1 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: What's the first thing you think of when I say Kennedy, 2 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: The style, the. 3 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 2: Great the intelligence, They're rich. I think JFK an RFK 4 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 2: might have been cool, But I don't know Robert Kennedy. 5 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 2: If he didn't like you, he could be incredibly fucking. 6 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift for some reason. 7 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 2: Then I start to think about the mom. 8 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 1: So many places my mind goes when it comes to Kennedy's. 9 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 3: Hi. 10 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:46,480 Speaker 1: I'm Lyra Smith and. 11 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 2: I'm George Savers, and this is the United States of Kennedy. 12 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 2: A podcast all about the Kennedys, A family that symbolizes 13 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 2: whatever you wanted to symbolize, the American dream, American statesmanship, 14 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 2: nostalgia for twentieth century American liberalism, the power of nepotism, 15 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 2: the power of media spin, the power of being Catholic, 16 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 2: and from Massachusetts. 17 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: They're America's royal family. 18 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 2: Every week will go into one aspect of the Kennedy 19 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 2: story through. 20 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: Research and gossip we heard, and personal anecdotes. 21 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Larra, you have so many of those. 22 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 1: It's very strange. Each time I've brought this podcast up 23 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: to like friends or family, I get a new one 24 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 1: popping up, and the juiciest one was about a family 25 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: friend who interned for JFK and then had an affair 26 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: and then broke up with him once he tried to 27 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: get her to have a threesome with him and Bobby, I'm. 28 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 2: Sorry, are you saying there was a Kennedy who had 29 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 2: an affair? Yeah? That is really crazy to believe. But 30 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, I guess, well, I guess 31 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 2: we'll have to do our own research and see. I 32 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 2: have to say, I want to tease one of my stories. 33 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 2: They're not as juicy as yours, but a re one 34 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 2: I heard from a friend involved a pet snake, so 35 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 2: I'm excited to get into that in a later episode. 36 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 2: But generally, we're going to explore everything that has to 37 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 2: do with the Kennedy's week after week. We're going to 38 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 2: look at everything from what really happened at chap Equittic 39 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 2: to the fashion of proto influencer Carolyn Bissett to the 40 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 2: online antics of Jack Schlossberg. 41 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: Well look at where RFK Junior came from, what he wants, 42 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,239 Speaker 1: how he found his way into the Trump White House. 43 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 2: And we'll also talk about later topics like the shocking 44 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 2: number of very good movies and some kind of bad 45 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 2: ones inspired by the Kennedys. I'm thinking Oliver Stone's JFK, 46 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 2: Natalie Portman's performances, Jackie O, The Parker Posey cult classic 47 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 2: House of Yes, and of course our favorite, the infinitely 48 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 2: rewatchable Gray Gardens. 49 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: The first piece of clothing that I ever bought on 50 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 1: the Internet was a T shirt of Little Edie, and 51 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 1: it's kind of like the Chay Gavara shirt, but underneath 52 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: it says revolution. 53 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 2: And listen, I no whys detected. I remember the first 54 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 2: time I saw Grey Gardens. I was living in San 55 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 2: Francisco and I went to a screening at the Castro 56 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 2: Theater that I believe was hosted by two drag queens 57 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 2: dressed as Big Edie and Little Eg. 58 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that's so good. 59 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 2: It was heaven. 60 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: Each week we'll revisit a different historical event, tabloid controversy, 61 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: or pop culture moment and try to get closer to 62 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: answering the question, what is it about the Kennedy family 63 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: that keeps us locked in? When Jack Schlasberg TikTok pops up, 64 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: I honestly can't look away. 65 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 4: Hey, everybody, Valentine's Day is coming up in one month 66 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 4: and I need a Valentine. I don't have a Valentine 67 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 4: right now, So if you want to be my Valentine, 68 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 4: please like, comment and share, write me a message DM me. 69 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 4: Someone from my team will get back to you. I 70 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 4: can't make any promises. I'm going to pick the best 71 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 4: Valentine for me, So show us your stuff and thanks 72 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:56,839 Speaker 4: a lot. 73 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: That is JFK's grandson. I'n alerting the world that he's 74 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: still in need of a Valentine leading up to Valentine's 75 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: Day this year, so we should probably introduce ourselves. I'm 76 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: Lyra Smith. I've been making podcasts for over a decade. 