Speaker 1: What's that at the bed. Hey, I'm really sure it's dead.
Speaker 1: It's coming this way.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, I said byrons.
Speaker 1: Hey boo, it's me Ros dress for less. I hope
Speaker 1: you are having a wonderful day to day as good
Speaker 1: as possible. I mean, I don't know if you sold
Speaker 1: this headline, but there are some people that are stuck
Speaker 1: in a haunted castle.
Speaker 3: This is well.
Speaker 1: This article was on all different kinds of media outlets,
Speaker 1: but here's one from Variety dot com. It says Bolivian
Speaker 1: orchestra stranded in a haunted German castle surrounded by wait
Speaker 1: for it, wolves during the pandemic. I feel terrible for
Speaker 1: these people. So this Bolivian pan flute orchestra with filled
Speaker 1: with young people, I believe I read in one of
Speaker 1: these articles that think they're about twenty of them, and
Speaker 1: they were supposed to do a concert in Germany, but
Speaker 1: then Germany shut down, they were put on lockdown, and
Speaker 1: then Bolivia, where they're from, they weren't able to go back.
Speaker 1: So they've been I mean, this was posted on the
Speaker 1: twenty fourth and it says for the past seventy three
Speaker 1: days they have been in this giant castle. But it
Speaker 1: is believed that it might be haunted by Frederick the Great,
Speaker 1: who is somebody that I actually I looked up and honey,
Speaker 1: Frederick is serving some tight curls on the side. Frederick's
Speaker 1: got some iconic hair. But there's a quote from this article. Well,
Speaker 1: it says the ancient estate was home to German royalty
Speaker 1: dating back to the fifteen hundreds, including Frederick the Great,
Speaker 1: who the group jokes is haunting the castle halls. We
Speaker 1: all joke that Frederick's ghost is following us and trying
Speaker 1: to trip us up. I don't usually believe in such things,
Speaker 1: but it does feel as if there are ghosts on
Speaker 1: the grounds, says Kahmed mar Tayla, a twenty year old
Speaker 1: member of the orchestra. So you know, if they don't
Speaker 1: want to deal with the ghosts inside, there are twenty
Speaker 1: three packs of wolves surrounding the place. So I'm going
Speaker 1: to keep them in my heart and sending them lots
Speaker 1: of love, and I hope that it's not too spooky
Speaker 1: for them. That sounds it's like a movie, first of all,
Speaker 1: and it also sounds like do you remember that show
Speaker 1: the Real World? It's like, this is the true story
Speaker 1: of twenty pan flute musicians picked to live, well, not
Speaker 1: really picked, stranded to live in a haunted castle to
Speaker 1: find out what happens when people stop being polite and
Speaker 1: start getting ghosted. So I would watch that show, but
Speaker 1: you know what else, you should watch some fantastic horror
Speaker 1: movies by one of our guests today. We actually have
Speaker 1: two guests today and these are the last two interviews
Speaker 1: that actually did in studio back in beautiful Los Angeles, California,
Speaker 1: in person, and we've gotten a little bit closer to
Speaker 1: some new projects that would be coming out from our
Speaker 1: first guest, who is a great horror director. His name
Speaker 1: is Adam Roubatel, and you know his work like The
Speaker 1: Taking of Deborah Logan. He has a film called Escape
Speaker 1: Room and he's working on the sequel. He did Insidious,
Speaker 1: the Last Keys, just some great films that I love,
Speaker 1: so I'm excited to talk to him. He's got really
Speaker 1: interesting insight on the paranormal. So let's listen to that
Speaker 1: first interview. Here is Adam Rubatel on with the show.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Adam, thank you so much for making
Speaker 1: time you because you've been busy in post production. You're
Speaker 1: working on the second Escape Room, right, Well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're knee deep in post on escape room too.
Speaker 2: It seems like the world is collapsing into a world
Speaker 2: war ze zombie pandemic with the coronavirus sweeping the world.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's scary times.
Speaker 1: It's honestly locked it. I'm sorry what I was.
Speaker 2: Just some glad I'm locked in a post production cave
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 1: So but you yourself, you've never experienced a paranormal.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean I was raised on a lot of ghost stories.
Speaker 2: My grandmother was a very smart, progressive person. I mean,
Speaker 2: she was raised Catholic, but she wasn't superstitious at all.
Speaker 2: And she's the smartest person I've ever met, really, And
Speaker 2: she lived in the middle of the lake in New Hampshire,
Speaker 2: and she saw ghosts quite a bit. And you know,
Speaker 2: I would say, oh, okay, that's my grandmother being weird.
Speaker 2: But like one of the famous stories is my cousin John.
Speaker 2: She lived in She lives in a lake and it's
Speaker 2: very seasonal, so she was the only one who lived
Speaker 2: there year round. And my cousin John, who was like
Speaker 2: a vice president of melancorre very buttoned down business guy.
Speaker 2: You know, he was up there raking leaves one day
Speaker 2: and he saw a guy sitting in her neighbor's window
Speaker 2: in the front porch, and he went into the house
Speaker 2: and he was all freaked out. He said, dded, you know,
Speaker 2: there's there's a guy sitting in you know, her house
Speaker 2: is boarded up, it's it's the winter, Like, who is he?
Speaker 2: She said, calm down, down, and she went over to
Speaker 2: a drawer and gave him this little card and there
Speaker 2: was a picture of the guy on the card.
Speaker 3: She said, is that him?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's the guy sitting in the window. She said,
Speaker 2: turn the card over and there was a memorial card
Speaker 2: for his funeral. She said, Oh, that's still he just
Speaker 2: sits in that window. It's his favorite seat. And so
Speaker 2: she had a lot of those kinds of events and
Speaker 2: that were corroborated by other family people, you know, people
Speaker 2: that don't necessarily believe in the stories that we all
Speaker 2: know and love, and so stuff like that that happened.
Speaker 2: And you know, she she had a she had a
Speaker 2: Zaria board, which is sort of like a Ouiji board
Speaker 2: on steroids that she and my father and you know,
Speaker 2: their friends would play in the heart of winter, you know,
Speaker 2: and and they would go up to this house in
Speaker 2: the middle of the woods, and this board would be
Speaker 2: sort of they would obsess about playing it sort of
Speaker 2: like a drug and would call to them, and it
Speaker 2: started the entity and the board started to materialize itself physically.
Speaker 2: One day, in a room full of people, they said,
Speaker 2: where's Sheiba. Shiba was a call dog that my grandmother
Speaker 2: had just passed, and it said the plan chet spelled out,
Speaker 2: look to the fire and all the logs and the
Speaker 2: and the fireplace fell into the perfect shape of a colliague.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it knew things about like my my grandfather,
Speaker 2: who on my mother's side was very cynical and you know,
Speaker 2: had been through World War two and it didn't believe
Speaker 2: any of it, thought it was just all bullshit. And
Speaker 2: he said, you know, asked that thing what my war
Speaker 2: Boddy's name was, you know, and it's because only he
Speaker 2: knew the answer, and it spelled out p h I
Speaker 2: s H fish. He went white and then never stepped
Speaker 2: foot in my grandmother's house again because it had this
Speaker 2: preternatural knowledge. So, you know, in the end, it was
Speaker 2: like seven years of just this crazy build up of
Speaker 2: this level and energy, and by the end my grandmother
Speaker 2: actually called Ed Warren. He was on a he was
Speaker 2: on a TV program, I Forget in the seventies talk show,
Speaker 2: and she called in and they warned her about it.
Speaker 2: And then the church, the local Catholic church, came and
Speaker 2: sent a woman to bless the house and tongues and
Speaker 2: burn the board and took hours for this little piece
Speaker 2: of wood to burn. So so yeah, those are the
Speaker 2: kind of stories I was raised on, and my grandmother
Speaker 2: would scare the shit out of me and my friends,
Speaker 2: and you know, so I saw the power of u
Speaker 2: of that as a as a as a storytelling medium,
Speaker 2: and I was always excited, excited to I mean, I
Speaker 2: have studied parasychology, I've you know, I've done all the
Speaker 2: kind of stuff you do as a kid trying to
Speaker 2: scare yourself. But I haven't had a personal experience with
Speaker 2: a ghost, like she's passed away now, and I've I
Speaker 2: wish she would visit me, you know, I'm waiting for
Speaker 2: that that weird lucid dream where she's in the room
Speaker 2: or something, but she just hasn't. Maybe she's too.
