WEBVTT - What are cosmic strings?

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, Daniel, I have a question for you about how

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<v Speaker 1>physics works. All right, shoot, yeah, what happens when it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't work? Like what happens when you're wrong? That really

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<v Speaker 1>depends depends on what how wrong you are. No, it

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<v Speaker 1>depends on whether you're an experimentalist or a theorist. It

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<v Speaker 1>makes a difference. Oh yeah. For an experimentalist, if you

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<v Speaker 1>are wrong one time, it's like a career death. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like getting caught from murder. You know, once is enough

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<v Speaker 1>to send you away forever. You murdered science. If you

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<v Speaker 1>if your results are wrong, you murdered your credibility. But

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<v Speaker 1>not for a theorist. Like if a theorist is wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no consequence. No, almost every single paper written by

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<v Speaker 1>a theorist is wrong, and in fact, if they are

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<v Speaker 1>right even one time, they win. The Nobel problem does

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<v Speaker 1>sound like better? Odds, Daniel, Why did you even become

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<v Speaker 1>an experimentalist? I asked myself that question every day. I

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<v Speaker 1>am Jorge make cartoonists and the creator of PhD comics. Hi,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Daniel. I'm a particle of physicist, and though I've

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<v Speaker 1>never been wrong in a scientific paper, I have zero

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<v Speaker 1>Nobel prizes, No wait, that's not actually true. I do

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<v Speaker 1>have a tiny slice of a Nobel Prize. Well, you

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<v Speaker 1>could be wrong about having a Nobel Prize, like you could.

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<v Speaker 1>I could write a paper about having a Nobel Prize

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<v Speaker 1>and they'll be wrong and then get a Nobel Prize

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<v Speaker 1>for it in literature maybe. But anyways, welcome to our

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<v Speaker 1>podcast Daniel and Jorge Explain the Universe Even the Wrong Parts,

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<v Speaker 1>a production of I Heart Radio, in which we take

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<v Speaker 1>a trip around the universe, giving you a tour of

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<v Speaker 1>everything that's amazing, everything that's exciting, everything that's real, and

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<v Speaker 1>everything that's theoretical. Not just what's out there in the universe,

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<v Speaker 1>but what's inside the minds of scientists, what they're hoping

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<v Speaker 1>to discover out there in our universe. That's right, We

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<v Speaker 1>take you on a trip across the cosmos, not just

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<v Speaker 1>to see what's there, but what might be there. What's

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<v Speaker 1>physicists think might be the next big idea that could

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<v Speaker 1>revolutionize how we understand the universe. And we have a

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<v Speaker 1>special group of people whose job it is just to

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<v Speaker 1>come up with crazy ideas that might describe our universe.

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<v Speaker 1>You have a group of people just to be wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that kind of how it works. They only have

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<v Speaker 1>to be right occasionally. But yeah, basically, just throw ideas

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<v Speaker 1>out there. It's like the brain, the brain trust. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like a brainstorming, you know, like maybe the universe

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<v Speaker 1>works this way. Go check. Oh no, I guess not.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe the universe works that way. Go check. Oh no,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess not. Keep coming up with ideas, folks, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because the universe is pretty crazy out there. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>there are a lot of things that we didn't expect,

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<v Speaker 1>and so as crazy as an idea might seem right now,

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<v Speaker 1>it could be right. Yep. Absurdity is no obstacle to reality.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you can't take a theory of physics and

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<v Speaker 1>say that's too crazy, because some of these crazy ideas

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<v Speaker 1>turned out to be real, you know, quantum mechanics and relativity.

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<v Speaker 1>There have been moments in history when we had to

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<v Speaker 1>accept things that were very difficult to swallow, and that

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<v Speaker 1>means we need to keep our minds wide open to

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<v Speaker 1>future crazy ideas. Yeah, you could be absurd and be

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<v Speaker 1>right at the same time. That's the situation of the universe.

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<v Speaker 1>That's your review of the Universe on its Amazon web page.

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<v Speaker 1>Absurd but right, absurved but true. Five stars. Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like this podcast a Cartoonists and physicism physics

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<v Speaker 1>for an hour, And I wonder what that's like sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>for a theorist, because I'm not a theorist. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you spend your life coming up with ideas maybe there's

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<v Speaker 1>this particle, maybe the universe works that way, and and

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<v Speaker 1>predicting them and suggesting ways to check but almost never correct. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Most theorists who write papers, most of their theories don't

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<v Speaker 1>even get checked because we can't check all of them,

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<v Speaker 1>and when they do, mostly they just get ruled out. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess there are a lot of theorists out there

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<v Speaker 1>and they can't all be right right, and they can't

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<v Speaker 1>all be checked. So how does how do these ideas

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<v Speaker 1>come through to get checked? Yeah? Well, if you're a theorist,

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<v Speaker 1>you have some crazy new idea, you say, I think

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<v Speaker 1>the universe works this way, and then you have to

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<v Speaker 1>make a prediction. You have to say, well, if somebody

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<v Speaker 1>did such and such experiment, they could verify my theory.

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<v Speaker 1>Like Einstein had his theory relativity, and he predicted something

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<v Speaker 1>would happen when light bent around the sun or when

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<v Speaker 1>light bent around the moon during an eclipse, so it

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<v Speaker 1>make a very specific prediction. Then the key is you

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<v Speaker 1>have to find an experimentalist someone to do that experiment

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<v Speaker 1>and check your prediction. If you can't convince anybody that

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<v Speaker 1>your prediction is worth checking, it just doesn't get checked.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there like an app for physicists to match experimentalists

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<v Speaker 1>with theories, you know, like a dating app physics or

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<v Speaker 1>or checker. Yeah, I'm not sure. Um, you know it's

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<v Speaker 1>sort of arbitrary. You know, experimentals will read a paper

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<v Speaker 1>and say, oh, that's really cool, I want to check that.

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<v Speaker 1>Or me as an experimentals, I'll go to conferences and

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<v Speaker 1>talk to theorists and hear about the new ideas and

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<v Speaker 1>try to think about what's most interesting to test. Because

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<v Speaker 1>you can't test everything, you have to make your choices. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess you swipe left or right depending on whether

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<v Speaker 1>you think it could be right or what are you

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<v Speaker 1>based on? Like is it is it? Are you tempted

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<v Speaker 1>by like, oh that would be a big fish to catch,

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<v Speaker 1>or are you tempted by like is this an easy

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<v Speaker 1>fish that I could verify? Well, that's a great question.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a bit unusual in particle physics. Most people choose

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<v Speaker 1>theories that they think sound sort of aesthetically beautiful, like

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<v Speaker 1>supersymmetry and gravity and all these things. They have like

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<v Speaker 1>a deep fear redical reason to motivate that theory, like

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<v Speaker 1>why we think it exists? Um. For me, I'm more

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<v Speaker 1>interested in stuff that's uh going to be a surprise,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I'd like to look for something that isn't predicted,

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<v Speaker 1>So I try to do experiments that nobody's predicted, because

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<v Speaker 1>then if you see something new, a new particle, then

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<v Speaker 1>you get to be the first person to describe it,

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<v Speaker 1>and it sort of comes out as a pleasant surprise

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<v Speaker 1>for the community. So it is like a dating app.

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<v Speaker 1>You swipe left or right if it's like, oh this

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<v Speaker 1>is beautiful, I like it, or on this floats my boat,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna swipe it. All right, You're right, I give up.

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<v Speaker 1>Physics is just like a dating app. It's basically the

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<v Speaker 1>same thing. Well a lot of it. Amazing and incredible

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<v Speaker 1>discoveries have been made this way. For example, the Higgs

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<v Speaker 1>boson was really just a theory out of the blue,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was a theory for a long time until

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<v Speaker 1>people decided to try to test it. That's right, and

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<v Speaker 1>people spend decades trying to test this theory, and finally

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<v Speaker 1>we build a collider or powerful enough that we could

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<v Speaker 1>create the Higgs boson and prove that it existed. And

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<v Speaker 1>so this theory is to fifty years or Elier had

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<v Speaker 1>predicted the existence of this particle, was proved right and

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<v Speaker 1>got his Nobel prize. Yeah, that was like a like

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<v Speaker 1>a twenty billion dollars swipe there, you know, that was

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<v Speaker 1>a big swipe that that was good dollars. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he wasn't the only one to predict it.

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<v Speaker 1>And there was a lot of controversy when we discovered

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<v Speaker 1>the Higgs boson. Who was going to get the prize

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<v Speaker 1>for it? Should it just be Higgs, should also be

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<v Speaker 1>this guy Englert who was around and wrote a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of very similar papers but didn't get his name on

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<v Speaker 1>the particle. And then there was a whole other group

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<v Speaker 1>of people that wrote very similar papers, but we didn't

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<v Speaker 1>get any part of the prize. That's right, And so

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<v Speaker 1>today we'll be talking about a prediction from a theorist

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<v Speaker 1>that maybe should have gotten the Higgs Nobel Prize but didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>And he made his second prediction about the universe that

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to be talking about today. That's right. And

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<v Speaker 1>this comes from a question from a listener. Somebody wrote

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<v Speaker 1>it and said, hey, could you explain this to us?