77 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: I've worked on shows like Stown, This American Life, and The. 78 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 2: Dream, and I am George. I'm a comedian and a writer. 79 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 2: I was a former editor at Gawker and I'm currently 80 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 2: the host of the comedy podcast Stradio Lab. But before 81 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 2: we get into it all, Lyra, don't you think we 82 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 2: should introduce the cast of characters in our story. 83 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: It's necessary because there are so many Kennedys in each 84 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: generation and their stories build on each other. So we 85 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 1: have the patriarch, Joe Kennedy. His grandparents immigrated from Ireland, 86 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 1: He's born in eighteen eighty eight and married Rose Fitzgerald 87 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 1: in nineteen fourteen, and he basically lived out the American dream. 88 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: He amassed a huge fortune and he and Rose had 89 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 1: nine kids. This is the original lineup of the famous 90 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: Kennedy family, and you've. 91 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 2: Definitely heard of some of them. So of course we 92 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 2: have JFK. You might know him as the thirty fifth 93 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 2: President of the United States. Some of his greatest hits 94 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 2: include ask Not what your country can do for you, 95 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,479 Speaker 2: The Bay of Pigs, the Cuban Missile Crisis, signing the 96 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 2: first nuclear weapons treaty, establishing the Peace Corps, his marriage 97 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 2: to Jackie Kennedy, who's a rumored affair with Marilyn Monroe. 98 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 2: He was, of course assassinated in Texas in nineteen sixty 99 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 2: three in one of the most memorable days in American history. 100 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 2: Then we have JFK's brother and his Attorney General RFK. 101 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 2: And no it's not the one that is in the 102 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 2: news lately. It's his father, Bobby Kennedy. Bobby also ran 103 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 2: for president and was also famously assassinated shod publicly five 104 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 2: years after JFK in nineteen sixty eight. 105 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 1: The brothers are of course the most lasting famous members 106 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 1: of the family, but I've always been more interested in 107 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: their sister Rosemary. There was also Kick as she was known, 108 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 1: and Ted, who has his own infamy later on. 109 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,359 Speaker 2: And the one that I feel like I grew up 110 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 2: with seeing in a government position. 111 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: Sure, and I thought that he was just a big joke, 112 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: because my first memory of Ted Kennedy is a Mad Magazine. 113 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 2: He is sort of a classic Mad Magazine character he had. 114 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 1: Especially at this time. He had like the perfect frame 115 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: and face to fit like the illustrations. And that's literally 116 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: all I remember is just that he seemed to be 117 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 1: like the perfect cartoon character. And I've since learned more 118 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: about him, but as a kid, I was just like, oh, yeah, 119 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: that Ted Kennedy. He's the joke one, right. 120 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 2: No, they do all have sort of a version, especially 121 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 2: the men, a version of the same face. And you 122 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 2: can have like the more cartoonish one, you can have 123 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 2: the redhead one, you can have the more handsome one, 124 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 2: you can have the more kind of gooky looking one. 125 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 2: But anyway, we have those nine kids, many grew up 126 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 2: and had their own children who also went on to 127 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 2: become pretty famous. So this brings us to the next generation, 128 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 2: we have JFA Kay's children, so that is JFK Junior 129 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 2: and Caroline Kennedy, who was most recently the Ambassador to 130 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 2: Australia under Joe Biden, and she was also the Ambassador 131 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 2: to Japan under Barack Obama. JFK Junior, her brother, was 132 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 2: an attorney, a journalist, a magazine publisher, and many other things, 133 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 2: but perhaps most importantly, he was the most eligible bachelor 134 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 2: in Manhattan until he married Carolyn Bassett, which was a 135 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 2: relationship the media covered mercilessly until their tragic death in 136 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 2: a plane crash in nineteen ninety nine, something we'll get 137 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 2: into a lot in a future episode. Then we have 138 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 2: other notable Kennedys of this generation. We have Bobby Kennedy's 139 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 2: son RFK Junior, Eunice Kennedy's daughter Maria Shriver who went 140 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 2: on to marry Arnold Schwarzenegger, former Connecticut state Senator Ted 141 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 2: Kennedy Junior, and former Massachusetts Congressman Joe Kennedy the second. 