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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Jim Jackson, fourteen year NBA VET. He'll be

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Speaker 1: on the call for the Hawks Nicks tonight on TNT.

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Speaker 1: Then he's got the Sons and Lakers game three tomorrow night,

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Speaker 1: also on TNT. Jim, thanks for joining us. Your level

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Speaker 1: of concern for the Clippers today is what very high?

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Speaker 1: Damn very high. You know, because I covered him all year.

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Speaker 1: So it was a game earlier in the year where

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Speaker 1: the Mavericks were up like fifty at half time, and

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Speaker 1: I say, well, you notice an anomaly happens one of

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Speaker 1: those games. Now, the Clippers weren't completely healthy, but during

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Speaker 1: the course of the year, I mean Dallas just even

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Speaker 1: last year in the bubble, it was something about that

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Speaker 1: Mavericks team when they matched up against Dallas. I mean,

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Speaker 1: when the Mavericks matched up against Clippers, that kind of

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Speaker 1: gave him a little fit. And you can see it

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Speaker 1: kind of showing up right now, you know, in this

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Speaker 1: early series, especially Dallas winning both in the row. But

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Speaker 1: you got big games from Paul George in big games

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Speaker 1: from Kawhi Leonard. That supporting cast is very suspect here,

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Speaker 1: you know. And what's weird about it, Dan is that

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Speaker 1: during the course of the year, Nicholas Done really played well.

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Speaker 1: Early in the year was you know, Luke Knar who's

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Speaker 1: not playing a lot because of matchups in this one.

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Speaker 1: Serge Ibaka not being back in the fold I think

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Speaker 1: hurts a lot because that was a big component of

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Speaker 1: what they did, the Clippers with their you know, dribill penetration,

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Speaker 1: pick and pop. If you help, you can pop Surge

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Speaker 1: out and he can knock in that three, which also

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Speaker 1: kept the court spread. And that's not happening. So you

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Speaker 1: can bind that with the fact that Tim Hardaway Junior

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Speaker 1: is playing well, prizingis is back in the line up playing,

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Speaker 1: you got Jalen Brunton, who solid, and of course Lucas

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Speaker 1: gonna be Luca. I mean, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: Luca has been successful against the slipper team. Everything is

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Speaker 1: trending towards the Mavericks from a matchup perspective. But again,

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Speaker 1: you win a couple in Dallas. Now it's even serious,

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Speaker 1: but some things have to be changed. Level of concern

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Speaker 1: you would have for the Phoenix Suns youth is the

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Speaker 1: biggest thing, even with a Chris Paul Okay Now you're

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Speaker 1: going back to LA and that like did their job.

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Speaker 1: You know how I used to be said, Dan, you

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Speaker 1: go in on the road, you just want to get

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Speaker 1: one game, whether it's the person's second game, and you

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Speaker 1: would get make sure you got home court advantage. Now

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Speaker 1: and that's something now the Phoenix Suns last year in

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Speaker 1: the bubble, everything was great. It was isolated in the bubble.

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Speaker 1: Now it's a little bit more pressure playing on the role.

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Speaker 1: But I think Monty Williams the way you got this

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Speaker 1: team locked in. Even that Lakers game last night. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Lakers won it, but this thing was nipping tuck. You know,

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Speaker 1: it could have went in the bound to a shot

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Speaker 1: here of their defensive stop. Phoenix could be up to old.

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Speaker 1: I just never know what I'm gonna get from Anthony Davis.

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Speaker 1: When he's great, it feels like the Lakers are great

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Speaker 1: and he's not. It doesn't feel like they're great. Do

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Speaker 1: you feel that same? What you want him? Yeah? What

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Speaker 1: do you think it is? What does your gut tell you?

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Speaker 1: I think he's some. He doesn't pick his spots like

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Speaker 1: you should take over the game. Lebron. Lebron is able

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Speaker 1: to do that, but he has to pick his spots.