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't get it. Yeah, So this is a

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<v Speaker 1>question that Peter from Poland sent us via email, and

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<v Speaker 1>so to be on the pro and we'll be asking

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<v Speaker 1>the question what is a cosmic string? I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to string people along. Let's just let's just get down

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<v Speaker 1>to it. Daniel. Yeah, well I was thinking, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>silly string versus string theory, and there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>different combinations there, but a lot of strings in physics. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a great question. Thank you Peter from Poland for

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<v Speaker 1>writing in, and anybody out there, if there's something in

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<v Speaker 1>physics you've heard about but haven't really understood any of

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<v Speaker 1>the explanations, send to us. We're going to try to

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<v Speaker 1>break it down. And this is a tantalizing subject because

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<v Speaker 1>we're not just talking about strings. We're talking about cosmic strings.

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<v Speaker 1>So they sound like a very big deal, and they

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<v Speaker 1>are kind of a big deal. They're not small strings

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<v Speaker 1>like maybe some people might be imagining it. That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not you know, star studied strings in your

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<v Speaker 1>drawer or anything like that. These are things that could

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<v Speaker 1>span the entire observable universe. And so we were wondering

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<v Speaker 1>how people had heard of these two words put together

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<v Speaker 1>costmaking strings out there, and how many people maybe even

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<v Speaker 1>had an idea but what it could be. So, as usual,

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel went out there and as people in the street,

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<v Speaker 1>if they've heard what a cosmic string is, so before

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<v Speaker 1>you hear these answers, think to yourself for a moment,

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<v Speaker 1>do you know what a cosmic string is? What would

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<v Speaker 1>you say if I asked you on the street. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>what people had to say. It sounds like a Marvel

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<v Speaker 1>movie before me? Is that similar to string theory? The

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<v Speaker 1>loops that way upon it's like a fifth dimension potentially?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know all this stuff? I don't know any

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<v Speaker 1>of this. I don't know any it's something, um, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't have no idea. Cosmic strings something that uh, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I think that's what space string. QUITE have no idea.

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<v Speaker 1>If you laugh, is it sound funny? It just sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like like science fiction. I heard of cosmic bowling. You're

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<v Speaker 1>not cosmic cosmic bowling? What's that? That's when they shut

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<v Speaker 1>down the lights for Friday night bowling, strings that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>unite like different potential space and time like you Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like space and time like a pass I guess in

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<v Speaker 1>a way when it's stringing together, str together, I have

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<v Speaker 1>no idea something to deal with. I don't know um energy, energy,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't have no idea how okay, but so

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<v Speaker 1>very much obviously cosmic, yes, but strings those starts together now,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, Not a lot of familiarity, although I do

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<v Speaker 1>like the answer the person who said it sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>a Marvel movie to me, which it totally does. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>infinity stones, cosmic strings, quantum realm. You're you guys are

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<v Speaker 1>all watching the same movies. You could put cosmic in

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<v Speaker 1>front of anything. It would sounds like a Marvel movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Cosmic quantum, cosmic bowling. I like that answer. I was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that does sound like a good idea. I'd like to

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<v Speaker 1>go to cosmic bowling, cosmic breakfast, cosmic fast. All right. So,

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<v Speaker 1>not a lot of people seem to know what it was,

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<v Speaker 1>although it definitely sounded science and science fiction. A lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people said, oh, it sounds like science fiction, or

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds like something that might be related to string

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<v Speaker 1>theory or physics or energy. It definitely has a science

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<v Speaker 1>feel to it. Yeah, and it might have just been

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<v Speaker 1>the way my hair looked that day. Maybe it looked

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<v Speaker 1>more like a crazy physicist, or maybe it just does

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<v Speaker 1>sound like a sort of a physics thing. So people

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<v Speaker 1>are definitely guessing that. I'm trying to imagine how you

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<v Speaker 1>can look more like a physicist, Daniel, It's kind of hard.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of hard to imagine. I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess I could put on a lab coat. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>I don't usually with a lab code when I'm walking around.

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<v Speaker 1>You put on a marble costume and boom, I need

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<v Speaker 1>an m c U lab coade so I can do

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<v Speaker 1>both things at once. Oh, that would be that's a

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<v Speaker 1>good idea. Actually print um something fun on a lap code.

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<v Speaker 1>M that sounds like merch. Get on that people, next

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<v Speaker 1>product for the Daniel and Jorge explain the universe store.

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<v Speaker 1>But all right, so let's get into it. Daniel, what

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<v Speaker 1>what are they? What is a cosmic string? And I

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<v Speaker 1>I am totally with the people on the street. I've

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<v Speaker 1>never heard of this concept before this morning. Well there's

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<v Speaker 1>a good reason, because cosmic strings are a pretty crazy idea.

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<v Speaker 1>They're pretty far out there, but they're really fun and

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<v Speaker 1>conceptually sort of mind blowing, which is why I think

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<v Speaker 1>the theory stuck around for a while. People get swiping

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<v Speaker 1>it because it sounded fun. Yeah, everybody wants this theory

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<v Speaker 1>to be true. And so what is a cosmic string?

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<v Speaker 1>A cosmic string is a line in space where the

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<v Speaker 1>space itself is a little bit different from the way

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<v Speaker 1>spaces for us, from me and you and most of

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<v Speaker 1>the space in the universe. It's like a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of leftover from the Big Bang where it never quite

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<v Speaker 1>cooled and relaxed the way the space for us has.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a pocket, like a pocket or a bubble,

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<v Speaker 1>or like a stretch dog bubble. Is that kind of

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<v Speaker 1>what mean? No, it's a really long, thin line, like

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<v Speaker 1>it's maybe a phemptometer wide, so like super duper tiny,

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<v Speaker 1>like the width of a proton. But then it can

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<v Speaker 1>be super long, like it could be as long as

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<v Speaker 1>the observable universe, like nine billion light years. It's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like a crack in space itself. Yeah, and you

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<v Speaker 1>have to think about what space is and remember that

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<v Speaker 1>space used to be really different. Right back when the

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<v Speaker 1>universe was created. Everything was hot and dense and there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of energy everywhere. And remember that space is

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<v Speaker 1>not emptiness. Space has all this stuff in It has

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<v Speaker 1>these quantum fields. And when you put energy into space,

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<v Speaker 1>what you're doing is you're making those fields wiggle. And

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<v Speaker 1>so back in the very early universe, those fields were

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<v Speaker 1>going crazy because it was so much energy everywhere. So

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<v Speaker 1>everything was wiggling really fast, and everything had a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of energy. In our book, we talked about how space

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of like a goo. It's like, it's not emptiness.

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<v Speaker 1>It's more like it's like something that you're swimming in almost,

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<v Speaker 1>and it can wiggle and bed and push you in

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<v Speaker 1>different directions. Right, that's right. Gravity does really weird things

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<v Speaker 1>to space. It can stretch it, it can bend it, it

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<v Speaker 1>it can ripple it. But for now, let's just think

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<v Speaker 1>about like one unit of space, Like what's in that

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<v Speaker 1>box of space? And in that box of space are

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<v Speaker 1>quantum fields. Now, the universe started out really hot and

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<v Speaker 1>dense and really energetic, and those fields had a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of energy in them. But the space that we're familiar

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<v Speaker 1>with that operates in the way that we expect, like

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<v Speaker 1>has electrons in it and and atoms and stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>only came about after the universe relaxed a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>We talked about on the Higgs Boson episode that there's

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<v Speaker 1>one of these quantum fields, the Higgs one, that when

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<v Speaker 1>it relaxed, when the universe cooled down, that this field

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<v Speaker 1>didn't go all the way down to zero, sort of

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<v Speaker 1>got stuck on a shelf. Right, Like the field that

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<v Speaker 1>the universe is made out of are not necessarily static,

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<v Speaker 1>like they can be kind of buzzing with energy. That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Every time you have a particle that's a ripple in

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<v Speaker 1>the field, which means you've injected energy into it. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>most of the few can go down to zero like

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<v Speaker 1>you've got no electrons in your box of space. That

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<v Speaker 1>fuel is at zero. But the Higgs boson never gets

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<v Speaker 1>down to zero. Got stuck on this shelf. And so

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<v Speaker 1>how does that explain these pockets or these cracks in space?

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<v Speaker 1>So what happens when the universe is expanding, is it

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<v Speaker 1>it's cooling, right, All this energy is getting spread out

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<v Speaker 1>into more and more space. It's like you're stretching out

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<v Speaker 1>the fields, right, Like you're stretching them out basically, and

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<v Speaker 1>so they calmed down. Yeah, you have the same amount

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<v Speaker 1>of energy in more space, and so it gets deluded.