142 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: Then after that generation, we finally get to current day 143 00:07:54,840 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: with Jack Schlossberg, JFK's only grandson and Pat Schwarzenegger, Marias 144 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: Shreiver and Ur old Schwarzenegger's son, Yes, from White Lotus. 145 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 2: All right, we're getting ahead of ourselves, so let's start 146 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 2: at the beginning. 147 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: George, what was your memory of the Kennedys growing up? 148 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 3: So? 149 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 2: I had a sort of very splintered childhood because I 150 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 2: spent half my childhood in Greece and half my childhood 151 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 2: in suburban New Jersey. So I spent my early childhood 152 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 2: in Athens, moved to New Jersey from second grade to 153 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 2: eighth grade, and then moved back to Greece for high school. 154 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 2: So my memories are very kind of tied to whatever 155 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 2: location I was at the time to state the obvious, 156 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 2: much like everyone's memories are, one might argue, And so 157 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 2: I have the sort of, you know, the New Jersey 158 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 2: element of my Kennedy memories, which is just like you know, 159 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 2: being in the northeast. Of course, I was aware of 160 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 2: the Kennedys. I was aware of Ted Kennedy, as I said, 161 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 2: I would see him on TV. I watched documentaries and 162 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 2: movies about the Kennedy's. I knew them as sort of 163 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 2: this emblem of American liberalism. But I think what stuck 164 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,559 Speaker 2: with me a little more was what the Kennedy meant 165 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 2: in Greece, and in Greece, a huge part of kind 166 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 2: of Greek pop culture and contemporary Greek lore was Jackie's 167 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 2: relationship with Aristotle Onassis. So obviously Jackie already kind of 168 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 2: beloved by the Greeks when she was married to JFK. 169 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 2: There was all these stories about her visiting the Parthenon 170 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 2: and saying publicly that she would like to see the 171 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 2: Elgin Marbles return to Greece, which is sort of like 172 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 2: the magic sentence. You have to tell any Greek person 173 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 2: if you want them on your. 174 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: Side, what are the Elgin Marbles? 175 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 3: What is that? 176 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 2: So the Elgin Marbles are a series of sculptures that 177 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 2: were removed from the Parthenon I believe in the nineteenth century, 178 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 2: and they are currently in the British Museum. So many 179 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 2: people believe they should be returned to Greece. And if 180 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 2: you ever want to pander to Greek people, just say 181 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 2: you believe the Elgin Marbles should be returned. 182 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 1: That, actually, I mean, honestly, feels like a really progressive 183 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 1: statement for a first lady at that time. 184 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 2: Yes, no, absolutely, yeah, I wonder if this was sort 185 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 2: of like the time before media training where it was 186 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 2: just you know, something she read in the newspaper and 187 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 2: she said, you know, that seems unfair. They should be 188 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 2: a returned to Greece, and didn't really runt it by anyone. 189 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 2: And then there she is sort of like saying it 190 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 2: at a I don't know, at an interviewer, to a 191 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 2: camera or something in Greece. But this is something that 192 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 2: many Greek people will tell. You know, Jackie was always 193 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,079 Speaker 2: a friend of Greece because she said that they should 194 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 2: return the Elder Marbles. But then, of course after JFK's death, 195 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 2: she dated and then married Aristotle Onassis, who was this 196 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 2: huge Greek shipping tycoon, just like a huge figure in 197 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 2: Greece and one of the richest people in the world. 198 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 2: And that is when she really became a huge Greek celebrity. 199 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 2: I mean, I think they maybe lived part time in Athens. 