Speaker 1: Busy, you know, would you go ghost hunting?
Speaker 2: I I did the Coronado thing where we went to
Speaker 2: that famous haunted hotel room in the Hotel Coronado the
Speaker 2: night and we're looking for you know, cold spots and
Speaker 2: vortex and stuff.
Speaker 1: But yeah, there's a woman that you what, there's a
Speaker 1: woman that haunts it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've done that. We've done the cornetto, We've done
Speaker 2: the Queen Mary, you know, the obligatory Queen Mary trip.
Speaker 1: Do you think that Queen Mary is still haunted? Because
Speaker 1: I've been there and I don't. I didn't see any ghosts.
Speaker 2: Well, look, I mean, you know, I Disney owns it now, right,
Speaker 2: so it's like it's become like a theme park. But look,
Speaker 2: I believe I definitely believe that. I was talking to
Speaker 2: actually funny enough of an exact film exactly yesterday because
Speaker 2: he thinks his house is haunted, and I haven't. I
Speaker 2: believe that the brain, like I believe that a horrific
Speaker 2: accident or murder, maybe it leaves an imprint in the
Speaker 2: environment like a stray radio wave, and then maybe you
Speaker 2: or I, who might be receptive to this this signal,
Speaker 2: are going to see that and experience it. What I
Speaker 2: have a hard time believing this is just personally, I
Speaker 2: don't you know, is that our soul maintain some cohesion
Speaker 2: after death, like I would love to see my grandmother
Speaker 2: and some you know, housey and field of wheat. But
Speaker 2: I don't know. I have a hard time believing that.
Speaker 2: But I do believe that the brain maybe perceives sayings,
Speaker 2: whether it's acts of violence or you know. I mean
Speaker 2: I studied jb Ryan, who is like sort of like
Speaker 2: what Alfred Kinsey was to sex study, he is to parapsychology.
Speaker 2: And there's this thing called a crisis apparition, which is
Speaker 2: like a young wife wakes up and she sees her
Speaker 2: husband standing over the end of her bed, shivering, and
Speaker 2: then she calls the army brig and sure enough he
Speaker 2: has pneumonia. So we you know, telepathy, and there's things
Speaker 2: that we don't understand about what the brain can do.
Speaker 2: So that I buy into, you know, I have another
Speaker 2: famous case, remember hearing a couple like in the south
Speaker 2: of London. They moved into a flat and they saw
Speaker 2: they kept seeing this lady at night like vacuuming in
Speaker 2: their house and they were like really freaked out and
Speaker 2: they wanted to move.
Speaker 3: And research it's something good. What's that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, at least she was vacuuming, right, and not eating
Speaker 2: their food. But like they did some research and she
Speaker 2: the woman was in a coma forty miles away and
Speaker 2: she she was projecting her consciousness into this house, like
Speaker 2: astro projection out of like insidious on some level. So
Speaker 2: there's a lot we don't know, you know, And.
Speaker 1: Uh, what do you think about possession?
Speaker 2: What do I think about what?
Speaker 1: I'm sorry possession because I love your film taking of
Speaker 1: Deborah Logan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the older Look, you know, when I
Speaker 2: was bad as a kid, my mother would write on
Speaker 2: soap on the mirror and say, like you're getting closer
Speaker 2: to me every day, and like we pretend she was
Speaker 2: the devil. And I have a heart, you know. I mean, look,
Speaker 2: I think humanity. The older I get, the more I'm
Speaker 2: just I despise humanity, frankly. And I think that the
Speaker 2: idea of some ancient, you know, demonic, non corporeal entity possessing,
Speaker 2: I think is a bit silly personally. Do I love
Speaker 2: possession stories? And do I hear do I read about
Speaker 2: a father who's killed his kids and mother and wife
Speaker 2: and want to believe that some ancient deity made him
Speaker 2: do those things? Yeah, but I have a hard time
Speaker 2: believing that some bronze aged fiction that we've created. I'm
Speaker 2: sort of like a recovering Catholic at this point in
Speaker 2: my life, and not atheist, but an agnostic, and so demonology.
Speaker 2: I love the mythology. I'm writing a movie right now
Speaker 2: that sort of deals with it, but I don't know
Speaker 2: that I believe it myself personally.
Speaker 1: That's what I've been struggling with. I've talked about this
Speaker 1: almost every episode lately. I've been thinking so much about
Speaker 1: how I grew up Catholic and so much fear of demons,
Speaker 1: and now I'm not really sure how I feel about that.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, the devil didn't really exist if you
Speaker 2: look through the Bible. It was like a really recent
Speaker 2: sort of development, and it really the idea of Lucifer
Speaker 2: the Light Bearer. He was, you know, he's a fallen angel.
Speaker 2: And then you know, really it didn't until the until
Speaker 2: the like the Middle Ages, where they started to create
Speaker 2: this sort of pagan idea of the devil. And but
Speaker 2: if you look historically, I mean, you know, it's it's
Speaker 2: and again it's like you go further back, I mean
Speaker 2: Zerasterism and all these older religions, the Canaanites, Like, you know,
Speaker 2: the Canaanites used to, uh do these child sacrifices molk
Speaker 2: and they had this massive oven where they would throw
Speaker 2: their you know, newborns into the fire, you know. And
Speaker 2: so so the Bible is just only one of many
Speaker 2: sources of demonology, you know, throughout history. But but again
Speaker 2: it's like, I'm more afraid of you know, John Wayne Gacy,
Speaker 2: uh than I am of Kazuzu.
Speaker 1: Like you know, what about like curses because in so
Speaker 1: many well not so many, but there's a handful of
Speaker 1: paranormal movies that have alleged curses around them. What do
Speaker 1: you think about that? Like the oh Man the Extra,
Speaker 1: says Poulter, Guys.
Speaker 2: You know, I think bad things happen to good people,
Speaker 2: and it certainly seems more I don't I don't mean to,
Speaker 2: you know, to say there's no magic in the world.
Speaker 2: But you know, I think we're so hardwired as as
Speaker 2: a species to look for patterns, right, so you know,
Speaker 2: thunder eagles, lightning, a gral eagles, lion, and so I
Speaker 2: think we look for patterns where they might not exist necessarily.
Speaker 2: I like, so, I don't know, I do think that
Speaker 2: there is a thing called karma, and you know, something's
Speaker 2: come back to haunt you do. I think the little
Speaker 2: girl from the Poltergeist movie was cursed. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: I think that's more us.
Speaker 3: Loving horror and loving the genre.
Speaker 2: And then looking for it to try to make sense
Speaker 2: out of something that seems kind of unsensible. And you know,
Speaker 2: but but I don't know, I mean I don't know.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, because it was it was Poulter guy and
Speaker 2: what was the other or the other curse movies?
Speaker 1: There's the omen the omen Yeah, the omens scary what
Speaker 1: I was reading about it? Apparently there were uh two
Speaker 1: or three plane crashes, two of them were struck by
Speaker 1: lightning while uh while people involved in the film were
Speaker 1: going to the set to work on it. Wow, Well,
Speaker 1: we do this fun thing on the show.
Speaker 3: Called EVP.
Speaker 1: Or ev Please do you want to hear some ghost voices?
Speaker 3: Sure, Okay, here's.
Speaker 1: What we do. I go to the Internet and I
Speaker 1: find EVPs. You know about.
Speaker 3: EVPs, right, sure, yeah.
Speaker 1: Electronic voice phenomenon. So I'll find an EVP from YouTube,
Speaker 1: and then I want you to guess what the ghost
Speaker 1: hunter believes these voices are saying. This first one comes
Speaker 1: from someone on YouTube named Todd Sheldon, and it's at
Speaker 1: the Tenny Gatehouse, which is in matthew In Massachusetts. Matthew
Speaker 1: matthew In. Yeahs Methuen, Matheuen, I like matthew in. Okay,
Speaker 1: tell me what you think they think this ghost is saying,
Speaker 1: or what you think it's saying. Could you hear it?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's so garbily.
