went first with the mother.
Speaker 6: Things clear with the business.
Speaker 1: I want to be clear because we have to be
Speaker 1: fair when we say Porscha went first. Porsche did go first.
Speaker 4: Revealing something about the moment, but we're being technical.
Speaker 1: Shamia when first telling Cynthia and scene that there is
Speaker 1: something going on between Porscha's.
Speaker 4: Between their mothers, which propelled Porsche to tweet.
Speaker 8: That, Okay, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: We're going to be fair.
Speaker 1: Samia told Cynthia on camera that something was going on
Speaker 1: with their mothers, and and and and Shamia didn't reveal
Speaker 1: it so much.
Speaker 4: Now granted now, granted, I won't want to be fair again.
Speaker 1: When they played that scene Miss Diane, they flashed back
Speaker 1: to Miss Diane's saying the comment about trusting the dog
Speaker 1: with the bone, but I want to be very fair.
Speaker 1: Samilla did tell Cynthia belly first son is going on
Speaker 1: with the mothers. Then Porscha on a Saturday after getting
Speaker 1: the episode in the dance is when she responded to that,
Speaker 1: saying wrong road agree, jous.
Speaker 6: But is that is that so bad to say something's
Speaker 6: going on on mom?
Speaker 4: But that's what I'm saying. I wanted to be fair.
Speaker 8: I'm with Claudia on this.
Speaker 3: It's very different to say that there's an issue between
Speaker 3: our moms as opposed to saying your mom is fraudulent
Speaker 3: and stole a daycare.
Speaker 6: I agree, I agree, which is why you worry about
Speaker 6: your kids?
Speaker 9: Why are you talking about my kids?
Speaker 6: That's not what they're doing.
Speaker 4: I agree with you. That's what I said, Shemia. My
Speaker 4: thing is this.
Speaker 1: Shamiah said it first to Cynthia, something's with my mother.
Speaker 1: Portia then said your mother did this? Shamia had the
Speaker 1: opportunity at Andy Comens reunion.
Speaker 9: What did she do?
Speaker 4: Say it there? You can't say I'm not gonna say it.
Speaker 9: You want to save it though she wanted to say that,
Speaker 9: say it a year later.
Speaker 4: I agree with you, guys.
Speaker 3: What do you say to her explanation Carlos that she
Speaker 3: was trying to set to to she was trying to
Speaker 3: keep whatever connect whatever bear thread thread bare connection.
Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: They had.
Speaker 3: She was trying to keep that in text, so she
Speaker 3: didn't want to go that far with offering up details, right.
Speaker 3: She wasn't really to offer of details, So that is
Speaker 3: why she chose not to reveal the information at the reunion. Also,
Speaker 3: what do you say to the people who say, ain't
Speaker 3: no motherfucking rules and fighting? I can know so much
Speaker 3: your goddamn mama and tell you two years from now.
Speaker 4: So I agree with that.
Speaker 1: That's why I said at the top of this and Blue,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get you next. That's why I said, we're.
Speaker 4: Not the moral police. It's an issue of this person
Speaker 4: is plainly right, plainly wrong. This is a very nuanced situation.
Speaker 1: All we're doing, all we're doing, rain Drops, is talking
Speaker 1: about what happened on the show.
Speaker 4: I just said, I actually know what was said in
Speaker 4: the text messages. I'm not gonna reveal it. I knew
Speaker 4: their friendship was over based on what I was allegedly
Speaker 4: told what the text message were about. I said, y'all
Speaker 4: ain't friends.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But my point is I always say what we're
Speaker 1: gonna do is stick to the show, and I'm sticking
Speaker 1: to the show. Miss Diane made his comment, but but
Speaker 1: but but, Shemiah did I know she made it until
Speaker 1: the reunion? Until she saw it, Shamillah told Porsche Tamia
Speaker 1: met with Cynthia first and said something. Porcha then responded
Speaker 1: and revealed more about what would happened. Samia was then
Speaker 1: asked by Andy, what what do you have to say
Speaker 1: about it? Shemiah said, I don't want to talk about it.
Speaker 1: I don't want to expose it. And then we're here,
Speaker 1: so Blue, what do you have to say about all
Speaker 1: of this?
Speaker 4: I really light work?
Speaker 8: Sure Carlos to pass out.
Speaker 9: We all felt that he said a run on paragraph
Speaker 9: and that said, so back to.
Speaker 4: You, Blue, not the way we have two hundred super chats,
Speaker 4: right job? I love y'all.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Dollars from that super chat? Is my eyes too. I
Speaker 3: forgot about baby girlfriend.
Speaker 8: Go ahead, that one had my name.
Speaker 6: You know you should you should get that.
Speaker 4: You should have got a bottle, go ahead, Blue.
Speaker 7: I'm just fighting my DH right now because I'm like,
Speaker 7: we should have take another ball.
Speaker 9: Okay, So.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna say this right because to me, how this
Speaker 7: is tricky when you're having a fight with somebody since
Speaker 7: Dustin mentioned street dudes, because you know that's my favorite
Speaker 7: topic today. When you're having a fight with somebody, Right,
Speaker 7: if you hit me first and you have a bad punch,
Speaker 7: and I hit you first, and I know how to fight,
Speaker 7: any response I give you, you're gonna fall over as
Speaker 7: somebody who doesn't know how to fight. The reason I
Speaker 7: don't fight because I'm good at it. Right, I know
Speaker 7: that if you hit me and I hit you, it's.
Speaker 9: Not the same hit. It's never gonna be the same hit.
Speaker 9: My version of a light hit. I'm still going to jail.
Speaker 7: Right. I'm saying that to say Porsche figuratively and literally
Speaker 7: because I know people who have seen her in professional
Speaker 7: settings and said that she was strong. And there's a
Speaker 7: story that I heard, Carlos, I'll tell you later behind
Speaker 7: the scenes. I know somebody who says I picked her up. Yes,
Speaker 7: normal muscle mass from what I've heard, Okay, as someone
Speaker 7: who can fight literally and figuratively, there's no porsia response.
Speaker 7: That's like, guys, can we just if we can respect
Speaker 7: the nature of Shemia, can we also respect the nature
Speaker 7: of Porsche. It's not favorites it's just being objective actually,
Speaker 7: despite the fact that people don't always know how to
Speaker 7: do that.
Speaker 9: There are people who.
Speaker 7: Gonna think I'm caping for Porsche just because I'm following
Speaker 7: the same rules for both of them. Whoever Shemia is,
Speaker 7: I've been following that threat this entire time. Whoever Porsche is,
Speaker 7: I've been following that through this entire time. I'm never
Speaker 7: gonna cross pollinate them because again, yes, so Porscha's a
Speaker 7: heavy hitter. Any response from Porsche is a Mali wop.
Speaker 9: I think we can all agree to that. Shamia is covert.
Speaker 9: Any hit from her is gonna begrudging. Why are you
Speaker 9: making me fight?
Speaker 7: You know, the girl who's crying while she beating upcause
Speaker 7: you don't even want to fight. Shamia is a completely
Speaker 7: different fighter. So it completely makes sense to me that
Speaker 7: when Shamiah says something, it's gonna be a soft hit.
Speaker 7: If Porscha ever responds molly wop when Shamia's asked, well,
Speaker 7: confront it right that Andy confrontation only required a heavy hit.
Speaker 9: Shamia doesn't heavy hit. If she has a first option,
Speaker 9: she's gonna always.
Speaker 7: Choose to pick the softer thing, because again, her branding
Speaker 7: is she's everybody's good friend. Someone who's everybody's good friend
Speaker 7: is tactful. They know how to say it in the sideways.
Speaker 7: They're never too blunt because they don't want to ruffle feathers.
Speaker 7: She's actually excellent at that, except when it's time for
Speaker 7: a street fight with a bitch who can fight. Yes,
Speaker 7: what's happening is I think at some point this is
Speaker 7: actually all of your points Porsche clocked. The girl who's
Speaker 7: gonna win meal and can't fight wants it with me.
Speaker 7: If I cough on her, she's gonna be in a cast.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna choose. And by the way, this is not
Speaker 7: keeping for Portia, it's just telling her strategy. Again we
Speaker 7: agree on I'm going to ignore her because if I
Speaker 7: even try to meet her where she's at, I'm immediately
Speaker 7: the bully because I fight different. When that girl finally
Speaker 7: gets in the fight with you, it's gonna be ugly.
Speaker 7: And I'm gonna say this, I hated everything about that
Speaker 7: scene my stomach.
Speaker 9: I'm not taking anybody's side in that scene. They both
Speaker 9: disgusted me.
Speaker 7: I'm also going to say they both disgusted me, and
Speaker 7: they fight differently, so we can't keep cross pollinating these
Speaker 7: false equivalencies because they've always been two different beasts.
Speaker 9: That's part of the problem.
Speaker 7: I actually think that if Shemiah was a beast like Porsche,
Speaker 7: she might have been more open to them being co
Speaker 7: host and not allies. Because I will say this is
Speaker 7: the strong friend the gentler friend. I won't say we,
Speaker 7: because I don't believe it'sweak to be gentle.
Speaker 9: The gentler friend requires stuff of you as the person
Speaker 9: who's naturally strong and strategic.
Speaker 7: There's a certain we all know this. There's a friend
Speaker 7: that we love who's not as able as us that
Speaker 7: we know. We love them to them to be around us,
Speaker 7: but there's more sweat equity for them to meet us
Speaker 7: at the audacity where we naturally reside at. So again,
Speaker 7: Portia predicted it, and she was right. So we're all
Speaker 7: debating how we feel about her being right about the
Speaker 7: things she predicted.
Speaker 9: Ten years ago.
Speaker 3: You said something about my Mama's going down. It's over
Speaker 3: flat the fuck out. I don't give a damn, especially
Speaker 3: something sexual.
Speaker 8: You say something about my mother to.
Speaker 9: Me, and you know what.
Speaker 10: I also remember when Miss Diane said some real shady
Speaker 10: sit about Uma about to watch the dog.
Speaker 6: And to Toma's defense, she could have she could have
Speaker 6: spased out then and she didn't.
Speaker 9: It's not her character.
Speaker 6: Yeah, she's not.
Speaker 1: I think that's the point we we're making, Like if
Speaker 1: there's listen, Like like Blue said, we're recapping the show,
Speaker 1: no one's camping for anybody, but we know, we know
Speaker 1: the chat.
Speaker 4: We'll say what they say, but I will say That's
Speaker 4: why I.
Speaker 1: Feel strongly, uh, if there was a moment to reveal
Speaker 1: that information, I.
Speaker 4: Just felt like it was much more suited at the
Speaker 4: reunion of last reunion.
Speaker 8: I get that she.
Speaker 10: Definitely themed like green at the reunion last year, though,
Speaker 10: like she wasn't right like I think this year we're
Speaker 10: gonna see a whole well, hopefully we see a different
Speaker 10: because I felt like so many misopportunities last union to
Speaker 10: be like a word, okay, big joke of bam, but
Speaker 10: she was.
Speaker 6: I think also at the reunion.
Speaker 10: She there was still a part of her that thought
Speaker 10: that her and Port could get back and still be
Speaker 10: friends at some point.
Speaker 8: That's why she said that, yeah, go there.
Speaker 6: She she wasn't gonna be all extra grimy with it,
Speaker 6: you know, that's what she's mourning.
Speaker 9: The thing that's breaking my heart is we're watching somebody moren.
Speaker 8: She's grieving.
Speaker 9: Somebody fighting at the funeral, rather.
Speaker 8: Than yeah, you see her face.
Speaker 6: I was like, we're going there.
Speaker 8: She called her mom.
Speaker 3: She called her mom because she her feelings were hurt
Speaker 3: that Portia was not open to reconciliation with her off
Speaker 3: the strength of the history. Okay, that's why when they
Speaker 3: were having that back and forth at the table, and
Speaker 3: Shemia said, in spite of it all, and as Porscha
Speaker 3: was like, in spite of what there is a dis like,
Speaker 3: Shemiah was holding on to reverence for the time spent.
Speaker 3: Porsche and SHEMI are now at a point where that's irrelevant,
Speaker 3: and it's heartbreaking to see as a person who like
Speaker 3: I value friendship.
Speaker 8: Y'all know, I'll give a fuck about y'all. You know
Speaker 8: what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I'm willing to I say, I'm sorry, I don't give
Speaker 3: a fuck about none of that. Like that, humility is
Speaker 3: an essential component to like sustaining a friendship. But where
Speaker 3: they at now, it's just where it is and it's
Speaker 3: always been at. Their friendship was not rock solid anyway,
Speaker 3: because their moms were out over some very real shit
Speaker 3: so even if we saw them playing nice on a
Speaker 3: picture or in scene together on the show, it just
Speaker 3: was never solid.
Speaker 8: It was never a silent foundation, and unfortunately it's imploded.
Speaker 8: I hate to see the cat's booty.
Speaker 10: Putting her ask her kouchie in the camera like I'm
Speaker 10: like please, don't, I'm like stop.
Speaker 1: My final question of the night is what Blue brought up?
Speaker 1: And I want to ask the panel this based on
Speaker 1: what was revealed at a dinner where should obviously revealed
Speaker 1: be allegations If Porscha made that comment that she didn't
Speaker 1: want you to be on the show, does this moment.
Speaker 4: Now expose why she wouldn't want her on the show?
Speaker 3: If that is the case in the in nature of
Speaker 3: it being a conflict or point of no return for them, yes,
Speaker 3: but that's the only way. It just is an example
Speaker 3: of their friendship breaking down in a way that Porsche,
Speaker 3: I would assume, was trying to avoid by not being
Speaker 3: welcoming to Samia being a part.
Speaker 8: Of this cast full time. But that's it.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's a unique thing. Like Shemiah, you
Speaker 3: did exactly what I knew you was gonna do. No,
Speaker 3: it was just ports just saying hey, there's a possibility,
Speaker 3: I shit might get fucked up if you join, don't
Speaker 3: do it, and now she joining that shit is fucked up.
Speaker 8: I think it's just it's like top level, you know
Speaker 8: what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: I think it's a mid tier because you know why
Speaker 7: then Mama's talk too damn much, Dustin.
Speaker 9: I think it's a mid tier.
Speaker 7: I think the reason why Polar can't go to your
Speaker 7: house because I know that I'm gonna hear She's gonna
Speaker 7: hear the kind of shit that we heard.
Speaker 8: Yeah, And I think so.
Speaker 9: I don't think it's time.
Speaker 7: I think it's mid as Like I know how your
Speaker 7: mama gets down and the kind of shit you and
Speaker 7: your mama probably talk to each other. I know the
Speaker 7: kind of shit me and my mama talks to each other.
Speaker 7: I know that shit talking has happened. They've fallen out,
Speaker 7: and we've already fallen out.
Speaker 6: This is not like Lou's clues.
Speaker 9: Here, right, Like, I think it's a thing of things are.
Speaker 7: We're tricky for us before we reunited and it felt
Speaker 7: so good, and it's tricky for us generationally, and even
Speaker 7: on the show, we keep on seeing my mama making
Speaker 7: little snide remarks I know this can go left because
Speaker 7: the people outside of us, it's not even just about us,
Speaker 7: and so I think it was a little bit deeper
Speaker 7: than top tier. I think that because they had just
Speaker 7: rekindled when the conversation was even had, and because we
Speaker 7: know their mother's talk shit. Well, sorry, miss Diane has
Speaker 7: made little comments on camera which tells you what's happening
Speaker 7: behind the scenes. I think it was discernment saying I
Speaker 7: don't think this ecosystem US included is strong enough, because
Speaker 7: I've seen bitches who had less to lose fall apart.
Speaker 9: I think it's discernment. And here's the thing, guys.
Speaker 7: Someone can be strategic, they can be fake, they can
Speaker 7: be a villain, they can be putting it on for
Speaker 7: the camera and.
Speaker 9: Still have discernment. Discernment just means I'm clocking the entire room,
Speaker 9: and accordingly that's all. It means. She's savvy.
Speaker 7: We all agree she's savvag, So why would it be
Speaker 7: shocking that she was savy enough to peep this because
Speaker 7: none of this is new.
Speaker 8: Because she said two hundred and sixty five.
Speaker 10: A broken a broken clock, Listen, I don't I don't
Speaker 10: like people that know each other's business.
Speaker 6: Falling out that actually liked each other.
Speaker 10: I do question how deep they're real friendship was in
Speaker 10: the beginning, because there's a certain thing again, Mad Day
Speaker 10: show it all.
Speaker 6: Mad Day will show you what kind of friends you
Speaker 6: really were.
Speaker 10: And I don't even think that they There was hesitations
Speaker 10: about reservations about Sami being on the show because of
Speaker 10: their moms. I think because Shemiah knows what your bones
Speaker 10: are bought, your bodies are buried, and Portia knows what
Speaker 10: shemis are.
Speaker 6: They both have too much.
Speaker 10: And you see now on Twitter how left it's going,
Speaker 10: and it is gonna to be asking because guess what
Speaker 10: Samid has the right to do. Now get on Twitter
Speaker 10: and say, oh, okay, you said I you let's talk
Speaker 10: about what she was doing doing your marriage or during
Speaker 10: your this, during that, And it's gonna get real bad
Speaker 10: for both of them. And I think this is what
Speaker 10: Questua was afraid of in the beginning, not really about oh,
Speaker 10: it's gonna mess.
Speaker 6: Up my friend. She got your tea.
Speaker 10: You don't want someone on the show that you might
Speaker 10: while out with and know it's all your dirt. But
Speaker 10: if you have a real friendship where it's like a
Speaker 10: I don't know this ship was their friends, but this
Speaker 10: is like.
Speaker 6: I want these kind of friends. Who needs enemies?
Speaker 10: But be prepared for some drops tonight on Instagram or Twitter,
Speaker 10: because it's probably gonna go back and forth with some
Speaker 10: nasty things, which sucks.
Speaker 7: You know, Like.
Speaker 9: You think she's and forth.
Speaker 6: I do because she.
Speaker 9: She came for her marriage.
Speaker 8: Respond she has to and I.
Speaker 6: Want to be mad as she did. You can't say
Speaker 6: did I cheat on my husband?
Speaker 10: And dropping almost receipts not receipts, but be specific, and
Speaker 10: I don't say nothing.
Speaker 6: And Tom is already feeling away. Our backs against the wall.
Speaker 4: It's final.
Speaker 6: What do I have to lose? It's about to get ugly.
Speaker 6: And I did not want this for them.
Speaker 10: Like as much as people think I don't like Porsche
Speaker 10: and all the shit, I do hate seeing that their
Speaker 10: friends of fall part because.
Speaker 6: They they had a fun little time they did.
Speaker 10: But it also works their friendship when Sam was in
Speaker 10: a supportive role and Porsche was the lead, and I
Speaker 10: think that's where that's where that's where it works. And
Speaker 10: I don't want friends that don't want me to be
Speaker 10: on their level that want me either. I don't want
Speaker 10: friends like that either.
Speaker 3: I don't want nobody like that around me, and I
Speaker 3: will never be like that, especially I'm a black gay man.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna leave the door open for people to come
Speaker 3: behind me that are qualified and ready.
Speaker 8: That's just the game. Number One.
Speaker 3: Carlos works in media, Carlos as a media company. I'm
Speaker 3: a host, I'm a comedian, I'm a writer. Carlos saw
Speaker 3: opportunity for me. What you're talking about, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, like like, and let's not even let me
Speaker 3: be quiet because I'm talking too much, but you know, yeah, Like,
Speaker 3: I just think that it's possible to absolutely be friends
Speaker 3: and work towards the success of one another without ego, jealousy,
Speaker 3: any of that shit.
Speaker 8: I believe it's possible. And if it's not, if that's
Speaker 8: an issue in your friendship, you weren't real friends for real,
Speaker 8: for real to begin with.
Speaker 1: I also will add by saying this, just like in
Speaker 1: most marriages, right, and this is gonna sound archaic, I
Speaker 1: do believe in marriages you have to appoint one person
Speaker 1: to be the leader, and in some marriages it is
Speaker 1: the woman, and that's and I love that for the girls.
Speaker 4: Historically and biblically, it's been the man. But two people
Speaker 4: can lead one marriage. So my point is when you.
Speaker 1: Get married, before you get married, hopefully you have a
Speaker 1: conversation of which dynamic if this is going to.
Speaker 4: Fit for our relationship right?
Speaker 1: So what I would implore with friends working together, there's
Speaker 1: going to be dynamic whether your friend is the boss,
Speaker 1: and you have to listen to your boss and your
Speaker 1: boss makes the decisions, and you have to be okay
Speaker 1: with that if you know you have the spirit of
Speaker 1: leadership and your friend is the boss and you don't
Speaker 1: want to listenship, like, don't do it, don't do it,
Speaker 1: so listen.
Speaker 4: I will go on record saying this.
Speaker 1: I was like I said it, I said again, I
Speaker 1: was disgusted by everything last night based on that because
Speaker 1: I know both of those girls and I never thought
Speaker 1: this day would come.
Speaker 4: I was actually happy that episode.
Speaker 1: One Shomia mind the text versus saying it right, go ahead, Dustin.
Speaker 4: I appreciated that, and I appreciate it. Porscha is still.
Speaker 1: Inviting Shamia over her house. Yes, and when I saw so,
Speaker 1: my point is I thought they would leave it there.
Speaker 1: So to see where it ended up thirteen episodes later,
Speaker 1: it does make me very sad.
Speaker 10: For them, and I'm sorry, go ahead and for Portia
Speaker 10: Shamia and everybody else else watching the show. Be careful
Speaker 10: about friends. I want you to do well, but not
Speaker 10: better than them that I love with any bigger.
Speaker 6: Movings than me and is the lead and I'm having
Speaker 6: a support I love it.
Speaker 8: I'm going on, I love it genuinely for real, honestly.
Speaker 6: Yeah, my dog right there.
Speaker 3: But you know, I want nothing more than for my
Speaker 3: friends to see success beyond their wildish dreams, beyond anything.
Speaker 3: It's not from a competitive lens. Even some of my
Speaker 3: best kid Fury, one of my best friends, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Like I want to, I just don't.
Speaker 3: I have, I have and continue to exist in relationships
Speaker 3: where there is a complete absence of any sort of
Speaker 3: ego based anything, if anything. We found each other as confidant,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying that now we have someone
Speaker 3: who understands there's camaraderie there, not competition.
Speaker 8: So yeah, but to each his own.
Speaker 10: Treat you like an assistant, say with those friends that
Speaker 10: treat you like for a long time, and all these
Speaker 10: ballet shows, a lot of these women were bringing on
Speaker 10: gay man and treating them.
Speaker 6: Like they were, they were their assistants and their accessories.
Speaker 10: Don't launch your friends either. You get some shine they
Speaker 10: oh you've changed up, No, you are mad. You want
Speaker 10: me to be on a support sit.
Speaker 6: A role with you.
Speaker 10: But when I leveled up and I get some attention,
Speaker 10: now I'm a problem. I'm a cloud chase. So I
Speaker 10: want your life.
Speaker 6: Damn you? Did you want the best of me or
Speaker 6: you want to be just to be there to be
Speaker 6: your assistant?
Speaker 3: Here are your purse bag? Now I'm just playing because
Speaker 3: I wouldn't ever had it anyway. Your person would hit
Speaker 3: the floor trying to hand it to me.
Speaker 7: It's one thing about friendship, guys, because again I want
Speaker 7: us to be really careful about not virtual signaling.
Speaker 9: It is simply that I only work with friends. And
Speaker 9: the reason why I work really well with friends.
Speaker 7: Is everybody gets to have their own things, and sometimes
Speaker 7: success doesn't have to mean copy and paste.
Speaker 9: And I think that's.
Speaker 7: Just because I don't want you to work with me
Speaker 7: in the exact same spot I'm in doesn't mean I
Speaker 7: don't want you to have an equally, if not greater
Speaker 7: spot than me.
Speaker 9: One of the things that.
Speaker 7: Oprah Winfrey said a long time ago that I think
Speaker 7: has completely shifted the way that I work with friends
Speaker 7: is that the reason why Gail King is my best
Speaker 7: friend is because Gail King doesn't want to be Oprah
Speaker 7: fucking Winfree. And that is valid, right, So it doesn't
Speaker 7: mean I'm a hater. It just means you can be
Speaker 7: gailic shit, you could be Robert Walters. You can be
Speaker 7: bigger than Oprah.
Speaker 9: You just can't be Oprah.
Speaker 7: Right, they're both put in their own right my friends.
Speaker 7: When my friends work for me, I say, you're in
Speaker 7: charge of this. You're the king of this, even though
Speaker 7: I'm the right one. Right, you're the king of this.
Speaker 7: Let me know what to do, and I follow your lead.
Speaker 9: Right.
Speaker 7: We need to have friendships where copy and paste does
Speaker 7: not mean loyalty. Loyalty means, like in a good marriage,
Speaker 7: I can have my thing, you can have your thing
Speaker 7: just as great, if not greater, and we come together
Speaker 7: to autonomous people who love each other but who are
Speaker 7: not codependent or entitled. There's an entitlement that is we've
Speaker 7: all throughout this narrative that we need to stop because
Speaker 7: nobody nobody owes you a yes. Yes, it's a gift.
Speaker 7: How dare you demand a gift. It's not a gift anymore.
Speaker 4: No, I agree with that, and I want to answer
Speaker 4: the super check question. Then I'm gonna read the pull.
Speaker 4: Then we can move on.
Speaker 1: I was gone, but somebody did ask why can't Porsche
Speaker 1: forgive Phaedra for the candy thing and not having one
Speaker 1: emotional media? I know, y'all hete when I say this,
Speaker 1: but vindicated once again. There's a such thing as TV friendships.
Speaker 4: In real life.
Speaker 1: If if I met you on the show and we're cool,
Speaker 1: we're friends because we work for the show. In my
Speaker 1: real life, we're not my You're not my real, real, real,
Speaker 1: real friend.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: Shamia and Porsche are real friends, and I want you
Speaker 1: guys to always understand. Look, yes, it's nice to think that. Well,
Speaker 1: we hang out off camera. There's a thing called alliance
Speaker 1: for the sake of the show or the sake of
Speaker 1: the storyline.
Speaker 4: And then there's real friendships. And Shamia and Porsche had
Speaker 4: a real friendship at one point. All right, So the
Speaker 4: results are in team Porsche or Shamia. Porsche.
Speaker 1: Leeds were forty seven percent, but Shamia is not too
Speaker 1: far behind.
Speaker 4: We're forty two per.
Speaker 1: This is very interesting. This I'm gonna be honest, I'd
Speaker 1: expect this to be a split. Are y'all surprised too?
Speaker 1: It's kind of it's almost split.
Speaker 9: What did you expect?
Speaker 6: Because if you took out either, who knows what it
Speaker 6: would have been, right.
Speaker 1: It's interesting, it's interesting. I didn't think it would be
Speaker 1: this close because I think based on.
Speaker 4: Just what we listen.
Speaker 1: And that's why I always tell people this, just because
Speaker 1: you see things on social media doesn't mean it's real.
Speaker 1: I identispect it to be so close. But the beauty
Speaker 1: of reality television always say this is everybody watching this
Speaker 1: show based on their own human experience. So there's a
Speaker 1: lot of people who obviously are on either side. So
Speaker 1: this honestly makes me, as a producer happy to see
Speaker 1: this because now it shows me that, yes, producers, you
Speaker 1: gotta bran me and push it back next season and
Speaker 1: let's see what happens. Because this poll were twelve thousand
Speaker 1: people in the chat. Damn, this is amazing.
Speaker 3: They're about to fight all season eighteen because now the
Speaker 3: gloves are off, the big secrets have been revealed, and
Speaker 3: now it's like, Okay, I can't stand you, so let's
Speaker 3: get it on.
Speaker 8: That's what we're going to get In season eighteen.
Speaker 10: Jemers cheese and I get dropped down because they are knowing,
Speaker 10: like who you.
Speaker 9: Fucked isharding other people it is And I'm.
Speaker 6: Like, listen, it ain't neither. Once you do this to me,
Speaker 6: I'm never We're never gonna be friends every never.
Speaker 8: We might as well just die.
Speaker 6: Yeah, like it's actually fighting words already.
Speaker 1: Literally no, it's and and basically what happened tonight. We
Speaker 1: may do an emergency episode this week, so keep your
Speaker 1: phone on. If responded by tomorrow, keep your phone on
Speaker 1: all right.
Speaker 4: I get to work with my friends, the best job
Speaker 4: in the world. Every Monday. You will catch us mother
Speaker 4: and not live. Thank you all. See you next week.
Speaker 6: Carlos going on tour, Carlos, keep.
Speaker 4: Your emails refreshed and get one this week when we're
Speaker 4: going on to set.
Speaker 8: We want coffee months and emails.
Speaker 7: Thank you.
Speaker 9: Okay, love y'all.
Speaker 6: Felt that.
Speaker 8: Love y'all, Yes, love y'all.
Speaker 6: Bye.
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