200 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 2: She was sort of both beloved by certain people and 201 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 2: also kind of you know, held in suspicion by others 202 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 2: that really wanted Aristotle Onasis to marry Maria Callis and 203 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 2: thought of her as sort of a you know, dare 204 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 2: I say, gold digger, And so there were people had 205 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 2: mixed feelings about her, she was sort of a tabloid figure, 206 00:10:57,960 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 2: and Maria. 207 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 1: Kallis is the one that Angelia Jolie just played. 208 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 2: That is correct. Angelina Jolie played her in the film 209 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 2: and her relationship with Onasis was portrayed in the film, 210 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 2: so they sort of famously were in a relationship while 211 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 2: both of them were married. 212 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: Well, and also the whole reason that Jackie got with 213 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: him is because he was with her sister, Lee Radswell, 214 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: who was married. 215 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 2: Right exactly. I think there was not a lot of fidelity. 216 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 2: I think maybe there was something about Jackie actually marrying 217 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 2: Onassas that was like, well, this is the final straw. 218 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 2: We know all these people are having affairs, but how 219 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 2: dare you make it official? But yes, it's I mean, 220 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 2: especially the connection between Onasas and Maria Callis, it's like 221 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 2: these were the two most famous Greek people globally basically. 222 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 2: I mean he was this like rich, you know, tycoon playboy, 223 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 2: and she was the big diva, and so I think 224 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 2: that meant a lot in terms of, you know, Greece's 225 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 2: place in culture around the world. 226 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: It's also interesting that it's both Pablo Lorraine, right. 227 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:06,199 Speaker 2: Oh, yes, that's right. Le Loraine get both Jackie starring 228 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 2: Natalie Portman and Mario with Angelina Julie. But anyway, so 229 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,839 Speaker 2: Jackie O really is, you know, she's someone that has 230 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 2: been in the ether in Greece for a long time. 231 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 2: And one of my favorite sort of small elements of 232 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 2: that is the fact that the biggest gay club in Mikonos, 233 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 2: which is of course like the gay island in Greece, 234 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 2: is named Jackie O and it's actually a growing empire. 235 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 2: There is a Jackie O Club, there is a Jackie 236 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:33,959 Speaker 2: O restaurant. They do drag shows. I saw someone at 237 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 2: my gym the other day wearing a Jackie O Mikono's hat. 238 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: Wow. 239 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:38,839 Speaker 2: And then I went online and I was like, oh, 240 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 2: maybe I'll buy us hats as a little gag gift 241 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 2: for the show. Couldn't find them. I did, however, find 242 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 2: a photo of a Greek drag queen meeting Natalie Portman 243 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 2: at Jackie O. So that really is closing the loop, 244 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 2: which is the actress that play Jackie is at the 245 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 2: Jackie O club meeting a drag queen that's sort of, 246 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 2: you know, dressed like a Greek goddess. 247 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:04,679 Speaker 1: It's interesting because because I feel like another family possibly 248 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: would shut that down, would be like, you're making money 249 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 1: off of the name. But you know, but the Kennedys. 250 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 2: Don't never do that. I that is a good point. 251 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 2: I had never it had never even occurred to me. 252 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:17,839 Speaker 2: I mean, it's the Kennedy's, but it also is the 253 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 2: Jackie side of the family as well, because you know 254 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 2: it's named Jackie. 255 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: Oh. 256 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 2: I mean, we'll get into this more when we talk 257 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 2: about Grey Gardens, But the fascination with Jackie sort of 258 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,959 Speaker 2: extended beyond the Kennedy part of her life and towards 259 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:36,199 Speaker 2: like her own relatives, like her various cousins, the Onasis's kids, 260 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 2: and the feelings that they had towards Jackie. I mean, 261 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 2: I honestly think if she starts, I mean, if her 262 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 2: estate starts banning Jackie Omikinos, it's like, I don't know 263 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 2: where they're going to stop, because it's sort of a 264 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 2: whack a mole in terms of poor representations of the 265 00:13:51,520 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 2: family name. Lara, I want to know, what was your 266 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 2: family's connection to the Kennedys. 