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Speaker 1: Anthony Davis should be like, get me the ball, and

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Speaker 1: I said yesterday, get to the free throw line. Don't

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Speaker 1: be shooting fade away jumpers. You know you got Jay

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Speaker 1: crowder on you come on, get to the hoop, make them,

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Speaker 1: make them make plays on you. And then it feels

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Speaker 1: like that opens up everything else for everybody else on

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Speaker 1: the team. Now, did you notice at the beginning of

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Speaker 1: the game they made an emphasis that kind of really

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Speaker 1: He was more aggressive yesterday, you know, really looking for

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Speaker 1: a shot. And I do think at times he settled

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Speaker 1: for bailing his opponent out. But how many guys in

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Speaker 1: league also do that? I mean, it's it's a kind

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Speaker 1: of a different mindset. The easy way out is to

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Speaker 1: take a little jump shot instead of now you pounding

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Speaker 1: that you know the spacing is not there at times,

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Speaker 1: I know what a d and the Lakers, and I

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Speaker 1: think your point is valid on this. Lebron can't go

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Speaker 1: thirty eight minutes and kind of go he just can't.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's not built like that, but but he

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Speaker 1: is built in the playoffs for spurs on when he

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Speaker 1: can pick, when he can go. A d has to

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Speaker 1: is how aggressive is he to attract in the defense

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Speaker 1: and then here comes okay, shot over the top or

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Speaker 1: he didn't make a place one of his teammates. If

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Speaker 1: I gave you the Lakers or the field in the West,

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Speaker 1: who would you take? Oh, Dan, that's the tough one

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Speaker 1: right there, because the field is tough, man, you know

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Speaker 1: the field. Now, if Donathan Mitchell being healthy, Murray being healthy,

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Speaker 1: I still got a hedge towards the Lakers because of Lebron,

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Speaker 1: you know. You know, if there if there's a you

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Speaker 1: tell me a matchup when you think the Lakers would

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Speaker 1: really have problems. I think the Clippers match up when well,

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Speaker 1: but I don't know if they can get past no doubt.

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Speaker 1: I think they match up with them well. Um, But

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Speaker 1: but it's something about Lebron in these situations. You know,

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Speaker 1: do you think you'll ever pick against Lebron. It's hard.

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Speaker 1: That's like asking you think you can pick against Michael?

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean, because you knew you knew

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Speaker 1: it was something there, even when they got down to Portland,

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Speaker 1: when they played in Portland one or they played they

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Speaker 1: lost the first game to the Lakers. You know, back

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Speaker 1: then you're like, m maybe not Portland, I mean the Lakers.

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Speaker 1: It's just like, guy, something about Michael. How many times

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Speaker 1: did you have that where you go, we're facing a

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Speaker 1: guy and this isn't gonna this isn't gonna go well tonight,

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Speaker 1: Like you you can't say it, but you're thinking it.

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Speaker 1: And maybe all your teammates knew that this isn't gonna

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Speaker 1: go well. But you know what though, Dan, Here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: It's not so much the guy. Like you know that

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Speaker 1: Luca is gonna get hit, Okay, you know that Lebron

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Speaker 1: is gonna be effective in different ways. You know back

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Speaker 1: in the day, Mike was gonna get it. What gets

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Speaker 1: you as the X factors, Those are the guys that

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Speaker 1: end up having Like Dorian Finney Smith in that first

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Speaker 1: game against the Clippers. You game plan to leave him open. Hey,

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Speaker 1: you game plan that's your game plan. It didn't. He

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Speaker 1: makes you pay for it. Yeah. Okay, how many times

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Speaker 1: have we seen Robert Ory have big games? Yeah, Shaq

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Speaker 1: if they're not as effective. But it's always the other

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Speaker 1: worry about. You know, to me, you faced Michael, you

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Speaker 1: faced Kobe, and you faced Lebron. Where do you rank them?

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Speaker 1: I said, Mike number one. I mean just for the

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Speaker 1: sei fact that Mike offensive being defensively, the way he

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Speaker 1: attacked in multipositions where you can put him, and he

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Speaker 1: was very efficient. Now Lebron is very efficient. But Lebron

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Speaker 1: to take breaks during the game, and what I mean

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Speaker 1: by Braggs is he won't be as aggressive offensively. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Mike was always at that. Kobe was like that, but

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Speaker 1: Kobe would take some bad shots at time. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: when he got gone, he got gone. Lebron is so methodical.

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Speaker 1: And to think about it, that Lebron is so methodical

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Speaker 1: in this thing. Again, the mindset is like magic. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna beat you with this, and if I get

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Speaker 1: it going from here, I'm fine now with with with

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Speaker 1: Mike beat you from the three point line back in

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Speaker 1: And that's the difference between now. The brun doesn't take

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Speaker 1: bad bad shots. But Mikey was something about him, Man,

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Speaker 1: it was. And I played now, I played against a

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Speaker 1: young Lebron James just prefaced that I didn't play against

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Speaker 1: this older one okay when he grew, but man, it

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Speaker 1: was something. And Kobe was something else too. His mindset,

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Speaker 1: you know, mindset was totally different. Any issues with the nets,

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Speaker 1: the East, Nope, that was quick Nope. And the reason

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Speaker 1: why it is because it's kind of like Golden State.