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<v Speaker 1>So everything's like cooling and relaxing and sort of like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you you toss your blanket over your bed

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<v Speaker 1>and it sort of settles down and settles over your bed, right,

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<v Speaker 1>like a cosmic nap is like a cosmic blanket. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and it settles down. But the Higgs field got stuck. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>But here's the thing. The Higgs field has lots of

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<v Speaker 1>different ways to get stuck on that shelf. Is that

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<v Speaker 1>shelf is not just like one little balcony. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>a long round balcony, and the universe can get stuck

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<v Speaker 1>in different spots on that shelf. And so as the

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<v Speaker 1>universe is cooling, if this chunk of space over here

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<v Speaker 1>got stuck on a different spot then that chunk of space,

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<v Speaker 1>then there's this sort of boundary between them, this place

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<v Speaker 1>between them that doesn't quite work because it's sort of

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<v Speaker 1>trapped between space that got that cooled in two different ways.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of like how you know, water or air

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<v Speaker 1>has different states like solid liquid and gas, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>as you cool something down, you can form these little

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<v Speaker 1>pockets of liquid or gas or what's either one solid

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<v Speaker 1>water crystal. Yeah, it's like when you, like when you

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<v Speaker 1>stick water into the freezer and it cools down and

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<v Speaker 1>forms ice. It doesn't form like this perfect solid of ice.

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<v Speaker 1>It forms like it has bowls and cracks and wiggles

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<v Speaker 1>and it is that kind of what you're saying, is

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<v Speaker 1>happened happened? Or how is happening to space right now?

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly like that, if you cool water down, then you

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<v Speaker 1>get a crystal. But it doesn't, as you say, turn

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<v Speaker 1>into a crystal all at once. There's these sites that

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<v Speaker 1>begin because they're the coldest, little dots, and the crystals

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<v Speaker 1>start to form there, and then they form out from

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<v Speaker 1>those little spots where they have nucleated. And then what

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<v Speaker 1>happens when two crystals meet, You have this boundary, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and you don't have a perfect crystal. You have a

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<v Speaker 1>defect in the crystal. That's why, like some diamonds are

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<v Speaker 1>perfect and some diamonds are not because there's a defect

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<v Speaker 1>there where in the crystal where one half of it

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<v Speaker 1>is cooled in a different time than the other half,

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<v Speaker 1>so they're not all lined up perfectly. The same thing

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<v Speaker 1>happened to space, maybe, like there are imperfections in space,

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<v Speaker 1>there are imperfections in their defects or cracks in space.

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<v Speaker 1>Where on one side the Higgs field, it's at the

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<v Speaker 1>same level, right, it's just pointed in a different direction,

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<v Speaker 1>because the Higgs field has sort of two we call

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<v Speaker 1>them degrees of freedom, the level let it relaxed that

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<v Speaker 1>and also where on that shelf it got stuck. So

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<v Speaker 1>if this chunk of space is stuck on a different

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<v Speaker 1>spot in the shelf, then that chunk of space, it's

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<v Speaker 1>sort of like your ice cooling at different ways. In

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<v Speaker 1>different ways, the stoles are oriented in different directions, and

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<v Speaker 1>so at the boundary you get this thing that doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>quite make sense. So I always thought the universe was

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<v Speaker 1>pretty pretty good, but I guess it's not a triple

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<v Speaker 1>A diamond quality space. I mean, I love our universe.

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<v Speaker 1>I would not trade it in for anything. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's perfect just the way it is. But it might

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<v Speaker 1>have these cracks in it, right, And we don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>We have never seen one of these things, but it

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<v Speaker 1>might have these cracks in it. That's the idea. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the concept of a cosmic string, cosmic flaws in space itself.

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<v Speaker 1>And so along that line, it's like the universe never

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<v Speaker 1>got to cool because it doesn't know like should I

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<v Speaker 1>cool in this way or should I cool in the

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<v Speaker 1>other way. It's sort of like trapped between them, and

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<v Speaker 1>so it still has that energy density from the initial

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<v Speaker 1>universe when everything was really hot and dense. And so

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<v Speaker 1>these cosmic strings, even though they're really really thin, they're

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<v Speaker 1>like a femtometer wide. They're incredibly massive, and they could

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<v Speaker 1>be holding energy like the cracks or the flaws in

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<v Speaker 1>the universe could be storing some sort of energy or

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<v Speaker 1>tension into them. Absolutely incredible amounts of energy. Like two

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<v Speaker 1>centimeters of a cosmic string weighs as much as Mount Everest.

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<v Speaker 1>A kilometer of cosmic string weighs more than the Earth.

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<v Speaker 1>And so we're talking about these things. They could be

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<v Speaker 1>like ninety billion light years long. It's an enormous amount

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<v Speaker 1>of energy. What you just totally correct my mind here, Daniel,

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<v Speaker 1>cosmically cosmically dude. But all right, so let's get into

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<v Speaker 1>it and why is physicists think these crazy cracks might

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<v Speaker 1>exist and whether or not they're real. But first let's

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<v Speaker 1>take a quick break. Okay, so you're saying that as

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<v Speaker 1>the universe was cooling or assets cooling right now, you

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<v Speaker 1>might have these areas these lines, these huge lines in

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<v Speaker 1>space that are sort of like cracks, like where space

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of freezing into different crystals like structures or

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<v Speaker 1>different modes, and so you have these kind of edges

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<v Speaker 1>to the wrinkles in space itself due to the Higgs

0:20:11.680 --> 0:20:14.439
<v Speaker 1>field precisely, and we are in the crystal part, right,

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<v Speaker 1>we're in the part of space that cooled, and these

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<v Speaker 1>chunks of space that all cool sort of together. That's

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<v Speaker 1>like could be as wise nine billion night years like

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<v Speaker 1>the observable universe. So it's not like you have a

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<v Speaker 1>little pocket of space, assize your hand and the next

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<v Speaker 1>pocket is different, the next pocket is different. If there

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<v Speaker 1>are these pockets and they're vast, they're incredibly enormous, but

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<v Speaker 1>then at their edges there can be these cracks. And

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<v Speaker 1>you're saying, these edges, these boundaries look like strings, and

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<v Speaker 1>so why don't they look like walls or like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>planes out in space. Why is it shape like a

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<v Speaker 1>long like you're super thin but really long string. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a great question. That's because the Higgs boson. The

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<v Speaker 1>field for the Higgs has a lot of different ways

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<v Speaker 1>you can relax, Like there's one level at which you

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<v Speaker 1>can relax one and energy level, but on that energy

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<v Speaker 1>level can sort of point in a lot of different directions.

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<v Speaker 1>And so the way to get a boundary is like

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<v Speaker 1>if you had two different energy levels and and the

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<v Speaker 1>boundary like a would be like a plane between them.

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<v Speaker 1>But um, because there's only one energy level, everywhere in

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<v Speaker 1>space has that energy level, but they just point in

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<v Speaker 1>different directions. And so what you get is this defect

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<v Speaker 1>that's like a string. And then as you go around

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<v Speaker 1>the string, the Higgs field is pointing in different directions,

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<v Speaker 1>and so it points in a different direction every point

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<v Speaker 1>around the string. And then the only place where you

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<v Speaker 1>can't get sort of like smoothness is along this one

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<v Speaker 1>infinitesimally thin line where space doesn't know where to point

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<v Speaker 1>because every point everything around it is pointing in a

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<v Speaker 1>different direction. So it's like I can't relax. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know which way should I go. It's kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>me in this podcast, We're going in every direction. What

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<v Speaker 1>happens if I touch one of these strings? Like what

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm touch one of these things and I run

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<v Speaker 1>into like, you know, like a spiderweb, you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>walking down the street and just run into one. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I would recommend wearing oven myths first of all, because

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of energy there. Oh, that's right, they

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<v Speaker 1>trap energy. It's like a so I guess it's more

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<v Speaker 1>like a wrinkle in space. Right, It's not so much

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<v Speaker 1>like a crack, but it's more like, you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>you're tucking in or you're bending a lot of space

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<v Speaker 1>along the line of it. Yeah, a wrinkle is a

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<v Speaker 1>good way to do it. I think a cosmic wrinkle

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<v Speaker 1>um would have been a good way to sell this

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<v Speaker 1>thing that could be the sequel to the Plaguind novels

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<v Speaker 1>A Wrinkle in Space Time. Turns out there was physics

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<v Speaker 1>behind that novel. You would notice one almost immediately if

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<v Speaker 1>you saw one, because there's so much mass that they

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<v Speaker 1>bend the space around them the way everything does. Everything

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<v Speaker 1>with mass bend space, and it would cause a huge

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<v Speaker 1>gravitational lens. So it would really distort the way light

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<v Speaker 1>moved around it. Wow, like a black hole. Be like

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<v Speaker 1>a black string. Yeah, it would be a lot like

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<v Speaker 1>a black hole, except it would be really really thin

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<v Speaker 1>and very very long. Okay, there would be probably crazy

0:23:00.480 --> 0:23:03.040
<v Speaker 1>stuff happening around it, right, like a you know, it

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't just sort of sit there in space that there

0:23:04.840 --> 0:23:07.680
<v Speaker 1>would be you know, some kind of you know, cosmic

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<v Speaker 1>storm kind of swirling around it. Would there be uh

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<v Speaker 1>in the m c U version of this movie, then yell.