267 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: So, yeah, my mom is an Irish Catholic from the 268 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: DC area. To her family, it was a huge deal 269 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: that they had an Irish Catholic president. It meant that 270 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: they were seen. They felt like this was major representation 271 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: and major change for the family and then everybody else 272 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: who shared their ancestry and religion, and even as like 273 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: a tiny kid, my mom was like, he's the most 274 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: handsome man in the world. Because it's like that was. 275 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: It's funny now because when you I feel like looking 276 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: back at like images of him, you're like, all right, 277 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: he's okay. And at that time, though, it was like, we're. 278 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 2: Gonna have to talk about that at some point, because 279 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 2: you really it does feel like a form of gas 280 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 2: lighting that you go through your entire you know, adolescence 281 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 2: in America, where it's like he's the one who was 282 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 2: the hot president. Yeah, he was a hot president, and 283 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 2: she was the hot first lady, and of. 284 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: Course not Teddy Roosevelt. 285 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 2: Right. I mean it's tough because we've watched a lot 286 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 2: of sort of like documentaries and footage and whatever and 287 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 2: preparing for this, and from today's point of view, you 288 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 2: don't quite get it. But you have to remember that 289 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 2: before the Kennedys, I mean everyone was like, you know, 290 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 2: a painting of an old wizard. You know, we had 291 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 2: never had like a young, vibrant couple in the White 292 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 2: House and don't don't fact check us on that. 293 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: I mean, that's the thing that they always say. They're like, 294 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: it's the first time anyone saw children in the Oval 295 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: office in the White House, and like how impactful that was. 296 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: And I mean, also the thing about JFK is the charisma, 297 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: which you know, a person who is ten times more 298 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: attract when they have like an incredible personality and like presence, 299 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: And I think that's like part of it. 300 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 2: And so much of the JFK as president origin story 301 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 2: is you know, the famous televised debate with Nixon where 302 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 2: Nixon came across as nervous and sweaty and JFK came 303 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 2: across as charismatic and confident and calm. And so it 304 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 2: sort of sets you up for success if the person 305 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 2: that you were being compared to on television is Richard Nixon. 306 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 2: But then it's sort of stuck that he his main 307 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 2: thing is the is the charisma and the in telegenic vibe. 308 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: I think also for my mom's family, they were like 309 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: for kids, they were pretty involved in civil rights protests. 310 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: I think that they have over the years combined JFK's 311 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: involvement in civil rights and Bobby's involvement with civil rights 312 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: to be you know, representative of what their hopes were 313 00:16:59,240 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: at that time. 314 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 2: So it wasn't just you know, for your family. They 315 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 2: weren't just a symbol of Northeastern Catholicism. It was a 316 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:09,919 Speaker 2: symbol of like American progressivism. Like Kennedy's really like symbolized 317 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 2: this liberalism that was so hopeful, especially for white people 318 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 2: that wanted to feel better about themselves. So it was 319 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 2: so hopeful throughout the twentieth century. 320 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, they're really it in terms of the 321 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 1: personification of that hope from that time. And you know, 322 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: the assassinations are like the loss of innocence for so 323 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 1: many Americans that like that was their president, and they 324 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 1: were you know, proud and happy and felt like this 325 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: is such a like youthful restart to you know, what 326 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: America can do. But I will say even with all 327 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: of that, my big family story, or the story that 328 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: I remember growing up, was about how RFK Junior was 329 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: heavily pursuing my mom to date, and she rejected him repeatedly, 330 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 1: which is something she's a lady, I know, which is 331 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 1: something that as a child, You're like, what are you 332 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: talking about? Are you kidding me? Like, why would you 333 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: not like do it for the story? But you know 334 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: they felt differently back then. But also she had a 335 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: lot more intel, and she also is a lot smarter 336 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: than me. 337 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 2: I would say, well, maybe she's the one who could 338 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:27,880 Speaker 2: have saved us from what we'd now. 339 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 1: No, well, this is the thing, is that like when 340 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 1: he was running for president and you know, married to 341 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: Cheryl Hines. I teazed her and I was like, mom, 342 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: you could have been the first lady. And my mom 343 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: can be kind of morbid again Irish Catholic. So she said, no, 344 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: I would not have been the first lady. I would 345 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: have killed myself, which is how I learned that his 346 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:54,880 Speaker 1: previous wife committed suicide. She said, what you are seeing 347 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: today is not the man that we were around then. 348 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm you brought up RFK Junior because there 349 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 2: is something about him being the most visible Kennedy right 350 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 2: now in twenty twenty five that I think, to me 351 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 2: encapsulates why we wanted to make a show like this now. 352 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 2: Because one of the constants of twentieth century America and 353 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 2: even early twenty first century America was just like what 354 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 2: the Kennedy family meant, what it connoted, like what we 355 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 2: think about when we think about the Kennedys. And there 356 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 2: is something about RFK Junior, with his current political views, 357 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 2: with his place in the Trump administration, being the most 358 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 2: visible Kennedy that really just shows that there has been 359 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:41,160 Speaker 2: some sort of break in how things are happening all 360 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 2: around us in America. 361 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: Even though they were never perfect, always deeply flawed, the 362 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 1: representation of the like the pride and respect and the 363 00:19:55,240 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: class that their family represented was a net positive for 364 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: like our cultural understanding of like what a family in 365 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 1: politics should look like and how they should behave, and 366 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 1: we are losing that every day. 367 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:15,880 Speaker 2: I think it's sort of you know, their flaws were 368 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,959 Speaker 2: America's flaws, and it's yes, their flaws were what you know, 369 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 2: they were hypocrisy, they were nepotism, They were kind of 370 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 2: like this pretense that they are they can somehow be 371 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 2: progressive an anti establishment, despite the fact that they are 372 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 2: one hundred percent always the establishment. It is, you know, 373 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 2: achieving the American dream by amassing immense wealth and then 374 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 2: passing it down to your children and sort of building 375 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 2: generational wealth. It's the Kennedys were sort of like, how 376 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 2: good can you be while still having all the flaws 377 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 2: that America has? And in some ways RFK in his 378 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,880 Speaker 2: own way is a classic Kennedy archetype. I mean he 379 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 2: struggled with addiction and exhibited a certain kind of bad 380 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 2: way behavior in his youth. He like championed liberal causes 381 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 2: earlier on, he was an environmental lawyer like his whole 382 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 2: you know, he railed against fracking and pollution. Even later 383 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:13,679 Speaker 2: he spoke out about forever chemicals and microplastics. He like 384 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 2: talked about raising the minimum wage, and he has that 385 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 2: Kennedy face too. There were elements of him where were like, Okay, 386 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 2: this is just a different, more contemporary version of the 387 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 2: kind of Kennedy that we are used to. Even the 388 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 2: scandals are so Kennedy to me, Like the fact that 389 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 2: he was accused of flying on Jeffrey Epstein's play, and 390 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 2: I mean that sounds like something a Kennedy would do. 391 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 2: Of course, I mean his history of infidelity, the fact 392 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 2: that he's like married to a Hollywood actress. Like again, 393 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 2: all these are very sort of like Kennedy things. And 394 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 2: then I think where it really takes a turn is 395 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 2: we start going into the conspiracy theorizing, the anti vaccine activism, 396 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 2: the embrace of Donald Trump, and there's sort of just 397 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 2: this like break from tradition, And I think something that 398 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,719 Speaker 2: I find fascinating about it is that it like is 399 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 2: emblematic of a larger shift in American politics and this 400 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 2: larger political realignment where what we think of as liberal 401 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 2: and conservative just is not what it was in nineteen 402 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 2: ninety eight or nineteen sixty four or even you know, 403 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 2: twenty twelve. 