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Speaker 1: Remember so when they had Durant when he was there

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Speaker 1: and played in step, more than likely two or the

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Speaker 1: three going to have a good game, okay, and even

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Speaker 1: if one is off, it's maybe they're five for fifteen,

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Speaker 1: six for eighteen, but they still got eighteen points, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean. And they had a they got

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Speaker 1: a really I like Claxton. I like Joe Harris Shammon

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Speaker 1: if he gets his shot going on like Bruce Brown

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Speaker 1: m the question is too. It's like, as you advanced

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Speaker 1: this before, they talked about the Big three a lot, Dan,

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Speaker 1: but they didn't talk about Steve Nash having the Big

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Speaker 1: three in certain situations where now, hey, what plays am

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Speaker 1: I going to be comfortable running that they're comfortable running

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Speaker 1: because they haven't been together, you know. Steve is still learning, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and so are they, you know, just being on the floor.

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Speaker 1: At the same time. We'll be watching tonight Hawks Knicks

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Speaker 1: at seven thirty Eastern, and then you got Game three

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Speaker 1: Lakers Sons tomorrow night, also on TNT. Jim, thanks for

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Speaker 1: spending time with his buddy anytime. Dan, appreciate your brother.

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Speaker 1: That's the great. Jim Jackson, fourteen year NBA VET. Thanks

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Speaker 1: did the interview in air quotes with Shannon Sharp about

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Speaker 1: with Julio Jones, help or hurt the situation of trading him.

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Speaker 1: It hurt I think more than anything. I don't think

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Speaker 1: it hurt in a big way. Now, Like listen, I mean,

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Speaker 1: to Julio Jones. And you know I said on the

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Speaker 1: connected the situation, yeah, that Julio Jones and his agent

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Speaker 1: But at the same time, I don't think it really

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Speaker 1: hurts the leverage of the trade really ultimately, because listen,

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Speaker 1: been having conversations with teams. It's not like these teams

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Speaker 1: saw that interview and went, oh, it's official, he's being traded. Guys,

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Speaker 1: now we can work this against them. We got the

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Speaker 1: leverage we know he wants out of there. I don't.

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Speaker 1: As long as there's more than one team involved, I

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Speaker 1: don't think it affects it a whole lot, except it's

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Speaker 1: maybe made it more of a known thing that Julio

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Speaker 1: other way around. But also with Matthew Stamford, you know,

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Speaker 1: Quarterback Crush was this lefty kid out of Texas back

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Speaker 1: in the day. That's right, that's right. It was a

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Speaker 1: wise movie. Very well. Cole McCoy's right handed. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're fine. You're funny. You're both jerks and you're funny.

427
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Speaker 1: Are you going to so you already know your top forty? Right?

428
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I got it all down, yep. Okay, definitely.

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Speaker 1: That's all I tinkered with all week. Last week, I

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Speaker 1: stressed out about it, Like I go to dinner with

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Speaker 1: the wife on Friday night and she's like, what are

432
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Speaker 1: you thinking about it? I'm like, oh, I'm sorry. My list,

433
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Speaker 1: I'm always thinking. So it overtakes my life here for

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Speaker 1: a period of time. Okay, is there somebody I know

435
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Speaker 1: that you're gonna create some headlines here? You always do,

436
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Speaker 1: But is there somebody who's gonna be viewed as being

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Speaker 1: too high on the list or somebody who's gonna be

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Speaker 1: viewed as too low on the list? Which which one

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Speaker 1: brings the controversy here? Oh? I you know, when I

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Speaker 1: look at it, I think there's like you know, and

441
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Speaker 1: I really I'm going by like my producers and people.

442
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Speaker 1: There's about three or four people at different spots that

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Speaker 1: I think could cause yeah, a stir a crazy because

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Speaker 1: they don't see it the way I do, or whatever else. Listen,

445
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Speaker 1: or one's already happened. I made justin fields thirty nine

446
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Speaker 1: and I'm getting eviscerated on you know, social media. So

447
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 1: that's just you know, part of the game. It's the

448
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 1: same thing that I last year. I made two of

449
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Speaker 1: forty I got the same type of reaction and those

450
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Speaker 1: type of things. It's not disrespect to any of these guys.

451
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Speaker 1: I hope Justin Fields proves me wrong. It's just where

452
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Speaker 1: he's at right now. He's unproven, he hasn't played, and

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Speaker 1: I had questions about him coming out in the draft.

454
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Speaker 1: So but yes, you know me, not that I try

455
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Speaker 1: to do this, but maybe my beliefs and studies are

456
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Speaker 1: just different than others. I'm gonna have a few that

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Speaker 1: I think are gonna But you have Ken Mond ahead, yes,

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Speaker 1: Justin Fields, I do. I had Kellen Mond in front

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Speaker 1: of Justin Fields and Trey Lance throughout the draft process.

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Speaker 1: To me, Kelln Mahnd, I'm putting the proclamation out here

461
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Speaker 1: that he's gonna be the Dak Prescott of this draft,

462
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Speaker 1: like the guy that went to the fourth round and

463
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Speaker 1: everybody nitpicked him because a team reasons and he fell

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Speaker 1: and that I just I look at Kellen Mahnd. Really,

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Speaker 1: you could argue that Mac Jones and Kelln Mond were

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Speaker 1: the two most pocket ready quarterbacks, not saying they're the

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Speaker 1: best dan, but playing from the pocket, that is where

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Speaker 1: Mond was special to me, an NFL ready special to me,

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Speaker 1: where pocket collapsing, doesn't need space, has a big arm,

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Speaker 1: really goes through reads the right way, can throw into

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Speaker 1: tight windows. And that's NFL football when it's all said

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Speaker 1: and done. If you're Kirk Cousins, Yeah, should you be nervous?

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Speaker 1: Not right now? I don't think so. But I do

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Speaker 1: think Mond is the type of talent that Cousins is

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Speaker 1: going to feel his presence throughout the year, even though

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Speaker 1: he's the starter, because he's the guy. He's the kind

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Speaker 1: of guy where you know, guys are gonna come off

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Speaker 1: the practice field and coaches every now and then and go, WHOA,

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Speaker 1: did you see some of those throws by Mond today? Wow?

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Speaker 1: That was special. Did you see him take off over

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Speaker 1: around the corner on that bootleg and run fifty yards

482
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Speaker 1: down the sideline? Those type of things will get the

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Speaker 1: hype to where Kirk Cousins will feel the pressure maybe

484
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Speaker 1: more about twenty twenty two rather than right now this moment. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it's interesting and a lot of the success

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Speaker 1: and you know, this is the team you go to

487
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Speaker 1: and a lot of times, you know, when like Joe Burrow,

488
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Speaker 1: if you put Joe Burrow on Kansas City, you know,

489
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Speaker 1: like who knows what kind of numbers, but he's with

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati right now. I think that's what made what you know,

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Speaker 1: Herbert did with the Chargers, you know, a good team

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Speaker 1: and injury played team, but still a better team. And

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Speaker 1: I think if you look at success, there are a

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Speaker 1: lot of guys who failed, and they failed because they

495
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Speaker 1: went to a bad organization, and they're guys who succeeded,

496
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Speaker 1: who probably have succeeded because they went later in the

497
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Speaker 1: draft and got with a better team, a better organization,

498
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Speaker 1: a better situation. Maybe they weren't asked to start right

499
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Speaker 1: away exactly right, you got chance to develop. The pressure

500
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Speaker 1: wasn't on them to carry the team right from the

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Speaker 1: get go. You know, like you're saying, the support systems

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Speaker 1: there already so it can accentuate the talents. You know,

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Speaker 1: I do. I know you and I discussed this before,

504
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Speaker 1: but I think that's one of the things people like

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Speaker 1: drop the ball on with that, you know, the mahomes

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Speaker 1: Borough conversation. You're just talking about, Hey, mahomes I know,

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Speaker 1: any team he would have gone to, we would have

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Speaker 1: saw the talent and gone, WHOA, he does some really

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Speaker 1: cool special things. I get that, But the fact that

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Speaker 1: he got to go to a team that had a

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Speaker 1: good system, had a coach that really, like you know,

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Speaker 1: was all about the quarterback and really like lived it

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Speaker 1: like he did through his eyes, and then had the weapons.

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Speaker 1: That's when, yeah, you get a jump off point to where, wait,

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Speaker 1: we have a great support system around this guy, and

516
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Speaker 1: now it can really accentuate all his talents that he

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Speaker 1: can bring to the table. So all the idiots in

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Speaker 1: the world, even the casual football viewers, can go, WHOA,

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Speaker 1: this guy's really damn good. And to me, that's where

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Speaker 1: a lot of teams dropped the ball on drafting quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: It's like the Sam Darnold New York Jets conversation. Wait,

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Speaker 1: you draft a guy at number three, you make it

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Speaker 1: the biggest thing in the organization, and then you give

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Speaker 1: him crap for three years around him, and then you

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Speaker 1: wonder why people are calling for your head as a

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Speaker 1: GM or going, hey, you guys are stupid at all

527
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Speaker 1: these and what a bad pickup quarterback. You know, you

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Speaker 1: just can't do that at this day and age. It's

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Speaker 1: an excusable and you've got to give that guy support

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Speaker 1: if you're going to draft him high. Thank you, Chris,

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Speaker 1: good luck with the list and We'll be closely monitoring

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Speaker 1: so we can rip you as always. Thank you, work mate,

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Speaker 1: Thank you mates. See at the dispensary. That's Chris Simms,

534
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Speaker 1: co host of Pro Football Talk Live. Thanks for listening

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00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to catch

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Speaker 1: us live every weekday morning nine until noon eastern six

537
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Speaker 1: to nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, and you can

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00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: find us on the iHeartRadio app at FSR or stream

539
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: us live on the Peacock app. He is the Dodgers

540
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Speaker 1: pitcher and eight time All Star. A couple of cy

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Speaker 1: youngs and one. Last night and the Dodgers won nine two.

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Speaker 1: They won eighth straight, twelve of their last thirteen. They

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Speaker 1: beat the Astros. Clayton Kershaw joining us on the program. Clayton,

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Speaker 1: congrats on the wind. Last night, I was talking about

545
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Speaker 1: strange injuries. I don't know if you heard Zach Pleisach

546
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Speaker 1: broke his thumb after aggressively taking off his jersey. What's

547
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Speaker 1: the strangest baseball injury you've ever witnessed? Man, that's that's

548
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: a very aggressive shirt take off. How do you do that?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know, man. You know you

550
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Speaker 1: hear about the you hear about the broken hands, like

551
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Speaker 1: hitting the you know, hitting the water cooler or um.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think that somebody like stubbed their toe

553
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Speaker 1: and broke their toe, like running into a table late

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Speaker 1: at night trying to go to the bathroom. I think

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Speaker 1: that's that could happen to me at any moment. So

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Speaker 1: that's that one that one resonated with me. Would you

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Speaker 1: ever make up an excuse just because you've suffered an

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Speaker 1: injury that could be viewed as embarrassing? Maybe not embarrassing,

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Speaker 1: but like I think potentially, you know, if you're hooping

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Speaker 1: it up and you know, maybe tarring al or something,

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Speaker 1: you might want to think of something else, like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I was doing box jumps or working out. You know,

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Speaker 1: you might not want to say I was, you know,

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Speaker 1: on the court to or a cl or something. Are

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Speaker 1: you allowed to play basketball during the season, you're a

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Speaker 1: I think the rule is you're not allowed to play

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Speaker 1: like an organized league, but I think you're allowed. I'm

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Speaker 1: probably this is probably a gray area, but I think

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Speaker 1: you're allowed to play like pickup games. But still, if

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Speaker 1: you get hurt, that's probably not good. You probably shouldn't

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Speaker 1: do it. But do you does each contract have similar

572
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Speaker 1: language of what you're allowed to do not allowed to do. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think they all have. Like they have a whole

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Speaker 1: list of things you can't do, like skiing, and there's

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Speaker 1: some weird ones in there. Um like they I forget

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Speaker 1: what else there is, but I know skiing is a

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Speaker 1: big one. But yeah, every like uniform contract, has a

578
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Speaker 1: bunch of things you can't do for sure. What was

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Speaker 1: the atmosphere like last night? And was it what you

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Speaker 1: expected last night? I'll tell you what. There's so many

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Speaker 1: Dodger fans there last night. It was. It was really cool. Um,

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Speaker 1: they traveled so well. They had a whole section like

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Speaker 1: down the right field line and then sprinkled in throughout

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Speaker 1: the whole stadium. Um, it was the first night, ironically

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Speaker 1: that Houston allowed to max crowd, So that was I'm

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Speaker 1: sure they didn't do that on purpose, but that was.

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Speaker 1: That was pretty cool to see how many Dodger fans

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Speaker 1: were there last night. It was awesome. But does does

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Speaker 1: it matter to you? Like, you beat them, but it

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Speaker 1: doesn't take away the sting of anything that's happened prior

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Speaker 1: to this, doesn't. Yeah. I mean, if you ask me,

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Speaker 1: I'd rather win last night or win Game five of

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Speaker 1: the World Series. I probably would pick that one, you know,

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Speaker 1: but uh, I think, uh, you know, I think mentally

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Speaker 1: coming back here and um pitching well and you know,

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Speaker 1: getting a win, I think there's I don't know, there's

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Speaker 1: a little bit of closure in that for me a

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Speaker 1: little bit. But yeah, it doesn't take anything away. And

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Speaker 1: I said that last night, you're not going to change

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Speaker 1: what happened in the past, and um, but you know,

601
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Speaker 1: to come back here the first time and pitch here

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00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: since that happened, I think there's, um, you know, I

603
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Speaker 1: think there's a little bit of closure that coupled with

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Speaker 1: winning last year. I think, you know helps you know,

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Speaker 1: I know it helped me mentally a lot for sure. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was wondering about that that if you didn't win

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Speaker 1: last year, then that probably exacerbates this. It makes it,

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Speaker 1: you know, stand out and hurt or haunt a little

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00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: bit more. Yeah, it makes it harder, for sure, makes

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Speaker 1: it harder. Um. Definitely not something that um I wanted

611
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Speaker 1: to do coming back here and not having one one.

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Speaker 1: So that was that was. It definitely alleviated a lot

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Speaker 1: of some things. It doesn't take it away, you know,

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Speaker 1: like you said, but um, it definitely helped for sure.

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Speaker 1: Talking to Clayton Kershaw up to the win last night,

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Speaker 1: I think you said recently, maybe last week, that no

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Speaker 1: hitters aren't great for baseball, and my paraphrasing you correctly, No,

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's exactly what I said. I said

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Speaker 1: no hitters are great for baseball, But I think the

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Speaker 1: great thing about is unique. It's hard to do, and

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Speaker 1: it still is incredibly hard to do. Um. I was

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Speaker 1: probably a little harsh last week, but it just seems

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Speaker 1: like it has happened every night, you know, And um,

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Speaker 1: sometimes the great things about baseball that they're so rare

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Speaker 1: and they're so hard to accomplish. So when you're seeing guys,

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Speaker 1: you know, no hitter watch every night, I don't know

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Speaker 1: if that's the best thing. But no hitters are still great.

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Speaker 1: They're super cool. I just they're more cool when they

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Speaker 1: happen less frequently. Well. Also, I don't know if pictures

630
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Speaker 1: are it's not like, you know, you're Greg Maddox and

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Speaker 1: you're nibbling on the corners. That feels like these guys

632
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Speaker 1: are just saying, here it is, let's see if you

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Speaker 1: can hit it, and the hitters are going throw it.

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Speaker 1: Let me see if I can hit it, And maybe

635
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: that's like I'm trying to understand why we're getting no

636
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: hitters and these aren't necessarily hard throwing guys. So how

637
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: would you how would you sum that up? Of that

638
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: we've had, you know, this many no hitters. Yeah, I

639
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: think that's a bigger conversation. I think there's a lot

640
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: of factors in that, you know, like you said, I

641
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: think some guys like Corey Klueber, for example, Corey's a

642
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: picture like he doesn't throw one hundred miles per hour,

643
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: he has a bunch of different pitches. Is that he

644
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: knows how to execute and when he's going good, you

645
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: know that stuff like that can happen. And then you

646
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: have other guys just pure stuff, just dominating guys with

647
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 1: you know, all the spin rates and you know, velocity

648
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: and things like that. So pitching is pitching is really

649
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 1: really good right now and just across the league. And hitting.

650
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 1: I still think hitting is the hardest thing to do

651
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,280
Speaker 1: in sports. And so as pitching continues to get better

652
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: and evolve in different things like that, hitting you know,

653
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 1: has come to a point where they're trying to hit

654
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: home runs and it's not any fault of their own.

655
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: That's what you get paid to do. You don't get

656
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: paid to hit singles anymore. So it's a huge, full

657
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: circle thing. When teams start paying guys to get on

658
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 1: base and hit singles and not strike out, then guys

659
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: might start changing an approach a little bit more. But

660
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: when you get paid to hit home runs and slug

661
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: and you're not really worried about hitting the two strikes

662
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: single the other way, you're going to have a lot

663
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: of games where you strike out fifteen and have some

664
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 1: no hitters. Does it help you at all? Is a

665
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: pitcher too, when you go to the plate, like can

666
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: you can you tell what's coming your way? Like a catcher.

667
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: I always thought a catcher would be a good hitter

668
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: because he's so used to seeing these pitches in the

669
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: spin and and everything that goes along with it. I

670
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 1: know it doesn't equate to that, but can you tell

671
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: what's coming? I know you still have to hit it. Yeah,

672
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: I can tell. I haven't. I think I guess right

673
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 1: like seventy five percent of the time when I'm hitting,

674
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: but I just can't hit it. I'm just not that skilled.

675
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 1: It doesn't it I think it helps a little bit

676
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 1: to make contact. But at the end of the day,

677
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: hitting just really hard. It's just it's coming really fast.

678
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: It's just really fast. But when somebody throws. If I

679
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: threw ninety five and somebody else threw a hundred, how

680
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: big of a difference is that When you're at the plate,

681
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: it's yeah, you know, it's it's a different person a

682
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:58,399
Speaker 1: person as weird as that sounds like, I face. So

683
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 1: the last couple of guys that I Fay faced Sonny Gray,

684
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: maybe two weeks ago, and Sonny he throws like ninety

685
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:08,280
Speaker 1: three ninety four, and that was the fastest, like fastest

686
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,399
Speaker 1: fastball I had seen. And I don't know if it's

687
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 1: because he's a little bit shorter and like it it

688
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,439
Speaker 1: just explodes that like I don't know why. But that's

689
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: why pitching is so unique, is that everybody is so different.

690
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,760
Speaker 1: And sometimes ninety three feels like it's one hundred and fifty.

691
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 1: And sometimes I faced some guys that are throwing ninety

692
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: seven that it doesn't feel that fast and it's just

693
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,879
Speaker 1: the deception of it or I don't know, but Sonny Gray,

694
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: I had absolutely no chance to hit a baseball. What's

695
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: the fastest you've ever been clocked on the gun back

696
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: in my back, in my youthful days, I might have

697
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,280
Speaker 1: gotten I think maybe ninety eight the hardest I've ever thrown.

698
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: Is there a temptation to want to throw harder? Yeah,

699
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: I'd love to throw harder, for sure. But you know,

700
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: Maddox was a power pitcher and then he became I mean,

701
00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: he was a thrower and then he became a pitcher.

702
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: You know, just that he kind of graduated to that

703
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: is that? Yeah, I mean the best, the best pitchers

704
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: in the game are the ones that throw really hard

705
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: and know how to pitch. So the Jacob Degroms of

706
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: the world, the Garrett Coles of the world, the Walker

707
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: Buelers of the world. You know, those guys have the

708
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: dominant electric ninety seven ninety eight in de Gram's case,

709
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 1: one hundred and two min hour fastballs. But they just

710
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: put it exactly where they want to, and they know

711
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: how to pitch. And so that's why. The great thing

712
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: about that is you can throw ninety miles per hour

713
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: and if you know how to pitch, still have success.

714
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: So thankfully for some of us older fellows, you can

715
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:42,760
Speaker 1: still do that. How do you explain Jacob deGrom I don't.

716
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: I want to. I've talked to him about it. I

717
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: have no idea. It's just a reverse aging curve. I

718
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: don't get it. I don't get it. But it's it's

719
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 1: pretty special to watch. And man, he's such a great dude.

720
00:37:55,400 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: I really like him. He's fun to watch and you

721
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: can't explain it. I have no idea. And I love

722
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: watching Suz pitch because he just pounds it, like he

723
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,760
Speaker 1: just saying, here it comes. And he and he also

724
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: has great stuff. I mean, there there are a few

725
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: of those pitchers, but there's just something about them. You know,

726
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: what you do, how you do it. De Grom, but

727
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 1: those there are more power pitchers like Sures, who fascinates me.

728
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: Um de Grom. I don't know how to describe that.

729
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: It's it's and imagine if you got any offensive support. Yeah,

730
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: he some of those numbers about his no decisions and

731
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: things like that are just amazing. That's just sometimes you

732
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 1: pitch on the right day and sometimes you don't. And

733
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: so but with with Max, I love watching Max pitch too.

734
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: You know, I think just competitor, you know, I think

735
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: is the first word that comes to my mind. You

736
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: just you just feeling competing out there, and there's just

737
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: a few guys for me that like I would I

738
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: would pay money to watch pitch, and those two are

739
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: right at the top of the list. M We have

740
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: a lot of guys on our team that I feel

741
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: that way about. Um. I think that's what makes baseball

742
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: great is to have fun starting pitching matchups that you

743
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: can go and watch and say, oh, sure's a verse

744
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: to Grom today, or you know, Bueller versus Um. I'm

745
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: trying to think of anybody else, but yeah, just different

746
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: guys like that that it's just fun to watch. What

747
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: are your career numbers against Albert Poohles. I know I

748
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,879
Speaker 1: have not given up a homer, but I think he's

749
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 1: hit in like three twenty off me. But I know

750
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 1: I haven't give it up a homer, so I'll take that.

751
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 1: And there's no chance you're going to give up a

752
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: homer to him this year, so I think you're safe.

753
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: They think you're one of the few that escaped Albert Pooles. Hey,

754
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: you know that was the first hit I ever gave up,

755
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: Dan it was to Albert Pooholes. Did you know at

756
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: the time about Albert Poohles or what did you know? Yeah,

757
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 1: he was pretty good. He's pretty good. Yeah, I knew,

758
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: I knew, so I'll think it was good. You remember

759
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,240
Speaker 1: the remember the pitch. Yeah, it was actually a curveball,

760
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 1: three through curveball, and it was my So it was

761
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: my It was my debut. And I struck out the

762
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: first batter and then I walked the next batter on

763
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: four pitches, and then Albert Poohol sat a double and

764
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: scored a run, and I was like, well, this is

765
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 1: not going great. Well, plus it's gone a lot better

766
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 1: since then. But like, do you look over to the

767
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: undecked circle and you see pooholes over there? Um, yeah,

768
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 1: like my opening, my debut, I was too nervous to

769
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: even I didn't even know what was going on. Yeah,

770
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just was trying to throw somewhere

771
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: near the strikes on. Do we have a rivalry with

772
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:34,760
Speaker 1: the Padres? Is it official? Sure? Yeah? If that helps,

773
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 1: I mean, if that's if that's what we want to

774
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 1: call it. You know, the Padres are really good. They're

775
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 1: a great team, and I think it's gonna come down

776
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: to the wire in September, and you can't leave out

777
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 1: the Giants. The Giants are playing really well right now.

778
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 1: So between you know, us and those two teams, it's

779
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: gonna be it's gonna be a fun summer. And we've

780
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 1: got to work cut out for us for sure. I

781
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 1: think I have Tattis on the show next week. Any

782
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: message you'd like to send? Uh, no, oh, he's Uh.

783
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 1: If he wants to cool down, that'd be great. If

784
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 1: he wants to take you know, like a week off

785
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: or something, that'd be great when we play him. How

786
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 1: annoying is it having Matthew Stafford in La? Like? Have

787
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: you had enough of him? You tired of Stafford? Now?

788
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 1: I think everybody else is tired of hearing about us.

789
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: Huh did you know he went to high school together

790
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: and now and now he's in the same town with you. Oh. No,

791
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: I'm excited for him, though, I really am. I think

792
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: he's just uh, it's exactly you know. I texted him

793
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: after he got traded, and I just said, you know,

794
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,280
Speaker 1: I hope it's what you wanted, you know, because sometimes

795
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: when you get trade you don't really have a choice.

796
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 1: And um, but he was so fired up. He's so

797
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 1: excited to um get out there and get going, and

798
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: the Rams are gonna be a fun team to watch,

799
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: and so I'm excited to watch him. It's gonna be great.

800
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:55,919
Speaker 1: But he didn't stay at your house when he first

801
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 1: got out there, right, No, you know, I think he

802
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,959
Speaker 1: has has the means to find up. Yeah. Yeah, he's

803
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: my sneaky super Bowl or my sneaky MVP pick this year.

804
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 1: What do you think? Yeah, he's I just I really am.

805
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 1: I'm excited and he you know, he's got a lot

806
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 1: left in the tank and he really wants to win.

807
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 1: And I think it's a good pick. I think it's

808
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: a good pick. But do you get rid of all

809
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: your Lions gear? Uh? I didn't have too much Lions gear.

810
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: I had a hat, so yeah, I'll probably get rid

811
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: of the hat. You you had a hat as support? Well?

812
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: What did Stafford have of the Dodgers? What do you

813
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: want me to do? Where his jersey here? Yeah, I'm

814
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: not gonna wear his jersey around. I'll wear I'll wear

815
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,280
Speaker 1: a hat and support you guys went to high school together.

816
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: Now you sound like everybody else. Come on, you're ruining

817
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: the storyline. What's why do you play? I think I'm

818
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 1: probably doing the people a favor. Yeah you are. I

819
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: don't know what people are gonna be able to talk

820
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: to you about now that you know. Yeah, they're gonna

821
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 1: talk about the World Series. Are you know you turned

822
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: thirty three in March. Yeah, anything else is great, man.

823
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: I hope the family's well. It's always great to talk

824
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: to you. Thank you and play nice in Houston. Okay,

825
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 1: all right, thanks Dan, appreciate it. And that's Clayton Kershaw.

826
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan

827
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 1: Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific

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00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeart Radio app.