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<v Speaker 1>The visual effects would be dramatic all around it. Is

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<v Speaker 1>that what you're thinking? Yeah, yeah, what what does the

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<v Speaker 1>gauntlet that holds the cosmic strings look like? No, it's

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<v Speaker 1>actually fascinating because, unlike a black hole, which has enormous

0:23:25.560 --> 0:23:28.679
<v Speaker 1>gravitational pull and so has a huge amount of stuff

0:23:28.760 --> 0:23:32.080
<v Speaker 1>around it, like a maelstrom that's like giving off light

0:23:32.119 --> 0:23:34.239
<v Speaker 1>because of all the gravitational energy and the and the

0:23:34.240 --> 0:23:39.840
<v Speaker 1>title forces, cosmic strings don't actually provide a strong gravitational pull,

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<v Speaker 1>like they distort space, but they don't necessarily create gravity themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a really weird consequence. It depends on the shape

0:23:48.040 --> 0:23:51.040
<v Speaker 1>of the string, if they're a loop or if they're straight.

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<v Speaker 1>It's actually quite complicated. Didn't you say that it has

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<v Speaker 1>more mass than the Earth? Yes, or like, you know,

0:23:58.160 --> 0:24:01.600
<v Speaker 1>it's just really massive, but it's a mass but no gravity.

0:24:01.760 --> 0:24:04.400
<v Speaker 1>It has mass, it distores space, so it can become

0:24:04.440 --> 0:24:08.440
<v Speaker 1>a gravitational lens, but it doesn't necessarily attract you because

0:24:08.440 --> 0:24:11.239
<v Speaker 1>of the configuration of it. It depends precisely on the

0:24:11.240 --> 0:24:14.199
<v Speaker 1>shape of it. Remember, general relativity tells us that gravity

0:24:14.240 --> 0:24:17.119
<v Speaker 1>is much more complicated than just things that have mass

0:24:17.160 --> 0:24:19.479
<v Speaker 1>pull on each other. It depends a lot on the

0:24:19.520 --> 0:24:21.639
<v Speaker 1>shape of that stuff. That's why if you have the

0:24:21.720 --> 0:24:24.560
<v Speaker 1>right configuration of stuff, you can even get repulsion like

0:24:24.680 --> 0:24:27.520
<v Speaker 1>dark energy. And so these cosmic strings are a really

0:24:27.560 --> 0:24:30.199
<v Speaker 1>weird little object. And and it depends exactly on the

0:24:30.240 --> 0:24:33.200
<v Speaker 1>configuration of it whether you get pulled into it or repelled,

0:24:33.400 --> 0:24:35.800
<v Speaker 1>or whether it basically ignores you. So when you say

0:24:35.920 --> 0:24:38.879
<v Speaker 1>it's massive, it's it's really more like the equals mc square,

0:24:38.920 --> 0:24:41.040
<v Speaker 1>Like it just has a lot of energy to it. Yeah,

0:24:41.119 --> 0:24:43.080
<v Speaker 1>it has a huge amount of energy, a lot of

0:24:43.160 --> 0:24:45.520
<v Speaker 1>energy density in a really small spot. All right, Well,

0:24:45.560 --> 0:24:48.080
<v Speaker 1>it sounds kind of dangerous and that maybe you don't

0:24:48.119 --> 0:24:49.760
<v Speaker 1>want to run into one of these strings out there

0:24:49.760 --> 0:24:52.000
<v Speaker 1>in space unless you want to win a Nobel prize,

0:24:52.840 --> 0:24:57.440
<v Speaker 1>unless you want to die trying, I guess. But why

0:24:57.480 --> 0:25:00.240
<v Speaker 1>why do phacests think they might exist? Is this thing

0:25:00.320 --> 0:25:03.360
<v Speaker 1>that you're pretty sure of or it's a crazy idea?

0:25:03.800 --> 0:25:07.760
<v Speaker 1>What would what would make someone think of these strings

0:25:07.800 --> 0:25:10.199
<v Speaker 1>as possibly being out there? Well, it comes from this

0:25:10.240 --> 0:25:13.280
<v Speaker 1>guy named Tom Kibble, and Kibble was one of the

0:25:13.280 --> 0:25:15.840
<v Speaker 1>folks who was around when the whole idea of the

0:25:15.880 --> 0:25:19.520
<v Speaker 1>Higgs boson was being invented, This question of like how

0:25:19.720 --> 0:25:22.040
<v Speaker 1>do particles get mass? And do we need to invent

0:25:22.160 --> 0:25:26.720
<v Speaker 1>a new quantum field that fills space that gives particles mass?

0:25:26.800 --> 0:25:30.440
<v Speaker 1>And you know, anytime theorists come up with some new idea,

0:25:30.560 --> 0:25:32.639
<v Speaker 1>then they like to play with it and they say, oh, okay,

0:25:32.720 --> 0:25:34.919
<v Speaker 1>now we have a new toy, this Higgs field. What

0:25:35.000 --> 0:25:37.399
<v Speaker 1>else does it mean? You know, how can we what

0:25:37.560 --> 0:25:39.840
<v Speaker 1>consequences would it have? And so he was thinking about

0:25:39.840 --> 0:25:42.480
<v Speaker 1>the early universe and how the Higgs field would be

0:25:42.520 --> 0:25:45.320
<v Speaker 1>cooling as the universe expanded, and then he hit on

0:25:45.359 --> 0:25:47.320
<v Speaker 1>this idea. He thought, wait a second, what if it

0:25:47.359 --> 0:25:50.280
<v Speaker 1>doesn't cool evenly? Would you get these cracks? And I

0:25:50.280 --> 0:25:52.399
<v Speaker 1>guess that was just really fun to think about. He

0:25:52.480 --> 0:25:55.440
<v Speaker 1>also he didn't get included in the Nobil Prize because

0:25:55.440 --> 0:25:57.399
<v Speaker 1>he sort of came in a time he'd bit too

0:25:57.520 --> 0:25:59.480
<v Speaker 1>late on those papers. So maybe he was going for

0:25:59.520 --> 0:26:02.280
<v Speaker 1>a backup Nobel Prize strategy. I wonder if his name help,

0:26:02.440 --> 0:26:04.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe the committee was like, we can't give

0:26:04.920 --> 0:26:09.720
<v Speaker 1>it no prize to someone named Kimble. You know, there's

0:26:09.760 --> 0:26:12.040
<v Speaker 1>a whole group of people. There's like three folks out

0:26:12.080 --> 0:26:14.320
<v Speaker 1>there who were writing papers right at the same time

0:26:14.320 --> 0:26:17.600
<v Speaker 1>as Higgs and Englert, and they just got totally snubbed

0:26:17.600 --> 0:26:21.359
<v Speaker 1>by the Nobel Prize committee. Wow, it's just about when

0:26:21.400 --> 0:26:24.199
<v Speaker 1>they submitted the paper or when when they came up

0:26:24.200 --> 0:26:27.360
<v Speaker 1>with the idea. There's a lot of controversy because it's

0:26:27.400 --> 0:26:30.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, some journals that the date on the paper

0:26:30.160 --> 0:26:32.600
<v Speaker 1>reflects when you submitted it, and in other journals it

0:26:32.680 --> 0:26:36.399
<v Speaker 1>reflects when it was finally accepted after review. And so

0:26:36.440 --> 0:26:38.359
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of controversy about who came up with

0:26:38.400 --> 0:26:40.679
<v Speaker 1>the idea first. And you can only give the prize

0:26:40.680 --> 0:26:45.040
<v Speaker 1>to three people. And the three people who everybody mostly

0:26:45.080 --> 0:26:49.040
<v Speaker 1>agrees came up with the idea first Higgs, Englert, and Brown.

0:26:49.560 --> 0:26:52.160
<v Speaker 1>They were they won the prize except for Brown who

0:26:52.160 --> 0:26:54.280
<v Speaker 1>had died already, so it was just split to the

0:26:54.320 --> 0:26:56.760
<v Speaker 1>Higgs and England. And then in the second tier they

0:26:56.760 --> 0:26:59.320
<v Speaker 1>were like three people and so they were like, well,

0:26:59.359 --> 0:27:01.680
<v Speaker 1>it either it gives two or we give it to five.