404 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 1: It's funny that you mentioned him going into the conspiracy theories, 405 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: because there are so many conspiracy theories about the Kennedy 406 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 1: family themselves, including this concept of a Kennedy curse, which 407 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: even talking about RFK Junior and his like rise and fall, 408 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: it's like there's always going to be evidence to support 409 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: this idea that the Kennedys are cursed. They're in the 410 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: public eye, they have great wealth, they have great privilege. 411 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:53,640 Speaker 1: When they make a mistake or when you know, tragedy 412 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: befalls them, it can always get knocked under this idea 413 00:22:59,000 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: of the family being curse. 414 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:01,959 Speaker 2: It is sort of a I don't want to say 415 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 2: it's a self fulfilling prophecy. But there's something where you 416 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,880 Speaker 2: hear something tragic about a Kennedy and you almost nod 417 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 2: your head solemnly, like, well, you know, something bad was 418 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 2: bound to happen. You've sort of been trained to think 419 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 2: that way. I mean, especially now that there's this new 420 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 2: generation of young, handsome Kennedy's, there's a part of me 421 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 2: that's like, oh my god, don't leave the house, Patrick Schwarzenegger, 422 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 2: don't go to Thailand. You don't know what might happen. 423 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: When RFK Junior was running for president, he had a 424 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,159 Speaker 1: fundraising element that was that you could get a ticket 425 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 1: to go on a sailboat with him, and every single 426 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 1: person on Twitter was just like, do not get on 427 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 1: a boat, don't get on a boat, don't get on 428 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 1: a boat, don't get on a plane, don't get in 429 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 1: a car with any Kennedy ever. 430 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,400 Speaker 2: I remember, personally, RFK came into my consciousness because I'm 431 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 2: a huge curb your enthusiasm Larry David fan, and famously 432 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 2: Larry David was the one who introduced RFK to Cheryl Hines. 433 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 2: You know, during a different time, back when RFK Junior 434 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,679 Speaker 2: was in fact still a proud Democrat who was an 435 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:27,199 Speaker 2: environmental lawyer. Despite I have to say people call him 436 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,400 Speaker 2: an anti vaxer. Being an anti vaxer is one thing. 437 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,439 Speaker 2: He is an anti vaccine activist, it is oh, he's not. 438 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 2: He doesn't just have beliefs that are cuckoo. 439 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: He travels to other countries and convinces them not to vaccinate. 440 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 2: He has lobbied with celebrities in DC against against vaccines. 441 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,919 Speaker 2: But anyway, that's neither here nor there. The point is 442 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 2: in terms of the Kennedy Curse, I remember, like when 443 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 2: I read that Larry David introduced RFK to Cheryl Hines, 444 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 2: I'm like, leave her alone, Like why are you introducing 445 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 2: Why are you literally introducing her to this family where 446 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 2: oh my god, every single generation fifty tragedies happened this 447 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:02,439 Speaker 2: poor woman. 448 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: And the photos of him at their wedding are incredible. 449 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,439 Speaker 1: It just looks like they're filming an episode. He looks 450 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 1: so upset, so funny, but he's in every photo. The 451 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 1: wedding photographer definitely was following him around, very interested. 452 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 2: In what he was going to do. 453 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 1: But also, you know, that's another of my initial understandings 454 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 1: of the Kennedy's was the JFK junior episode of Seinfeld, 455 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: which you know, I'm sure Larry David maybe felt like 456 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: he was giving her her a lain moment trying to 457 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: look up with the Kennedy. 458 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 2: It's like, I mean, there is this lasting idea that 459 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 2: what every single woman wants is to date a Kennedy. 460 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: Sure, Taylor Swift, Yeah, Taylor Swift. She could have had anybody. 461 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:45,880 Speaker 1: She got her Kennedy. 