Speaker 1: I know they usually are. Let's be honest. It's sort
Speaker 1: of like a It sounds like a female talking very lightly.
Speaker 1: I'll play it again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't really make out much. It sounds like
Speaker 2: Charlie Brown's teacher, sort.
Speaker 3: Of wah is it?
Speaker 1: Well? You know which? Maybe she's the ghost of that schoolhouse.
Speaker 1: Now I want to see there's your next movie? Okay,
Speaker 1: here is it a Oh my god, that kind of
Speaker 1: tickles b I'm a long faced ghost. See, I don't
Speaker 1: want to play go away or d I saw the omen.
Speaker 2: I'll go for the tickle.
Speaker 1: Now it's I'm a long faced ghost. Wait, but now
Speaker 1: that you hear the now that you know that, listen again,
Speaker 1: do you hear it?
Speaker 2: I'm a long faced ghost. I'm basically the basically the screen.
Speaker 1: Mask exact ghost face. Yeah, okay, let's try another one.
Speaker 1: This one comes from a listener. This is from Annie
Speaker 1: and she wrote this is from I believe last week.
Speaker 1: She said, This past weekend, we attended a ghost hunting
Speaker 1: event hosted by the group from the ghost Hunter's TV
Speaker 1: show at the Glenn Tavern Inn in Santa Paula. While
Speaker 1: in one of the most haunted rooms, I picked up
Speaker 1: this EVP. We were using various pieces of equipment. One
Speaker 1: of the people at the event kept referring to them
Speaker 1: as toys, saying, you can play with this toy, wrap
Speaker 1: your hands around it, and at the ten second mark
Speaker 1: you could hear a voice whisper this. It's real quiet.
Speaker 1: It's like a real creepy whisper.
Speaker 4: An go.
Speaker 3: Just once.
Speaker 2: I want one of these ghosts to really articulate what
Speaker 2: they're trying to communicate.
Speaker 1: Seriously, I'll give you some options. Is it a boys
Speaker 1: will be chiming in? B Always bring the toys in, cee,
Speaker 1: toys make me silly or d let the bodies at
Speaker 1: the floor.
Speaker 2: Always bring the toys in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, always bring the toys in.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's just creepy.
Speaker 1: It is creepy. What scares you, you know?
Speaker 2: I really. We're working on a TV project right now
Speaker 2: that I'm really excited about. Like the Taking of Deborah
Speaker 2: Logan used Alzheimer's disease as a metaphor for possession, and
Speaker 2: so I'm kind of in a the older I get
Speaker 2: and kind of like in my middle aged like hypochondriac
Speaker 2: phase is the more like health stuff and what the
Speaker 2: body can do, it can freak me out. And we're
Speaker 2: working on a show now that deals with addiction as
Speaker 2: sort of a metaphor for possession.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I've had I've had friends, you know, and and loved
Speaker 2: ones who are struggling with like the possession of addiction, and.
Speaker 1: Well people demons when they're talking about your addictions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and and so that so I I
Speaker 2: like to really take real world stuff that's freaky and
Speaker 2: then turn it on its head, you know. And when
Speaker 2: I'm in a you know, it's hard when you live
Speaker 2: in a townhouse in Santa Monica to be thinking about ghosts.
Speaker 2: But when you're in an older environment and you can
Speaker 2: feel the history, That's why, like I love going to
Speaker 2: Europe and you know, or from in the woods somewhere,
Speaker 2: it's just you more in touch with that kind of stuff. Uh.
Speaker 2: And you know, I've done so much research over the
Speaker 2: years for my various projects. I mean, there's a I
Speaker 2: was telling a friend yesterday, like, you know, the national
Speaker 2: parks like Yellowstone and stuff, there's a worldwide phenomenon where
Speaker 2: people just vanish to just go missing, you know. And
Speaker 2: there's hundreds of hundreds of these cases across the national
Speaker 2: parks where people are out on a hike and they
Speaker 2: turn around and their wife or daughter is just gone
Speaker 2: and there's no accounting for them. So that's kind of freaky. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So it takes a lot to scare me. You know.
Speaker 2: I can't think of the last movie that genuinely freaked
Speaker 2: me out where I was like on the edge of
Speaker 2: my seat. But I also know how the sausage is
Speaker 2: made as a filmmaker, so I'm often thinking like, oh,
Speaker 2: that was a crane shot or you know. So it's
Speaker 2: hard to really genuinely get scared now. It's more like
Speaker 2: a bit of a shock kind of thing.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry that's a long winded answer.
Speaker 1: No, No, totally, I'm so curious about that. Well, let
Speaker 1: me before I let you go, can I read you
Speaker 1: a ghost story real quick?
Speaker 2: Sure?
Speaker 1: Okay, let's see if this will scare you. This comes
Speaker 1: from a listener of our show. This comes from j
Speaker 1: L and he says, Hi, roz chiw listen. My partner
Speaker 1: and I have been living in our newly built home
Speaker 1: for almost year. Nothing has been going on until recently.
Speaker 1: This past holiday season, I bought my friend a home
Speaker 1: security camera that I took advantage of buying during Black
Speaker 1: Friday season. Ever since he installed those cameras, girls, some
Speaker 1: shit has been going down in his home. I feel
Speaker 1: as if something may have attached to me when I
Speaker 1: visited his home, or either the land I'm staying on
Speaker 1: is haunted. Anyways, one morning, I was laying in bed.
Speaker 1: My boyfriend usually leaves for work at three point thirty.
Speaker 1: I briefly remember him leaving as yeah, oh my god,
Speaker 1: three thirty, that's so early. Also haunted time. I briefly
Speaker 1: exactly what is his boyfriend? A witch? I briefly remembered
Speaker 1: him leaving as he always kisses goodbye. Sometimes I see
Speaker 1: him out to his car. But this usual morning, I
Speaker 1: was too tired and decided to stay in bed. The
Speaker 1: bedroom door is always cracked so the kitchen light can
Speaker 1: illuminate the bedroom as soon as I open my eyes,
Speaker 1: a white figure with an arm extended stepped halfway into
Speaker 1: the doorway to push open the door, turned around before
Speaker 1: walking back into the kitchen. Bitch, listen. I laid there
Speaker 1: thinking what the fuck just happened. I checked my phone
Speaker 1: and realized it was ten minutes before four AM. My
Speaker 1: boyfriend usually texts me a little after four that he
Speaker 1: has arrived at work. I immediately texted him and asked
Speaker 1: him if he opened the door to let our fur
Speaker 1: babies into the bedroom. I knew this figure couldn't be
Speaker 1: him because it was all white and he wears a
Speaker 1: company uniform. He responded, denying it was him. I was
Speaker 1: left gagging. Now, mind you, before this experience happened, I
Speaker 1: usually stay up later than my boyfriend due to my
Speaker 1: work schedule. As I was laying on the couch watching
Speaker 1: my show one night, my pooch started growling at the
Speaker 1: hallway leading to the guest rooms and the guest bath.
Speaker 1: Nothing was there. She growled for a good minute. I
Speaker 1: already knew what time it was because I've seen too
Speaker 1: many horror movies just recently. A few weeks ago, I
Speaker 1: was at work and my boyfriend was home. He texted
Speaker 1: me a bit before midnight saying he believes the shadow
Speaker 1: revealed itself. I came home and asked him about it,
Speaker 1: and he said he was awoken by my dog growling
Speaker 1: at the foot of the bed. Why do a lot
Speaker 1: of this spooky shit happen at the foot of the bed. Anyway,
Speaker 1: he saw a figure for a good minute. It wasn't
Speaker 1: a full figure. He saw what appears to be letters
Speaker 1: he could barely make out in the torso area, and
Speaker 1: the rest of the figure was like TV static. Once
Speaker 1: this figure disappeared, my dog stopped growling. Girl, I've been
Speaker 1: burning sage like hell and still no luck. Those had
Speaker 1: been my first experiences in my new home. I always
Speaker 1: said I would move out if I ever lived in
Speaker 1: a haunt house, But bitch, I am tied up in
Speaker 1: a mortgage and it is easier said than done. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: now I'm terrified for Jayl. I hope everything's so fakey.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I would be so fast out of there.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: See, but someone like you, would you use that, Like,
Speaker 1: if you were actually in that dilemma, would you be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is an opportunity to maybe get some material.
Speaker 2: You know my mom, My mom's had two strokes, and we,
Speaker 2: like my dad was watching her being our caregiver. So
Speaker 2: we just set off cameras and make sure she's hasn't
Speaker 2: fallen or something. And sometimes the camera's trip by themselves,
Speaker 2: like you know, and so like you're like, what's in
Speaker 2: the bedroom right now? Why did the camera just trip?
Speaker 2: Why did the detect motion? And but I guess what
Speaker 2: I'm getting at is I wouldn't have been freaked out
Speaker 2: if I didn't have the camera tripping, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. So I can't speak to this year. I
Speaker 2: can't speak to your listeners like full on apparition that
Speaker 2: they saw. I know that sleep paralysis can cause really
Speaker 2: crazy shit to happen, you know, and you can be
Speaker 2: you can be in a state of like lucid dreaming
Speaker 2: where you wake up and your body's still paralyzed and
Speaker 2: you can see some shit and that that's a very
Speaker 2: real medical condition. But you know, look, I mean, if
Speaker 2: I saw an apparition genuinely and sounds like this, this
Speaker 2: this listener really really believes what they saw, I would
Speaker 2: do research, you know what I mean. I would get
Speaker 2: right in there and see if anybody died in the house.
Speaker 2: I would, you know, howls the house. I mean, and
Speaker 2: if there's if there's no there there, then there has
Speaker 2: to be some kind of rational explanation. Look, I I
Speaker 2: talked to Ed Warren on the phone, and I remember
Speaker 2: distinctly he was talking about shadow ghosts and he was like,
Speaker 2: ghosts can kill you, they can maim you. And I
Speaker 2: was like, I don't. I don't know if I believe
Speaker 2: what he believes, but I know he believes what he believes.
Speaker 2: And that was freaky because he was so convinced what
Speaker 2: he was talking about, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean though the Warrens were very faith based, Yeah, so,
Speaker 1: I mean they were very in I mean, he was
Speaker 1: a demonologist.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, And look, I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: and it all comes down to this cognitive dissonance. We're
Speaker 2: all gonna die one day, and you know, if there's dark,
Speaker 2: there's light, right and so and that's kind of the
Speaker 2: hope of it all. And I think horror gives us
Speaker 2: the catharsist to kind of look at some of this
Speaker 2: stuff that we all the taboo and the stuff that
Speaker 2: we don't want to talk about, and put it into story.
Speaker 2: In story form, and you know, the oldest story is
Speaker 2: really a ghost story if you look at Christ and
Speaker 2: you know the cave paintings in the lasso or horror image.
Speaker 2: So so yeah, it's part of our DNA, I think.
Speaker 2: And like I said at the beginning of the interview,
Speaker 2: like a podcast, I want to believe. I'd love to
Speaker 2: see my grandmother. I'd love to get a little signed
Speaker 2: from her. So I'm open to it. I just you know,
Speaker 2: it hasn't happened yet, you know, So I will continue
Speaker 2: to make horror movies that exploit people's fears.
Speaker 3: In the interim while I'm waiting, have you been to
Speaker 3: a psychic.
Speaker 2: Way back? You know?
Speaker 3: Once?
Speaker 2: Yeah, this this gal Nancy Bradley up in the gold
Speaker 2: Rush area of California. And that was a weird trip
Speaker 2: because we had sold in my early twenties, we'd sold
Speaker 2: like an online. We're kind of ahead of ourselves. We're
Speaker 2: going to be like the Sightings for you know, the millennials.
Speaker 2: Although I wasn't a millennial. I'm much older now, so
Speaker 2: I don't know what we were baby boomers or whatever.
Speaker 2: But but we were going to conceive was We're going
Speaker 2: to go to haunted locations and yeah, this is this
Speaker 2: lady and Nancy Bradley, and she was pretty good, you know,
Speaker 2: she's pretty intuitive and stuff. But I've learned so much
Speaker 2: about the way that they do their thing. But it's funny.
Speaker 2: I just had a general meeting with an executive yesterday
Speaker 2: and he was he had talked about going to a
Speaker 2: psychic who blew him away and had very specific information
Speaker 2: that only he knew, and so he was a sworn
Speaker 2: believer after that.
Speaker 1: You know, Well, I've had both experiences. I mean, I
Speaker 1: definitely think that it's like the oldest trick in the book,
Speaker 1: Like there's so many it's such an easy scam for
Speaker 1: many people. But I think that there are the view
Speaker 1: out there. I mean, I believe in a few that
Speaker 1: I've encountered that really have that gift.
Speaker 2: Yeah and yeah, and I mean I've certainly heard those
Speaker 2: famous cases where psychic can help law enforcement, you know,
Speaker 2: solve solve crimes. Yeah. So so again that goes back
Speaker 2: to just us not understanding.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Modern neuroscience can show you the part of the brain
Speaker 2: that a thought originates from, but they can't show you
Speaker 2: who had that thought, you know, And so that's the
Speaker 2: mystery and maybe eventually there will be an intersection where
Speaker 2: we understand bulls, but for now, they're just things that
Speaker 2: are unknowable, you know. And my little cousin, you know,
Speaker 2: got up in the middle of his birthday party and
Speaker 2: walked to the door and let his uncle.
Speaker 3: And he'd never met him.
Speaker 2: His uncle had died three days before, but he described
Speaker 2: it to a tee, the old man with the salty
Speaker 2: great beard and blue jacket. And my aunt was, you know,
Speaker 2: she's convinced that, you know her, her uncle showed up
Speaker 2: at the party. You know, wow, So.
Speaker 1: What didn't you call your grandmother's board that she used?
Speaker 1: Was that the kind of thing you could just like
Speaker 1: buy at a toy store or was this something that
Speaker 1: she had?
Speaker 2: Funny, it's it's funny you ask. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: they had a Wiji board for a while, and then
Speaker 2: one they were doing an addition on my grandmother's house
Speaker 2: and so it just went missing. And then, oh, what
Speaker 2: are we going to do? You know, it's over the weekend.
Speaker 2: It's knowing, you know. So she sent my dad out
Speaker 2: in a blizzard to find another Wija board, and then
Speaker 2: he came back. There was one talking board game on
Speaker 2: the shelf and it was this Zariyah board and there
Speaker 2: was one box left. So it's like very very specifically
Speaker 2: was like sort of calling him in a weird way.
Speaker 1: So she was really that kind of person that like
Speaker 1: needed it, like she used it all the time.
Speaker 2: I think it was more it's fun at first, but
Speaker 2: she described like over time it had a type of
Speaker 2: psychological hold on them. It called itself Cosmos was the
Speaker 2: k O S m O S was the was the
Speaker 2: name of the entity in the board, and it it
Speaker 2: it had these fucked up biblical things it wanted them
Speaker 2: to do. It's towards it got really nasty towards the
Speaker 2: end where it would say it had seven commands like
Speaker 2: smashed skulls, kill babies.
Speaker 3: It had like really.
Speaker 2: Scary things it wanted to do. And it's like when
Speaker 2: you think of all like your your grandmother playing a
Speaker 2: talking board game and then this this kind of stuff
Speaker 2: coming through was it was really scary, you know.
Speaker 1: Was it even when they weren't playing it were the
Speaker 1: things going down in the house.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a sense of an oppressive you know,
Speaker 2: if you if you listen to the Warrens and certain demonologists,
Speaker 2: they say there's four stages of possession, oppression. I forget
Speaker 2: the different stages oppression something something, And yeah, there was
Speaker 2: definitely a palpable sense of dread in the house. It
Speaker 2: drove a wedge between my father and my mother. It Uh,
Speaker 2: it would be angry when it when they would first
Speaker 2: play with it at the beginning of the weekend. You know,
Speaker 2: how dare you be away from me for so long?
Speaker 2: So it had a real consciousness to it. And that
Speaker 2: was the part that freaked me out the most, is
Speaker 2: it really had sort of like it's through the stories,
Speaker 2: had an intellect and uh, you know she said one time,
Speaker 2: you know, if you're so powerful, show yourself to us.
Speaker 2: And then in the middle of a blizzard, with like
Speaker 2: twenty people in the room, a black cat came up
Speaker 2: and scratched on the on the on the glass doors
Speaker 2: of her front deck and then ran off into the night.
Speaker 2: So stuff like that where you have multiple people telling
Speaker 2: you the same story. I have cousins who won't talk
Speaker 2: about quote that time, you know. So so I know
Speaker 2: it's not just my grandmother kind of making it up,
Speaker 2: you know, And there's enough corroborating witnesses.
Speaker 1: So but so she never actually met ed Warren, right,
Speaker 1: she she called him for like advice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just it was just a phone call.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I guess that's about Uh, that's about it.
Speaker 2: Cool.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being on up on Holy
Speaker 1: Holy Water and Durrell and exactly all of.
Speaker 2: Your listeners Survive the Corona.
Speaker 1: What what do you got going on? So We've got
Speaker 1: the sequel to Escape Group coming out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I've got a TV show that I'm
Speaker 2: working on with Darren Aronofski that I'm really excited about
Speaker 2: that uses uh uses the addiction as a metaphor for
Speaker 2: a monster, and it's at Netflix and hopefully they go
Speaker 2: for it. That we're writing the second episode right now.
Speaker 1: Amazing. I really look forward to that. Well, thank you
Speaker 1: so much for taking the time. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Adam. Now I'm excited to have my next
Speaker 1: guest on the show, who is a fabulous comedian that
Speaker 1: I have had the pleasure of working with in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: She has a great show called Picture This at the Virgil,
Speaker 1: which The Virgil is another one of my favorite places
Speaker 1: to perform in Los Angeles. If you're ever in LA.
Speaker 1: It's not it's a performance space, but a lot of
Speaker 1: people might know it because it's the club that Lady
Speaker 1: Gaga performed at in a Star is Born when she
Speaker 1: was kind of having her drag queen moment. I mean
Speaker 1: that was you know, they dressed it up. That's not
Speaker 1: really what it's not really a drag club, but that
Speaker 1: is that same venue. So that's always kind of cool
Speaker 1: when I'm like performing there to think about that taking
Speaker 1: place there. I love that place. And she has this
Speaker 1: really cool show that they actually have like professional animators
Speaker 1: that are drawing your jokes projected on a screen, and
Speaker 1: you should check it out. So hopefully Picture This will
Speaker 1: be back very soon. I cannot wait to see it,
Speaker 1: and hopefully we will all be performing live on stage
Speaker 1: soon enough. But until then, here is Brandy and I
Speaker 1: talking in person. Take it away, Brandy. Posey, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1: Brandy's in the house. Hey girl, Hey hey Brandy, how
Speaker 1: are you.
Speaker 4: I'm doing pretty good. It's great to be here.
Speaker 1: Thanks for doing this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: I I love to sit here in complete full drag
Speaker 1: and talk about ghosts with with comedians and all kinds
Speaker 1: of people and.
Speaker 4: Well, absolutely I love and I wore full makeup as well.
Speaker 4: This is a high. The highest compliment I can say
Speaker 4: is that I wore make up to a podcast tament.
Speaker 1: I am honored. Yeah, like, I think you should be.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. Thank you so much because I know how
Speaker 1: much work. Listen to it.
Speaker 4: Well, and it's it's fun, I like, because I'm in
Speaker 4: full makeup. We're sitting in front of a fire inside
Speaker 4: of a haunted house.
Speaker 1: Yes, and it's I just heard, I just heard my
Speaker 1: microphone just fell and things already happening exactly.
Speaker 4: It feels like we're in an Evan in Essence music
Speaker 4: video or something. Wake me up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, what do you think about ghosts?
Speaker 4: I think they're for any of those that are listening.
Speaker 4: I think they're great. Ghost are podcast fans, right, they
Speaker 4: have a lot of time, you.
Speaker 1: Know, I think about that a lot, like because I
Speaker 1: I sometimes I mean, I've said not the most flattering
Speaker 1: things about various ghosts and allegend demons and spirits. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I hope that I hope they don't listen. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: if they do, like, I hope they have a great
Speaker 1: sense of humor and that they give us five stars
Speaker 1: at Apple Park.
Speaker 4: That is like the one thing that's always kind of
Speaker 4: weird about like being like, oh and somebody dies, they're
Speaker 4: with you always. I'm like, did you not be with
Speaker 4: me always?
Speaker 2: Though?
Speaker 1: That's a psychic told me one time that they see everything.
Speaker 1: I know. It's kind of a cock block, right discuss.
Speaker 1: I don't want to think about my grandparents watching me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: sometimes like it's freaky deeky over here exactly.
Speaker 4: Well, you hope that they can just be like, you
Speaker 4: know what, I'm going to remove myself and go over here.
Speaker 1: We don't they have like a lot of family members, Like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just they bop it around every time. Just fall
Speaker 4: go to the grocery store with me and then push
Speaker 4: me away from the cookies. That's what I would like.
Speaker 4: There you go a ghost to do for me.
Speaker 1: But you know, a couple months ago this is true
Speaker 1: and serious. I was driving to do a gig in
Speaker 1: Palm Springs and I had this moment where all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, the car in front of me, we're all
Speaker 1: going seventy eighty ninety completely stalled or something, and I
Speaker 1: was slamming on the brakes and I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna there's no way I'm going to break in time.
Speaker 1: So I looked over my right no, I didn't have
Speaker 1: enough time to look over to the lane next to me.
Speaker 1: I just went for it. And I noticed as soon
Speaker 1: as I got over that the car that was going
Speaker 1: ninety or whatever in that lane just kind of went
Speaker 1: boop and went on the shoulder. And I'm like, I
Speaker 1: think I feel like a guardian angel or something.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 1: It was like, I'm just gonna push you over just
Speaker 1: a little bit.
Speaker 4: I have felt very I feel very protected by by
Speaker 4: people in my life. I I my my grandmother was
Speaker 4: my best friend growing up, and she died when I
Speaker 4: right when I graduated college when I was twenty one,
Speaker 4: and I have like definitely felt her with me since
Speaker 4: then as like a like a presence that I'm just like, Okay,
Speaker 4: I feel I feel safe because you're here. You got
Speaker 4: my back. Same, you know it definitely and you mixed.
Speaker 4: You sit up a little bit straighter.
Speaker 2: Yah.
Speaker 4: Nice? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Do you so?
Speaker 1: Have you encountered a ghost?
Speaker 4: I haven't yet, but in my family, basically all the
Speaker 4: women in my family right before they pass so far
Speaker 4: like they they are visited by past family members. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Does that make you nervous?
Speaker 4: I mean yes and yes and no. So like my
Speaker 4: my grandmother who's my best friend. She had a brother
Speaker 4: that had died before her, and my and my grandfather
Speaker 4: had passed too, and she she had like a heart
Speaker 4: failure basically, and she had one or two episodes before
Speaker 4: she like finally went into the hospital and like the
Speaker 4: first two she like went in, but then she got
Speaker 4: back out and then the night before her like last
Speaker 4: the big heart attack that put her in a comma
Speaker 4: that she died a few months. A few weeks later,
Speaker 4: my uh my, my great uncle and my grandfather came
Speaker 4: to visit her, and that I remember they her uh
Speaker 4: being taken out to the ambulance. That that next day
Speaker 4: she was like, that's it, that's it. I'm leaving. I'm
Speaker 4: never coming back to this house. She just knew it
Speaker 4: because when she saw them, she was like and they
Speaker 4: they they made her feel comfortable and they were just like, look,
Speaker 4: I think they like to show up to be like, hey,
Speaker 4: we're here. There is something like you're gonna you're gonna
Speaker 4: see us soon. And whether that's like a trick of
Speaker 4: the mind or like there is something real there or
Speaker 4: like it ghosts to just like a concentrated energy that
Speaker 4: like you can visualize or whatever. I don't know, but
Speaker 4: the crazy one is my mom. So my mom, my
Speaker 4: mom passed away about six years ago, and she was like, uh,
Speaker 4: she had a disease called multiple system atrophy, which like
Speaker 4: it looks like Louke Griggs's kind of in the neurological family.
Speaker 4: So she was like bedridden for the last three years
Speaker 4: of her life, and she my mom was like catholic,
Speaker 4: did not believe in ghosts, like very like by the book,
Speaker 4: a very religious lady. And then for the last especially
Speaker 4: last like sixty six months of her life, she was
Speaker 4: like on a lot of like pain medication and stuff
Speaker 4: and just really was not very lucid. But my aunt
Speaker 4: was living in the house the time, helping out. And
Speaker 4: one day, a few weeks from my mom passed away,
Speaker 4: my aunt went upstairs to go like get my mom's
Speaker 4: lunch or whatever, take it downstairs, and my aunt my
Speaker 4: mom woke up and just goes, your sister was here,
Speaker 4: you need to name her. And my aunt was like,
Speaker 4: what are you talking about. I'm okay, that's weird. So
Speaker 4: she goes downstairs talk to my dad. My dad was like,
Speaker 4: my dad is my brother. My aunt's brother was like,
Speaker 4: oh there, mom, my grandmother had had a stillborn child
Speaker 4: ten years before they had my dad, and my aunt
Speaker 4: that was still born, never given a name, but buried
Speaker 4: and they were like, is she talking about that? It's
Speaker 4: not like a family secret, but it's like, why would
Speaker 4: We've never really talked about that as a family. So
Speaker 4: it's so funny because my aunt is just like the
Speaker 4: most pragmatic person ever. She told me this and I
Speaker 4: was like, what did you And she was like, he
Speaker 4: was named her Mary, So I guess I have a sister,
Speaker 4: a great aunt named Mary running around somewhere. It's kind
Speaker 4: of funny.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: And then so it was a few weeks when my
Speaker 4: mom passed and then my mom saw her parents kind
Speaker 4: of right before she passed to so just they came
Speaker 4: back to her just to say, hey, we're here.
Speaker 1: My I think I've told this story before, but when
Speaker 1: my grandmother was dying, my mom visited her at the
Speaker 1: hospital and she's my grandmother said that the relatives are
Speaker 1: outside the door waiting, and she died like I think
Speaker 1: that night, and my mom said that the nurse was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that happens a lot that people say that they see family. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think there's something really comforting about it. It's like,
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's like like I said, it's
Speaker 4: I don't like particularly care one way or another if
Speaker 4: it's real, or if it's a trick of your mind.
Speaker 4: If the trick, if it's a trick of your mind, Like,
Speaker 4: what a beautiful trick to pull on yourself. Yeah, to
Speaker 4: give you that comfort at the end, you know, totally,
Speaker 4: I think it's a really beautiful thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to be like we're here, like, yeah, I have
Speaker 1: a good time, You're gonna be fine, you.
Speaker 4: Know, welcome to the Olive Garden of the afterlife.
Speaker 3: Family.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's never ending possible. Yeah, I mean that that does.
Speaker 1: That does scare me. I just think about like what
Speaker 1: if I alluden just saw all of my family, like
Speaker 1: all my past relatives one day.
Speaker 4: Tell you what, I'd stop paying my credit card bills.
Speaker 1: That's yeah, that's right, I'll start eat whatever I want.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is. It is. But it's also like, Okay,
Speaker 4: it's interesting because I'm losing both, like both of them
Speaker 4: as early as I did. It really also kind of
Speaker 4: has made me very like living in the moment, like
Speaker 4: I don't really have a lot of regrets in life,
Speaker 4: so and being like okay, cool. Well, I guess if
Speaker 4: wellmember my mom shows back up, I gotta make sure
Speaker 4: I crossed all my t's and dotted all my eyes
Speaker 4: and feeling good about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just always feel like everything's meant to be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I can only just do the best that
Speaker 1: I can in this lifetime and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: But I remember being I was on a ghost tour
Speaker 4: when I was in seventh grade where Williamsburg, Virginia very
Speaker 4: haunted place. Yeah, I'm from Maryland originally, and I was
Speaker 4: in band, like I did all the all county bands
Speaker 4: and orchestras and stuff like what did you play French horn?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wanted to play the drums. My dad wouldn't
Speaker 4: let me because it was like I don't want those
Speaker 4: in my house. So then I like remember looking at
Speaker 4: like the Peter and the Wolf record and I was like, well,
Speaker 4: which animals the Wolf? There was a French horn and
Speaker 4: I was like, all right, I'm gonna play that. I
Speaker 4: didn't even know what it looked to play it. I can, yeah,
Speaker 4: I have it on the come with You girl started
Speaker 4: an orchestra. I'll bust out every once in a while
Speaker 4: to see if I can still run scales just to
Speaker 4: see if I can do it or not. It's nice
Speaker 4: to be like, Okay, cool, it's still in there. Okay, good, Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's fun.
Speaker 1: So what happened on the ghost tour?
Speaker 4: So I remember, like walking around, I get really spooked
Speaker 4: by that stuff. He's they can't really watch horror movies.
Speaker 4: They stressed me out way too much. So I was
Speaker 4: like kind of just walking around and I remember seeing like,
Speaker 4: remember I saw I saw a weird light like up
Speaker 4: in the sky and a weird corner in my eye,
Speaker 4: and I remember like being like that's a star and
Speaker 4: looking at it and then it shot to a different
Speaker 4: point in this star in the sky, and then it
Speaker 4: shot somewhere else away after that, like it like exactly
Speaker 4: when I looked at it, like I was like, what
Speaker 4: the fuck is that thing? And I was like, did
Speaker 4: I just see an alien on a ghost or it's
Speaker 4: like a real woolu turn duck and it's nice.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean there's a lot of places in
Speaker 1: this world, on this earth that are known for lots
Speaker 1: of paranormal activity in all senses of the world. Yeah, word,
Speaker 1: And I don't I don't know much about the paranormal
Speaker 1: in that specific area. But I don't have a hard
Speaker 1: time believing that there could be ghosts and UFOs and creatures,
Speaker 1: and you know, there's just some places that are just hotbeds.
Speaker 4: For that definitely. Well there's like energy that's attracting something there,
Speaker 4: you know. And I just remember being like talking to
Speaker 4: some of my friends afterwards and being like, Okay, you're
Speaker 4: in CURL in seventh grade. You can't talk about aliens
Speaker 4: too much right now, take it easy.
Speaker 1: I don't. It's interesting because people ask me all the
Speaker 1: time why I don't talk about UFOs on the show,
Speaker 1: because we usually just talk about ghosts. But I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously I believe in UFO. Do you believe in UFOs?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I definitely aliens exist for sure, of course.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean I feel like I always have a
Speaker 1: hard time with people that are like I don't believe
Speaker 1: at all and something and it's.
Speaker 4: Like how narcissistic. We're the only planet exactly.
Speaker 1: That's how I always so big. Yes, Yeah, So I
Speaker 1: just usually don't talk about it because it gets I
Speaker 1: feel like the more I'll talk about it, the more
Speaker 1: like it usually turns into like conspiracy theories. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, political like all this. You know, the government's
Speaker 1: hiding it from us well, which I do believe, well I.
Speaker 4: Do too, but but also they've been slow rolling it out.
Speaker 4: It seems like this, yeah the guy from I hear, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: Tom Plung's getting real into it. Yes he's the part of.
Speaker 1: It, but he's been like a huge force in it
Speaker 1: because he has a huge following, and.
Speaker 4: It's like it's putting real money behind it. Well there was,
Speaker 4: there was just the Navy I think just released footage.
Speaker 4: They're they're using a different acronym now instead of the UFO.
Speaker 4: It's like something else to I think the funk up
Speaker 4: the search is basically, but like they just released footage.
Speaker 4: They were like, we do don't actually know what this was.
Speaker 4: So there is footage and they identify, Yeah it's I identified,
Speaker 4: And it's like I think I kind of feel like
Speaker 4: they're like the world's pretty chaotic right now if we
Speaker 4: just slowly drop some UFO stuff and it barely made
Speaker 4: the news, so I think people are like, yeah, Okay, sure,
Speaker 4: I guess there's aliens, but like there's also all those
Speaker 4: other shit we're dealing with right now.
Speaker 1: Honestly, like it's probably a great time to just like
Speaker 1: be dropping that shit, because it's just every day it's
Speaker 1: like everyone's doing some shit. It's exactly why don't we
Speaker 1: just like drop a little bit of UFOs and aliens.
Speaker 4: Yeah, disclosure is happening. It's not happening in a way
Speaker 4: I ever thought it was going to because of everything
Speaker 4: else that's happening right now. But I think we're all
Speaker 4: just like sure, I guess there's also aliens. Maybe they
Speaker 4: can help us, but.
Speaker 1: Like we see, people are people are always talking about UFOs.
Speaker 1: Like the the reason that we don't the government doesn't
Speaker 1: tell us about it is because of the hysteria, Like
Speaker 1: the whole world is going to start freaking out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I can understand that.
Speaker 4: Well, they want you to be scared. They also want
Speaker 4: you to I mean, the world like wants you to
Speaker 4: pitch you again everybody else as much as possible, so
Speaker 4: you weren't looking up, you know, to see who is
Speaker 4: actually holding power of any kind. So I also think
Speaker 4: that like, you know, if we as a people were like,
Speaker 4: oh shit, other alien races exist, then Earth people on
Speaker 4: Earth have more in common than anybody in power actually
Speaker 4: wants us to think about. You know, it would unite
Speaker 4: us in a way, because that it would be like
Speaker 4: the you know, the end of the Dependence Day where
Speaker 4: it's like all the different countries are like they're all
Speaker 4: getting the code and they're all fighting the aliens. Not
Speaker 4: that aliens are necessarily bad, but it would be like, oh,
Speaker 4: all these differences don't actually matter, you know, which it's true.
Speaker 1: And if that's the case, we are all on the
Speaker 1: same team exactly, So everyone would shut up about your politics.
Speaker 4: Exactly, and nobody, nobody at a certain level of power,
Speaker 4: wants us to realize how much we actually have in common.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So that's my conspiracy theory about aliens, and.
Speaker 1: That concludes the portion of the show exactly.
Speaker 4: Maybe there are ghosts two knows. I loved I met
Speaker 4: an alien ghost. Oh yeah, it would be fine.
Speaker 1: I mean they must exist.
Speaker 4: Maybe that's what aliens are. They're the ghosts of aliens
Speaker 4: from other planets that like, there wasn't an afterlife. We
Speaker 4: just go travel the Solar system.
Speaker 1: That is fun.
Speaker 4: That would be pretty cool.
Speaker 1: Be an alien. Do you so when you saw that thing?
Speaker 1: Did anybody else see it or was it just you?
Speaker 4: It's just me? Yeah, but it was like I remember
Speaker 4: I looked at it and it like I remember having
Speaker 4: this feeling like it knew that I saw it, and
Speaker 4: then it moved. It was just this weird moment that
Speaker 4: I was like, huh, and then it moved once and
Speaker 4: then it shot away completely.
Speaker 1: There's so much smarter than us. Yeah, they probably know.
Speaker 1: They could probably see you from up there.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm. Yeah. That was the weird thing where I
Speaker 4: was just like because if it had just like shot away,
Speaker 4: I would have been like, oh, maybe it's like something
Speaker 4: a shooting star or something. But it stopped in one
Speaker 4: place and then it shot away after that, and it
Speaker 4: was a split second though. It was so fast because
Speaker 4: I couldn't have been like anybody else, And I remember
Speaker 4: being like, wait, an emilse nothing and everyone's like, what
Speaker 4: are you talking about? Well, listen to we're a cemetery, Brandy.
Speaker 4: Why are you looking at the stars right?
Speaker 1: Oh my god. They're probably like, oh, we're gonna make
Speaker 1: her look like she's crazy. Yeah, they're like wave to you.
Speaker 1: In the second that you notice they walk away, they
Speaker 1: fly away exactly. Do you want to hear a ghost story?
Speaker 4: I would love to hear your story.
Speaker 1: Okay, let me find it real quick. This is in
Speaker 1: our Facebook group called Ghosted by Roz Dresfles, and this
Speaker 1: particular story was posted by Yarrow.
Speaker 4: Yarrow, So, yarro, right, Okay, what you got?
Speaker 1: The downstairs at my house is in all caps haunted.
Speaker 4: Do you think that means downstairs or a basement? Like true?
Speaker 1: They in Maryland? Right, Oh yeah, yeah, I'm from Michigan.
Speaker 1: We have basements too, which anytime you're like in California
Speaker 1: and you're like going to a house, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh you don't have a basement.
Speaker 4: Basements so much.
Speaker 1: Basements can be both the most terrifying or especially when
Speaker 1: you're a teenager, that's where you can that's where you
Speaker 1: have your own world down there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. See a lot of Genitalia, to a lot
Speaker 4: of Shawshank Redemptions DVDs, and.
Speaker 1: There's been a lot of DVD menus playing over and
Speaker 1: over as various things happening. Okay, So they said, my
Speaker 1: son and partner are both asleep in slash hogging our bed.
Speaker 1: So I decided to go sleep in our guest room downstairs.
Speaker 1: My cousin was living with us for a minute in
Speaker 1: that room and used to talk about how haunted it
Speaker 1: was downstairs. But I never really took her seriously. Anyways.
Speaker 1: I was just chilling in the guest room trying to
Speaker 1: sleep and thinking about the possibility of ghost in our
Speaker 1: house when I got a text from an old pale
Speaker 1: and forgot about it. The ghost was mad again. In
Speaker 1: all caps, I heard a huge crash in the bathroom
Speaker 1: next to me, and when I checked it out, all
Speaker 1: my makeup and my son's bathtub toys were strewn across
Speaker 1: the floor. Who it wasn't like these all fell off
Speaker 1: of a single janky shelf either. His toys were in
Speaker 1: the tub and now outside the tub. This is seriously
Speaker 1: the scariest supernatural thing that's ever happened to me, So
Speaker 1: I had to come here to get it out. FYI,
Speaker 1: I'm in the non haunted upstairs bedroom with son and partner. Now, okay,
Speaker 1: that's a little scary, yaro. Keep us updated on what
Speaker 1: was going on in this section of the house.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm wondering if there's because I always wonder with ghosts.
Speaker 4: It's like, do you where where did that ghost come from?
Speaker 4: You know, like, did somebody die in the house? Is
Speaker 4: it like a wayward ghost the found your place?
Speaker 1: Like can happen?
Speaker 4: Is this poulter geistwn Ederay. Well.
Speaker 1: See, that's the thing that drives me crazy is that
Speaker 1: the more I've done the show and the more ghosts
Speaker 1: stories I hear, it's like you think you know the rules,
Speaker 1: but then you hear someone tell you a story about like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I lived in this house for ten years, nothing ever happened,
Speaker 1: then one day this ghost showed up. It's not always
Speaker 1: like some something spooky happened and then you move into
Speaker 1: a spooky house. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, because I guess movies and TV had me under
Speaker 4: the impression that it was like a spirit trapped in
Speaker 4: a place. But I guess that isn't necessarily the thing.
Speaker 1: Well, they can get awoken too. Our mutual Chris Fairbanks
Speaker 1: moved into a place and he did some slight alterations
Speaker 1: to the apartment, and it ghost showed up.
Speaker 4: Oh man did not let the new wallpaper.
Speaker 1: So but what I'm mad about, or what would drive
Speaker 1: me insane, is that she said her makeup. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: and the bathtub toys. But the makeup is prizy. Shit
Speaker 1: thrown around across the floor.
Speaker 4: Uh uh.
Speaker 1: You ever have like a compact get thrown God, it breaks,
Speaker 1: It's terrible.
Speaker 4: Here's the thing I'm not gonna throw it away. I'm
Speaker 4: just gonna use it like a popper is just oh no.
Speaker 1: What you have to do is you take a little
Speaker 1: bit of rubbing alcohol and you put it in and
Speaker 1: you mix it around and then you let it dry.
Speaker 4: Oh really, that'll reset it.
Speaker 1: That's what I've learned from the internet.
Speaker 4: WHOA, that is very useful knowledge to have.
Speaker 1: Leave it up to a drag coin to give you
Speaker 1: a cheap alternative, something new.
Speaker 4: That makes sense.
Speaker 1: Okay, you would you like to hear some ghost of voices?
Speaker 4: I love a ghost voice.
Speaker 3: Yes, it is time for ev.
Speaker 1: Or ev Plase. Do you know what EVP is?
Speaker 4: Uh? What does that stand for?
Speaker 1: Again? Electronic voice phenomenon, That's what it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: So what I do is I go to the internets
Speaker 1: and I find ghost hunters voices that they've captured, and
Speaker 1: then I want you to guess what.
Speaker 4: The ghost is saying, okay.
Speaker 1: Or what the ghost hunter thinks it says, just whatever
Speaker 1: whatever pops into your head. Okay, okay, this first one, well,
Speaker 1: these are I'm gonna play two of them for you.
Speaker 1: The first one comes from Baltimore Paranormal Investigators.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be like, hey, han, I thought it would be.
Speaker 1: Fun to go to your your homeland. Are you from
Speaker 1: actual Baltimore, like just south of it, just around it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it does not tell me where exactly they did this,
Speaker 1: but all right, here we go. It's like there's some
Speaker 1: there's always a little bit of like just recorded ambiance noise,
Speaker 1: but it's a it's a loud whisper. Let's try it again.
Speaker 3: What do you they?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 1: Man, you hear it again?
Speaker 4: Yeah, more time. It feels against like, help the Ravens
Speaker 4: win next year.
Speaker 1: Help the Ravens. Yeah wait, I'm pretty sure that's a
Speaker 1: Baltimore team. Right.
Speaker 4: It's a football team, but named after the only football
Speaker 4: and I don't give a fuck about football, but the
Speaker 4: only team in the NFL named after literary anything because
Speaker 4: Ed is the raven because Edgroll and Poe from Baltimore. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he's buried there. He's actually buried in Baltimore. And on
Speaker 4: his birthday every year, there is a man that dresses
Speaker 4: Ed girl and Poe and he goes and he puts
Speaker 4: a shot of cognac on his gravestone. Has for I think, well,
Speaker 4: it's it's been happen. Here's the thing. It's been happening
Speaker 4: for over like sixty or seventy years now, so it's
Speaker 4: been passed down to multiple people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's actually him.
Speaker 4: I hope it is. I hope he's out there ghosting around.
Speaker 4: If anybody would, it would be him.
Speaker 1: All right, So what you thought it was helped the
Speaker 1: Ravens win.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean people from Baltimore, they're real even.
Speaker 1: Yeah, once they pass, they're still rooting for the team.
Speaker 4: They I mean, they love that purple camouflage.
Speaker 1: Let me get you some options. Okay, here, let's play
Speaker 1: it again. Now, these are some options for what Baltimore
Speaker 1: paranormal investigators believe that it says. Is it a Oh,
Speaker 1: I hope I can get a nap in b I
Speaker 1: wonder what's gonna happen? See go for help? Or d
Speaker 1: oh I really wanted a happy meal?
Speaker 4: I think it's b It sounds the most. Oh man,
Speaker 4: now I'm hearing happy meal.
Speaker 1: So you think gets to wonder what's gonna happen?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's I think it's I wonder what's
Speaker 4: gonna happen.
Speaker 1: That's what it sounds like to me. They think it's
Speaker 1: go for help, which I don't know about that one.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: No, it's someone that's wondering what's gonna happen or if
Speaker 1: they can have a happy meal. Yeah, yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: let's try another one from the same video from Baltimore
Speaker 1: Paranormal Investigators. What mm hmm, it's another whisper with lots
Speaker 1: of loud noise.
Speaker 4: Look listen to Baltimore Paranormal Society. If you're listening, what
Speaker 4: I gotta say, stop wearing tap shoes to all these
Speaker 4: ghost hots. You gotta stop doing your soft shoes.
Speaker 1: Come on, man, take it down a notch. Seriously. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's like old vaudeville ghosts that are tapping around in
Speaker 1: the afterlife. Wait, let's listen again.
Speaker 4: Put the old bay on the crabs. So it sounds
Speaker 4: like I.
Speaker 1: Mean, yeah, you are definitely not you definitely know that
Speaker 1: in Baltimore that I feel like. That's what When I
Speaker 1: think of Baltimore, I think of John Waters, I think
Speaker 1: of crabs.
Speaker 4: Well, I think, yeah, crabs, grabs, yea, crabs of all crab,
Speaker 4: crabs of all kinds of all. Maybe it's divine just
Speaker 4: being like shoes or awful those shoes suck.
Speaker 1: Okay, here's some options. Is it a you're not supposed
Speaker 1: to be here? B I love the music of c
Speaker 1: Yah see I'm coming to get you or d How convenient?
Speaker 1: All sarcastic, How convenient? Here, let's hear it again.
Speaker 4: Okay, what was the first one again?
Speaker 1: You're not supposed to be here.
Speaker 4: I'm hearing that a little bit.
Speaker 1: That's how they thought it was too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I supposed to be supposed to be here.
Speaker 1: Hey, that's about it.
Speaker 4: Oh, thanks, honey, this was thanks to do this. Thanks
Speaker 4: for having me tell people.
Speaker 1: Where they find you and what you got going on.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So my Instagram and my Twitter are brand Dazzle
Speaker 4: b r A n d A z z l E.
Speaker 4: I have a podcast. Made a horrible noise into the microphone.
Speaker 4: Do you hear that? I have a podcast of my own.
Speaker 1: It's called an scream o band.
Speaker 4: Yeah exactly. It's called Lady to Lady.
Speaker 1: What's Lady too, Lady?
Speaker 4: It's my podcast. It's me Barbara Gray and Test Barker,
Speaker 4: and then we have a fourth guest on every week
Speaker 4: who's generally a female comedian. We've had like a bunch
Speaker 4: of very fun other guests and stuff too, and then
Speaker 4: we like just kind of riff and have a good
Speaker 4: time and it feels like a sleepover brunch party. Oh
Speaker 4: my god, I'll we're going to have you on. You're
Speaker 4: on my list now girl.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you for listening to my conversations with Adam
Speaker 1: Robatel and Brandy Posey. I am excited because here in
Speaker 1: my fabulous boyfriend's shower studios, I am recording some more
Speaker 1: interviews this week with some fabulous guests. So make sure
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Speaker 1: would mean the world to me. I also love it
Speaker 1: when you guys post about the show, you know, a
Speaker 1: little insta story or something that's always nice. And you
Speaker 1: know what, I also want to thank you guys for
Speaker 1: sending me or posting in the Facebook group ghosted by
Speaker 1: Rose Dressful Us. You guys often send me different celebrities
Speaker 1: or you know people that you hear that have these
Speaker 1: incredible ghost stories, and you know, let me know, you know,
Speaker 1: if you know somebody that has a good story. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm often looking for a new guests, so I always
Speaker 1: appreciate that. And you know, I usually know somebody or
Speaker 1: know somebody that knows somebody, and sometimes it works out.
Speaker 1: So I always appreciate that. Make sure you're in that
Speaker 1: Facebook group ghosted by Rose Dressful us. We have a
Speaker 1: Facebook page, I'm on Instagram or at Roz dress Falles, Venmo,
Speaker 1: Queen Ross and I love you guys, both living and dead.
Speaker 1: But if I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't
Speaker 1: haunt me. Gay bye.
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