0:27:01.800 --> 0:27:03.440
<v Speaker 1>We can't give it to five, so I guess we'll

0:27:03.440 --> 0:27:06.679
<v Speaker 1>just snub that whole second tier. Wow, is there a

0:27:06.720 --> 0:27:11.600
<v Speaker 1>runner up Nobel Prize honorary. Yeah, it's sort of like

0:27:11.680 --> 0:27:16.040
<v Speaker 1>fake gold, you know, just like hollow plastic. It's not

0:27:16.119 --> 0:27:18.639
<v Speaker 1>nearly as cool. Okay, so that's the theory. The theory

0:27:18.760 --> 0:27:21.680
<v Speaker 1>is that asked the universe is cooling, You got these

0:27:21.760 --> 0:27:24.880
<v Speaker 1>kind of flaws and how the Higgs field was cooling down,

0:27:25.480 --> 0:27:27.959
<v Speaker 1>and so you form these crazy strings. But they're not

0:27:28.000 --> 0:27:31.040
<v Speaker 1>related to string theory, right. That might be confusing because

0:27:31.040 --> 0:27:34.520
<v Speaker 1>they're both strings, but there are totally different scales. That's right,

0:27:34.520 --> 0:27:36.880
<v Speaker 1>they're not related to string theory at all. String theory

0:27:37.000 --> 0:27:39.320
<v Speaker 1>deals with like the fundamental nature of the universe on

0:27:39.359 --> 0:27:42.959
<v Speaker 1>the smallest scale, like ten to the minus thirty five meters,

0:27:43.560 --> 0:27:46.560
<v Speaker 1>is everything actually made out of these tiny vibrating strings.

0:27:46.920 --> 0:27:49.040
<v Speaker 1>The thing they have in common is the sort of

0:27:49.200 --> 0:27:52.320
<v Speaker 1>analogy we use in our minds where we put them that, like,

0:27:52.400 --> 0:27:54.439
<v Speaker 1>you know, this thing is really long and thin, so

0:27:54.520 --> 0:27:57.439
<v Speaker 1>let's call it a string. So fundamental strings that are

0:27:57.480 --> 0:28:01.520
<v Speaker 1>really tiny we think might be these one dimensional objects.

0:28:01.560 --> 0:28:05.160
<v Speaker 1>So they're really long and thin, not that long actually, um,

0:28:05.280 --> 0:28:08.080
<v Speaker 1>but they're much longer than they are thin and cosmic strings.

0:28:08.119 --> 0:28:11.000
<v Speaker 1>Are you know, light years long and a femptometer thin.

0:28:11.119 --> 0:28:13.639
<v Speaker 1>So the only thing they really have in common is

0:28:13.760 --> 0:28:16.480
<v Speaker 1>that name. But there's there were other reasons to think

0:28:16.480 --> 0:28:19.520
<v Speaker 1>that cosmic strings might have existed, all right, So then,

0:28:19.840 --> 0:28:21.679
<v Speaker 1>so what was the motivation for these Like I know

0:28:21.720 --> 0:28:24.639
<v Speaker 1>they were playing around with the theory of the Higgs field,

0:28:24.880 --> 0:28:28.720
<v Speaker 1>but what makes this a particularly fun theory, like you said,

0:28:28.840 --> 0:28:32.000
<v Speaker 1>or interesting theory to look for. Well, you're right, it's

0:28:32.040 --> 0:28:33.840
<v Speaker 1>a fun idea and it's fun to play with, but

0:28:33.880 --> 0:28:36.439
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of things that get theories excited and

0:28:36.480 --> 0:28:40.400
<v Speaker 1>fun to play with. I mean, they're fun strings. That's

0:28:40.400 --> 0:28:41.680
<v Speaker 1>what they do. They just go in their office and

0:28:41.720 --> 0:28:44.600
<v Speaker 1>play with strings. Um No, The thing that made this

0:28:44.640 --> 0:28:47.160
<v Speaker 1>idea sort of stick in people's minds was that they

0:28:47.200 --> 0:28:50.120
<v Speaker 1>thought it might solve a problem that we had, which

0:28:50.120 --> 0:28:53.240
<v Speaker 1>is that we didn't understand like why we had galaxies.

0:28:53.400 --> 0:28:56.160
<v Speaker 1>We didn't understand why the universe had structure at all.

0:28:56.520 --> 0:28:59.240
<v Speaker 1>We talked about this on the podcast before, like the

0:28:59.320 --> 0:29:02.560
<v Speaker 1>universe started totally smooth. How do you get any clumping?

0:29:02.800 --> 0:29:05.120
<v Speaker 1>How do you get things started so that gravity can

0:29:05.120 --> 0:29:07.680
<v Speaker 1>take over and give you stars and planets and rabbits

0:29:07.680 --> 0:29:10.520
<v Speaker 1>and hamsters? Right, Like where did that initial texture of

0:29:10.560 --> 0:29:16.120
<v Speaker 1>the universe come from, or the initial clumping of stuff? Exactly?

0:29:16.160 --> 0:29:17.720
<v Speaker 1>We could have been in a universe where everything was

0:29:17.760 --> 0:29:21.000
<v Speaker 1>just spread out and bland and boring and gray. Right,

0:29:21.520 --> 0:29:25.200
<v Speaker 1>that's right. And somebody was thinking about cosmic strings early on,

0:29:25.240 --> 0:29:27.960
<v Speaker 1>and they calculated like, well, how many cosmic strings would

0:29:28.000 --> 0:29:30.440
<v Speaker 1>there have been? And then they calculated like, well, how

0:29:30.480 --> 0:29:33.719
<v Speaker 1>many galaxies are there? And those two numbers were pretty similar,

0:29:33.760 --> 0:29:38.000
<v Speaker 1>so that they thought, wait a second, me, me, cosmic strings, galaxies.

0:29:38.400 --> 0:29:41.520
<v Speaker 1>Maybe the reason we have structures because of cosmic strings.

0:29:41.600 --> 0:29:45.240
<v Speaker 1>Maybe these cracks in space, these imperfections, are the reason

0:29:45.600 --> 0:29:48.640
<v Speaker 1>that stuff started to clump together and form structure and

0:29:48.680 --> 0:29:51.200
<v Speaker 1>planets and hamsters and ice cream and bananas. So maybe

0:29:51.200 --> 0:29:54.000
<v Speaker 1>cosmic strings explained the universe. It would have tied everything

0:29:54.080 --> 0:29:57.120
<v Speaker 1>up pretty neatly with a string, exactly. It would have

0:29:57.120 --> 0:30:00.000
<v Speaker 1>been quite the cosmic solution. That's why people got excited

0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:02.680
<v Speaker 1>about it, because you have this new toy which is

0:30:02.720 --> 0:30:05.640
<v Speaker 1>connected to this fun new theoretical idea of higgs boson,

0:30:06.320 --> 0:30:09.440
<v Speaker 1>and maybe it solves the problem you have. All right, Well,

0:30:09.480 --> 0:30:13.040
<v Speaker 1>it sounds really tantalizing, and I'm definitely seeing the fun

0:30:13.080 --> 0:30:16.000
<v Speaker 1>of it. And I definitely feel like I'm being strung

0:30:16.040 --> 0:30:19.520
<v Speaker 1>along here to some interesting conclusion. So let's get into

0:30:19.560 --> 0:30:21.920
<v Speaker 1>whether or not they are real and how we might

0:30:22.080 --> 0:30:26.120
<v Speaker 1>actually see these cosmic strings out in space. But first

0:30:26.200 --> 0:30:42.280
<v Speaker 1>let's take another quick break. Okay, Daniel, So our cosmic

0:30:42.400 --> 0:30:46.000
<v Speaker 1>strings real, and how will we know? Are we Are

0:30:46.000 --> 0:30:47.520
<v Speaker 1>we going to see them out in space? Are we

0:30:47.520 --> 0:30:49.640
<v Speaker 1>gonna be looking out into space one day and see, like,

0:30:49.680 --> 0:30:52.440
<v Speaker 1>wait a minute, what is that little crack we check

0:30:52.480 --> 0:30:55.560
<v Speaker 1>our glasses and our telescopes. It's not a crack in

0:30:55.600 --> 0:30:58.880
<v Speaker 1>the lens. It's an actual crack in space, in the

0:30:58.960 --> 0:31:02.480
<v Speaker 1>universe itself. That would be pretty awesome. I mean, what

0:31:02.600 --> 0:31:05.080
<v Speaker 1>a thing to discover, What a moment that would be,

0:31:05.320 --> 0:31:08.840
<v Speaker 1>to see a crack in space itself. Unfortunately, no human

0:31:08.920 --> 0:31:11.239
<v Speaker 1>has had that experience yet. As far as we know,

0:31:11.320 --> 0:31:13.760
<v Speaker 1>there are no cosmic strings out there. Like how you said,

0:31:13.800 --> 0:31:16.160
<v Speaker 1>no humans. I don't want to rag on alien science,

0:31:16.200 --> 0:31:18.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm hoping those guys have made some advances

0:31:18.640 --> 0:31:20.840
<v Speaker 1>well past what we have done, so that when they

0:31:20.880 --> 0:31:23.440
<v Speaker 1>come visit, they share with us all those secrets. No

0:31:23.560 --> 0:31:26.960
<v Speaker 1>human that we know of, no human that we know of,

0:31:27.120 --> 0:31:29.240
<v Speaker 1>and no human would make this discovery, and I think

0:31:29.320 --> 0:31:31.600
<v Speaker 1>keep it to themselves because it would be of really

0:31:31.640 --> 0:31:35.160
<v Speaker 1>cosmic significance. And remember we also we can't say they

0:31:35.200 --> 0:31:37.920
<v Speaker 1>don't exist. We can just say we haven't seen them,

0:31:37.960 --> 0:31:40.480
<v Speaker 1>so we don't know that they exist. Okay, so we

0:31:40.480 --> 0:31:44.320
<v Speaker 1>haven't seen one yet, but it's a theoretical prediction that

0:31:44.400 --> 0:31:47.680
<v Speaker 1>it sounds fun and that might explain some of the

0:31:47.720 --> 0:31:51.160
<v Speaker 1>structure in the universe. So are people looking for these

0:31:51.720 --> 0:31:54.880
<v Speaker 1>cosmic cracks or are we just hoping that one day

0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:58.560
<v Speaker 1>we maybe see them, Like, are active search for these cracks?

0:31:58.840 --> 0:32:01.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm just waiting for alien you accords to come pulling

0:32:01.080 --> 0:32:04.520
<v Speaker 1>one and drop it on the Earth. That's what that's

0:32:04.520 --> 0:32:07.160
<v Speaker 1>what they used to steer the the cosmic unichorus. They

0:32:07.200 --> 0:32:11.320
<v Speaker 1>used cosmic strings. No, that will be the opening scene

0:32:11.360 --> 0:32:14.920
<v Speaker 1>in the Marvel movie about cosmic strings. Um. But people

0:32:14.920 --> 0:32:17.680
<v Speaker 1>were thinking that maybe this affected the shape of the universe,

0:32:17.720 --> 0:32:20.360
<v Speaker 1>and they had all these predictions like if these cracks

0:32:20.360 --> 0:32:22.320
<v Speaker 1>in space were the things that caused sort of the

0:32:22.400 --> 0:32:25.479
<v Speaker 1>large scale structure, the reason we have galaxies, then they

0:32:25.520 --> 0:32:28.080
<v Speaker 1>had predictions for how the universe should have sort of

0:32:28.120 --> 0:32:31.200
<v Speaker 1>been rippling in its first moments. And remember that we

0:32:31.240 --> 0:32:33.800
<v Speaker 1>have seen the early universe. We can look back in

0:32:33.920 --> 0:32:36.520
<v Speaker 1>time and see what the universe looked like when it

0:32:36.600 --> 0:32:40.240
<v Speaker 1>was very young. Called this the cosmic microwave background radiations

0:32:40.800 --> 0:32:43.600
<v Speaker 1>leftover glow from the Big Bang. But didn't these strings

0:32:43.640 --> 0:32:47.200
<v Speaker 1>form way after the Big Bang when everything was cooling down?

0:32:47.480 --> 0:32:50.120
<v Speaker 1>Or or was it that it? Did they start wrinkling

0:32:50.400 --> 0:32:52.960
<v Speaker 1>right after the Big Bang? Right after the Big Bang? Yeah,

0:32:52.960 --> 0:32:56.120
<v Speaker 1>it's when as space was expanding. That's when sort of

0:32:56.240 --> 0:32:59.360
<v Speaker 1>things were cooling and the ice crystals of space were forming,

0:32:59.720 --> 0:33:02.440
<v Speaker 1>and and the cosmic microwave background happened like hundreds of

0:33:02.520 --> 0:33:06.120
<v Speaker 1>thousands of years later. And now we've seen that. So

0:33:06.160 --> 0:33:08.760
<v Speaker 1>these cosmic strings, the idea was invented before we had

0:33:08.760 --> 0:33:12.480
<v Speaker 1>precise measurement of this cosmic microwave background light, and it

0:33:12.560 --> 0:33:15.520
<v Speaker 1>made very specific predictions for what that light should look like.

0:33:16.280 --> 0:33:18.520
<v Speaker 1>And then we saw that light from the early universe

0:33:18.560 --> 0:33:20.920
<v Speaker 1>and it didn't look right. It doesn't look the way

0:33:20.960 --> 0:33:24.280
<v Speaker 1>you would expect it to if cosmic strings were real, Really,

0:33:24.400 --> 0:33:27.800
<v Speaker 1>you would see this in the cosmic microwave background, Like

0:33:28.080 --> 0:33:30.400
<v Speaker 1>aren't these I mean, aren't these cracks you're saying they're

0:33:30.400 --> 0:33:34.000
<v Speaker 1>one phantometer? Then how would you even see them? In

0:33:34.000 --> 0:33:37.760
<v Speaker 1>the cosmic background. If they're there and they did affect

0:33:37.760 --> 0:33:39.480
<v Speaker 1>the sort of structure of the universe, you would start

0:33:39.520 --> 0:33:42.000
<v Speaker 1>to see that structure beginning to form in the very

0:33:42.000 --> 0:33:44.840
<v Speaker 1>early universe. I mean they've had three hundred thousand years

0:33:44.880 --> 0:33:47.080
<v Speaker 1>or so to start to get things starting to wiggle,

0:33:47.400 --> 0:33:49.680
<v Speaker 1>and we do see structure in the early universe. I

0:33:49.720 --> 0:33:52.200
<v Speaker 1>mean early universe is very smooth because it was early

0:33:52.240 --> 0:33:54.600
<v Speaker 1>on and things were just getting started. But we look

0:33:54.640 --> 0:33:56.560
<v Speaker 1>at that light and we see like hot spots and

0:33:56.640 --> 0:34:00.000
<v Speaker 1>cold spots. We can analyze those rates of hot spots

0:34:00.000 --> 0:34:02.719
<v Speaker 1>and cold spots and say what theory would give us

0:34:02.720 --> 0:34:05.680
<v Speaker 1>sort of that level of fluctuation, that level of structure

0:34:05.720 --> 0:34:08.560
<v Speaker 1>at that time, and cosmic strings just predicts sort of

0:34:08.640 --> 0:34:11.200
<v Speaker 1>a different distribution of hot spots and cold spots than

0:34:11.280 --> 0:34:14.200
<v Speaker 1>we see. Really, even if them, what if there aren't

0:34:14.239 --> 0:34:17.560
<v Speaker 1>as many strings as you thought there might be, you

0:34:17.560 --> 0:34:19.960
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean, like maybe there's just just far

0:34:20.040 --> 0:34:21.880
<v Speaker 1>and few in between for you to see them. Know,

0:34:22.080 --> 0:34:24.720
<v Speaker 1>the pattern is just wrong. It's not like about the number,

0:34:25.040 --> 0:34:27.440
<v Speaker 1>it's about the distribution, how far apart they are and

0:34:27.480 --> 0:34:30.240
<v Speaker 1>sort of how they affect the shape of space. Instead,

0:34:30.320 --> 0:34:33.840
<v Speaker 1>it's totally consistent with just quantum fluctuations in the early

0:34:33.920 --> 0:34:37.200
<v Speaker 1>universe then getting blown up by inflation. So there were

0:34:37.239 --> 0:34:41.200
<v Speaker 1>sort of two competing theories, like this random fluctuation plus

0:34:41.200 --> 0:34:45.399
<v Speaker 1>inflation or cosmic strings. And now the data really look

0:34:45.480 --> 0:34:48.960
<v Speaker 1>a lot like random fluctuations plus inflation and not like

0:34:49.040 --> 0:34:52.040
<v Speaker 1>cosmic strings. I guess that's good, right, because if it

0:34:52.080 --> 0:34:54.359
<v Speaker 1>turned out that the the universe as a baby had

0:34:54.400 --> 0:34:56.440
<v Speaker 1>a lot of wrinkles in it, that would be kind

0:34:56.440 --> 0:35:01.760
<v Speaker 1>of strange and disturbing, wouldn't Who wants to see a wrinkly,

0:35:02.200 --> 0:35:05.080
<v Speaker 1>old looking baby. Man, if the universe is listening to

0:35:05.080 --> 0:35:09.680
<v Speaker 1>this podcast, you're in trouble. I'm already in troubled in

0:35:10.840 --> 0:35:13.680
<v Speaker 1>But you know, if cosmic strings do exist, they don't

0:35:13.719 --> 0:35:16.160
<v Speaker 1>have to have formed the structure. This is like, if

0:35:16.200 --> 0:35:19.239
<v Speaker 1>they caused the structure, here's what that structure should look like.

0:35:19.600 --> 0:35:21.399
<v Speaker 1>But they could still exist. It could be that they're

0:35:21.400 --> 0:35:24.320
<v Speaker 1>still out there. They're just not responsible for the structure

0:35:24.360 --> 0:35:26.760
<v Speaker 1>of the universe as we know it. Oh, I see,

0:35:26.800 --> 0:35:30.040
<v Speaker 1>we know that there. They maybe didn't have a hand

0:35:30.120 --> 0:35:33.160
<v Speaker 1>in structuring the universe, but they could still be out there.

0:35:33.200 --> 0:35:35.399
<v Speaker 1>They're just sort of like under the radar more than

0:35:35.480 --> 0:35:38.160
<v Speaker 1>you thought they would be. That's right, and so we

0:35:38.239 --> 0:35:40.680
<v Speaker 1>have other ways to look for cosmic strings that people

0:35:40.719 --> 0:35:42.960
<v Speaker 1>are actively doing right now. What are some of the

0:35:42.960 --> 0:35:46.040
<v Speaker 1>ways that we can search for these cosmic strings. Well,

0:35:46.120 --> 0:35:48.680
<v Speaker 1>cosmic strings have a lot of energy density, and so

0:35:48.719 --> 0:35:52.160
<v Speaker 1>they do this gravitational lensing thing. They bend space, and

0:35:52.200 --> 0:35:54.359
<v Speaker 1>so if you have a really bright source of light

0:35:54.440 --> 0:35:57.279
<v Speaker 1>behind a cosmic string and you're standing in front of it,

0:35:57.480 --> 0:35:59.480
<v Speaker 1>then you see like sort of a doubling of an

0:35:59.480 --> 0:36:01.720
<v Speaker 1>image because the light we get bent around the string.

0:36:02.040 --> 0:36:04.360
<v Speaker 1>Like if I had a flashlight and there's a cosmic

0:36:04.440 --> 0:36:06.879
<v Speaker 1>string between us, and I turned on my flashlight, you'd

0:36:06.920 --> 0:36:11.160
<v Speaker 1>see two bulbs, right, But wouldn't aren't these strings really thin?

0:36:11.920 --> 0:36:14.560
<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm trying to think about how much distortion

0:36:14.719 --> 0:36:17.320
<v Speaker 1>a little string, and Megan, it would be kind of tiny,

0:36:17.400 --> 0:36:20.440
<v Speaker 1>right would it would be really hard to see, Like

0:36:20.480 --> 0:36:23.840
<v Speaker 1>a small imperfection in such a huge canvas would be

0:36:23.920 --> 0:36:26.719
<v Speaker 1>really thin, but it'd be really really massive. Right. Say

0:36:26.760 --> 0:36:29.320
<v Speaker 1>we took them Mount Everest and squeezed it down to

0:36:29.400 --> 0:36:32.760
<v Speaker 1>a tiny string, right then it could have a significant impact,

0:36:33.680 --> 0:36:36.520
<v Speaker 1>all right, So and we would we would maybe see

0:36:36.680 --> 0:36:39.200
<v Speaker 1>not not as a lens but like a kind of

0:36:39.239 --> 0:36:41.799
<v Speaker 1>like a lens in the form of a string, kind

0:36:41.840 --> 0:36:46.239
<v Speaker 1>of like we would see doubles all along the string itself, precisely.

0:36:46.239 --> 0:36:47.759
<v Speaker 1>And so what we've done is we looked out in

0:36:47.800 --> 0:36:50.120
<v Speaker 1>the space and we look for this kind of effect.

0:36:50.239 --> 0:36:52.840
<v Speaker 1>And we see gravitational lensing all the time in space.

0:36:53.160 --> 0:36:55.880
<v Speaker 1>Usually it's black holes or blobs of dark matter, this

0:36:55.960 --> 0:36:57.960
<v Speaker 1>kind of stuff. But as you say, a cosmic string

0:36:57.960 --> 0:37:00.400
<v Speaker 1>would look a little different. And people have seen like

0:37:00.600 --> 0:37:03.400
<v Speaker 1>pairs of galaxies in the sky near each other that

0:37:03.440 --> 0:37:06.360
<v Speaker 1>looked really really similar, and they thought, oh, wait, maybe

0:37:06.360 --> 0:37:09.040
<v Speaker 1>that's a cosmic string, but then they look closer when

0:37:09.080 --> 0:37:11.680
<v Speaker 1>they discovered nope, it's just two similar galaxies. It's not

0:37:11.719 --> 0:37:14.880
<v Speaker 1>a reflection. It was just Bob's hair that fill in

0:37:14.920 --> 0:37:19.439
<v Speaker 1>the lens of our telescope. Yeah, And so these days

0:37:19.480 --> 0:37:21.759
<v Speaker 1>there's another way to look for cosmic strings that people

0:37:21.800 --> 0:37:24.160
<v Speaker 1>think is the most promising. What's that? And that also

0:37:24.200 --> 0:37:27.760
<v Speaker 1>has to do with their gravitational effects, because these cosmic strings,

0:37:27.800 --> 0:37:29.880
<v Speaker 1>we don't think they're just floating there. We think that

0:37:29.920 --> 0:37:32.760
<v Speaker 1>they are so much energy, they're like whipping and ripping

0:37:32.760 --> 0:37:37.600
<v Speaker 1>and crackling. No way, what Yeah, like you know, lightning

0:37:37.640 --> 0:37:43.680
<v Speaker 1>bolts um coming from fingertips in a marble movie. Right, yeah, Oh,

0:37:43.719 --> 0:37:49.280
<v Speaker 1>they're active, these strings, These boundaries can move, yeah, because

0:37:49.480 --> 0:37:52.960
<v Speaker 1>I guess the the field is shifting around it, and

0:37:53.000 --> 0:37:56.759
<v Speaker 1>so the boundaries is like fluid. Yeah. And also the

0:37:56.800 --> 0:38:00.439
<v Speaker 1>strings can get twisted and if they cross over each other,

0:38:00.600 --> 0:38:03.319
<v Speaker 1>they can break, and then you get ends, and those

0:38:03.440 --> 0:38:07.240
<v Speaker 1>ends can like whip around like crazy. It's it's pretty nuts.

0:38:07.400 --> 0:38:11.399
<v Speaker 1>Can they form loops and knots? They can form loops absolutely. Yeah.

0:38:11.680 --> 0:38:14.400
<v Speaker 1>Can you make a cosmic knot? I cannot make a

0:38:14.440 --> 0:38:17.520
<v Speaker 1>cosmic knot, but the universe might be capable. If you

0:38:17.560 --> 0:38:20.000
<v Speaker 1>get one of these crazy strings in a in a

0:38:20.080 --> 0:38:23.239
<v Speaker 1>strange shape, then its movement can get generated a lot

0:38:23.280 --> 0:38:28.800
<v Speaker 1>of gravitational waves. And we now have gravitational wave detectors

0:38:28.840 --> 0:38:31.920
<v Speaker 1>like Ligo that saw when two black holes aid each other,

0:38:32.080 --> 0:38:35.400
<v Speaker 1>or when two neutron stars collided. They create these ripples

0:38:35.440 --> 0:38:38.000
<v Speaker 1>in space itself, and we can see that now. Wow,

0:38:38.120 --> 0:38:41.799
<v Speaker 1>it's like a picturing like a snake trashing in a

0:38:41.880 --> 0:38:45.160
<v Speaker 1>puddle of water, Like it's moving and it's generating ripples

0:38:45.160 --> 0:38:48.160
<v Speaker 1>that we might be able to see precisely, but we

0:38:48.200 --> 0:38:50.399
<v Speaker 1>don't know how fast they move, and so they could

0:38:50.400 --> 0:38:53.960
<v Speaker 1>be like zipping around really fast, generating enormous signals of

0:38:54.040 --> 0:38:57.120
<v Speaker 1>gravitational waves that we could detect. Or it could be

0:38:57.160 --> 0:39:01.280
<v Speaker 1>like a cosmic time scale thing where they're like decades

0:39:01.400 --> 0:39:03.839
<v Speaker 1>long signals. These ripples, you have to like take data

0:39:03.880 --> 0:39:06.160
<v Speaker 1>for a hundred years before you see the up and

0:39:06.239 --> 0:39:08.879
<v Speaker 1>the down, So we don't quite know what to look for.

0:39:09.280 --> 0:39:12.840
<v Speaker 1>They could be not whipping around, but maybe just whipping

0:39:13.040 --> 0:39:20.480
<v Speaker 1>around precisely, precisely, And so people are using gravitational wave

0:39:20.560 --> 0:39:23.320
<v Speaker 1>detectors here on Earth. Do you have these long hauls

0:39:23.400 --> 0:39:26.880
<v Speaker 1>filled with vacuum and lasers to measure space really precisely

0:39:26.920 --> 0:39:29.200
<v Speaker 1>to see if these little ripples, And then people also

0:39:29.239 --> 0:39:33.880
<v Speaker 1>trying to use the entire galaxy as a gravitational wave detector. Yeah,

0:39:33.920 --> 0:39:35.840
<v Speaker 1>why not? Well, I mean, I got other things to

0:39:35.920 --> 0:39:39.080
<v Speaker 1>use the galaxy war but if it's there, if it's there,

0:39:39.239 --> 0:39:44.600
<v Speaker 1>might as well use it to find cosmic blacks whole strings?

0:39:44.640 --> 0:39:47.719
<v Speaker 1>Why not? Yeah? And I love this idea because, um,

0:39:47.760 --> 0:39:49.920
<v Speaker 1>it just sort of takes what's already out there and

0:39:50.000 --> 0:39:52.120
<v Speaker 1>tries to use it to do science. Like you could

0:39:52.160 --> 0:39:56.120
<v Speaker 1>never build a galaxy size physics experiment, but hey, just

0:39:56.239 --> 0:39:58.600
<v Speaker 1>take the galaxy and turn it into an experiment. I

0:39:58.640 --> 0:40:01.080
<v Speaker 1>love this idea. And so what's the idea here that

0:40:01.120 --> 0:40:04.480
<v Speaker 1>the string might as it's moving around, kind of affect

0:40:04.480 --> 0:40:06.560
<v Speaker 1>the things around it. The idea is just to build

0:40:06.560 --> 0:40:09.920
<v Speaker 1>a bigger detector, Like the larger your gravitational wave detector

0:40:10.080 --> 0:40:14.000
<v Speaker 1>is the smaller wiggle you can see. It's easier to

0:40:14.000 --> 0:40:17.440
<v Speaker 1>see in a larger detector because it's uh, it's just more.

0:40:17.480 --> 0:40:19.920
<v Speaker 1>You have more sensitivity too, because it's over more space.

0:40:20.640 --> 0:40:22.399
<v Speaker 1>And so the idea is to build one the size

0:40:22.400 --> 0:40:24.840
<v Speaker 1>of the galaxy. You know, you can't build your own detector,

0:40:25.120 --> 0:40:26.919
<v Speaker 1>but there are things out there that you can use

0:40:27.080 --> 0:40:29.399
<v Speaker 1>as a detector. And the thing that we can use

0:40:29.520 --> 0:40:32.719
<v Speaker 1>are these stars called pulsars. These are stars that are

0:40:32.760 --> 0:40:36.080
<v Speaker 1>emitting light in a regular pattern like when they were

0:40:36.120 --> 0:40:39.600
<v Speaker 1>first discover They you see these these regular beaps from space.

0:40:40.239 --> 0:40:42.480
<v Speaker 1>And so if the space between us and some of

0:40:42.480 --> 0:40:46.239
<v Speaker 1>these pulsars gets wrinkled and a little bit or ripples happen,

0:40:46.520 --> 0:40:49.640
<v Speaker 1>then it changes how the pulsing of these pulsars. And

0:40:49.680 --> 0:40:51.759
<v Speaker 1>so the idea is to use all of these sort

0:40:51.760 --> 0:40:55.040
<v Speaker 1>of measure the smoothness of space. Oh, I see, but

0:40:55.080 --> 0:40:59.520
<v Speaker 1>that's only if these strings are moving fast enough for

0:40:59.640 --> 0:41:03.439
<v Speaker 1>us to sort of noticed them or notice the difference. Yeah.

0:41:03.560 --> 0:41:05.960
<v Speaker 1>If if they take a hundred years to send a signal,

0:41:06.320 --> 0:41:08.360
<v Speaker 1>then our grand students are going to be really old

0:41:08.400 --> 0:41:14.520
<v Speaker 1>before they get their PAGs. You don't sound that surprised, Daniel,

0:41:14.560 --> 0:41:16.640
<v Speaker 1>like it's a big deal. You're like, I might take

0:41:16.680 --> 0:41:20.520
<v Speaker 1>a five years or hundred years. I can't. Hey, it's research.

0:41:20.600 --> 0:41:22.720
<v Speaker 1>I can't predict, right, That's what I always tell my students.

0:41:22.719 --> 0:41:24.920
<v Speaker 1>You never know. You're the first person to ever do this.

0:41:25.040 --> 0:41:27.640
<v Speaker 1>So you told them that you could be wrong. I

0:41:27.680 --> 0:41:31.120
<v Speaker 1>tell him, We've never published a paper knowingly wrong yet,

0:41:31.480 --> 0:41:35.680
<v Speaker 1>so don't be the first. So many caveats in that statement, Daniels,

0:41:35.800 --> 0:41:39.480
<v Speaker 1>So many caveats. I had that vetted by my legal department.

0:41:41.880 --> 0:41:43.960
<v Speaker 1>All right, So I guess that answers a question. What

0:41:44.200 --> 0:41:47.360
<v Speaker 1>is a cosmic string. It's a It's like an imperfection

0:41:47.719 --> 0:41:50.480
<v Speaker 1>in this in the fabric of the universe itself. It's

0:41:50.480 --> 0:41:53.799
<v Speaker 1>like a wrinkle caused by the stretching of it and

0:41:53.840 --> 0:41:56.919
<v Speaker 1>the weird cooling of the hicks Field. I can't believe

0:41:56.920 --> 0:41:59.200
<v Speaker 1>I just said that in one sentence. Yeah, and you

0:41:59.239 --> 0:42:01.520
<v Speaker 1>know these quad and fields are not just an idea,

0:42:01.560 --> 0:42:05.040
<v Speaker 1>they're real. They're out there. And as the universe cooled

0:42:05.080 --> 0:42:09.120
<v Speaker 1>from the like hot nasty quantum fields, too cold crystallized

0:42:09.160 --> 0:42:12.040
<v Speaker 1>quantum fields that we have today, then how that cooling

0:42:12.080 --> 0:42:14.720
<v Speaker 1>happened could have affected the way the universe is formed.

0:42:14.800 --> 0:42:16.520
<v Speaker 1>And it's cool to think that what we might do

0:42:16.560 --> 0:42:20.000
<v Speaker 1>with this knowledge, right, Like, if we know that space

0:42:20.120 --> 0:42:23.680
<v Speaker 1>can wrinkle and crack like this, who knows what we

0:42:23.719 --> 0:42:26.879
<v Speaker 1>could do with space? Possibly? Can we faul space? Can

0:42:26.920 --> 0:42:30.959
<v Speaker 1>we make space origami? The one thing we can never

0:42:31.040 --> 0:42:35.080
<v Speaker 1>do is get the Nobel Prize for Tom Kimble. Oh

0:42:35.239 --> 0:42:38.840
<v Speaker 1>did he pass away? He passed away? So he missed

0:42:38.840 --> 0:42:41.600
<v Speaker 1>the Nobel Prize for the Higgs boson. And if he

0:42:41.680 --> 0:42:45.160
<v Speaker 1>was right about cosmic strings, he missed that one also, Right,

0:42:45.200 --> 0:42:47.400
<v Speaker 1>But you can still get in on the party by

0:42:47.440 --> 0:42:49.719
<v Speaker 1>maybe being the president of the food discovers it? Right,

0:42:50.000 --> 0:42:53.320
<v Speaker 1>that's right, and maybe time people will get another kind

0:42:53.520 --> 0:42:56.880
<v Speaker 1>mentioned in the Nobel Prize acceptance speech, which is almost

0:42:56.920 --> 0:42:59.920
<v Speaker 1>like a run rough prize. Right. Well, I guess the

0:43:00.120 --> 0:43:02.839
<v Speaker 1>idea is that maybe someone listening to this out there

0:43:02.920 --> 0:43:04.920
<v Speaker 1>might be the person who discovers it. Might be you

0:43:05.840 --> 0:43:08.000
<v Speaker 1>might be me. Might be someone listening to this who

0:43:08.040 --> 0:43:13.680
<v Speaker 1>discovers these wrinkles in reality that's right, or something even crazier.

0:43:13.960 --> 0:43:16.200
<v Speaker 1>The next time you hear a theorist talk about some

0:43:16.400 --> 0:43:19.640
<v Speaker 1>totally bonkers notion about the way the universe or space

0:43:19.760 --> 0:43:23.120
<v Speaker 1>might work, then remember there are crazier ideas out there

0:43:23.239 --> 0:43:27.560
<v Speaker 1>that are actually real. That's right. They could still be crazy,

0:43:27.560 --> 0:43:31.200
<v Speaker 1>but they might also be right. You never know, m

0:43:31.960 --> 0:43:34.000
<v Speaker 1>that's the wrinkle on your reason. Thank you very much,

0:43:34.000 --> 0:43:37.240
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