462 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 2: I mean, we don't even know who. At some point, 463 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 2: Jack Schlasberg is going to debut a girlfriend and that 464 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 2: is going to be a huge moment. 465 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: Yes, he's on Riyah. I've seen him on Riyah many times. 466 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:57,640 Speaker 2: Really, I didn't know that. 467 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've I tried to message him. You know, I 468 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 1: have not gotten a response. I did delete the app. 469 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 2: Oh my god, sacrificing your journalistic integrity, I know. But yeah, 470 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 2: he was one of. 471 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: Those celebs that were kind of famously always showing up 472 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 1: for people on there. And we did a little like 473 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:24,479 Speaker 1: Reddit gossip research and you know, to our surprise, found 474 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 1: nothing but like positive reviews of him as an individual. 475 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:33,679 Speaker 1: And it seems like he's had a few girlfriends and 476 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,360 Speaker 1: there are no negative stories to tell so far. 477 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 2: He does seem not to use a cliche to be 478 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 2: sort of what you might call chaotic good at the 479 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 2: end of the day. I mean, I don't know if 480 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 2: I would like to, you know, be roommates with him 481 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 2: or something, but I think he ultimately his heart is 482 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 2: maybe in the right place. 483 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 1: It's a lot of singing. Sure, it would be hard 484 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 1: to share space with him. Probably he does have a. 485 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 3: Sort of theater kid vibe about him and also like 486 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 3: forever being celebrated for just putting any piece of himself 487 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 3: out publicly. 488 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,400 Speaker 1: Because the thing is is that like his mother somewhat 489 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: famously and many of the other like past Kennedys, like 490 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: they don't put their personal being out into the public 491 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: like that. They stay very kind of stoic. They have 492 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 1: their you know, this is the positive story of them, 493 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 1: is that they are public servants or that they are 494 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,160 Speaker 1: working in politics for the good of the American people, 495 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:42,719 Speaker 1: and that they care about committing to a life of 496 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: public service. In a lot of ways. Until RFK Junior, 497 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,360 Speaker 1: most of the Kennedys have stayed pretty quiet outside of 498 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: these diplomatic duties. Jack Schlosberg was doing that for a while. 499 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: He was clearly media trained and operating as the family 500 00:27:59,080 --> 00:27:59,880 Speaker 1: of representative. 501 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 2: I mean, there are a couple of counter examples. I'm thinking, 502 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 2: you know, JFK Junior in his heyday was a true socialite. 503 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,880 Speaker 2: I think that was also sort of part of what 504 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 2: you know sounded the alarm bells in the Kennedy family 505 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 2: was that, you know, the Kennedies are not supposed to 506 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 2: be socialites like prancing around New York City. But if 507 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 2: there's one thing RFK and Jack have in common is 508 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 2: that they love showing off their torsos. 509 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 1: Yes, I feel like the first video I saw of 510 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:34,919 Speaker 1: Jack Schlasberg was him singing shirtless in a parking lot, 511 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,679 Speaker 1: and I didn't realize who it was, but I was 512 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 1: still captivated. And then when he was on the skateboard 513 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: reciting the poem was a Lord Byron poem, Like, you know, 514 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: he's having a great time, but yeah, now he's gotten 515 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 1: the attention. It feels like people have been watching him 516 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: very closely, and they notice whenever he pulls back from 517 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: social media. But he is just one of many Kennedy's. 518 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 2: Yes, it's being watched is just like a consistent part 519 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 2: of the Kennedy story, and Jack Schlasberg is just the 520 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 2: latest chapter of that. At every point, you know, people 521 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 2: sort of like keep up with them with a mix 522 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 2: of fascination, reverence, suspicion, and it's not dying down anytime soon, 523 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 2: so we are excited to jump into even more Kennedy stories. 524 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 2: Everything that we mentioned today was just the tip of 525 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 2: the iceberg. We have many, many weeks and months to 526 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 2: get into how we got here and where we came from. 527 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 2: So subscribe and follow to United States of Kennedy for 528 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 2: all things Kennedy every week. 529 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening.