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Speaker 1: hey there, welcome to another episode of Thinking Sideways on Joe,

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Speaker 1: joined as always by and Steve and again Well I'm surprise, surprise,

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Speaker 1: we got a mystery to talk about this week. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk about the disappearance of Jim Gray, who you

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Speaker 1: haul heard of. I'm sure very famous. He actually has

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Speaker 1: had an impact, even if I have not heard of him.

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Speaker 1: Very well known in the tech world, though he disappeared

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Speaker 1: almost ten years ago. But first of all, I want

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Speaker 1: to thank Shimmy who suggested this like a couple of

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Speaker 1: a big pioneer in the modern tech industry. He worked

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Speaker 1: not directly. I mean I'm probably somewhere somehow, you know,

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Speaker 1: of Jim Gray pretty much. Yeah. Jim was a sailor,

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Speaker 1: had a forty ft sailboat. He boarded his sailboat the

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Speaker 1: morning of January two thousand and seven, which was a Sunday,

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Speaker 1: He vanished without a trace, which is kind of odd.

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Speaker 1: He didn't send it a stress signal. No wreckage or

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Speaker 1: he vanished without He totally did San Francisco Triangle. Yeah. Probably,

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Speaker 1: I'd say it's kind of creepy, but Halloween mouth is over,

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Speaker 1: so creepy's out. Strange is in. So that's what it is.

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Speaker 1: Strange strange November. Yeah, kind of head scratching November okay,

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Speaker 1: but oh is that what it is? That or that's eighties? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: But when word got out that Jim Gray had disappeared,

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Speaker 1: a lot of people in the tech world took notice.

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Speaker 1: A lot of big names that you probably heard of,

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Speaker 1: they all did. Search for Jim Gray was about as

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Speaker 1: you guys read all that stuff that I said. It

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Speaker 1: new life. Did the illuminati get him? Did the crack

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Speaker 1: and get him? Yes? Yeah, the crack can usually leaves wreckage. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: his second marriage, his second wife was Donna. They had

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Speaker 1: put it in a different place. Uh huh, But it's

423
00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,600
Speaker 1: not a how to present certain. But anyway, um, but

424
00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,520
Speaker 1: that probably it was probably where the last sightings of it.

425
00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:51,919
Speaker 1: Donna reported Jim missing to the coast Guard that night

426
00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,800
Speaker 1: about eight thirty or so when he didn't come back again.

427
00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,200
Speaker 1: She's in Wisconsin, but she was expecting him to call,

428
00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,879
Speaker 1: so she calls the marina the Harbormasters of Birth. The

429
00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,840
Speaker 1: sailboat ain't back, so she calls the coast guard and

430
00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:07,080
Speaker 1: reports and missing. They started their search. Within a few hours.

431
00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:09,440
Speaker 1: They had a couple of boats out. Eventually a helicopter

432
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,600
Speaker 1: and to see one thirty plane took off around midnight

433
00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,119
Speaker 1: one am and they started scouring the area between the

434
00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,720
Speaker 1: Farrell Long Islands at the Golden Gate. And of course

435
00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:18,840
Speaker 1: they had like you know, radar and stuff like that

436
00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,280
Speaker 1: in infra red, so you know, there really wasn't a

437
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,159
Speaker 1: purpose to going out and in the dark. You use

438
00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:26,879
Speaker 1: things beside your eyeballs, Yeah, you kind of have to. Yeah,

439
00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,479
Speaker 1: But they were out there looking and of course they

440
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,240
Speaker 1: didn't find anything. They kept adding resources to the search.

441
00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,840
Speaker 1: They searched for about five days and yeah, and they

442
00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,240
Speaker 1: kept adding more resources to it. Eventually they scoured the

443
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,840
Speaker 1: California coast from the Oregon border south to about Santa Barbara,

444
00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:45,959
Speaker 1: which is quite a long stretch. Yeah, and voters were

445
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,320
Speaker 1: alerted to look for wreckage and they did. There see

446
00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,240
Speaker 1: one thirty planes flew grid patterns like further and further

447
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,119
Speaker 1: out from shore. And I've got I've got a map

448
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,080
Speaker 1: here some of the some of the grids that they did,

449
00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,240
Speaker 1: you guys want to see in this one and these

450
00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,080
Speaker 1: are some of the grids. It's just that they did. Yeah,

451
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 1: so you guys can see that now you can't see

452
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 1: it out there. But but you can hear it, but

453
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:06,720
Speaker 1: you can hear it, you can totally hear it. But

454
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,639
Speaker 1: they flew a lot of great patterns, uh, and they

455
00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:14,280
Speaker 1: pretty comprehensively, you know, covered the area. Didn't find anything,

456
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 1: which I mean that seems unusual to anything. Yeah, exactly,

457
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:26,399
Speaker 1: because at the boat sank. Yeah, there's floats exactly. Everything

458
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 1: on the boat is designed to float. Yeah, I know,

459
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 1: I know. That's what they call flots of me yea hopefully,

460
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,800
Speaker 1: which is saying sailories for floaty bits. And there should

461
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,199
Speaker 1: have been at least a couple of boat Christians or something.

462
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 1: And when they were out there, they spotted other wreckage

463
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,040
Speaker 1: that was from other boats or the ships. They found

464
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,560
Speaker 1: other stuff, just nothing from his boat, which is nothing

465
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 1: at all. So they were able to find small objects

466
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 1: floating in the in the ocean, but nothing from his

467
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 1: boat at all, which was a little weird. I think

468
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 1: they covered something like forty square miles of ocean. Yeah,

469
00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 1: quite a bit. But meantime, Jim Gray's high tech friends

470
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 1: have heard about all this. They're starting to getting involved

471
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,400
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna really shorten this down quite a bit.

472
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 1: Microsoft provided pretty much unlimited funding from the private searches

473
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:11,880
Speaker 1: that they did, and they did a lot of stuff

474
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 1: including flying over with airplanes and helicopters and stuff, and

475
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 1: eventually I think his wife hired a ship that had

476
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,399
Speaker 1: site scanning sonar and all kinds of resources like that

477
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 1: to scan the entire ocean bottom and everything in the

478
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 1: air where they could. Yeah, there is a continental shelf

479
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 1: out there. Yeah. Where was James Cameron? Yeah, I he

480
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 1: must have been awesomewhere making a movie. Yeah, Microsoft and Google,

481
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,359
Speaker 1: though they worked together, they get their hands on as

482
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 1: much satellite imagery as they could. The Canadian Space Agency

483
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,639
Speaker 1: diverted satellite equipped with radar to fly over the search

484
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 1: area to private satellites from Digital Globe and g OI

485
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 1: were also repositioned. That's crazy. Yeah, I know, that's a

486
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 1: lot of resources. NASA sent an e R two plane,

487
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,359
Speaker 1: which I guess is a kind of like a commercial

488
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 1: spy plane. It's a trainer that they use and yeah,

489
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 1: and it's a quickly that's like a lot of resources.

490
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: I hope you guys know that. When I mean, if

491
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 1: my thing that I expect at least this kind of

492
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 1: reaction totally totally when they want to be Ye Devon

493
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 1: from thicking sideways is missing. Oh my god, called Google,

494
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:26,640
Speaker 1: called Amazon. Call, Yeah, he's down at the Yeah, noil

495
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 1: mobile art will totally get it to people. I placed

496
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 1: twenty five cents for the search start a kick Starter. Yeah.

497
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 1: But of course at this point though, they have a

498
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,360
Speaker 1: huge amount of satellite imagery to look for, to look through,

499
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 1: I should say, uh so, some of the mucky MUCKs

500
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 1: at Amazon decided to because of course they were involved

501
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,880
Speaker 1: in this too, they decided to use this Amazon service

502
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 1: called Mechanical Turk, which is my favorite mechanical Yeah. When

503
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 1: I was when I first moved back to Portland and

504
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 1: was like super underemployed, I did Mechanical Turking for many Yeah.

505
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,120
Speaker 1: I just like the history of the name. I love

506
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 1: the history of the name too. But yeah, I was,

507
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: like I was, it's a pretty good service overall, but

508
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 1: definitely for something like this where you can just get

509
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 1: a ton of volunteers to just our stuff. Yeah, exactly,

510
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: And that's kind of what this is for. Is like,

511
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 1: you know, it's like when you have something to do

512
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 1: that it requires a lot of repetition, but you don't

513
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 1: want to sit down and actually build machines to do

514
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 1: it or write a fantastic amount of computer software well,

515
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 1: and it would take way longer than it would to

516
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: just exactly to the public. It also turns out that

517
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 1: machines are only so good. They will do what you

518
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 1: tell them, but they won't make any leaps. Have you?

519
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,120
Speaker 1: Did you hear this stuff about all of this imagery

520
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 1: from space that they were having some software applications scan

521
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,679
Speaker 1: looking for new planets and stuff like that, or or

522
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 1: the looking for changes in the intensity of stars, because

523
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 1: then they could tell us something had passed in front

524
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 1: of it, like a planet or or whatever. So the

525
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 1: software is returning nothing, basically nothing, and they're like, well,

526
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 1: this is a little weird. They give it to all

527
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: these volunteers, and these volunteers start finding thousands of these

528
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 1: instances because the computer it was doing what it was

529
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,640
Speaker 1: told and it wasn't saying, well let me check five

530
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: you know however much ago, and so it's that. So

531
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: it's always better sometimes with things like this to actually

532
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 1: have a person to do it who does pattern recognition

533
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 1: much better than a machine. Well, this is the sort

534
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,360
Speaker 1: of thing also that it would have been really nice

535
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 1: to have been able like two thousand sevens little too early,

536
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: but if it happened today, like they would mobilize Reddit

537
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: and web sleuths. Right, those are two communities where if

538
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 1: you just say, hey, we're trying to find this person,

539
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: here's like literally millions of images. Please you guys go

540
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 1: through this and see if you can find any anomalies.

541
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 1: Those two communities together are so amazing. I mean, to

542
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: a fault, Like oftentimes there's a lot of false stuff

543
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: that happens out of that. We've talked about this long,

544
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: but I mean that's the sort of thing that would

545
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: have been great in this situation as well. But I

546
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 1: think the Amazon thinking to use mechanical Turk community for

547
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 1: this sort of thing is phenomenal, made a lot of sense.

548
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 1: It's crazy. So they dimmied up all these thousands and

549
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:22,239
Speaker 1: thousands of images and just parceled out. They put out

550
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:26,199
Speaker 1: a call for volunteers and they got like twelve volunteers,

551
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: which is pretty good. It spent a weekend looking to

552
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: you about thirty thousand square miles of water. Then they

553
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 1: came up with a few possible settings. Uh, and then

554
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,400
Speaker 1: of course they had you know, again, this is where

555
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 1: it's it's good to have high tech buddies involved because

556
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,239
Speaker 1: the problem is it's the pictures were taken like well

557
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: it's Monday morning. The pictures were taken last Friday or

558
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 1: Thursday or whatever. So so they got to use these

559
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: digital wizards come in and say, okay, well, you know,

560
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna like write this software in a real huge

561
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 1: her rate to chart the ocean currents and the winds

562
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: and everything else, you know, and figure out where those

563
00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: things would be now. But alas, even without that, when

564
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 1: they got out to check out the few possibilities they

565
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,679
Speaker 1: found in the photographs, there was nothing there. Um, And

566
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 1: I'm really kind of understating the complexity of the search

567
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 1: and all the technical expertise it was brought to bear.

568
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: It's a really good article and Wired I sent you

569
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 1: guys a link to it. I don't know if you

570
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: guys read it. I love Wired articles on things like

571
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: this really, I mean, like, oh yeah, but they're really

572
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: well written all the time, and they go into such

573
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 1: incredible detail. But I also still feel like they totally

574
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 1: understand everything they're saying. You know, it's rare to find

575
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 1: a Wired article on something that we're covering, but like

576
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: when we do. Anytime any of you links to Wired it,

577
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: I'm just like, yes, that is the one. If I like,

578
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: if I only have to read one, it's going to

579
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: be that one. What is the other one that that

580
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: does a really good job that I like? Is it

581
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: is Motherboard under Vice? Now? Is that motherboard is a

582
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: website and they have all these long form and I

583
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: think they're on I think they're part of Vice now.

584
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: But I always like there's because it's the same thing.

585
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: It's just like laid out so much detail. There. There

586
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: was the Lizan Chris Kramer's one. I think that was.

587
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: I think it was. I think it might have even

588
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: been wired. It's really a lot, but anyway, I just yeah,

589
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: I think definitely if you guys are interested in this article, now,

590
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: that's a good article and it's it's got lots and

591
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 1: less of detail about the search and all the various

592
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: people that were involved. But the point is for me

593
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: in our story here is that when the Coastguard devotes

594
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: the resources that they did, and they devoted a lot

595
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: of resources to look for Jim's boat for a single person.

596
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,959
Speaker 1: By the way, the coast Guard, they're they're good at

597
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: what they do. Yeah, like it's their jobs. It's like

598
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: they have one job exactly. I mean, those guys are

599
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: really the coast. Yeah, yeah, there, and I guess that's

600
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: two jobs. Yeah, but then they're also joined by what Google, Microsoft, Amazon, Oracle, NASA,

601
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: you know, and it granted we're talking about the two

602
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: thousand seven versions of these things, not the two thousand

603
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: and seventeen versions of these things, but still into two

604
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: thousand and seven, they are giants. They are, Oh yeah,

605
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: they were giant back then. And even with all of that,

606
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: they just didn't find literally a single that didn't find squat. Yeah,

607
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: they didn't, not even like an arm floaty, not even

608
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: an arm floaty, not even not even a beer cozy.

609
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: Yeah it seems crazy, Yeah, not a thing. Doesn't that

610
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: seem crazy to you? Steve? Well, yeah, it's a little puzzling.

611
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: Doesn't it seem crazy to you? Joel? It does seem

612
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: a little crazy? Yeah, a little bit. So what the

613
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: hell happened? What happened to Jim Graha? That's tenacious? Really?

614
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: How could they have vanished without a trace? Because I

615
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: gotta admit that's a little spooky. I know it ain't Halloween,

616
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: but it's still a little spooky. Aliens I like it. Yeah, Okay,

617
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: they're done, not done properly today for that for that statement, true, Okay,

618
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: let's talk about some theories. Um, I'm gonna put these

619
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: out of no particular order, really them not from bad

620
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: to good or good to bad. But starting from the front,

621
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: let's talk about suicide very briefly, because I don't think

622
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: this is a good theory. I agree, Um, yeah, I

623
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: just don't think so. There was everybody knew him, said now,

624
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: it didn't seem to fit his personality, the type of

625
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: guy that he was, Yeah, not at all. And he

626
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: showed no signs of depression. Actually actually was you know,

627
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: very active and had very with it and YadA, YadA, YadA.

628
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: So uh yeah, no, I don't, I don't. I think

629
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: we could just ignore this one. Another one that's been

630
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: put forward by some of some of Jim's follow sailors.

631
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: This actually did appear in a few articles was Orca's.

632
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: They thought that perhaps some Orca's killer whales, Yeah, killer whales. Uh,

633
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: the stook the tenacious for a dolphin. But actually yeah,

634
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: one of their fellow voters did just say he had

635
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: a near miss with an orca at one time. But

636
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: I think probably it might have been the orc It

637
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: was just playing chicken with him because I don't think yeah, yeah,

638
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: they can be Okay, did either of you? God I did.

639
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: This was a movie from like the seventies or eighties,

640
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: and it may well have just been called Orca. But

641
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: there was a killer whale movie where an orca chased

642
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: a boat and eventually sank it to take revenge inge

643
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: out on it. And I think these people saw that movie.

644
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,479
Speaker 1: There's there's only as far as a wonderable movie. By

645
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: the way, Yeah, I only know one documented incident of

646
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: an orca attacking a whale and sinking it, which is

647
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: in ninety seventy two near the Galapagos Islands. And but

648
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: but otherwise attacked by wild killer whales on humans, I

649
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: mean the ones that the ones that are in captivity,

650
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: that's a whole different ball of wax. Well, yeah, sometimes

651
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: they kill their trainers, yeah exactly, But the actual wild ones, uh,

652
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: you know, it's extremely rare, I mean really really rare. Well,

653
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: their prey is like half the size if that of

654
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: a boat, Like whales, aren't that, yeah, you know, one

655
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: to two percent the size? Yeah, they're not that Yeah, yeah,

656
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: I mean I think actually, I think a boat of

657
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: forty boat is probably almost about the size of I

658
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm sorry, We're gonna get like a million emails.

659
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: I don't know how big orcas are, but I would

660
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: say it's closer to the size of an orca than

661
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: it is something that an orca would kill. Yeah, exactly.

662
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: You want to say, if you want to sing that

663
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: thing as an orca, you can't pick up an orca

664
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: tire iron and it just hammer on it with your head,

665
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: your forehead on it. Yeah, pretty good teeth. But yeah,

666
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: I think that's it's silly. Yeah, I think it's absurd.

667
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: I don't think you're silly. Theories Yeah, most right here

668
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: Momobie Dick, the musical Mobe Dick. It's a whale of

669
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: a tail. I never heard good singing, but yeah, good singing,

670
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: but no good singing, but no contract. Another theory that's

671
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: out there. Or rogue wave you got you've heard of

672
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: these things that the waves do go rogue. Um we

673
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: talked about that in a lighthouse thing once, right, Yeah,

674
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: many many Joe's stories, because Joe's stories always take place

675
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: at sea. Oh yeah, just about yeah, yeah, so roague. Well,

676
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: you know, whatever happened bad childhood, it goes rogue. But

677
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: at the same time, nobody else reported any you know,

678
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: there was a lot of traffic in the area. Nobody

679
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: else reported a rogue wave out there. But well, the

680
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: thing is about roal hook waves is that they're unexpected

681
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: and they don't have to be extremely long lived. I mean,

682
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: if it's something that's coming in off of the out

683
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: off of the continental shelf, is looking for that word,

684
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: and it's his boat, and then before it goes to

685
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: another gets spotted by another boat, that's entirely possible which

686
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: point his boat if it was under sail or under motor.

687
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: Under it's a diesel engine, Yeah, yeah, suddenly, god, I really,

688
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: But if it was under motor, it would have just

689
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: under power. It would have just kept going, yeah, which

690
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 1: would explain a lot of things. Yeah, And actually it

691
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: was a it's a ballast to sail boats, so you know,

692
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: it's even if it had actually turned turtle, which is

693
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 1: sailories were just turning all the way over, it's gonna

694
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: come back up. Yeah, it's got a four time keel

695
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: on the bottom of it. This kind of boat is

696
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: meant to be really hard to what is it when

697
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: they call when you thank you leans way over Yeah,

698
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: it's it's actually really hard to do their boat for

699
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. And so yeah, I'm not really

700
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: buying the roadway. I mean, the roadwave could have swept

701
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 1: Jim overboard, but I think the boat probably would have

702
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: survived it. But he was wearing a harness. He was

703
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 1: wearing her harness. He said that to his wife. I

704
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: have I have told my wife I was using a

705
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: lot of safety equipment. Yes, honey, I am wearing my

706
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: safety glasses. That's right now. You asked for pictures. Yeah,

707
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: this stuff just sort of took a detour around my

708
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:37,439
Speaker 1: safety glasses and better stuff of my It went through him. Yeah,

709
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: the road wave, I'm not buying it. Another another serious

710
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: out there that his fellow boaters again put out once

711
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 1: some reporters will buying and asked them what they thought

712
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: had happened. Was that, Yeah, maybe he just checked out,

713
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 1: decided to start a new life. They thought they thought

714
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 1: he was probably down in Bajau just drinking Margaret read

715
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 1: is and you know, reading the papers about himself and

716
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: having a good laugh about the whole thing. And maybe

717
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: he repeinted his boat, uh painted black white whatever, and

718
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 1: just changed his name and he's you know, even living,

719
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 1: even living today and somewhere in Mexico. I kind of

720
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 1: like this theory. I tend to like theories like this

721
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 1: because it's like the least painful for everyone. Yeah. Actually,

722
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:19,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna wait till Joe gets to the end. I

723
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: have some thoughts on this. I actually like this one.

724
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: He liked to say. Okay, well, yeah, I mean and

725
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: he's certainly he's Jim is or was a clever guy,

726
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: depending on whether he's alive or dead, and a very

727
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: smart guy. If anybody could have snucked away, pooled everybody

728
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 1: and changed his name and been in hiding forever, you know,

729
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: it probably would have been him. And there is some

730
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: support on on Reddit believe it or not. In maywelve,

731
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: which was three months after Jim Gray was declared legally

732
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: dead because it's a five year five year waiting period

733
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 1: in California, apparently, Yeah, and I used by the name

734
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: of quote Tom Gold unquote posted the message saying that

735
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: he quote made it appear to my family that I

736
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: died on boat trip in the Pacific unquote. And he

737
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: also said that he was quote dead dead in the

738
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 1: United States unquote, and that he was living in Kenya

739
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: under a false name. This guy could have just pulled

740
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:17,439
Speaker 1: the Rebecca Cormian. Yeah. I will say Jim does not

741
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: seem like the kind of guy who have referred to

742
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:27,720
Speaker 1: his expensive sailboat as a boating trip a boat trip. Yeah. Yeah,

743
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: it seems like he would have said, like I faked

744
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: a death on my sailing. Maybe maybe if if Tom

745
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: Gold was indeed claimed, wasn't he trying to pretend to

746
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: be Jim Gray Although he didn't actually literally claim to

747
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 1: be Jim Gray. He maybe it may have been channeling

748
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 1: a different narrative boys, so that that would explain that. Okay,

749
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,280
Speaker 1: But there was a there was a rhetor eye that

750
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: it rehetoria hddordye whatever. Yeah, this guy actually did a

751
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: little research. Again, he didn't say it was Jim Gray.

752
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: Tom Gold did not say that, but he compared his

753
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: statements to the circumstances around various voting disappearances and came

754
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: up with, guess what, Jim Gray. It matched that case,

755
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: and no other one really matched as well. So it

756
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 1: was Tom Gold actually Jim Gray and the Tom the

757
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: account that used the name Tom Gold. They referred to

758
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: it as a throw. It was created and then disappeared.

759
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: I love you guys so much. Not everybody is a

760
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:31,280
Speaker 1: Reddit aficionado, DEVI like, will you tell me the booty churms?

761
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: But everybody knews ridded. No, I just like that. You're like,

762
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: I think they referred to it as a throwaway account.

763
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: I can't remember what the article say. No, I know.

764
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: It's just the number of accounts on riddit that are

765
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: like throwaway one to twelve is like astonishing because everybody

766
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 1: has a throwaway account. See, I know That's why I

767
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: love you guys. You got to throw away account? Yeah?

768
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: Is that kind of like a throwaway piece at the

769
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: cops carry Yeah? Yeah, same thing. Can't could be ditched,

770
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: It can't be traced you Yeah, actually is? Yeah? Yeah,

771
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 1: I like it. I gotta get any one of them. Yeah,

772
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: back to our friends. Yeah. As far as I know,

773
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: he never posted again, at least not under that name.

774
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: The thing about it is is, like, you know, you

775
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 1: guys might disagree. I think that Jim Gray, excuse me,

776
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 1: had nothing to gain by starting over again in a

777
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: foreign country with nothing, although maybe he would have thought

778
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: of it as a huge adventure. I don't know, but

779
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: you know what he walked away from? What is what

780
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: he's walking away from is he He had his wife, friends, family,

781
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: he had his new grandson, he had money, he had

782
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: he liked his career. He loved his career from everything

783
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,720
Speaker 1: I've heard, uh, And he had a house on Telegraph Hill. Hello,

784
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: I mean do you want I'm just gonna go. And

785
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: I just all I want to say about this is that, like,

786
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: no matter how good things look on paper, Yeah, we

787
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: never know what an individuals experiencing. Yeah, I mean you

788
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: guys know this. Like I just I quit my job recently,

789
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: and it was like I was getting paid way more

790
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: than I should have been getting paid it and like

791
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: all of these different things. And I quit my job

792
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,280
Speaker 1: because like on paper, it was perfect, it was awesome,

793
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,399
Speaker 1: it was a really sweet deal. But I just hated it.

794
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 1: And I would say that that there there's no way

795
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,760
Speaker 1: to be able to tell as an outsider. Even probably

796
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: his wife probably as long because he probably wasn't wouldn't

797
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: express that to her. There's no way for somebody who

798
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: isn't him to know exactly what was going on in

799
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 1: his life and when he was feeling. And maybe it

800
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: is I mean, you know, we don't know. He might

801
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: have had a private account that he had what like

802
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: a cool million dollars that he took out in cash,

803
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: and he took with him to Mexico and he's been

804
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: living large. You know, you go to Thailand a million

805
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 1: dollars left last you a lifetime. I mean yeah, I

806
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: mean really, there are so many places, so we don't

807
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: know for sure. I'm not saying this is like a

808
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: perfect theory that like, but I will say that I

809
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 1: agree that on paper his life seems absolutely phenomenal and perfect,

810
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,240
Speaker 1: but you just never really know, you know, I wouldn't

811
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: say his life was effect he had boat. I mean,

812
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 1: perfect is like a four hundred Okay, on paper, his

813
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: life is pretty dang good. Yeah, it's pretty good. But

814
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: you know, I guess it's unless you live his life

815
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: and you are the exact same human as him, it's

816
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 1: hard to tell. That's why I liked this theory. I

817
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: also like this theory because it means he's like just

818
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: still alive somewhere, like having a good time. So Devin, Yeah,

819
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: I'm really kind of upset. Are you hacking my email?

820
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: Because I wrote all this out and you just stole

821
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: the entire thing. You wrote out the story about me

822
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 1: quitting my job. But I was actually going down the

823
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: same road. But I mean I think I was going

824
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: to say, and you touched on this briefly, is that

825
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: if he indeed was fed up with it all, and

826
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: we've all sat around and said, you know, God, I'm

827
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: tired of this crap, well he could have very easily

828
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: have said, you know, in a year, I'm out of here.

829
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: And every week he went down to the A T M.

830
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: And he got three hundred bucks in cash, and every

831
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: day for a year he did that. And I'm not

832
00:41:58,120 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: going to do the bath on that because we got

833
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: out well for doing that kind of math off the

834
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: back of my real quick. But the point is he

835
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: could have a huge wad of cash sitting in the

836
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: hall of that boat. So when he took off, he

837
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: paid you know, somebody a hundred gray or had he

838
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: would have had a hundred grand. Yeah, he'd had a

839
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: bunch of money on him, paid him, like you said,

840
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: to do whatever, and then just took off because a

841
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars is a whole lot of pacos, And

842
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: he just goes and does whatever he wants, and it's

843
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 1: it's completely it's a lack of stress at that point.

844
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: I mean, his life may have been unbearably stressful, and

845
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,359
Speaker 1: you go, you know what, I'm gonna get up when

846
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: I want to get up. I'm gonna go sleep and

847
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: I want to sleep. I'm gonna drink as much as

848
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 1: I want or eat as much as I want. Nobody's

849
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 1: gonna tell me I don't have anything to hold me back,

850
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: and just I'm only gonna make it for five more years,

851
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,919
Speaker 1: but hey, they're gonna be Scott free. Five years could

852
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: be um. So I just I don't think it's as

853
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: dismissable as you do because it looks it, but that

854
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,760
Speaker 1: doesn't mean it is good. Yeah. Yeah. On the other hand,

855
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: guy Kawasaki, who's this like, he's this guy who goes

856
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 1: around and speaks all the time, but he was like

857
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: one of the Steve Jobs Apple and innovators. You know.

858
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: He talks a lot about his time in early Apple

859
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: and how it was just like this. They flew first

860
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 1: class everywhere. It was this free for all. So, I mean,

861
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: I I don't know that his life. Yeah, I don't know.

862
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: It's hard. This is one of those theories right where

863
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: it's I'm just I keep arguing both sides, but yeah,

864
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: account it counts for a few things, you know, and

865
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: I probably didn't mention that there was. He had two

866
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 1: radios on the boat. It still did not manage to

867
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: get a discress a distress call out if he was

868
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: thinking or anything like that. Didn't manage to deploy his

869
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 1: life raft, which I think what he had, it didn't

870
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: He didn't have the automatic the kind of deploy and

871
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: automatically to flight. When he hit the water, he had

872
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: to kind of had to pull it out. And yeah, yeah,

873
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:59,879
Speaker 1: I did not know, not even that sick a cord

874
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 1: to it and actually like stop it with your foot,

875
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: you know, use a pump it up now and stuff.

876
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: So and then his EPERB didn't go off, which is

877
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 1: this thing that goes off when it hits when you

878
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 1: rote sinks, it deploys when it hits the water, and

879
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: little signal. Right, yeah, it sends out a signal that

880
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: didn't go off, and a good records and so the

881
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 1: whole suicide thing would explain all of that, explain to

882
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: lack of distress called wreckageper signal everything the other life Yeah,

883
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: but there's an explain that though. But there are other

884
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: things that might explain that too. But this is this

885
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 1: is the easy one to explain on that because it

886
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: explains why none of that stuff was triggered. Yeah, that's

887
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: that's is Yeah, it does. And another one that might

888
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,959
Speaker 1: explain that is our next theory. So I'm not gonna

889
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give this one for me to leave you

890
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: to start in your life. I'm going to give it

891
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: a fail, but a soft fail, like a D. Yeah. Yeah,

892
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 1: I give it a D minus, like an almost failing

893
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: but like still kind of passing. Uh. And it's I

894
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 1: think it's possible a two and a half to five stars.

895
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: That's a thinking sideways. And I mean and it could

896
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: be too that, you know. I mean, he had so

897
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: much to live for you as his new grandson, but

898
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: maybe the new grandson finally came in along and then

899
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: the kid was just ugly. He just decided, Okay, I'm

900
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: not cut out to be a grandpa. I'm really But

901
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: I'm still gonna give it. The next theory is he

902
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: had some sort of accident or something that incapacitated him,

903
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: like a heart attack or a stroke. He fell and

904
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 1: smashed his head and then that was like just basically

905
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 1: didn't quite kill him, but it knocked him out for

906
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 1: a long period of time, long enough, but maybe just

907
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,760
Speaker 1: fell overboard, you know, I mean, any one of these things.

908
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: The tenasitions was equipped with an autopilot, and I pretty

909
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 1: good that Gray would have probably at some point during

910
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: the day have gotten bored with steering the boat and

911
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: turned the auto pilot on and so. And obviously if

912
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 1: he wanted to say, go below and go to the head,

913
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: maybe make some tea, he would he would have to

914
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: set the autopilot. And so what if the auto pilot

915
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 1: was on and he becomes incapacitated for some reason, like

916
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: I said, a heart attack, whatever, and the boat was

917
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: just to say, set to go west and it just

918
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: keeps on going west. Yeah. Yeah, you know, someday this

919
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: is we're gonna be talking about this once driverless car

920
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: has become a thing. Driving to the Grand Canyon, well,

921
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: the car was programed to just drive west. Yeah, I

922
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: know exactly. So yeah, I mean I could just see

923
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: that the final pull one over and they'll have a

924
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: mummy beyond the wheel. They found that they actually found

925
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: the Saale boat. Just last year. They had this German

926
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: guy who was down in the Yeah below it actually

927
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: was momified. Yeah did you see that article? Yeah, yeah,

928
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: it was creepy as hell had dried him out like

929
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: a prune. Uh yeah, he was just touched over his

930
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 1: chart table and yeah, well I would say, you know,

931
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: the sort of idea of a heart attack or a

932
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,439
Speaker 1: stroke or something like that. Again, if if we're talking

933
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: about somebody who's in the tech sector in the early

934
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: two thousands, he you know, he's working for Microsoft. He's

935
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: apparently like super brilliant. It is possible also that it

936
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 1: was super super stressful, and he know it's possible he

937
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 1: just you know, keeled over on on accident. Yeah, I mean,

938
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: or maybe even like I know, his motor wasn't running.

939
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: I was going to say, like even like a don't

940
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: know that the engine was running, you can do bolt

941
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: at the same time. So I mean that's one of

942
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,399
Speaker 1: the things that I've always been like, Well, he may

943
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: not have been up there just using the sale. He

944
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: may have just said screw it, turned on the engine,

945
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: maybe turn on the engine and turn on the out

946
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 1: of pilot you know, and everything, and just had the

947
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: whole kid, you know thing going and just said I'm

948
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: going to take a nap, you know or whatever and

949
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: have a drink. Yeah. Yeah, and then he has a

950
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 1: stroke and bam, next thing you know, well, you know

951
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 1: he's dead in his boat. As a thousand miles away

952
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: from shore, that would put the boat pretty solidly outside

953
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: of any kind of search area, right, Well, it depends

954
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: on when they started searching and how far out they

955
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,240
Speaker 1: went and the time. It depends on a lot of factors.

956
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: I was going to talk about that a little bit

957
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 1: more later. It just depends on how far out they

958
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 1: flew in searches. But it explains why no trace of

959
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: the boat was found because well, it didn't sink, so

960
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: there wouldn't be any flotsam, there wouldn't be any distress

961
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: signal or anything like that. Eventually there would be flotsam,

962
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: but by that point, no woudy, you'll be looking for

963
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 1: it all by that time too. Assuming the boat goes

964
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: out of say a thousand or two miles into the

965
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: Pacific and then sinks, well the plots are making to

966
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,760
Speaker 1: wind up at the California coast. Most likely not likely

967
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: at all. But of course it could be that the

968
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: boat would just sail across the Pacific without mishap like like,

969
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: that's kind of unlikely. Uh, These kind of the kind

970
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 1: of Autopiloti's got there's two kinds of autopilots that you

971
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,439
Speaker 1: can get in your sail boat. One is the kind

972
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: that uses no power. It uses like a vein, like

973
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: a wind vein, and you know, the kind of talking

974
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: about yeah, yeah and so somehow yeah and so. What

975
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 1: that does is that maintains that maintains your heading relative

976
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: to the wind. So if the wind is coming straight

977
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: from the north and your head in the west, it's

978
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: ninety degrees and then the wind shifts, say forty five degrees,

979
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: while your heading is gonna shift forty five degrees, but

980
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: it's gonna basically keep keeping in the same ankle relative

981
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: angle relative to the wind. The other kind is what

982
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 1: he had on the Tenacious, was the electrical electronic kind

983
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: where you can set a compass bearing and then what

984
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 1: it will do is it will actually it's connected to

985
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 1: the rudder the main mast and everything, and so it

986
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: will turn the rudder and make sure to keep you

987
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 1: going in the right direction. And if the wind shifts,

988
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: it will actually let out row up or pull rope

989
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: in or what or whatever. Yes, very fancy, a little

990
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: harder on the batteries, I mean, so you know, if

991
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: he did have the diesel going when he had his

992
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: accident or whatever it was, his mishap, then obviously the

993
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: autopilot is going to keep going a lot longer because

994
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: otherwise the autopilot is going to drain the battery. And

995
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: I don't know how quickly, you know. Actually I actually

996
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: called a sailing place here in town and they were

997
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 1: busy or promised to call me back, and they didn't.

998
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, I know, surprised, but there I was gonna

999
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 1: ask you that how long would your battery go for?

1000
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: And probably not that long because listen, I've been on

1001
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: houseboats where the refrigerator, dang your drained the batteries overnight.

1002
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 1: Uh huh, I mean they're they're typically the equivalent of

1003
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 1: three to six car batteries linked together. Yeah, yeah, and

1004
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 1: so I and again I don't I don't think that

1005
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 1: the autopilot would have been nearly as big of a

1006
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: drain on the batteries of a a refrigerator. But it's still

1007
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 1: would have a little radio probably, yeah, And apparently a

1008
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 1: lot of it depends on just conditions. Uh. If if,

1009
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: for example, it's just a steady light wind and everything

1010
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: like that, the autopilot doesn't have to do not to

1011
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 1: do much, but if on the other hand, of the

1012
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,760
Speaker 1: winds gusting changing all the time, it's it's just working constantly.

1013
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: It's gonna train your battery quickly. Then again, though, if

1014
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: you turn on your diesel and your diesel is going'm

1015
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: recharging the battery, then hey, you could actually go for

1016
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: a couple of days, maybe several days. Maybe. Yeah, So

1017
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: I gotta get the one maybe like a C plus yeah,

1018
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 1: C plus B minus something like that. Yeah, uh, maybe

1019
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: even a B. I don't know, So I think I

1020
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 1: think be you're getting into a much higher than a

1021
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: maybe range there. Yeah, you're getting on a weird curve. Yeah.

1022
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: I would say a C is like a maybe a

1023
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: b's like a probably a like like two or three

1024
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:27,240
Speaker 1: quarter stars. Yeah, i'd say this one like a generation

1025
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: why kind of Yeah, reading what I said the two

1026
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: and a half was us very confused. Somebody's gotta like,

1027
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 1: like publish a table that's got a conversion table for

1028
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 1: all the different podcasts in their rating systems. Yeah, so

1029
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: what's next next? This is another theory that the coast

1030
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 1: Guard had they actually checked this one now, which is

1031
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:51,760
Speaker 1: that he could have been run over by a freighter,

1032
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 1: which does happen. I mean yes, but yeah, yeah, well,

1033
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:57,439
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of traffic. Like I said,

1034
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 1: there's actually there's four major pote ports in San Francisco Bay.

1035
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 1: There's like San Francisco, and there's the big ones a

1036
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: couple more, and then there's what else. There's like Sacramento

1037
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 1: and and there's stock there's a whole boatload of them

1038
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: up and down the coastline. Yeah. But but just in

1039
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: the bay or through the bay, there's six ports there.

1040
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 1: H So that's a huge amount of ship traffic coming

1041
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: and going and so, and it's not unheard of for

1042
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 1: a big ship to run a smaller one. Of course,

1043
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 1: the rule is the smaller ship has to make way. Yeah, yeah,

1044
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 1: because you're the more agile of the two. So little

1045
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: ship get out of way, big ship keep going through.

1046
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: That's how it happened. There's a hundred percent of the

1047
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: time these things remind me of that story where it's

1048
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 1: like the U. S. Navy ship and the what turns

1049
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 1: out to be a lighthouse. Yeah, we are the U. S.

1050
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 1: Navy and they're like, okay, we're a lighthouse, so it's

1051
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 1: your choice. Yeah. That always reminds me of this. I'm

1052
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: so sorry. Yeah, there's but speaking but yeah, I mean

1053
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: if speaking of the U. S. Navy though, I mean

1054
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 1: the US NABE just recently had proved it it was

1055
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:14,399
Speaker 1: having a hard time avoiding itself avoiding collisions too. I mean,

1056
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: you've heard about those two well publicized incidents, yea, extremely

1057
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,839
Speaker 1: well pubblicized. And apparently other people have a hard time

1058
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 1: avoiding huge ships because there's even a book written about it.

1059
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys have heard of that one,

1060
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: How to Avoid Chots, How to Avoid Huge Ships. It's

1061
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 1: on Amazon. It's got him four views. Yeah, so it's

1062
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 1: obviously a very important time Bucks or something silly. I

1063
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 1: think it's cheap and you get it used for like Bucks,

1064
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 1: but I think brand new, it's like two fifty something

1065
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 1: like that. The book version is ten dollars. Yeah. Yeah,

1066
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 1: the big ships is supposed to have radar on them.

1067
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 1: Of course they should have been able to see him

1068
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 1: on radar, but that assumes somebody is actually watching the

1069
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 1: radar set. Yeah, I don't feel like, yeah they don't. Yeah. Again,

1070
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: having worked on a cruise ship, I shouldn't probably say this.

1071
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it anyway, Like I said, I've I've

1072
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 1: said this before I was friends with the first mate,

1073
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: and you sometimes you'd go up to the bridge and

1074
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 1: you're just getting a conversation with everybody up there, and

1075
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 1: suddenly you realize the dude who's supposed to be watching

1076
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 1: the radar sitting there talking to you, like maintaining eye contact,

1077
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 1: and you're like, well, you're supposed to be looking at that.

1078
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 1: We gotta run into an iceberger, Like what happening so

1079
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 1: that the speakers it'll make a noise. Yeah, I mean well,

1080
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: and also the a lot of a lot of the

1081
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:32,240
Speaker 1: shipping companies kind of understaffed their boats. I guess sailors

1082
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: cost money, sure, yeah, and so why do that when

1083
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 1: you can get a mechanical turk to do it exactly?

1084
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:39,720
Speaker 1: So having it like, you know, having a guy stationed

1085
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 1: on the bow looking out front, that's not necessarily, yeah,

1086
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: not necessarily. It's having a guy on the bridge looking

1087
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 1: at you know, looking at the radars and maybe not

1088
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: but maybe he was in the head or it does

1089
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: seem like it would be hard for Jim to have

1090
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 1: missed a ship that big. It does seem like it

1091
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 1: would be hard. We had an accident. I was about

1092
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 1: to say, unless this runs in tandem with like the

1093
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: last theory. But then, but then it doesn't explain why

1094
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,320
Speaker 1: none of the body floaty bits, the floaty body bits

1095
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: didn't show up there. He could have. He could have,

1096
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 1: if it's a combination, least there he could have gone

1097
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:19,879
Speaker 1: let's say four or five miles out and then got

1098
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 1: run over. And then all the flots them and the

1099
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 1: bits and pieces they're gonna spread around, they're not going

1100
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: to be in search area. Or maybe you know, or

1101
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 1: maybe it's you know, he gets plowed over, even not

1102
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 1: even that far out, he gets plowed over, and maybe

1103
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 1: it wasn't dead of a heart attack or anything, but

1104
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:38,879
Speaker 1: he was just high on shrewms or something like that.

1105
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 1: You know, you made that up. You got a beard

1106
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 1: in San Francisco. Yeah, you have a beard. You live

1107
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 1: in Portland's good point? Okay, Um, but yeah, maybe he

1108
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: got he gets plowed over, and all the floaty bits

1109
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 1: that would have floated get all sliced and diced up

1110
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 1: in the props and freighter and so they don't float.

1111
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,879
Speaker 1: So maybe that I don't it seems like at least

1112
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 1: one would, yeah, but yeah, still, it does seem unlikely

1113
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 1: that neither vessel noticed the other again, it still happens.

1114
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 1: Like I said that the US freaking Navy big ship

1115
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 1: has a collision with a big freaking like you know,

1116
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 1: container ship. How the hell could that have happened? I mean,

1117
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 1: I'm still physics. I guess I'm pretty sure some has

1118
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 1: ruled in that particular situation. Huh. But was all over

1119
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 1: that they did? Actually, they checked all the records of

1120
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:38,359
Speaker 1: every ship that came and left the harbor on that day,

1121
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:40,839
Speaker 1: and they even some of them and I had left

1122
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 1: the harbor and they were clear across the ocean back

1123
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 1: in Japan or wherever, And they actually had local authorities

1124
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 1: go check their bows just to look for scratches and

1125
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 1: red paint things like that, and nothing their holes red.

1126
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:57,320
Speaker 1: Yeah noticed, Yeah, I mean you know it's a ship's

1127
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 1: crew actually to avoid liability, they might paint overall scratches

1128
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 1: in the red paint and stuff like that too. I mean,

1129
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 1: so it's it's even though I could say this to

1130
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 1: be kind of unlikely. Yeah, but doesn't it seem like,

1131
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 1: I mean, you would check like a little below the

1132
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 1: water level, and it's it seems like it'd be hard

1133
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 1: to paint unless your ship in dry dock. Well no, no,

1134
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 1: not necessarily. But you've got to remember that the cargo

1135
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 1: that is in the ship will dictate where the water

1136
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 1: line is on it to degree. So it is empty

1137
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 1: when they painted, and then it gets checked when it

1138
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: is fully loaded. The scratches they didn't paint are well

1139
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 1: below the water line and therefore won't be seen. Yeah,

1140
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 1: you'll see, like on a lot of the modern ones,

1141
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 1: just about all they had that bulbous bout thing going on.

1142
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: They're not like a traditional line and so ugly. Yeah

1143
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 1: it is ugly, but but a lot of those we

1144
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 1: have when they're empty, that thing is sticking up out

1145
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: of the water noticeably so and yeah, so um, I

1146
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 1: would have to say I still like this left for

1147
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: a new life better but yeah, but like the next theory,

1148
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 1: well oh yeah, pirates pirates night around, Yeah and actually

1149
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 1: ask us to do anything singing. The new job is

1150
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 1: obviously having an effect on the good one. Obviously, the

1151
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 1: good better mood than the usual. Yeah, not grumpy anymore,

1152
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 1: It's true. Hey, that's good. It might be this can

1153
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 1: of wine too, who knows, it's a whole new podcast.

1154
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:32,439
Speaker 1: Yeah uh yeah, but but it's pirates pirates. Yeah, they're

1155
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 1: not unheard of I mean and actually taking over small

1156
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: boats and and I'm like robbing them, taking their boat

1157
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 1: and selling that that kind of thing. It's not unheard

1158
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: of many parts of the world. It's not too common

1159
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 1: on the west coast of the U. Yeah, but it's

1160
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 1: a little it's also a little like it's not a

1161
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 1: cheap boat. Yeah, it's not. It's it's not like a

1162
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 1: crazy expensive one though either. Yeah, they're not. Actually the

1163
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 1: by this point two thousand seven, they were selling for

1164
00:58:56,840 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: reasonably cheap, oh less than that, Okay, yeah, actually check

1165
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 1: some listings and actually you can buy one of these nowadays,

1166
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 1: so I saw as cheap as likes that's hold on

1167
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 1: the bottom though, well that's probably not one that's like

1168
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 1: totally accessorized in tip top condition. Yeah, yeah, probably not.

1169
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 1: But still, I mean, does it I mean maybe, Yeah,

1170
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 1: I'm not a pirate, so I don't know. But yeah,

1171
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 1: it seems like a lot of work to have gone

1172
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 1: to for kind of a little payoff. Yeah. Well, I

1173
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 1: mean there's other possibilities, so, I mean, you know, supposing,

1174
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 1: for example, it's I mean, it's not necessarily a huge

1175
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 1: amount of work. Like suppose let's say, let's say, for example,

1176
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 1: you do want to you do want to get a boat.

1177
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 1: You don't have to have a huge payoff. You just

1178
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 1: go down to the marina, sneak inside, find some of

1179
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 1: somebody with a nice boat who was leaving. Just say hey, hi,

1180
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 1: nice boat, jump on, jump on a board, pull let

1181
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 1: your gun, and say hey, let's take it. Let's take

1182
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 1: a little ride. Yeah, there's some problems. There are some

1183
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 1: problems that let me let me go to the scenario.

1184
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 1: Let me go to so, you know, we we go

1185
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 1: out to see and at a certain point, you know,

1186
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 1: you've been sharing the guy. Oh you do, you play

1187
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 1: your cards right, You'll come out of this without getting hurt.

1188
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 1: And you just said I was joking, and you shoot

1189
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 1: him and throw him overboard, thinking about go to some

1190
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 1: other ports, sell the boat, and you know whatever valuables

1191
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 1: and stuff, and then you've gotten yourself maybe a free

1192
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 1: ride to another continent, you know, and also some pocket money,

1193
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: a little walking around money. And so it's entirely conceivable.

1194
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 1: There's other continent, do you mean country? Another country? Another continent? Technically,

1195
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 1: if it was loaded properly with supplies, you could take

1196
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 1: it all. Yeah, and probably now and far more likely

1197
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 1: that you would just take it to Mexico or Canada. Yeah,

1198
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 1: that's where pirates go. Oh yeah, good point. Yeah, we

1199
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 1: talked about those Canadian pirates before. Yeah, of course there's

1200
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 1: a problem with this, And I was gonna talk about

1201
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 1: there's there's another possibility I considered too, which is and

1202
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 1: so can I'll talk about this one too, which is

1203
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 1: it what if he was kidnapped by the North Koreans

1204
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 1: or somebody like the North Koreans, well, the Russians, the Chinese.

1205
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, it doesn't have to necessarily be

1206
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 1: the North Koreans. It just has to be somebody that

1207
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 1: recognizes his skills and Google that's who did it. Actually,

1208
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 1: it was probably a O well in a bid to

1209
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 1: get back on top. That's that's good. We don't want

1210
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 1: to be a joke anymore. We used to be. We

1211
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 1: used to be kiding of the hill. We we created aim,

1212
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 1: which they they're shutting down by the way December. Yeah. Yeah,

1213
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 1: but it could have been asked. It could have been Jeeves. Man,

1214
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 1: it's been my Space seven. They were still like doing it.

1215
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 1: Well still, it was what was it Tom? It was Tom? No,

1216
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 1: it wasn't Tom. There Tom didn't have that kind of

1217
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 1: organization was Tom from my space. Yeah, he was your

1218
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 1: first your first friend chilly white T shirt. That's right.

1219
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 1: I forgot about Tom been on my space. It's a

1220
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 1: different site now it really was it poorn? Now? No,

1221
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 1: it's it's music. It doesn't really matter. But yeah, I

1222
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 1: mean I guess it could have been somebody's like kidnapping him.

1223
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 1: But also you think he would have been like ransomed,

1224
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 1: especially when they saw like NASA repositioning satellites. You think

1225
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 1: that the people who kidnapped him would have been like,

1226
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 1: oh yeah, there's a lot of money to be thrown

1227
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 1: at this guy, like, let's let's ransom him. No you can.

1228
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 1: I mean at that point you double down. You know

1229
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 1: you've made a good decision and you have stolen something

1230
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 1: that obviously has a lot of worth and this person,

1231
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 1: and you're gonna get your money's worth out of him

1232
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 1: when you get him back to your secret hideaway. You're

1233
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 1: right while you ring as much value as as you can.

1234
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 1: I mean, if you've actually got a tech project that

1235
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 1: needs that kind of brain power working on it, you know,

1236
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 1: there you go where the raspberry pie came from. Yeah,

1237
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 1: but the raspberry pie, you know what that means? Okay,

1238
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 1: all right, it's an Android device. Raspberry Pie is the

1239
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 1: operating system, which it so I guess I do know

1240
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 1: what it is. Okay, I don't know. I don't think so.

1241
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:00,600
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Actually, the phone call it to

1242
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:02,920
Speaker 1: the phone calls to his wife and his daughter and

1243
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 1: probably kind kind of kind of sink those series. Yeah,

1244
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 1: I mean I was kind of liking those series at first,

1245
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 1: you know, like like the idea of just some criminal

1246
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 1: who needs to get out of the country. But they're

1247
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 1: watching all the ports. They're watching the airport, watching the

1248
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 1: railroad station. Right, I'll just go get a ride on

1249
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 1: the boat. But again, he probably wouldn't have allowed the

1250
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 1: phone calls. Yeah, unlikely. Again, another theory that I was

1251
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 1: thinking about was murder, which is again the phone call

1252
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:30,880
Speaker 1: kind of mestes it up. Although I suppose I see

1253
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 1: here Bill Gates, and you really have a grudge against

1254
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:35,919
Speaker 1: against Jim Graham, you go hide and you go hide

1255
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 1: in the in the fore cabin and uh and just

1256
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:41,240
Speaker 1: race out to meet him in your own speedboat. Yeah,

1257
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 1: because you're Bill Gates and you could have a four

1258
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 1: foot speed boat. Yeah, exactly, a four d foot cigarette boag.

1259
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 1: I can just picture this giant cigarette bow because like

1260
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 1: speeding up down, it pulls alongside of this little door

1261
01:03:57,800 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 1: in the side of the hall, opens up and it's

1262
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 1: Bill Gates. Hey there, Jim. Well, anyway, I think, yeah,

1263
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna have the murder. Thing of the

1264
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 1: abduction thing is actually some people who knew him are

1265
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 1: still kind of thicking abductive interesting. It doesn't explain stuff,

1266
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 1: it explains. It explains everything that the leaving for a

1267
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 1: new life explains, plus not having to accept that he

1268
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 1: might have wanted to run away from his own life. Right,

1269
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 1: It's like if I probably, if I were close to

1270
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:34,600
Speaker 1: this case, I definitely would be like, yes, he was

1271
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 1: just abductive. Of course he was, because it explains everything.

1272
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 1: And also, you know, he didn't do it voluntarily. Versus

1273
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 1: us on the outside, I'm way more willing to say, yeah,

1274
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:46,479
Speaker 1: he was totally willing to just walk in. And most

1275
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 1: of us just don't like the idea that you know,

1276
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 1: our friends dire, we die. It's he's just some random chance,

1277
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:54,480
Speaker 1: dumb occurrence. Yeah, it's hard to accept. Yeah, it's it's like,

1278
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 1: you know, I mean I want to go, I want

1279
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:58,120
Speaker 1: to have a slightly more meaningful death than that when

1280
01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 1: I just look for me in a cabin in the wood. Yeah, okay,

1281
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 1: with with a rag stuffed in the tail pipe of

1282
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 1: your car. No, no, just hiding in the cabin in

1283
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 1: the woods. We're gonna go kick in every door so

1284
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 1: we find him. See boom boom, move Stevie there. Yeah,

1285
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:22,520
Speaker 1: because let's talk about another series then. Uh, And this

1286
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 1: is a little more plausible, which is that he just

1287
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:28,640
Speaker 1: hit an object and it sank his boat, which is

1288
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 1: could have been I mean, it could have been a

1289
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 1: log or a submerged shipping container. Uh, submerged rocks, because

1290
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 1: the fair Long Islands, especially the south Far the southeast

1291
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:38,760
Speaker 1: Far Long Island apparently has a lot of shoals around it.

1292
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 1: So maybe he screwed up. He hit a you know,

1293
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 1: hit a submerged rock, and he was sailing what's called

1294
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:47,160
Speaker 1: the California Current, which is a current that flows down

1295
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:50,400
Speaker 1: the west coast of North America from Bridge, Columbia to

1296
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:55,120
Speaker 1: Baja California. And of course, as you know, driftwood is

1297
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 1: very very common on our coast, the California coast, because

1298
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 1: trees fall into the river rs from erosion and storms

1299
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 1: and things like that. They eventually get swept to see

1300
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 1: they wind up in the California current and get dragged

1301
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 1: down and you know, chunked up on our coastline and

1302
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 1: even points for this one of my biggest complaints about Canada.

1303
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 1: Yeah craft they're sending us. Yeah, uh so you might

1304
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:22,520
Speaker 1: have hit a log or maybe a shipping container. These

1305
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:26,200
Speaker 1: are lost on a really regular basis. I yeah, the

1306
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 1: found like a yeah, I say, we're okay. They are

1307
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:35,240
Speaker 1: consistently Yeah. I've heard estimates of a round ten thousand

1308
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:38,760
Speaker 1: a year get lost off of the ships. Um, the

1309
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:42,040
Speaker 1: containers aren't watertight, they won't float, but if what's in

1310
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:47,320
Speaker 1: them as positively wind well, then they will like rubber duckies, Yeah, exactly.

1311
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:49,520
Speaker 1: If it's filled with rubber duckies or maybe Nike tennis

1312
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:52,200
Speaker 1: shoes or god knows what, then they might wind up

1313
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 1: floating just barely beneath the surface. They are a little

1314
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:57,160
Speaker 1: bit of a shipping hazard. You're not likely to run

1315
01:06:57,160 --> 01:06:58,920
Speaker 1: into one, but if you do, it could be bad news.

1316
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 1: Containers are pretty solid. Yeah. Yeah, they're made out of

1317
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 1: very stout steel. Somebody did Robert Redford. The movie was that.

1318
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:11,040
Speaker 1: I don't remember the name anyway, but it turns out

1319
01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 1: to CNC for the Tenacious Didn't we didn't talk? Was

1320
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 1: that we talked about this before? Is that Robert Redford

1321
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 1: movie where he didn't say a word through the entire so,

1322
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 1: oh yeah, And I didn't see that one. I know

1323
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 1: the one you mean, though I heard about it. It's

1324
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:31,080
Speaker 1: um uh yeah, anyway, that's called Robert Redford doesn't talk us. Yeah,

1325
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:34,720
Speaker 1: I heard it goes the entire thing until the very ended.

1326
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 1: At the very end, he goes crap. Anyway, so the

1327
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 1: uh about yeah, yeah. The hull of this boat is

1328
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:49,440
Speaker 1: made of balso balsa would core with fibrid glass lambent

1329
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:52,160
Speaker 1: on both sides, which is makes for a very stiff, strong,

1330
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:56,120
Speaker 1: but light hull. And these were originally built as they're

1331
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 1: they're sort of a hybrid racer slash kind of pleasure boats.

1332
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 1: So they had comfortable accommodations, but they were speedy as well.

1333
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 1: They were overtaken by technology, of course, and so that's

1334
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 1: why they got cheaper back. But back in the day

1335
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 1: they were spending and really fast. But if the fiberglass

1336
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 1: delaminates or if it gets punctured, well, then the balls

1337
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 1: of course can suck up water and eventually rots and

1338
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 1: now you've got a big weak point that can be

1339
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:22,080
Speaker 1: punched do pretty easily. Why, it's something like a floating log,

1340
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 1: and then all is lost. All is lost? Is that good?

1341
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:31,599
Speaker 1: By the way? Should I see it? Yeah? You enjoy it? Okay,

1342
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:33,519
Speaker 1: I'll watch that one. Then put it on my next flix,

1343
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 1: my next what not Netflix? Your next flix? My Netflix.

1344
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:40,280
Speaker 1: Having issues with those guys, I'll talk about that some

1345
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:43,400
Speaker 1: of the time now. But there was another problem with

1346
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:46,280
Speaker 1: the CNC forty, which is the keel. And again, the

1347
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:48,360
Speaker 1: keel is the fin on the bottom of the boat,

1348
01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:52,080
Speaker 1: exactly like the surfboard fin, only giant. Yeah, only a

1349
01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 1: lot bigger, and it weighs a lot more because on

1350
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 1: the sailboat it's got to keep it upright. In the

1351
01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:58,679
Speaker 1: case of the CNC forty, it's a four ton chunk

1352
01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 1: of steel or ladd or what ever that's bolted to

1353
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 1: the bottom of the boat. But the bottom of the

1354
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:08,200
Speaker 1: hall on this particular boat is nearly flat. And to

1355
01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 1: maximize headroom in the cabin, because remember this was not

1356
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:14,680
Speaker 1: a strictly spartan racing boat. It was supposed to be

1357
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:17,639
Speaker 1: kind of a nice cruising boat too, they wanted full

1358
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 1: headroom in there, so the builders are kept shallow. In

1359
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 1: this particular design, there's very little room for a transverse support,

1360
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:26,960
Speaker 1: meaning beams that go across that helped to support the keel.

1361
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:30,679
Speaker 1: And and you know, keep it like you know from

1362
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:32,840
Speaker 1: yeah and and front and back and everything, keep it,

1363
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:36,120
Speaker 1: keep it firmly, just attached to the whole of the boat.

1364
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:39,320
Speaker 1: And so it's got kind of minimal support on the inside,

1365
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:42,760
Speaker 1: and so what what would happen? And the keel is

1366
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:45,439
Speaker 1: a dagger type, which means that it's actually taller than

1367
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:49,639
Speaker 1: it is long. So if the attachment point is why

1368
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:54,720
Speaker 1: taller than it is wide? Yeah, well I guess why

1369
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:57,920
Speaker 1: I wanted thinking along, I'm thinking from four to app Yeah,

1370
01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:03,559
Speaker 1: some people will see that's wide, but is long wider

1371
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:07,960
Speaker 1: than long? Yeah, tall along whatever anyway, So, uh, the

1372
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:11,000
Speaker 1: attachment point, it's not tremendously long, so stresses are not

1373
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 1: spread out. And so if you haven't to run into

1374
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 1: sin under water rock on your CNC forty, the front

1375
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:18,720
Speaker 1: of the keel can be torn off the hall. The

1376
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:21,800
Speaker 1: trailing edge can actually be levered up and around and

1377
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 1: into the bottom of the hall. So basically, yeah, it

1378
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:29,160
Speaker 1: goes yeah, it just it just comes right back up

1379
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:31,920
Speaker 1: and yeah, and that this has actually happened on CNC

1380
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:35,400
Speaker 1: forty and that probably what pierced the bottom of the Yeah.

1381
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 1: And then it's one case that I read about it

1382
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:41,559
Speaker 1: hit a rock at seven knots, the keel punched right

1383
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:45,000
Speaker 1: through the bottom of the boat. And yeah, and Jim

1384
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:47,680
Speaker 1: Gray was known in salient and area known for its shoals. Right.

1385
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:49,400
Speaker 1: But of course if he hit a rock and I

1386
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:52,880
Speaker 1: supposed to taking on water a catastrophic race the rate,

1387
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 1: then why didn't he run his boat up on the shore.

1388
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:57,720
Speaker 1: I don't know. Um, maybe he thought he could still

1389
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:00,000
Speaker 1: save his boat and he didn't want to total his boat.

1390
01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:02,800
Speaker 1: Maybe it was actually too far from the islands. Um,

1391
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. But I mean maybe he hit his

1392
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:10,919
Speaker 1: shipping container. Yeah, that could have done the shipping lane. Yeah.

1393
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:14,000
Speaker 1: Or maybe he didn't realize what had happened. Yeah, And

1394
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:15,519
Speaker 1: so I know one of these things, I mean, his

1395
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:18,439
Speaker 1: his his hall. I mean the hull could have been

1396
01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:20,400
Speaker 1: punched you by a log or shipping container, or he

1397
01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:23,000
Speaker 1: hits the shipping container with the keel and it punches

1398
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:25,360
Speaker 1: through his hall. But there's a whole bunch of ways

1399
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 1: to put a hole in the bottom of his hole

1400
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:35,559
Speaker 1: in the hall whole story. Oh god, so the Yeah,

1401
01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 1: so the boat did that some weaknesses. But again we

1402
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:40,360
Speaker 1: got to ask why didn't he eat purpose that was

1403
01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:43,439
Speaker 1: the emergency something something something, you know, I forget what

1404
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:47,040
Speaker 1: that's called radio broadcast, but there's there's a lot of

1405
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 1: pretty simple reasons why that didn't go off. Well what

1406
01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:53,479
Speaker 1: is that? Apparently he kept it below decks. Yeah, because

1407
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:55,800
Speaker 1: you're supposed to have him out like you know, like

1408
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:58,759
Speaker 1: maybe attached to your railing or whatever. But people usually

1409
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:00,599
Speaker 1: when they had their boats stored in them, they take

1410
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:05,240
Speaker 1: valuable stuff off and lock it up down below. Seems like, yeah, well,

1411
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:07,400
Speaker 1: and he could have had it in something like this

1412
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 1: Pelican case that happens to be in the room that

1413
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:13,640
Speaker 1: we're recording in, which are typically made to be watertight,

1414
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:18,800
Speaker 1: so it wouldn't nothing would have activated it to go off. Yeah,

1415
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:21,519
Speaker 1: But if it was stored in that manner, Yeah, Well,

1416
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:23,360
Speaker 1: actually I think they had it stored in like a

1417
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:26,240
Speaker 1: cloth bag. They would take it off at the end

1418
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:28,200
Speaker 1: of the day of sailing and put the cloth bag

1419
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:31,400
Speaker 1: and store below decks. And it might it might be

1420
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:34,160
Speaker 1: that Gym felt like he didn't feel like deploying it

1421
01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 1: because he's going on just a little day trip, but

1422
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:38,599
Speaker 1: he's not actually going out very far into the ocean.

1423
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:41,960
Speaker 1: Nice weather and everything like that, he probably didn't bother

1424
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:46,160
Speaker 1: an employing it. Well. The other thing is, though, is

1425
01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:49,479
Speaker 1: you know he might have tried, but it may not

1426
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:54,800
Speaker 1: have been maintained properly because they require batteries, and if

1427
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:59,679
Speaker 1: you don't check your batteries, they discharge themselves over time,

1428
01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:04,280
Speaker 1: and that would completely, you know, make the thing useless.

1429
01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:07,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I'm kind of with Joe on

1430
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 1: this and that when you're these kind of shorter day trips,

1431
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:12,320
Speaker 1: you're not like, I mean, you are out in the

1432
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:14,600
Speaker 1: middle of the ocean, but you're not out in the

1433
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:17,000
Speaker 1: middle of the ocean. Especially if you've been if you've

1434
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:19,400
Speaker 1: done this run a number of times, you think, well,

1435
01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:21,479
Speaker 1: it's a nice day, I'm not going to crash, and

1436
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:23,960
Speaker 1: if I do, I can swim to shore. And that

1437
01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:26,960
Speaker 1: was awesome myself. He's got the radio, he's not far

1438
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:29,320
Speaker 1: from the coast Guard. There's other boats around, you know,

1439
01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:31,360
Speaker 1: even if they're not right next to you, there's other boats.

1440
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:33,960
Speaker 1: Can somebody will come off. Blair said, I get off

1441
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:36,639
Speaker 1: a radio signal. Whatever he did probably just just didn't

1442
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:40,519
Speaker 1: see it as as a situation this huge could have

1443
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:42,040
Speaker 1: had it could have had one that just had a

1444
01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:44,559
Speaker 1: bad set of batteries and they leaked and and you know,

1445
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:46,880
Speaker 1: or something like that. Well, yeah, I mean you apparently,

1446
01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:49,840
Speaker 1: from what I'm under have come to understand you have

1447
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:52,600
Speaker 1: to do a little bit of maintenance. And they're like

1448
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 1: your remote control. After a year or so, you got

1449
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:57,840
Speaker 1: to change the batteries for sure, though they don't get

1450
01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:00,800
Speaker 1: heavy use. Yeah, and so as so the aprop not

1451
01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:05,160
Speaker 1: deploying to me is not that mysterious given the circumstances.

1452
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:07,679
Speaker 1: But again that he's still got to wonder, well, why

1453
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:11,120
Speaker 1: why was there no radio to stress call? That doesn't

1454
01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 1: really surprise me that much. Well, maybe it was too

1455
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:15,519
Speaker 1: busy trying to save the boat to get on the radio,

1456
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:18,240
Speaker 1: I mean, and maybe by the time he realized that

1457
01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:22,840
Speaker 1: it was hopeless, the radio was already under water for

1458
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 1: some reason. Yeah, yeah, or or who knows, I mean,

1459
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:28,200
Speaker 1: maybe the I say, if he runs in this something,

1460
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:31,040
Speaker 1: maybe he loses his balance and hits his head. There's

1461
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:33,479
Speaker 1: all kinds of reasons. I think a lot of times

1462
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:39,559
Speaker 1: about being like the first responder to like a medical emergency, right,

1463
01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 1: you know, and you're like, oh, having to run up

1464
01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:43,280
Speaker 1: to this thing, and then at what point do you

1465
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:45,720
Speaker 1: call mine? One? One? You know, it's like if you're

1466
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:48,960
Speaker 1: the only person there and you're trying to assist somebody

1467
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:52,280
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to liken this to a ship, right,

1468
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:54,840
Speaker 1: You're like, you're so busy doing all these things that

1469
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:59,240
Speaker 1: you realize, oh, crap, I never actually called someone. I

1470
01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:01,280
Speaker 1: have been so big trying to do these other things,

1471
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:04,160
Speaker 1: and it's it's too late. You know. I'm I'm doing CPR.

1472
01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 1: I can't stop doing CBR because like really, you're not

1473
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:09,479
Speaker 1: allowed to stop doing CPR once you're starting to do it.

1474
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:11,840
Speaker 1: So like, how am I going to I hope somebody

1475
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:15,160
Speaker 1: comes along. Yeah, it's a little Dutch boy with his

1476
01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:18,719
Speaker 1: finger in the dike, trying to stop this one spot leaking. Yeah,

1477
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:20,400
Speaker 1: so you can't get away because if you let's go,

1478
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:24,280
Speaker 1: it's gonna leak. Yeah. Yeah. I can totally sympathize with

1479
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:27,320
Speaker 1: the idea of it just being too late. Yeah. It

1480
01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:29,760
Speaker 1: could it could be that he just didn't Maybe he

1481
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:32,799
Speaker 1: didn't realize. Jim was a very capable guy from everything

1482
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:35,360
Speaker 1: I heard, and it might well be that he thought, well,

1483
01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:38,240
Speaker 1: I can handle this. Yeah, and it realized he late,

1484
01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:41,200
Speaker 1: maybe I can't handle this. I'll see my radios fried

1485
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:43,760
Speaker 1: and get off the life raft while it's too late

1486
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:46,679
Speaker 1: for that too. I'm still not so sure. I think

1487
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:49,880
Speaker 1: one of the other things, at least for me, I'm

1488
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:54,120
Speaker 1: a very like controlling person, as you guys know, and

1489
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:58,439
Speaker 1: whenever I've been in situation with like I mean, you know,

1490
01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:02,400
Speaker 1: like after a lie tragedy like losing a parent for instance, right,

1491
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:06,479
Speaker 1: sometimes you try to grasp at these straws of like,

1492
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:09,320
Speaker 1: these are the only situations I can control, you know

1493
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:13,080
Speaker 1: what can I control? And even I think it could

1494
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:16,439
Speaker 1: even have extrapolated out even more in a situation with

1495
01:16:16,439 --> 01:16:19,400
Speaker 1: an emergency, where he would be like, yes, I can

1496
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:21,680
Speaker 1: control this, I can do it. I will take care

1497
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:24,280
Speaker 1: of myself. It's it's all on me, and I can

1498
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:26,040
Speaker 1: do it, and everything's gonna be great and everything's gonna

1499
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:28,680
Speaker 1: be perfect, and then it just kind of yeah, I

1500
01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:31,559
Speaker 1: don't think you even have to add the fact of,

1501
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:33,320
Speaker 1: you know, the loss of a parent. But I don't

1502
01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:37,880
Speaker 1: think he may have just considered himself such a competent

1503
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 1: sailor that he bypassed standard procedures because he knew better,

1504
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:47,479
Speaker 1: because he's a brilliant I'm a brilliant guy. Alternately, we

1505
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:49,840
Speaker 1: you know, we talked about this to a lot. I

1506
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:51,599
Speaker 1: think just you know, the last couple of weeks, we've

1507
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:54,280
Speaker 1: talked about this where you never know how somebody's going

1508
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:58,080
Speaker 1: to react in an emergency. He could have just lost it.

1509
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:02,040
Speaker 1: He could have just suddenly not known what to do

1510
01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:04,800
Speaker 1: at all. It's just totally frozen and been like, I'm

1511
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:07,679
Speaker 1: gonna release the jip. That'll help it. You know. It's like, well,

1512
01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:10,519
Speaker 1: in no rational brain is that going to help? But

1513
01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:13,600
Speaker 1: his brain just panicked. It's just like it's kind of

1514
01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:16,719
Speaker 1: like people acting horror movies, you know, Yeah, like okay,

1515
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:19,439
Speaker 1: I just I just clubbed the villain with the baseball bat.

1516
01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:22,000
Speaker 1: Now I'm going to drop the bat and run away. Okay, Okay,

1517
01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:29,400
Speaker 1: that makes sense, Yeah, of course. Yeah. Yeah. The only

1518
01:17:29,439 --> 01:17:32,800
Speaker 1: week this is the series again, we have no no

1519
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 1: radio stress, no flots and whatsoever. Although one series that's

1520
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:39,679
Speaker 1: been put out about that is that apparently it could

1521
01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:42,240
Speaker 1: be that if the boat was holed at the back

1522
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:44,280
Speaker 1: or even in the middle, took on a lot of water,

1523
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:46,800
Speaker 1: there's more weight in the back of the boat. Fuel

1524
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:49,360
Speaker 1: tanks for the diesel, also the diesel engine itself or

1525
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:52,479
Speaker 1: in the back. It could have gone down stern first.

1526
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:56,080
Speaker 1: And so assuming he had nothing like laying around on

1527
01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:58,960
Speaker 1: the deck, everything was strapped down. Everything was either strapped

1528
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:01,840
Speaker 1: down or already below x uh and it goes down

1529
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:04,760
Speaker 1: stern first, Well, then nothing gets out. You know that.

1530
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 1: That actually is one of the things that a lot

1531
01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:10,320
Speaker 1: of people point to, which we didn't actually talk about

1532
01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:13,280
Speaker 1: in the suicide theories, that if he intentionally did this,

1533
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:16,120
Speaker 1: he could have He probably was smart enough. Yeah, he

1534
01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:18,439
Speaker 1: would have had everything strapped down. He would have shut

1535
01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:21,799
Speaker 1: the door and then punched a hole in the bottom

1536
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:24,840
Speaker 1: and the water would have come in, but nothing would

1537
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:27,880
Speaker 1: have been able to actually escape from the cabin because

1538
01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:31,519
Speaker 1: the hatch was closed. Yeah. Yeah, you pop. You can

1539
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:34,320
Speaker 1: pop those hatches open, actually for ventilation purposes. You can

1540
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:37,680
Speaker 1: pop them open distant inch or two pop, chop them

1541
01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:39,640
Speaker 1: up and enough to let air out. It makes it

1542
01:18:39,680 --> 01:18:42,559
Speaker 1: hard for things to get out because those things are

1543
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:45,639
Speaker 1: too big to slide through that little hole. Yeah. Yeah,

1544
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:47,479
Speaker 1: So Jim being a smart guy, he would know where

1545
01:18:47,479 --> 01:18:50,320
Speaker 1: the continental shelf was. He would go past it in

1546
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:52,640
Speaker 1: the nice deep, deep deep water where he's not going

1547
01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:55,160
Speaker 1: to be found as they did look around the bottom

1548
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:58,280
Speaker 1: for him. My my, my, my, final thoughts and the

1549
01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:01,720
Speaker 1: whole thing. Or even though I think that's possible, I

1550
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:04,280
Speaker 1: still have a problem with that scenario, which is, again,

1551
01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:07,240
Speaker 1: his eprip didn't go off, no rate to distress signal,

1552
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:10,320
Speaker 1: no plots in from the boat, he couldn't deploy his

1553
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:13,360
Speaker 1: life raft. I mean, that's a lot of things that

1554
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:15,120
Speaker 1: should have happened. At least at least a couple of

1555
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 1: those things should have happened if he if he took

1556
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:20,240
Speaker 1: some damage and started took started taking on huge amounts

1557
01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:22,240
Speaker 1: of water, which it leads me to think that again

1558
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:24,000
Speaker 1: the possibility that he might have had a heart attack

1559
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:26,559
Speaker 1: or a stroke or something. And yeah, we were talking

1560
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:32,240
Speaker 1: about this, and again the coast Guard was searching, but

1561
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:34,880
Speaker 1: they were searching initially I think, fairly close in between

1562
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:38,920
Speaker 1: the islands and San Francisco. And it wasn't until as

1563
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:40,760
Speaker 1: far as I know, I mean, I calculated how how

1564
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:43,479
Speaker 1: far just under sale he would have gotten at the

1565
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:46,040
Speaker 1: end of the first day. I mean we're talking five

1566
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:49,160
Speaker 1: to six knots he would have been around And it

1567
01:19:49,200 --> 01:19:52,080
Speaker 1: says this is by eight am the next morning the

1568
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:53,479
Speaker 1: one in the morning of the twenty nine, he would

1569
01:19:53,479 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 1: have been around a hundred two hundred and sixty miles

1570
01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:58,520
Speaker 1: west of San Francisco, which would have been no theoretically

1571
01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:00,120
Speaker 1: within the search area. But I don't know how are

1572
01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:02,920
Speaker 1: out at that point they were flying their planes, so

1573
01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:05,559
Speaker 1: I don't know, well, especially because we as we talked about,

1574
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 1: he wasn't reported missing until like eight pm that night

1575
01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:14,800
Speaker 1: and the night yeah and as night, so um, so

1576
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:18,679
Speaker 1: I don't know how far. I'm pretty sure that they

1577
01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:21,439
Speaker 1: that that immediate night they would have been searching between

1578
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:24,400
Speaker 1: the islands and his and I would agree with that

1579
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:28,720
Speaker 1: San Francisco that that gives him about fifty miles to

1580
01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:31,200
Speaker 1: play with, because it's only thirty miles to the island.

1581
01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:35,200
Speaker 1: In twelve hours he would have gone seventy or eighty miles.

1582
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:37,320
Speaker 1: He would have been well outside of their search area.

1583
01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:40,040
Speaker 1: That sure. And then yeah, we're talking like since you know,

1584
01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:42,840
Speaker 1: so he keeps putting another hundred eighty or a hundred

1585
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:46,480
Speaker 1: forty hundred fifty miles of distance between them per day,

1586
01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:48,880
Speaker 1: and I don't think they actually the coast Guard actually

1587
01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:51,160
Speaker 1: started looking further out there eventually went as far as

1588
01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:54,280
Speaker 1: I think three hundred fifty miles out from shore. But

1589
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:58,200
Speaker 1: eventually but by that yeah, by that time, he could

1590
01:20:58,200 --> 01:21:00,679
Speaker 1: have been far far further out than that. And so

1591
01:21:01,320 --> 01:21:03,200
Speaker 1: and I know that they brought all sorts of resource,

1592
01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:06,240
Speaker 1: all these satellites overflew the area and everything, and they

1593
01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:08,400
Speaker 1: looked at this stuff. But it's really hard to say

1594
01:21:08,479 --> 01:21:12,840
Speaker 1: without knowing what areas were photographed by this satellite and

1595
01:21:12,920 --> 01:21:16,080
Speaker 1: when the photograph was taken, it's really hard to say.

1596
01:21:16,120 --> 01:21:19,120
Speaker 1: I mean, if it was taken like two d miles out,

1597
01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:21,040
Speaker 1: but it was you know, it was taken like, you know,

1598
01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:25,200
Speaker 1: three or four days after he went missing, well he

1599
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:28,800
Speaker 1: would have been long gone. Yeah, so what do you

1600
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:32,400
Speaker 1: what's your best theory? My my best theory is that

1601
01:21:32,479 --> 01:21:35,559
Speaker 1: he had he had something incapacitated him in the boat

1602
01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:40,120
Speaker 1: just sailed on, just stayed on an autopilot, and then eventually,

1603
01:21:40,120 --> 01:21:42,360
Speaker 1: of course the battery ran flat, the autopilot failed, the

1604
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:44,880
Speaker 1: boat just started wallowing, and probably at some point it

1605
01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:47,400
Speaker 1: was just um and I'm assuming because it was a

1606
01:21:47,479 --> 01:21:50,559
Speaker 1: nice day, the hatches, including the main hatch, they were

1607
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:53,840
Speaker 1: probably all open, and so probably the boat eventually just

1608
01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:57,400
Speaker 1: got swamped. But somewhere like in the middle of the

1609
01:21:57,439 --> 01:22:00,880
Speaker 1: Pacific Ocean where we ever find it. Yeah, probably that's

1610
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:03,559
Speaker 1: that's that's that's my best theory. But there's not. It's

1611
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:06,880
Speaker 1: not conclusive at all. And see what's your best theory? Um?

1612
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:10,479
Speaker 1: I still in this instance, Uh, it's either a new

1613
01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:14,280
Speaker 1: life or or he was abducted. Yeah, I think. I

1614
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:18,000
Speaker 1: mean I like to think good thoughts, so I would

1615
01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:21,280
Speaker 1: generally say a new life. Okay, I don't think it,

1616
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:25,559
Speaker 1: you know, in my rational brain, I don't think that's

1617
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:28,519
Speaker 1: the best theory. But well, that's the one I want

1618
01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:34,400
Speaker 1: to be. He may have realized that he was is it.

1619
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:35,800
Speaker 1: It is not in the ZENI if he was at

1620
01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:40,200
Speaker 1: the tail end of his career and he was starting

1621
01:22:40,240 --> 01:22:45,280
Speaker 1: to be outpaced, but yes, thank you, and things were

1622
01:22:45,320 --> 01:22:49,120
Speaker 1: outpacing him, and he may have realized he didn't have

1623
01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:50,920
Speaker 1: too much longer, that he was going to be able

1624
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:53,960
Speaker 1: to be on top of the game, and I had

1625
01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:58,240
Speaker 1: to go out. Yeah, yeah, this is this theory. It

1626
01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:02,240
Speaker 1: only just occurred to me. What well combined the disappeared

1627
01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:05,479
Speaker 1: on a new life thing with the pirates. With pirates,

1628
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:07,760
Speaker 1: he went to go be a pirate. Yeah, essentially, when

1629
01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:10,080
Speaker 1: the pirates, the pirates go to take over his boat

1630
01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:11,840
Speaker 1: and he starts talking to him. He says, you know,

1631
01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:14,960
Speaker 1: I've been taking about a career change, and I am

1632
01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:17,719
Speaker 1: leaving to go to answer out to start a new life. Anyway,

1633
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:19,639
Speaker 1: why don't I be nc became a pirate. I think

1634
01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:23,679
Speaker 1: maybe aliens could have just abducted his entire boat. Yeah,

1635
01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:26,160
Speaker 1: they could have beamed They beamed him up, and then

1636
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:28,759
Speaker 1: they got he got there and they realized how smart

1637
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:32,760
Speaker 1: he was, and they were like, yeah, okay, we're keeping you. Yeah, great,

1638
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:36,240
Speaker 1: you can be the person who will help us understand database.

1639
01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:40,400
Speaker 1: Can you clean up? Can you clean up our coolball code? Dude? See,

1640
01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:44,559
Speaker 1: you know we cannot get Windows ninety eight to work anymore,

1641
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:47,519
Speaker 1: Just like, oh yeah, I know, nobody couldn't. I can't

1642
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:49,720
Speaker 1: even help you with that. Sorry. Until they dropped him

1643
01:23:49,720 --> 01:23:55,760
Speaker 1: in the ocean Windows XP because the screen of death. Yeah,

1644
01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:58,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. I I think I just hope he

1645
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:00,880
Speaker 1: started a new life somewhere. Yeah. I like the idea

1646
01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:04,559
Speaker 1: of they're becoming a pirate. He eventually became a captain

1647
01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:07,439
Speaker 1: of the pirates. But I'm gonna go with the he

1648
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:10,280
Speaker 1: had a stroke or something like that theory. But as

1649
01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:12,920
Speaker 1: seems most likely and it fits the facts of the best.

1650
01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:17,120
Speaker 1: But other than that, I can't really say much more. Jim,

1651
01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:19,400
Speaker 1: if you're out there listening, send us a note. Don't

1652
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:23,519
Speaker 1: post on Reddit, just send us an email please, Uh

1653
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:26,120
Speaker 1: problems keep your secret? Yeah, we will keep your secret

1654
01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:29,080
Speaker 1: and less well now, of course we will. Yeah. All right.

1655
01:24:29,360 --> 01:24:32,160
Speaker 1: Uh so that's about it for this week. If you're

1656
01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:34,519
Speaker 1: out there, of course, Jim, you're gonna want a email address,

1657
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:39,680
Speaker 1: which is Thinking Sideways Podcast at gmail dot com and

1658
01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:41,200
Speaker 1: and anybody else if you want to send us an

1659
01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:43,759
Speaker 1: email and argue with us, or tell us how wonderful

1660
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:46,120
Speaker 1: we are whatever, you can do that too. Of course,

1661
01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:49,400
Speaker 1: we have a website it is Thinking Sideways podcast dot com.

1662
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:52,639
Speaker 1: Or you can listen to our episodes. Um. You'll also

1663
01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:54,880
Speaker 1: find an episode list out there for all the many

1664
01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:58,120
Speaker 1: many episodes we've done, and you can buy merch Look

1665
01:24:58,160 --> 01:25:01,879
Speaker 1: on the right hand side you can buy muggs, do shirts, bombs,

1666
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:05,679
Speaker 1: I don't know what else, bombs out damn it? Uh

1667
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:08,720
Speaker 1: what else? We're on social media? We are on Facebook

1668
01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:11,400
Speaker 1: where we have a group and our page. So like

1669
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:14,320
Speaker 1: the page, joined the group. Lots of fun stuff happening

1670
01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:17,240
Speaker 1: out there. Answer the questions. Yeah, oh yeah, answer the questions.

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Speaker 1: You have to answer the questions in the group. We

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Speaker 1: now have questions. I forgot about that. Also social media,

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Speaker 1: we are on Twitter where we are thinking Sideways, and

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Speaker 1: we're on Reddit where we have subreddit called thinking sideways. Hey.

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Speaker 1: And also, of course you're gonna wonder where you can

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Speaker 1: where else you can find us. You can find us

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Speaker 1: on iTunes, which we probably know that already. We don't

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Speaker 1: tell you that anyway, And of course leave a comment,

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Speaker 1: leave a rating. We like those things, good ratings anyway.

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Speaker 1: And also you can stream us on Stitcher and god

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Speaker 1: knows all kinds of other places. All right, Well, and

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Speaker 1: that's about it. So it looks like we're gonna sail

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Speaker 1: off into the sunset. So till next week, bye, guys.

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Speaker 1: I don't have any puns and sorry O. High chips

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Speaker 1: are high blad